Gigi Gorgeous: The Transsexual Authority

Today, TS Madison is joined by YouTube royalty– actress, model, philanthropist, and mother of 3 (cats), Gigi Gorgeous!

Maddie starts the conversation by coaching Gigi on how to talk her shit! She IS that bitch! The pair talk about the early days of YouTube, and how being in the right place at the right time led to Gigi’s iconic billboard on Sunset Boulevard. Maddie talks about admiring Gigi as one of the ORIGINAL rich trans girls on the Internet, and seeing her as a model of success early on in both of their careers.

But it’s not all LA sunshine and lipgloss– Maddie and Gigi get into the nuances of being trans icons, from the competition within the community to the pressures to be the perfect role model to the extra barriers trans women of color must face. The girls get into navigating dating, chasers, and how the community keeps itself safe!

We get a glimpse into some key moments in Gigi’s life– including how she went from being a diving champion to a makeup guru, her villain era as what she dubbed “the city gardener”– and of course, being detained and nearly imprisoned in Dubai. 

And for the first time in “Outlaws” history, for Ban it, Bitch, we’re banning a ban: Gigi says young broke trans girls deserve the right to shoplift!

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
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a job ricking Honey, rick Hoon chasing it all. I'm

(00:28):
black like that about living. It's color easy. This is
Outlaws with TS Medicine as an on Honey's own. Is
this thing recording? What's something? Y'all? This is your Tis
medicine coming to you loud, live and in color from

(00:49):
the Outlaws podcast with Tears Medicine. Now, I want you
to know that this podcast would not be any of
the podcast without with this with Ts Madison. Okay, bitch,
because listen, there's only one Outlaw that has not got
locked up yet, and it's me. Anyway, today, I'm here
with a special guest who I have watched, who I

(01:11):
have admired, who I have watched her transition. I've watched
her journey on the internet for a very long time.
I think that we were kind of all out around
the same time. But I'm going to let her get
into that, Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, Mis Gigi,
gorgeous Gigi. Listen, I want to say my very first

(01:36):
introduction to you was when you were transitioning, and as
a girl who's been on YouTube for a very long
time myself, I watched you a transition and I also
watched them drop a huge billboard for you.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
In La right right on Santa Monica.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, it was so big, like and I don't live here.
I used to come out here just to the stuff
I was doing with Wild Presents. And this is before
I even became a judge on Drag Race. I saw
they had a huge billboard for you on the side
of the building and I was I remember riding in
the car with the producers in the World one and
I was like, well, why can't I'm gonna be honest
with yeah, get it, get it. Being honesty, I said, well,

(02:18):
why can't we do anything like this for me? And
this is YouTube gave you that that big, gigantic promotion,
and I said, well, why can't we doing anything like
this for me? Like why can't this kind of stuff happen?
And they was like, well, we don't know, we don't
know how to do this stuff. I want to know
how in the freaking hell did all of that stuff happen.
But before we jump into that, I want to say

(02:40):
from the top of the show. There's a segment of
our show it's called talk your Shit. Okay, now in
this segment, In this segment, it's time for you to
talk your shit. It's like who you are, what you do,
what are you proud of? This is your moment to
shine and don't hold back. And this is an introduction
to people did because I mean, there's I don't know

(03:02):
how there's people that don't know who you are. But
oh girl, this is how a classic host.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
This is Lineman.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, I'm serious because you on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah yeah, you had two of us. Yeah yeah, but
you had billboards and ship. Okay, so it's wild. So
how that came about? You want to talk about that
right now?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
No, we'll talk about that. I want you to talk
your ship and then we'll get it. Like, tell them
my name is Gigi Gorgeous and I'm the bitch. My
name is GG Gorgious. I'm not good at that.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I don't really like talking about myself, but I will,
but I will for you.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm GG Gorgeous. I'm not bitch. I'm like mimicking what
you said.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Take two.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm GG gorgeous. I'm that bitch. You see me on
Sunset Boulevard, on that big billboard. I've written two books,
one of which with my best friend, got Mec. I
am an actress, model and everything you've ever dreamed of.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Was that enough talking shit? Yeah? Great?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Can you talk yours?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I don't know how to do it. You want to
show you how to do it? That was so like weak, bitch.
I am TS medicine, honey, I am loud love and
in color. I am an Emmy, a Grammy and all
the type of winning. A TS that means transsexual, honey.
If you don't know what the fuck that means, go
to google, bitch and find out. Honey. I've been on everything.
I've been in porn, I've been in theater, I've been

(04:20):
in film. Honey, I've been under your bed, bitch. I
am that girl. Bitch. I've made all types of money,
and I've lost it all and made it back again
because I'm a libra and that's what libras fucking do.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, okay, okay, will you will you talk my shit
for me?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well? I mean you do it. I don't know how
all that. Just wrap it up and do it again, bitch.
My name is Gigi gorgeous. Okay, okay, got bitch.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
My name is Ggi Gorgeas. I have never done porn yet,
but don't you wish that I would? Just like my
icon ts Madison. Uh huh, you better clock that.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Catch that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Author, actress, model, philanthropist and mom of three cats. And
here is my next legacy, this podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Meow did you say mom of three cats?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So you have three pussies?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I deal and not four, not four, never four, just
three pussy three pussies.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
So let's talk about it. I want to talk about
so you haven't had it? How deep can we go?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh? We can go all the way?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, good?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, I'm an open buck, me too. I just talked
about my laby of plasty. Great, so let's talk that
I never have. Can I ask about the nails? Well,
we've always wondered.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, well, I keep short because I have to take
I wear contexts. Oh keep because I thought it was
dirtier than that. Well I don't finger boys, Well, I
just that's even a little long for I don't want
a finger boys. I want I always thought they were
broken when I see them on This is because I
take my count I opened my eye like this, and
then I stick my hand and get the content. Go
lay sick. You never do lay seck no, because it's

(05:56):
my vision is too bad. Now this will not singer
A boy with this one is yeah that's round. Yeah,
that has no problem. But I really don't like fingering boys.
People think I'm the top? Do you?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think that you give off top energy? Why?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Because you're just really aggressive And no, not not aggressive,
you're just assertive. Like I feel like you just give
off like you command the room. Well, you never really know,
though you can't touch it by that. I'm a I'm
a verse bottom, verse bottom. Okay, who isn't are you?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah? Of course? So being that your verse bottom, do
you still have your cock? Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I do.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Only we can say anything here, Oh my god, I've
never only Here's how I feel. I feel like that
only another trans person can speak to another trans person
about surgery. Yeah, genitalia, especially the genitalilor stuff like that. Yeah, listen,

