October 7, 2025 • 48 mins
Step right up – Jimbo the Drag Clown is here! The Clown of the North joins TS Madison in the “Outlaws” ring, and they kick things off with a look back at her “RuPaul’s Drag Race: All Stars” Season 8 win. Maddie floats the idea of an Olympic-style competition for every past champion. Not just a few, but ALL of them. We NEED to see this pantheon of Queens united– but unfortunately, as Maddie and Jimbo recognize, not everyone would be here to return. Madison and Jimbo pause to honor their beloved sister The Vivienne, who left us far too soon, which inspires a conversation about Jimbo’s sobriety journey.
Jimbo takes us through her origin story and how embracing her queerness changed her life. She talks about her complicated relationship with her father, who she remained estranged from until his deathbed, and the difficult realization that goodbye’s don’t always look like they do in the movies.
Next, we’re traveling back to the start of the COVID-19 lockdown– which just so happened to coincide with Jimbo’s debut on “Canada’s Drag Race.” Jimbo talks about the initial stress of watching the world shut down during her moment in the spotlight, but how, in a way, this turned out to be a blessing in disguise. When the world gets dark, we want to laugh, and Jimbo says she still meets people who tell her she helped get them through 2020!
Of course, “Drag Race” was just the beginning. Jimbo shares how her All Star’s winnings helped her produce her dream project, “Jimbo’s Drag Circus” and her plans to take her clowning to the big screen. Madison and Jimbo agree, everybody’s got a clown in them! (Well, at least Maddie did once upon a time…)
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
Is it on? Is it on?? Honey, is this thing recording?! TS Madison broke the Internet with six seconds and a 22-inch weave. And she didn’t just go viral — she became part of the culture, from “RuPaul's Drag Race” to Beyoncé’s “Renaissance.” Her superpower? Her voice. Her kryptonite? Doesn’t exist. Her podcast? The one they never saw coming.
Each week on “Outlaws,” Madison sits down with living legends and rising stars who shed their armor and own their stories — turning side-eyes into sermons, pain into punchlines, and grief into galaxies. They speak when silence is safer. They dream when told to disappear. And they know what so many are taught to fear: that when you speak your truth, you open a portal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
No wait, do w ines bed bed yourself up?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Get a job o?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Ricking honey, rick Hod chasing it. I'm black like that
he stout living gets colored easy. This is Outlaws, but
(00:37):
cheers medicine, honey, is it on?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is this thing recording? What's some of YouTube? Lending the
lens all across the land. This is your girl t
s medicine and I'm coming to you loudlive and always.
I'm forever in color from the Outlaws podcast. Now listen,
ladies and gentlemen, y'all already know bits that I digs
everywhere and pulls the people from well, because all of
the people that come sit on my podcast are my friends.
(01:04):
And today I have a very special person who I've
had the opportunity to judge a couple of times, and
not only that, I've brought back them as a girl. Please, ladies,
gonna put your hand together for the one, the only Jimbo. Jimbo,
(01:26):
I'm here. Listen. I want to know how big are
your boobs?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, they fluctuate depending on a lot of different things,
the climate, the temperature, the time of day. I knew
I was coming here to be with you, Icon of Goddess.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And as I was preparing, someone said, well, who's going
to have bigger tits? And I said, oh, that's a
very good question, and it's definitely you. I have to
bring my big titty.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And you got them out because I got my titties
I got.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think we're twinning.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, we probably twined. But those bitches are shoved and
pushed up.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Sometimes they have whipped cream in them a little bit empty,
otherwise that he'd be a.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Little cream.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Jimbo. Yes, yes, you've won rule Paul's Drag Race All
Stars All Stars eight, All Stars eight, I eight you
ate eight as All Stars eight turned the girls to crumb?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You did? You? Did?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You competed on Paul's Drag Race? How many times?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So? I've competed three times.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I competed on Kanasa's Drag Race back on Wady at
the start of the pandemic in twenty twenty and then
I competed in UK versus the World in twenty twenty
two or twenty twenty one, it was shortly after. And
then I competed in All Stars eight and another another
about a year and a half after that one and.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You won, and then I won. I did it. Now
I'm going to go through my list of questions that
I got for you. But I want to go off
the grid just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You went off roading off the dirt road.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The dirt road, Honey, what a little pudding at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Love a snap.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
If you had the opportunity to do rup Paul's drag race,
tournaments of the Olympia.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Tournaments of the Olympians, what you do it?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, I think Olympians. That makes it sound sporty, so
I think I would try. But I think like an
all Stars and all winners Olympians. Oh you want the Olympians,
because I want all the crown girls, right, So this
is all winners, This is all the all the crown
(03:35):
You want all the top bitches that already beat everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I would do that in a heartbeat. I love drag race.
I love drag.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Every time I go, I learn so much about myself
and performance and drag, and I I feel like it's
like going to university for drag.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Every time you go, it's like all this preparation and.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Studying and I get coaches and tutors and you know,
vocal coaches and linguist it coaches and acting coaches and
so you kind of have this. You build a team
and then you kind of set out to do something
memorable and to win.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So I'm so excited, listen. You are definitely a memorable queen.
It's impossible to forget Jimbo. Yes, but I want to
know because I always ask my favorite girls that when
I get the opportunity to sit with them, like I
asked Violet. Violet Chowski and I were in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh, oh my god, so you took a dick out
of your mouth for five seconds. I love.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So we were in port of our art together and
I said, I said, Violet, would you do? And I
would call it the Tournament of Limbio.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I love the name for it because is listening You
got a new title, Mama.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, because it's like the girls are like, these are
the girls the Pentheon? Yes, of the girls like the
crowns each time, and I would love to see that.
I mean, of course some girls may not be able
to be there, but so what do you mean, like
the Vivian who passed, Yeah, the Vivian like she wouldn't
(05:12):
be able to be right there? Too, because I would
really love I loved the Vivian oh everything.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
She's such an inspiration to me. She's a dear friend
of mine.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And yeah, I was lucky enough to tour with her
in the months prior to her passing, and I had
some really great fun memories together with her.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I loved her. Yeah, I thought she was an immense talent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh everything.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
She was such a light for people in our community,
people outside of our community, people other queens, other entertainers.
She's just inspired so many people in so many different ways.
And her drag was polished perfection and in real life.
Like a lot of these girls, you see them online
and then you meet them in real life you're like, oh,
oh okay, someone like but no, there was no filter needed.
(05:58):
It was airbrushed, it was polished is perfection. Every time,
I was like, how the fuck do you do that?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So they have a series called Dear vv on Why Presents.
Plus I'm gonna sit and just watch it all too,
you know. But I really liked her a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, she's a good time girl.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
She was honest, she was funny. She didn't give a shit,
but she gave all the shits, which I love. I
love when someone can be so caring and also so
free at the same time, and it gets that appearance
that they don't care, but you know that actually their
secret is that they deeply care, and they're just so
good at caring that seems easy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Do you think that a lot of that played a
part in too, you know, the way she handled herself
like like caring a lot of caring too much.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I think that she put herself, you know, be in
a position of responsibility to her fans and her community
to present in a certain way that was strong and
paul and that her flaws were primarily behind her, and
that she was in a healthier, good space, and she
didn't want to admit to her friends and family and
(07:12):
you know, the fandom about what was still going on.
And when we were touring together, I did see it.
And I'm recovered from alcohol and from herd drugs like
coke and things like that, as I'm like, no, I
should say, but when we were touring, I remember just
being concerned, like seeing some things that were contrary to
(07:36):
what I had believed to be her the path that
she was on at that time, and I remember just
partying and just going I'm I'm worried about he says.
And I talked to her and I said, I'm a
little bit worried about what's happening here. And she was
so confident about what she was doing that she said,
I'm fine, you know what I mean, Like, I've been
doing this a long time and I'm I'm you know,
(07:57):
I know what I'm doing. And a lot of people
that when they're partying, they really do think that they're
invincible or that they know what they're doing, even though
they're maybe struggling or you know, definitely not knowing what
they're doing in that way.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So what do you do to protect yourself from from that?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think to protect myself from that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I remember where I was in my own addiction and
how I don't want to get back there. And I
also for me when I started to gain success from
my art and I start to look at what things
were serving me and what weren't. I realized that the
(08:37):
drugs and the alcohol were not serving me like I
thought they were. And I didn't want all of the
love that I was getting and turning into more art
and money and opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I didn't want that love to.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Be turned into money and then for me to turn
that money into drugs and kill myself, because it's common
for someone to be at the receiving end of so
much opportunity and prosperity and love, and secretly it's being
funneled into something destroying them. So I want to stop that.
I want to say the money and the love that
I'm getting, I'm putting back into health and love, and
(09:14):
the people that are supporting me are supporting a healthy
version of me.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I want to ask you this question without really
digging so deep into your personal sure, but I still
want to be personal. Yeah, what is it that? What
is it that you were trying to suppress?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think I was going a lot of loss in
my life, with a really complicated upbringing with my father,
and you know, not really living my true self for
a long time because of fear and just not being
safe to do so. So when I was living authentically,
(09:55):
I was still kind of self medicating from my past
and trying to drown a lot of the things that
had hurt me or that I was trying to move
forward from. And then with the loss of a relationship
and the start of a new relationship and a whole
bunch of turmoil that was in there. We kind of
formed an unhealthy patterns. So yeah, that's kind of how
(10:16):
it got to that point. I feel like, yeah, I
was self medicating and I was trying to Yeah, I
was covering it up with work because I'm a workaholic.
