December 23, 2025 • 50 mins
Today, TS Madison sits down with restaurateur, author, and "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star Kelli Ferrell for one of the funniest, realest, and most triumphant conversations of the season. From running Nana’s Chicken & Waffles to rebuilding her life after a divorce that nearly cost her half a million dollars, Kelli keeps it all the way real about what it takes to lose everything — and build it back better.
What starts as a kiki about grits and mimosa mixes turns into a masterclass in faith, business, and self-worth. Madison and Kelli swap stories about men who steal (literally and spiritually), the art of leaving with nothing but your kids and your peace, and why every woman deserves a “narcissist moment” to brag on herself without apology.
Also: divorce as divine intervention, stolen money and spiritual payback, co-parenting, being a “thick queen” in a skinny world, shared experiences between cis and trans women, "competition" in relationships, what it means to "build the table," the Atlanta dating scene, the stigma around sex on the first date, bad lace-front wigs, and the long road from Nana’s kitchen to "Real Housewives of Atlanta" peach-holding glory.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win two inches bedd bd bed bo yourself,
get a job, ricking honey, rickon.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Haters, he chasing.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It all. I'm black like that sbout living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. Honey, is it on?
(00:42):
Is it on? Is it staying recording? Oh my god,
this is t S Medicine coming to you loudlive and always.
I'm forever in color from the Outlaws Podcast with me.
Ain't nobody else gonna do it like I do with me? Today,
I have a good friend, a very beautiful woman, a
magnificent entrepreneur, an immaculate cook, and a woman who I
(01:10):
look up to as far as being a great business
owner and a great marketing genius of herself. And she
is now a real housewife of Atlanta ladies and gentlemen
and anything in between. Put your hands together. From my sister,
my good friend, Ms. Kelly Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh thank you now, Kenny?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Did I say your last name right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It don't even matter. It's about to change.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Because you know that's where I was going.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I love you, you know my love for you runs deep. Girl.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You know that's where I was going. Girl, what they say,
what's going? Yeah, it's my lipstick. My lipstick did it?
They ain't gonna see it. She can pull, she can
pop up collar that oh own own. So I kids
throw my sister my lipstick got on a shirt and
stuff like that. Or but we got a long history
(02:10):
of us together.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, yes we do.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
She used to have this place in Kanye's was called
Nana's Chicken and Waffle. But she has she has several
of those places, but one of them was in Kanye's.
And I remember me being hungry once and I googled
and I was like, I saw all the rave reviews
(02:34):
like the Nana's Chicken and Waffle. But I also pulled
up over there and I could never find a parking
so it kept me from going there. And then one
day I was like, let me go, and I walked
in there. He was like and then it was I
love you and we've been so tight, and I wanted
(02:56):
you to get that Sony's Barbecue. Yes, remember I said, Keller,
you need to get that son this barbecue place just
down the street down because it was going to demolish
and turn because you never there was never an empty
seat in Nana's Chicken. There was never there's never ever
an empty seat in Nana's Chicken. And I want to
(03:19):
reiterate this. I don't know about nobody else is restaurants
and brands. Yes, thank you on the Housewives of Anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, I ain't got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't need I don't got nothing to do with
it either.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I just know the food is good, the food food.
Thank you that the service, thank you that the family
feel thank you you remember you filmed in the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I did my TV show The Message Srip. But then
that's the only time because we had to stage it
like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But we had to find time.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
When it wasn't nobody, when it wasn't busy, because your
your businesses are never not busy like it is. It
is never not busy because the food is so good.
But I did all that. I did that at the
top of the show. And usually guys, you know, when
you guys are watching the podcast or you're hearing the podcast,
you know people. I always bring my friends and people
(04:31):
that I love. It's very rarely that I have somebody
in here that I don't know. And usually when we
sit down. It's because we have history with each other. Yes,
so there's a part of the show. It's called talking shit.
Oh okay, now the guests. Kelly, it's time for you
to talk your ship.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I've been talking shit all week.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You say, who who are you? What do you do?
What are you proud of? This is your time to shine,
So don't hold back. You get five minutes to do it.
And basically what I want you to do is look
in the camera over there, oh with any one of
these mothers cameras, and tell them, niggers, geez, my name
is Kelly Pharaoh. Formally I am. I want you to
(05:18):
run your accolades. I want you to run your restaurants.
I want you to run your business. I want you
to run your network. I want you to run I
want because the reason why it was important that I
did this a part a part of my show is
because I get a lot of backlash for being online
talking my shit about who I am, absolutely and not
just talking my shit about who I am, but talking
my ship and standing in I did this, I did that,
(05:39):
this and other and I think people should have the
right to do that and stand on the ship that
they've done and who they are, because people in the
public will try to underwhem what you've done, or they'll
try to sweep like, oh girl, you you ain't dead.
You ain't, you ain't and it's because they haven't accomplished anything.
And then they look at and they look at us,
(05:59):
who who brag on ourselves as narcissists. This is your moment.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm okay with being a narcissist. All right, Well, ladies
and gentlemen and everything in between. My name is Kelly Ferrell.
I am the owner and founder of Nana's Chicken and Waffles.
I am the cookbook author of Cooking with Kelly.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I am.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The creator of Cocktails with Kelly, Mimosa Mix, Cajun Grits,
twenty four Carra Gold Maple Syrup, and Nana's Traditional Waffle Mix.
I am the proud mother of four beautiful daughters. I
am a friend too many. I am a sister to
(06:52):
two other sisters. And I am in a moment to
myself right now where I I am just loving on
me and it is this chapter for me. So that's
who I am.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And you also miss that she is a housewife Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Clearly I forgot about that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know who don't hold a peach, but I
know who.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I know who's holding some peaches right now. I am.
I wore my peach for you, baby. Yes, and I
am a peach holder on the new season sixteen of
Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yes, I came in being a peach,
not a friend, but a peach.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I love the way that you said that in there.
I came in holding a peech, not a friend.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
See, I'm gonna come in as a friend and then
I'm gonna end up holding a piece.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Come on, friend, come on, friend, I'm s running for you.
What's your tagline gonna be?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I may not have a husband now, but I've already
had one of yours.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I can't and this is why I live for you.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean, Andy, you already know girl, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, Now you're gonna have some panties and a bunch
with that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, I mean, well, listen, it's the truth. I mean,
I'm not lying.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, I know you ain't lying lying.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I've had a few husbands. They've not been mine.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a few house husbands.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, No, I don't know, I don't know a lot
of those girls have had not had real husbands that
have been real busy in the streets.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But all so you don't need no co you that
came in Chillian.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Here, I got to wrap up. That was a cold statement.
So let's talk about your origin story. Tell me about
a turning point or an experience, a source of inspiration,
or a Eureka moment that shaped the path that you're
on today.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh, I would say it would be my divorce. M hm,
what happened? Well, you gotta watch your show to see
what happened. But I think leaving, leaving something that was
(09:44):
so comfortable for me, and leaving something that was no
longer purpose purposeful for me, and just being in a
very happy situation. I think for me, that was my
strong point of survival mode. Right. So, like now, I
(10:09):
was married for eleven years. I know, eleven years, and
you know we have three beautiful children together, and you know,
we're able to accomplish so many things. But at some point,
sometimes you lose yourself. And I think being able to
leave on my own terms and having to start over.
(10:34):
You know, so many people didn't realize I had to
literally start start my life over again, and that is
the part that made me strong. It made me more
independent and I was able to, you know, learn myself again.
And you know still say I can be successful without you.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I remember coming into the restaurant and sitting down at
the table because you always had me like a good
table in the back over there, hunt because like I
want to be in the bag ye And I never
ever ordered off the menu. You just send it. So,
so food is coming. We eat, Mama eating, And you
(11:16):
came in there. You said, Maddie, you know, I'm getting
ready to have a divorce.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I was like, what, m.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What are you getting Why are you getting a divorce?
