August 4, 2025 • 50 mins
This week on Outlaws, we’re bringing you the iconic Miss Lawrence! From Housewives to slaying the real estate game, this episode spotlights Black queer excellence. TS Madison and Miss Lawrence share their love for each other, as two groundbreaking voices of reality TV.
Miss Lawrence talks his sh!t, with a previous career as one of the most sought after hairstylists in Atlanta which then laid the groundwork for his eclectic career in the entertainment industry. Madison and Lawrence dish on the public perception of flamboyant Black queens and the expectations that they will not succeed– which makes it even more important to celebrate their wins! Both of these icons have changed the way Blackness, queerness, and femininity are seen on and off screen– and their work is paying off!
The duo delve into the highlights of Miss Lawrence's career– from his “Villain era” of pushing his team towards greatness, to the chance encounter that inspired him to close his salon and move onto bigger and brighter things, to working together on Bros and maybe a future project on the “sacrifices of the boot”…
We’re then treated to a surprise facetime call and Maddie’s showstopping rendition of Happy Birthday for Miss Lawrence’s niece. And for this week’s Ban It, Bitch, Miss Lawrence is taking on Hookah bars (he’s saving all our voices, y’all!)
In times like these where some are trying to erase Black and queer history, it’s now more important than ever to uplift voices like Miss Lawrence, that embody the abundance, excellence, and greatness we’re all capable of. We’re here and we’re not going anywhere!
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no wind. When did your inches bed bd
b b d bed bum yourself that you get a job?
Ricking honey, rick hoon haters, he chasing.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that, he stout liveing. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. H what they don't
put together? You gotta go at a strict format. No, okay,
hey on to the now you all ready? Is it on? Honey?
(00:51):
Is it ho?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is this thing recorded? Baby, This is TS Medisine
coming to you back loud, live and in color from
the Outlaws podcast with T. Madison and today, I have
a sister with the same mister, from the same mister,
the same mother from another mother.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Whatever the hell, y'all know what the hell I'm trying
to say. Bits Miss Laurence is in the beer. Yeah,
look yet a game they gave my sister, another mother,
another baby. Listen, I'm gonna get I'm gonna be down
there to that Welfaire. You know that said that way?
They said T. S. Madison is doing a podcast. I
(01:32):
said what I said, fan talk. They said no that.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I said, oh no, this an iHeart bag, I said,
oh no. Then they then they popped the teas to me.
I said, oh, she's like, oh the Jeffersons name.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm moving on here my voice. De look studio, he looks. Girl.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You got to see the one I do in their
all work l acause you you've.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Done something in La. Ah, I do here in l A.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And then I'm right because you got and they got
one of New York. Tom be doing it the New
New York too. Oh good, because I got a movie
that I'm be doing out there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You a movie in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh, I'm leeve this time work? Oh yeah, I know
about that. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
you win it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Too, ain't youent? They will? You think? So I'm gonna
ask the people. I'm gonna leave. I don't know what'll
be wrong with the people. Girl. They use it sometimes
sometimes they don't. But it's okay. Listen one thing about it.
What's for you? You ain't gonna miss you? Baby? Come on,
I want you to understand that. Oh I know it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And you see the proximity I am to that Housewives
of Atlanta Andy. You can play them whole stroke games
all you want to, my god, but you know. What
I will say about you is you know the power
of speaking it and allowing it to manifest. Everything that
(02:59):
you say you want to do, you do it. It
don't matter how long it takes, and you do the
work to get it. So, yes, Housewives is I'm I'm
already I'm gonna say it's in the cause I have
been known to have a magic one when it came
when it comes to Housewives.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, both of us sitting here with magic one. You go,
you're gonna be on that.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You're gonna be on that, both of us sitting here
with magic one. Yeah, and sitting on one, it's sitting
no one outside. I want to tell you I love you.
I've always told you I love you. I love every
time I'm with you, every time we just we're just
so magic together. And I think it's because we libres. Yep,
(03:38):
we're both libras, and we both understand the business and others.
And what I love about you is that you've always
kept me. And you're younger than me, but you've always
kept me in check. Yeah, because you know I could
be a bomb. But see, I knew where you were
(04:00):
it a long time ago. You know, even when you
first started, you know, uh, doing your your stuff at
the house.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I already knew when you was headed.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And so because I had been kind of privy to
the industry, you know, you know, I guess the business
way whatever I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The mainstream main before me, and I knew what it well,
I knew what all it didn't tell that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I knew the dude. I knew the dudes and the don'ts.
And I was like, okay, I know what. She getting
ready to go. So now, bitch, you can't do this
now because you ain't do this. Listen for you, for
those of you that out there that are watching, and
listen miss laws me sister now because you have to
wheel that hole back in. That bitch is crazy. And
she just start she goes she you know, goes off.
(04:48):
And I'm like, and my sister, now she may she
may or may not. And I don't know admit it,
but sometimes I would go out there to the house
and she says, sister, come on and do the show
with me, and she'll start cutting up, and I wan,
don't cut up.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I won't cut up one of I couldn't do it. No,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't I s couldn't do it, and back then
my sister be like, girl, but no, misster, I don't
expect for you to cut up with me because because
here's the thing. I go through that with Craig. Now,
uh huh on the fag talk, uh huh. I go
through it because Craig get.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
The cutting up. And now you got to see how
I clopped. Oh I I don't think. I don't be watching.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I said, now look at her, not a bit, not
a bitch sitting in my seat. I'd be like, you
can't do that. Now, now she got to do it
the crag I go.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
To squeeze Craig knee.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Hey girl, right, hey, right. You know I've always got it.
But but but here's the thing. I've never wanted you
to compromise anything. You hear, let me do the thing
because I don't give and I tell people all the
time what Naddy is able to do, she can do
it because that is how she built. That's my wheelhouse
(05:52):
brand that nobody can do what that lady do and
and and be tolerated and accepted for it. We all
got well out of everybody. But I know my mouth,
My mouth can carry I don't know, are we looking
at people anyway? Because because hey, y'all, my mouth.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can carry too. But I'm like, you know what, I didn't.
I didn't come out that way. My sister did, so
she she grew her business, her brand and everything that way.
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And it was been so because somebody don't know that you.
Nobody don't know how you can slice dice, and they
also don't know that you can whistle. See i'ma I'm
gonna put it to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You like this.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
If you from a generation that watched The Young and
the Rest, and there was an episode that Catherine D.
Chancellor wrote said, have you ever seen a person write
a check for a million dollars and someone disappeared?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
See, see that's the kind of girl you in. Catherin D.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Chancels ain't never made no threats. She just write a
check for a million dollars and you're gone. See I'm
not gonna do all that. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna do all that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna cut you out.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I tell you to eat ass and glass, pull up,
pull up, and I'm gonna write a take for a million.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That part that part. Yes, ma'am poof. So we don't listen,
This chick gonna be all over the place because this
is what we do. Now. For those of the people
out there.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That are watching the show, I don't know where you're
being how you if you don't know who Miss Laurence is,
I'm gonna allow my sister, Miss Lawn's to tell you
who she is. There's a segment on my show It's
called Talking Ship, and this is the time where I
get where the guests get the opportunity to say who
you are, what you do, what are you proud of?
And this is your time to shine. So don't hold back.
So in black people turn and black people turn, bitch,
(07:53):
this is the time for you to ship, bitch. This
is the time for you to be like, I'm my
name is Miss Lawrence. I'm the first housewife of Atlanta
that was you know what I'm saying, I'm the first
I did the show. I did this fashion quick, you know,
because oftentimes we as blacks. Because I'm about to layer this,
(08:15):
we as black folks always been told be humble. We
come from that era, sty be humble. We come from
that era. And I'm gonna tell you something. It's fucked
up now because to whereas we come from an era
where you you know, you have to be humble. You know,
these types of opportunities haven't always been you know, awarded
to people like us.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And so when you get it, bitch, be humble, humble,
be quiet. Dad. So I've never known how to talk
my ship.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You get the opportunity to be like, I'm the first
black transgender woman to executive produce and start in her
own reality television series on Earth. I have a song
with Beyonce' I received a Grammy certificate for that. I'm
on the Emmy winning television show Rupe Paul's Drag Race
(09:04):
where I'm a judge that I brought home an Emmy
for that television show.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So this is why you You're supposed to be able
to do that with without because I think what tends
to happen, Miss Laurence, is that we make people take
it away like we're bragging. No, we're standing at what
we've done, and not just standing at what we've done.
We're standing and what we and what we done because
(09:29):
we know the obstacles we have to stand against to
get those things done so.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On this show. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't said it.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I mean, oh well, yes, the the let me let
me my name is miss Lauren brought the TV first.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yes my name is Miss Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And yes, I was amongst the first in this great, iconic,
pioneering city of Atlanta to Georgia, to walk the streets
unapologetically me and felt the freedom that I was inherited
by our ancestors and by our civil rights heroes that
come from right here in this city, which enabled me
to move on and showcase all of myself and in
(10:16):
my totality on television, which was The Housewives of Atlanta,
the first black flame and ass queen with pomps, a
handbag and pomps and red lipstick sometimes look the food bish.