I love working, and you know, when you're doing something
like cocaine, you think like, oh, I'm working more like,
I can work later, I can work faster.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I got Yeah, you've got that up, and it's you start.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Kind of lying to yourself and saying, oh, I need that,
I need that to stay up late, or I need
that to do this gig after this gig, and I
had to teach myself that's false. I'm not going to
just fall asleep. Of course I'm going to do the gig,
and I don't need all that. So I realized that
was just lies. I was telling myself to protect the
addict was protecting, you know what I wanted to do.
(10:59):
So I was able to look myself in the mirror.
Several times. I had to look at myself in the
mirror into my eyes and talk to myself and say,
you know what you need to do to get out
of this, or you will die, so get your shit
together and save yourself. And so I literally, yeah, it
was very like in the mirror with myself and you
(11:20):
know it, but.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I gotta, I gotta let this go.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think parents don't even understand the responsibility that they
have to love their children like unconditionally, Like unconditionally love
your kids, you know, and if there's something that you
don't agree with, just understand that you have You've had
your life to live, right, allow your kids to live,
to live.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
There, make them a sick, let them be different. Yes, yeah, No,
my father didn't want me to be different. I was
named after him, and he was named after his father,
and he really had it in his mind that I
was to be a mini him and that I was
to make the same choices and follow the same path,
and any deviation from that was a sign of not
being successful and it was something he didn't yeah, support
(12:08):
or say was valid. So I had to circumvent to
all that and kind of at the same time as
doing what he wanted me to do, secretly do what
I want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah. So I want to go back just a bit. Yeah,
since we're in that area talking about it, Like, how
did you become.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
How did I become? Well, I think I've always the
pieces were always there. It was like the puzzle, and
the puzzle could be made in a whole bunch of
different ways. So I was making the puzzle the way
I thought people wanted the puzzle to be arranged. With
all my pieces I had, and all the pieces were there,
I was just you know, the picture wasn't the right picture.
And it took me a while to understand all my
(13:02):
pieces and to understand what pieces were for me to
understand only and what for pieces were for me to
share and share in the understanding of them. And eventually
I just claimed my sexuality. Eventually I said, this isn't
a piece of me that's up for debate. I'm not
asking for permission, and I'm not asking for anything but
(13:22):
acceptance and love. And so when I finally and that's
when I found true love. My first true gay love
was when I was with my partner, Hank. I had
girlfriends before that who I loved so much and loved
them dearly to this day, but you know, it wasn't
something I had come to terms with emotionally or mentally
at that time. And when I finally realized, oh, yes,
(13:43):
I'm gay, and I fell in love with another gay man.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was like, oh, okay, this is what this is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I haven't been living authentically and now I need to
make a note that this is how I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And there's no there's no questioning. It just loved me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And that's when I was able to move forward and
really step into myself and embrace all those weird, queer,
feminine parts of myself that I was sort of programmed
to think were wrong or bad or you know, not
manly or not for me, or all those things.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
That I naturally gravitated towards.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was told for so long as not for me,
I was able to go to those are for me
because I choose them, and I'm putting them into my puzzle,
into my picture, and I'm going to rearrange this to
be the picture I want to see and the picture
I want to present to the world. And I think
I had told myself that, you know, I was making
that picture for other people, and I think I realized
(14:41):
over time, like I was telling myself all that, and
when I finally came you know, into myself and shared it,
a lot of the people around me, were like, yeah,
we know, we know you were gay, we know that
that you were struggling. We've been waiting and then you're like, oh, okay,
well well that was easier than I thought. But we
kind of just set ourselves up. It's kind of like performance.
My clown teacher taught me, the audience is always on
(15:03):
your side. Everyone is always with you. They want you
to do the best, and sometimes as a performer, as
a person, you assume the world is against you. Everyone
wants me to fail. I'm going to do bad. And
my teacher told me, no, like everyone wants to do good.
And I feel like that's the way it is in life.
People just want you to do good. They want you
to feel good. They want you to be your authentic self.
(15:23):
And when you line it up, it's amazing all the
support you get.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So all the people were accepting and loving and oh
my god, you know it was your dad that was
the resistance.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I never came out to him.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I blocked him out of my life and we were
estranged until his deathbed, And on his deathbed, I went
to him, and I still never came out to him
because I thought, you don't get to know that you
haven't done the work to get to know that part
of me.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So I'm not telling you. We're not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He never saw a pass. He never saw you in.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, he saw pictures.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He saw like, oh, you know, I have friends and
I have a fun life, and I'm kind of doing
funny things. But he never He died prior to drag race,
and so he never knew that that this had happened.
But he used to say to me every morning, go
out there and make a name for yourself. Every morning
before school, get out there and make a name for yourself.
(16:27):
And no, I didn't really know what that meant as
a kid, what to make a name for yourself, you know,
I mean it's words of encouragement. But I know now
I did what he said. I made a name for
myself in the world. And I know he would be
so proud of that. Yes, maybe he wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He was a weirdo and a pervert, and you know,
I had a great sense of humor. He was just
I think maybe even a little bit closet himself. He's
a bit of abused. So all those came together for
him to he was being protective of me. I'm sure
in his own way, thinking I'm going to save you
from what if what I did you. He really wanted
(17:02):
me to live a you know, socially normal life, have
a high paying job and have a wife and a family,
and just do the thing that everyone else is accepts
and agrees with. And I was always kind of doing
my own thing. So eventually I just had to break
off from him. I blocked him from my life, and
he sort of watched on the internet or watched on
(17:23):
Facebook a little bit, and he alluded to knowing that
I had a friend, and I just said, yeah, I'm happy,
and we left it at that, and I said, you know,
I forgive you for everything that you did to me,
and he just laughed.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Laughed at me, like he would be great to getting me.
And so then I was like, oh my god, this
isn't the movies. Life isn't the movies.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You're not going to go to your estrange father's deathbed
and he's going to come clean for all the shit
he did, and you're gonna at this closure.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I said no, no, He laughed at me, and so
then I said, okay, so that's on me.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Now I'm the one carrying this all because you think
it's funny and or you've forgotten. So I had to go, okay,
well I release it too, because I'm not going to
be the one carrying all this that you fucking did
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So I had to go, oh, okay, well that's gonna
die with him.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Then it's something speaking is taking it to the grave.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
She did.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I was like, damn, where's your mom?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
My mom lives out west with me in Victoria, and
she's my biggest fan and supporter.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She always has been. And yeah, we have a she
lives in the apartment right above. Mind. She's moved out west.
She is doing great.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
She helps street people as much as she can. She
loves being in the community, helping out on the streets
as much as she can, and that's where she spends
most of her time.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
She she's extremely proud of you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
She's so proud, insanely proud. She will tell anyone that
looks at her, anyone that makes eye contact. Do you
know my son Jimbo. He is a world famous strike time.
He is so beautiful. Look at his instagram, follow his Instagram, like,
she is my biggest fan, and she exaggerates to oh
my god, he won an Emmy, he want a Grammy.
I'm like, Mom, no, I haven't won those things yet. Yeah,
(19:28):
she extrapolates.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So, so my question is there was one dark, dark
side of your parenting that was just like that you
really wish that you could have connected to. And then
there's this big presence that you connect to and that
you love, and so you absorb more energy from that area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
My mom told me that the world is going to
tell you now, they're going to try and stop you.
They're going to try and sit you down in front
of the TV and make you do what they did.
You have to say no over and over and over again.
You need to say no, this is what I'm doing,
and you need to fight for your position and you
(20:09):
need to fight for what you believe this to be true.
And so I did that over and over and over again.
Every time I had an idea or a concept where
I was like, this is the direction I'm going and
people said, hmmm, it's not like that, it's not done
that way or with us too hard or no. I
was like, okay, well I'm doubly doing it now. Like
now it's a challenge. I have to do this because
because they said no, So you know, she really taught
(20:30):
me to just keep my own vision, keep true to
myself as much as I can, and so that's really
helped me in terms of, you know, being an artist
and you know, being myself in the world and being
in the public eye and things. She's been a huge
supporter and my whole life, just telling me, like, stay
true to yourself and believe in yourself and don't you know,
(20:52):
do what society expects.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Of you, which is own. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, And she's always supported that. So that's been so
huge for me.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Where where are you originally from?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I grew up in London, Ontario, outside of Toronto, Tronta, Toronta, Trona, Canada,
in Canada.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, so you're a Canadian girl.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah yeah, Wow from across the border, Terri Free. So
you do know the Queen of the Nor, the Queen
of the Noor.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, my auntie, Queen of the Noor, Miss Brooklyn Heights.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I Love, I Love, I Love Love. That's my baby.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I Love, I Love. Yeah. And she, you know, she
likes to, she likes to.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
We like to tease each other that I kind of
owe it all to her after she eliminated me. If
she hadn't eliminated me, I wouldn't have one All Star.