(06:58):
because we understand. How how are we supposed to protect
each other when it comes down to stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, unless there's an underrooted hatred because of it. Because
a lot of trans girls can be you know, hateful.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Have you had those experiences? Oh of course tell me
about Oh god, just.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
The competition within the community is so real, don't you think, yes,
like it's just like you did this, I should have
gotten this. You're not passable enough, or you're not fully transitioned.
I'm put for anyone who's not watching, I'm putting quotes
up like every there's a lot of like, there's a
lot of competition, don't you think a lot?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
But Gigi, I have to say this, and I have
to say this from a place of being on the
outside looking in. You are a beautiful white woman m
hm than a beautiful white woman. We black girls were
looking at you transition in front of us, and then
we also saw you have like these billboards and all

(07:55):
these these things, and it's like, well, how can I
get that?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
And I think that at times like they shut us
out as black girls and black creators, that they shut
us out, and they because they didn't see the value
in us. So I wouldn't want you to think that
or take it as a place of like the competition
from some sort. It's just it was also a place
of like how do we get into these spaces? Like

(08:20):
how do we do this too.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I want to say.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I want to say I'm very happy that we're talking
about this, because you know what, I felt so like
I have imposter syndrome beyond and I know as a
trans woman, as a trans woman speaking to one, it
is this imposter syndrome that just spirals us. You know,
how do we get in the room. If we get
in the room, what do we do? And with a

(08:44):
personality like yours and with the privilege that I have, Yeah,
it's easier for people like us. But I can't relate
on your level at all. And I will let you
know when that billboard. Okay, So YouTube they launched YouTube, yeah,
and they said we're going to do a few movies,
yours being our documentary.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
We're going to have like a whatever. I don't even know.
I think they started with three or something.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Then they got like Justin Bieber, Demi, Lovado, Paris, Hilton
came out years later.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
It was very much like a chance that they threw
on me.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
So I think the budget was really high and I
think it was a very perfect storm because they told
me it was going to be so many months that
my billboards were going to be up, and it was
New York, La, Australia, it was everywhere, and then you know,
months later, I was like, oh, it's going to be
coming down now, and I lived close to there, so
I would.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Drive by obviously to see myself.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
How fun.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And then it never came down and it was months
and months and months because they put so much promo
back in it, and I think it was just right place,
right time. I think the trans narrative and storytelling really
wasn't there in that way on YouTube, it doesn't matter
about gender or.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Or race.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's literally about storytelling. Then then it did then exactly
right place, right time, perfect storm. Yes, now it would
never be like that, but yeah, it was definitely not
about that. I think race wouldn't have played a factor.
I think I was just they believed in me. They
gave me a chance, and because it was a new
leg of their brand that they were they were launching,

(10:22):
I just fit.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
It was the right place, right time, and I had.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
All mind you.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I also had like years and years and years of
my stocked footage, so I gave that over to them.
So I did the work for them, and then you know,
we filmed a bunch more edited and stuff, but like
I was like, this is my project, Like I was
pitching it to sell it to them.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because that was basically your very that was your TV show.
It was my that was your TV show, self made
TV show show. Yeah, we watched you transition. We watched
you documentary store. I remember I remember sitting at home
watching you take a hormone shot.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Oh gag, I film that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I saw you taking a hormone I forget. I watched
you do that. I watched you travel, I watched you,
I watched you live your life. Like you know, you
were one of the examples of like rich transgirl.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I love that because that was not always the case,
but that's but you were.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
The example of like rich trans girl. Like like if
you if you were a transgirl and you know, like
the names were Gigi, Gorgeous, Mimi Marks, you know, shit,
like who else? That's right?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, you see the silence, Yeah, it's like who it's deafening.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Then I come along and then I'm the first black
transittor woman to executive producer start in her own reality
TV show on we TV. You get the questions of.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Why why yep, why, Yeah exactly, I think it's I
think it's important.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
To note that.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I also feel like you have opened so many doors,
like you are a trailblazer in so many ways.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But we saw you, we saw me, but it's just
like it's.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
So different though it is you broke it down and
it really is.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Is, but it becomes like why because then after it
happens and you you be on this roller coaster of
of up and downs of like like, hey, I trailblaze,
I did this, and then then you to speak to
what you said earlier, then your own community starts bashing
you in what way? It's like, well, why aren't you

(12:33):
the perfect role model for it?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Like you need to be the truth speaker, aren't you
the Like why aren't because you're living it, like why
aren't you polished? Or why why are you giving back?
So you've at the time I couldn't you were receiving
these types of things too.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Absolutely, I think you never really know what somebody is
going through. I think that's very like you know, tacky
to say, but you genuinely never do. Yeah, I think
you could see somebody think that they're fucking iconic and
they're famous, and they have a billboard and they have
a TV show, whatever the fuck it may be. They
might be miserable, they might be broke, they might be lonely,

(13:12):
they might be suicidal, and you don't know that it's
what you're seeing. So I think, you know, to perpetuate
this like you know, glamorous life and just like you know,
it helps the community, but it might hurt the person.
You don't know what someone is going through, is what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
So I want to tell you Like for me, like
when my show first came out, I wanted the black
media for me to be extremely supportive of me. I
wanted the black media to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Were they not.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
A lot of black media was not supportive. Why well
I'm black in trance, but like you're everything. Yeah, But
to tell you see, here's the thing. What people don't understand.
When we get into this system of fighting against racism,
we find against sexism. We're fighting against all the isms,
fighting all the fucking ism. Yeah, people don't understand. Like

(14:07):
when you're really deep into this stuff and you become
like the first this it sounds good and it feels
good to be like, hey, I'm breaking in a door.
But then it's like people are dragging you and then
you want support from your own people. And they said,
oh you're oh you're trains. We don't right, we were
not going to touch that. Yeah, but I'm like, but

