June 10, 2025 • 56 mins
TS Madison welcomes Drew Afualo to Outlaws—TikTok’s undisputed roast queen, New York Times best-selling author of "Loud" (the first Samoan woman to ever make that list—clock it!!!), Forbes 30 Under 30 Creator & Social Media cover star, and host of not one but two hit podcasts: "The Comment Section" and "Two Idiot Girls." After getting fired from the NFL, Drew picked up her phone and built a following 9 million strong, proving definitively that there is in fact an audience who, like her, absolutely does not f*ck with racism, homophobia, transphobia, or misogynistic men with egos as fragile as their hairlines—who would’ve thought?!
Together, Maddie and Drew are holding men’s nuts to the fire. They talk Samoan matriarchy, “meat checks,” TERFs, what it’s like to be told “you’re prettier in person,” and the Uber driver who remembered Drew's voice from the last time she was in his car and told a man to go f*ck himself. Also, they reflect on why they’ll never be “above” replying to hateful comments, no matter how high the star soars. Drew gives Maddie her flowers, and Maddie is certain she’s just met her long-lost twin. Hold up—have you started the episode yet?? What are you waiting for?! It’s time for an hour of loud, live, and in color SISTERHOOD.
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes
bud no wait, no winds. When your in bed bed
bed bue yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick horeys
he chasing it. I'm black like that. He sbout living
(00:37):
its color easy. This is Outlaws but gs madicine.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh my god, are we recording?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Honey? Is it? Or is it? Or is this thing recording?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is your girl.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Ts Medisine comeing to you loud living always. I'm aware
of in color from the Outlaws of the podcast with
none other than this bitch called ts Medisine. I think
I think I had this myself twice.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I think it's two of me inside.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was gonna I was literally gonna be like perfect
email that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Now I want to know how to how do I
properly pronounce your last name.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Off Wallow, off wallow, so it's like off wallow, I swallow,
there you go it is.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yes. Well, you see, I always find someone that is
a kindred spirit to the t s and I want
to talk about that you love somewhere dirtily in in
the process of our show. But I love the way
that we got off on two good feet. And I
(01:38):
love the fact that this microphone is on my tit
it is. It's like, really, oh, there it is. It's
up now, and we're about to really get into some things.
So the premise of my show is that it's the
Outlaws and you are a very very big person on
the I am, yes, fortunately, I know it's there's never
(01:58):
is There's never anything on watuningate about being big somewhere
that's true. Take it from me. I used to go
by another name, honey before I was baptized, period, and
so I would have one of those if I didn't
have the other name I used to go by. So
(02:22):
we're here and here on this show because the people
that come here make statements not just in their own
boss in the world. And sometimes you know, we get
labeled as like the outcasts, the outlaws totally. But one
thing about it, We're always wanted, period, all the time
(02:43):
and special. I think it's because we are blessed to
be I think God gives us a certain type of light,
I agree, and to stand out, to stand out because
we're just not going to fit in. It's just never
fitting in to anything. Yeah, And so I wanted to
show to be about celebrating people who are outlaws. I
(03:07):
want to celebrating people who are outspoken, who are loud,
loving in color, like myself, because I've been navigating this
social media thing and this U media thing for a
long time. Like I'm here, legendary, legend. I know that
all about you, I want to say. Sometimes I sit
back and I think to myself, like, girl, wait a minute,
(03:29):
you're forty You'll be forty eight this year. You look good, girl,
Thank you, you look so good. It's called Burd's c's
and ointment. I remember forty eight this year, and I
remember my first video going viral when I was twenty something.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, te period, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And then it's just like, well, you're gonna be forty
eight and one of your first videos went round when
you were twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Something, and you're still and you're still still period. You're
so period. You love that about it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So that's why we did this Outlaws show because you'll
never you'll never be able to erase the light that
God put into us. And then now listen, those were
my opening remarks.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
There's a segment on my show it's called talk your Ship. Okay, period,
now it's time for you to talk your ship. In
this segment, you tell us who you are, what you do,
what you're proud of. This is your time to shine,
and I don't want you to hold back. I did
the white the white girl, Ay, bitch. I want you
(04:39):
to tell those motherfucking people out there, tell them your name,
who you is, how many followers you fucking got, how
much impact you make on social media, that you are
who you are. And I don't want you to have
any reservations about bragging or who you are, what you've accomplished,
you know, because the people will tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You know, we gotta be humble.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You gotta me humble, sit down, be humble. We ain't
we ain't humbled on we always wanted Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Period.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I want you to look into that camera and I
want you to talk your shit. I want you to
tell me about your accolades. I'm going to tell me
about your the followers you got, I want me to
tell you. I just want you to run it down.
So to those girls, I this is gonna watch the show.
I want to be like that'd be saying all.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That that business is why I'm I agree my name. Yeah.
One thing you don't got to do is beg me
to talk about myself. Girl, We'll talk about myself.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's what. That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's it, that's what you need.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
My name is and then go for it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, my name is Drew Ifallo. I am twenty nine
years old. I'm gonna be thirty this year. Look at me, baby,
And I can't wait to be thirty because then I
can say, oh, I'm only thirty, but now that I'm
twenty nine, I'm old in twenties. Anyways. So I joined
TikTok four ish years ago at this point after I
got fired when I was working at the NFL. I
(05:58):
got who was working at the NFL got fired two
weeks later COVID hit. Then I started. My man encouraged
me to start posting on TikTok. So I started posting
at first telling stories, but then it turned into kind
of like me just attacking the worst men on planet
fucking Earth. I literally I go in and antagonize them
on purpose, like I swing on them when their backs
(06:18):
are turned, and then they'd always try to respond and
it never works because they're broke and ugly. So you
know that doesn't lend towards intellect normally. So I basically
I've been fucking up men online for years and it
grew me this very large following on TikTok. On TikTok,
I have eight point two mil. On Instagram, I have
one point three mil. I have a comment section show,
(06:41):
which is with Spotify and Spotify Exclusive. My show got
bought with after only filming I think like twelve to
fourteen episodes. I wasn't even in season two yet before
I got bought Clock That. And then on top of that,
I've written a book New York Times bestseller, Clock That
Clock two weeks on the list. And also I'm the
first one woman ever to make that list, so fucking period. Wow.
(07:04):
And then no what else. I have a bunch of
other shit going on now. But now I'm just kind
of chilling where I'm at, trying to catch up to you. Girl.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Girl listen, I'm over here, like honey, I like a
good first time, but you just ran it down. What
I appreciate about you is that you came out and
you just blurted just how you feel. And I don't
think people really understand about authentically being yourself, right Yeah,
people think like, well, you know, and people are learning
(07:33):
this now because I've been seeing a lot of girls
who've been on TV and all this stuff, and then
now they got to try to figure out this place,
you know, where to go because they don't have any
connections because we've only seen them as a character. When
people fall in love with us, they fall in love
with the real raw who we are, you know. And
then we started getting TV deals and all the other Yeah,
(07:55):
the reverse way. And it's like the TV girls over
there liked to show my real right, right, because they
may not like me and we have no choice.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We don't know who you are with.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you play the character.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I agree. And also women like us don't have the
choice really most times, like they won't let us in
base even if we fake everything. So I've even said,
like when I did an interview with Forbes, I said,
you cocked that clock that too. I was on the
cover of Forbes for the thirty under thirty creators. She
period copped it. When I did an interview with them.
(08:30):
I was talking about how when I first grew my platform,
I wasn't getting signed by anybody, and I was growing
like one hundred thousand followers every day, and it's literally
because of what I look like and how I talk.
So it's like the agencies were saying it was hard
to market me, like there was no way, there's no
way we're gonna get her brand deals. There's no way
we're gonna do any of that because she's too loud
and aggressive and mean. And honestly, what I've said before
(08:54):
is period. What I've said before is like I just
got too big to ignore. It wasn't that they just
suddenly were like, wait, actually I think she has something
I got too big to ignore. Yeah, So sometimes we
have to force them to look at us.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's like you, you don't want to let us through
the door, so we'll stand outside. Exactly, We'll stand outside
and then we'll scream so loud that the.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Walls will fall in, and they have no choice. But
they have no choice, And it's because we have no
choice but to be ourselves, like we don't have we
don't have that kind of assimilation in us anymore. At
certain points, I feel like I feel like as soon
as I unpacked a lot of my internalized like biases,
whether it's like internalized racism, transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, all of that,
(09:34):
I realized that I have no I want to be
seen as who I am. Yes, I don't want to
be seen as what I'm pretending to be so I
can fit in. And we're big loud bitches.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes, no choice. And that's the thing. Like, And they've
always tried to make this a comment like I've tried
to sell so many different TV shows or whatever. Some
get got some don't. But it's always where are we
going to place you? We don't, you know, Madison. And
then you'll see them take fragments of you and put
(10:05):
them into some skiindy bitch and then they're saying the
show don't work.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, it's crazy. You'll build something like I've done it
in this industry where I've been hired to do something,
they've never done it before. I've done it. It's succeeded
really well. They took it from me, give it to
a white girl. Yeah, yeah, it's happened many times. I'm
sure it's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I see so many people out there allowed laughing in color.
I'm like, honey, it's not gonna work because you've taken
you've taken the formula and replaced it in something that
it doesn't fit.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And they don't have the sauce.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
R ain't no shoe got the song, I got the.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sauce, and you could tell it's been authentic to them.
I've heard that too on TikTok, Like there have been
many times where women are like, I make fun of
men too, and how come she has those things and
I don't. And I was like, I'm not the first
bitch to make fun of men, Believe it or not,
I'm not the first person alive to ever do that,
especially not women. I said, you want to know what
the secret is. It's me, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
That's me, honey, that's it, just that fun. I'm just
that special. I'm just that motherfucker special. The light was
put through me.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah. And I always say like, you're too busy looking
to your left and and you're right, that's why you
never finished first.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I don't have that problem. I focused forward me too.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And here's the thing, like people, I've never been lab
not vulnerable enough to even you know me. You've just
seen me for years. I would get online. My wig
could be laying right there on the floor.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It don't matter either toilet.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, listen, I was. I was on my show the
other day drinking alcohol, and the got so drunk and
the chair fell over. One point two one point five
almost two million views of that of me saying, oh ship,
you know, I didn't try. I didn't that was a stage.
It was just and I got up and started eating
a salad.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know. But it's just it's the fact that you're authentic.
It's it's okay, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I don't know
if you get this. I get this all the time
when I'm in public. If if fans come up to me,
almost always they go, man, you're way prettier in person. Yes, pause,
what I supposed to say? What the fuck do I
look like? You know, it's like, oh, you're not even
(12:10):
that big. I get that one too. I get that
one too. I've gotten them before. They're like, I don't
know why people call you fat. You're not fat at all.
Like even if I was witch, fuck you, I know
you're gonna let.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Me be fat?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why to comment on the damn you know?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And so like I got this series where I'm just
on my social media, I got out you're not allowed.
You're not allowed. So they tell you as a star,
(12:49):
Oh you're supposed to be too big, you're too big
to respond to the comments. No, I'm not and I
never will be one never will be. No, No, I'm
not above it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Me too. No, I've gotten that from people that I
fuck up. Still, They're like, I can't believe you're making
time to do Oh baby, I got nothing but what
you're talking about. I'm at home.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
This is what I do.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was like, that's kind of my thing. I'm waiting
for you to wander in here so I can s
I'm actually missing the problems.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Like, damn, ain't nobody. Don't nobody want to get roasted today?
Nobody wants to get.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Roasted I know honestly. At one point, I was like,
I did too good of a job. I cleaned up
the streets too good. Listen with me now, but listen.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But you get those ones that wander a day scared,
And he'd be like, Okay, I like you. I like you, bitch,
you am scared. I'm just gonna give you something. My friend,
bodyguard and everything else that he's been labeled to me.