So so I like to thank her for that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
The Queen of the nor, the Queen of the noise.
How many times did you audition for drag Race? Just once? WHOA?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah. I was fortunate enough that I had been watching
drag Race for a long time with my friends and
Brooklyn came on. She was the first Canadian on the
American show, and that gagged us. We were like, okay,
so there's a way, somehow this Canadian has gotten onto
American TV. And so you know, I was trying to
(22:28):
figure that out and like, how do I do that?
And it's even possible? And then it was announced Canada's
drag Race was happening. I was like, oh my god,
this is my SHOT's my ticket. And I had a friend,
Shiraz who had told me, who's a director and a
videographer and filmmaker.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
He said, if you ever want to be on drag Race, I.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Think you would be incredible on drag Race and I
would help you make your audition tape. So the time came,
the audition call came, I phone my friend, I said,
it's happening. Drag Race Canada helped me with my audition tape,
and so he was he really got my vibe, my
sensibility and was a really is a really talented director
(23:11):
and filmmaker, a videographer, editor, the whole thing. So he
was able to make this incredible audition audition tape which
they've said is one of the best that ever went
in so and I love its such a great tape.
I had so much fun with it, and I was
so grateful my theater and film background as a costume
designer for film and as a production designer for theater,
(23:33):
that was all my wheelhouse producing content and video and
costume and organization and presentation. So that's how I was
able to kind of pull from the reasons that I
had and use my skill set to elevate and present myself.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And then yeah, I got cast from from that on
Cana's drag.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Race going in, Did you know that you were going
to be like stand out? Did you hear the words
echoing and you from your dad saying go out and
make a name for yourself in the world.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Time. I didn't understand that. I remember going like I
remember being an elevator with one of the Queen's care,
and I said, do you think I'll have fans? And
they're like, yeah, girl, You're going to have fans. And
I was like, what, like, are you sure and they
said yeah, And so I thought, you know, maybe a few.
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I thought, oh, you know, some people will gravitate towards
my drag, you know, a couple of thousands or whatever.
And then the show dropped and it was time by
you know, the universe with the pandemic and the lockdown.
It was almost simultaneous, and so it felt at the
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time like, oh my god, my dreams have come true
and the whole world's on lockdown and this is the
worst case scenario. But what ended up happening was being
a clown when the world needed to laugh. And I
did my job as an end chainer and a clown,
and I was so grateful and still I'm so grateful
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that I meet people all the time that go You
got me through that screaming on the mountain, you being
on that first Challengehere I'm up and I've got my
twisted Mickey outfit and I'm being blown by the wind
and I just absolutely I was taken by surprises. I
thought I was just climbing the hill. I thought that
was being hill in heels and go up that incline.
I was like, Oh, this isn't so bad at all.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And then they turn on the big fan.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I got absolute blown away, just screaming and going crazy,
and that was my first viral moment. And that from that,
like my followers just started going like every day like
one hundred thousand, like a two hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It was like a dream, like watching the numbers. It was.
It was so exciting. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It was like you know when you get the jackpotted
the casino and all the bells and and you know,
and you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was like that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It was with my partner, and people were sending me
screen caps and looking like, look, look at this is
growing it's growing up. It was so exciting to see
my art and my sense of humor and my point
of view resonate around the world with so many people,
and for the whole thing to be blowing up in
that way. It was just absolutely a dream. It was
so exciting, and.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So I guess, like, is it vindicating as a word.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
After my judgment on the show and after the filming process,
I hadn't the show hadn't been displayed to the fans yet,
so I was still stuck on my critiques I got
and my whole filming process. I was pretty devastated with
the way I was received by Brooklyn and Jeffrey and
the judges, and I was really heartbroken about how it
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all happened. So I thought, we'll see what happens when
the fancy because I'm either I'm crazy or this didn't
feel great. And so then they played the show and
the audience went on my side and they were like, no,
like this is not right, this does not add up,
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and we don't agree.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And it created this like crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Dynamic with me being this underdog and against the judges,
and that made for like such an exciting season of
people being you know, so twisted up and it was
so exciting. It was like the best thing you want
from from making TV is to have this insane reaction positive, negative, excited.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Piss like it was just so fun and so.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, I loved the transformation after the show was seeing
what it was when the audience came on my side
and said, no, no, we love you, we love this
point of view.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We think you should be in the top, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I was like, oh yeah, it just it just started out.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was everything and then but then they started to
come for Jeffrey and I had to. I was like, okay,
well let me defend him because you know, he doesn't
deserve all this hate for doing his job, which was
to be a Josh, to be you know, to be polarizing.
That's kind of those are the characters you want to
watch that make you feel something. So you know, that's
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something that I think we all deal with us people online.
You want to give the people what they want, but
then you give them what they want.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And get mad. They get mad. Listen, I don't give
a fuck about all this stuff. I just want to
I really want you to know that that I don't
given by this stuff. Yo, don't given by this stuff.
They can get in those comments, they can get on
read it, they can do all this.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You're so good for letting people.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You can suck my ass every corner and you motherfuck
some my ass, be right. I love I live for
it because there's sometimes I may say something that I
don't really I don't mean, or I'm arguing with somebody
else or whatever, you know, and it's just like I
don't give a fuck as you man, I'm talking to
this yeah, yeah, you know, you know, but it's just
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like that's not you know, you've been in my prayer.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I love I love all all the girls. Like when
I tell you, I get so excited judging. I get
so excited seeing y'all compete. I get so excited seeing
the challenges. I get so excited to see the drag
come down the stay because I'm a I am a fag,
so I'm a fact. So I'm sitting here watching all
this faggotry and I'm like, brow god damn good drama. Yeah,
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you know, So I'm not over here like taking that
ship serious because I just I just feel like that
each one of you girls who walk down that stage
haves have a massive opportunity that queer people didn't have
back in the day. You get, you get the opportunity
to a massive amounts of fans and people that love you,
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and people that's gonna stick with you and and.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And so port you and level those weird parts.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And they're money with you. And I hate to make
it monetary, but we got to make a living.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, as artists. Yeah, if you if you're not making
a living. You can't keep making art, You can't keep
doing the thing you're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, you're an artist, so you're making art and people
are buying your art, and this is what makes you
be able to sustain and be a star. Like, yeah,
So I want the girls not to take the stuff
so so serious and be like, oh, I should have won.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know, right, you did win, You did win,
You got on TV, you got a fan base, you
got an opportunity to show yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Make it work, right, make it work.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, And you know a lot of my sisters I've
talked to them about when they get there, it's hard
because you're given this opportunity that you haven't been given before,
or people in our community haven't been given. So they
go in with this huge sense of responsibility that translates
into seriousness or into just intensity. And you know, I'm
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really good at being playful, and so I really try
to encourage, like on the set and with the girls back,
so it should be playful into bee lights. But it's
hard for some girls who haven't been given a lot
of opportunities. When they get there, they want it to
go so good, they want to represent so well, and
they're not really able to be silly because they're going,
I can't be silly.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
This is so serious. This is my future, this is
my community, this is my past.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So and it's like, girl, Yes, it is your future,
it is your community. Ship live it now.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, laugh at it fun. Yeah, let's laugh together, have fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You're gonna win either way it goes. If you make
it work for you, you'll win either way it goes.
So I got a couple of questions that I want
to know personally from from Yon two. I see you
have a voluptuous look, very volus thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I see that you also are.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Very much soious. Have you ever wanted to transition?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I think I think have I ever wanted transition? I
think I love like the idea of it because I
love so much about the power and the expression that
I get from the side of myself.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I definitely.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Feel like a man in in my man life. I
don't feel like when I'm in my man life that
I should that I need that feminine energy in my presence,
my personal presence that I'm exuding. So that's that's the
way I know that I'm not trans like when I
when I'm out of drag. I want to take these
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nails off, and some of the girls they want to
keep the nails on. And that's how that's kind of
like a symbol like mentally like, oh, do you want
to keep your nails on every day? And when you're
doing the keypad and when you're stuck in the deck,
do you want to see these nails?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Do you want that fantasy?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, it's at the same time, secretarial, blow job, working girl.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You were good at that. That's not your first time
working girl in your eye, like you like it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm the first Melanie Griffith working girl.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, so yeah, so so yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think I think as someone on the spectrum that
I think there is there is something in there, some
energy in there.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
But I definitely love being also a boy and.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
A drag queen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I'm definitely a drag queen.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, because because a drag queen. Well, I don't want
to get into the label because we got too many
labels as it is. But I know, I know the
drag is not an identity, it's an art.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And usually when when you're doing drag, like you take
the drag off. Yeah, so when you come when you
out of drag, you out of drag.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
But it's kind of a weird mix because I'm also
sometimes the last person to get out of drag, and
I'm also the person that will be in drag on
my vacation when I want to just live my life.