Because I remember when we were we were talking before
and you I thought that you were happy. I thought
you were happy. You I saw your nice BMW truck,
you know, which made me go by BMW truck. You
know I always look for Yeah, so I so you
(11:44):
had your BMW truck and you know you can't We
was we was kicking and you you were doing the
shows on the Food Network and you were putting your
cookbook together and you were still.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Married during this time, and I thought that you were happy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's why when when I was eating, I remember me
having a spoonful of fried oyster lobster tail and grits
and I'm due sauce. Yes, you love Yes, and I'm
breaking it off and I'm eating it and I was
like divorced. Then I said why what he did? And
(12:24):
he was like, well, girl, what didn't he do?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I always tell women I might not be a female,
but we have lots of shared experiences because my my
presentation is female presenting. I lived my life as a
as a woman. You know, I was born male. I
never shy away from that. I know that I'll never
be a female. So we don't have to tell y'all.
(12:50):
Don't got to get down in the comments and start
screaming all that ship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But I deal with men, and so my first thought
was the cheat. That was my first thought. And you
said you did a lot of things, and you told
me he did a lot of things, and you talked
about your business. That's when I failt you, m hm,
because a man will come in or a person let
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me not, let me not man bash. Yeah, a person
will come in and they'll fuck up the business. They'll
fuck up the business, they'll fuck up something that you've
worked hard or or you Nana's chicken and waffles and
nana stuff. That's your grandmother.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's my grandmother.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's not your blood. You can't come here fucking up
the churches money, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You you.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You can't come here being no uh liability when I'm
an asset to you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You see the table.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I put, I brought the table.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I bought it. I built it too. I built the
table too, and set the and set the plates on
the table, and serve up the food. And you ate,
and I ate.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We all ate me and you our children. And I
don't want to dig into your business. I'll let you
tell me whatever it is that you want to tell me.
You know, but you have the unmitigated gall to betray
or to cause fresher as something that was freely given
to you because I loved did you? Yeah? Hear that
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that was not loved.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I loved did you in real life? I loved you
in real life?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
How are you healing?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know what? Honestly, I've been so clearly, I've done counseling.
I never shy a way of telling that. Like, I
think it's super important for you to talk to someone, right,
I mean, thank God for my family and my friends,
but you know, talking to professional help thing definitely helps.
(15:02):
And I've just really just put myself into work and
my children, you know, business, my projects, and you know,
I do a lot of prayer. Maybe that Bible gets
me through some of my toughest days. And I think
when you talk about healing, that's not an overnight process.
Like it's imagine having to still co parent with someone
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that you're trying to heal from. Yeah, you know, it's
a hard situation. We still have children involved, and I
had to learn to forgive, to forgive and push forward.
And that's hard, that forgiveness part, especially when you have
somebody that's constantly like trying to tear you down.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But what he done did to you that? What's it?
Give me an example of a tear down. We want
to read this, nigga, but shit.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I mean, I think I think you've seen it.
I think we talked about on the second episode about
him taking almost five hundred thousand dollars from out the
company's bank account when I was on a trip to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wait a minute, hold on for those of you who
have not watched the show, but just talk to the people.
For those of who have not seen the show yet. Yeah,
boost them in there to go watch the show. Yes,
So just give us a little, a little small synopsis
of why are you getting in this massive divorce?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I had a conversation with a friend on the show
and we sat down in my living room and basically,
you know, she wanted to know why was I getting
a divorce? And a big turning point and why I
had to actually file for divorce is because money's some
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moneys were missing. We're stolen.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Oh it wasn't just missing, it was a different there's
a different it was taken with missing, but there's another
one stolen, stolen.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The money was stolen and uh it. You know, they
didn't give back, so we had to go to court unfortunately.
And you know, those were the turning points.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
What they did with the money, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that I can't you know, you can't talk about it,
but a little bit of what they did.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You gotta watch the show on the season.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
At it briefly you know about what some you know,
what he did with some of.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
There's the thing, why why not ask your wife? Why
not communicate with your wife and say, hey, I'd like
to invest or stall some kind of lie but don't
let me be on a fucking trip and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I roll over.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You don't think I'm gonna roll over and I'm missing
five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Baby, I rolled over right on that, saying, honey.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Colored man, you don't think that I'm not gonna roll
over and be missing five hundred. It ain't fifty thousand,
it ain't five five thousand, it ain't even five hundred. Listen,
I would roll over costs confusion if I'm missing five
hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, that was a big thing. So I had to
go meet with an attorney, you know, because I'm like,
how do I get the money back? And you know,
because I was it was that money was supposed to
be used for some other locations, and it just it
became a nightmare. And honestly, to be honest with you,
I thought that when I filed divorce for a divorce,
(18:56):
because it took me a second. My attorney was basically like,
you you have to make some type of decision like
you can't because if you, if you don't make a
decision like this could go completely left and it's a
possibility that you won't have anything. And I said, Okay,
I said, well, I'm going to do it, but I
don't think we're going to go through with it. I
think I really thought that me filing for divorce would
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scare him and that he would like get his act together.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And like, you know, so you still wanted to have
something with him.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I didn't want it to go down that route. I mean,
who gets married to get a divorce, right? You know
what I mean? Like, I was married for eleven years.
When you get married, you think that you're going to
be married to someone for a lifetime. I come from,
you know, the somebody h Well, you know, my grandparents
were married until my grandfather died, and my mom and
dad have been married for many years, and I, you know,
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I thought that we could be able to fix it,
and it just it was a domino effect. It just
things kept getting worse and worse and worse, and it
was no coming back from that. It was no coming
back from the amount of where I loved. I loved
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this person, and they just wanted to literally just like
tear me apart. He basically said, like, you won't have
anything without me, but you made the table. He didn't care.
He didn't care if I made the table. He didn't
care if I finished the wood. It was in his mind.
I needed him. I had to depend on him. I
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think about it. Even though I ran the restaurant and
did all of these things, I still let him be
the man.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So I didn't girl.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I couldn't tell you how much the mortgage was, a
car payment, a bill. I didn't have to do any
of that. I can say I was a kept woman,
even though I was putting the money into the pot.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It was certain things I didn't have to worry about.
So for me to leave him, he definitely didn't. And
I left nothing. Let me be very clear when I
tell you I left him. I left him, and he
told me I could take nothing in the house, nothing nothing.
I had rented a U haul truck. We had talked
about it. I said, at least let me, you know,
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take the living room set, so you know, the girls
can have something to sit on. And it was no
like left. I left my house with not one thing.
He told me, I can take nothing except your children,
except my children. So and I took my last little
bit of money and started to furnish my townhouse. Let
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me tell you something what many people don't know, I
slept on an air mattress for two months at my townhouse.
I didn't give a good guy, damn. I was determined
to figure it out and make it on my own.
He didn't help me financially. He wasn't paying child support.
He wasn't helping. No. Girl, Please don't get me started.
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You ain't got no alcohol, no champagne, no wine.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Girl. We do got his here, but listen, I drank this.
But we got to get y'all to sponsored our show
the next season, all right. So I want to get
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to a part because on many platforms that that I'm on,
I talked to women insensively about and I don't want
to come off as a man badcher, but I was
a prostitute majority of my life.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I didn't know that. Yeah, okay, I never knew that.
Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean I spent many years. That's why I said
I may not have had I may not have a
husband now, but I've already had your So that was
a prostitute when majority of my life. And so I've
a clientele with lots of men, lots of lots of men, married, single,
married and single at the same time a lot. And
(23:13):
I always tell women. You get to meet the guy
that's the representative. The gentleman sends his representative all the time.
He sends his I think people in general sending their representative,
but men particularly send their representative. You get to know
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that guy, get to know that person. That person is nice.
Oh my god, so he Oh see. I don't meet
the representative. I meet the man.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wow, that's pretty deep.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And because I'm trans also, I meet the dark dark
man they want to do all this shit. Wow, wow,
I meet the man. The man. Yeah. See, y'all meet
the representative, the one he's sending over there, like you know,
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the good guy. I meet that motherfucker from the door.
I want you to suck this dick. I want you
to pull them pennies down around you. Ain't gonna want
to fuck that ass. I want to suck that dicky.
Then if you got one, I'm gonna fuck you down.
I listen, Hey, I may not have a whole lot
of money, or I might got a lot of money.
I want to pay you this. I want to put
you up over here in this place, and you know
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pay I want to do this to other you know,
I got a wife and kids, or I may and
I got, I got a girlfriend, I got it in
the other I want to talk to you about all
the holes that I fucked with too. I want I
meet that and that's somebody's husband.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
That's somebody's husband, bitch who.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, I got this partnership that I'm doing with my homeboy.
