Monét X Change: Don't Press the Button

Today, Madison is joined by “Drag Race” alum, the one and only Monét X Change!

To start off, we’re talking about the gender spectrum– she, her, he, him, they, them, and whatever else you want to throw in there. The ladies have a cross-general conversation about how expectations of gender identity and presentation have changed. Monét talks about her pronouns in and out of drag, and deep questions such as, to boob or not to boob? Doth the position maketh man (or woman)? 

Next we’re going nuclear– we all know Maddie doesn’t play and she doesn’t pull any punches. Monét’s villain era inspires today’s target… a certain blond haired talk show host who thinks she can hate on the trans community and still love the Ru girls. Okay…

Like Madison says, if you don’t want to go nuclear, don’t press the button!

This episode is bringing you big topics– like the importance of voting rights– and even bigger questions. Like, what the f*ck is a caramel macchiato?? Is New York really worth the winters? When will Madison become a regular judge on “Drag Race”? And will we see Madison follow in Monét’s footsteps as a future star of “The Traitors”???

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth left and goes out,
don't wait, no win.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Two inches b bd bed yourself?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Is that you get a job ricking honey, rick hoon haters,
he chasing.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
It all.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that here about live and gets colored easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine? Is it on? Is
it on? Honey? Is this thing recording? What's up? YouTube?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Land of the Lands, all across something? And this is
your girl T S Medisine coming to you loud, live
and always. I'm forever in color from the Outlaws podcast
with who t S Medicine?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Now listen.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It could have been with anybody else, but it wouldn't
have worked. It's only gonna work with Tis madisone. So
here we are on the Outlaws podcast. Now today I
have somebody that's very near, dear and special to me.
Them They she is one of my nieces, one of
my favorite drag race alum, a queen who has rained

(01:20):
and ruled, who should have had her own scepter and
ground by herself.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Let's talk about it, honey, talk about it, honey. It
sounds like as long as she got the prize money,
the checkst clear, The checks still clear, honey, ladies, got
to put your hands together for the one the only
Monette Exchange.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeshow I said, I have to repay the favorite because
when we were together in New York City, like I
was on the Monette Exchange show. Now, I want to
start out by talking to you and telling you that
that I got so many reviews from people messaging me saying,
well to his medicine.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
You polished well.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Really from that from the interview, that interview, like when
I came out, I sat down and talked to me.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
He looks so good.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean, you know everything is always perfect. You just
look so delicious and so beautiful. Because you know, I
can't operate in mediocracy. I can't wish you never do
every little TikTok YouTube going to what thing? You were
always stepping your security, but you have yes, everything is
always well. That's my bodyguard.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Body guard.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Understand there's a big difference between security and bodyguard. Okay,
security can work for anybody. The body guy guards the
body because he understands how important that the body is,
and that is a very beautiful the body.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
The body pays all his and mine.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
And so every every video, I just always this hard
standing like like this, and.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
It's because I appreciate you, and I appreciate Bob who
who who?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm gonna have one of these days whenever them the
she uh speaking of that, What are the pronouns that
I can use talking to you?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, so out of drag, I use she her and
he him pronounced in drag only she her, Yeah, yeah,
I you shee her and he him out of drag
because you know, girl, my dad and my dad calls
me mona.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
My dad girls me.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know what I mean, So just she her pronouns
also feel right out of drag. But in drag only
do not hear him me when I got a wig gone,
Wait a minute, he hit me? When I got a
motherfucking nail on one of my own fas not wait
a minute, wait a minute. Okay, I need some explanation
on that.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, tell me what is So when you're in drag
the persona monette it lives, do you feel that you
are a woman?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So in drag I do I feel like I do
feel cloaked in my womanity. I feel bathed in my
femininity when when I am in drag, you know, and
but again I don't identify obviously as a trans woman,
but I do identify as a non binary person when
I'm in drag.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
It is there. I fall more in the binary of woman.
She her. I feel just superfem hyperfem in drag. So
it's safe to say that you're so you're a non binary,
Yes I am.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I am non binary. But but just because you're non
binary doesn't mean you use dam pronouns. You can't use
aden pronouns, but I don't use aida pronouns as a
non binding person.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I don't feel bother do's either some other girls, So okay.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I got into a hated discussion the other day on
Twitter because the girls decided that okay.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And you also got to know that.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Your aunt is close to fifty huh yeah, and when
you're well, you don't look a day over thirty five.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I thank you, darling. My pussy is in a day
over twenty.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know, I always thought about getting boob like in
my early.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Twenties, like twenty twenty two, when I first arnted in drag,
I was heavily considering getting booms, and I honestly I
let it go maybe like five years ago. For like
first ten years, I was always going back and from
like do I want boobs? Do I not want boobs?
I was gonna get to get the whole surgery done.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
So this is my question.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I know you're opening the floor up to so many
different things and thoughts.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
So your boobs would have made you I think they
she it would have made done them she. It would
have definitely been a different experience. I think I wanted
to get boots for two reasons right One, this is
back when I was in my DL era and I
was only fucking dal dude girl.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It is so much going on right now? What is okay?
So you have a dl ato girl.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
My entire twenties, I was only fucking with married black
and Latino dal dudes that were married had had a girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Like that was my entire twenties.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I did not want to fuck faggots because I was like,
so this was so you wanted to trade? I want
to trade only it was a very toxic area. My
twenty was very.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why is that toxic?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Because like I wanted love, I wanted this thing and
I was seeking dudes that I could never get it from,
dudes that were never available to me. I was, I was,
I was fucking with dudes that could never ever be mine,
but I wanted someone to be mine. I would trick
myself into thinking, like, yeah, well if I just like
you know, like you know, I would I would leave,
leave the gig, be up in the Geche, come over
and they're getting the fantasy, and I would like trick