Because I was still self discovering, but definitely helped to
open that door, you know, to open that door and
(10:37):
break the barrier of getting people used to the idea
of people like myself. And and because of that, I
definitely believe that that God said, because you are walking
in your truth, because scripture says, was not scripture, but
the old saying says, to thine own self be true.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
What is that that's but Shakespeare's some shit like one
of that, but with the scripture that you want to say,
you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
On.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And so from that, from from from Housewives to my
own show Fashioned Queens, where I was able to meet
and cultivate the one of my strongest relationships with the
incomparable and ever so talented Bebby Smith, who's one of
my mentors and mothers, and my still sister Derek James,
you know, to being noticed by Lee Daniels and Lenny
Kravitz and you name it and them co sign and
(11:27):
saying listen, we want you on Empire on Fox. Then
from that to Star, then from Star to the United
States versus Billy Holliday from United States versus Billy Holliday
to uh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
What I did after that?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Uh uh difference, then Deliverance, you know, and I mean,
you know, the list kind of goes on. Also being
I believe the first black gay individual to be awarded
the Phoenix Award, which is the highest honor that the
city of Atlanta gives us civilians.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's a ka the key to the city.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think I believe I'm the first and only black
queer person that that has gotten that and then it
came directly from the mayor.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So I'm really proud of that. That is that's one
of my most proud achievements.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Bitch the things and see and here's the thing. The
way that the country now is trying to erase history. Yeah,
this is why it's imperative that we talk our ship. Yeah,
because they'll sweep. They'll sweep like we've done nothing, like
we we've made no moves to do anything. They'll do
that to us, you know. And that's why it's important
that you talk your ship.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right now, I want to go on to your origin story.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Tell me about a turning point or an experience or
a source of inspiration or a Eureka moment that shape
you on the path that you're on today.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know. So, what was a turning point for you
like that you knew that, Oh my god, what was
the turning point that put you on the path that
you on right now? I would have to say that
started when I was a hairstylist.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I became one of the most sought after hairstylists here
in it in Atlanta, and it garnered me a clientele
that was just magnificent out of this world and all
the opportunities came from that which led me into the
entertainment space. And I one day it hit me that
(13:39):
because I was obedient and because I nurtured everything that
God had given me the gifts, is what made room
for me to be in the arena and in the
spaces that I'm in now. It's been a lot of
surreal and aha aha and dreaming moments.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That it's a lot of them. It's a lot of them,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Even even now, some of the new adventures are paths
that I'm working things that I'm working on right now.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's like I'm like, well, I can't even believe I'm
doing this right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll tell you I've gotten into the real estate investing
space and the developing space, and that was I never
thought i'd be there. And what prompted that or what
sparked it was my FI lost my father two years
ago and that was all that he did, you know,
(14:36):
And I had no idea that I would be But
I was forced to get into it because of my
father past.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He had properties and stuff that had to be taking
care of it manage.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I said, okay, and then God had placed the people
in place to help me along that journey and mentor
me and show me and show me the ropes.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And so I'm excited about it and it feels good.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it's just it's another it's another it's another chapter
that I get to add to my story. Well a minute,
So now you're about to be a real estate mogul girl.
We got to put a show together, honey.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, and so listen. So I was late.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I was supposed to have been here earlier, y'all, but
I had my times mixed up. I had a close
in today at one thirty. I had to go to
that first on another property that I'm about to do,
and I said, lord, I thought them people told me
for thirty and it was really twelve. So anyway, but
I'm here now. But yeah, so it's it's so we
got to do a spin show called Pomps with properties.
Come on, Pumps, Punks and Properties, bitch pumps and properties
(15:34):
and properties. Yeah, because people don't think that we you know,
I think that we've been so associated with such such
a derogatory things like they don't they don't think that
we're prosperous.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, And because the especially US US queens of color.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The only queens of color that I would say that
we've really seen that have lived out loud, prosperous queens
like we've seen Rue Paul. I mean, we got Lee Daniel,
Lee Daniel. But like we're talking about Lee is not
a flamboyant queen. Though well Lee can be a fan,
(16:15):
he can be sometimes, but we but we're talking about
like well like because if you the public don't really
look at Lee it's gay, like they look at us
like they look at us, you know what I'm saying.
They look at Lee like he's a director, he's a dad.
They've looked past his sexual orientation to be like he's this,
he's his right, but they still look at it, Oh
she's trans or he's gay.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You know what I'm saying, Because we have it's it's
a it's you know, it's it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It don't we to them, we don't hold the same value, right,
so then we don't hold the same So let's so
let's reword that like like flamboyant gay, like we've never
really seen a lot of black black anyway, because she's
drag race drag queen. We know she bought that thirteen
million dollar mention over there, and don't she got a
(17:01):
farming out of there, baby, she got it all. She
got a farm and goats and all kinds of things.
Bitch that who ain't gonna never be hungry, bitch that whole,
that whole will and she gonna go and goats and
cow rich, motherfucking bitch. And she deserves every dime, motherfucking
(17:23):
every dime.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And we thank her for the past.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I only met Ruth one time when I was I
had done watch What Happens Live, and Ruth was also
the guests that day, so he and I and he
was so lovely and offered some beautiful encouraging words to me.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I love her, So it's rude. Then it was I
don't know anybody else.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That was that was that was unapologetically just out there,
just flamboyantly.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Gay and showing their wealth and letting it be known. Bitch,
Oh I'm wealthy. I don't know. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And and the ones that were were before our time,
and they were gone, sylvesta little richer, you know all that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But I don't know anybody. And so this is why
again takes us back to the top.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Of the show when we're talking about being humble and
it's the other like, you know, this is why it's
good for us to talk about and like people get
mad at me because I say, oh, bitch, I'm rich,
Like they get mad like, oh God give you know
you get those ones to be able to Oh God
could take all that you ain't bet No, I'm not
saying we know that, but I'm not saying I'm better
than anybody.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, bitch, I'm rich. Yeah, I'm letting you I'm letting
it be known like because deeper, it's deeper. It's not bragging,
it's really telling yourself, like, bitch, I'm rich.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
When them people in the world.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And society told me that a motherfucker like me will
never have what my straight counterparts get to have, that
I will never have what my white day counterparts have.
And bitch I was able to do it. Yes, Chris,
it's rich. Yes, Yes, I'm other fucking rich. Yes, yes,
(19:02):
you get the chance to do that because of the
things that are stacked against you, like you get you
going line. You see, Oh a bitch got a network
or two million, three million, five million, Yes, that I'm
gonna tell you right now, you can go look me up.
You ain't never gonna know my goddamn network. I'm not
gonna let you know it. Well, it's unfortunate that they
put my ship out there, but it's but it's okay.
(19:22):
You ain't never fit because Madison Hinton only makes ten
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
A year, don't you love it? Girl? So good? So
bitch when Uncle Sam and Ada that's all I make.
I don't make nothing. I'm damn it. I don't make
a dime.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But it's just it's just the fact that I love
celebrating that. I love celebrating that. And it's not that
I think that I'm better. It's like, bitch, you you
thought that I couldn't. You thought that I couldn't, and
and and I have to, you know, give reference and
acknowledge all of those that took the bait and thought
(20:03):
that they couldn't, and so they didn't, and so they didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And so.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
My my biggest I would have to say that one
of the things that I am I am most grateful
about and the thing that makes me feel really good,
I think the most is that young black queer people
and even if they're not, even if they're older than me.
They now see by looking at people like yourself, you know,
(20:30):
like me, like a route, like bitch. Yes, you can
do whatever you do. You can do whatever the fuck
you want. And it don't matter how you started. It
does not matter how you started. It's what matters is
what you do with what you got when you start.
That's right, and you are a true testament.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes that yes yet so yeah, she was, she was,
She was a hole, she saw she was, she did
all that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
But even before she came to TV, I got before
she became ts Madison, the bitch built her own motherfucking
porn production company. I was already it was determined. She
was already a business woman. Yeah, before I got in
the TV, I tell a motherfucker all the time. I
had to tell her so lung bitch, I had half
Salon's I did have, bitch. I was a six figure
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earner at the age of twenty three years old before TV.
Miss Lawrence was created. Before television, my clients named me
Miss Long. This ain't no shit I did for TV.
I had a bitch. He Oh, you gotta come up
with something clever and catchy because you wanted to know.
I ain't never wanted attention that bitch. I tried to
hide from it because I ain't feel I ain't getting
(21:41):
called facts and all that bitch I tried hide from.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So I let my success be my tool.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So I was a six figure earner at the age
of twenty three years old, bought a bit ass condominium
in the heart of motherfucking buckhead at twenty four years old,
when society was saying, oh, bitch, you' a girl.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You ain't gonna be able to get this. Youin't gonna
be You're gonna bitch who who can't?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You can't pushing the bins at twenty three years old,
and I told somebody that I worked with on a
on a on one of my early early early projects.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I said, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I said, I will walk away from everything if I
can't live the way that I I built my own
self up to live. If I was a six figure
hearner at twenty three was able to do all this
shit by Chanelle, by Dolce, by Dior and all those
things before television, I be goddamn if I.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ain't gonna be able to do it. Now that I
got on TV. I'm not gonna play with you like that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You're not gonna give me no shitty deal and think
I'm just gonna take it, and bitch be sitting starving.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, bitch, not me.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, just to be famous, not me, because I don't
give y'all can't knock y'all not know my dough. I
never went out the fame. Y'all not know my door.
I don't give a fuck y'all not on my door.
You know what I love about this conversation. I don't
get this a lot from you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And I love this about I love this because we
do this privately. We do and it makes me feel
good because I want you to celebrate. It's okay to
celebrate yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's okay. It's too much stuff is going on right
now where they're trying to erase us. They trying to
erase you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And then in the entertainment space the shit that happened
with the pandemic and then the strike, and I was like,
oh wait a minute, work it is real scarce. So
guess what I had to bitch, I go back to
my roots. Oh, bitch, I know how to pick bitch,
I'm gonna get a coin.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm gonna get a coins. You are I'm gonna eat. Yes,
I'm going to do that. And no, no, I didn't go.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No I'm not going back to doing hair. No, I'm
not doing that because God told me to close that door.