So it's a it's a weird mix because I want
to go. You know, Brooklyn's always bugging me, like you're
on vacation, bitch, leave the drag. But I'm like, no,
I need to get my life, Like I need to
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put on my hair and go to the ocean. I
need to run on the beach with my body. I
need to, you know, live my life in Greece with
my beautiful breast and run through.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, you know what I mean. Like there's such
there's so much that I need to do as a
girl in the world.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, I'll try the video of me running all around.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
What's the place that's all white buildings, miconos, mcconnos, grease,
Oh my god, I had a beautiful, damn maconose that
just terrorized that quiet little town.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
They had to repaint the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
After So okay, so you enjoy the the attention. I
wonder if That's what it is if you enjoy the
commotion and all this stuff. Okay, I love you, love
all of them. You love him as I'm here?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yes, yeah, I like on a cruise, like if I'm
the only person being extra. I love that by the pool,
all come down the stairs, Everyone's like the fuck?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And then I'm like, you know, play the track.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'll dance to everyone, you know, flip the tables, shock
the old people, you know, steal someone's husband.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And then you'll go back to the room and come
downstairs and be like, who where she go?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
She was a whole mess?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Where did that bitch go?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But yeah, I love that part and only a few,
very few complaints.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's it's you love so you. This is a part
of your alter ego that you love, and you love
being in your alter ego. Like you feel free here? Yeah,
you feel that one with yourself? Yeah, happy, happy, beautiful, beautiful, honey, done.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But comfortable, extravag strapped, strapped down, a little loaded down.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I feel sometimes I feel like I'm a walking garage
sail just peeking out.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Are you a walking garage seal? God, damn it? Peeking out?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm for see what do you want? Yeah, put trinkets
in the back, but put me back down. Yeah, but
put me back, take me out, but put me by
putting back because I want to sell more.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I got more to do.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay. So, Jimbo, were you a clown before this? Like
did you? Did you do clown work?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So essentially everyone is a clown. Everyone has a clown
inside them.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Well, I've had one.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah. How big was he?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was a little person.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yes, you're so lucky. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Wow, my mom had an affair with a little person
before and I loved little people.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So yeah, but but he, but he was he was
dressed as a clown.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh my god. Yeah, is this King Dwarf?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
No, okay, because King Dwarf also dressed like a clown,
a little person with a huge deck.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, and he did my music video big top. Was
he a porn star your friend?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, he wasn't. He was just a little person that
they had a big.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Dick, the little person with a big dream.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, big dream and wanted me to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
On it right, pop on and take nap.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That's my dream. I was like, now, but you know,
we had a good time. But but you know, you said,
everybody has a little clown in them.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yes, everyone has a clown in them.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And it's really I think that that's why clowning works
is you kind of you speak to the humanity inside
another person.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Through absurdity and the absurdity of life.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And you're kind of connecting on a commonality and that's
the human experience. And I love clowning because it's really
about connecting with your audience. And it was my understanding
of performance prior to being a clown. I didn't understand
performance and understand the preparing and then you get out
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there and you do it and then everyone claps for you,
and it's all about you. I just I couldn't understand that.
And then my clown teacher said, no, this is about
the audience. This isn't about you. When you're getting claps,
that's the audience thanking you for making them happy. And
it's not about them going you're amazing. It's them going
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to thank you, thank you for what you're doing. And
I was like, oh, okay, they're thanking me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And then you know, the idea to conceive of something funny,
rehearse it, and then present it and the people find
it funny the way you want them to. That also
was a barrier for me. And clowning is about releasing
all that, and it's about being present and being honest
in the moment with yourself and your audience and listening
to what they want and getting yourself off at the
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same time. And it's a balance. So much going on
it so much, but you also have to not think
about it. Just do it. You just do. You have
to put your brain in the backseat, go with your
worst idea, go with those things in your body that say, like,
don't do that, that's the thing you should do. If
the audience, when you get that audience going no, they're
not going to oh my god, we're going to Yeah.
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Everyone wants you to do it whatever it is, you know,
lick the bottom of your shoe or you know, put
the turn in your mouth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Everyone wants that really like a dah, they fucking did it.
And so I I love doing that for people.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I love being the one that's going to be do
the thing that people don't want to do but they
want to laugh at.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I love it people making people, help me, making people laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I need you to tell me about your about the
Work the World.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes, okay, yes, I'm doing Joan Rivers. Okay, I'm the
icon Jone Riffs. Can we talk t yes? Can we
talk about the tour?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Please?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Work the World, get your tickets. Work Theworld dot com.
It's me and my sisters, a bunch of bitches, literal
dog face sluts.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
No, it's so so fun.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
We're all doing celebrity impersonations. We've got Beyonce, We've got
Lady Gaga, we have Ariana Grande. Yeah. So it's the
girls there. We're doing celebrity impersonations. It's an award show format.
I host this Joan Rivers. I'm switching off with Sasha
Bulore coming up. But it's an incredible show. We make
you laugh. I do Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I do Dolly Parton. I'm still working on the boys.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
It's all right. You get one day hire big Tittisen.
What what kind of hair?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Oh? Blonde pubic hired my head? Now curtain's got a
Max carpet.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Bless your heart. Do I have some comp ticket?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yes, come to work the World.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I want to come work the world. Bit yes, bitch,
So what I got to visit visit www dot work.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The world dot com and that's w r Q. That's right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You're a good speller, very much, so I can do
a lot of things. Oh, go to show me listen
who concert only fan only only only only clowns.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yes, we're gonna be rich. I love you. I love
you too so much. Thank you to you.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I got two last questions. One, what was the first
thing you did with your prize money?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
The first thing I did with my prize money was
I did my show Jimbosdrag Circus. I had a dream,
you know, being a theater kid, working in theater, moving
into film. I had an incredible and I still have
an incredible community of artists and directors and filmmakers and
sewers and prop makers and set designers that all saw
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me and said one day, we're going to work for you.
And I said no, you guys like they said no,
we want to. We can't wait for it to be
the Jimbo Show and whatever the fuck it is, it's
going to be crazy, but we're in. And I was like,
oh god, you guys like who knows fingers crossed? You know,
I would love that someday. But it happened, and it
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came true, and I had the money, and I had
the tour. I worked with Maria and Peter. They said,
we want to give you a solo tour, forty dates
around North America. And I was like, Okay, we fucking
did it. I've I've got the gig. I've got they
want it. Now I've got to figure out my fucking show.
And so I went back to my people. I said,
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I've got it. I've got the money, I've got the gig.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And here I sat down, I wrote out my script
and my ideas and presented it oathered my community, and
it was so incredible to have a full circle moment
and to have my friends and my community all invest
and participate in something that was my dream come true.
So we use basically all the money I won and
made an incredible show. Jimbo strikes.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I guess, and you've made way more money than you've won.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yes, thank god, thank god. So you took it.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You took that two hundred thousand honey well minus the Texas.
You took that one fifty thousand whenever, and you invested
it in yourself and you've made a million bucks back.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
That's that's that's I tell the girls, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
This is you gonna always win. Yeah, if you make
it work.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
If you make it work, if you stay true to yourself,
if you stay true to your vision, if you know,
compromise when you have to, but stay on your ground
when you need to, and believe in yourself, then yeah,
you're you're gonna do the thing. And I'm a big
believer in the universe and manifestation, which I know you
are as well. And I manifest so much shit and
I'm so grateful. I have wonderful powers of manifestation. I'm
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so so internally grateful for. And I'm a big believer
in positivity, in about envisioning things. Or my titty just farted,
I hope that's I mean, that was my stomach. I'm
hungry too, but yeah, my dream came true, and I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
My last question is what is next?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So what is next?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I'm working on scripts writing. I have movie ideas, several
of them, probably about ten. I have an idea for
a series, a kid's book. I have an idea for
my own book. I have an idea for a TV series,
a full movie. I also have idea for another play
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I have my existing musical and I want to make
more music, and I want to become a better answer.
And I recently did my first acting gig in a
feature independent film and they said it was a natural.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So I want to keep acting. I want to challenge
myself and to.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Continue to weave in all the things I love about
life and art and keep plucking them out and weaving
them into what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'm going to give you a key to making all
that happen. The key is did not say I want
to do it, but to say I am going right?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
That is the key.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That's the key.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I am doing it.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yes, Yeah, I'm doing that.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, you're right, And I am doing that.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
I'm reading a book I'm writing every day, and so
I'm in the process of doing that.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
See how I went from I want to I am no.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
That It is very important because I think a lot
of us, including myself, spend a lot of time in
that I want to space for a long time going
I want to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I want to.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And it's hard to have the confidence or have the
material time or whatever it is that you need to
take that for a step. But when you do it
with confidence and you're sure that this is what my
plan is, and yeah, it works.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Out wanting it's the car driving slow, I am is
the car driving.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Okay, thank you. Yeah, that's hopeful, very much, Solf.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, Jimbo, I love you.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yes, I love you.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I love you. I love you, I love you, I
love you. I didn't want to know what was? How
was the first time? What was the first time you
found me? Where you found me?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Was?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Was?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It? My god, the first time I found you was basically,
I think at the dawn of the Internet.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I'm old.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
The dawn of the internet thing is the first thing
I've waited hours download.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I'm old.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But I remember just laughing at you know, I gravitated
someone like Joan Rivers. I'm currently on the World hosting
as Joan Rivers, and I love a reverence. I love
the courage to say what the fuck's on your mind,
and regardless of how it's going to be received. I
think it's important to say what you want to say.
As long as you're coming at it with a good intention.