Sitting over there, he says, you're a toxic person.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm like TRD that too, I'm not toxic.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
At all, Because he says the way I devoured ben
up like men, Oh, I would devour being up me too,
And I know that I'm willing y'all to have a
big dick, and so I all you me both, and
so I tell men immediately, honey, listen, are you doing
all that talking? You call it me fat at all? This?
Let's meet check? How about we meet check? Girl? How
(14:11):
about that? Let's meet saying that, let's meet check. Let's
stand up and see who's real. Let's measure it for real, girl.
You know you're not beating me in the purse apartment.
Let's do this, you know. And it's always the one
that sneak in that like to slide in and and
(14:35):
be like and you're like where this will come from?
And it's gotten so good now that he alerts me
like you see such and such, gotta get it now now.
Now here's where the Here's where I get a lot
of flat and so damn we all we don't we ship,
We always we don't get an origin?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Can we just go yeah? Whatever? Show.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Here's where I get to the the part where it's like, okay,
you get these labels on you because I'm sure you,
I'm sure, yeah, you've gotten labeled like you hate men.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, absolutely, you you I'm perpetuating the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So I get this thing a lot where they say
or tears massive doesn't like black women. I'm like, you are,
I'm a black woman, but you don't want me to
check these black women who so now they have the
they can come in with the unmitigated golf and stand
(15:37):
outside when I'm posting a nice picture of me rubbing
through my hair. You're a man, you'll never have kids,
You're ugly, You're It's like, wait a minute. You gathered
all this because I just posted a picture of me
doing this. You got Oh that's what you wanted to
come do. No real, So now I'm going to gather you.
I'm going to gather your house, your kids, I'm going
(15:59):
to gather everything.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We're gonna gather.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Let let's just get.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Let me get. Let's because I get what you mean,
because I've had that issue with women, like there are
women who don't like me too. It's it pales and
compares soon. I'm sure yours is the same like white cis.
Straight men are my biggest perpetrators, but there are obviously
other facets of people, other identities that don't like me.
As well for various reasons, but they're always centered and
(16:22):
centered in the same which is you hate men Like
I've had women say like, why don't you just talk
to them? Why don't you Has that ever fucking worked?
Have you ever talked to a hateful person and been like,
please don't do that and they listen to you? Right right?
I said, well, see, if you want to do that,
I respect your right to do that, because that's the
kind of the whole fucking point of intersexual feminism is
(16:43):
like women's autonomy. It's your ability to do and live
your life however you want. So if you want to
go and hold their hand when they call you a
slur by all means I'm gonna fuck them up. But
that's just my method. You do whatever you want, queen,
I don't care you're not. That's on you.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And then and then some of those women will jump out,
I'm sure you get this too. Oh you you never
have that save energy for me? I'm like, have you
googled me? They're not familiar with that, FID. That's the
first time I've ever stood. I stood on a motherfucking
man's neck. What are you talking about? It's the first
fight I did, and you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
The first fight I've ever been in fact, the only
fights I've ever been in have been with full grown men,
really like actual fights. I've only ever thought with men literally,
never women. Women is just yelling and talking shit. The
few times I've been physical with someone has all been men,
men physically, my very It's so funny. We were talking
(17:40):
about this because this morning I was telling my my
cousin the story. But I was telling it the very
first fight I ever gone in was because a kid
at school grew up to my sister and she was crying.
And my sister's the first person I ever defended from bullies.
Like I hate bullies, I don't hate men. I hate
men too.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hello. I mean, if you ever spect time with one,
you fucking hate them too. That's why I'm like, hey,
you know what a little bit, a little bit, it's okay.
We can say it's fine, it'll be fine. You know
there are times that I really be there again, yeah,
when it's earned.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Remember, uh, he groped my sister. I was very upset
about it, and I went and I fucked him up
on purpose. And then I got pulled off him, and
then I was telling him I'm going to kill you,
and I kept saying, I'm going to come to your
house and I'm going to kill you. That's the only
thing I kept responding. When I got home as I
got in trouble from the school, but my mom was like,
I'm proud of you for sending up for your sister.
Little tip though, don't tell people you are going to
(18:35):
kill them. That's a crime. And I was like, right, noted,
got it. But my first time I ever put hands
on someone was literally a man because he assaulted my sister.
So I have seen many many times men do awful
fucking shit like that, and sometimes the only thing they
respond to is violence, whether it's physical or verbal, emotional.
And we happen to be good at all three. Yes,
(18:55):
So there you go, that's their fault. And to piggybit
off of what you just said.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I learned how to fight from defending my girlfriends from
their boyfriends, yeah, jumping on their So first I knew
how to swing because from fighting a man. So when
they're like, oh, you don't have the same energy for
men from day one, far.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
More than you, it's for you so it's really here.
It's really upsetting too when it's like women or people
that you care about that you're trying to defend and
they a lot of times I feel like that's where
I have empathy for them, because I'm like, you're so
lost in that sauce that you can't see past it.
I'm praying for you. I can't wait for you, though.
(19:40):
It's like white women voting for Trump exactly, It's like
I can't You're voting against your own interest. There's nothing
I can do to save you. I got to protect
everybody else. Yeah, Like, I'm not worried about you. You
made your choice. And I said, and I got the
same shit from women recently when I was defending trans
women from turfs. Yeah, because I fucking hate turfs, Yes,
and they kind of undermined the entire fucking point of
(20:01):
feminism as a fucking whole. Turfs, I've gotten fucking ship
from them. And also Trump supporting women, like because I
made a video literally saying I fucking hate him. I
hate him, and if you voted for him, I hate
you too. I like explicitly said that in a video
that did really well on TikTok and I had so
many white women mostly messaging me saying like, oh, I
(20:24):
don't understand why we can't have different pause me of
all people, Yeah, don't fucking follow me. Like they're like,
you don't want our support. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't need it. I don't want it. Don't fucking
give it to me. I don't follow me, unfollow me,
block me, don't spend such money on ship I sell. Yeah,
I don't give a fuck. Like and I'm and that's
the thing about you and I is like we're fucking
about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm with the ships, bitch, Yeah
for real. But I tell you I hate him. I
hate him.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I'm I'm putting them and somebody, Oh my god, we
so kidd Yeah it's and we're not we're unwilling to
like hide that part of us because it's like bitsch Listen,
if you went down there to the polls and you
pressed anything, if you thought like, oh, well, he's going
to bring down eggs, and you didn't hear all the
rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Nothing else registered nothing, So you didn't hear anything else.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But he's going to bring down eggs. You didn't hear
them running on this on the stupid fact that like
trans people are in the public enemy number one and
it's like, how.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Less than one percent of the population. Sure, And I was, like,
less than one percent of the poplar. That's why the
turf thing was really upsetting to me, because they're like,
I thought, you fought for women.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I fight for all women. You fight for white women. Yeah,
even if you, even if you are you yourself are
not a white woman, if you're a fucking turf, yes,
you're only fighting for white women.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Girl fighting their battle, girls, sister. Listen. Yesterday the other day,
I was on YouTube and I was talking and I said,
and women got offended. I said, dark skinned women, if
you're dark skinned, you gotta cheer with the transphobia, Yeah,
because you're first and lie, big women. If you with
(22:04):
the trans phobia and you're a bigger woman.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're also gonna be subject.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You gotta stop, you gotta chill.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's gonna hurt all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's gonna swing on your ass too.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And I'm and I'm a big bitch too. That's why
I was like, I have been called a man many times, yes,
many times before this too. I've I've been called, I've
been accused. It's all of that. That's why I said
all of our all of our oppression is tied together together.
It's all tied together. So it's it's very upsetting to
me when women of color are turfs too, because I'm
always like, you don't understand this is gonna hit us first.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm like, bro, and it with with with with emphasis
about you you grow Yeah, yes, exactly know. I don't
give a fuck how being a fat and with your
pussy gets. I don't give a fuck about how being
fat and what your pussy gets. Well, they're not even
gonna get that for her. If you are a darker
woman and you have bigger features.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You're you're just not euro centric, eurocentric bitch, you are
in danger. Yeah we are? Also does add to that?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
O don't? That doesn't in fate me?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It does? It does? It always? If you're not phenotypically
European in any way, shape or form, you are subject
to it. And like as a I'm Polynesian, I'm some one.
So like I'm six feet tall, I'm a big bitch.
I'm tall. I've always been big, I've been thicker than most.
I'm strong, I have more muscle than most women. Like
it's all it's all a ruse, like this hunt, this
witch hunt for trans people, it's all a ruse to
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distract you from what the fuck they're actually doing. And
it's like this sounds so fucking lame, but like it's
like in Wicked when he goes sometimes you need to
give them an enemy. You need to give them one
person to focus on. Otherwise there's no unity, yes, which
is fucking true. So they're they're picking the most vulnerable.
Like I've even said, transmen are the most vulnerable amongst us,
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especially black trans women are the most vulnerable amongst Women's
subject to violence. And I even when I was fighting terrists,
I was fighting, oh, fighting them, and this is what
I said. I said, if you're a turf still and
it's twenty twenty five, you're as tanks. That's what I said.
I said, you're askings, you have shit in your butt,
You're a loser, nobody likes you. That's what I said.
Even when I've said it, they're like the way I've
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described it, They're like, that's all I said. That's not
even close to me. And I could be way meaner
than that.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well, i'll help you. That's actually you're a pussy stating
all of it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You're pussy nasty, disgusting, you're gross. Nobody likes you. And
I've said that and I and I literally was like,
I'll die by the dolls. You guys are fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But also I was like, I actually know and love
trans people in real life. Even if I didn't, though
i'd be saying the same shit. But I actually know
and love them in real life. That's why, turfs. I'm like,
you've never met or spent time with or loved a transperson,
you can tell, Yeah, you can fucking tell. And if
you have met one, you didn't know. Yeah, And now
all of a sudden, you're a fucking expert. And the
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whole thing was around like a women's only gym, and
this woman was marketing it as like, oh, it's for
all women, including trans women. Then she got her fucking
little bag. Then she was like, actually I changed my mind. Yes,
So that's who I was talking. Oh, that's what you're
talking about, look at.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Us.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I did the same, That's who I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Was talking about, and it's just dark skin. And I
was saying, and I was, I mean, you probably would
a little bit more harder than me and I and
I try my best, but I'm getting to a point
where it's it's like, fuck it, you've already labeled me
whatever you labeled. I try my best not to get
in that ring because it's it's like it's like because
they're not you're not gonna beat me anyway, girl, not
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just because I was born male, but because you're not
fast enough, right exactly. It's like I said, ma'am, I
understand that, you know, you think that you're doing something here,
but you're dark skinned, and that's not a bad thing
to be dark skinned. No, no, no no, but you
gotta understand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That plays out, how that works, how it plays out,
it's not well. And also I'm just like, what are
you doing? Push checks at the door, like I want
to see you're fucking weird. This is a fascist.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Hold on, I'm gonna play Devil's Avoca. I'm a libra.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm a libra, and I like the balance. I love libras.
I like to my man's a libra. I'm a vergo.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh oh, y'all have really great sex. So let me,
let me, let me try to be Devil's advocate here,
not for them, but just because I've gotten in trouble
because I don't listen. When I fry, if your meat,
you just get fried. And that means if you're SIS, meet,
if you're trans meet, if you're none by their meat,
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if you're what I fry you. You said you're an
equal opportunity, you meet, you get friedel you know, I
get what you mean. So, sister, I was on a
podcast talking about some political ship and like how and
I had been saying bio biological biology, and I fucked
up and said cis because because that's what it is,
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the women. And it's usually like she says women, she's
she's a CIS gender woman. Yes, it's okay. Usually this
you know, she's using the term, and I'm like, and
you get nervous. But because I'm like, oh my god,
I just don't want to hear it. It's just because
it's just like and he they start on me. But
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but my girlfriend told me, she said, massive, they're going
to be transphobic regardless, regardless if you use this, regardless
if you use.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That, it's actually so true, they're gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
They're going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, they've made up their mind. Even when I recently,
when I was defending trans women, they started calling me
a man in there, like women were going like, oh, well,
you must have a lot in common because you're also
a man.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Is that the best?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You garbage like calling me a man.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Here's the gag.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You couldn't be a wall without the man. Let them
bitches know, you couldn't be a wall without the man.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I was like, and what if I took your man?