And I was obedient, because obedience is better than sacrifice. Hey,
and so I closed that door and guess what he
opened up and he said, here you go, here you go.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That's what I want you to do.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That's what people don't know. And it's like they be
trying to hold my feet to the fire. Poor and
porn and poor porn baby. God told me to close
that door. When I did, I ain't. I haven't had
a little bad it's it's it's unfortunate for y'all. That's
where y'all kept me. Thank you for your twenty and
while we own that about once I close the door,
I'm not interested in being the one. Ooh, give me
(24:20):
the latest read to say. What can I say to bitch?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm not I'm not even writing that for you doing that.
I don't do that, bitch, You hate me to read
what you think about so and so and so I
don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't care. I don't think ooh, what you think
about the new cast? Bitch? I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I don't think about it, bitch, IM part of the blueprint.
I don't think about what's gonna happen afterwards.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yes, our foundation was laid. I laid that a line.
I laid that and left. Yeah, I laid it and left.
You're welcome. Right. Let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I just talked about this before we were recording in here. Uh,
how we were you and I were casting the movie bros. Uh,
it's a Billy Eichner, Judd apatoh, Nicholas Stolar film that
we want a glad Award for it. Uh. We did
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that iconic film, you know, in which we both go
out to the mailbox because we were top build Yes,
top billing, top billing. We go out to the mailbox
and honey, we get our we get our we get
our fat nasty checks.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Honey coming. I mean one day I called us a girl. Bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I was land in my bed, I say, girl, I
was land in my bed, brainstorming how to get mine
how well, how to get another coin? And she calm
and she said, sister, you've been to the same She said,
you've been to the mailbox. She said it's something and
I said, I said, girl, you sent me something like
the babe she sent me some don what she talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I had got about their bed and went down that
long hallway because I lived on the end in the
corner corner view.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Uh huh, and I like all this, I know.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I went down to that bare box and I said, oh,
it was a sag. After and I opened it, I said,
the name of you didn't have to do it, but
you did it today, and you did it on time.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You did it on time. Guards see.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And listen, here's the gag we've been because you know,
we we we we got a lot of flat from
even our people that looked like us.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah, we got a lot of
flat from people that looked like us.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
We're gonna we're gonna not just look like us that
also identify as we identify.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
H y'all movie flopped, Oh y'all this and the other.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh that's good for you know, celebrating these things like
because they thought something was ill, I guess what. And
it's all good because you know what that movie was.
You know what those these these opportunities are I call
it our table. And those people that look like us,
that are in the same community as us, it's black
like us, they are in close proximity. Why are they
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in close proximity because some of them will not celebrate us,
they will not be happy for us.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And those people also need to be sitting front row
because the word says, I will prepare your table in
the presence of your enemies, in the presence.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So I need you right here, continue to reveal yourself
because this table and gonna do nothing but keep motherfucking expanding, bitch.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And it's gonna be that way, that way, this way,
and that way, bitch.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And it's just gonna be preparation at the preparation, after preparation.
That's it, after the preparation. And we know that we
still go because it doesnet been many times after that chat.
We done went to that meal off and done gathered
up those so for them were screaming out, oh y'all,
movie flop, it did this and the other and it
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actually didn't flop.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It didn't flop. But listen, it's okay. Let them. You
gotta let them.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
People believe what they believe from their cubicle because and
it's okay, it's all right, it's okay, because we definitely
know what when we were top Bill, we still when
that movie, that movie is somewhere playing right now on
somebody's plane train and automobile. See, and while it's playing
on somebody's plane train and on automobile, were gathering that up.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's right, in the name of the Most High, in
the name of the Most High, we.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Thanked them for that. Yeah, so you know what we did, bros. Right,
And you had came in with that motherfucking crocodile bed.
Speaking of that crocodile bead, you had came with that
crocodile bed the way the white people.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It was one of them, was that one lady what
was the one actor's name?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Big Remember she was beat too, And I said, bitch
your shoes. Yeah, she's the woman that played in The
Help Jessica, Jessica chat Stain, Jessica chest Stain. We had
met Jessica chest Stain and I walked up to her
and I said, bitch, that's a nasty shoe.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
And she fell in my heart.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
She did, she did, she fell in my own I
was like, bitch, that is a nasty shoe, and she's like,
oh my god, and she just felt and it was
it was the people that we have been amongst and
that we've been around and like and that we've kicked
it with and stuff like that. Like, I don't think
people really understand how we as queer people are so
(29:43):
influential and not this influential of the spaces that we occupy,
but we've had to occupy a lot of spaces in silence.
Like we came in doing hair, doing makeup, holding bags.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I ain't never hear nothing, hold on no being the bitch,
I ain't never helped that one of those bag.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Bitch, bitch, my bitch, my purse was just as heavy,
bitch being the assistant. And for you to walk in
with that crock cuddile with that motherfucking coat. I don't
know what kind of coat that was, girl, it was
a suit coat, but it was.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
A ground it was.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It was an let me tell you something right now.
This is just I'm just gonna be honest. I am
one of the girls. Bitch this you are.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And I learned from ballroom.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
If that is any type of article of clothing or
any type of article or accessory that I want.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm gonna motherfucking get it.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And if I can't get it, I know a bitch
that I know a bitch just gonna get it funck
and I'll get it from that, and I'll get it
from there.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm gonna have the things.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I will not be denied because I was told that
I will have life and have an abundant and yes you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do, and you abundantly walk in walked in with that
chuck girl. I said, I really when you came in,
I was mind you. I listen, I got a stretch
piece body. I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It's a lot of things I can't. It's a fascinate
for him from me. But I guess what this whole Okay,
so she got a stretch piece body. I might walk
down the street with a hundred thousand dollar word of
shit on, but guess what. Ain't nobody gonna miss hub
because I got a hundred thought do work, because this
whole body. Because I'm gonna tell y'all something back in
the day, that whole do this right, that hole will
(31:46):
pop through and lift her whole dress up bitch and
be given Yeah, well that's where my body was.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I was intact. Well, yeah, you were small, and you
were smaller than you.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And the body was intact. The hitties wasn't it wasn't dropped,
Yeah it was all.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I was proud.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But I say that to say she ain't never had
to have all this, all the accoutra monks and adornments.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
But it's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I listen, I look at y'all. I don't look at
y'all girls and envy with you. I look at y'all
with bitch.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That is sickening. I look at it from that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And I always had face. Yeah, faces, had a mug,
always had a mug.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I can't deny that mug.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And I tell people all the time when you when
you got face, you got body, you got you ain't
got to do that. No, but sister, y'all, y'all listen,
you have always been adorned in in the garment. I'm
a fashion girl, do yeah, that's when I ain't. I
ain't never professed to be no face bitch. I can
go paint the face, oh no, no, get it twisted.
But I ain't never been. I've always been a fashion girl.
That's that's always been. I remember the first time you
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pumped through with some boots. I didn't know what those
I think they were Chanel boots, probably been you pomped
through with some boots and I was like, girl, what
are those like?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know what I'm saying, Like you you had those things?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And I've never, really, I've never been envious of that
because I saying I can't fit that. I don't have
a I don't I can't fit it like I can't.
You know what I'm saying, bitch, If I one day,
we got to do a show about all the ship
that that that I have gone through to get in
ship with a having a whole niggas foot bitch and
(33:22):
getting up bitch, putting a putting a little a little
plastic trash bag, a little plastic trash bag on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
The on your foot first, the slider in.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Old tight ass boot, taking two or three of leaves, bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
When your feet starts swelling, it hurting, bitch.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Also you can have on a Shanel or dioror Blonic
bitch all botaga boot because.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I have all bitch. Also you can have all that, bitch.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But I got we got to do a show specifically
about the sacrifices of a boot of a boot.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh that's good, the sacrifice of a boot. Which one?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I tell you, y'all, I'm shining in Greece because I've
been running around today my niece birthday. And she done
wore me at honey make up, how she don't win
and got some goddamn pink house.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
She got a rich aunt. That was she did? She
really think that sh it too? She got a rich
hunt her aunt had.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Her aunt has a corner. She has a corner condo
in the heart. But that I'd be like, girl, listen,
you have your food catered for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, no, I don't do that. I cook now.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I do still get some things catered. Yeah, she said
she's spent to a catering, a grand catering. Yeah, you've
had your closet custom down. Yeah, there are things that
you know, the things of a grand one. It's my birthday,
do me in. I let all my nieces and nephews know, honey,
I get all your gifts from the dollar. Try because
(34:52):
the money I'm gonna leave you in in the inheritances
that you do that you do all the rest of
and they so cute. I'll be seeing them and Mary
be posting them. No, no, you don't know nothing, aback,
what the fuck I'm got going on?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And then no, no, no, don't do that. You guys
do know I have a blended Go look at a colony, y'all. Listen, Yes, Jail, what.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Facetimey FaceTime so you can say, hey, the TS matters
to FaceTime? That's your face time?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What she got? You gotta do a make up. I
don't gotta be there to look at him, Maddy, Maddy,
look at him.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Hey, niece, Oh my godish, happy birthday, come on, come
on to you. Happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
To you, Happy birthday, niece, Jail, Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
To calling on y'all.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Now, sister, I want to get down to your villain era,
and we're gonna get down to the end now.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I want to talk about every outlaw.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
It's labeled a villain at some point and or often
when we're just trying to live our truth or do
our best. Your villain era could be a time you
stop people pleasing, a time you stood up for yourself,
or maybe you made a mistake, or maybe you did
something that sparked some controversy, or maybe simply the world
wasn't ready for you? What was your villain era? Oh I, Oh,
(36:41):
it's a couple of them. So one definitely, you know,
uh coming up here in the South of eighties. Baby, No,
the world wasn't ready, the city wasn't ready sometimes, you know,
So definitely. I don't know if it was a villain,
I don't know what you call it, but I definitely
dealt with a period where the world and the people
(37:03):
just were not ready, but they eventually had to get
ready right now before I ascended to where I am now.