(06:22):
myself into thinking that would ever become something more than
just that night.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So you have had that, You have had the fantasy
up in Geeche. Oh yes, girl.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
It takes a lot of the girls like and when
they get up in Geche like what what is the
do you have the fantasy?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
And giche?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
And for those of you who don't understand what the fantasy?
Do you get fucked or fucking drag?

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yes? I like to, especially in New York.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I used to do a show at Hardware Bar,
which is on tenth Avenue, four Year Street. Around the
corner was Fairytale Lounge, which was the te Girl Lounge.
So we get a lot of overflow from the dudes
who'll be at who will be at the tea Girl Bar,
and they will come over to Hardware and it will
come over to my gig and I would finish my
show be like you know, the back room. Wipe the
sweat away a little bit, fix fix the wig a

(07:03):
little bit, make sure it's not looking crazy, and push
up your pushing on with your full what your full?
And I would take them back to my house and
we would do this girl all the time, and you
get your dick sucked and everything because because you're not
fucking me and dry, because this is done. I done
been like, oh, I'm doing the fun, I'm doing the bending.

(07:25):
So you're the top and yeah, but that's what they
always wanted. They always wanted to be girls, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So oh my god, we've went some man different places,
so many different places that I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I gotta go back to this square and go back.
All right.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So you're non binary, Yes, your pronouns are in drag
her out of drag.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's he him and and she her?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, and come on, come don't don't because I gotta
make sure my memory is still. And when you there
was a time that you wanted to have boobs, I did,
and you were gonna still get in and out of
drag with booms with boobs, yeah, like I would like
I would come present just like this, just have boom

(08:07):
so it would have so it would have made it
more easy for you to put on a leotard.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It'd have made it easy for you to put on them. Exactly.
At that point, I was doing drag.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Uh, I was working in New York sit, I was
doing drag seven shows over seven shows over five days.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I was working a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Okay, and like, this should just make my life easier.
And also when I wanted to with the fantasy, like.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
And got it.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Okay, all right, So what would you say to people
who'd say, well, this is this is what adds to
and this is just us having this conversation and it's
the floor is free. What would you say to people
who say, well, this is the this is what's wrong

(08:50):
with our society. Now we we are confused because see,
I understand exactly all of the errors that you you
spoke about.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I understand it.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And it seems as though that you really were on
a path to transitioning.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
But but there was something in the back of your psyche,
or there was something in the back of your of
your religious beliefs. I can probably attest to that that
made you that made you stop and be like, oh God.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, I think because there was never any dysphoria there.
I never looked in the mirror and did not see
myself like anything I wanted to do, Like any surgeries
I thought about wanting to do were just about convenience,
not about looking in the mirror and fixing the image
that I'm seeing staring back at me. So which I
think that is a big difference between our brothers and

(09:37):
sisters who are of a trans experience. You look in
the mirror, you don't see yourself. You want to look
in the mirror and see exactly who the person you
are inside. And I never had that experience.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well here's the thing why. This is probably why you're
drawn to your aunt. Because all of those things and
this feelings that you that you had or have, those
were lived experiences for me. So when people say to me,
a ts mass, and why do you advocate a lot
for gay men, I was like, well, there was the

(10:06):
time in my life that I did. I lived up
into that, and I was a gay man all the
way to seventeen. Then seventeen I found out that I
was trans. Like I was like, okay, well I've always
I always was trans, But because the society norms told
me that the box that I'm in right now as
I'm a gay boy. And so until I saw myself,

(10:28):
I was like, oh, this is it. Yeah, this is it.
Like I'm a woman. When I looked in the mirror
back in the day, I knew I was handsome.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
What what I knew? I was handsome?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
But I also knew I was I was like, I
wanted titties too, because I was like, when I get in,
I want to be desired. I want to be sexually
devoured by men of street identity. The worms give me them.

(11:02):
I wanted to be devoured this way. And so but
it was again religious, it was again it was it
was teachings of you know, where, where, where does the
where does the where does the soul go? After it leaves?
The body is going to go into eternal damnation, I know.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
And I have to do a lot of breaking down
for that myself, because I grew up in the church.
You know, Wednesdays for reversal.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Just fundays. I was in I was in vacation school,
you know what I mean. I did all of it.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
And I think that when I after I left college
and I started to figure out who my higher power was,
I'm breaking down all of those because what I what
I have come to in a place is I believe
in the higher power.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I believe that there is something bigger than me.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
But what I despise and what I cannot stand, what
I will do not fuck with, is organized organized religion.
It is the single handedly most dastily disgusting thing that
has broken on our community and has That's why the
country's fucked up right now. Organized will It is a sick, sick,
sick thing, and I will never ever participate in that