Then what right?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Don't don't tell me, don't I.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Took your man?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He sucked my dig then what for the back? And honestly,
I just remembered in that video, the last thing I
said was you guys can suck my dick, and then
I said, actually suck it from the back because I
don't want to look at you. That's what made them
really mad, now that I'm remembering me going, oh, I said,
I was, you're asking, that's actually not all that was
the last thing I said.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, so that's your villain era. I'm constantly in it
for me too, And we don't even try to do it,
you know, we just we just try to, you know,
make statements.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's like like like, well, and it's like it's it. Unfortunately,
it's one of those things where our lives are inherently political.
We have no choice but to live that way. And
then when you try to have these conversations, especially with
people who are like trying to learn. I even did
an interview once with a white woman and she was like,
she was really nice, but it was very clear to
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me that it was almost like she had just found
out about a lot of stuff. It felt like, you
know how sometimes white people they get hit to the
game real late and then they're like, did you guys
know that racism is everywhere? You're like, I'm like, oh,
someone called the church elders. Wait a minute, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You just found out that that is sugar on frosted flakes.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's like, oh, it's like, did you guys know that
they don't like immigrants here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I did.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I actually I've actually known that about that for a while.
I can't believe you didn't know. It's all right. And
these women are like older than me too at the time,
so I remember when they were talking to me. It
was very frustrating to me because and I probably felt
similarly to the way that you were describing how you
felt on a podcast once, because it feels like it
feels like I'm having a conversation with someone who just
learned yesterday that people that don't look like them live
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a harder life. And it's really hard for me because
I don't have a lot of empathy for people like that,
because I'm like, you're a hundred what do you fucking
mean you just found out? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Why do I have more information than you? You You've
been on this earth lost Jesus Christ himself and you
don't know that shit.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like it's it gets really frustrating for me too. And
then I feel like you do where I have to,
like I have to kind of tamper myself down, meet
them where they're at, then kind of gas them up
a little bit and then we can have a conversation.
Okay exactly. Yeah, and it feels exhausting. Well you know, yeah,
it's like, no, I know you guys are doing a lot.
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I know, I trust me. I know white women are
really trying to hurt it to validate you.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah you are, But then you go down and you
vote for Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right, and then it's like like even sometimes like I've
had women say like, yeah, you know, like I have
women who I see all the time and they're so
they're like, oh, I'm not homophobic, I'm not transphobic, but
they voted for Trump. And I was like, well, first
of all, you still spend time with those women. I don't.
I don't spend time with people who vote differently than me.
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I don't ever surround myself with people like that. So
that's one thing I can't relate to white people about
yet all that'll make space for people like that all
the time, not me. And then when she says that,
I like explained to her, I was like, I think
that sometimes people think that homophobia, transphobia, racism, whatever is
like just slurs. And they're like, well, I don't say
the slurs, so I must not be homophobic. That's actually
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not how that works at all, not even a little.
And the fact that you still think that in your
one hundred is concerning to me. And then but I'm like,
I mean, I'm glad you're not voting for Trump. I'm
grateful for that, but there's a lot of other work
that you should be digging in. You should be working on. Yeah,
And since women are victims of that too, yes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Very much. So like you shouldn't want to be subservient
to your husband, right, do you not understand that women
just got their rights to vote?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right, That's what I mean, And especially with white women too,
because it's like, actually, my man explained this to me
when we were first dating, like years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Which which we're going to get into because as much
as she hates men, she's engaged.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
A damn right clock that too. And he explained oppression
to me and how people view it as like a classroom,
as like an example, So at the very front of
the classroom is cysgendered, heterosexual white men, and they don't
think oppression exists because there's something in front of them,
or like I'm at the front of the class it's fine,
it's awesome. What are you guys talking about? It streight
up here? As you go back each line, it's each
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intersection of oppression puts them further behind, so they can
see all the people in front of them, who are
actively ahead of them being treated better than them at
the very very back of the classroom as black trans women.
So it's like that's the easiest way I've found to
explain oppression to people who don't understand, because when they
say things like well, I don't say I feel like
I'm being persecuted for being white. If I hear that
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one more goddamn timas word of God. But I'm like,
you don't understand how oppression works. You don't understand intersectionality, right,
So when I explain it to them in the classroom way,
they're like, oh, so, obviously black trans women no more
than anybody how oppression works, because they're at the very
very bottom of the totem pole when it comes to
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stuff like that. So that means that even though I have,
I have privileges too that other people further oppressed than
me don't have. So it's like it's your job, as
like I think someone who cares about others to turn
and look back, yeah, and see who's behind you, and
see who needs help and see why they're being held back.
And that's kind of the whole fucking point of intersectional
activism as a whole. And I feel like people like
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yourself who have been making you're such a trailbazer in
so many ways, but you're also known for being your
personality as well. So when people like get really hung
up on the way you're trying to have these conversations.
They're not focusing on what it is you're trying to
talk about. They're focusing on these.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Like buzz fields.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, and it's like buzzwords, like things that make them
feel certain things, which is not a bad thing. But
it's like, let's remember who's on our side and who's not. Yes, Like,
let's remember the context and intention is important, and the
intention of the conversation is just as important as the
conversation itself. So you're trying to have them in good faith.
It's not a bad thing that you want to have
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And when I sit around and I talk about this
with my friends that are straight gay, you know, especially
my straight friends that I'm weird tied like this, and
I say to them him, I say, you gotta understand
that you know you're black, you're a black man. Again.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I'm behind you, yeah, absolutely, and not just behind you.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We may not agree on everything, but I'm also protecting
you too, yeah, exactly. And you can't turn around and
do that for me, exactly. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's one of those things where it's like you're one
person's oppression doesn't pull from another. Yeah, we're all being oppressed, Like,
isn't that the whole fucking point? But isn't that the
whole point? The point is that this is not okay,
it's not fair. It's not and it's not I've told
SIS women this. I'm like, just because you cut out
trans women, it doesn't mean you cut in the line
to equality. You're not going to get there faster just
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because you cut out transmit. That's not how it fucking works,
Believe it or not. They can't tell the difference. Most
sis awful transphobic men cannot tell the difference at all.
They group us all together, they lump us all together.
So it's like, it works against your best interests and
mind for us to squabble amongst ourselves, so we're not
supposed to be doing that. It doesn't move anybody forward,
it doesn't advance us, it just continues. Honestly, while we
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do this, they get further ahead than us. Like, yeah,
they go further ahead than us. And I know what
you mean too. It's like, it's not fair to think that,
like one person's pain is more valid than another's.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's and it's not realistic. In the world that we
live in. Also the fact that you were saying too
that you're so happy to be the age you are.
You have so much wisdom about you, like you've seen
the world in many different shades and colors for so long.
So it's almost like you have to listen to what
they say and their experiences. It's important. Experiences are valid
and important.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You know what hurts me the most, and I know
you you as a woman, well, we don't get hurt much,
but you know when we do.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
What hurts me the most is to see my own Yeah,
I get that, my own I I fussed fight a lot,
and I expect white people to do whatever right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I expect that like that too.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm not shocked when they.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Do it me too.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It hurts more when it's when it looks like you.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You're so me. Yeah, I agree. It's when the people
that you fight for and walk alongside you're like you
two girls like the fun. I think that about women,
especially women of color, when they when they get pissed
off at me or they're ho misogynistic or transphobic or homophobic,
I'm always like, I'm fighting for you, bitch, and it
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will do it for you too. But I'll still run
you over with my car. But that don't mean but
that's what I'm fighting for, the right to run you around.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
But that won't mean I won't come back. I won't
send somebody to take you to the hospital. Girl. I
thought I'll run you over over my car, bitch. But
we're gonna get to the finish line.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You know we're coming. You'll you'll don't worry. You'll get there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
But it's just like it's that's where it hurts the most,
and you didn't trying to explain that. It's like how
you don't fucking get it.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I know I've had that issue with women when the
few times I've had to call out women, I don't.
I don't ever make fun of women the same way
I make fun of men. But I have called out
women before for being awful and being bigoted towards me
and others. And the amount of times I've had women
message me and be like, I thought you fought for women.
I thought you never made fun of women. That's not
what I said. I like you said, I'm an equal opportunity.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Right. If your meat, everybody's catching it. If your meat,
I'll fry you. That's just how it washed me. If
it's and I'm from the South, we fry every fucking thing.
We fly pickles, we fried chicken, we fry fish. Bitch,
if your meat, if I can batter you up right,
I'm gonna fry you if anything. That's the most affirming
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thing I could do for you. Just treat you just
like just like everybody fucking out beat your ass, just
like everybody up. Bitch, I don't listen. I don't care
what your color is or what I will fry you
your meat. I will fry you exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I'm the same way. So I've had to explain to them.
I was like, that doesn't just because I don't fuck
you up the same way I fuck the man does
not mean I'm not gonna hold you accountable for shit.
What about me has ever led you to believe that
I like to keep my mouth show when people are disrespectful.
When you come and disrespect me, you get disrespected. That's
what fucking happens.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
My disrespect varies. But that's just because I'm older now
and I've learned a little bit more and I have
more fun fucking up men. So that's that's a joy
thing for me. That kindles joy for me.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So what did it? What did that derive from?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like why I hate them?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Hey men?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes? What did it derive from?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I honestly don't know. I feel like in the beginning,
when I first started blowing up and I would do interviews,
they would ask me like, if I've ever been like
severely wronged by a man, which, like, obviously I've been
treated like shit by men. I think that's a right
of passage, especially if you date mend Yeah, So I
was like, that's like a universal understanding for us. But
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I was like, I've never had anything though. That was like,
now I'm going to be mean to them, like a villain.
I just like They've just always irritated the fuck out
of me. And I think part of that is like
just my inane like confidence, Like I've had this borderline
delusional confidence since I could like formulate thoughts, and so
I've always thought I was just better than men. So
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I was like, and in my house, like in in
someone culture, at its very root, it's matriarchal, So we
hold women in very high regard in my culture, and
then women have very very prominent roles in the family.
They they're decision makers, right, they in government all that stuff,
especially prior to being colonized, and so like my house
was no exception to that. My dad, my mom was
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the breadwinner the majority of my life and my dad,
my dad's dream was to be a stay at home dad.
Like my dad's dream was to be at home. Like
he was like, I want to be at home with
the kids, and I want to take care of them.
And in Simon culture, men do all the cooking and cleaning,
and women take care of children and the elderly. Like
that was kind of how our roles were kind of dispersed.
But also there was never a gender binary in my
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culture either. There was more than two genders for hundreds
of thousands of years, right, So, like that's just kind
of how I was raised. I was raised that women
are strong and powerful and deserve respect. Like that's just
kind of how I've always seen women, and that's how
I've always seen my mom, I've aways seen the women
in my family. So when I hit puberty and moved
out into the world, like when I saw home men
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were treating women, I was like, oh this shit, it's
not gonna fly with me. Yeah, oh, this doesn't work
in my house, doesn't work for me. Yeah, no, So
I think that's just kind of where it started. And
then as I started interacting with men, I was like, oh,
you guys are awful. But I've never felt that way
about women. I've always like, in fact, I thought I
was gay for a while because I was like, maybe,
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I like, if you like women that I more than
I think. Turns out it's not, that's not the case.