Yeah you know what I'm saying. My wife got this,
you understan. I want you to feel how deep it is?
Why what and and this is the this is the
thing that I tell women I don't like. I get
a rapid times because you know these certain women who
I don't know what the fuck wrong with them? Bitches. Oh,
(25:15):
I'm jealous of them because they're women, and I'm mad
because I can't be no real woman and I hate
black women. I'll be like, girl, listen if you go
on somewhere there stupid as ship. But I want you
to know that I'm not envious of what you don't
understand that going out here in the rear the representative
you meet that that be at the wedding, dancing and
(25:36):
spinning around and I want to spend I said, if
you really want to get to know what the what
niggas is, meet the meet the not not just me
because I'm trans, but meet me. Meet Listen to the prostitute,
Listen to the hooker, Listen to the sex worker. Listen
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to what he's spent, what he does spend this time,
or what he well, you know, listen to that, because
they're telling you that motherfucker show up. Like That's why
it's very hard for me to have a very trusting,
a very like I'm always happy when I see women say, oh,
I'm getting married.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'll be like, good for you.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Praying yes, And I love love like you know, like
I want to partner. I don't think I'll ever get
married again, but I definitely want a life partner, like
I want somebody to do life with.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I want you to know this. I'm not telling you
or telling women to not go on days. Fuck that man,
love him, let me him eat that cheese, let him
wind and die.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So you think you should fuck on the first night, Yes,
just to see what's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Uh huh? Got town for all that?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Really?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I ain't nobody got town for that? Why is the
dick might be not big enough? And then you like, damn,
I got the fuck his homeboy, because I see his
home friends.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What we didn't pick the wrong home boy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I see his said.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now, we didn't picked the wrong friend. We didn't picked
the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
To end up doing this anyway. See this is way
I got to come on the show as you're free,
so we can have these two so I can say
ship like women meet the representative, I meet the man,
I meet the man. You meet you uh, and girls
like me and not just girls who are training like
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sex workers and men who you know. And I'm not
bashing men. And I don't want this to come up
as a bit as a man bashed. I just wanted
to be known. Yes, it's been your life, have a
good time. But if in the top of your conversation
you said, I put the money in the pot, but
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I didn't know how to pay the bills. I didn't
know how to do this. I didn't know he did
all that he banked on, that he banked on, that
he preyed on, that he counted on, that he counted
on that like you know what I'm saying. And so Kelly,
what tends to happen as women have this inherent thing
(28:29):
that's passed down to them of not servitude, but of
submission and you don't want to make the man feel
less of you, because listen, as a woman, a woman
of your high stature, a woman of your caliber, a
woman of who you are, Like it's business, you're gonna
always run into a man that either has less than
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you or he had. If he has more than you,
he can still be intimidated by you because there could
be some space or some area where you may reach
his level and surpass him, because you've got the ability
to do that. See, we got on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'm so serious. I had this conversation. So we talked
about and I think that was another thing with my
with my marriage. It was I want you to be successful,
but you can't be. Don't pass me, you can't pass me.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Don't pass me m hm, because now my manhood is
questioned and man and masculinity is so in this day
and time and in this state, excuse me, this city.
It's so fragile. It's so like you can't oh, you know,
you gotta be They gotta you know, because it's like
(29:44):
the ego and all that type of ship. I want
you to know the next time that you dance in
the dark mm hmm, lead the dance and stay the leader.
Let him think that he's leading the dance. Let a
man think you have to, let them think that they
(30:05):
have the upper hand. But you're always ten steps ahead.
Because the moment that they feel like they're ten steps
ahead you, they will take advantage of you. And it's
that it's very unfortunate. And it's not that they don't
love you. Yeah, And it's not that they don't appreciate
you when you are a successful woman, especially a successful
black woman. Sometimes he might be in a secret competition.
(30:29):
You might be a secret competition the motherfucker that you
lay in to bed with.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Isn't that crazy? I had to and I said to myself,
I asked him, how long have you hated me? Like?
How long?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't think that it was hate. I think it
was I don't think there was hate. I think that
it was intimidation that turned into bitterness, turned into bitterness.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yes, because for you to tell me that
you're a gentleman, let you leave with nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Y'all have four daughters? What about your girls? You got girls? Nigga?
You want your you want your girls to meet a
nigga like you? Are you crazy? Why are you not doing? Why? Why?
Are you not being in other backwards for their mama?
That's those those are women, Like, why are you not,
(31:23):
as a man sitting having your daughters. Your daughters are
gonna get married one day, or they're gonna date somebody
one day. You want you want you you want a
man doing this to your daughters, what you're doing to
your wife?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, mm hmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
How do you feel now? Now?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I am at a place where I'm just I'm okay.
You know. I had to forgive and I had to
be in a space where you know, like you said,
I do have four daughters and they are dependent on me,
and they are looking at me. I never talked bad
about their dad.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And but look at you still look at look at it.
Look at this. I want y'all to see this. You're
a black woman, still still protecting someone who told you
to leave with nothing. I know, and I really don't
(32:28):
think that black men pay attention enough to the way
that black women and even us black trans women hold
them down too. I don't be out on the street
talking about who I fucked this up and who I
did this and the other whatever. I don't do that.
My tagline is funny it's the truth, but it's funny.
(32:50):
But I don't be out there naming names, pointing this
and whatever, still protecting. Yeah, could be a motherfucker that
doesn't did some foul shit over that still protected. Look,
get you a woman, this man told you to leave
the fucking house with your four daughters and take nothing.
And you say, I'm not going to talk bad about
him to my daughters.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't. I don't and I never will. Now, what
I will do is because people will say, you know,
I'm sure they'll look at the show and see things
that I've shared when I do talk about him, I
always want everybody to know it's the truth. When I
do talk about him or share anything, it's it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Black men, you have to do better as black men.
Two black women and then the shit that would piss
me off is that they would go date outside of
their race. Oh, and then say us and then make
a statement and say, oh, I never get this in house,
don't get me, never do that. Come on, get started,
don't get me signed. I don't even know the depths
(33:55):
of the story, but I'm talking from a place of
and I'm not even a female. And it's not because
if because if I was a male dating a woman,
I would there are things that I've seen males do
to women that I wouldn't do. But this is me
as a black transgender woman who have who have experienced
this same stuff. So no, I may not be a female,
(34:16):
yeah no, and know I might not be a real
woman to the public. However, we have shared experiences to
where we can sit down as my own the lived
experience that we will never will never have is I
can never bear children, do a womb, and I can
never have a period. But but shared experiences we can
(34:40):
sit down and talk about niggas are all fucking day
niggas and the way that men treat women and the
way that men do the things to them presenting to
the way that they you know, especially black fem whatever
we could sit I'm it's stuff that we You ain't
even went in depth to talking to me.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That you will be like ship No, seriously, I mean,
you know he he loves a good a good you know,
d R trip. So I just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
With your money, you she won't, she won't bash baby.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You would be taking off more than that what I
really wanted to say, you'd be taking off more than
that if I really said what I really wanted to say.
But I'm gonna leave it at that. You know, I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Girl, I really want to dig, But then it's gonna
be like massing. Don't like men, master hate black men. No,
I don't let me tell you. I love a black man,
love a good old black man. Baby, listen, I love
a black man. Of BBC tie me up to the
back of a truck and dragged me down the street, honey,
taking me to the next BBC b Ah, Yes, drag
(36:03):
me like this to the next bb fucking scene. But
still can hold them accountable for the things. You know,
I'm accountable. So I want to shift here just a
(36:23):
little bit. How do you like being on Housewives of Atlanta?
How do you like the show? How do you like it?