(14:30):
I'm black, and like this is black history, Like what
are we doing here? You know what I heard?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I heard a quote by one of my very good girlfriends,
Lena Bradford and New York.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Do you know her? I'm might you definitely do.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
He's everything. She's sickening. She we were listening to something.
I believe Lena, if you're listening, I know you well
after I send this to you. I don't know if
this is correct, but she said to me we were
talking about something and she was like, I think I
slipped up and said I was the first to do that.
And she she is a black, black woman, and she said,

(15:05):
you were never the first. You were the first of
this time. So if anyone's pinning you on, oh you
were the first, I could say about myself, yourself, were
the first trans people.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
To build this and do this. It's not true. There
were trailblazers before us.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, so never take first, right, no, no, no pay
homage or just don't say first at all.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Well, I mean shit, I mean but when but when
you look at the records, we were probably the first
on record to do the things.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
In this time.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
This time.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
They were brave people back then as well, you know.
So it's like, don't take all.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That to stand on the shoulders of these people. But yeah, exactly.
But still we want publications and things like that so
that we know about those people and we know about
each other. This is why this type of stuff is important,
like this podcast, like you existing openly, out loud and
in color, me existing opening open and out loud and
in color. Because we were able to speak the names

(16:00):
of the people that who's backs that we stand on,
We're able to talk about and and and and and
you know, elevate those people and be like, hey, you know, yeah,
we're the first to get TV shows, but there were
girls that that trade, that that blaze the trail before us.
But we are reaping the benefits of the things that,

(16:21):
you know, but still we get publications and stuff that
don't want to talk about that. So I want to
ask you when when all that stuff was going on
with YouTube read and all this stuff. I don't want
to say in your community, but as a as a
as a as a as a white woman, a white
drench woman. How was the support for you when it

(16:44):
came down to how your fame exploded over because you
you your fame exploded Like I saw you on on MTV.
Oh yeah, I saw you. Like these are things that
I said at home and watched. Yeah, because you know
when it said trance, there was Gigi gorgeous, there was

(17:04):
Mimi Marks, there was Laverne Cox, there was like the girls,
there were that they that they gave the opportunities to
be on TV. Yeah, they hadn't given me those TV
opportunities yet. So I was home watching these things like, okay,
so how how were you received in the community, Like
how were you received? Like how was it like? Because

(17:26):
I can tell you from me it was a gift
and a curse. It was yea, why her, she's done porn? Right?
Why her? She's s suck dicks on tape? She's did this?
Like that that doesn't represent me. That's she's not classy enough,
she's not clear. And like I'm watching this and like, hey,

(17:48):
that was we all have an origin story, so we'll
just don't get it right.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I will say, I think you know, going going back
before all of that, when I was a competitive professional diver,
I was like national champion in my country of Canada.
And then when I stopped Yeah you Arendian Toronto. Yeah yeah.

(18:15):
So I stopped that and my family thought I was crazy.
Like they were like, oh, you know, back then, he's
lost it, Like this is like this was what you know,
our child was supposed to do with their life.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I stopped that, and.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Then I started YouTube and started makeup, and you know,
they thought it was crazy. You know, everyone has doubts
when you're doing something different than the norm. So when
I got a little bit of success and my you know,
parents saw a little bit of money coming in and
they saw that, oh, this is actually like financially amazing

(18:49):
for our child. You know, they obviously don't want to
do college or go to school whatever, like this is great.
It kind of proved them wrong. And then when it
got even bigger. I think I think success silences people's thoughts.
So I think that friends, parents, family members, chosen family, whatever,
if they have something negative to say, if you're successful

(19:11):
and you're famous, they will shut their mouths and comply
very quickly because they're like, oh, she's living it's working.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Because they think the payoff for them is coming.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That never happened.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
But they will be like, oh, she's fine, she has notoriety,
she's like well known, famous, whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
My cousin.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, exactly all that. But before, weren't you hating on
me two years ago? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
What was that? Right?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Where were you then?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And I think that happens a lot in people's minds subconsciously.
But a lot of people who hate on trans people,
like I'm sure you have many stories like.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
This, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
So when all all the billboards and the success happened
that I've been working years for silently, quietly, with no money,
just a dream. Uh, that paid off And then I
was like, Okay, now you believe in me. Now you
see it. And I feel like a lot of people
just don't see it that way.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
They don't because listen, you know they started talking god,
oh my god, Madison. They kind of started talking to
me after the Beyonce thing happened for me. Okay, like
they started that, Yeah that big time. That's like me
on crack, yeah it's Beyonce. It's like, yeah, let's talk
about It's like right, like I've been popping before Beyonce

(20:36):
slid over here. That's why Beyonce came here because she knows.
She knows what she knows, she knows who does she
go tell? She knows this is pop culture. She knows this. Like,
so y'all may have been overlooking, but the Queen Mother
sees and she knows. And so now you want to
talk to me, Like, now let's have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Isn't that the worst part?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's crazy? It is so you've experienced all of the
things too, Like I think what needs to happen with us,
like all of us that are trans stars, Like I
think that we do need to sit down and just
like really talk talk about how this ship works and
how it happens from all different areas of the spectrum.
Like because they're girls that out this job. I want

(21:18):
to be like Gigi gorgeous or I want to be
like a Tsmas and I want to And it's like,
you don't know how my knees have been drugged through
the ground, and how my elbows are scraped up, and
how I've had to you know, fight off darts and
bullets and knives from my people that's supposed to love me.
They're supposed to. You know, you don't know what I've
been through to be where I am right for you

(21:39):
to say, well, I admire this, I love this, and
oh my god.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, it goes back to you never know what someone's
going through and you always admire the finished product. Everybody
who's been in the limelight, they they're not They're not plucked.
There are child stars who are very mentally unwell. They
are people like us who have worked very hard and
lived many lives. And then are you know, thrust into
the spotlight. There's many thrust or are their babies come

(22:07):
on thrust? Do you have to at this, even at
this point in your career, do you have to? Do
you feel the weight of responsibility of like I gotta
watch what I say? Oh of course, yes, well, especially
now I feel like with cancel culture and all that stuff.
Even though it's like kind of like lol funny, Like