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You can always change your mind. You can always go
back and say, actually, you know, I was kind of
fucked up. Yeah the time, I may but you know
when you think about it, when you you know, go back.
So I I just love that about you. You're such
an inspiration to say I am going to fearlessly have
my say and have a position that I'm not going
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to compromise on and I'm not going to be punished
for that either, correct, And so that's yeah, that's important
for as a comedian and as someone that we need
to take risks. If you want to make change in
the world as an artist, you need to take risks.
And we can't take risks if we're being policed by
everybody on anything we have.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
You can't take motherfucking risk if we being police. And
you always got to remember it's a clown inside.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Of every everybody, every single one.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I'm gonna get a clown to me this evening.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I love you, so thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Aliza Piece. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And Tis Madison.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Our supervising producer is Jessica Kriincicch and our producers are
Joey Pat and Common Bra. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is just crienticch. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi. Merrit
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our show art is by Pablo Montenina. Got You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
No wait, do w ines bed bed yourself up?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Get a job o?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
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he stout living gets colored easy. This is Outlaws, but
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cheers medicine, honey, is it on?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is this thing recording? What's some of YouTube? Lending the
lens all across the land. This is your girl t
s medicine and I'm coming to you loudlive and always.
I'm forever in color from the Outlaws podcast. Now listen,
ladies and gentlemen, y'all already know bits that I digs
everywhere and pulls the people from well, because all of
the people that come sit on my podcast are my friends.
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And today I have a very special person who I've
had the opportunity to judge a couple of times, and
not only that, I've brought back them as a girl. Please, ladies,
gonna put your hand together for the one, the only Jimbo. Jimbo,
(01:26):
I'm here. Listen. I want to know how big are
your boobs?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, they fluctuate depending on a lot of different things,
the climate, the temperature, the time of day. I knew
I was coming here to be with you, Icon of Goddess.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And as I was preparing, someone said, well, who's going
to have bigger tits? And I said, oh, that's a
very good question, and it's definitely you. I have to
bring my big titty.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And you got them out because I got my titties
I got.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think we're twinning.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, we probably twined. But those bitches are shoved and
pushed up.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Sometimes they have whipped cream in them a little bit empty,
otherwise that he'd be a.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Little cream.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Jimbo. Yes, yes, you've won rule Paul's Drag Race All
Stars All Stars eight, All Stars eight, I eight you
ate eight as All Stars eight turned the girls to crumb?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You did? You? Did?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You competed on Paul's Drag Race? How many times?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So? I've competed three times.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I competed on Kanasa's Drag Race back on Wady at
the start of the pandemic in twenty twenty and then
I competed in UK versus the World in twenty twenty
two or twenty twenty one, it was shortly after. And
then I competed in All Stars eight and another another
about a year and a half after that one and.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
You won, and then I won. I did it. Now
I'm going to go through my list of questions that
I got for you. But I want to go off
the grid just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You went off roading off the dirt road.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The dirt road, Honey, what a little pudding at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Love a snap.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
If you had the opportunity to do rup Paul's drag race,
tournaments of the Olympia.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Tournaments of the Olympians, what you do it?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, I think Olympians. That makes it sound sporty, so
I think I would try. But I think like an
all Stars and all winners Olympians. Oh you want the Olympians,
because I want all the crown girls, right, So this
is all winners, This is all the all the crown
(03:35):
You want all the top bitches that already beat everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I would do that in a heartbeat. I love drag race.
I love drag.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Every time I go, I learn so much about myself
and performance and drag, and I I feel like it's
like going to university for drag.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Every time you go, it's like all this preparation and.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Studying and I get coaches and tutors and you know,
vocal coaches and linguist it coaches and acting coaches and
so you kind of have this. You build a team
and then you kind of set out to do something
memorable and to win.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So I'm so excited, listen. You are definitely a memorable queen.
It's impossible to forget Jimbo. Yes, but I want to
know because I always ask my favorite girls that when
I get the opportunity to sit with them, like I
asked Violet. Violet Chowski and I were in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh, oh my god, so you took a dick out
of your mouth for five seconds. I love.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So we were in port of our art together and
I said, I said, Violet, would you do? And I
would call it the Tournament of Limbio.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I love the name for it because is listening You
got a new title, Mama.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, because it's like the girls are like, these are
the girls the Pentheon? Yes, of the girls like the
crowns each time, and I would love to see that.
I mean, of course some girls may not be able
to be there, but so what do you mean, like
the Vivian who passed, Yeah, the Vivian like she wouldn't
(05:12):
be able to be right there? Too, because I would
really love I loved the Vivian oh everything.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
She's such an inspiration to me. She's a dear friend
of mine.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And yeah, I was lucky enough to tour with her
in the months prior to her passing, and I had
some really great fun memories together with her.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I loved her. Yeah, I thought she was an immense talent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh everything.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
She was such a light for people in our community,
people outside of our community, people other queens, other entertainers.
She's just inspired so many people in so many different ways.
And her drag was polished perfection and in real life.
Like a lot of these girls, you see them online
and then you meet them in real life you're like, oh,
oh okay, someone like but no, there was no filter needed.
(05:58):
It was airbrushed, it was polished is perfection. Every time,
I was like, how the fuck do you do that?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So they have a series called Dear vv on Why Presents.
Plus I'm gonna sit and just watch it all too,
you know. But I really liked her a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, she's a good time girl.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
She was honest, she was funny. She didn't give a shit,
but she gave all the shits, which I love. I
love when someone can be so caring and also so
free at the same time, and it gets that appearance
that they don't care, but you know that actually their
secret is that they deeply care, and they're just so
good at caring that seems easy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Do you think that a lot of that played a
part in too, you know, the way she handled herself
like like caring a lot of caring too much.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I think that she put herself, you know, be in
a position of responsibility to her fans and her community
to present in a certain way that was strong and
paul and that her flaws were primarily behind her, and
that she was in a healthier, good space, and she
didn't want to admit to her friends and family and
(07:12):
you know, the fandom about what was still going on.
And when we were touring together, I did see it.
And I'm recovered from alcohol and from herd drugs like
coke and things like that, as I'm like, no, I
should say, but when we were touring, I remember just
being concerned, like seeing some things that were contrary to
(07:36):
what I had believed to be her the path that
she was on at that time, and I remember just
partying and just going I'm I'm worried about he says.
And I talked to her and I said, I'm a
little bit worried about what's happening here. And she was
so confident about what she was doing that she said,
I'm fine, you know what I mean, Like, I've been
doing this a long time and I'm I'm you know,
(07:57):
I know what I'm doing. And a lot of people
that when they're partying, they really do think that they're
invincible or that they know what they're doing, even though
they're maybe struggling or you know, definitely not knowing what
they're doing in that way.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So what do you do to protect yourself from from that?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think to protect myself from that.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I remember where I was in my own addiction and
how I don't want to get back there. And I
also for me when I started to gain success from
my art and I start to look at what things
were serving me and what weren't. I realized that the
(08:37):
drugs and the alcohol were not serving me like I
thought they were. And I didn't want all of the
love that I was getting and turning into more art
and money and opportunities.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I didn't want that love to.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Be turned into money and then for me to turn
that money into drugs and kill myself, because it's common
for someone to be at the receiving end of so
much opportunity and prosperity and love, and secretly it's being
funneled into something destroying them. So I want to stop that.
I want to say the money and the love that
I'm getting, I'm putting back into health and love, and
(09:14):
the people that are supporting me are supporting a healthy
version of me.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I want to ask you this question without really
digging so deep into your personal sure, but I still
want to be personal. Yeah, what is it that? What
is it that you were trying to suppress?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think I was going a lot of loss in
my life, with a really complicated upbringing with my father,
and you know, not really living my true self for
a long time because of fear and just not being
safe to do so. So when I was living authentically,
(09:55):
I was still kind of self medicating from my past
and trying to drown a lot of the things that
had hurt me or that I was trying to move
forward from. And then with the loss of a relationship
and the start of a new relationship and a whole
bunch of turmoil that was in there. We kind of
formed an unhealthy patterns. So yeah, that's kind of how
(10:16):
it got to that point. I feel like, yeah, I
was self medicating and I was trying to Yeah, I
was covering it up with work because I'm a workaholic.
I love working, and you know, when you're doing something
like cocaine, you think like, oh, I'm working more like,
I can work later, I can work faster.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I got Yeah, you've got that up, and it's you start.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Kind of lying to yourself and saying, oh, I need that,
I need that to stay up late, or I need
that to do this gig after this gig, and I
had to teach myself that's false. I'm not going to
just fall asleep. Of course I'm going to do the gig,
and I don't need all that. So I realized that
was just lies. I was telling myself to protect the
addict was protecting, you know what I wanted to do.
(10:59):
So I was able to look myself in the mirror.