What's what's been the what's the experience?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I love it? I love it. I actually had an
amazing time filming you. I had a great time. I
really did, you know. I'm so used to filming cooking
and you know, all of my like cooking shows, Food
Network own all of those amazing things. But to be
able to share my journey and my story, I said
(36:53):
to myself, I said, if if I do this, I
want to make sure that I can use my platform
too and buyer and to motivate, right, so you know,
just like and the baby, to sell every product, book
and everything else that I have besides my you know what,
(37:14):
I'll sell it for you, I sell it. But no,
I wanted to make sure that I could use the platform,
and honestly I did just that. You know, I think
people got to see me or are seeing me in
a different light because everybody thinks, right like social media,
(37:37):
it's like, oh, she has this perfect life and she's
successful when she's doing all these things. But nobody knew
the hell I was going through and still making it
all look so good.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I didn't know, and I mean I was going through hell,
literally and I still was able to get up and
put us all on my face and still sell waffles
and still get the kids off the school and still
do all these things. And I just wanted to be
able to share that to the world that nobody is
picture perfect. We all go through shit real life.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Shit Are you dating now?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Oof? Baby? The dating in Atlanta is gatho?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Okay, are you opposed to online dating.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, Cynthia asked me that I'm scared, bitch, I'm
scared about online dating. I feel like I'm gonna meet somebody,
they gonna tie me up, put me in the basement.
I'm just so scared. I'm scared I'm gonna get like catfish.
I don't know. And then Lamont was supposed to hook
me up with that one website where you gotta be uh,
(38:44):
what was it? Rayah? But I don't know. I've never
did online dating. You know, I'm so old school. You know,
I got married in my twenties. I mean, I haven't dated.
You know, I've been on a few dates, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But what what's a good date for you? Tell me
what's a good date?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
A good date for me is, you know, sending flowers?
I am romance. Give me the romance.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
She want the representative. Okay, see that's the damn problem.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I want to representative.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You want to representative?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Damn you want that? So how does that do you
get to the man?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
And what the man gonna come? He gonna come? I mean,
we love the representative.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I like a good representative represent for me.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So so, so what's a what is a raw conversation
with you and a man like are you in a
place now when you date that? That a raw conversation
is like, look, nigga, out of being mad. I got
four girls out on divorce. What you went too? You
went to side of me? B DSM? What you suck? Dig?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Will you do?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
How much money you got? Are you? Are you down
to like like I'm cutting dry with me? For me,
I'm cutting dry? Maybe what we're doing?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What are we doing? Okay? So I don't know if
I have asked all. I'm got your questions and you.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Got to be stern. You cross your leg like you
crossed the right here. Listen, nigga, I'm rich. Okay, whatever
you don't tell me, I will pay your private investigator out.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I do that before. Ran a few tags.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, is this a rental? I want? I want to
I want to lead on the line to tell you
because because I don't want to meet your representative no more, nigga,
I've heard met too many represents. I want to meet.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Who are you? Who are who are you? I don't know?
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And never never, sister, I mean never never tell me
and what you don't what you do and don't like
never tell them to never tell him never because will
never never tell them what you do, and don't like
let him do because whatever they do is it gonna be.
That's that's how you meet that that's not that's that's
(41:26):
how you meet the man. Let them do. Let them do.
If you see him, if he if he don't open
your door for you, he don't do that, that's not
his thing. Don't tell him. No, I want my doors open,
I want my dear because he gonna come doing that.
I won't flowers every Friday. I want this. Don't tell
that motherfucking nigga ship really. Let that motherfucker do exactly
(41:48):
what he gonna do. Let him do it, because that
way you'll know who he is. Yes, because then he'll
pattern himself after he'll pattern't fixing the light or she
don't like that, and then once he's what's he not gotcha?
And y'all here he cocking his leg up far and burn.
(42:10):
You know what I'm saying. Listen, I'm coming on the
show and do the same conversation with you. You have to,
you have to.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Maybe, I don't know, maybe you can set me up
on a blind a. Yeah, I'm coming on. Maybe you
can help me figure out who the who the man is?
Get me to the man, not the representative.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, because you need to be stern. You have to
be right now. You you don't have time. You're you're, you're,
you're a beautiful woman, and you're you're a successful woman.
You got time. I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And my tolerance level is so bad I will cut,
I will stop talking to you, and three two one.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But over what though?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It could just be the littlest things.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The men are different, Like, the men are just different.
It's like they don't know how to court women. It's
just you know. And I hate a man with Instagram?
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Is that bad?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I hate a man that's like on Instagram live and
talking and taking photo shoot pictures. And I don't like that.
Zesty ship, I just I just too what is you?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Oh? Hold on?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Well all right, somebody at the back door.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Somebody at the door.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh well ship that we now? Oh okay, Well, because
we done got down to this point, Lawrence, Yes, because
we done got down to this part. This is this
is this, this is amazing to lead me into my segment. Okay, God,
there's a segment I called I have. It's called ban
it Bitch. Okay, So here's how it works. Okay, we
(44:06):
each get one minute to make our case for what
needs to go. Like, if you rule the world, what
would you band? You know what I'm saying, because like
right now they're baning LBGTQ books, drag shows, and even
our very existence as black people. Okay, but we flipping
the script, so now we turn it into now we banning.
(44:27):
So if you rule the world, what is something that
you would ban? And here's how it works. I'm going
to go first, and the people in the booth in there,
they're gonna keep track of time, okay, and so what
they're gonna do they're gonna count me down, like once
I'm reading and I got thirty seconds on it, and
then they got ten seconds on it and then so
let me just show you how to go. Y'all ready
(44:48):
in now, y'all ready? Okay, all right. My name is
Tis Madison, And if I ran the world, I would
ban people not have having sex on the first day.
I would ben the judgment and the stigma around people
not having sex on the first day. I just personally
(45:10):
feel like if you are out here in the world
and you're dating someone and you're kicking it with him,
and you have a your human being, and you have
an urger you want to ride, suck fuck getting the
buck hunted and see if that chicken really cluck? Do
what you wanna do? You feel me like, because you're
gonna get it. If it's in the cars, he gonna
be a body anyway. You know what I'm saying. Nobody
(45:32):
got time for that to be around here kicking it
with a man and then he his stroke game is awful.
I'd have mest some fan, pretty sexy, gorgeous men who
ain't got no stroke. Dick. We hitting all trash and
now I got to get his homeboy. I should have
hit the homeboy first. Matter of fact, I'm gonna go
ahead on and do it anyway. How you doing? Are
we done?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm betting?
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Okay, that's how bad it work.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
That's how bad it bitch ware.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
It could be anything you want to be in.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Let me think about what I want to ban. What
annoys means. I'm a band. I'm a band lace front.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Okay. My name is Kelly Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
My name is Kelly Farrell. And if I rule the world,
I would band lace fronts. Why I hate a fucking
lace front. Let me tell you something going like going
out with girls or being in and you and you
sit there and you stay at him. It's like, bitch,
I see the lace. I hate that. That bothers me.
It bothers me. When I can see the lace, when
I can see the part, when I can see the net,
(46:39):
I just don't think it's good. I think it's so
many fabulous wigs. You know what I'm saying. I think
you can get tape in, you get the k tips.
I take that fucking stupid ass lace front off. I
hate that. You know how many of my my employ
my coworkers out of seen. I'm like, bitch, I make
them put the makeup on there or something.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
It bothers me. I hate a lace Frint, ban it
make them gone lace? Frint.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes, I love a lace, but banded if we got that,
bitch band a lace you mean bad bad laces?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Okay, well bad laces. I ain't seen a good one yet.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
On a show full of women with lace front.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh Jesus, take some damn laces off.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Thank you so much for coming. Thank you, I love you.
Thank you. I love you too. Thank you for letting
me pour into you. Thank you let me talk to
you about this. Thank you because I really want you
to feel what I'm telling you. You know what I'm saying.
I really want you to go out here in this world,
and I really want you to the next time that
you have go around and then in the spind you
(47:57):
just got to be blunt. Okay, how big is it?
M do we got skin on it?
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Do we ask for pictures? Let me see?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, we want to pull it out, let me see.
I can work with it. I can handle that. Okay, No, no,
I can't handle that. I don't want to ask you
how many miles you got on it, but I really
do because I know you're gonna lie to me while
you got Instagram. What you're doing on Insta?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know, just absolutely absolutely to save yourself. Yes, a
lot of time, like e lev Yes, I'm sacrificing, bitch.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
To save yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I got to go hard on the plain.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I gotta go hard.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I love your sister.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yes, listen, I'm glad that you came because now I
told y'all I was gonna get on the housewives of Alina.
I'm coming in as a free but I'm leaving with
a gaggle of peaches. Yes you are, baby, I'm leaving
with some baby. Thank y'all for tuning in. Yes, bye,
(49:10):
bye bye. Who did we do it?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh? My God?