(12:03):
ever again in my life.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So again, I got into a tusso on Twitter because
as a woman who's headed to her fifties, yeah, you know.
And we talked about this on this podcast a lot
of like when I think what happened, and I'm going
to freely speak, this is not these are not monai'se.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Vise it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It could be when we talk about it, what I
think happened as a black trans woman, we didn't police
or we didn't uh yeah, we didn't police what transness was.
And so everybody started being able to get up like
like like like you'd get up and be like, well,

(12:48):
I'm trans, but then you have bald head and titties
and a beard, and it's just like, uh, you're.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Coming up, coming up.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
That was like, nah, God, because my gay mama would
be My gay mama would be so vicious to these
girls today. If these girls today could grow up with
the gay mama I had transition with, all of these
girls would be walking pussy right now. But because we've
gotten so open to a generalizing everybody's identity and accepting
everybody's identity, and we didn't what's the word I want

(13:23):
to use, not police, not say we didn't what's the word?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
God? Come on, because they said it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
We didn't gate keep, gatekeep, we didn't gate keep what
it was. So everybody's like, oh, yes, this is what
I am now. I respect none binary, but I got
into it with the person that was none binary, and
the non binary person said to me, how ignorant you are,
and I liked you so much, and as a trans person,
you should understand that non binary is trands too, So

(13:51):
I said, now, correct me if I'm wrong. Binary means
adhering to female or male a binary, So if you're
transitioning from male to female or female to male, you're
going to one other area of the binary, right, and

(14:13):
but if you're non binary, you're not adhering to either
of the codes, right, so how are you.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
But you're still transitioning to that different to where though,
to non binary, which is a nebulous of the two.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's a nebulous. But where is it going?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
And again I'm not I'm not invalidating anyone's I didity, right,
but where is it going? So you get on a plane,
you take off. I know I want to land in Womanville,
uh huh. Or you get on a plane, you take off.
I know I want to land in Manville. You get
on a plane to take off, I don't give a
damn where I land. No but that, but but but
on the way.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
But sometimes so manvillas had woman villas here, You're like,
you know what, I'm gonna get gas in non binary
villa in the middle.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I want to get some gas over here.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Because but that's trans Yeah, because it's because it's because
because brands are just like crossing over to a different
a different gender where and we're non binaryism. Well, I
think I think I think what it is is that
where is that we're noticing this this infinite loop that
it is. I think that from the nineties and to
now we have gained so much knowledge and we're learning

(15:19):
that gender is it is this spectrum thing, like you
don't have to exist on either end of it. There's
this whole kaleidoscope in the middle that you can exist
in on your way to you can But.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's non binary, yeah, right, which is a gender?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Is?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
It is a gender. It is a spectrum of gender.
But it's but to me, it's very hard for me
to be like.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
But when I hear that, though, I kind of think
of the oligarchs in like and these like these, these
these kingpins of religion who they can't understand all this
sudd the word trying to teach them.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, I don't want to be dumb, and so I'm
that's why I opened myself and I opened my floor
and I opened my platform. And I was very hurt
that a person would be like, you're ignorant, But I
needed to I needed clarity because if you because in
my thinking, I'm thinking like when I got up, because
there was a time that I wanted to have an.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Sr S SRS sexual assignment surgery.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh got it until one night, one night I have
ran into a Puerto Rican.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And he took my dick and my balls into his hand.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And he held it while he was there on his knees,
and he said, onto the doll.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You are beautiful exactly the way you are. You don't
hide that from me. Why are you hiding that from me?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
And I was like, after that, after I let it
fall and it fell into his mouth and his insides.
I have a Puerto Rican child out there somewhere. One
of my kids is definitely riggered because he carried them

(17:13):
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And you know, mail versus a very long process.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Imagine if man could give birth, God, we have so
many kids, which, girl, the way the gays would have
this world, we like, oh my God, equally easily be
about sixteen billion people by now. I was just I
was just on this gay cruise, and the way it
was for seven days, and the way these I'm like,
how is it possible to be having this much sex

(17:42):
all the time?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It was crazy. The gays love them, oh God, and
they love some beer back. And that's why prep is
so important.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And pep doxy pep, girl, Yes, the other day though,
I took doxy pep on a on an empty stomach
that would ruin your year.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Did you have like a traveler's pool? Girl? It was
just crams.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
It was it was that doctor peb will fuck you
up if you don't take some milk or something before it.
Oh okay, girl, So that is a PSA for y'all
take some food with adoption.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay, sorry, you're right. No wait listen.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So he had it in his hand, then he had it,
and then he blessed it. And from that moment on
up until recently, I shared an experience with my with
my friend here, but I can share it openly because
of what's going on with the administration.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I shared.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I said, I haven't had thoughts of SRS until just recently. Really,
until just recently, I haven't had any thoughts. I'm forty forty,
I'll be forty eight. I haven't had any thoughts of
that until just recently. But because of the way this
administration is going. But what are you what like, what
is the fair there that you need? Because it's it's safety.
What if they strip me and there's this big old

(18:50):
black dick and balls and big fucking forty eight triple
D titties.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Oh my god, so you would?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
And then I let's say something happens to me. I'm
ill or and I have to go into a place
where they hate the girls. And now you stripped me
down and I have to be taking care of it.
And there's big dick and nuts there. I have small,
I have more more nuts.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah great, but I have more dick has walnuts, you know,
because the power is in the peace.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yes, that's where the force is. That's where the thunder force.
And so that's the only time that I've thought about it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So again, I don't want to sound like that I'm
ignorant to the situation because I understand all because I'm
a girl of experience like i'm and you went to college.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I didn't go. I don't have any college experience. I
have some college.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I dropped out of college because I was transitioning during
the time and I was the only one there that
was like out of place. So I just left. And
that's like, girl, let me get this week together. This
will go help me learn anything. And then the streets
taught me everything else. I fucked enough college. You mean
to learn some big words. They were the school for me.