Several times. I had to look at myself in the
mirror into my eyes and talk to myself and say,
you know what you need to do to get out
of this, or you will die, so get your shit
together and save yourself. And so I literally, yeah, it
was very like in the mirror with myself and you
(11:20):
know it, but.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I gotta, I gotta let this go.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think parents don't even understand the responsibility that they
have to love their children like unconditionally, Like unconditionally love
your kids, you know, and if there's something that you
don't agree with, just understand that you have You've had
your life to live, right, allow your kids to live,
to live.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
There, make them a sick, let them be different. Yes, yeah, No,
my father didn't want me to be different. I was
named after him, and he was named after his father,
and he really had it in his mind that I
was to be a mini him and that I was
to make the same choices and follow the same path,
and any deviation from that was a sign of not
being successful and it was something he didn't yeah, support
(12:08):
or say was valid. So I had to circumvent to
all that and kind of at the same time as
doing what he wanted me to do, secretly do what
I want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah. So I want to go back just a bit. Yeah,
since we're in that area talking about it, Like, how
did you become.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
How did I become? Well, I think I've always the
pieces were always there. It was like the puzzle, and
the puzzle could be made in a whole bunch of
different ways. So I was making the puzzle the way
I thought people wanted the puzzle to be arranged. With
all my pieces I had, and all the pieces were there,
I was just you know, the picture wasn't the right picture.
And it took me a while to understand all my
(13:02):
pieces and to understand what pieces were for me to
understand only and what for pieces were for me to
share and share in the understanding of them. And eventually
I just claimed my sexuality. Eventually I said, this isn't
a piece of me that's up for debate. I'm not
asking for permission, and I'm not asking for anything but
(13:22):
acceptance and love. And so when I finally and that's
when I found true love. My first true gay love
was when I was with my partner, Hank. I had
girlfriends before that who I loved so much and loved
them dearly to this day, but you know, it wasn't
something I had come to terms with emotionally or mentally
at that time. And when I finally realized, oh, yes,
(13:43):
I'm gay, and I fell in love with another gay man.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was like, oh, okay, this is what this is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I haven't been living authentically and now I need to
make a note that this is how I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And there's no there's no questioning. It just loved me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
And that's when I was able to move forward and
really step into myself and embrace all those weird, queer,
feminine parts of myself that I was sort of programmed
to think were wrong or bad or you know, not
manly or not for me, or all those things.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
That I naturally gravitated towards.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It was told for so long as not for me,
I was able to go to those are for me
because I choose them, and I'm putting them into my puzzle,
into my picture, and I'm going to rearrange this to
be the picture I want to see and the picture
I want to present to the world. And I think
I had told myself that, you know, I was making
that picture for other people, and I think I realized
(14:41):
over time, like I was telling myself all that, and
when I finally came you know, into myself and shared it,
a lot of the people around me, were like, yeah,
we know, we know you were gay, we know that
that you were struggling. We've been waiting and then you're like, oh, okay,
well well that was easier than I thought. But we
kind of just set ourselves up. It's kind of like performance.
My clown teacher taught me, the audience is always on
(15:03):
your side. Everyone is always with you. They want you
to do the best, and sometimes as a performer, as
a person, you assume the world is against you. Everyone
wants me to fail. I'm going to do bad. And
my teacher told me, no, like everyone wants to do good.
And I feel like that's the way it is in life.
People just want you to do good. They want you
to feel good. They want you to be your authentic self.
(15:23):
And when you line it up, it's amazing all the
support you get.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
So all the people were accepting and loving and oh
my god, you know it was your dad that was
the resistance.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I never came out to him.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I blocked him out of my life and we were
estranged until his deathbed, And on his deathbed, I went
to him, and I still never came out to him
because I thought, you don't get to know that you
haven't done the work to get to know that part
of me.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So I'm not telling you. We're not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He never saw a pass. He never saw you in.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, he saw pictures.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He saw like, oh, you know, I have friends and
I have a fun life, and I'm kind of doing
funny things. But he never He died prior to drag race,
and so he never knew that that this had happened.
But he used to say to me every morning, go
out there and make a name for yourself. Every morning
before school, get out there and make a name for yourself.
(16:27):
And no, I didn't really know what that meant as
a kid, what to make a name for yourself, you know,
I mean it's words of encouragement. But I know now
I did what he said. I made a name for
myself in the world. And I know he would be
so proud of that. Yes, maybe he wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He was a weirdo and a pervert, and you know,
I had a great sense of humor. He was just
I think maybe even a little bit closet himself. He's
a bit of abused. So all those came together for
him to he was being protective of me. I'm sure
in his own way, thinking I'm going to save you
from what if what I did you. He really wanted
(17:02):
me to live a you know, socially normal life, have
a high paying job and have a wife and a family,
and just do the thing that everyone else is accepts
and agrees with. And I was always kind of doing
my own thing. So eventually I just had to break
off from him. I blocked him from my life, and
he sort of watched on the internet or watched on
(17:23):
Facebook a little bit, and he alluded to knowing that
I had a friend, and I just said, yeah, I'm happy,
and we left it at that, and I said, you know,
I forgive you for everything that you did to me,
and he just laughed.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Laughed at me, like he would be great to getting me.
And so then I was like, oh my god, this
isn't the movies. Life isn't the movies.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You're not going to go to your estrange father's deathbed
and he's going to come clean for all the shit
he did, and you're gonna at this closure.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I said no, no, He laughed at me, and so
then I said, okay, so that's on me.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Now I'm the one carrying this all because you think
it's funny and or you've forgotten. So I had to go, okay,
well I release it too, because I'm not going to
be the one carrying all this that you fucking did
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So I had to go, oh, okay, well that's gonna
die with him.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Then it's something speaking is taking it to the grave.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
She did.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I was like, damn, where's your mom?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
My mom lives out west with me in Victoria, and
she's my biggest fan and supporter.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She always has been. And yeah, we have a she
lives in the apartment right above. Mind. She's moved out west.
She is doing great.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
She helps street people as much as she can. She
loves being in the community, helping out on the streets
as much as she can, and that's where she spends
most of her time.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
She she's extremely proud of you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
She's so proud, insanely proud. She will tell anyone that
looks at her, anyone that makes eye contact. Do you
know my son Jimbo. He is a world famous strike time.
He is so beautiful. Look at his instagram, follow his Instagram, like,
she is my biggest fan, and she exaggerates to oh
my god, he won an Emmy, he want a Grammy.
I'm like, Mom, no, I haven't won those things yet. Yeah,
(19:28):
she extrapolates.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So, so my question is there was one dark, dark
side of your parenting that was just like that you
really wish that you could have connected to. And then
there's this big presence that you connect to and that
you love, and so you absorb more energy from that area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
My mom told me that the world is going to
tell you now, they're going to try and stop you.
They're going to try and sit you down in front
of the TV and make you do what they did.
You have to say no over and over and over again.
You need to say no, this is what I'm doing,
and you need to fight for your position and you
(20:09):
need to fight for what you believe this to be true.
And so I did that over and over and over again.
Every time I had an idea or a concept where
I was like, this is the direction I'm going and
people said, hmmm, it's not like that, it's not done
that way or with us too hard or no. I
was like, okay, well I'm doubly doing it now. Like
now it's a challenge. I have to do this because
because they said no, So you know, she really taught
(20:30):
me to just keep my own vision, keep true to
myself as much as I can, and so that's really
helped me in terms of, you know, being an artist
and you know, being myself in the world and being
in the public eye and things. She's been a huge
supporter and my whole life, just telling me, like, stay
true to yourself and believe in yourself and don't you know,
(20:52):
do what society expects.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Of you, which is own. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, And she's always supported that. So that's been so
huge for me.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Where where are you originally from?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I grew up in London, Ontario, outside of Toronto, Tronta, Toronta, Trona, Canada,
in Canada.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, so you're a Canadian girl.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah yeah, Wow from across the border, Terri Free. So
you do know the Queen of the Nor, the Queen
of the Noor.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, my auntie, Queen of the Noor, Miss Brooklyn Heights.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I Love, I Love, I Love Love. That's my baby.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I Love, I Love. Yeah. And she, you know, she
likes to, she likes to.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
We like to tease each other that I kind of
owe it all to her after she eliminated me. If
she hadn't eliminated me, I wouldn't have one All Star.
So so I like to thank her for that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
The Queen of the nor, the Queen of the noise.
How many times did you audition for drag Race? Just once? WHOA?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah. I was fortunate enough that I had been watching
drag Race for a long time with my friends and
Brooklyn came on. She was the first Canadian on the
American show, and that gagged us. We were like, okay,
so there's a way, somehow this Canadian has gotten onto
American TV. And so you know, I was trying to
(22:28):
figure that out and like, how do I do that?
And it's even possible? And then it was announced Canada's
drag Race was happening. I was like, oh my god,
this is my SHOT's my ticket. And I had a friend,
Shiraz who had told me, who's a director and a
videographer and filmmaker.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
He said, if you ever want to be on drag Race, I.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Think you would be incredible on drag Race and I
would help you make your audition tape. So the time came,
the audition call came, I phone my friend, I said,
it's happening. Drag Race Canada helped me with my audition tape,
and so he was he really got my vibe, my
sensibility and was a really is a really talented director
(23:11):
and filmmaker, a videographer, editor, the whole thing. So he
was able to make this incredible audition audition tape which
they've said is one of the best that ever went
in so and I love its such a great tape.