Speaker 1 (49:18):
And word it was good. Outlaws is a production of
the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece. I'm your
host Tis Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz,
Maya Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising producer is Jessica
(49:41):
Krinchich and our producers are Joey pat and Common mol
Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz and our sound editor
is Just Crime. Our associate producer is Trent high Tower
Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme
song is composed by Wazi Mayer. Our show art is
by Pablo Martinena Cat You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win two inches bedd bd bed bo yourself,
get a job, ricking honey, rickon.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Haters, he chasing.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It all. I'm black like that sbout living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. Honey, is it on?
(00:42):
Is it on? Is it staying recording? Oh my god,
this is t S Medicine coming to you loudlive and always.
I'm forever in color from the Outlaws Podcast with me.
Ain't nobody else gonna do it like I do with me? Today,
I have a good friend, a very beautiful woman, a
magnificent entrepreneur, an immaculate cook, and a woman who I
(01:10):
look up to as far as being a great business
owner and a great marketing genius of herself. And she
is now a real housewife of Atlanta ladies and gentlemen
and anything in between. Put your hands together. From my sister,
my good friend, Ms. Kelly Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh thank you now, Kenny?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Did I say your last name right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It don't even matter. It's about to change.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Because you know that's where I was going.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I love you, you know my love for you runs deep. Girl.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You know that's where I was going. Girl, what they say,
what's going? Yeah, it's my lipstick. My lipstick did it?
They ain't gonna see it. She can pull, she can
pop up collar that oh own own. So I kids
throw my sister my lipstick got on a shirt and
stuff like that. Or but we got a long history
(02:10):
of us together.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, yes we do.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
She used to have this place in Kanye's was called
Nana's Chicken and Waffle. But she has she has several
of those places, but one of them was in Kanye's.
And I remember me being hungry once and I googled
and I was like, I saw all the rave reviews
(02:34):
like the Nana's Chicken and Waffle. But I also pulled
up over there and I could never find a parking
so it kept me from going there. And then one
day I was like, let me go, and I walked
in there. He was like and then it was I
love you and we've been so tight, and I wanted
(02:56):
you to get that Sony's Barbecue. Yes, remember I said, Keller,
you need to get that son this barbecue place just
down the street down because it was going to demolish
and turn because you never there was never an empty
seat in Nana's Chicken. There was never there's never ever
an empty seat in Nana's Chicken. And I want to
(03:19):
reiterate this. I don't know about nobody else is restaurants
and brands. Yes, thank you on the Housewives of Anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, I ain't got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't need I don't got nothing to do with
it either.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I just know the food is good, the food food.
Thank you that the service, thank you that the family
feel thank you you remember you filmed in the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I did my TV show The Message Srip. But then
that's the only time because we had to stage it
like that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But we had to find time.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
When it wasn't nobody, when it wasn't busy, because your
your businesses are never not busy like it is. It
is never not busy because the food is so good.
But I did all that. I did that at the
top of the show. And usually guys, you know, when
you guys are watching the podcast or you're hearing the podcast,
you know people. I always bring my friends and people
(04:31):
that I love. It's very rarely that I have somebody
in here that I don't know. And usually when we
sit down. It's because we have history with each other. Yes,
so there's a part of the show. It's called talking shit.
Oh okay, now the guests. Kelly, it's time for you
to talk your ship.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I've been talking shit all week.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You say, who who are you? What do you do?
What are you proud of? This is your time to shine,
So don't hold back. You get five minutes to do it.
And basically what I want you to do is look
in the camera over there, oh with any one of
these mothers cameras, and tell them, niggers, geez, my name
is Kelly Pharaoh. Formally I am. I want you to
(05:18):
run your accolades. I want you to run your restaurants.
I want you to run your business. I want you
to run your network. I want you to run I
want because the reason why it was important that I
did this a part a part of my show is
because I get a lot of backlash for being online
talking my shit about who I am, absolutely and not
just talking my shit about who I am, but talking
my ship and standing in I did this, I did that,
(05:39):
this and other and I think people should have the
right to do that and stand on the ship that
they've done and who they are, because people in the
public will try to underwhem what you've done, or they'll
try to sweep like, oh girl, you you ain't dead.
You ain't, you ain't and it's because they haven't accomplished anything.
And then they look at and they look at us,
(05:59):
who who brag on ourselves as narcissists. This is your moment.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I'm okay with being a narcissist. All right, Well, ladies
and gentlemen and everything in between. My name is Kelly Ferrell.
I am the owner and founder of Nana's Chicken and Waffles.
I am the cookbook author of Cooking with Kelly.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I am.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The creator of Cocktails with Kelly, Mimosa Mix, Cajun Grits,
twenty four Carra Gold Maple Syrup, and Nana's Traditional Waffle Mix.
I am the proud mother of four beautiful daughters. I
am a friend too many. I am a sister to
(06:52):
two other sisters. And I am in a moment to
myself right now where I I am just loving on
me and it is this chapter for me. So that's
who I am.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And you also miss that she is a housewife Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Clearly I forgot about that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know who don't hold a peach, but I
know who.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I know who's holding some peaches right now. I am.
I wore my peach for you, baby. Yes, and I
am a peach holder on the new season sixteen of
Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yes, I came in being a peach,
not a friend, but a peach.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I love the way that you said that in there.
I came in holding a peech, not a friend.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
See, I'm gonna come in as a friend and then
I'm gonna end up holding a piece.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Come on, friend, come on, friend, I'm s running for you.
What's your tagline gonna be?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I may not have a husband now, but I've already
had one of yours.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I can't and this is why I live for you.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I mean, Andy, you already know girl, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, Now you're gonna have some panties and a bunch
with that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I mean, I mean, well, listen, it's the truth. I mean,
I'm not lying.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, I know you ain't lying lying.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I've had a few husbands. They've not been mine.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a few house husbands.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, No, I don't know, I don't know a lot
of those girls have had not had real husbands that
have been real busy in the streets.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But all so you don't need no co you that
came in Chillian.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Here, I got to wrap up. That was a cold statement.
So let's talk about your origin story. Tell me about
a turning point or an experience, a source of inspiration,
or a Eureka moment that shaped the path that you're
on today.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh, I would say it would be my divorce. M hm,
what happened? Well, you gotta watch your show to see
what happened. But I think leaving, leaving something that was
(09:44):
so comfortable for me, and leaving something that was no
longer purpose purposeful for me, and just being in a
very happy situation. I think for me, that was my
strong point of survival mode. Right. So, like now, I
(10:09):
was married for eleven years. I know, eleven years, and
you know we have three beautiful children together, and you know,
we're able to accomplish so many things. But at some point,
sometimes you lose yourself. And I think being able to
leave on my own terms and having to start over.
(10:34):
You know, so many people didn't realize I had to
literally start start my life over again, and that is
the part that made me strong. It made me more
independent and I was able to, you know, learn myself again.
And you know still say I can be successful without you.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I remember coming into the restaurant and sitting down at
the table because you always had me like a good
table in the back over there, hunt because like I
want to be in the bag ye And I never
ever ordered off the menu. You just send it. So,
so food is coming. We eat, Mama eating, And you
(11:16):
came in there. You said, Maddie, you know, I'm getting
ready to have a divorce.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I was like, what, m.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What are you getting Why are you getting a divorce?
Because I remember when we were we were talking before
and you I thought that you were happy. I thought
you were happy. You I saw your nice BMW truck,
you know, which made me go by BMW truck. You
know I always look for Yeah, so I so you
(11:44):
had your BMW truck and you know you can't We
was we was kicking and you you were doing the
shows on the Food Network and you were putting your
cookbook together and you were still.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Married during this time, and I thought that you were happy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's why when when I was eating, I remember me
having a spoonful of fried oyster lobster tail and grits
and I'm due sauce. Yes, you love Yes, and I'm
breaking it off and I'm eating it and I was
like divorced. Then I said why what he did? And
(12:24):
he was like, well, girl, what didn't he do?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I always tell women I might not be a female,
but we have lots of shared experiences because my my
presentation is female presenting. I lived my life as a
as a woman. You know, I was born male. I
never shy away from that. I know that I'll never
be a female. So we don't have to tell y'all.