(22:28):
I have a sense of humor. I could take any joke.
I'm not very easily offended, but I know people are.
But at the same time, it's like, we gotta let
the pendulum swing back, let's have fun again. Yeah, you know,
I think we're getting there well.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Which brings me to my next part of the show.
It's called the villain era.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Okay, Oh, it's clearly your favorite. Yeah, sip of my
white claw. So now let's get into your villain era.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay. You know, every outlaw gets labeled a villain at
some point, and often when you were just trying to
live our truth and do our best. Your villain era
could be a time you stop people pleasing, a time
you stood up for yourself, and maybe you made a mistake,
and maybe you did something that sparked some controversy, or
maybe the world just simply wasn't ready for you. What

(23:29):
was your villain era and what did you learn from it?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Oh my god, I probably should have looked at these
questions before.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, listen, you were the one of the worst villains
here girls, So listen. It's like you said, now telling
your sister bitch, you remember that time I did such
a said I'm like girl, yes, girl, Oh my god.
But when I've told such and such a suck my
dick from the bag, you know, stuff like that, that's
really well, is that villain?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I mean, it all depends if it's it's who you
told hello, Hello, and I whereabouts? Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I have many villain eras.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But like, give me one and one that you learn from.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I okay, So I think right after you transition, this
is probably my biggest one. I would say personally, after
you transition, you are in this new body. You're in
this new people are perceiving you different. You're wearing you know, girls'
clothes all the time, You're going by different names.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I had a lot of travel at that time.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I was working a lot, and all of my friends
were back home in Toronto where I was born and raised,
so or born in Montreal, but yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Of them are there.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
And I was like, oh, going to New York for
three days, going to LA for five days, and.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I was like a hoe And I feel like I
can't blame myself.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You're garden. I was a hoe, a back ho the
most expensive back home or maybe even the cheapest. I
don't know, I don't know which one. You were just
a raking it up, girl, raaking I was the city's gardener,
kick girl. K So what happened to me?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
It was why there is many years where I was
just not really appreciating myself. I was just doing, you know,
bad things, going about running about and I wouldn't do
it again. But I wouldn't change that for the world
because now I know, you know. But I feel like
when you're in to get into like the psychology of
it all. I feel like when you're in a new body,

(25:30):
you almost feel reborn. And I always used to joke
with my friends and myself and be like I was
I transitioned last year. I'm only one years old. I
have so many more years to go. So it was
like the world was my oyster. And I feel like
at some times there was like you know, dangerous situations
where it could have gotten violent and scary. Thankfully it

(25:53):
never really crossed a line, but that is definitely I
feel like I was in my like devilish slut whore era.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You were walking in places and you were you were,
you were, you were giving passing like bitch, I'm the fish.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
And then even if not, it was like manipulative and
like weird and yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think we are trans Girls tend to when we
find an era area of our realness. We tested.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yes, Oh it's like how far can we go?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, Because I made some confessions to a friend the
other day, like I was like girl, like now I
didn't say growl to him.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I just like, bitch, bitch, you know what's your villain era?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
How do you share it? I have so many? Do
you what what's one like you? Yeah? You know I
read bitches to the floor, okay, and so I've said
all types of ship and so they're like nasty, nasty, nasty.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But I only like, don't come for me. Yeah, I
won't read you, read you unless you make me read.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
You, So don't come for me. But I've definitely went to.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
The floor that's giving actual true villain.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, Like I've went to the floor with a motherfucker
and I don't and I've actually stayed on the floor
with him. I've rolled around like a pig in the mud,
rolling around with their ass like bitch. You know, I'm
not gonna stop until I've said the last one. Yes,
it's giving a villain, Yes, you know. But I want
to talk about because I want to piggyback off of
what you said, because I know that I not see

(27:17):
people out there that are watching may not understand this.
But let let me let us break it down as transmitmen.
When we transition and we find the area of a
time that we're real pussy and we start tiptoing out
to be like you're still in not era. I'm yeah,
yeah you too, but we getting there and we were
pussy and were like should I tell him? Right?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's the villain era, But that's what I gathered from
you telling me when you got your new body? Oh
oh yeah, duh, yeah you got your new body? Should
I tell him? Uh huh? Or should I just let
him friend next to me?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
No, just when I'm like, he's following me to the car,
he's one, he's wanting a diamond, he's sitting in me
drinks he's Should I tell him?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Right right?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'm getting ready to give him a nice good blow jup?
Should I tell him?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Is that the delusion within us though, to be like
we are killing it? Or do they know the whole time?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's the gag. It is the gag because I'm like,
he had no idea and it's like girl pool that
dick out let me. Literally, I'm like, it's I confess
my son. You mean like, oh my god, what transgenders? Like,
what dick are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah? I was one?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know, there there's been there's been many times like that.
There's been many.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Times like that, I thought I fooled him, and the
whole time he's just waiting.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
But let me tell you this, this is the gig.
This is this is how, this is how the training
chasers catch us. Uh huh, just have caught us because
what they do is they play on they play on
those I wouldn't say those are insecurities of us, but
I do think that it's a little bit because it's.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Like giving over compliments. Yeah, like doing that, and then
you're such small shoulders.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, oh my god, you're so beautiful like those little
like wait a minute, wait, and then they have smaller
ears of your features. So literally this is so this
is your back is still tiny, You're natural phares are
so feminine, oh my god. Or you're just like, god,
you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
And that's ow. I'm a fantasy, I'm a goddess.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
All this ship right, And then we're over here saying
in our minds, in our minds, do he know the tea?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
And we're like, of course he's saying all this stuff
because I'm really pretty, but like, of course, oh my god, of.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Course on these things. I was I've been working on
this for the last six months.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right, of course, I just my f fs, I just
got my staples out.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Of course, I'm of course, bitch, I'm sick. Mean, yes,
of course.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Meanwhile, he's like hinting, like, you're a beautiful unicorn mermaid.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Mermaid, and I'm gonna suck your d you castrated her
now because it's still warm. Yea exactly, you know. And
then you get back to the hotel and then y'all
doing the thing, and then all of a sudden he's like, wait,
what is that?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, don't act and.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's like, you know, and then later on they tell you,
like down the line, like girl, you're not as soft
as you thought, Like after you after you don't wore
him out, like girl, you're getting me bricked out, Like bitch,
you it's really you are really brick and mortar, brick
and mortar, you're girl. Then you need another hormone shot. Girl,
I've seen someone that's prettier than you and you, wait
a minute, bit, you just made me think I was