I had so much fun with it, and I was
so grateful my theater and film background as a costume
designer for film and as a production designer for theater,
(23:33):
that was all my wheelhouse producing content and video and
costume and organization and presentation. So that's how I was
able to kind of pull from the reasons that I
had and use my skill set to elevate and present myself.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And then yeah, I got cast from from that on
Cana's drag.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Race going in, Did you know that you were going
to be like stand out? Did you hear the words
echoing and you from your dad saying go out and
make a name for yourself in the world.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Time. I didn't understand that. I remember going like I
remember being an elevator with one of the Queen's care,
and I said, do you think I'll have fans? And
they're like, yeah, girl, You're going to have fans. And
I was like, what, like, are you sure and they
said yeah, And so I thought, you know, maybe a few.
(24:27):
I thought, oh, you know, some people will gravitate towards
my drag, you know, a couple of thousands or whatever.
And then the show dropped and it was time by
you know, the universe with the pandemic and the lockdown.
It was almost simultaneous, and so it felt at the
(24:48):
time like, oh my god, my dreams have come true
and the whole world's on lockdown and this is the
worst case scenario. But what ended up happening was being
a clown when the world needed to laugh. And I
did my job as an end chainer and a clown,
and I was so grateful and still I'm so grateful
(25:09):
that I meet people all the time that go You
got me through that screaming on the mountain, you being
on that first Challengehere I'm up and I've got my
twisted Mickey outfit and I'm being blown by the wind
and I just absolutely I was taken by surprises. I
thought I was just climbing the hill. I thought that
was being hill in heels and go up that incline.
I was like, Oh, this isn't so bad at all.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And then they turn on the big fan.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I got absolute blown away, just screaming and going crazy,
and that was my first viral moment. And that from that,
like my followers just started going like every day like
one hundred thousand, like a two hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It was like a dream, like watching the numbers. It was.
It was so exciting. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It was like you know when you get the jackpotted
the casino and all the bells and and you know,
and you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was like that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It was with my partner, and people were sending me
screen caps and looking like, look, look at this is
growing it's growing up. It was so exciting to see
my art and my sense of humor and my point
of view resonate around the world with so many people,
and for the whole thing to be blowing up in
that way. It was just absolutely a dream. It was
so exciting, and.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So I guess, like, is it vindicating as a word.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
After my judgment on the show and after the filming process,
I hadn't the show hadn't been displayed to the fans yet,
so I was still stuck on my critiques I got
and my whole filming process. I was pretty devastated with
the way I was received by Brooklyn and Jeffrey and
the judges, and I was really heartbroken about how it
(26:44):
all happened. So I thought, we'll see what happens when
the fancy because I'm either I'm crazy or this didn't
feel great. And so then they played the show and
the audience went on my side and they were like, no,
like this is not right, this does not add up,
(27:06):
and we don't agree.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And it created this like crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Dynamic with me being this underdog and against the judges,
and that made for like such an exciting season of
people being you know, so twisted up and it was
so exciting. It was like the best thing you want
from from making TV is to have this insane reaction positive, negative, excited.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Piss like it was just so fun and so.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, I loved the transformation after the show was seeing
what it was when the audience came on my side
and said, no, no, we love you, we love this
point of view.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We think you should be in the top, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I was like, oh yeah, it just it just started out.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was everything and then but then they started to
come for Jeffrey and I had to. I was like, okay,
well let me defend him because you know, he doesn't
deserve all this hate for doing his job, which was
to be a Josh, to be you know, to be polarizing.
That's kind of those are the characters you want to
watch that make you feel something. So you know, that's
(28:14):
something that I think we all deal with us people online.
You want to give the people what they want, but
then you give them what they want.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And get mad. They get mad. Listen, I don't give
a fuck about all this stuff. I just want to
I really want you to know that that I don't
given by this stuff. Yo, don't given by this stuff.
They can get in those comments, they can get on
read it, they can do all this.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You're so good for letting people.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You can suck my ass every corner and you motherfuck
some my ass, be right. I love I live for
it because there's sometimes I may say something that I
don't really I don't mean, or I'm arguing with somebody
else or whatever, you know, and it's just like I
don't give a fuck as you man, I'm talking to
this yeah, yeah, you know, you know, but it's just
(29:04):
like that's not you know, you've been in my prayer.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I love I love all all the girls. Like when
I tell you, I get so excited judging. I get
so excited seeing y'all compete. I get so excited seeing
the challenges. I get so excited to see the drag
come down the stay because I'm a I am a fag,
so I'm a fact. So I'm sitting here watching all
this faggotry and I'm like, brow god damn good drama. Yeah,
(29:35):
you know, So I'm not over here like taking that
ship serious because I just I just feel like that
each one of you girls who walk down that stage
haves have a massive opportunity that queer people didn't have
back in the day. You get, you get the opportunity
to a massive amounts of fans and people that love you,
(29:56):
and people that's gonna stick with you and and.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And so port you and level those weird parts.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And they're money with you. And I hate to make
it monetary, but we got to make a living.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, as artists. Yeah, if you if you're not making
a living. You can't keep making art, You can't keep
doing the thing you're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, you're an artist, so you're making art and people
are buying your art, and this is what makes you
be able to sustain and be a star. Like, yeah,
So I want the girls not to take the stuff
so so serious and be like, oh, I should have won.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't know, right, you did win, You did win,
You got on TV, you got a fan base, you
got an opportunity to show yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Make it work, right, make it work.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, And you know a lot of my sisters I've
talked to them about when they get there, it's hard
because you're given this opportunity that you haven't been given before,
or people in our community haven't been given. So they
go in with this huge sense of responsibility that translates
into seriousness or into just intensity. And you know, I'm
(31:01):
really good at being playful, and so I really try
to encourage, like on the set and with the girls back,
so it should be playful into bee lights. But it's
hard for some girls who haven't been given a lot
of opportunities. When they get there, they want it to
go so good, they want to represent so well, and
they're not really able to be silly because they're going,
I can't be silly.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
This is so serious. This is my future, this is
my community, this is my past.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So and it's like, girl, Yes, it is your future,
it is your community. Ship live it now.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, laugh at it fun. Yeah, let's laugh together, have fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You're gonna win either way it goes. If you make
it work for you, you'll win either way it goes.
So I got a couple of questions that I want
to know personally from from Yon two. I see you
have a voluptuous look, very volus thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I see that you also are.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Very much soious. Have you ever wanted to transition?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I think I think have I ever wanted transition? I
think I love like the idea of it because I
love so much about the power and the expression that
I get from the side of myself.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But I definitely.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Feel like a man in in my man life. I
don't feel like when I'm in my man life that
I should that I need that feminine energy in my presence,
my personal presence that I'm exuding. So that's that's the
way I know that I'm not trans like when I
when I'm out of drag. I want to take these
(32:45):
nails off, and some of the girls they want to
keep the nails on. And that's how that's kind of
like a symbol like mentally like, oh, do you want
to keep your nails on every day? And when you're
doing the keypad and when you're stuck in the deck,
do you want to see these nails?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Do you want that fantasy?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah, it's at the same time, secretarial, blow job, working girl.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You were good at that. That's not your first time
working girl in your eye, like you like it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm the first Melanie Griffith working girl.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, so yeah, so so yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I think I think as someone on the spectrum that
I think there is there is something in there, some
energy in there.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
But I definitely love being also a boy and.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
A drag queen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I'm definitely a drag queen.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, because because a drag queen. Well, I don't want
to get into the label because we got too many
labels as it is. But I know, I know the
drag is not an identity, it's an art.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And usually when when you're doing drag, like you take
the drag off. Yeah, so when you come when you
out of drag, you out of drag.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
But it's kind of a weird mix because I'm also
sometimes the last person to get out of drag, and
I'm also the person that will be in drag on
my vacation when I want to just live my life.