But I just really love women. I've just always loved
women and felt community with women, and I've always thought
women are just the most powerful, beautiful, amazing people.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, it's the same for me. But I'm just I'm
not sexually attracted to women neither. I just I find
that I've always felt like a I've actually always felt
connected to both.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Really love that I've always though that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's why I haven't had an operation. And it was
not because I, you know, I just don't want to pussy.
But that's fair, you know, I just because I don't think,
I don't I don't needed to do what I do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, And so.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know, I love being but I hold men's nuts
to the fire. Me too.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's a great way to describe mine.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Hold them their nuts to the fire, like sir, stop,
like like you really, like, let me point out to
where you're wrong in this situation, like where this stuff happens.
You know, how did you find your husbandon.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
We actually went to high school together. That's not we're
not high school sweethearts though, but that's how we met
was in high school. We're friends in high school, and
then we started dating after I graduated from college. So
kind of a boring story but not it's boring, but
I the.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Way you dissect me, and that's just like people wouldn't
even think that you be in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And then when they see what he looks like, they're like,
and he's very handsome, they're like, god, fuck, I know.
They're always like, I bet she's single. Wrong, I bet
he's ugly wrong, I bet he's I bet he's short exactly.
That's also wrong, and I'm sorry to say that's also
very wrong. But I made this joke to latrees Y
(43:24):
I love her the other day because one of my
girlfriends she was we were fucked up together like a
couple a year ago last year, and we're chatting and
then she was like, I gotta ask you something. I
was like, sure, she's never asked me anything like this,
and if she's known me for years, she's like, Oh,
it's really good, isn't it talking about my man? And
then I go, I mean seven years?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
No ring?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What do you think? Now? I have a ring? So
it's period. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But how does he feel about your content?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
He loves it? He actually and I laugh all the
time because I'm like, he encouraged me to on TikTok.
I don't think he. I don't think he could have
ever known that it would have turned into what it was.
But like when it started turning into that, he honestly
sometimes would tell me. He's like, I think you could
have been meaner, And I was like, damn you think.
I'm like, well, first of all, I didn't ask for notes,
but appreciate it. And then second of all, sure, I
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was like I can be meaner? Sure?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Why not? Does it turn him on?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
He loves it? He loves He's one of those guys
that like he well, first of all, he got tall
and handsome in high school, like pretty early on, so
like he was arrogant in high school immature. I was too,
I'm sure to an extent. But he always really liked that.
I was like, fuck you just about everything. And it's
because he was so handsome and charming. He could he
never struggled for like female attention like women women put
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there pussy in the wind when that bitch walks around.
Oh girl, I'm always like, he's not that impressive, I promise, ah,
But he loved that about me. I think he really
liked you know, I think the female version of me period.
I'm a twin, we're twin.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I truly believe that. I admit the the version. I
love that. I just me too, because it's right, you've
met the transversion because I'm do you City of Santa Thui.
There's just like this stuff that they'd be going up
about me.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Oh he's so like okay, yeah, fuck him, dud.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And I've said before I feel like my my group
of girlfriends in college were so pivotal to my development too,
as like unpacking like my internalized misogyny, like getting rid
of that. Because when I was in college, I had
never met like women before that were so sexually free.
I'd never met women like that in my life, like
obviously in high school, like women are being sexually active whatever,
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But like these women my friend my best friends from
college and they're still my friends to this day. They
literally would be like I think I'm gonna go fuck
him and see how it is. Yeah, I'll be back,
and I'd be like all right, and then I would
check in with them and they'd be like, it's not
that good. Yeah. And one of my friends was like,
I remember one of my girlfriends in college. She was like,
I haven't had sex in my and I need to
do it. And I think I'm going to pick a
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guy in my philosophy class. And I was like, why
that one. She goes, ah, they're not as annoying as
like the other classes. Then she told me all about
it and she goes, Okay, well I got my nuts,
so I'm good. I don't need to talk to him anymore.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I never met women like that in my life that
were so confident and stuff like that, and the and
they're dating and their sexual history and like just how
they like to enjoy life.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You didn't know that. That's like, that's how that. Men
used to say that they could clock me, really girl,
because I used to be like, I don't got to
have for us. Let me see it.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, now I know why they're telling me that all
the time.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I don't have. I don't have let me see it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
How is that clocking? I was doomen?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Women women aren't that they don't women don't go after
or they're not.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, no pieces are coming.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, because basically like what I've got to He said,
that's how I knew you were. That's that's how I
knew you were a man. What I knew you were
a man because you were so aggrets you were you
were you went straight for girl. You're like, and I'm
I'm like, sir, first of all, okay, I'm not a man. Yeah,
I was born male, but I'm not a man. I
(47:08):
am a transsexual's transiender nap was a bitch, I'm a
trans mm and I don't have time to be going
through all of this. We well we fucking are not.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You're like still a lot of this ship it out? This?
Speaker 1 (47:21):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh? Should I do mine? Let's see? Like what are
we doing?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
What's so funny about that? One time when I was college,
I was leaving the bar with my girlfriend and like
fucked up beyond belief. Obviously on other men's dime. That
was my favorite thing to do was oh yeah, girl.
Sometimes sometimes my girlfriends would be like, go take a
lap because I'm thirsty, and I'd be like period, and
I'd walk around. My man soul does that with me.
I can't do it anymore because now I'm a public person.
(47:48):
But when we were first dating, my man would be like,
do you think you could just walk around and maybe
someone will buy your drinks? I do it all the time.
He didn't care, he didn't give a fuck anyways. So
I'd be like, yeah, my friend needs a drink too,
Thank you so much to my boyfriend, Go and give
it to ten.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
But when I was in this one time I was
with my girlfriend. We were leaving and this guy was
like just a clinger, you know, he like buys you
drinks and You're like, okay, okay, go find someone else, right,
But he was just attached to me, and he like
got in the uber with us and we're like going home,
and he keeps going, I just want to get to
know you. I just want to get to know you.
And I was like, no, no, I want to go
(48:22):
to bed he's like, I just want to get to
know you. And then I got so sick of him,
like just too much that I was like, you don't
want to get to know me. You want to fuck me,
and I don't want to do that. So either this
car stops right now, you get the fuck out, or
you give him your address now now. And then he
was like, oh, yeah, I live at one, two, three,
four or five. And then we took him home, and
then when we left, I remember like months later, I
(48:45):
got picked up by an uber driver again. Me and
my girlfriends are going out, and then he asked me.
He goes, hey, did I pick you up from this
bar like a month ago or so? And I go,
I don't know why, and he goes, I just remember
your voice because I remember thinking, oh, that guy being
really pushy and blah blah blah, mind you not doing
anything right, The guy's being pushing on me. Then he
hears me go, you don't want to get to know me,
(49:07):
you want to fuck me, so either get out or
give him your address. He remembered me yelling that, and
he remembered my voice so distinctly, and I remember him
saying like I've just never heard girls talk like that before.
I've never heard that before. Yes, And I was like,
you've never heard a bitch? Did Calman go fuck himself?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Think they don't like. What I don't think is men
like men understand powerful women.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
You become a man when you get too powerful, right, And.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
The fact that they are automatically associated with being a
man is crazy. Yeah, because it's like, who said, because
you're a man, you're powerful, right? The most powerful people
I know are women. Yes, I don't know about a
powerful Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Period, I like worship. Even when you think you fucking me,
I'm allowing you to have this, period, even when I'm
on my knees service in your penis.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
You're welcome, thank.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Me, because I'm allowing you to have this.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
You're so may, You're so may. I've thought that all
the time.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You're given permission to do this.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Sometimes I've told my man when we're fighting, I'm like, no,
because when you talk to me like I'm some regular
bitch off the street, I'm not listening. Yeah, you know,
good and goddamn well, I'm not some regular as bitch.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You know that, right? You know that about me When
you're choking me with your hands around my throat and
thrusting your penis in me, and I'm telling you to
fuck me.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
You have a moment, At any moment, I can make
you get off of me. I'm not gonna just tell
make you get off, So enjoy the moments that I'm
giving you. I'm in charge here at all times. You're now.
So we've come to the end of our show.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I could do this like a sex machine all day.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
All right, So it's called bandon, bitch. Now what happens
is we do we find something that we if we
rule the world, we would just ban it like they
bann an LBGTQ books they banded. So now we're turning
the tables and we've banned love. So I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
First, cool, and I'm gonna show you how to do it,
and then you follow perfect.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
My name is TS Madison, and if I ruled the world,
I would ban men who think they're in charge. I
want you to know that whatever I give you, bitch,
I've given you permission to have it. I want you
to understand, honey, that I'm banning your ego from being
so big that you think that you're really running things,
(51:41):
and you're really not. I'm banning you from walking in
telling me to lay down and thinking that you are
in charge. I only lay down because my body told
itself to lay down, and it's because I wanted you
to climb on top of me. So I'm banning your
huge male ego. Now I'll take your cock. I will
(52:01):
take that, but I'm banning you thinking that you are
in control period of me. I want to ban all
men who think that they have the right to have
control over women's by period love. Okay, okay, gorge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
My name is Jarrof Wallow, and if I was the
leader of the world, I would ban anyone and anything
that is bigoted. Oh so, and this is how i'd
ban it too. I'm let's say I'm leader of the
free world. You're homophobic, hung in the town square, Yes,
you're a transphobic. Death by lethal injection. I was like,
(52:41):
in fact, I'll ban it so severely that I'll start
coming up with creative ways to kill you. I'll be
like death by hounds, death by shark, Like, I'm gonna
get real creative and start tossing in volcanoes something like that.
So if I were you, when I come to power,
you better hide if you're a bigot, because first offense dead,
first offense dead, dead dead, You're all fucking dead. I'm
(53:04):
gonna kill you all. And I'm not talking about marginalized
people when they joke about each other. We all know
what bigotry really is, so truly tried and true bigotry.
You're gonna die when I come to power. Then that's
a promise, not a threat. Thank you very much, your honor.
We did it, look at a so we did it, sister.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
This was fun.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I love when I meet me, me too, I promise you.
I love when I meet me.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's like it's like we're so in love with ourselves. God,
I would love to say, really quick before we cut,
I would love to say, I think you are a
fucking icon. I have admired you forever, well before I
started doing this. I think you're so so so integral
(53:56):
to any sort of representation that happens out side of
any sort of your centry, peace center. You are a
fucking trailblazer. It's an honor to be in your presence
and to be your twin. Thank you. But it's an
honor to be on your show. I just think you're
fucking amazing, and I was so excited to come meet you.
I think you're the best.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I receive it. I receive am so glad.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'm so happy you came me too.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I'm so happy that we are sisters.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Me too, you are, and I knew it. I had
a feeling you knew it. I was like, I just
know she's just like me.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes, exactly, Listen. I love everything about you. I want
you to make sure that you're good to that man,
because when you find somebody that can put up with us.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Girl, don't I know it, keep them, even when I've
seen old pictures of us when he's like doing shit
just because he loves me. I remember one time I
was get a picture and I go, God, that man
loves me so much.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, keep it. I love him back. And also make
sure that you cut, slice, stab maime, and kill any
bitch that thinks that they can take that place.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Oh period.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
And we're also I know that you will throw him
in the trash.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah. Oh yeah, girl. He's my dog, that my cat
that I let out the house people want, the neighborood.
He always comes home, you know what I mean? I'm like, Oh,
don't worry about him. He doesn't have a color. It's fine.
He'll come back.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Fuck him if you like. But girl, we we'll do. Now.
You can put him, but he's not gonna go in
your house. I can promise you that trust because I
put a spell on that dick.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Exactly. I fixed that mail you goddamn fucking right, and
it's right between my legs.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I don't fixed that mail box, so I know it.
They'll be missed with that's a color purple line. Listen,
thank you, thank you for having me. It was just
for being here.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
I appreciate you. We need voices like this from.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Fist exactly. Imagine I got offended right there. God, thank you.