(30:24):
the god. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Or when they hook up with your friend and they
tell you about it, you've had that happen. I've had
that happen. That's when I never wanted to take it back.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Sister. This is what I tell my one of one
of my friends. We have like very deep conversation, and
he says to me, well, Madison, why don't you like
men that that are deeply into trans women? I said,
I don't like men that are deeply into trans women
because I don't want to be a part of their story. Right.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh, and there's it's a very small circle.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
They say LA is small, they say New York is small,
big cities. The trans community is very small, very it's
literally as as small as you're broken down.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
My broken nail one, that one, that one. And it's
just like every girl knows everything.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Girl, Listen, I can when I want to know about
a gentleman, I can call even over to your house
and be like, Gray, have you ever seen this port
right here?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Right? Look at his Instagram page real quick? Do you
recognize that?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Do you know him?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh goodness been and you can run down his whole
car fax.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's why. Because trans goes talk too, we communicate with
each other. Yeah, so you know, so don't think that
because Gigi lives in Oh, she's from Toronto, and I'm
from Miami and I live in Atlanta and she lives
in la.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
We know a lot of the transgirls from all over
the world. Yes, I know that you buy trans.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Girls like don't think that we couldn't make a call
to do Bay when you went on a trip and
know that you went over there and you fucked one
of us.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's Instagram DM, that's I It's that simple.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Uh huh? And you get the read are you a
girl's girl? And if not, then we find out that
you're bottoming with them girls? And you didn't give me
any of your box. How dare you any commission? Yeah,
you've been over here trying to treat me like a lady, honey,
and you know that your legs are behind your ears,
honey after twelve before six, pay.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Me to keep my mouth shut? Yes, or at least
you could do or or.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I told I also told my friend. I said, what
needs to be studied is the relationship that we have with.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
God.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
No, not God, that's that's coming, Okay, it's the relationships
that we have with athletes.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Okay. So I've never been with an athlete that.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Told you that they were athletes. I think I would
know now their body gird. Do you watch sports now,
we wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I would google.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I google though. Well, that's how I've got gotten a
couple of times because I didn't know that they were.
I just thought they were. If you've been with there,
you girl, you know I'm not gonna tell that stuff
on what's part baseball football, baseball, football, basketball, basketball. Yes,
I'm so big where they need me to be Hello.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Circle back burst bottom circle back.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
So so so in the industry of like television and stuff,
because I know we all have stories, factors and the
things that we don't say anything about. We don't say
anything about this stuff because that's the that's the unspoken
rule of the contract. The what else is it? The
contracts binding and completely unbreakable.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
That's what I was. That's what I came here for,
even for you that.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
So you go about the contract like the quiet contract.
But it's like we're not keeping we're not going by
you being DL or we're keeping your secret. It's just
like you, you know, this is something that we're doing privately,
right and because we're doing this privately, as long as
you don't hurt me, you'll never have to worry about
this weapon this this being weaponized against you. Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Strangely enough, I really haven't had many like contractual like
verbal contractual hookups or situation chips. I've definitely had people
in my past that I've dated that I've known that
I was a secret but it was like it was unverbal,
but a lot of the time it was like very

(34:18):
spoken of, like when I was on the dating apps.
This is like my biggest tip for like any trans
girl that's on dating apps, like put it in your header,
like I am transgender. I think that that's just safe
because you never know what the fuck people are up to. Crazy, right,
So yeah, that's how I've always operated.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
But you have had secret lovers, girl, definitely, because listen,
I'm telling you, I know you have because you know
one of them. I've had men talking about me and
saying like why don't It's like girl, wow, now we
aren't gonna do that here, jose would now, well, I'm

(34:58):
saying no, it's like why don't you We have a
billboard on the side of the building, like she has
ill like why don't you, like why is this going on?
Like we like you're not You're not that you're not
this any other like girls.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
You're not what white?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah? What is that too? But it's just like beautiful
that like that, like what, well, where's your billboard? Correct?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You're not that.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's like, bitch, you ain't daddy though exactly, not even clothes.
Don't make me feel bad about myself. W ain't daddy
the motherfucker that's terrible. So you know that kind of
stuff happens, you know, Yeah, of course, and like listen
and here's to the to the young trans girl watching this,
I want you to know, we girls are old, are older.

(35:42):
She's younger than me, but we're older.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
But the same age. Okay, yes we are, we're twins.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
And but we've been there, done that. So if a
guy is over there rubbing your tits and rubbing your
ass and telling you that they want to say, just
rubbing your your tits and everything you're and telling you
that you're not on our level, don't feel bad about
no type of shit like that because they use it.
Those are those are those are tactics to break you down.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, exactly, And that's uh, that's one thing my ex,
one of my exes said to me, He said, do
you know how lucky you are to have me date
you openly with you being openly trans. You know that's
not normal, Like a lot of people would not date you.
You know that, right, And in that moment, I was like,

(36:29):
I think I hate him. I think I hate him
because it's it's not it's not a representation of you.
It's to make you feel bad, to belittle you. And
that's how mental warfare happens, mental abuse. They break you down,
they break your confidence down.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And after that, I was like, anyone would be fucking
lucky to be with me, like I'm a fucking got
it honest, like hello, But like for him to do
that and for me to believe.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
It was all in his plan, so you had like
a mental whole. It was an awakening. It was like
I can never feel like this about myself again, because
like this is low, this is dark.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Wow, Yeah, I think because I had always felt that
and I felt truth to that, and he played on
one of your triggers. Yep. I think that we've all
been been to a place like that with the gentleman
like bitch, I'm a bitch, I'm out with you in public.
It's like mother, you should feel so lucky. Now, motherfucker,
are you crazy? Him out with you in public? You
getting my tea clocked? People are like, who's she getting

(37:31):
my tea clock?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's literally catcha catcha Like uh huh.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Oh my god. So so I'm listening to you say this,
so it makes me feel like that you want to
champion something. So the next section of our show is
called Rebel with a Cause. Now, this show is called
Outlaws for a reason. An outlaw or pariah in our

(37:56):
culture is often someone who ironically has their heart in
the right place, someone with the courage to speak up
and stand out and push back when it matters to most. Now,
the guests on my show, the Outlaws, are some of
the voices of our time. They are rebel hearts who
are challenging the status quo and making a difference. So
tell me about a cause you care deeply about and

(38:17):
how can others join the movement.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
My gut goes too because of like our political climate.
Oh god, you know, I really felt so free when
I had my gender marker and name change approved. So
that's a cause that I feel really really passionate about.
I really feel like every trans person you know who's