(20:13):
But I don't want to ever. And so people that
are watching this podcast, I don't want you guys to
think that I'm invalidating your identity. I said, I say this,
I want to talk to everyone. It's just I need
more understanding because I come from a different time. My
gay mama used to say, fish starts in the face. Honey,
if you want to be pussy, pussy starts in the face.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Don't you ever forget that you are a man going
into a woman. See but I get it, And I think,
but back then, though, it was so hardcore, like what
you're saying, I think that the younger generation would have
a really hard time processing and understanding what transitioning and
what that was like back then, because I because I
mean that sounds that sounds it was.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
My gay mama didn't play with us.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So I think that the people have to give us
grace from coming from a time we paved that road
for them to say, hey, I'm not binary. Because you're
standing up there with no wig, boobs, hairy chests and
a beer talking about girl, I'm trans We're over there like, bitch,
do you know what we fought far?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
And I think also a lot of that comes with
feeling like like it was dangerous, like to not pass
and to not like to look pussy and look fish.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It was, it was. It could be really dangerous for
a lot of people from your time because it's like
very dangerous. Beat the fu up.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
You would get killed because you do not look a
certain way. So I think a lot of it comes
from that experience as well, which I think it's hard
for younger kids to understand.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And because we paved and we knocked those roads down
for it to be less dangerous, yeah, for it to
be less dangerous. So don't get on don't get on
Twitter and start calling me in my back because I'm
still trying to figure out because I'm not saying to you, hey.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
You're not Yeah, I'm just saying I'm having a hard
time processing this.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm accepting your identity, but I'm having a hard time
process and it's because you don't know all the stripes
that I've worn on my back because and being a
black transgender woman.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, the standards that I've taken.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It back to the top of what we talked about
at the show, I can't I couldn't have step my
gay mama.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
My gay mama was so real in the face and
so pussy in the face.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, that we as girls growing up, were compared to
if you don't look like that, you're a man.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, well you know.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
And I think when so Lady Bunnama had a podcast,
we would have like a lot of uh trans girls
of older experience on the show, and this was a
this was a constant thing that we would hear from
different experience, even like you think back to even when
Flame Unrolle got into a lot of a lot of
heat because she said that her pronouns are he shehi
there or.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
He she we and people got really upset.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
They're like, like people were so upset unless she's like
like this is my experience. It's like what I've done,
this is what this is how I live my life.
And and I think that going back to what I
was saying earlier, I saw Flame on her back and
then I was like, oh if she could have boobs
and like it exists, like I can do that too.
So I think she was for me back then. I
was like, that's that was an example example of a

(23:05):
way that or that I could exist this way as well.
Again I didn't obviously, but it was definitely a thought
that I had to right.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, for me, the only time I really saw trans
This was in nineteen ninety two with the Crying Game.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
The Crying Game, I go forward with a girl.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yes, yes, that's the that's the first time I knew
exactly what because I saw Rube prior to that.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, he was dragged. That was dragged. I was like, well, she's.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Getting out of it. Yeah, Like I don't want to
take off the wig and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't crying.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't want to have a mustache and a go
tea anymore. Yeah, I want to be you know. But
I didn't feel like I was just oh my god,
I'm so trapped, trapped me. I just was like, well,
I don't know what it is. But then when I
saw the answer, I was like, oh this it honey.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
And then I met my gay mom, and my gay
mom started taking us out to the straight clubs and
stuff like that. And I would see how the men
would worship the dolls would worship the ground that she
walked through like she was a six foot tall amazon.
Yes that that the face was so pussy uh that
the men like you could see the men gawking, and

(24:08):
then you hear the whispers of that's a man, and
she turns around.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like what are you gay? Love that? Are you gay?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I love that, you know, I think, and I think
that I had a serious a similar experience. Like to me,
that was that those were queens in the club. When
I first started going out in Dragon, New York City,
to see how these dudes were coming out to the club,
these straight dudes were like gawk and worship the queens.
I was like, oh, so I can have these hot
dudes I've been seeing on b et and all this stuff,
that I can have that by just being a dragon.