(12:50):
Don't got to get down in the comments and start
screaming all that ship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But I deal with men, and so my first thought
was the cheat. That was my first thought. And you
said you did a lot of things, and you told
me he did a lot of things, and you talked
about your business. That's when I failt you, m hm,
because a man will come in or a person let
(13:17):
me not, let me not man bash. Yeah, a person
will come in and they'll fuck up the business. They'll
fuck up the business, they'll fuck up something that you've
worked hard or or you Nana's chicken and waffles and
nana stuff. That's your grandmother.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's my grandmother.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's not your blood. You can't come here fucking up
the churches money, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You you.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You can't come here being no uh liability when I'm
an asset to you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You see the table.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I put, I brought the table.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I bought it. I built it too. I built the
table too, and set the and set the plates on
the table, and serve up the food. And you ate,
and I ate.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We all ate me and you our children. And I
don't want to dig into your business. I'll let you
tell me whatever it is that you want to tell me.
You know, but you have the unmitigated gall to betray
or to cause fresher as something that was freely given
to you because I loved did you? Yeah? Hear that
(14:30):
that was not loved.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I loved did you in real life? I loved you
in real life?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
How are you healing?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know what? Honestly, I've been so clearly, I've done counseling.
I never shy a way of telling that. Like, I
think it's super important for you to talk to someone, right,
I mean, thank God for my family and my friends,
but you know, talking to professional help thing definitely helps.
(15:02):
And I've just really just put myself into work and
my children, you know, business, my projects, and you know,
I do a lot of prayer. Maybe that Bible gets
me through some of my toughest days. And I think
when you talk about healing, that's not an overnight process.
Like it's imagine having to still co parent with someone
(15:27):
that you're trying to heal from. Yeah, you know, it's
a hard situation. We still have children involved, and I
had to learn to forgive, to forgive and push forward.
And that's hard, that forgiveness part, especially when you have
somebody that's constantly like trying to tear you down.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But what he done did to you that? What's it?
Give me an example of a tear down. We want
to read this, nigga, but shit.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I mean, I think I think you've seen it.
I think we talked about on the second episode about
him taking almost five hundred thousand dollars from out the
company's bank account when I was on a trip to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wait a minute, hold on for those of you who
have not watched the show, but just talk to the people.
For those of who have not seen the show yet. Yeah,
boost them in there to go watch the show. Yes,
So just give us a little, a little small synopsis
of why are you getting in this massive divorce?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
I had a conversation with a friend on the show
and we sat down in my living room and basically,
you know, she wanted to know why was I getting
a divorce? And a big turning point and why I
had to actually file for divorce is because money's some
(16:58):
moneys were missing. We're stolen.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Oh it wasn't just missing, it was a different there's
a different it was taken with missing, but there's another
one stolen, stolen.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The money was stolen and uh it. You know, they
didn't give back, so we had to go to court unfortunately.
And you know, those were the turning points.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
What they did with the money, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that I can't you know, you can't talk about it,
but a little bit of what they did.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You gotta watch the show on the season.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
At it briefly you know about what some you know,
what he did with some of.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
There's the thing, why why not ask your wife? Why
not communicate with your wife and say, hey, I'd like
to invest or stall some kind of lie but don't
let me be on a fucking trip and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I roll over.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You don't think I'm gonna roll over and I'm missing
five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Baby, I rolled over right on that, saying, honey.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Colored man, you don't think that I'm not gonna roll
over and be missing five hundred. It ain't fifty thousand,
it ain't five five thousand, it ain't even five hundred. Listen,
I would roll over costs confusion if I'm missing five
hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, that was a big thing. So I had to
go meet with an attorney, you know, because I'm like,
how do I get the money back? And you know,
because I was it was that money was supposed to
be used for some other locations, and it just it
became a nightmare. And honestly, to be honest with you,
I thought that when I filed divorce for a divorce,
(18:56):
because it took me a second. My attorney was basically like,
you you have to make some type of decision like
you can't because if you, if you don't make a
decision like this could go completely left and it's a
possibility that you won't have anything. And I said, Okay,
I said, well, I'm going to do it, but I
don't think we're going to go through with it. I
think I really thought that me filing for divorce would
(19:19):
scare him and that he would like get his act together.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And like, you know, so you still wanted to have
something with him.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I didn't want it to go down that route. I mean,
who gets married to get a divorce, right? You know
what I mean? Like, I was married for eleven years.
When you get married, you think that you're going to
be married to someone for a lifetime. I come from,
you know, the somebody h Well, you know, my grandparents
were married until my grandfather died, and my mom and
dad have been married for many years, and I, you know,
(19:48):
I thought that we could be able to fix it,
and it just it was a domino effect. It just
things kept getting worse and worse and worse, and it
was no coming back from that. It was no coming
back from the amount of where I loved. I loved
(20:13):
this person, and they just wanted to literally just like
tear me apart. He basically said, like, you won't have
anything without me, but you made the table. He didn't care.
He didn't care if I made the table. He didn't
care if I finished the wood. It was in his mind.
I needed him. I had to depend on him. I
(20:35):
think about it. Even though I ran the restaurant and
did all of these things, I still let him be
the man.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So I didn't girl.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I couldn't tell you how much the mortgage was, a
car payment, a bill. I didn't have to do any
of that. I can say I was a kept woman,
even though I was putting the money into the pot.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But I did.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It was certain things I didn't have to worry about.
So for me to leave him, he definitely didn't. And
I left nothing. Let me be very clear when I
tell you I left him. I left him, and he
told me I could take nothing in the house, nothing nothing.
I had rented a U haul truck. We had talked
about it. I said, at least let me, you know,
(21:16):
take the living room set, so you know, the girls
can have something to sit on. And it was no
like left. I left my house with not one thing.
He told me, I can take nothing except your children,
except my children. So and I took my last little
bit of money and started to furnish my townhouse. Let
(21:40):
me tell you something what many people don't know, I
slept on an air mattress for two months at my townhouse.
I didn't give a good guy, damn. I was determined
to figure it out and make it on my own.
He didn't help me financially. He wasn't paying child support.
He wasn't helping. No. Girl, Please don't get me started.
(22:01):
You ain't got no alcohol, no champagne, no wine.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Girl. We do got his here, but listen, I drank this.
But we got to get y'all to sponsored our show
the next season, all right. So I want to get
(22:29):
to a part because on many platforms that that I'm on,
I talked to women insensively about and I don't want
to come off as a man badcher, but I was
a prostitute majority of my life.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I didn't know that. Yeah, okay, I never knew that.
Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean I spent many years. That's why I said
I may not have had I may not have a
husband now, but I've already had your So that was
a prostitute when majority of my life. And so I've
a clientele with lots of men, lots of lots of men, married, single,
married and single at the same time a lot. And
(23:13):
I always tell women. You get to meet the guy
that's the representative. The gentleman sends his representative all the time.
He sends his I think people in general sending their representative,
but men particularly send their representative. You get to know
(23:34):
that guy, get to know that person. That person is nice.
Oh my god, so he Oh see. I don't meet
the representative. I meet the man.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wow, that's pretty deep.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And because I'm trans also, I meet the dark dark
man they want to do all this shit. Wow, wow,
I meet the man. The man. Yeah. See, y'all meet
the representative, the one he's sending over there, like you know,
(24:12):
the good guy. I meet that motherfucker from the door.
I want you to suck this dick. I want you
to pull them pennies down around you. Ain't gonna want
to fuck that ass. I want to suck that dicky.
Then if you got one, I'm gonna fuck you down.
I listen, Hey, I may not have a whole lot
of money, or I might got a lot of money.
I want to pay you this. I want to put
you up over here in this place, and you know
(24:32):
pay I want to do this to other you know,
I got a wife and kids, or I may and
I got, I got a girlfriend, I got it in
the other I want to talk to you about all
the holes that I fucked with too. I want I
meet that and that's somebody's husband.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
That's somebody's husband, bitch who.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, I got this partnership that I'm doing with my homeboy.
Yeah you know what I'm saying. My wife got this,
you understan. I want you to feel how deep it is?