Oh my god, I kind of goddamn camera off.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Damn Yes, thank you. Did you enjoy it? Mama. Outlaws
is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts
and Turtle Run Entertainment. Come created by Tyler Rabinowitz and
Olivia Peace. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are executive
(56:13):
produced by Tyler Rabnowitz, Maya Howard, and Tis Madison. Our
supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are Joey
Pat and Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz
and our sound editor is Jes crientchicch Our associate producer
is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
(56:33):
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Montinea. Got You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes
bud no wait, no winds. When your in bed bed
bed bue yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick horeys
he chasing it. I'm black like that. He sbout living
(00:37):
its color easy. This is Outlaws but gs madicine.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh my god, are we recording?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Honey? Is it? Or is it? Or is this thing recording?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is your girl.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Ts Medisine comeing to you loud living always. I'm aware
of in color from the Outlaws of the podcast with
none other than this bitch called ts Medisine. I think
I think I had this myself twice.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I think it's two of me inside.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was gonna I was literally gonna be like perfect
email that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Now I want to know how to how do I
properly pronounce your last name.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Off Wallow, off wallow, so it's like off wallow, I swallow,
there you go it is.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yes. Well, you see, I always find someone that is
a kindred spirit to the t s and I want
to talk about that you love somewhere dirtily in in
the process of our show. But I love the way
that we got off on two good feet. And I
(01:38):
love the fact that this microphone is on my tit
it is. It's like, really, oh, there it is. It's
up now, and we're about to really get into some things.
So the premise of my show is that it's the
Outlaws and you are a very very big person on
the I am, yes, fortunately, I know it's there's never
(01:58):
is There's never anything on watuningate about being big somewhere
that's true. Take it from me. I used to go
by another name, honey before I was baptized, period, and
so I would have one of those if I didn't
have the other name I used to go by. So
(02:22):
we're here and here on this show because the people
that come here make statements not just in their own
boss in the world. And sometimes you know, we get
labeled as like the outcasts, the outlaws totally. But one
thing about it, We're always wanted, period, all the time
(02:43):
and special. I think it's because we are blessed to
be I think God gives us a certain type of light,
I agree, and to stand out, to stand out because
we're just not going to fit in. It's just never
fitting in to anything. Yeah, And so I wanted to
show to be about celebrating people who are outlaws. I
(03:07):
want to celebrating people who are outspoken, who are loud,
loving in color, like myself, because I've been navigating this
social media thing and this U media thing for a
long time. Like I'm here, legendary, legend. I know that
all about you, I want to say. Sometimes I sit
back and I think to myself, like, girl, wait a minute,
(03:29):
you're forty You'll be forty eight this year. You look good, girl,
Thank you, you look so good. It's called Burd's c's
and ointment. I remember forty eight this year, and I
remember my first video going viral when I was twenty something.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, te period, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And then it's just like, well, you're gonna be forty
eight and one of your first videos went round when
you were twenty.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Something, and you're still and you're still still period. You're
so period. You love that about it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So that's why we did this Outlaws show because you'll
never you'll never be able to erase the light that
God put into us. And then now listen, those were
my opening remarks.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
There's a segment on my show it's called talk your Ship. Okay, period,
now it's time for you to talk your ship. In
this segment, you tell us who you are, what you do,
what you're proud of. This is your time to shine,
and I don't want you to hold back. I did
the white the white girl, Ay, bitch. I want you
(04:39):
to tell those motherfucking people out there, tell them your name,
who you is, how many followers you fucking got, how
much impact you make on social media, that you are
who you are. And I don't want you to have
any reservations about bragging or who you are, what you've accomplished,
you know, because the people will tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You know, we gotta be humble.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You gotta me humble, sit down, be humble. We ain't
we ain't humbled on we always wanted Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Period.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I want you to look into that camera and I
want you to talk your shit. I want you to
tell me about your accolades. I'm going to tell me
about your the followers you got, I want me to
tell you. I just want you to run it down.
So to those girls, I this is gonna watch the show.
I want to be like that'd be saying all.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That that business is why I'm I agree my name. Yeah.
One thing you don't got to do is beg me
to talk about myself. Girl, We'll talk about myself.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's what. That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's it, that's what you need.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
My name is and then go for it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, my name is Drew Ifallo. I am twenty nine
years old. I'm gonna be thirty this year. Look at me, baby,
And I can't wait to be thirty because then I
can say, oh, I'm only thirty, but now that I'm
twenty nine, I'm old in twenties. Anyways. So I joined
TikTok four ish years ago at this point after I
got fired when I was working at the NFL. I
(05:58):
got who was working at the NFL got fired two
weeks later COVID hit. Then I started. My man encouraged
me to start posting on TikTok. So I started posting
at first telling stories, but then it turned into kind
of like me just attacking the worst men on planet
fucking Earth. I literally I go in and antagonize them
on purpose, like I swing on them when their backs
(06:18):
are turned, and then they'd always try to respond and
it never works because they're broke and ugly. So you
know that doesn't lend towards intellect normally. So I basically
I've been fucking up men online for years and it
grew me this very large following on TikTok. On TikTok,
I have eight point two mil. On Instagram, I have
one point three mil. I have a comment section show,
(06:41):
which is with Spotify and Spotify Exclusive. My show got
bought with after only filming I think like twelve to
fourteen episodes. I wasn't even in season two yet before
I got bought Clock That. And then on top of that,
I've written a book New York Times bestseller, Clock That
Clock two weeks on the list. And also I'm the
first one woman ever to make that list, so fucking period. Wow.
(07:04):
And then no what else. I have a bunch of
other shit going on now. But now I'm just kind
of chilling where I'm at, trying to catch up to you. Girl.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Girl listen, I'm over here, like honey, I like a
good first time, but you just ran it down. What
I appreciate about you is that you came out and
you just blurted just how you feel. And I don't
think people really understand about authentically being yourself, right Yeah,
people think like, well, you know, and people are learning
(07:33):
this now because I've been seeing a lot of girls
who've been on TV and all this stuff, and then
now they got to try to figure out this place,
you know, where to go because they don't have any
connections because we've only seen them as a character. When
people fall in love with us, they fall in love
with the real raw who we are, you know. And
then we started getting TV deals and all the other Yeah,
(07:55):
the reverse way. And it's like the TV girls over
there liked to show my real right, right, because they
may not like me and we have no choice.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We don't know who you are with.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you play the character.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I agree. And also women like us don't have the
choice really most times, like they won't let us in
base even if we fake everything. So I've even said,
like when I did an interview with Forbes, I said,
you cocked that clock that too. I was on the
cover of Forbes for the thirty under thirty creators. She
period copped it. When I did an interview with them.
(08:30):
I was talking about how when I first grew my platform,
I wasn't getting signed by anybody, and I was growing
like one hundred thousand followers every day, and it's literally
because of what I look like and how I talk.
So it's like the agencies were saying it was hard
to market me, like there was no way, there's no
way we're gonna get her brand deals. There's no way
we're gonna do any of that because she's too loud
and aggressive and mean. And honestly, what I've said before
(08:54):
is period. What I've said before is like I just
got too big to ignore. It wasn't that they just
suddenly were like, wait, actually I think she has something
I got too big to ignore. Yeah, So sometimes we
have to force them to look at us.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's like you, you don't want to let us through
the door, so we'll stand outside. Exactly, We'll stand outside
and then we'll scream so loud that the.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Walls will fall in, and they have no choice. But
they have no choice, And it's because we have no
choice but to be ourselves, like we don't have we
don't have that kind of assimilation in us anymore. At
certain points, I feel like I feel like as soon
as I unpacked a lot of my internalized like biases,
whether it's like internalized racism, transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, all of that,
(09:34):
I realized that I have no I want to be
seen as who I am. Yes, I don't want to
be seen as what I'm pretending to be so I
can fit in. And we're big loud bitches.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes, no choice. And that's the thing. Like, And they've
always tried to make this a comment like I've tried
to sell so many different TV shows or whatever. Some
get got some don't. But it's always where are we
going to place you? We don't, you know, Madison. And
then you'll see them take fragments of you and put
(10:05):
them into some skiindy bitch and then they're saying the
show don't work.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, it's crazy. You'll build something like I've done it
in this industry where I've been hired to do something,
they've never done it before. I've done it. It's succeeded
really well. They took it from me, give it to
a white girl. Yeah, yeah, it's happened many times. I'm
sure it's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I see so many people out there allowed laughing in color.
I'm like, honey, it's not gonna work because you've taken
you've taken the formula and replaced it in something that
it doesn't fit.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And they don't have the sauce.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
R ain't no shoe got the song, I got the.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sauce, and you could tell it's been authentic to them.
I've heard that too on TikTok, Like there have been
many times where women are like, I make fun of
men too, and how come she has those things and
I don't. And I was like, I'm not the first
bitch to make fun of men, Believe it or not,
I'm not the first person alive to ever do that,
especially not women. I said, you want to know what
the secret is. It's me, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
That's me, honey, that's it, just that fun. I'm just
that special. I'm just that motherfucker special. The light was
put through me.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah. And I always say like, you're too busy looking
to your left and and you're right, that's why you
never finished first.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I don't have that problem. I focused forward me too.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And here's the thing, like people, I've never been lab
not vulnerable enough to even you know me. You've just
seen me for years. I would get online. My wig
could be laying right there on the floor.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It don't matter either toilet.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, listen, I was. I was on my show the
other day drinking alcohol, and the got so drunk and
the chair fell over. One point two one point five
almost two million views of that of me saying, oh ship,
you know, I didn't try. I didn't that was a stage.
It was just and I got up and started eating
a salad.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know. But it's just it's the fact that you're authentic.
It's it's okay, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I don't know
if you get this. I get this all the time
when I'm in public. If if fans come up to me,
almost always they go, man, you're way prettier in person. Yes, pause,
what I supposed to say? What the fuck do I
look like? You know, it's like, oh, you're not even
(12:10):
that big. I get that one too. I get that
one too. I've gotten them before. They're like, I don't
know why people call you fat. You're not fat at all.
Like even if I was witch, fuck you, I know
you're gonna let.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Me be fat?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why to comment on the damn you know?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And so like I got this series where I'm just
on my social media, I got out you're not allowed.
You're not allowed. So they tell you as a star,
(12:49):
Oh you're supposed to be too big, you're too big
to respond to the comments. No, I'm not and I
never will be one never will be. No, No, I'm
not above it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Me too. No, I've gotten that from people that I
fuck up. Still, They're like, I can't believe you're making
time to do Oh baby, I got nothing but what
you're talking about. I'm at home.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
This is what I do.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was like, that's kind of my thing. I'm waiting
for you to wander in here so I can s
I'm actually missing the problems.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Like, damn, ain't nobody. Don't nobody want to get roasted today?
Nobody wants to get.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Roasted I know honestly. At one point, I was like,
I did too good of a job. I cleaned up
the streets too good. Listen with me now, but listen.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But you get those ones that wander a day scared,
And he'd be like, Okay, I like you. I like you, bitch,
you am scared. I'm just gonna give you something. My friend,
bodyguard and everything else that he's been labeled to me.
Sitting over there, he says, you're a toxic person.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm like TRD that too, I'm not toxic.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
At all, Because he says the way I devoured ben
up like men, Oh, I would devour being up me too,
And I know that I'm willing y'all to have a
big dick, and so I all you me both, and
so I tell men immediately, honey, listen, are you doing
all that talking? You call it me fat at all? This?
Let's meet check? How about we meet check? Girl? How
(14:11):
about that? Let's meet saying that, let's meet check. Let's
stand up and see who's real. Let's measure it for real, girl.
You know you're not beating me in the purse apartment.
Let's do this, you know. And it's always the one
that sneak in that like to slide in and and
(14:35):
be like and you're like where this will come from?