(24:41):
And I think that was my first that like that,
that was what alured me. That was what made drag
sexy to me. I was like, this is a way
I can have that experience with have these hot dudes,
but just being a dragon, but not being a trans woman, being.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
A drag queen. So I didn't make you mad by
sharing that experience with you, did you? Did it sound
a offensive? It did not sound offensive. But I but
being a new age, a new age.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Queer person, I can see how people who might the
younger kids who might see them feel and be offended.
But I also come from you know, I come from
a tradition of like you know, I'm from I'm in
New York City, gay right, like the Beyoncas and all
these people who are very intense and real and we
don't really sugarcoat. So I that's not that's not, I'm
not you know, sensitive that as.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Long as because you love me, so you're not mad
at me, And I wouldn't want them to be angry
with me, but they just I think that they should
give me grace. Yeah, I think even with me saying
I steal, am not denying your identity. Yeah, I'm just
a little and i want to understand. I want to.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Understand, but I'm still I'm still confused, and I'm trying
to respect it and I still fight for you as
a human being.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, all right, Well I also think we all were
also in this time. Was just people want everyone to
pass these fucking purity tests. Everyone needs to be needs
to be the pope, everyone needs to be so like
everyone like, well God can out here, like we are
all not out here making I use wrong pronouns all
the time.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I make this, I do ship all the time. On
the show called fag Talk.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Which is so fucking good, I say bull dagger, dyke,
sissy pop, faggot, coffee eating bull Dagger Coppet munching Frisco Dike.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like we all step in it, and I we that
is a real.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
That is a real I think that liberals, you know
that we get get into the weeds with ourself. Sometimes
we are making sure like everyone who is age is
a queer supporting whatever, who's forward facing, that they have
to be perfect, they have to be the purest human
beings that have ever walked earth. It's like, no, we
have all been guilty of stepping in it, everyone of them. Well,
that's why, that's why I make the rules on my

(26:46):
own terms. Yeah, you ain't gonna take shit from me.
Anytime I sign a country, I let them know if
there may be a time that I may go nuclear
on your masks, don't press the button.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Don't press it.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Don't press the button, and you'll never get a bomb
dropped on you. You're figure can hover. We're at peace until
you press that button, and then it's it's nuclear war.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And I'm prepared for that. I'm a built bunker now, Monae.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
We've we've danced all over the place like this is
how real energy works. And so I got to get
back into the structure Okay, tell me. So the structure
is I want you to talk your ship for one
minute and tell the people exactly who you are, what
you do, what you're proud of, and I don't want
you to hold back.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Okay, well you know what is.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
My name is Monette Exchange accent over the E, and
I am an international drag superstar. I started doing Dragon
New York City in twenty twelve, and I worked, I scraped,
I was, I was running the candle at both ends,
working an overnight ship from eleven to seven am, sleeping
to day, and doing drag. I did all of it,

(28:08):
and I worked really hard, doing seven shows over five
days in New York City.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I got on RuPaul's Draggers, and.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I have crafted and created this own little space on
the internet that is mine. Bob and I have a
very successful podcast. I hosted my own talk show, The
Exchange at New York City, where I had amazing guests
like Rue, Paul Ts, Madison, Igase, all the Tami, all
these guests on the show. And I love to talk.
I love to I'm miscongeniality. I won RuPaul Dragons, and
I've worked very hard to craft and build his career

(28:34):
and I'm a plan on stoff anytime soon at all.
Any opportunity comes, I will take it as long as
it's the right one.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Now tell me this, what is a turning point or
an experience or a source of inspiration or eureka moment
that shape your path for today?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You know, I think this is and I hate to
give him the credit for this. This is Bob the
drag Queen. And when I was going to my first
season Draggers season ten, and he was at my house.
You know, we're packing on myself, we're getting stuff together,
and he was like, I was like, okay, so when
I go on the show, I think I'm gonna be
He's like, monet stop. He was like, when you go
on that show, I want you to do one thing.
I want you to be you. Don't try to be
anything else. Don't try to access like anything else, because

(29:13):
like who you are is so unique. Who you are
is no one else can be you. And I was like, oh,
that's true. I was like, there are eight billion people
in the world, but there is literally only one money exchange,
Kevin Burton. So do that let that shine through? Wait,
that's yeah, Kevin Burton. Girl White my mother set me
up with some white ass.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Wait, are you related to Tim Burton.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
My first to be as a drag idead girl. But yeah, girl,
and that's just a white man. Kevin Burton, Kevin Burton,
you know what I mean? I like, I don't want
to wrin better. So yeah so, And I think that
is what made me a you know, made a popular
crean on the show, is that I just went on
the show to be exactly me. And that is what
is always going to resonate with people. Don't try to
be the bitch, don't try to be the this be you.

(29:58):
Being you is the unique thing, and that's what's going
to be important. It's gonna make you shine through it.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now you've gotten through all this stuff, you won Roup
paulse drag Race, You've had the mo nigs, change, you
have all this, you had everything, You have everything, and
like Rachel Marrin's sister said, some have nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I want to talk about your villain era. My villain era.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, every outlaw it's labeled a villain and at
some point, often when you're just trying to live your
truth and do your best. Uh huh, Now, your villain
era could be a time you stop people pleasing. A
time you stood up for yourself or maybe made a mistake,
maybe you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe
the world just simply wasn't ready for you.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
What was your villain era and what did you learn
from it?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So I think my one villain erra I had was
when I think twenty nineteen, I got asked to come
on the View to celebrate Megan McCain's birthday. Now, if
you all to know, Meghan mc cann is a very
uh conservative, ultra pissy fucking just just fight white Republican woman.