So it's a it's a weird mix because I want
to go. You know, Brooklyn's always bugging me, like you're
on vacation, bitch, leave the drag. But I'm like, no,
I need to get my life, Like I need to
(34:24):
put on my hair and go to the ocean. I
need to run on the beach with my body. I
need to, you know, live my life in Greece with
my beautiful breast and run through.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, you know what I mean. Like there's such
there's so much that I need to do as a
girl in the world.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, I'll try the video of me running all around.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
What's the place that's all white buildings, miconos, mcconnos, grease,
Oh my god, I had a beautiful, damn maconose that
just terrorized that quiet little town.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
They had to repaint the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
After So okay, so you enjoy the the attention. I
wonder if That's what it is if you enjoy the
commotion and all this stuff. Okay, I love you, love
all of them. You love him as I'm here?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yes, yeah, I like on a cruise, like if I'm
the only person being extra. I love that by the pool,
all come down the stairs, Everyone's like the fuck?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Who is that?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And then I'm like, you know, play the track.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'll dance to everyone, you know, flip the tables, shock
the old people, you know, steal someone's husband.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And then you'll go back to the room and come
downstairs and be like, who where she go?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
She was a whole mess?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Where did that bitch go?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But yeah, I love that part and only a few,
very few complaints.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's it's you love so you. This is a part
of your alter ego that you love, and you love
being in your alter ego. Like you feel free here? Yeah,
you feel that one with yourself? Yeah, happy, happy, beautiful, beautiful, honey, done.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But comfortable, extravag strapped, strapped down, a little loaded down.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I feel sometimes I feel like I'm a walking garage
sail just peeking out.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Are you a walking garage seal? God, damn it? Peeking out?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm for see what do you want? Yeah, put trinkets
in the back, but put me back down. Yeah, but
put me back, take me out, but put me by
putting back because I want to sell more.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I got more to do.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay. So, Jimbo, were you a clown before this? Like
did you? Did you do clown work?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So essentially everyone is a clown. Everyone has a clown
inside them.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Well, I've had one.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah. How big was he?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It was a little person.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yes, you're so lucky. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Wow, my mom had an affair with a little person
before and I loved little people.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So yeah, but but he, but he was he was
dressed as a clown.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh my god. Yeah, is this King Dwarf?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
No, okay, because King Dwarf also dressed like a clown,
a little person with a huge deck.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, and he did my music video big top. Was
he a porn star your friend?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, he wasn't. He was just a little person that
they had a big.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Dick, the little person with a big dream.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, big dream and wanted me to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
On it right, pop on and take nap.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That's my dream. I was like, now, but you know,
we had a good time. But but you know, you said,
everybody has a little clown in them.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yes, everyone has a clown in them.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And it's really I think that that's why clowning works
is you kind of you speak to the humanity inside
another person.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Through absurdity and the absurdity of life.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And you're kind of connecting on a commonality and that's
the human experience. And I love clowning because it's really
about connecting with your audience. And it was my understanding
of performance prior to being a clown. I didn't understand
performance and understand the preparing and then you get out
(38:31):
there and you do it and then everyone claps for you,
and it's all about you. I just I couldn't understand that.
And then my clown teacher said, no, this is about
the audience. This isn't about you. When you're getting claps,
that's the audience thanking you for making them happy. And
it's not about them going you're amazing. It's them going
(38:52):
to thank you, thank you for what you're doing. And
I was like, oh, okay, they're thanking me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And then you know, the idea to conceive of something funny,
rehearse it, and then present it and the people find
it funny the way you want them to. That also
was a barrier for me. And clowning is about releasing
all that, and it's about being present and being honest
in the moment with yourself and your audience and listening
to what they want and getting yourself off at the
(39:20):
same time. And it's a balance. So much going on
it so much, but you also have to not think
about it. Just do it. You just do. You have
to put your brain in the backseat, go with your
worst idea, go with those things in your body that say, like,
don't do that, that's the thing you should do. If
the audience, when you get that audience going no, they're
not going to oh my god, we're going to Yeah.
(39:41):
Everyone wants you to do it whatever it is, you know,
lick the bottom of your shoe or you know, put
the turn in your mouth or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Everyone wants that really like a dah, they fucking did it.
And so I I love doing that for people.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I love being the one that's going to be do
the thing that people don't want to do but they
want to laugh at.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I love it people making people, help me, making people laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I need you to tell me about your about the
Work the World.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes, okay, yes, I'm doing Joan Rivers. Okay, I'm the
icon Jone Riffs. Can we talk t yes? Can we
talk about the tour?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Please?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Work the World, get your tickets. Work Theworld dot com.
It's me and my sisters, a bunch of bitches, literal
dog face sluts.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
No, it's so so fun.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
We're all doing celebrity impersonations. We've got Beyonce, We've got
Lady Gaga, we have Ariana Grande. Yeah. So it's the
girls there. We're doing celebrity impersonations. It's an award show format.
I host this Joan Rivers. I'm switching off with Sasha
Bulore coming up. But it's an incredible show. We make
you laugh. I do Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I do Dolly Parton. I'm still working on the boys.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
It's all right. You get one day hire big Tittisen.
What what kind of hair?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Oh? Blonde pubic hired my head? Now curtain's got a
Max carpet.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Bless your heart. Do I have some comp ticket?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yes, come to work the World.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I want to come work the world. Bit yes, bitch,
So what I got to visit visit www dot work.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The world dot com and that's w r Q. That's right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You're a good speller, very much, so I can do
a lot of things. Oh, go to show me listen
who concert only fan only only only only clowns.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yes, we're gonna be rich. I love you. I love
you too so much. Thank you to you.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I got two last questions. One, what was the first
thing you did with your prize money?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
The first thing I did with my prize money was
I did my show Jimbosdrag Circus. I had a dream,
you know, being a theater kid, working in theater, moving
into film. I had an incredible and I still have
an incredible community of artists and directors and filmmakers and
sewers and prop makers and set designers that all saw
(42:09):
me and said one day, we're going to work for you.
And I said no, you guys like they said no,
we want to. We can't wait for it to be
the Jimbo Show and whatever the fuck it is, it's
going to be crazy, but we're in. And I was like,
oh god, you guys like who knows fingers crossed? You know,
I would love that someday. But it happened, and it
(42:29):
came true, and I had the money, and I had
the tour. I worked with Maria and Peter. They said,
we want to give you a solo tour, forty dates
around North America. And I was like, Okay, we fucking
did it. I've I've got the gig. I've got they
want it. Now I've got to figure out my fucking show.
And so I went back to my people. I said,
(42:51):
I've got it. I've got the money, I've got the gig.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And here I sat down, I wrote out my script
and my ideas and presented it oathered my community, and
it was so incredible to have a full circle moment
and to have my friends and my community all invest
and participate in something that was my dream come true.
So we use basically all the money I won and
made an incredible show. Jimbo strikes.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I guess, and you've made way more money than you've won.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yes, thank god, thank god. So you took it.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You took that two hundred thousand honey well minus the Texas.
You took that one fifty thousand whenever, and you invested
it in yourself and you've made a million bucks back.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
That's that's that's I tell the girls, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
This is you gonna always win. Yeah, if you make
it work.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
If you make it work, if you stay true to yourself,
if you stay true to your vision, if you know,
compromise when you have to, but stay on your ground
when you need to, and believe in yourself, then yeah,
you're you're gonna do the thing. And I'm a big
believer in the universe and manifestation, which I know you
are as well. And I manifest so much shit and
I'm so grateful. I have wonderful powers of manifestation. I'm
(44:09):
so so internally grateful for. And I'm a big believer
in positivity, in about envisioning things. Or my titty just farted,
I hope that's I mean, that was my stomach. I'm
hungry too, but yeah, my dream came true, and I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
My last question is what is next?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So what is next?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I'm working on scripts writing. I have movie ideas, several
of them, probably about ten. I have an idea for
a series, a kid's book. I have an idea for
my own book. I have an idea for a TV series,
a full movie. I also have idea for another play
(44:54):
I have my existing musical and I want to make
more music, and I want to become a better answer.
And I recently did my first acting gig in a
feature independent film and they said it was a natural.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So I want to keep acting. I want to challenge
myself and to.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Continue to weave in all the things I love about
life and art and keep plucking them out and weaving
them into what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'm going to give you a key to making all
that happen. The key is did not say I want
to do it, but to say I am going right?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
That is the key.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That's the key.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I am doing it.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yes, Yeah, I'm doing that.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, you're right, And I am doing that.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
I'm reading a book I'm writing every day, and so
I'm in the process of doing that.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
See how I went from I want to I am no.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
That It is very important because I think a lot
of us, including myself, spend a lot of time in
that I want to space for a long time going
I want to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I want to.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And it's hard to have the confidence or have the
material time or whatever it is that you need to
take that for a step. But when you do it
with confidence and you're sure that this is what my
plan is, and yeah, it works.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Out wanting it's the car driving slow, I am is
the car driving.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Okay, thank you. Yeah, that's hopeful, very much, Solf.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, Jimbo, I love you.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yes, I love you.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I love you. I love you, I love you, I
love you. I didn't want to know what was? How
was the first time? What was the first time you
found me? Where you found me?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Was?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It?
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Was?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It? My god, the first time I found you was basically,
I think at the dawn of the Internet.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I'm old.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
The dawn of the internet thing is the first thing
I've waited hours download.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I'm old.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But I remember just laughing at you know, I gravitated
someone like Joan Rivers. I'm currently on the World hosting
as Joan Rivers, and I love a reverence. I love
the courage to say what the fuck's on your mind,
and regardless of how it's going to be received. I
think it's important to say what you want to say.
As long as you're coming at it with a good intention.
(47:09):
You can always change your mind. You can always go
back and say, actually, you know, I was kind of
fucked up. Yeah the time, I may but you know
when you think about it, when you you know, go back.
So I I just love that about you. You're such
an inspiration to say I am going to fearlessly have
my say and have a position that I'm not going
(47:31):
to compromise on and I'm not going to be punished
for that either, correct, And so that's yeah, that's important
for as a comedian and as someone that we need
to take risks. If you want to make change in
the world as an artist, you need to take risks.
And we can't take risks if we're being policed by
everybody on anything we have.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
You can't take motherfucking risk if we being police. And
you always got to remember it's a clown inside.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Of every everybody, every single one.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I'm gonna get a clown to me this evening.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I love you, so thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Aliza Piece. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And Tis Madison.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Our supervising producer is Jessica Kriincicch and our producers are
Joey Pat and Common Bra. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is just crienticch. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi. Merrit
(48:41):
our show art is by Pablo Montenina. Got You Next Week, Honey,
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