When I was a hairstylist, I was fortunate enough to
build a team. I had a dynamic team of hairstylists
that were phenomenal, and I was the villain because I
was very strict and I was very hard on them
(37:24):
because I wanted them to be the absolute best, And
when they became the best, I got to see my best.
When they became the best, I got to see what
I was really got damn made of that I could
recreate another me or other versions of me, or give
everything that I've had to somebody.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Else to watch them grow and blossom.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And it's hard to do that sometimes because people don't
really get it. They want to be They want to
be your friend, they want to be your key ki
Yo Judy on account of no no, no, no, no no,
because you're gonna be great. Because I want to make
sure that what I've been able to come isn't just
by chance or by luck. I want to make sure
that I own everything that I do, my intellectual property,
(38:09):
the way that I teach, I want to make sure
that I have it. And the only way I can
make sure is if I teach it to somebody else.
So if I can teach it to you, I could
teach it to you. That's gonna affirm me and let
me know, bitch, you did that. And once I got
to that number seven, because I had a total of
about seven stylists, that's when God say job well done.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Now this is next, and that's when I close my salon.
And you were obedient. I was obedient. It was hard
to do. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It was the scariest thing in the world for me
to do because this was the thing. And I'm sure
you went through this, sister, even with you leaving your
sex work. It's like, wait, this is the thing that
I built up so you can sit up in your
luxurious your first mansion out there and Conyers.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You know, this was the thing that I.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Built for myself, being her hairstylence and becoming a six
figure eerner so I could live in Buckhead amongst the
fab you know.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And now I'm at this crossroad where I can't.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I can't keep doing it and do this entertainment and
this acting thing, because it was breaking me down and
I'm like, oh my God, what am I gonna do?
And I had to trust God, and God literally literally
sent an angel. I would say, he sent in one
of his vessels. And I was sitting in Houston's restaurant
with the grandmother, you know, Grandma, and this lady, I
(39:32):
swear to you, she stopped by my booth and she
was leaving out because I had been I had been
going through a lot with the salon and trying to
manage everything. And it was that lady stopped by my
booth and that I wish, I wish miss Mary was
here because sister, you know, miss Mary, she wasn't a spiritual.
That lady stopped by my booth and she put her
hand on my shoulder and she said, stop stressing over
(39:53):
that salon. And I knew I said so now I'm thinking,
I'm like, oh, maybe she's a maybe she's a a
client at the salon, and maybe she done heard me
and that going off on my team or something.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I said, do you come up? She said no, she
said God just told me to tell you to let
it go. It was just like that. And I got
a witness. The grandmother was sitting right there. And I
got in my car. I turned on Donnie mcclerk.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I tell this story out of the time, so if
those of you are watching us seeing on other podcasts,
I'm always tell this story because it's my testimony. And
I got in my car. I played Donnie McClerkin and
Derenda Clark Cole. There's a song that says let it go.
I got in that car and boohooed and boo hooed.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I said, oh my God.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
And I once I got myself together, probably the next
day or two, I wrote a letter to my team
because they never left me as mean as I was
to them, but I knew I loved them, and I
knew I wanted to be the best.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I wrote a letter to them, and I wrote a
letter to all of.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
My clients that had been with me for years, And
I said, he saved my life because you know, back then,
we didn't have a whole lot of options, bitch. You
could be a makeup artist, a has stylist, a sex worker,
or you can do drugs or sell drugs.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
See it, that was it ain't nothing else that was it.
That wasn't no motherfucking and ship. You can make what
they call it monetizing account. That wasn't.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
None of that ship out back then was none of
that day. You had them faux options, bitch. If you
were one to live out loud and and and and
walked authentically in your truth, in your truth, them was
your faux motherfucking options. Now, of course I had other
gay friends, you know, that were masculine, performing or whatever
(41:42):
that focused on blending, so they didn't have problems. They
can go anywhere and do whatever because they blended. They blended,
you know. And now I will never get this young man.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He stopped me.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He said, I want to thank you, he said, because
I've been in corporate maryor my whole adult life, he said.
And I remember I used to want to so bad
put a little rainbow flag or something at my desk,
he said, And we couldn't do that, he said. Now,
I've never been like nobody ever knew that I was
(42:16):
gay or nothing, he said. But I always on the
inside wanted to just celebrate that part of me, he said.
And now a company that I work for, they celebrate
pride now, he said. And I watched people like you
and some others way back in a day. Y'all made
this shit possible because even with some of my some
(42:38):
of my trans sisters and brothers, that before the trans
movement was as big as it is now, they were stealth.
They were stealth, and they focused on blending. It was
the holes in the gray area like myself. This this
bitch who never really who never hidmever, who never hid.
(43:00):
We got all the motherfucking bullets. We got all the
goddamn stripes. And now and this is not you want
to piss me off, walk past me like you some
kind of goddamn superior bitch.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Don't do that. Don't do it. I had this one,
Queen walp Pat had hellosha Dad, bad bitch, God's mistake.
You know I got children for people like you.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Oh, she must to gave you a shady do that,
bad bitch, I said, gave you a Shady said, yes
she did. I said, now what I do to her?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
What I do to her?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
But you know what, in hindsight, I said, you know
what I actually I said, I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Because what that displayed was, oh, bitch, I can do
it too. And I said, yes, the you can, bitch,
you got it.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
But at first it gave a Shady said, but at
first it well it was shady, but the wise, the
wiser part of myself, I said, oh, I know where
that comes from, and yo, I can do it too,
and bitch you doing it?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Go ahead, bitch.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
But at first, but at first I wanted to grab
that hold by her motherfucking neck. Oh my god, sister,
we don't came down here to the end of the show,
and it's called, uh it's my favorite segment of the show.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It's called ban it, bitch.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Now, there's some people out there that are banning drag
shows lbgt Q, plus books and even our very existence.
But we're flipping the script. What's something you would ban
if you ran the world. Now here's how it works.
We each get one minute to make our case for
what needs to go. The producers in there will keep
(45:03):
track of time when there's thirty seconds, and then when
there's ten seconds left, let me kick it off and
show you how it's done.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
You'll ready. What's up, y'all?
Speaker 3 (45:13):
My name is TS Madison, and if I rule the world,
I would band having to tuck girl. When I tell you,
I'm sitting here right now and these tuck panties are
tearing me up. And mind you, the only reason why
I have on tuck panties because I have on a
body suit.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I'm not getting my nuts or a cock cut off
any time soon, so I'm gonna have to pull I'm
gonna have to do like a slave shock.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm to pull up and pull back. Yeah. But it's
just the fact that these tuck panties is so timing
right now. They call them gass. No no, no dog
no listen.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I don't even I don't even think about a gas.
It's these panties I got over. But they but the
But it's actually not supposed to be tucking my meats.
It's tucking in my food. It's working over time, but
it's squeezing their head out of booth. For them, I
stood up to pull it out of masks and I
(46:08):
just want to bandom bitches for being so tight. But
they're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And I just want to let me see, what would
I want to ban?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Honey, that's a few things, and it's gonna be a
whole group of people that's not gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
But I want them to ban this fucking hookah shit.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Every goddamn where you go, it is a motherfucking hookah.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I also want them to ban so it's hookah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I want them to ban bitch, you spend forty fifty
dollars for you even go inside somewhere to enjoy yourself.
That's another them park a lot pimps. Band band them
holes too, bitch, band them hole. I just saw they
just passed legislation. Here what they gonna do. They were
putting regulations and some ship on the boot people. Because
(46:57):
I don't want to go upside several boot motherfuckers them
people to boot your car.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I don't want to go upside their heads several times.
So them three things.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I want to ban, the hookahs. I want to band
that price gouging in the parking lots, and the motherfucking
boot people. Because I like to be outside and have
a good time, and I don't want that because I
sing get my voice fucked up from all that hookahs
more and it ages you. I want to look young
and pretty for a long time.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
And that's man, it said. So, So, sister, were donna
come to the end of the show. We done talk
about it. We don't band. How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Did it feel good to sit down and be a
get with a bitch and you can talk to your ship?
I love it and just talk about who you are,
what you've done, what we've done. You make good money
and still go out of here not feeling above anybody. Oh,
but just affirming yourself, Like this podcast is about affirming yourself,
affirming who you are, talking about what you feel it,
(47:54):
you know, And I just I really wanted to create
a space like that, like by myself. Yeah, I ain't
need a co host criticiplace for myself and to have
my girlfriends come over and we just talk about stuff
like that. Well, I couldn't think of a better host
for something like this. I think it's necessary. And you know,
you make it comfortable for a motherfucker to be able
to talk that shit, you know what I'm saying. So
(48:15):
I listen, I and anybody know me. Know, I don't
never pop my own shit. I don't do it, but
I enjoy what you do because we do it. You
talk to me about it, we talk. But I enjoy
when you do it publicly because because you you are
a pioneer.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh thank you, SLF. You are thank you. You are
a pioneer. You are an inspiration.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
You are you did do those things, and it's it's
it should be celebrated, especially the time in these times
where they're trying to erase queer history, black history.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
There's too much erasure going on.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Celebrate yourself, and it's it's good that you can come
here and do it because I'm always gonna celebrate my
mother fucker. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I celebrate myself. I
do it in private when I might go down the
mall and drop a few bags. Now we're doing it open, yeah,
we do it. We're doing an open and listen. I
may have to borrow your crocodile.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
You got it because the.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Way because and I'm letting y'all know, if y'all see
me with a green crocker, it's real and I borrowed
it from it's Lauren, you got it, bitch. Listen listen,
because I can't just put my money on the lay. Yeah, no, don't,
and please don't don't do not. I don't need you
to because we can't both do it. Cause, bitch, if
that ship hit the fan and I need twenty dollars,
(49:27):
if somebody got to have it, I will have it,
thank you. I will have somebody got to have yes,
I will. And it's just like somebody got to have
the Burke and you got it. I need it exactly.