(31:10):
And they brought Nina West and I on the show
to celebrate her birthday. And you know, at that point
it's one of those things like I was like, first
of all, I love the View. I watched the View
every day, love Whoope, love Joy, love Sonny, love all
of them. Right, So that asked, I was like, of
course I'm going to say, yes, I go on the show.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
And I went.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I went on the show, and we gifted her like
all these things we and Nina West. I didn't say it.
Nina West named her an honorary rutegirl. The fans did
not like that, and it got me. I got, I
was canceled like about about two two months or so.
I got like I lost like a gig or two.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Wait wait wait wait wait Yeah, because because Nina West
called her an honorary rue.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Girl, and I was saying it right next to her.
So they said, oh, y'all called. I was like, we
so now, so now y'all make it speak of French.
We I didn't say nothing. Okay, maybe I'm maybe I'm old.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
But helped me understand why that was the problem.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Because we're making I want an honorary rute girl who
is supporting an administration that is actively against the girl,
against the girl.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
So she's Republican. They're very Republican.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You see how I'm just learning because I would have
said something like, what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
But it's republican publican. But she loves drag queens.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
She loves drag queens. And ain't that the most oxymoronic shit.
It's like a lot of Republicans like the Sun transdid.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Hello drag queen Dick too. I've had my share. Well
here's the gag.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Sure, they don't see any of us any different, only
we subcategorize each other.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, but to them.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
There's two things in this world, baggots and dykes, all
that other ship that we labeled ourselves, and they don't
know anything.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Else, nothing about it. It's a fag and a dike exactly, exactly.
You could be a.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Transdien and non binary dare a goddamn cook in the kitchen,
a lady in the streets. But bitch on on these
pieces of paper, you're a fag.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, and ma'am, you're a die te. So I got.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
They got so mad that we made it on her girl,
and then so they was just it was just like
just I mean, tweets and this and block. It was
crazy for about a month or so.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I mean, I get, you know, I get. I know.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
You see I get into a kerfuffle with them a lot.
Yeah yeah, but you also see they back down. They
do because you don't back down. You you don't play.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I'm on their next.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm on their next because I need to let them
know that I work for me.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, I don't work for you. I don't work for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Ruin is my girlfriend, and she's also my mom. That
is my mother, and I like to sit next to
my mother on her show, which wait to talk about that. Man,
we will, But I like to sit next to my
mother on her show. But I have gigs. Yeah, And
so what you're not gonna do is think you're gonna
have me by my nuts. Yeah, and think that you're
going to say anything to me that I'm gonna not

(33:49):
tear your ass.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I'm not gonna shred you like beef, chicken or pork.
I just have to tread a pork. Last night was
it was good? So good? Do you know you know
where it came from? A whole pig that was shredding.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And that means that I would shred one of those
girls on those people up. And I get in trouble
a lot because you know, well they know they get
in trouble with me because my mouth is I'm gonna kno,
I have a filter. But when i'm in when i'm reading,
everybody gets hit. I don't care if you're black, white, Spanish,
you're gonna get hit. And so when you're reading me,

(34:25):
you're not thinking about your ethnicity. You're not thinking about
your color, you're not thinking about your racial and when
I'm reading your back, I'm not thinking about that either.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
But I just I know what you are so I'm
gonna hit me there. And here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
If I can hit black black motherfuckers and I can
use hard e hard rs on black motherfuckers, and I
can hit white motherfuckers and I can hit hit at
hard or as if I can hit motherfucking god damn
trainees and can hit and call them motherfucker's dudes, and
untuck your nuts when you're talking to me, bitch.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
God, because again, we.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Wouldn't be here it had you not put your hand
over the nuclear button. You wouldn't get nuclear attacked if
you wouldn't press the button.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
And I think, and I think in that situation, what
that taught me was that I don't need to say
yes to everything. And I think at that at that time,
I would say yes if there was an opening of
a fucking envelope. I was making sure I was because
I want to do everything. I don't want a passing
the opportunity because this opportunity would be get this thing.
And it's like, no, I can be more strategic and

(35:35):
more intentional about the things I do in my career
as opposed to just saying yes to everything.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
You're right, And I think that that's something that I
learned too. I'm learning because when I say yes, I'm
going in as ts Madison. That's how that's working. And
I might have asked you as a Republican woman, as
a Republican, miss McCain, you do know that you're not
supposed to like it. I would have challenged her on
the thing the spot on the set. Now we love you,

(36:02):
but I'm going to say, you know, you know, why
are you not checking your husband?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Because her husband is super conservative, he's like something like crazy,
He's like a crazy So do.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You sneak away from your husband and watch Dragon out
of extra on the view? So how did you? How
are you here?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah? Did you sneak away? That's the difference with me, Like,
that's the radical part of me, you know. And I'm
not going to cause problems, but I'm going to ask
a question.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, And you know, I think And the thing about
her too, is that this bitch is that she she
has like a Harvey Milk Award and she's gotten accolades
from glad for her activism. But it's just so contrary
to being a Republican and some of the other legislature
that she supports, especially now that she's off the view
she is. She is on another fucking level. She's doing
some crazy show on her podcast. It's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Really yeah, tell me that. Can I read her?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh my god, her, we can read the dolphins on
him as Megan McCain. Oh, so she's going in that direction.
We'll get to the area of the show were we'll
do that. Just remind her of well, I got you,
just remind me.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Now you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I want to say this as a TS Madison fans
stand adorer lover, when are you going to be a
regular judge in the show. I don't like that we
get you every time, rotating job. I don't want to
don't I don't want to rotating. Well, we are not.
We are not roll rotating around the sun. I want
you every week. I will say this. Maybe maybe because