Why what and and this is the this is the
thing that I tell women I don't like. I get
a rapid times because you know these certain women who
I don't know what the fuck wrong with them? Bitches. Oh,
(25:15):
I'm jealous of them because they're women, and I'm mad
because I can't be no real woman and I hate
black women. I'll be like, girl, listen if you go
on somewhere there stupid as ship. But I want you
to know that I'm not envious of what you don't
understand that going out here in the rear the representative
you meet that that be at the wedding, dancing and
(25:36):
spinning around and I want to spend I said, if
you really want to get to know what the what
niggas is, meet the meet the not not just me
because I'm trans, but meet me. Meet Listen to the prostitute,
Listen to the hooker, Listen to the sex worker. Listen
(25:57):
to what he's spent, what he does spend this time,
or what he well, you know, listen to that, because
they're telling you that motherfucker show up. Like That's why
it's very hard for me to have a very trusting,
a very like I'm always happy when I see women say, oh,
I'm getting married.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'll be like, good for you.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Praying yes, And I love love like you know, like
I want to partner. I don't think I'll ever get
married again, but I definitely want a life partner, like
I want somebody to do life with.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I want you to know this. I'm not telling you
or telling women to not go on days. Fuck that man,
love him, let me him eat that cheese, let him
wind and die.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So you think you should fuck on the first night, Yes,
just to see what's happening.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Uh huh? Got town for all that?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Really?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I ain't nobody got town for that? Why is the
dick might be not big enough? And then you like, damn,
I got the fuck his homeboy, because I see his
home friends.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What we didn't pick the wrong home boy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I see his said.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now, we didn't picked the wrong friend. We didn't picked
the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
To end up doing this anyway. See this is way
I got to come on the show as you're free,
so we can have these two so I can say
ship like women meet the representative, I meet the man,
I meet the man. You meet you uh, and girls
like me and not just girls who are training like
(27:43):
sex workers and men who you know. And I'm not
bashing men. And I don't want this to come up
as a bit as a man bashed. I just wanted
to be known. Yes, it's been your life, have a
good time. But if in the top of your conversation
you said, I put the money in the pot, but
(28:04):
I didn't know how to pay the bills. I didn't
know how to do this. I didn't know he did
all that he banked on, that he banked on, that
he preyed on, that he counted on, that he counted
on that like you know what I'm saying. And so Kelly,
what tends to happen as women have this inherent thing
(28:29):
that's passed down to them of not servitude, but of
submission and you don't want to make the man feel
less of you, because listen, as a woman, a woman
of your high stature, a woman of your caliber, a
woman of who you are, Like it's business, you're gonna
always run into a man that either has less than
(28:53):
you or he had. If he has more than you,
he can still be intimidated by you because there could
be some space or some area where you may reach
his level and surpass him, because you've got the ability
to do that. See, we got on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'm so serious. I had this conversation. So we talked
about and I think that was another thing with my
with my marriage. It was I want you to be successful,
but you can't be. Don't pass me, you can't pass me.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Don't pass me m hm, because now my manhood is
questioned and man and masculinity is so in this day
and time and in this state, excuse me, this city.
It's so fragile. It's so like you can't oh, you know,
you gotta be They gotta you know, because it's like
(29:44):
the ego and all that type of ship. I want
you to know the next time that you dance in
the dark mm hmm, lead the dance and stay the leader.
Let him think that he's leading the dance. Let a
man think you have to, let them think that they
(30:05):
have the upper hand. But you're always ten steps ahead.
Because the moment that they feel like they're ten steps
ahead you, they will take advantage of you. And it's
that it's very unfortunate. And it's not that they don't
love you. Yeah, And it's not that they don't appreciate
you when you are a successful woman, especially a successful
black woman. Sometimes he might be in a secret competition.
(30:29):
You might be a secret competition the motherfucker that you
lay in to bed with.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Isn't that crazy? I had to and I said to myself,
I asked him, how long have you hated me? Like?
How long?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I don't think that it was hate. I think it
was I don't think there was hate. I think that
it was intimidation that turned into bitterness, turned into bitterness.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yes, because for you to tell me that
you're a gentleman, let you leave with nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Y'all have four daughters? What about your girls? You got girls? Nigga?
You want your you want your girls to meet a
nigga like you? Are you crazy? Why are you not doing? Why? Why?
Are you not being in other backwards for their mama?
That's those those are women, Like, why are you not,
(31:23):
as a man sitting having your daughters. Your daughters are
gonna get married one day, or they're gonna date somebody
one day. You want you want you you want a
man doing this to your daughters, what you're doing to
your wife?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, mm hmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
How do you feel now? Now?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I am at a place where I'm just I'm okay.
You know. I had to forgive and I had to
be in a space where you know, like you said,
I do have four daughters and they are dependent on me,
and they are looking at me. I never talked bad
about their dad.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And but look at you still look at look at it.
Look at this. I want y'all to see this. You're
a black woman, still still protecting someone who told you
to leave with nothing. I know, and I really don't
(32:28):
think that black men pay attention enough to the way
that black women and even us black trans women hold
them down too. I don't be out on the street
talking about who I fucked this up and who I
did this and the other whatever. I don't do that.
My tagline is funny it's the truth, but it's funny.
(32:50):
But I don't be out there naming names, pointing this
and whatever, still protecting. Yeah, could be a motherfucker that
doesn't did some foul shit over that still protected. Look,
get you a woman, this man told you to leave
the fucking house with your four daughters and take nothing.
And you say, I'm not going to talk bad about
him to my daughters.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I don't. I don't and I never will. Now, what
I will do is because people will say, you know,
I'm sure they'll look at the show and see things
that I've shared when I do talk about him, I
always want everybody to know it's the truth. When I
do talk about him or share anything, it's it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Black men, you have to do better as black men.
Two black women and then the shit that would piss
me off is that they would go date outside of
their race. Oh, and then say us and then make
a statement and say, oh, I never get this in house,
don't get me, never do that. Come on, get started,
don't get me signed. I don't even know the depths
(33:55):
of the story, but I'm talking from a place of
and I'm not even a female. And it's not because
if because if I was a male dating a woman,
I would there are things that I've seen males do
to women that I wouldn't do. But this is me
as a black transgender woman who have who have experienced
this same stuff. So no, I may not be a female,
(34:16):
yeah no, and know I might not be a real
woman to the public. However, we have shared experiences to
where we can sit down as my own the lived
experience that we will never will never have is I
can never bear children, do a womb, and I can
never have a period. But but shared experiences we can
(34:40):
sit down and talk about niggas are all fucking day
niggas and the way that men treat women and the
way that men do the things to them presenting to
the way that they you know, especially black fem whatever
we could sit I'm it's stuff that we You ain't
even went in depth to talking to me.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That you will be like ship No, seriously, I mean,
you know he he loves a good a good you know,
d R trip. So I just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
With your money, you she won't, she won't bash baby.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You would be taking off more than that what I
really wanted to say, you'd be taking off more than
that if I really said what I really wanted to say.
But I'm gonna leave it at that. You know, I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Girl, I really want to dig, But then it's gonna
be like massing. Don't like men, master hate black men. No,
I don't let me tell you. I love a black man,
love a good old black man. Baby, listen, I love
a black man. Of BBC tie me up to the
back of a truck and dragged me down the street, honey,
taking me to the next BBC b Ah, Yes, drag
(36:03):
me like this to the next bb fucking scene. But
still can hold them accountable for the things. You know,
I'm accountable. So I want to shift here just a
(36:23):
little bit. How do you like being on Housewives of Atlanta?
How do you like the show? How do you like it?
What's what's been the what's the experience?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I love it? I love it. I actually had an
amazing time filming you. I had a great time. I
really did, you know. I'm so used to filming cooking
and you know, all of my like cooking shows, Food
Network own all of those amazing things. But to be
able to share my journey and my story, I said
(36:53):
to myself, I said, if if I do this, I
want to make sure that I can use my platform
too and buyer and to motivate, right, so you know,
just like and the baby, to sell every product, book
and everything else that I have besides my you know what,
(37:14):
I'll sell it for you, I sell it. But no,
I wanted to make sure that I could use the platform,
and honestly I did just that. You know, I think
people got to see me or are seeing me in
a different light because everybody thinks, right like social media,
(37:37):
it's like, oh, she has this perfect life and she's
successful when she's doing all these things. But nobody knew
the hell I was going through and still making it
all look so good.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I didn't know, and I mean I was going through hell,
literally and I still was able to get up and
put us all on my face and still sell waffles
and still get the kids off the school and still
do all these things. And I just wanted to be
able to share that to the world that nobody is
picture perfect. We all go through shit real life.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Shit Are you dating now?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Oof? Baby? The dating in Atlanta is gatho?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Okay, are you opposed to online dating.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, Cynthia asked me that I'm scared, bitch, I'm
scared about online dating. I feel like I'm gonna meet somebody,
they gonna tie me up, put me in the basement.