There you go, There you go, ladies, gentlemen, this has
been the Outlass Podcast with Tis Madison and my guest,
Miss Laurence.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Thank you for tuning in. Bye.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
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and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rebindowick, Maya Howard, and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are
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Joey pat and Carmen Burn. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is just crimechicch. Our associate
producer is Trent High Tower Special thanks to our producers
assistant Daniel rabino Witz. Our theme song is composed by
Wazi Merritt. Our show art is by Pablo Martinina Got
You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no wind. When did your inches bed bd
b b d bed bum yourself that you get a job?
Ricking honey, rick hoon haters, he chasing.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that, he stout liveing. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. H what they don't
put together? You gotta go at a strict format. No, okay,
hey on to the now you all ready? Is it on? Honey?
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Is it ho?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It is this thing recorded? Baby, This is TS Medisine
coming to you back loud, live and in color from
the Outlaws podcast with T. Madison and today, I have
a sister with the same mister, from the same mister,
the same mother from another mother.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Whatever the hell, y'all know what the hell I'm trying
to say. Bits Miss Laurence is in the beer. Yeah,
look yet a game they gave my sister, another mother,
another baby. Listen, I'm gonna get I'm gonna be down
there to that Welfaire. You know that said that way?
They said T. S. Madison is doing a podcast. I
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said what I said, fan talk. They said no that.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I said, oh no, this an iHeart bag, I said,
oh no. Then they then they popped the teas to me.
I said, oh, she's like, oh the Jeffersons name.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I'm moving on here my voice. De look studio, he looks. Girl.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You got to see the one I do in their
all work l acause you you've.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Done something in La. Ah, I do here in l A.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And then I'm right because you got and they got
one of New York. Tom be doing it the New
New York too. Oh good, because I got a movie
that I'm be doing out there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You a movie in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh, I'm leeve this time work? Oh yeah, I know
about that. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
you win it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Too, ain't youent? They will? You think? So I'm gonna
ask the people. I'm gonna leave. I don't know what'll
be wrong with the people. Girl. They use it sometimes
sometimes they don't. But it's okay. Listen one thing about it.
What's for you? You ain't gonna miss you? Baby? Come on,
I want you to understand that. Oh I know it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And you see the proximity I am to that Housewives
of Atlanta Andy. You can play them whole stroke games
all you want to, my god, but you know. What
I will say about you is you know the power
of speaking it and allowing it to manifest. Everything that
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you say you want to do, you do it. It
don't matter how long it takes, and you do the
work to get it. So, yes, Housewives is I'm I'm
already I'm gonna say it's in the cause I have
been known to have a magic one when it came
when it comes to Housewives.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, both of us sitting here with magic one. You go,
you're gonna be on that.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You're gonna be on that, both of us sitting here
with magic one. Yeah, and sitting on one, it's sitting
no one outside. I want to tell you I love you.
I've always told you I love you. I love every
time I'm with you, every time we just we're just
so magic together. And I think it's because we libres. Yep,
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we're both libras, and we both understand the business and others.
And what I love about you is that you've always
kept me. And you're younger than me, but you've always
kept me in check. Yeah, because you know I could
be a bomb. But see, I knew where you were
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it a long time ago. You know, even when you
first started, you know, uh, doing your your stuff at
the house.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I already knew when you was headed.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And so because I had been kind of privy to
the industry, you know, you know, I guess the business
way whatever I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The mainstream main before me, and I knew what it well,
I knew what all it didn't tell that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I knew the dude. I knew the dudes and the don'ts.
And I was like, okay, I know what. She getting
ready to go. So now, bitch, you can't do this
now because you ain't do this. Listen for you, for
those of you that out there that are watching, and
listen miss laws me sister now because you have to
wheel that hole back in. That bitch is crazy. And
she just start she goes she you know, goes off.
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And I'm like, and my sister, now she may she
may or may not. And I don't know admit it,
but sometimes I would go out there to the house
and she says, sister, come on and do the show
with me, and she'll start cutting up, and I wan,
don't cut up.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I won't cut up one of I couldn't do it. No,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't I s couldn't do it, and back then
my sister be like, girl, but no, misster, I don't
expect for you to cut up with me because because
here's the thing. I go through that with Craig. Now,
uh huh on the fag talk, uh huh. I go
through it because Craig get.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
The cutting up. And now you got to see how
I clopped. Oh I I don't think. I don't be watching.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I said, now look at her, not a bit, not
a bitch sitting in my seat. I'd be like, you
can't do that. Now, now she got to do it
the crag I go.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
To squeeze Craig knee.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Hey girl, right, hey, right. You know I've always got it.
But but but here's the thing. I've never wanted you
to compromise anything. You hear, let me do the thing
because I don't give and I tell people all the
time what Naddy is able to do, she can do
it because that is how she built. That's my wheelhouse
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brand that nobody can do what that lady do and
and and be tolerated and accepted for it. We all
got well out of everybody. But I know my mouth,
My mouth can carry I don't know, are we looking
at people anyway? Because because hey, y'all, my mouth.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can carry too. But I'm like, you know what, I didn't.
I didn't come out that way. My sister did, so
she she grew her business, her brand and everything that way.
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And it was been so because somebody don't know that you.
Nobody don't know how you can slice dice, and they
also don't know that you can whistle. See i'ma I'm
gonna put it to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You like this.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
If you from a generation that watched The Young and
the Rest, and there was an episode that Catherine D.
Chancellor wrote said, have you ever seen a person write
a check for a million dollars and someone disappeared?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
See, see that's the kind of girl you in. Catherin D.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Chancels ain't never made no threats. She just write a
check for a million dollars and you're gone. See I'm
not gonna do all that. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna do all that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna cut you out.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I tell you to eat ass and glass, pull up,
pull up, and I'm gonna write a take for a million.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That part that part. Yes, ma'am poof. So we don't listen,
This chick gonna be all over the place because this
is what we do. Now. For those of the people
out there.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That are watching the show, I don't know where you're
being how you if you don't know who Miss Laurence is,
I'm gonna allow my sister, Miss Lawn's to tell you
who she is. There's a segment on my show It's
called Talking Ship, and this is the time where I
get where the guests get the opportunity to say who
you are, what you do, what are you proud of?
And this is your time to shine. So don't hold back.
So in black people turn and black people turn, bitch,
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this is the time for you to ship, bitch. This
is the time for you to be like, I'm my
name is Miss Lawrence. I'm the first housewife of Atlanta
that was you know what I'm saying, I'm the first
I did the show. I did this fashion quick, you know,
because oftentimes we as blacks. Because I'm about to layer this,
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we as black folks always been told be humble. We
come from that era, sty be humble. We come from
that era. And I'm gonna tell you something. It's fucked
up now because to whereas we come from an era
where you you know, you have to be humble. You know,
these types of opportunities haven't always been you know, awarded
to people like us.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And so when you get it, bitch, be humble, humble,
be quiet. Dad. So I've never known how to talk
my ship.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You get the opportunity to be like, I'm the first
black transgender woman to executive produce and start in her
own reality television series on Earth. I have a song
with Beyonce' I received a Grammy certificate for that. I'm
on the Emmy winning television show Rupe Paul's Drag Race
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where I'm a judge that I brought home an Emmy
for that television show.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So this is why you You're supposed to be able
to do that with without because I think what tends
to happen, Miss Laurence, is that we make people take
it away like we're bragging. No, we're standing at what
we've done, and not just standing at what we've done.
We're standing and what we and what we done because
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we know the obstacles we have to stand against to
get those things done so.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On this show. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't said it.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I mean, oh well, yes, the the let me let
me my name is miss Lauren brought the TV first.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yes my name is Miss Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And yes, I was amongst the first in this great, iconic,
pioneering city of Atlanta to Georgia, to walk the streets
unapologetically me and felt the freedom that I was inherited
by our ancestors and by our civil rights heroes that
come from right here in this city, which enabled me
to move on and showcase all of myself and in
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my totality on television, which was The Housewives of Atlanta,
the first black flame and ass queen with pomps, a
handbag and pomps and red lipstick sometimes look the food bish.