(37:23):
I'm very nomadic. I'm very sporadic with the way that
I behave Probably that's probably one of the things. It's like,
we we got we love her, but we just get
and but no one is going to have a problem
if they don't press the nuclear button.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's just the way it works with me. No one's
gonna have The only people that I'm never gonna. I'm
never gonna go off on is mother because I love mother.
I respect mother them like mother, that's my mother, Like
rue is my mom her, that's just it. She don't
And listen, I've went nuclear about her. You're sam.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
If you get mad at me, they'll like one morning,
I'm like, you don't care like you never understand. I
love Paul Andre Charles, so yes, talking much.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm always I went nuclear about her.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
So she knows the areas, she sees everything, don't you ever,
don't let mother is just like Beyonce. Mother sees all
shell She's going to see this too, you know. But
it's sometimes you got to think about, like with like
the company that they that they represent, like you know
the MTVS.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Hey, I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I don't give a fuck about that kind of ship.
This and my knees are dark and my elbows are
dark because I worked. I made my first million dollars
off dark knees and dark yeves. And if you haven't
gotten where that comes from, right now, honey, get googling. Googling, honey,

(38:46):
I bought two mansions in my lifetime and this was
pre TV, so let's keep it. It's not I don't
go on to do it with the needing of these
people and allowing them to have like this this uber
control over me where they're gonna censor me with everything
I say. Now I know when to behave and I
know when to be Like, don't press the button, because

(39:07):
if you do, I could be on National TV. And
you press the button, you will know that the Twin
Towers came down because of me. Tell let what Leady
Olea said, Tell Sircy this was me. Would I would
love to be there and love to judge the show

(39:29):
like like Toddrick did. Like Toddrick had a whole season
of judging the show.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
You know I would. I would love to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But but my schedule is busy because I'm always working
because I create opportunities for myself. God God gives me
the breadth, the health, and the strength to create the
opportunities to move and renew.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
The same thing.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I'm all about creating, Like I don't sit at home
waiting for opportunity.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
You can't excuse me. We're bla.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You got to make your own opportunity. Just in case
you didn't notice, we're black. It's real and we don't
have the luxuries of waiting on things to happen, because
they'll oh, well, did you know, And then people will
go about like I saw something where she was fighting
with somebody on Twitter. I'm afraid of her. We'll stay
scared because you might see something else. I'll fight your
ass too, bitch if you if you get it. The

(40:18):
reason why you saw that is because I always The
disclaimer on me is don't press the button.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Button, don't press don't press the button. Don't press the button.
You will never have a problem with me.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
If you don't ever press the button, you'll never melt,
your skin will never come off your bones. I'll never
say anything about your kids. I won't tear your dog up.
I won't talk about your shape. Hell, I won't even
talk about your dead mother, none of this. I won't
talk about your race. I won't talk about your ethnicity.
I won't talk about the food you consume. I won't

(40:51):
do any of that. If you don't press the button,
that's this. It's very simple push. And then everybody is like, well, Madison,
you don't have to go low. I'm a libra. I
believe in balance. Oh I don't believe the whole and
dig we go high. That's why, that's why the country's
fucked up right now, because we are always being we're
always pacifying. What these motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
It was like, No, you got to meet people where
they're they're at. You start to fire in my yard, honey,
I'm brunning your whole neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I'm setting a blame. I'm taking some of the fire.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'm gonna suck it up from my from that you
put in my yard, and I'm gonna thrid and I'm
hitting your children, your dog. I'm going to the great gyard.
I'm taking a shovel. I'm getting your grandmother wherever it hurts.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
We light Nana on fire, your cook your mother sicks
cox inhail and cooked bitch.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, but we I will never go there if you
don't take me there. And I don't respond to every
little thing, But when I have time to go to
scroll through, I'm like, what does.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
She say, Hold on a minute, what would you ever
get someone to run the social media because they would be.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
They wouldn't know, like I've had my assistance and stuff
like that, respond to stuff and they like, where's t S.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Madison?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh really? Because they know it's not you where it's her,
that's not what she gets. But I do need I
do need representation to talk to people. And I always
tell people that deal with me, there's Legra, there's Trent,
and then there's me. Is my manager got it? There's Lego,
there's Trent, then there's me. Okay, when it gets Trend

(42:38):
handles all the stuff. When it gets to Legra, please
have it together because by the time it gets to
meet the button is pushed and they have their hands
up saying please don't push the button, because when you
meet her and talk to her, we need you to
know that this is why you want her, because we
love her just the other. But there's a side to her.
That's the button that's going to see how the disco

(42:58):
ball is melting this way. I don't do it. And
we always tell people, please communicate with Trent, Please communicate
with legor if things escalate to where it's getting it's
where it's getting in you and Trent or tug of War,
talk to Legra because you know, I have you have
to have those levels of people that are going to
handle the situation because when if it's brought to my

(43:21):
desk and there's fire, I'm coming to you with fire,
if it's if it's my desk and i'm and you're
trying to drown me, I'm taking you under. So I
don't want to be that space by the time you
meet me or you get in contact with me. Hey,
so where do I say it? What's going on? The
person that you love, that's who I want you to love.