And it's gotten so good now that he alerts me
like you see such and such, gotta get it now now.
Now here's where the Here's where I get a lot
of flat and so damn we all we don't we ship,
We always we don't get an origin?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Can we just go yeah? Whatever? Show.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Here's where I get to the the part where it's like, okay,
you get these labels on you because I'm sure you,
I'm sure, yeah, you've gotten labeled like you hate men.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, absolutely, you you I'm perpetuating the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So I get this thing a lot where they say
or tears massive doesn't like black women. I'm like, you are,
I'm a black woman, but you don't want me to
check these black women who so now they have the
they can come in with the unmitigated golf and stand
(15:37):
outside when I'm posting a nice picture of me rubbing
through my hair. You're a man, you'll never have kids,
You're ugly, You're It's like, wait a minute. You gathered
all this because I just posted a picture of me
doing this. You got Oh that's what you wanted to
come do. No real, So now I'm going to gather you.
I'm going to gather your house, your kids, I'm going
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to gather everything.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We're gonna gather.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Let let's just get.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Let me get. Let's because I get what you mean,
because I've had that issue with women, like there are
women who don't like me too. It's it pales and
compares soon. I'm sure yours is the same like white cis.
Straight men are my biggest perpetrators, but there are obviously
other facets of people, other identities that don't like me.
As well for various reasons, but they're always centered and
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centered in the same which is you hate men Like
I've had women say like, why don't you just talk
to them? Why don't you Has that ever fucking worked?
Have you ever talked to a hateful person and been like,
please don't do that and they listen to you? Right right?
I said, well, see, if you want to do that,
I respect your right to do that, because that's the
kind of the whole fucking point of intersexual feminism is
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like women's autonomy. It's your ability to do and live
your life however you want. So if you want to
go and hold their hand when they call you a
slur by all means I'm gonna fuck them up. But
that's just my method. You do whatever you want, queen,
I don't care you're not. That's on you.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And then and then some of those women will jump out,
I'm sure you get this too. Oh you you never
have that save energy for me? I'm like, have you
googled me? They're not familiar with that, FID. That's the
first time I've ever stood. I stood on a motherfucking
man's neck. What are you talking about? It's the first
fight I did, and you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
The first fight I've ever been in fact, the only
fights I've ever been in have been with full grown men,
really like actual fights. I've only ever thought with men literally,
never women. Women is just yelling and talking shit. The
few times I've been physical with someone has all been men,
men physically, my very It's so funny. We were talking
(17:40):
about this because this morning I was telling my my
cousin the story. But I was telling it the very
first fight I ever gone in was because a kid
at school grew up to my sister and she was crying.
And my sister's the first person I ever defended from bullies.
Like I hate bullies, I don't hate men. I hate
men too.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hello. I mean, if you ever spect time with one,
you fucking hate them too. That's why I'm like, hey,
you know what a little bit, a little bit, it's okay.
We can say it's fine, it'll be fine. You know
there are times that I really be there again, yeah,
when it's earned.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Remember, uh, he groped my sister. I was very upset
about it, and I went and I fucked him up
on purpose. And then I got pulled off him, and
then I was telling him I'm going to kill you,
and I kept saying, I'm going to come to your
house and I'm going to kill you. That's the only
thing I kept responding. When I got home as I
got in trouble from the school, but my mom was like,
I'm proud of you for sending up for your sister.
Little tip though, don't tell people you are going to
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kill them. That's a crime. And I was like, right, noted,
got it. But my first time I ever put hands
on someone was literally a man because he assaulted my sister.
So I have seen many many times men do awful
fucking shit like that, and sometimes the only thing they
respond to is violence, whether it's physical or verbal, emotional.
And we happen to be good at all three. Yes,
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So there you go, that's their fault. And to piggybit
off of what you just said.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I learned how to fight from defending my girlfriends from
their boyfriends, yeah, jumping on their So first I knew
how to swing because from fighting a man. So when
they're like, oh, you don't have the same energy for
men from day one, far.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
More than you, it's for you so it's really here.
It's really upsetting too when it's like women or people
that you care about that you're trying to defend and
they a lot of times I feel like that's where
I have empathy for them, because I'm like, you're so
lost in that sauce that you can't see past it.
I'm praying for you. I can't wait for you, though.
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It's like white women voting for Trump exactly, It's like
I can't You're voting against your own interest. There's nothing
I can do to save you. I got to protect
everybody else. Yeah, Like, I'm not worried about you. You
made your choice. And I said, and I got the
same shit from women recently when I was defending trans
women from turfs. Yeah, because I fucking hate turfs, Yes,
and they kind of undermined the entire fucking point of
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feminism as a fucking whole. Turfs, I've gotten fucking ship
from them. And also Trump supporting women, like because I
made a video literally saying I fucking hate him. I
hate him, and if you voted for him, I hate
you too. I like explicitly said that in a video
that did really well on TikTok and I had so
many white women mostly messaging me saying like, oh, I
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don't understand why we can't have different pause me of
all people, Yeah, don't fucking follow me. Like they're like,
you don't want our support. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I don't need it. I don't want it. Don't fucking
give it to me. I don't follow me, unfollow me,
block me, don't spend such money on ship I sell. Yeah,
I don't give a fuck. Like and I'm and that's
the thing about you and I is like we're fucking
about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm with the ships, bitch, Yeah
for real. But I tell you I hate him. I
hate him.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I'm I'm putting them and somebody, Oh my god, we
so kidd Yeah it's and we're not we're unwilling to
like hide that part of us because it's like bitsch Listen,
if you went down there to the polls and you
pressed anything, if you thought like, oh, well, he's going
to bring down eggs, and you didn't hear all the
rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Nothing else registered nothing, So you didn't hear anything else.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But he's going to bring down eggs. You didn't hear
them running on this on the stupid fact that like
trans people are in the public enemy number one and
it's like, how.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Less than one percent of the population. Sure, And I was, like,
less than one percent of the poplar. That's why the
turf thing was really upsetting to me, because they're like,
I thought, you fought for women.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I fight for all women. You fight for white women. Yeah,
even if you, even if you are you yourself are
not a white woman, if you're a fucking turf, yes,
you're only fighting for white women.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Girl fighting their battle, girls, sister. Listen. Yesterday the other day,
I was on YouTube and I was talking and I said,
and women got offended. I said, dark skinned women, if
you're dark skinned, you gotta cheer with the transphobia, Yeah,
because you're first and lie, big women. If you with
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the trans phobia and you're a bigger woman.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're also gonna be subject.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You gotta stop, you gotta chill.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's gonna hurt all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's gonna swing on your ass too.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And I'm and I'm a big bitch too. That's why
I was like, I have been called a man many times, yes,
many times before this too. I've I've been called, I've
been accused. It's all of that. That's why I said
all of our all of our oppression is tied together together.
It's all tied together. So it's it's very upsetting to
me when women of color are turfs too, because I'm
always like, you don't understand this is gonna hit us first.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm like, bro, and it with with with with emphasis
about you you grow Yeah, yes, exactly know. I don't
give a fuck how being a fat and with your
pussy gets. I don't give a fuck about how being
fat and what your pussy gets. Well, they're not even
gonna get that for her. If you are a darker
woman and you have bigger features.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You're you're just not euro centric, eurocentric bitch, you are
in danger. Yeah we are? Also does add to that?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
O don't? That doesn't in fate me?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It does? It does? It always? If you're not phenotypically
European in any way, shape or form, you are subject
to it. And like as a I'm Polynesian, I'm some one.
So like I'm six feet tall, I'm a big bitch.
I'm tall. I've always been big, I've been thicker than most.
I'm strong, I have more muscle than most women. Like
it's all it's all a ruse, like this hunt, this
witch hunt for trans people, it's all a ruse to
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distract you from what the fuck they're actually doing. And
it's like this sounds so fucking lame, but like it's
like in Wicked when he goes sometimes you need to
give them an enemy. You need to give them one
person to focus on. Otherwise there's no unity, yes, which
is fucking true. So they're they're picking the most vulnerable.
Like I've even said, transmen are the most vulnerable amongst us,
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especially black trans women are the most vulnerable amongst Women's
subject to violence. And I even when I was fighting terrists,
I was fighting, oh, fighting them, and this is what
I said. I said, if you're a turf still and
it's twenty twenty five, you're as tanks. That's what I said.
I said, you're askings, you have shit in your butt,
You're a loser, nobody likes you. That's what I said.
Even when I've said it, they're like the way I've
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described it, They're like, that's all I said. That's not
even close to me. And I could be way meaner
than that.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well, i'll help you. That's actually you're a pussy stating
all of it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You're pussy nasty, disgusting, you're gross. Nobody likes you. And
I've said that and I and I literally was like,
I'll die by the dolls. You guys are fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But also I was like, I actually know and love
trans people in real life. Even if I didn't, though
i'd be saying the same shit. But I actually know
and love them in real life. That's why, turfs. I'm like,
you've never met or spent time with or loved a transperson,
you can tell, Yeah, you can fucking tell. And if
you have met one, you didn't know. Yeah, And now
all of a sudden, you're a fucking expert. And the
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whole thing was around like a women's only gym, and
this woman was marketing it as like, oh, it's for
all women, including trans women. Then she got her fucking
little bag. Then she was like, actually I changed my mind. Yes,
So that's who I was talking. Oh, that's what you're
talking about, look at.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Us.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I did the same, That's who I.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Was talking about, and it's just dark skin. And I
was saying, and I was, I mean, you probably would
a little bit more harder than me and I and
I try my best, but I'm getting to a point
where it's it's like, fuck it, you've already labeled me
whatever you labeled. I try my best not to get
in that ring because it's it's like it's like because
they're not you're not gonna beat me anyway, girl, not
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just because I was born male, but because you're not
fast enough, right exactly. It's like I said, ma'am, I
understand that, you know, you think that you're doing something here,
but you're dark skinned, and that's not a bad thing
to be dark skinned. No, no, no no, but you
gotta understand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
That plays out, how that works, how it plays out,
it's not well. And also I'm just like, what are
you doing? Push checks at the door, like I want
to see you're fucking weird. This is a fascist.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Hold on, I'm gonna play Devil's Avoca. I'm a libra.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm a libra, and I like the balance. I love libras.
I like to my man's a libra. I'm a vergo.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh oh, y'all have really great sex. So let me,
let me, let me try to be Devil's advocate here,
not for them, but just because I've gotten in trouble
because I don't listen. When I fry, if your meat,
you just get fried. And that means if you're SIS, meet,
if you're trans meet, if you're none by their meat,
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if you're what I fry you. You said you're an
equal opportunity, you meet, you get friedel you know, I
get what you mean. So, sister, I was on a
podcast talking about some political ship and like how and
I had been saying bio biological biology, and I fucked
up and said cis because because that's what it is,
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the women. And it's usually like she says women, she's
she's a CIS gender woman. Yes, it's okay. Usually this
you know, she's using the term, and I'm like, and
you get nervous. But because I'm like, oh my god,
I just don't want to hear it. It's just because
it's just like and he they start on me. But
(27:33):
but my girlfriend told me, she said, massive, they're going
to be transphobic regardless, regardless if you use this, regardless
if you use.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That, it's actually so true, they're gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
They're going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, they've made up their mind. Even when I recently,
when I was defending trans women, they started calling me
a man in there, like women were going like, oh, well,
you must have a lot in common because you're also
a man.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Is that the best?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You garbage like calling me a man.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Here's the gag.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You couldn't be a wall without the man. Let them
bitches know, you couldn't be a wall without the man.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I was like, and what if I took your man?