Because I was still self discovering, but definitely helped to
open that door, you know, to open that door and
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break the barrier of getting people used to the idea
of people like myself. And and because of that, I
definitely believe that that God said, because you are walking
in your truth, because scripture says, was not scripture, but
the old saying says, to thine own self be true.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
What is that that's but Shakespeare's some shit like one
of that, but with the scripture that you want to say,
you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
On.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And so from that, from from from Housewives to my
own show Fashioned Queens, where I was able to meet
and cultivate the one of my strongest relationships with the
incomparable and ever so talented Bebby Smith, who's one of
my mentors and mothers, and my still sister Derek James,
you know, to being noticed by Lee Daniels and Lenny
Kravitz and you name it and them co sign and
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saying listen, we want you on Empire on Fox. Then
from that to Star, then from Star to the United
States versus Billy Holliday from United States versus Billy Holliday
to uh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
What I did after that?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Uh uh difference, then Deliverance, you know, and I mean,
you know, the list kind of goes on. Also being
I believe the first black gay individual to be awarded
the Phoenix Award, which is the highest honor that the
city of Atlanta gives us civilians.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's a ka the key to the city.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think I believe I'm the first and only black
queer person that that has gotten that and then it
came directly from the mayor.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So I'm really proud of that. That is that's one
of my most proud achievements.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Bitch the things and see and here's the thing. The
way that the country now is trying to erase history. Yeah,
this is why it's imperative that we talk our ship. Yeah,
because they'll sweep. They'll sweep like we've done nothing, like
we we've made no moves to do anything. They'll do
that to us, you know. And that's why it's important
that you talk your ship.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right now, I want to go on to your origin story.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Tell me about a turning point or an experience or
a source of inspiration or a Eureka moment that shape
you on the path that you're on today.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know. So, what was a turning point for you
like that you knew that, Oh my god, what was
the turning point that put you on the path that
you on right now? I would have to say that
started when I was a hairstylist.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I became one of the most sought after hairstylists here
in it in Atlanta, and it garnered me a clientele
that was just magnificent out of this world and all
the opportunities came from that which led me into the
entertainment space. And I one day it hit me that
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because I was obedient and because I nurtured everything that
God had given me the gifts, is what made room
for me to be in the arena and in the
spaces that I'm in now. It's been a lot of
surreal and aha aha and dreaming moments.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That it's a lot of them. It's a lot of them,
you know.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Even even now, some of the new adventures are paths
that I'm working things that I'm working on right now.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's like I'm like, well, I can't even believe I'm
doing this right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll tell you I've gotten into the real estate investing
space and the developing space, and that was I never
thought i'd be there. And what prompted that or what
sparked it was my FI lost my father two years
ago and that was all that he did, you know,
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And I had no idea that I would be But
I was forced to get into it because of my
father past.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He had properties and stuff that had to be taking
care of it manage.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I said, okay, and then God had placed the people
in place to help me along that journey and mentor
me and show me and show me the ropes.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And so I'm excited about it and it feels good.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it's just it's another it's another it's another chapter
that I get to add to my story. Well a minute,
So now you're about to be a real estate mogul girl.
We got to put a show together, honey.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, and so listen. So I was late.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I was supposed to have been here earlier, y'all, but
I had my times mixed up. I had a close
in today at one thirty. I had to go to
that first on another property that I'm about to do,
and I said, lord, I thought them people told me
for thirty and it was really twelve. So anyway, but
I'm here now. But yeah, so it's it's so we
got to do a spin show called Pomps with properties.
Come on, Pumps, Punks and Properties, bitch pumps and properties
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and properties. Yeah, because people don't think that we you know,
I think that we've been so associated with such such
a derogatory things like they don't they don't think that
we're prosperous.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, And because the especially US US queens of color.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The only queens of color that I would say that
we've really seen that have lived out loud, prosperous queens
like we've seen Rue Paul. I mean, we got Lee Daniel,
Lee Daniel. But like we're talking about Lee is not
a flamboyant queen. Though well Lee can be a fan,
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he can be sometimes, but we but we're talking about
like well like because if you the public don't really
look at Lee it's gay, like they look at us
like they look at us, you know what I'm saying.
They look at Lee like he's a director, he's a dad.
They've looked past his sexual orientation to be like he's this,
he's his right, but they still look at it, Oh
she's trans or he's gay.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You know what I'm saying, Because we have it's it's
a it's you know, it's it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It don't we to them, we don't hold the same value, right,
so then we don't hold the same So let's so
let's reword that like like flamboyant gay, like we've never
really seen a lot of black black anyway, because she's
drag race drag queen. We know she bought that thirteen
million dollar mention over there, and don't she got a
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farming out of there, baby, she got it all. She
got a farm and goats and all kinds of things.
Bitch that who ain't gonna never be hungry, bitch that whole,
that whole will and she gonna go and goats and
cow rich, motherfucking bitch. And she deserves every dime, motherfucking
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every dime.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And we thank her for the past.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I only met Ruth one time when I was I
had done watch What Happens Live, and Ruth was also
the guests that day, so he and I and he
was so lovely and offered some beautiful encouraging words to me.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I love her, So it's rude. Then it was I
don't know anybody else.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That was that was that was unapologetically just out there,
just flamboyantly.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Gay and showing their wealth and letting it be known. Bitch,
Oh I'm wealthy. I don't know. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And and the ones that were were before our time,
and they were gone, sylvesta little richer, you know all that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But I don't know anybody. And so this is why
again takes us back to the top.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Of the show when we're talking about being humble and
it's the other like, you know, this is why it's
good for us to talk about and like people get
mad at me because I say, oh, bitch, I'm rich,
Like they get mad like, oh God give you know
you get those ones to be able to Oh God
could take all that you ain't bet No, I'm not
saying we know that, but I'm not saying I'm better
than anybody.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, bitch, I'm rich. Yeah, I'm letting you I'm letting
it be known like because deeper, it's deeper. It's not bragging,
it's really telling yourself, like, bitch, I'm rich.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
When them people in the world.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And society told me that a motherfucker like me will
never have what my straight counterparts get to have, that
I will never have what my white day counterparts have.
And bitch I was able to do it. Yes, Chris,
it's rich. Yes, Yes, I'm other fucking rich. Yes, yes,
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you get the chance to do that because of the
things that are stacked against you, like you get you
going line. You see, Oh a bitch got a network
or two million, three million, five million, Yes, that I'm
gonna tell you right now, you can go look me up.
You ain't never gonna know my goddamn network. I'm not
gonna let you know it. Well, it's unfortunate that they
put my ship out there, but it's but it's okay.
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You ain't never fit because Madison Hinton only makes ten
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
A year, don't you love it? Girl? So good? So
bitch when Uncle Sam and Ada that's all I make.
I don't make nothing. I'm damn it. I don't make
a dime.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But it's just it's just the fact that I love
celebrating that. I love celebrating that. And it's not that
I think that I'm better. It's like, bitch, you you
thought that I couldn't. You thought that I couldn't, and
and and I have to, you know, give reference and
acknowledge all of those that took the bait and thought
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that they couldn't, and so they didn't, and so they didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And so.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
My my biggest I would have to say that one
of the things that I am I am most grateful
about and the thing that makes me feel really good,
I think the most is that young black queer people
and even if they're not, even if they're older than me.
They now see by looking at people like yourself, you know,
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like me, like a route, like bitch. Yes, you can
do whatever you do. You can do whatever the fuck
you want. And it don't matter how you started. It
does not matter how you started. It's what matters is
what you do with what you got when you start.
That's right, and you are a true testament.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes that yes yet so yeah, she was, she was,
She was a hole, she saw she was, she did
all that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
But even before she came to TV, I got before
she became ts Madison, the bitch built her own motherfucking
porn production company. I was already it was determined. She
was already a business woman. Yeah, before I got in
the TV, I tell a motherfucker all the time. I
had to tell her so lung bitch, I had half
Salon's I did have, bitch. I was a six figure
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earner at the age of twenty three years old before TV.
Miss Lawrence was created. Before television, my clients named me
Miss Long. This ain't no shit I did for TV.
I had a bitch. He Oh, you gotta come up
with something clever and catchy because you wanted to know.
I ain't never wanted attention that bitch. I tried to
hide from it because I ain't feel I ain't getting
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called facts and all that bitch I tried hide from.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So I let my success be my tool.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So I was a six figure earner at the age
of twenty three years old, bought a bit ass condominium
in the heart of motherfucking buckhead at twenty four years old,
when society was saying, oh, bitch, you' a girl.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You ain't gonna be able to get this. Youin't gonna
be You're gonna bitch who who can't?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You can't pushing the bins at twenty three years old,
and I told somebody that I worked with on a
on a on one of my early early early projects.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I said, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I said, I will walk away from everything if I
can't live the way that I I built my own
self up to live. If I was a six figure
hearner at twenty three was able to do all this
shit by Chanelle, by Dolce, by Dior and all those
things before television, I be goddamn if I.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ain't gonna be able to do it. Now that I
got on TV. I'm not gonna play with you like that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You're not gonna give me no shitty deal and think
I'm just gonna take it, and bitch be sitting starving.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, bitch, not me.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, just to be famous, not me, because I don't
give y'all can't knock y'all not know my dough. I
never went out the fame. Y'all not know my door.
I don't give a fuck y'all not on my door.
You know what I love about this conversation. I don't
get this a lot from you.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And I love this about I love this because we
do this privately. We do and it makes me feel
good because I want you to celebrate. It's okay to
celebrate yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's okay. It's too much stuff is going on right
now where they're trying to erase us. They trying to
erase you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And then in the entertainment space the shit that happened
with the pandemic and then the strike, and I was like,
oh wait a minute, work it is real scarce. So
guess what I had to bitch, I go back to
my roots. Oh, bitch, I know how to pick bitch,
I'm gonna get a coin.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm gonna get a coins. You are I'm gonna eat. Yes,
I'm going to do that. And no, no, I didn't go.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No I'm not going back to doing hair. No, I'm
not doing that because God told me to close that door.
And I was obedient, because obedience is better than sacrifice. Hey,
and so I closed that door and guess what he
opened up and he said, here you go, here you go.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That's what I want you to do.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That's what people don't know. And it's like they be
trying to hold my feet to the fire. Poor and
porn and poor porn baby. God told me to close
that door. When I did, I ain't. I haven't had
a little bad it's it's it's unfortunate for y'all. That's
where y'all kept me. Thank you for your twenty and
while we own that about once I close the door,
I'm not interested in being the one. Ooh, give me
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the latest read to say. What can I say to bitch?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm not I'm not even writing that for you doing that.
I don't do that, bitch, You hate me to read
what you think about so and so and so I
don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't care. I don't think ooh, what you think
about the new cast? Bitch? I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I don't think about it, bitch, IM part of the blueprint.
I don't think about what's gonna happen afterwards.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yes, our foundation was laid. I laid that a line.
I laid that and left. Yeah, I laid it and left.