(38:42):
truly full throttle trans and they really really do want
to make the change and be, you know, change their marker.
I think it's very very fulfilling, and it's easier on
everybody if it's just filled and changed.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
So speaking of that, Yeah, you got jammed up. What
country was that? Dubai Dubai do baye, Dubai bye? And
they had you trapped over there?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
He did? It was so scary.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh my god, how long were you trapped in Dubai?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I was trapped there for well, inevitably like the whole
night because I had to stay at the airport, but
they wouldn't let me through. The scariest part was the
guy at TSA TS the Transsexual Authority, the transactual She
probably chase chased her beyond what the fuck do you

(39:36):
know me before you even check my passport?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
By oh, she was giving me eyes like five people down.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
So it was a it was a woman.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
It was a guy.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I was like hi, like let me get through.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
And I had like little short coral nails on and
like a fucking camo hoodie, my short hair, natural hair,
no makeup. It was like a twelve hour flight from
Toronto and he clocked me. I knew it, and he
knew who I was. I knew he did, but famous,
but I was so incognito, like it was like wild, but.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Gig, you had to remember you are famous. People have
watched you. YouTube is a place that everybody has, even
even a person. If a person doesn't have a television sit,
they have something to lock onto YouTube.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Right. Well, clearly she had known me, yes, and so
she was looking.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
She had probably watched you because I watched you give
yourself a hormone shot.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, I don't even remember that. That's wild.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
It was always like in your first parts of I've
seen you do it. Yeah, and so yeah, so he
clocked it.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
It was you.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
He clocked the tea.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
He started speaking not English, and I was like, oh,
I'm fucked, Like you just catch the vibes. I think
that's another superpower we have as trans women the tea
is we really clock the energy in the.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Room, Like I sniffed it out. Definitely.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I was like, oh, I'm fucked, Like something is going
on right now to me.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And so this happened to the airport.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
In the airport yet like like ten minutes off of
the plane, just like through the and like you don't
need to see bags because you're going into another country. Yeah,
So he basically just told me to like go this way,
and then I was detained and put like to the
side of the airport where there was like nobody. There
was hundreds of people around me, and there was nobody

(41:23):
to the left. So we drove down, down, down, down
down the airport and I was just all alone with
this one guy. And thank god I had a greeter.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Because they say you have to have those over there.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yes, thank god, because if I was alone.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And then they took my passport and then I was
sitting outside this like two bulletproof glass room and I
was sitting on the golf cart that they drove me
down in, and I was like, I'm not going in there,
like I'm just not, like I feel unsafe. There's nobody around.
It's literally just the people in the room, my greet
and the person who just took my passport. Like I'm

(41:56):
not going in alone, Like I'm just not. You can't
make me. So I was sitting on the golf cart
and then I like obviously was calling him like bawling
my eyes out, being like I'm not being let in.
They just took my passport, so like everyone they were
on this like gorgeous boat too, like I ruined their
whole trip.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I felt so.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Bad, but they were they were like getting off the
boat and they were like buying tickets to get back
into the airport to try to meet me. And I
was just like sitting there and they basically the greeter,
my very very sweet greeter, was like so gracious, gracious
and being like so like kind and gentle with me
and being like so basically, what they're saying is like

(42:33):
you can't be male and dress up in female's clothing,
and that's what they're saying that you are. And you
need to take off your nails, you need to take
off you need to you know, dress differently. You need
to take off your make I had no makeup on.
It's like I'm sorry I have like this face, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But you know that made national news.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I know, well the thing was so after all that,
after I got my tears out, you know, there's no
tears left to cry, I was like, now I'm just mad,
Like I'm not sad anymore. I told the greeterer, I said,
is there a restaurant we can go to? I want
to like unpack my stuff, get on my laptop. TMZ
calls me and it's a number from a girl that
I know, and she was like, hey, I heard you're

(43:18):
detained in Dubai.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And I was like, how the fuck do you know that?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Like it was so like everything was happening all at once, yea,
and I was just I was answering her questions.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I was like, this is where I'm at, Yes, we
were back home. Watch I'm trying, so of course I'm
watching this stuff. You're on alert, bitch. I'm like, girl,
what the fuck is she doing? I was like, like,
wait the fuck this bitch doing over here in Dubai.
People thought I was dead. We didn't know what was
going on. We were watching this stuff like we were
watching it like transpire, and and of course to be
able to well that bitch rich, so she gonna get

(43:48):
from over this was what meant. These are my thought,
not at all, the bitch rich, So she going to
get the fuck from over there? Like, but what the
fuck was she doing there?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
It was supposed to be a fun trip.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I see trans girls go there all the time, prostitutes,
but like, is there like on their passport?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Is it female or does it say on your It says,
I'm going to see the king for but.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Like you can't go through you can't go through the
check without.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Right, No, you can't. So so they go, okay. I
remember one of my nieces, one of my trans nieces,
she went over there like she was going to work
over there, and she called me. She's like, Auntie, oh
my god, they have me detained here. And I said, well,
what happened? She said, they looked at her idea and
it said m on it. Yeah, And so she told
me that they can't and she's like curved, she's she's

(44:33):
cut boots, and so they said, like, g giry, they can't.
A woman can't touch a man there? Uh huh, like
can't you know, yeah, a man can't touch a woman.
So you were in a conundrum.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yes, yeah, it was so wild and they kept the
gag was to me after everything. Obviously there's so many gags,
But the biggest gag was they kept my passport overnight
even though I agreed to sleep in the airport hotel.
So this is like a like a Hilton or whatever,
like just like a bait like a college room, like

(45:08):
nothing slept there that night. They said, we'll give Gigi
her passport if she comes on this flight that we
booked her. So I'm waiting at the terminal at the
time that they told me, and I was like, okay,
I'll bye. By my rules, I need my fucking passport.
I go to the check in when my group is
called and they give me my passport and my boarding ticket.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
So they say they said goodbye. So they they told you,
we'll let you go, but it has to be on
a plane that we booked to get you out of here.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yes, yes, there's no plane ticket you're going to book.
We're going to do it, and we're going to hold
your passport until we see you on the gate, like
down the tunnel to go. So I was like, oh,
so obviously I made a big stir about it, and
then the government right wrote back to me and they said,

(46:01):
we would love to have that. We're so sorry about
the mix up. We would love to have you back
on a tourist trip to show you with us what
Dubai really has.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
To offer you.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
So well, because they they caught the uproar, everyone was pissed,
like because it wasn't hurting or.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Anything, but it was on the news. Now, Gigi, I
know that that was like a really traumatic experience for you,
and I want to because the girls are experiencing this
type of stuff now and they don't really understand how
a being a trailblazer that you are, that you've already

(46:39):
experienced this, experienced this type of stuff. They were trying
to really trick you into sitting foot on the sword.
Tell me about that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
One part of the story that I've never really touched
on very often or much at all is when my
family had finally gotten in the airport and we were
sitting in the lobby of the hotel. The hotel airport
it's like just like a nothing airport, just like sleep
while you have a layover or whatever. They had my
passport and we got word that I was allowed back in.