Then what right?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Don't don't tell me, don't I.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Took your man?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He sucked my dig then what for the back? And honestly,
I just remembered in that video, the last thing I
said was you guys can suck my dick, and then
I said, actually suck it from the back because I
don't want to look at you. That's what made them
really mad, now that I'm remembering me going, oh, I said,
I was, you're asking, that's actually not all that was
the last thing I said.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, so that's your villain era. I'm constantly in it
for me too, And we don't even try to do it,
you know, we just we just try to, you know,
make statements.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's like like like, well, and it's like it's it. Unfortunately,
it's one of those things where our lives are inherently political.
We have no choice but to live that way. And
then when you try to have these conversations, especially with
people who are like trying to learn. I even did
an interview once with a white woman and she was like,
she was really nice, but it was very clear to
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me that it was almost like she had just found
out about a lot of stuff. It felt like, you
know how sometimes white people they get hit to the
game real late and then they're like, did you guys
know that racism is everywhere? You're like, I'm like, oh,
someone called the church elders. Wait a minute, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You just found out that that is sugar on frosted flakes.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's like, oh, it's like, did you guys know that
they don't like immigrants here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I did.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I actually I've actually known that about that for a while.
I can't believe you didn't know. It's all right. And
these women are like older than me too at the time,
so I remember when they were talking to me. It
was very frustrating to me because and I probably felt
similarly to the way that you were describing how you
felt on a podcast once, because it feels like it
feels like I'm having a conversation with someone who just
learned yesterday that people that don't look like them live
(30:02):
a harder life. And it's really hard for me because
I don't have a lot of empathy for people like that,
because I'm like, you're a hundred what do you fucking
mean you just found out? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Why do I have more information than you? You You've
been on this earth lost Jesus Christ himself and you
don't know that shit.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like it's it gets really frustrating for me too. And
then I feel like you do where I have to,
like I have to kind of tamper myself down, meet
them where they're at, then kind of gas them up
a little bit and then we can have a conversation.
Okay exactly. Yeah, and it feels exhausting. Well you know, yeah,
it's like, no, I know you guys are doing a lot.
(30:42):
I know, I trust me. I know white women are
really trying to hurt it to validate you.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah you are, But then you go down and you
vote for Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right, and then it's like like even sometimes like I've
had women say like, yeah, you know, like I have
women who I see all the time and they're so
they're like, oh, I'm not homophobic, I'm not transphobic, but
they voted for Trump. And I was like, well, first
of all, you still spend time with those women. I don't.
I don't spend time with people who vote differently than me.
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I don't ever surround myself with people like that. So
that's one thing I can't relate to white people about
yet all that'll make space for people like that all
the time, not me. And then when she says that,
I like explained to her, I was like, I think
that sometimes people think that homophobia, transphobia, racism, whatever is
like just slurs. And they're like, well, I don't say
the slurs, so I must not be homophobic. That's actually
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not how that works at all, not even a little.
And the fact that you still think that in your
one hundred is concerning to me. And then but I'm like,
I mean, I'm glad you're not voting for Trump. I'm
grateful for that, but there's a lot of other work
that you should be digging in. You should be working on. Yeah,
And since women are victims of that too, yes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Very much. So like you shouldn't want to be subservient
to your husband, right, do you not understand that women
just got their rights to vote?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right, That's what I mean, And especially with white women too,
because it's like, actually, my man explained this to me
when we were first dating, like years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Which which we're going to get into because as much
as she hates men, she's engaged.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
A damn right clock that too. And he explained oppression
to me and how people view it as like a classroom,
as like an example, So at the very front of
the classroom is cysgendered, heterosexual white men, and they don't
think oppression exists because there's something in front of them,
or like I'm at the front of the class it's fine,
it's awesome. What are you guys talking about? It streight
up here? As you go back each line, it's each
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intersection of oppression puts them further behind, so they can
see all the people in front of them, who are
actively ahead of them being treated better than them at
the very very back of the classroom as black trans women.
So it's like that's the easiest way I've found to
explain oppression to people who don't understand, because when they
say things like well, I don't say I feel like
I'm being persecuted for being white. If I hear that
(32:58):
one more goddamn timas word of God. But I'm like,
you don't understand how oppression works. You don't understand intersectionality, right,
So when I explain it to them in the classroom way,
they're like, oh, so, obviously black trans women no more
than anybody how oppression works, because they're at the very
very bottom of the totem pole when it comes to
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stuff like that. So that means that even though I have,
I have privileges too that other people further oppressed than
me don't have. So it's like it's your job, as
like I think someone who cares about others to turn
and look back, yeah, and see who's behind you, and
see who needs help and see why they're being held back.
And that's kind of the whole fucking point of intersectional
activism as a whole. And I feel like people like
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yourself who have been making you're such a trailbazer in
so many ways, but you're also known for being your
personality as well. So when people like get really hung
up on the way you're trying to have these conversations.
They're not focusing on what it is you're trying to
talk about. They're focusing on these.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Like buzz fields.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, and it's like buzzwords, like things that make them
feel certain things, which is not a bad thing. But
it's like, let's remember who's on our side and who's not. Yes, Like,
let's remember the context and intention is important, and the
intention of the conversation is just as important as the
conversation itself. So you're trying to have them in good faith.
It's not a bad thing that you want to have
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And when I sit around and I talk about this
with my friends that are straight gay, you know, especially
my straight friends that I'm weird tied like this, and
I say to them him, I say, you gotta understand
that you know you're black, you're a black man. Again.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I'm behind you, yeah, absolutely, and not just behind you.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We may not agree on everything, but I'm also protecting
you too, yeah, exactly. And you can't turn around and
do that for me, exactly. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's one of those things where it's like you're one
person's oppression doesn't pull from another. Yeah, we're all being oppressed, Like,
isn't that the whole fucking point? But isn't that the
whole point? The point is that this is not okay,
it's not fair. It's not and it's not I've told
SIS women this. I'm like, just because you cut out
trans women, it doesn't mean you cut in the line
to equality. You're not going to get there faster just
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because you cut out transmit. That's not how it fucking works,
Believe it or not. They can't tell the difference. Most
sis awful transphobic men cannot tell the difference at all.
They group us all together, they lump us all together.
So it's like, it works against your best interests and
mind for us to squabble amongst ourselves, so we're not
supposed to be doing that. It doesn't move anybody forward,
it doesn't advance us, it just continues. Honestly, while we
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do this, they get further ahead than us. Like, yeah,
they go further ahead than us. And I know what
you mean too. It's like, it's not fair to think that,
like one person's pain is more valid than another's.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's and it's not realistic. In the world that we
live in. Also the fact that you were saying too
that you're so happy to be the age you are.
You have so much wisdom about you, like you've seen
the world in many different shades and colors for so long.
So it's almost like you have to listen to what
they say and their experiences. It's important. Experiences are valid
and important.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You know what hurts me the most, and I know
you you as a woman, well, we don't get hurt much,
but you know when we do.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
What hurts me the most is to see my own Yeah,
I get that, my own I I fussed fight a lot,
and I expect white people to do whatever right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I expect that like that too.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm not shocked when they.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Do it me too.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It hurts more when it's when it looks like you.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You're so me. Yeah, I agree. It's when the people
that you fight for and walk alongside you're like you
two girls like the fun. I think that about women,
especially women of color, when they when they get pissed
off at me or they're ho misogynistic or transphobic or homophobic,
I'm always like, I'm fighting for you, bitch, and it
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will do it for you too. But I'll still run
you over with my car. But that don't mean but
that's what I'm fighting for, the right to run you around.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
But that won't mean I won't come back. I won't
send somebody to take you to the hospital. Girl. I
thought I'll run you over over my car, bitch. But
we're gonna get to the finish line.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You know we're coming. You'll you'll don't worry. You'll get there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
But it's just like it's that's where it hurts the most,
and you didn't trying to explain that. It's like how
you don't fucking get it.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I know I've had that issue with women when the
few times I've had to call out women, I don't.
I don't ever make fun of women the same way
I make fun of men. But I have called out
women before for being awful and being bigoted towards me
and others. And the amount of times I've had women
message me and be like, I thought you fought for women.
I thought you never made fun of women. That's not
what I said. I like you said, I'm an equal opportunity.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Right. If your meat, everybody's catching it. If your meat,
I'll fry you. That's just how it washed me. If
it's and I'm from the South, we fry every fucking thing.
We fly pickles, we fried chicken, we fry fish. Bitch,
if your meat, if I can batter you up right,
I'm gonna fry you if anything. That's the most affirming
(38:23):
thing I could do for you. Just treat you just
like just like everybody fucking out beat your ass, just
like everybody up. Bitch, I don't listen. I don't care
what your color is or what I will fry you
your meat. I will fry you exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I'm the same way. So I've had to explain to them.
I was like, that doesn't just because I don't fuck
you up the same way I fuck the man does
not mean I'm not gonna hold you accountable for shit.
What about me has ever led you to believe that
I like to keep my mouth show when people are disrespectful.
When you come and disrespect me, you get disrespected. That's
what fucking happens.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
My disrespect varies. But that's just because I'm older now
and I've learned a little bit more and I have
more fun fucking up men. So that's that's a joy
thing for me. That kindles joy for me.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So what did it? What did that derive from?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like why I hate them?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Why?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Hey men?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes? What did it derive from?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I honestly don't know. I feel like in the beginning,
when I first started blowing up and I would do interviews,
they would ask me like, if I've ever been like
severely wronged by a man, which, like, obviously I've been
treated like shit by men. I think that's a right
of passage, especially if you date mend Yeah, So I
was like, that's like a universal understanding for us. But
(39:34):
I was like, I've never had anything though. That was like,
now I'm going to be mean to them, like a villain.
I just like They've just always irritated the fuck out
of me. And I think part of that is like
just my inane like confidence, Like I've had this borderline
delusional confidence since I could like formulate thoughts, and so
I've always thought I was just better than men. So
(39:54):
I was like, and in my house, like in in
someone culture, at its very root, it's matriarchal, So we
hold women in very high regard in my culture, and
then women have very very prominent roles in the family.
They they're decision makers, right, they in government all that stuff,
especially prior to being colonized, and so like my house
was no exception to that. My dad, my mom was
(40:17):
the breadwinner the majority of my life and my dad,
my dad's dream was to be a stay at home dad.
Like my dad's dream was to be at home. Like
he was like, I want to be at home with
the kids, and I want to take care of them.
And in Simon culture, men do all the cooking and cleaning,
and women take care of children and the elderly. Like
that was kind of how our roles were kind of dispersed.
But also there was never a gender binary in my
(40:37):
culture either. There was more than two genders for hundreds
of thousands of years, right, So, like that's just kind
of how I was raised. I was raised that women
are strong and powerful and deserve respect. Like that's just
kind of how I've always seen women, and that's how
I've always seen my mom, I've aways seen the women
in my family. So when I hit puberty and moved
out into the world, like when I saw home men
(40:58):
were treating women, I was like, oh this shit, it's
not gonna fly with me. Yeah, oh, this doesn't work
in my house, doesn't work for me. Yeah, no, So
I think that's just kind of where it started. And
then as I started interacting with men, I was like, oh,
you guys are awful. But I've never felt that way
about women. I've always like, in fact, I thought I
was gay for a while because I was like, maybe,
(41:18):
I like, if you like women that I more than
I think. Turns out it's not, that's not the case.
But I just really love women. I've just always loved
women and felt community with women, and I've always thought
women are just the most powerful, beautiful, amazing people.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, it's the same for me. But I'm just I'm
not sexually attracted to women neither. I just I find
that I've always felt like a I've actually always felt
connected to both.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Really love that I've always though that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's why I haven't had an operation. And it was
not because I, you know, I just don't want to pussy.
But that's fair, you know, I just because I don't think,
I don't I don't needed to do what I do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, And so.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know, I love being but I hold men's nuts
to the fire. Me too.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's a great way to describe mine.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Hold them their nuts to the fire, like sir, stop,
like like you really, like, let me point out to
where you're wrong in this situation, like where this stuff happens.