You're welcome. Right. Let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I just talked about this before we were recording in here. Uh,
how we were you and I were casting the movie bros. Uh,
it's a Billy Eichner, Judd apatoh, Nicholas Stolar film that
we want a glad Award for it. Uh. We did
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that iconic film, you know, in which we both go
out to the mailbox because we were top build Yes,
top billing, top billing. We go out to the mailbox
and honey, we get our we get our we get
our fat nasty checks.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Honey coming. I mean one day I called us a girl. Bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I was land in my bed, I say, girl, I
was land in my bed, brainstorming how to get mine
how well, how to get another coin? And she calm
and she said, sister, you've been to the same She said,
you've been to the mailbox. She said it's something and
I said, I said, girl, you sent me something like
the babe she sent me some don what she talking about?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I had got about their bed and went down that
long hallway because I lived on the end in the
corner corner view.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Uh huh, and I like all this, I know.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I went down to that bare box and I said, oh,
it was a sag. After and I opened it, I said,
the name of you didn't have to do it, but
you did it today, and you did it on time.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You did it on time. Guards see.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And listen, here's the gag we've been because you know,
we we we we got a lot of flat from
even our people that looked like us.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah, we got a lot of
flat from people that looked like us.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
We're gonna we're gonna not just look like us that
also identify as we identify.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
H y'all movie flopped, Oh y'all this and the other.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh that's good for you know, celebrating these things like
because they thought something was ill, I guess what. And
it's all good because you know what that movie was.
You know what those these these opportunities are I call
it our table. And those people that look like us,
that are in the same community as us, it's black
like us, they are in close proximity. Why are they
(27:22):
in close proximity because some of them will not celebrate us,
they will not be happy for us.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And those people also need to be sitting front row
because the word says, I will prepare your table in
the presence of your enemies, in the presence.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So I need you right here, continue to reveal yourself
because this table and gonna do nothing but keep motherfucking expanding, bitch.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And it's gonna be that way, that way, this way,
and that way, bitch.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And it's just gonna be preparation at the preparation, after preparation.
That's it, after the preparation. And we know that we
still go because it doesnet been many times after that chat.
We done went to that meal off and done gathered
up those so for them were screaming out, oh y'all,
movie flop, it did this and the other and it
(28:13):
actually didn't flop.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It didn't flop. But listen, it's okay. Let them. You
gotta let them.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
People believe what they believe from their cubicle because and
it's okay, it's all right, it's okay, because we definitely
know what when we were top Bill, we still when
that movie, that movie is somewhere playing right now on
somebody's plane train and automobile. See, and while it's playing
on somebody's plane train and on automobile, were gathering that up.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's right, in the name of the Most High, in
the name of the Most High, we.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Thanked them for that. Yeah, so you know what we did, bros. Right,
And you had came in with that motherfucking crocodile bed.
Speaking of that crocodile bead, you had came with that
crocodile bed the way the white people.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It was one of them, was that one lady what
was the one actor's name?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Big Remember she was beat too, And I said, bitch
your shoes. Yeah, she's the woman that played in The
Help Jessica, Jessica chat Stain, Jessica chest Stain. We had
met Jessica chest Stain and I walked up to her
and I said, bitch, that's a nasty shoe.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
And she fell in my heart.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
She did, she did, she fell in my own I
was like, bitch, that is a nasty shoe, and she's like,
oh my god, and she just felt and it was
it was the people that we have been amongst and
that we've been around and like and that we've kicked
it with and stuff like that. Like, I don't think
people really understand how we as queer people are so
(29:43):
influential and not this influential of the spaces that we occupy,
but we've had to occupy a lot of spaces in silence.
Like we came in doing hair, doing makeup, holding bags.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I ain't never hear nothing, hold on no being the bitch,
I ain't never helped that one of those bag.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Bitch, bitch, my bitch, my purse was just as heavy,
bitch being the assistant. And for you to walk in
with that crock cuddile with that motherfucking coat. I don't
know what kind of coat that was, girl, it was
a suit coat, but it was.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
A ground it was.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It was an let me tell you something right now.
This is just I'm just gonna be honest. I am
one of the girls. Bitch this you are.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And I learned from ballroom.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
If that is any type of article of clothing or
any type of article or accessory that I want.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'm gonna motherfucking get it.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And if I can't get it, I know a bitch
that I know a bitch just gonna get it funck
and I'll get it from that, and I'll get it
from there.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm gonna have the things.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I will not be denied because I was told that
I will have life and have an abundant and yes you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Do, and you abundantly walk in walked in with that
chuck girl. I said, I really when you came in,
I was mind you. I listen, I got a stretch
piece body. I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It's a lot of things I can't. It's a fascinate
for him from me. But I guess what this whole Okay,
so she got a stretch piece body. I might walk
down the street with a hundred thousand dollar word of
shit on, but guess what. Ain't nobody gonna miss hub
because I got a hundred thought do work, because this
whole body. Because I'm gonna tell y'all something back in
the day, that whole do this right, that hole will
(31:46):
pop through and lift her whole dress up bitch and
be given Yeah, well that's where my body was.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I was intact. Well, yeah, you were small, and you
were smaller than you.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
And the body was intact. The hitties wasn't it wasn't dropped,
Yeah it was all.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I was proud.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But I say that to say she ain't never had
to have all this, all the accoutra monks and adornments.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
But it's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I listen, I look at y'all. I don't look at
y'all girls and envy with you. I look at y'all
with bitch.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That is sickening. I look at it from that.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
And I always had face. Yeah, faces, had a mug,
always had a mug.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I can't deny that mug.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And I tell people all the time when you when
you got face, you got body, you got you ain't
got to do that. No, but sister, y'all, y'all listen,
you have always been adorned in in the garment. I'm
a fashion girl, do yeah, that's when I ain't. I
ain't never professed to be no face bitch. I can
go paint the face, oh no, no, get it twisted.
But I ain't never been. I've always been a fashion girl.
That's that's always been. I remember the first time you
(32:49):
pumped through with some boots. I didn't know what those
I think they were Chanel boots, probably been you pomped
through with some boots and I was like, girl, what
are those like?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know what I'm saying, Like you you had those things?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And I've never, really, I've never been envious of that
because I saying I can't fit that. I don't have
a I don't I can't fit it like I can't.
You know what I'm saying, bitch, If I one day,
we got to do a show about all the ship
that that that I have gone through to get in
ship with a having a whole niggas foot bitch and
(33:22):
getting up bitch, putting a putting a little a little
plastic trash bag, a little plastic trash bag on.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
The on your foot first, the slider in.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Old tight ass boot, taking two or three of leaves, bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
When your feet starts swelling, it hurting, bitch.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Also you can have on a Shanel or dioror Blonic
bitch all botaga boot because.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I have all bitch. Also you can have all that, bitch.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But I got we got to do a show specifically
about the sacrifices of a boot of a boot.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh that's good, the sacrifice of a boot. Which one?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I tell you, y'all, I'm shining in Greece because I've
been running around today my niece birthday. And she done
wore me at honey make up, how she don't win
and got some goddamn pink house.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
She got a rich aunt. That was she did? She
really think that sh it too? She got a rich
hunt her aunt had.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Her aunt has a corner. She has a corner condo
in the heart. But that I'd be like, girl, listen,
you have your food catered for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, no, I don't do that. I cook now.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I do still get some things catered. Yeah, she said
she's spent to a catering, a grand catering. Yeah, you've
had your closet custom down. Yeah, there are things that
you know, the things of a grand one. It's my birthday,
do me in. I let all my nieces and nephews know, honey,
I get all your gifts from the dollar. Try because
(34:52):
the money I'm gonna leave you in in the inheritances
that you do that you do all the rest of
and they so cute. I'll be seeing them and Mary
be posting them. No, no, you don't know nothing, aback,
what the fuck I'm got going on?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And then no, no, no, don't do that. You guys
do know I have a blended Go look at a colony, y'all. Listen, Yes, Jail, what.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Facetimey FaceTime so you can say, hey, the TS matters
to FaceTime? That's your face time?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
What she got? You gotta do a make up. I
don't gotta be there to look at him, Maddy, Maddy,
look at him.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Hey, niece, Oh my godish, happy birthday, come on, come
on to you. Happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
To you, Happy birthday, niece, Jail, Happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
To calling on y'all.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Now, sister, I want to get down to your villain era,
and we're gonna get down to the end now.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I want to talk about every outlaw.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
It's labeled a villain at some point and or often
when we're just trying to live our truth or do
our best. Your villain era could be a time you
stop people pleasing, a time you stood up for yourself,
or maybe you made a mistake, or maybe you did
something that sparked some controversy, or maybe simply the world
wasn't ready for you? What was your villain era? Oh I, Oh,
(36:41):
it's a couple of them. So one definitely, you know,
uh coming up here in the South of eighties. Baby, No,
the world wasn't ready, the city wasn't ready sometimes, you know,
So definitely. I don't know if it was a villain,
I don't know what you call it, but I definitely
dealt with a period where the world and the people
(37:03):
just were not ready, but they eventually had to get
ready right now before I ascended to where I am now.
When I was a hairstylist, I was fortunate enough to
build a team. I had a dynamic team of hairstylists
that were phenomenal, and I was the villain because I
was very strict and I was very hard on them
(37:24):
because I wanted them to be the absolute best, And
when they became the best, I got to see my best.
When they became the best, I got to see what
I was really got damn made of that I could
recreate another me or other versions of me, or give
everything that I've had to somebody.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Else to watch them grow and blossom.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And it's hard to do that sometimes because people don't
really get it. They want to be They want to
be your friend, they want to be your key ki
Yo Judy on account of no no, no, no, no no,
because you're gonna be great. Because I want to make
sure that what I've been able to come isn't just
by chance or by luck. I want to make sure
that I own everything that I do, my intellectual property,
(38:09):
the way that I teach, I want to make sure
that I have it. And the only way I can
make sure is if I teach it to somebody else.