I'm just so scared. I'm scared I'm gonna get like catfish.
I don't know. And then Lamont was supposed to hook
me up with that one website where you gotta be uh,
(38:44):
what was it? Rayah? But I don't know. I've never
did online dating. You know, I'm so old school. You know,
I got married in my twenties. I mean, I haven't dated.
You know, I've been on a few dates, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But what what's a good date for you? Tell me
what's a good date?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
A good date for me is, you know, sending flowers?
I am romance. Give me the romance.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
She want the representative. Okay, see that's the damn problem.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I want to representative.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You want to representative?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Damn you want that? So how does that do you
get to the man?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
And what the man gonna come? He gonna come? I mean,
we love the representative.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I like a good representative represent for me.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So so, so what's a what is a raw conversation
with you and a man like are you in a
place now when you date that? That a raw conversation
is like, look, nigga, out of being mad. I got
four girls out on divorce. What you went too? You
went to side of me? B DSM? What you suck? Dig?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Will you do?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
How much money you got? Are you? Are you down
to like like I'm cutting dry with me? For me,
I'm cutting dry? Maybe what we're doing?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What are we doing? Okay? So I don't know if
I have asked all. I'm got your questions and you.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Got to be stern. You cross your leg like you
crossed the right here. Listen, nigga, I'm rich. Okay, whatever
you don't tell me, I will pay your private investigator out.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I do that before. Ran a few tags.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, is this a rental? I want? I want to
I want to lead on the line to tell you
because because I don't want to meet your representative no more, nigga,
I've heard met too many represents. I want to meet.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Who are you? Who are who are you? I don't know?
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And never never, sister, I mean never never tell me
and what you don't what you do and don't like
never tell them to never tell him never because will
never never tell them what you do, and don't like
let him do because whatever they do is it gonna be.
That's that's how you meet that that's not that's that's
(41:26):
how you meet the man. Let them do. Let them do.
If you see him, if he if he don't open
your door for you, he don't do that, that's not
his thing. Don't tell him. No, I want my doors open,
I want my dear because he gonna come doing that.
I won't flowers every Friday. I want this. Don't tell
that motherfucking nigga ship really. Let that motherfucker do exactly
(41:48):
what he gonna do. Let him do it, because that
way you'll know who he is. Yes, because then he'll
pattern himself after he'll pattern't fixing the light or she
don't like that, and then once he's what's he not gotcha?
And y'all here he cocking his leg up far and burn.
(42:10):
You know what I'm saying. Listen, I'm coming on the
show and do the same conversation with you. You have to,
you have to.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Maybe, I don't know, maybe you can set me up
on a blind a. Yeah, I'm coming on. Maybe you
can help me figure out who the who the man is?
Get me to the man, not the representative.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, because you need to be stern. You have to
be right now. You you don't have time. You're you're, you're,
you're a beautiful woman, and you're you're a successful woman.
You got time. I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
And my tolerance level is so bad I will cut,
I will stop talking to you, and three two one.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
But over what though?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It could just be the littlest things.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The men are different, Like, the men are just different.
It's like they don't know how to court women. It's
just you know. And I hate a man with Instagram?
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Is that bad?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I hate a man that's like on Instagram live and
talking and taking photo shoot pictures. And I don't like that.
Zesty ship, I just I just too what is you?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Oh? Hold on?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Well all right, somebody at the back door.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Somebody at the door.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh well ship that we now? Oh okay, Well, because
we done got down to this point, Lawrence, Yes, because
we done got down to this part. This is this
is this, this is amazing to lead me into my segment. Okay, God,
there's a segment I called I have. It's called ban
it Bitch. Okay, So here's how it works. Okay, we
(44:06):
each get one minute to make our case for what
needs to go. Like, if you rule the world, what
would you band? You know what I'm saying, because like
right now they're baning LBGTQ books, drag shows, and even
our very existence as black people. Okay, but we flipping
the script, so now we turn it into now we banning.
(44:27):
So if you rule the world, what is something that
you would ban? And here's how it works. I'm going
to go first, and the people in the booth in there,
they're gonna keep track of time, okay, and so what
they're gonna do they're gonna count me down, like once
I'm reading and I got thirty seconds on it, and
then they got ten seconds on it and then so
let me just show you how to go. Y'all ready
(44:48):
in now, y'all ready? Okay, all right. My name is
Tis Madison, And if I ran the world, I would
ban people not have having sex on the first day.
I would ben the judgment and the stigma around people
not having sex on the first day. I just personally
(45:10):
feel like if you are out here in the world
and you're dating someone and you're kicking it with him,
and you have a your human being, and you have
an urger you want to ride, suck fuck getting the
buck hunted and see if that chicken really cluck? Do
what you wanna do? You feel me like, because you're
gonna get it. If it's in the cars, he gonna
be a body anyway. You know what I'm saying. Nobody
(45:32):
got time for that to be around here kicking it
with a man and then he his stroke game is awful.
I'd have mest some fan, pretty sexy, gorgeous men who
ain't got no stroke. Dick. We hitting all trash and
now I got to get his homeboy. I should have
hit the homeboy first. Matter of fact, I'm gonna go
ahead on and do it anyway. How you doing? Are
we done?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm betting?
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Okay, that's how bad it work.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
That's how bad it bitch ware.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
It could be anything you want to be in.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Let me think about what I want to ban. What
annoys means. I'm a band. I'm a band lace front.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Okay. My name is Kelly Ferrell.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
My name is Kelly Farrell. And if I rule the world,
I would band lace fronts. Why I hate a fucking
lace front. Let me tell you something going like going
out with girls or being in and you and you
sit there and you stay at him. It's like, bitch,
I see the lace. I hate that. That bothers me.
It bothers me. When I can see the lace, when
I can see the part, when I can see the net,
(46:39):
I just don't think it's good. I think it's so
many fabulous wigs. You know what I'm saying. I think
you can get tape in, you get the k tips.
I take that fucking stupid ass lace front off. I
hate that. You know how many of my my employ
my coworkers out of seen. I'm like, bitch, I make
them put the makeup on there or something.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
It bothers me. I hate a lace Frint, ban it
make them gone lace? Frint.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes, I love a lace, but banded if we got that,
bitch band a lace you mean bad bad laces?
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Okay, well bad laces. I ain't seen a good one yet.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
On a show full of women with lace front.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh Jesus, take some damn laces off.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Thank you so much for coming. Thank you, I love you.
Thank you. I love you too. Thank you for letting
me pour into you. Thank you let me talk to
you about this. Thank you because I really want you
to feel what I'm telling you. You know what I'm saying.
I really want you to go out here in this world,
and I really want you to the next time that
you have go around and then in the spind you
(47:57):
just got to be blunt. Okay, how big is it?
M do we got skin on it?
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Do we ask for pictures? Let me see?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, we want to pull it out, let me see.
I can work with it. I can handle that. Okay, No, no,
I can't handle that. I don't want to ask you
how many miles you got on it, but I really
do because I know you're gonna lie to me while
you got Instagram. What you're doing on Insta?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know, just absolutely absolutely to save yourself. Yes, a
lot of time, like e lev Yes, I'm sacrificing, bitch.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
To save yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I got to go hard on the plain.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I gotta go hard.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I love your sister.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yes, listen, I'm glad that you came because now I
told y'all I was gonna get on the housewives of Alina.
I'm coming in as a free but I'm leaving with
a gaggle of peaches. Yes you are, baby, I'm leaving
with some baby. Thank y'all for tuning in. Yes, bye,
(49:10):
bye bye. Who did we do it?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh? My God?
Speaker 1 (49:18):
And word it was good. Outlaws is a production of
the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece. I'm your
host Tis Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz,
Maya Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising producer is Jessica
(49:41):
Krinchich and our producers are Joey pat and Common mol
Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz and our sound editor
is Just Crime. Our associate producer is Trent high Tower
Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme
song is composed by Wazi Mayer. Our show art is
by Pablo Martinena Cat You Next Week, Honey,
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