You know, how did you find your husbandon.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
We actually went to high school together. That's not we're
not high school sweethearts though, but that's how we met
was in high school. We're friends in high school, and
then we started dating after I graduated from college. So
kind of a boring story but not it's boring, but
I the.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Way you dissect me, and that's just like people wouldn't
even think that you be in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And then when they see what he looks like, they're like,
and he's very handsome, they're like, god, fuck, I know.
They're always like, I bet she's single. Wrong, I bet
he's ugly wrong, I bet he's I bet he's short exactly.
That's also wrong, and I'm sorry to say that's also
very wrong. But I made this joke to latrees Y
(43:24):
I love her the other day because one of my
girlfriends she was we were fucked up together like a
couple a year ago last year, and we're chatting and
then she was like, I gotta ask you something. I
was like, sure, she's never asked me anything like this,
and if she's known me for years, she's like, Oh,
it's really good, isn't it talking about my man? And
then I go, I mean seven years?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
No ring?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What do you think? Now? I have a ring? So
it's period. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But how does he feel about your content?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
He loves it? He actually and I laugh all the
time because I'm like, he encouraged me to on TikTok.
I don't think he. I don't think he could have
ever known that it would have turned into what it was.
But like when it started turning into that, he honestly
sometimes would tell me. He's like, I think you could
have been meaner, And I was like, damn you think.
I'm like, well, first of all, I didn't ask for notes,
but appreciate it. And then second of all, sure, I
(44:17):
was like I can be meaner? Sure?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Why not? Does it turn him on?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
He loves it? He loves He's one of those guys
that like he well, first of all, he got tall
and handsome in high school, like pretty early on, so
like he was arrogant in high school immature. I was too,
I'm sure to an extent. But he always really liked that.
I was like, fuck you just about everything. And it's
because he was so handsome and charming. He could he
never struggled for like female attention like women women put
(44:43):
there pussy in the wind when that bitch walks around.
Oh girl, I'm always like, he's not that impressive, I promise, ah,
But he loved that about me. I think he really
liked you know, I think the female version of me period.
I'm a twin, we're twin.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I truly believe that. I admit the the version. I
love that. I just me too, because it's right, you've
met the transversion because I'm do you City of Santa Thui.
There's just like this stuff that they'd be going up
about me.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Oh he's so like okay, yeah, fuck him, dud.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And I've said before I feel like my my group
of girlfriends in college were so pivotal to my development too,
as like unpacking like my internalized misogyny, like getting rid
of that. Because when I was in college, I had
never met like women before that were so sexually free.
I'd never met women like that in my life, like
obviously in high school, like women are being sexually active whatever,
(45:41):
But like these women my friend my best friends from
college and they're still my friends to this day. They
literally would be like I think I'm gonna go fuck
him and see how it is. Yeah, I'll be back,
and I'd be like all right, and then I would
check in with them and they'd be like, it's not
that good. Yeah. And one of my friends was like,
I remember one of my girlfriends in college. She was like,
I haven't had sex in my and I need to
do it. And I think I'm going to pick a
(46:01):
guy in my philosophy class. And I was like, why
that one. She goes, ah, they're not as annoying as
like the other classes. Then she told me all about
it and she goes, Okay, well I got my nuts,
so I'm good. I don't need to talk to him anymore.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I never met women like that in my life that
were so confident and stuff like that, and the and
they're dating and their sexual history and like just how
they like to enjoy life.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You didn't know that. That's like, that's how that. Men
used to say that they could clock me, really girl,
because I used to be like, I don't got to
have for us. Let me see it.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, now I know why they're telling me that all
the time.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I don't have. I don't have let me see it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
How is that clocking? I was doomen?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Women women aren't that they don't women don't go after
or they're not.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, no pieces are coming.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, because basically like what I've got to He said,
that's how I knew you were. That's that's how I
knew you were a man. What I knew you were
a man because you were so aggrets you were you
were you went straight for girl. You're like, and I'm
I'm like, sir, first of all, okay, I'm not a man. Yeah,
I was born male, but I'm not a man. I
(47:08):
am a transsexual's transiender nap was a bitch, I'm a
trans mm and I don't have time to be going
through all of this. We well we fucking are not.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You're like still a lot of this ship it out? This?
Speaker 1 (47:21):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh? Should I do mine? Let's see? Like what are
we doing?
Speaker 1 (47:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
What's so funny about that? One time when I was college,
I was leaving the bar with my girlfriend and like
fucked up beyond belief. Obviously on other men's dime. That
was my favorite thing to do was oh yeah, girl.
Sometimes sometimes my girlfriends would be like, go take a
lap because I'm thirsty, and I'd be like period, and
I'd walk around. My man soul does that with me.
I can't do it anymore because now I'm a public person.
(47:48):
But when we were first dating, my man would be like,
do you think you could just walk around and maybe
someone will buy your drinks? I do it all the time.
He didn't care, he didn't give a fuck anyways. So
I'd be like, yeah, my friend needs a drink too,
Thank you so much to my boyfriend, Go and give
it to ten.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
But when I was in this one time I was
with my girlfriend. We were leaving and this guy was
like just a clinger, you know, he like buys you
drinks and You're like, okay, okay, go find someone else, right,
But he was just attached to me, and he like
got in the uber with us and we're like going home,
and he keeps going, I just want to get to
know you. I just want to get to know you.
And I was like, no, no, I want to go
(48:22):
to bed he's like, I just want to get to
know you. And then I got so sick of him,
like just too much that I was like, you don't
want to get to know me. You want to fuck me,
and I don't want to do that. So either this
car stops right now, you get the fuck out, or
you give him your address now now. And then he
was like, oh, yeah, I live at one, two, three,
four or five. And then we took him home, and
then when we left, I remember like months later, I
(48:45):
got picked up by an uber driver again. Me and
my girlfriends are going out, and then he asked me.
He goes, hey, did I pick you up from this
bar like a month ago or so? And I go,
I don't know why, and he goes, I just remember
your voice because I remember thinking, oh, that guy being
really pushy and blah blah blah, mind you not doing
anything right, The guy's being pushing on me. Then he
hears me go, you don't want to get to know me,
(49:07):
you want to fuck me, so either get out or
give him your address. He remembered me yelling that, and
he remembered my voice so distinctly, and I remember him
saying like I've just never heard girls talk like that before.
I've never heard that before. Yes, And I was like,
you've never heard a bitch? Did Calman go fuck himself?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Think they don't like. What I don't think is men
like men understand powerful women.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
You become a man when you get too powerful, right, And.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
The fact that they are automatically associated with being a
man is crazy. Yeah, because it's like, who said, because
you're a man, you're powerful, right? The most powerful people
I know are women. Yes, I don't know about a
powerful Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Period, I like worship. Even when you think you fucking me,
I'm allowing you to have this, period, even when I'm
on my knees service in your penis.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
You're welcome, thank.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Me, because I'm allowing you to have this.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
You're so may, You're so may. I've thought that all
the time.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You're given permission to do this.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Sometimes I've told my man when we're fighting, I'm like, no,
because when you talk to me like I'm some regular
bitch off the street, I'm not listening. Yeah, you know,
good and goddamn well, I'm not some regular as bitch.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You know that, right? You know that about me When
you're choking me with your hands around my throat and
thrusting your penis in me, and I'm telling you to
fuck me.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
You have a moment, At any moment, I can make
you get off of me. I'm not gonna just tell
make you get off, So enjoy the moments that I'm
giving you. I'm in charge here at all times. You're now.
So we've come to the end of our show.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I could do this like a sex machine all day.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
All right, So it's called bandon, bitch. Now what happens
is we do we find something that we if we
rule the world, we would just ban it like they
bann an LBGTQ books they banded. So now we're turning
the tables and we've banned love. So I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
First, cool, and I'm gonna show you how to do it,
and then you follow perfect.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
My name is TS Madison, and if I ruled the world,
I would ban men who think they're in charge. I
want you to know that whatever I give you, bitch,
I've given you permission to have it. I want you
to understand, honey, that I'm banning your ego from being
so big that you think that you're really running things,
(51:41):
and you're really not. I'm banning you from walking in
telling me to lay down and thinking that you are
in charge. I only lay down because my body told
itself to lay down, and it's because I wanted you
to climb on top of me. So I'm banning your
huge male ego. Now I'll take your cock. I will
(52:01):
take that, but I'm banning you thinking that you are
in control period of me. I want to ban all
men who think that they have the right to have
control over women's by period love. Okay, okay, gorge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
My name is Jarrof Wallow, and if I was the
leader of the world, I would ban anyone and anything
that is bigoted. Oh so, and this is how i'd
ban it too. I'm let's say I'm leader of the
free world. You're homophobic, hung in the town square, Yes,
you're a transphobic. Death by lethal injection. I was like,
(52:41):
in fact, I'll ban it so severely that I'll start
coming up with creative ways to kill you. I'll be
like death by hounds, death by shark, Like, I'm gonna
get real creative and start tossing in volcanoes something like that.
So if I were you, when I come to power,
you better hide if you're a bigot, because first offense dead,
first offense dead, dead dead, You're all fucking dead. I'm
(53:04):
gonna kill you all. And I'm not talking about marginalized
people when they joke about each other. We all know
what bigotry really is, so truly tried and true bigotry.
You're gonna die when I come to power. Then that's
a promise, not a threat. Thank you very much, your honor.
We did it, look at a so we did it, sister.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
This was fun.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I love when I meet me, me too, I promise you.
I love when I meet me.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's like it's like we're so in love with ourselves. God,
I would love to say, really quick before we cut,
I would love to say, I think you are a
fucking icon. I have admired you forever, well before I
started doing this. I think you're so so so integral
(53:56):
to any sort of representation that happens out side of
any sort of your centry, peace center. You are a
fucking trailblazer. It's an honor to be in your presence
and to be your twin. Thank you. But it's an
honor to be on your show. I just think you're
fucking amazing, and I was so excited to come meet you.
I think you're the best.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I receive it. I receive am so glad.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'm so happy you came me too.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I'm so happy that we are sisters.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Me too, you are, and I knew it. I had
a feeling you knew it. I was like, I just
know she's just like me.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes, exactly, Listen. I love everything about you. I want
you to make sure that you're good to that man,
because when you find somebody that can put up with us.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Girl, don't I know it, keep them, even when I've
seen old pictures of us when he's like doing shit
just because he loves me. I remember one time I
was get a picture and I go, God, that man
loves me so much.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, keep it. I love him back. And also make
sure that you cut, slice, stab maime, and kill any
bitch that thinks that they can take that place.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Oh period.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
And we're also I know that you will throw him
in the trash.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah. Oh yeah, girl. He's my dog, that my cat
that I let out the house people want, the neighborood.
He always comes home, you know what I mean? I'm like, Oh,
don't worry about him. He doesn't have a color. It's fine.
He'll come back.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Fuck him if you like. But girl, we we'll do. Now.
You can put him, but he's not gonna go in
your house. I can promise you that trust because I
put a spell on that dick.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Exactly. I fixed that mail you goddamn fucking right, and
it's right between my legs.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I don't fixed that mail box, so I know it.
They'll be missed with that's a color purple line. Listen,
thank you, thank you for having me. It was just
for being here.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
I appreciate you. We need voices like this from.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Fist exactly. Imagine I got offended right there. God, thank you.
Oh my god, I kind of goddamn camera off.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Damn Yes, thank you. Did you enjoy it? Mama. Outlaws
is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts
and Turtle Run Entertainment. Come created by Tyler Rabinowitz and
Olivia Peace. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are executive
(56:13):
produced by Tyler Rabnowitz, Maya Howard, and Tis Madison. Our
supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are Joey
Pat and Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz
and our sound editor is Jes crientchicch Our associate producer
is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
(56:33):
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Montinea. Got You Next Week, Honey,
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