(47:12):
They said, bring her in. We know her family is here,
bring her back out through the gates. We can just
like let her out into Dubai. And the greeterer, thank god,
the only person who spoke their language Arabic, yes, and
he said, don't go. They're trying to try, they're trying
to trick you. Don't step foot on their soil because

(47:34):
then they can arrest you. So we were all being
gooped and we were I was ready to go. I
was like, oh, perfect, what a misunderstanding, Like this is
all crazy, But I guess they had gotten word through
the press and then they were trying to trick us
so they could arrest me.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And where would I have gone?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So you'd think they were going to arrest you and
your family, or they just were going to arrest you.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Probably just me, I would say, if that's my assumption,
I don't know, but I would have gone to a
male prison in a foreign country where I didn't speak
the language, and my family would have had probably absolutely
no contact with me.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
That is insane. Yeah, that they were trying to really
trick you to be like oh, yeah, well okay, it's cool.
We got our passport.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah yeah, let her come out. No passport offering. They
were like, just come come, And the greeter was like,
I would not do that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Were you tempted to do it?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I was like, I because I well, in my mind,
I had gone there for a family trip I was joining,
and I had created such a ruckus because of my transness,
and I had made all of them come because I
didn't look at the laws and everything going on. Uh
and then it was all fine.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
So I was like, let's just go.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
It's fine. They're telling us we can get out little
to find out. Wow yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
And they were going to trap you.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
It was giving if she touches soil, she will be arrested.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
My god. And this is the ship that they they're
doing now, like they're they're redoing. They're really trying to
demonize us now with our passports and our gender markers
and stuff like that, because they know that this is
something that can happen to us.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Oh yeah, they'll turn the gender marker back and really
fuck with us.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah. It was life changing for sure.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I always, even even in America, like flying just you know,
within the country or back to Canada where I grew up,
I get scared.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I'm like, am I doing everything? Okay?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
So you so it's traumatized you absolutely?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I was literally almost in prison in Dubai, Like I
can't imagine a scarier place that in that point in
my life.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I was going to make a very bad joke, say,
do you think that there would have been a lot
of uncut penises in there?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Aren't they all unc over there?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Ravishing your very demure, very mindful hole.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Out of mean surgery.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I probably would have gotten something else done after fixing
that a new.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yet again.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
But girl like, I was so blessed that I had
people arounding me, around me, surrounding me. I had family come, book,
fake tickets, come in the airport, spend the night with
me at the hotel inside the airport. If I was alone,
and God forbid your you're tortured with wrong security guard.

(50:36):
What do you think is going to happen to somebody
who's alone, who's trans and you know, needing to get
through or not having the means to have people around her.
So that's why I made a big uproar. I was like,
this cannot happen anymore. Like I didn't check the law.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I thought it was fine, but yeah, the male impersonating
female law.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, guess what, we're back in that era right now
with the new administration that's in office, aren't we. And
it's like it's it's really crazy because now that they
are really cracking down on passports and like they're really
trying to revert Did you.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
See Hunter Schaeffer, Yes, back out to me because she
needed it.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
She got a.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Temporary right then she needed renewed, but then it came
back as it is mail.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Look at her mail? Like, girl, what I'm trying to
figure out? How how are they going to police us
from going in the wrist room? How are they going
to police us from traveling? How? Like are they going
to take our blood? Are they going to take DNA samples?
Like before we do the things? Like what are they
going to do? Like what's going to happen? Like I
think that they're I think that when they think about us,

(51:42):
they're thinking of a.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Man like full beard with like a dress on. Yes,
like they think it's like scary and predatorial. So when
all we want to do in bathrooms peace is exists
and be stealth like I'm not trying to cause a scene.
I literally will like look down from girls if I'm
not glam in the airport is trying to get by.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
And I don't want your kids. I don't get the
kid away rich? Are you crazy? I don't want your kids. No,
I'm not looking at you. I'm not even looking at you.
Don't look at me.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yes, yeah, my hair is up, I'm washing my hands.
I'm getting out.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So because you're trends, I want to ask this question
and then I'm going to get to one of my
favorite segments of the show. But I need to do
this because you're here. We are girls from a different
generation of transition, so I always ask my girls that
are from our era of transition, how do you feel
about everybody now claiming the trends umbrella?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
M it's become a little trivial No.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, you can be candid, because I've been candid on
a few of the other episodes of the show.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I've been candid about this. I think it. It is
de legitimate, size legitimate.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I understand, we understand.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Okay, it brings those narratives that are true down because
you're trivialized. Trivializing it. I've had I've had a few
people in my life transition and then de transition, which
is fine. I'm not saying that's not valid, but I
think with all of these other avenues opening up, it

(53:23):
just gives people reason to want a little bit more
attention and just claim something that they aren't. For attention,
is what I'll say. But I think us, I think
I can most majority of the time clock it. I
don't want to speak out of line because it's rude, but.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Because we're trying to respect everybody. Yeah, and we do that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's not always valid though, Yeah, we do that.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
We try to respect everybody, and we try to validate
everybody's identity. We don't want to invalidate anybody's identity because
we do know. Both of us have lived our transition
lives beamed doubted, I'm sure, and publicly, like we've publicly
people have seen us, you know, go from A to Z. Yeah,
or they've seen us go from broke to rich, or