So if I can teach it to you, I could
teach it to you. That's gonna affirm me and let
me know, bitch, you did that. And once I got
to that number seven, because I had a total of
about seven stylists, that's when God say job well done.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Now this is next, and that's when I close my salon.
And you were obedient. I was obedient. It was hard
to do. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It was the scariest thing in the world for me
to do because this was the thing. And I'm sure
you went through this, sister, even with you leaving your
sex work. It's like, wait, this is the thing that
I built up so you can sit up in your
luxurious your first mansion out there and Conyers.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
You know, this was the thing that I.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Built for myself, being her hairstylence and becoming a six
figure eerner so I could live in Buckhead amongst the
fab you know.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And now I'm at this crossroad where I can't.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I can't keep doing it and do this entertainment and
this acting thing, because it was breaking me down and
I'm like, oh my God, what am I gonna do?
And I had to trust God, and God literally literally
sent an angel. I would say, he sent in one
of his vessels. And I was sitting in Houston's restaurant
with the grandmother, you know, Grandma, and this lady, I
(39:32):
swear to you, she stopped by my booth and she
was leaving out because I had been I had been
going through a lot with the salon and trying to
manage everything. And it was that lady stopped by my
booth and that I wish, I wish miss Mary was
here because sister, you know, miss Mary, she wasn't a spiritual.
That lady stopped by my booth and she put her
hand on my shoulder and she said, stop stressing over
(39:53):
that salon. And I knew I said so now I'm thinking,
I'm like, oh, maybe she's a maybe she's a a
client at the salon, and maybe she done heard me
and that going off on my team or something.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I said, do you come up? She said no, she
said God just told me to tell you to let
it go. It was just like that. And I got
a witness. The grandmother was sitting right there. And I
got in my car. I turned on Donnie mcclerk.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I tell this story out of the time, so if
those of you are watching us seeing on other podcasts,
I'm always tell this story because it's my testimony. And
I got in my car. I played Donnie McClerkin and
Derenda Clark Cole. There's a song that says let it go.
I got in that car and boohooed and boo hooed.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I said, oh my God.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
And I once I got myself together, probably the next
day or two, I wrote a letter to my team
because they never left me as mean as I was
to them, but I knew I loved them, and I
knew I wanted to be the best.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I wrote a letter to them, and I wrote a
letter to all of.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
My clients that had been with me for years, And
I said, he saved my life because you know, back then,
we didn't have a whole lot of options, bitch. You
could be a makeup artist, a has stylist, a sex worker,
or you can do drugs or sell drugs.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
See it, that was it ain't nothing else that was it.
That wasn't no motherfucking and ship. You can make what
they call it monetizing account. That wasn't.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
None of that ship out back then was none of
that day. You had them faux options, bitch. If you
were one to live out loud and and and and
walked authentically in your truth, in your truth, them was
your faux motherfucking options. Now, of course I had other
gay friends, you know, that were masculine, performing or whatever
(41:42):
that focused on blending, so they didn't have problems. They
can go anywhere and do whatever because they blended. They blended,
you know. And now I will never get this young man.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
He stopped me.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He said, I want to thank you, he said, because
I've been in corporate maryor my whole adult life, he said.
And I remember I used to want to so bad
put a little rainbow flag or something at my desk,
he said, And we couldn't do that, he said. Now,
I've never been like nobody ever knew that I was
(42:16):
gay or nothing, he said. But I always on the
inside wanted to just celebrate that part of me, he said.
And now a company that I work for, they celebrate
pride now, he said. And I watched people like you
and some others way back in a day. Y'all made
this shit possible because even with some of my some
(42:38):
of my trans sisters and brothers, that before the trans
movement was as big as it is now, they were stealth.
They were stealth, and they focused on blending. It was
the holes in the gray area like myself. This this
bitch who never really who never hidmever, who never hid.
(43:00):
We got all the motherfucking bullets. We got all the
goddamn stripes. And now and this is not you want
to piss me off, walk past me like you some
kind of goddamn superior bitch.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Don't do that. Don't do it. I had this one,
Queen walp Pat had hellosha Dad, bad bitch, God's mistake.
You know I got children for people like you.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Oh, she must to gave you a shady do that,
bad bitch, I said, gave you a Shady said, yes
she did. I said, now what I do to her?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
What I do to her?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
But you know what, in hindsight, I said, you know
what I actually I said, I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Because what that displayed was, oh, bitch, I can do
it too. And I said, yes, the you can, bitch,
you got it.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
But at first it gave a Shady said, but at
first it well it was shady, but the wise, the
wiser part of myself, I said, oh, I know where
that comes from, and yo, I can do it too,
and bitch you doing it?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Go ahead, bitch.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
But at first, but at first I wanted to grab
that hold by her motherfucking neck. Oh my god, sister,
we don't came down here to the end of the show,
and it's called, uh it's my favorite segment of the show.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It's called ban it, bitch.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Now, there's some people out there that are banning drag
shows lbgt Q, plus books and even our very existence.
But we're flipping the script. What's something you would ban
if you ran the world. Now here's how it works.
We each get one minute to make our case for
what needs to go. The producers in there will keep
(45:03):
track of time when there's thirty seconds, and then when
there's ten seconds left, let me kick it off and
show you how it's done.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
You'll ready. What's up, y'all?
Speaker 3 (45:13):
My name is TS Madison, and if I rule the world,
I would band having to tuck girl. When I tell you,
I'm sitting here right now and these tuck panties are
tearing me up. And mind you, the only reason why
I have on tuck panties because I have on a
body suit.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I'm not getting my nuts or a cock cut off
any time soon, so I'm gonna have to pull I'm
gonna have to do like a slave shock.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm to pull up and pull back. Yeah. But it's
just the fact that these tuck panties is so timing
right now. They call them gass. No no, no dog
no listen.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I don't even I don't even think about a gas.
It's these panties I got over. But they but the
But it's actually not supposed to be tucking my meats.
It's tucking in my food. It's working over time, but
it's squeezing their head out of booth. For them, I
stood up to pull it out of masks and I
(46:08):
just want to bandom bitches for being so tight. But
they're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And I just want to let me see, what would
I want to ban?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Honey, that's a few things, and it's gonna be a
whole group of people that's not gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
But I want them to ban this fucking hookah shit.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Every goddamn where you go, it is a motherfucking hookah.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I also want them to ban so it's hookah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I want them to ban bitch, you spend forty fifty
dollars for you even go inside somewhere to enjoy yourself.
That's another them park a lot pimps. Band band them
holes too, bitch, band them hole. I just saw they
just passed legislation. Here what they gonna do. They were
putting regulations and some ship on the boot people. Because
(46:57):
I don't want to go upside several boot motherfuckers them
people to boot your car.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I don't want to go upside their heads several times.
So them three things.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I want to ban, the hookahs. I want to band
that price gouging in the parking lots, and the motherfucking
boot people. Because I like to be outside and have
a good time, and I don't want that because I
sing get my voice fucked up from all that hookahs
more and it ages you. I want to look young
and pretty for a long time.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
And that's man, it said. So, So, sister, were donna
come to the end of the show. We done talk
about it. We don't band. How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Did it feel good to sit down and be a
get with a bitch and you can talk to your ship?
I love it and just talk about who you are,
what you've done, what we've done. You make good money
and still go out of here not feeling above anybody. Oh,
but just affirming yourself, Like this podcast is about affirming yourself,
affirming who you are, talking about what you feel it,
(47:54):
you know, And I just I really wanted to create
a space like that, like by myself. Yeah, I ain't
need a co host criticiplace for myself and to have
my girlfriends come over and we just talk about stuff
like that. Well, I couldn't think of a better host
for something like this. I think it's necessary. And you know,
you make it comfortable for a motherfucker to be able
to talk that shit, you know what I'm saying. So
(48:15):
I listen, I and anybody know me. Know, I don't
never pop my own shit. I don't do it, but
I enjoy what you do because we do it. You
talk to me about it, we talk. But I enjoy
when you do it publicly because because you you are
a pioneer.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh thank you, SLF. You are thank you. You are
a pioneer. You are an inspiration.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
You are you did do those things, and it's it's
it should be celebrated, especially the time in these times
where they're trying to erase queer history, black history.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
There's too much erasure going on.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Celebrate yourself, and it's it's good that you can come
here and do it because I'm always gonna celebrate my
mother fucker. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I celebrate myself. I
do it in private when I might go down the
mall and drop a few bags. Now we're doing it open, yeah,
we do it. We're doing an open and listen. I
may have to borrow your crocodile.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
You got it because the.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Way because and I'm letting y'all know, if y'all see
me with a green crocker, it's real and I borrowed
it from it's Lauren, you got it, bitch. Listen listen,
because I can't just put my money on the lay. Yeah, no, don't,
and please don't don't do not. I don't need you
to because we can't both do it. Cause, bitch, if
that ship hit the fan and I need twenty dollars,
(49:27):
if somebody got to have it, I will have it,
thank you. I will have somebody got to have yes,
I will. And it's just like somebody got to have
the Burke and you got it. I need it exactly.
There you go, There you go, ladies, gentlemen, this has
been the Outlass Podcast with Tis Madison and my guest,
Miss Laurence.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Thank you for tuning in. Bye.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Come created by Tyler Rebinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rebindowick, Maya Howard, and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are
(50:06):
Joey pat and Carmen Burn. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is just crimechicch. Our associate
producer is Trent High Tower Special thanks to our producers
assistant Daniel rabino Witz. Our theme song is composed by
Wazi Merritt. Our show art is by Pablo Martinina Got
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!