(54:12):
they've seen us talk about our transition journey somewhere if
they followed us for a long period of time. Yeah,
there's so many people that I think now that are
getting up saying, hey, I'm trans.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
For a paycheck or a storyline.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, and I think that that's what the government has
latched onto and and they've and they're demonizing like all
even though they were going to do it anyway.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, but it's just like a short period of time
at least.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It's just like a lot of that shit is like
a political portal. Yeah. And I'm like, girl, like, okay,
so you got fifty of these girls saying that they're
trans now and you're like when we were in this space,
like trans had, there were certain things that you had
to write.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
It's giving, so let's cut funding and let's not let
them do that because they're making advantage and it's the
legitimate size.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
But so you so we have kind of the same.
Do you think that we should have gate gate.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Gate? Oh my god, you forgot a word too.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Do you think we should have gate cap? I don't
think so.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I think it's onto people to catch on to.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I'm I'm always happy to share my secrets, like and
I love hearing about other transgirl secrets and like, just
like their stories. That's what got me to transition. I
met my first trans girl and I was like, bitch,
that's me who inspired you? My good my, my good
friend in New York City.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
She inspired you to become dreams.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yes, because I saw her she's trans, and I was like,
I could do that what you did. So here's my
question because I didn't know about it before.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Here's my question. Yeah, when you saw her, what did
you see?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I saw a woman?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Of course, there there we go. Of course that's what
I was. That's what I've been waiting on. Do you
saw a woman?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I saw a woman.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
You saw gorge soul. No, not just beauty, soul, you
so gorgeous. You saw you saw beauty, you saw soul,
you saw.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
The complete package over oh, essence of a woman.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I was like, this is a girl.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
And you know, we can all get into vanity and
we can all get into proportions and all that bullshit.
But at the end of the day, I was like,
this is a woman, and I want like that's what
I've always been searching for. So, you know, I had
to fight my way into being trands as well. But
it sucks when people claim it as kind of like

(56:35):
a little like label that's like buzzwordy, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
So I kind of think I know where you're gonna
go with this next?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Is this your favorite one?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yes? Gag? Okay, so my next favorite segment of the show.
It's called ban it Bitch. Now, some people are out
here banning drag shows, LBGTQ, books and even our very existence.
But we're flipping the script. What's something you would ban

(57:08):
if you ran the world?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
My God, think about it, God, think about it.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Here's how this works. We each get one minute to
make our case for what needs to go. So let
me kick it off and show you how it's done. Ready.
My name is ts Madison, and I want to ban
men who play on the intelligence of trans women. I

(57:34):
want to ban motherfucking men who try to get up
under our skirts and try to play on every insecurity
that we have. I want to ban men who take
the time out to give us compliments only to hold
those compliments to tear us down later on. I want
to ban men who think that we are, that they

(57:54):
are gifts to us, thinking that because they're out with
us and motherfucking public, that they are God's gift to us. Bitch,
we were grand girls before we met you, honey, bitch,
we are in the words of Beyonce, let me upgrade you,
motherfuck up.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
You are not.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Motherfucking the reason why I'm the sickening girl that I
am because you're walking down the street with me, You're
out of pumble with me, You're holding my hand, but
you're feeding me off off off the plate. Girl. It
is not that because we're together, bitch. It is that
because I exist, honey. I want to ban all of
those thoughts of grandeur as a man, that, honey, that
I exist because you do.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
No.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I exist because the creator made me be the bitch
that I am today, and that is the everlescing, god
stopping ts fucking Madison bitch. I ban you trade, I
ban you. Oh my god, that was so good. I
like that because I was like, what part of that
that we said? You stole mine? Well, girl, go back.

(58:52):
You can listen add to it if you need to.
You sat up with what do I add?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Not everything? So you know what you can ban, like
like ban them clocking you in the airport and then
or acting like they don't know who you is, like
whatever that situation was.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I know. I'm just like, what am I passionate about?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
What am I banning? As a ruler of the world,
you are the queen, goddess, you are the ruler. These
are your words that say my name is Gigi Gorgeous,
and I am banning. Here we go, Hey, it's me
Gigi Gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
If I ran the world, I'd be banning penalties against
shoplifting for trans teens.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yes, bits bet, I think that shoplifting should be legal
for some.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I think as a young child, I needed makeup and
I had no other way to pay for it other
than to five finger discount. I was always worried that
I was going to get caught because my ban had
not been passed yet. And I think that everybody should
overlook those who are young, obviously trans and need a
little makeup and a beauty product. Product wouldn't hurt little

(59:55):
shampoo conditioner. Let them go, don't chase them out, don't
call the cops, let them live. Walk walk out that
store with them, make sure they get home safe, to
the bus, their car, walk them home, help them. I
think that it's really important that these people have their
beauty products so they feel safe, that they feel beautiful,
they feel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Loved, and that they are a part of our community.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
But if you clock one, that's just stealing for the
fun of it. I unbanished the band. You're welcome, very dust.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
That is something I'm very passionate about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
No, that was good? Was it? I haven't had anybody
to tim And they want to ban people stopping people
from shoplifting. I love it. I walk good, listen, and
I'm gonna have to second that man because I was
caught it seventeen years old, shoplifting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I was caught three times probably around that age.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Girl, I'm mac girl, Honey, they got me a birdines.
What's that it was? That was That's what it was
called before it was mazy? Oh god, you would you
steal Honey Nautica, Tommy Hill Figure, all the all the
name brand items I gave you wear the clothes under
your clothes, girl, I would be I would be stuffing
it in the in the my my baby brother and

(01:01:12):
I would take my baby brother with me, and how
old he was, like he was like a newborn and
I was perfect. I was stuffing in the stroller.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
If I had a newborn baby like, I would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Gg. I've had a wonderful time with you here. Oh
let me tell you're you're a dream. Yeah, we had
a good time. We did. So that means when I'm here,
we're gonna have to hang out and go eat absolutely
not winds, not the boar worms. No, we can't eat
a boar worm. Not the worms you scared of bourworms?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
No, Ladies, gentlemen, this has been gg gorgeous. Please make
sure you're tuning into our podcast Outlaws with Sister. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Such a blessing to be an outlaw. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
My tits are sweating mine too? Baby? We is hot.
Tell him to flip the switch on this hot in here.
God Damn it's hot. Outlaws is a production of the
Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment Call.
Created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece, I'm your host
Tias Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya

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and our producers are Joey pat and Common Moral. Our
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