(43:42):
Don't roul up the person, or don't come with these
things because I don't want to come in the ding
and you're you have disdain.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
For me, you know? And speaking of oh god. This
show is.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Called Outlaws for a reason. An outlaw or pariah in
our culture, it's often someone who ironically has their heart
in the right place, someone with the courage to speak
up and stand out and push back when it matters
the most. Now, the guests on my show The Laws
are some of the voices of our time. They are
rebel hearts who are challenging the status quo and making

(44:23):
the difference. So tell me about a time or a
cause that you care deeply about, and how can others
join the.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
A cause that I care deeply about.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I mean, this is something I think that I think
a lot of us have been way more engaged in
politics in the past couple years because we have all
had to be. And something that I worked really close
with and we're trying to was the Black Black Voters
Matter because I think again, even now we're seeing there's
more fucking legislation, yes, inhibiting.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
People of color.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
And especially black and brown communities, making voting harder for us.
We have to now now with these new real ideas
that you have to get Now, if you don't have it,
by a certain thing, it's going to inhibit you from
from from from voting in the midtermal life.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's like a whole thing.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
So I'm really really really passionate about making sure a
black and brown people can vote and getting out there
to vote. So it's so Black Voters Matter is a really, really,
really great charity. They really are out in the community,
really engaging, working very hard to make sure that we
are getting those those those opportunities and not living in
passes by not letting little deadlines pass away. But you
don't even know are fucking there. Yeah, and then you

(45:36):
look up and you're a month away from going to vote,
You're like, oh, I can, And so it just makes
makes a fucking clutter fucks.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I'm really passionate about.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That, Okay, Okay, And so how do how can others
join the movement? Is there a place today? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
If you go to Black Votersmatter do dot org and
you can go there and you can donate and you
can be on the ground in the streets if you
have time. And I think that's something you know, because
I work a lot too. When I'm here in LA.
I try my best to do little things that I
can be engaged. Right, So I'm not just talking about it.
I'm actually in these streets and doing work to make
it all make to make it all happen.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Okay, Well I'm Black Voters dot org. Yeah, Black Black
Voters Matter dot org. Black Votersmatter dot org. Yeah. So
you live in LA? Are you living? I live in
LA And what was there four years ago? And girl,
I love it? What?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I was in New York.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I was in New York City, So it was it
was the winter of twenty of It was pandemic winter
twenty twenty going into twenty twenty one, and it was
so fucking cold in New York City.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
We had so much snow.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Me and my assistant we were doing a gig for
Truly Hard Seltzer and we were like truly hard Celter
Hard Seltzer.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
They sponsored me for.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Good and I mean and my sister we were carrying
my back to the snow to get to this thing.
And I was like, what am I doing? And I
literally that was January. By by March thirty first, I
was living here in La. I packed up on my shit.
I got a place in LA and I was living
in East Hollywood. Then I just bought a house over
in Way. You're a homeowner to owner, Yes, girl, I

(47:01):
just a two year renovation. Welcome, Welcome to the club.
I love it in the club. I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
So basically what you're saying is you live New York
because it was too cold. So girl, how in the
fuck are we going to be on Traders in Scotland.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Well, you know that's a different story, because I love
a good game, girl, and that game. You know, I'm sorry,
you know, I love my sister Bob, but she went
she would do it too much and they send her
ass home if you and I go on the show,
because she she tweeted about its going on the show.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, And I'm like, do you think that you and
I would be great on traders.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I think we would be so good on traders. I
think we would be so cut. Would you want to
be a trader or or or or a faithful though
I can't deal audience, What do you think I would be?
I feel like you would be a great trader because
you'll be so First of all, you are vicious with
your words. When it comes to the wrong table, you
would gather the fuck out of you for blood for blood.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
But I also be their friend. I love them.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, but and that's and see because see, so that's
gonna be the part where're gonna trick these holes.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
The thing that you were faithful.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
They were like, there's there's no way manage, there's no
it teas because.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Every man I'm with, I'm their only. But I would
love that.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Would you Do you think you would love to do
the challenges and ship like all those crazy things.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, I mean I wouldn't mind, you know, because it
would challenge me to get my fat ass up. It
would challenging to get my bake, my big guests up
and down. And then I would have a time like
it's filming in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Scotland. Yeah, have you believe.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, I've been to to Glousgow, Gloucesg and Edinburgh, and
so you met the Duke of Edinburgh Edinburgh.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I was in August. Let me tell you something, Edinburgh,
Scotland in August.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You're like, oh, it's August, will be nice, bitch like
low forty degrees high third. I was like, this is y'all,
This is y'all summer in August and August, girl and
the house in New York in August in August.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
But I will say that uncut white dick, it's good.
It's good. It's good. Really. I like uncut black penis.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I love uncutting any variety uncutters for me, Oh, they
just pulled this gain and I can smell the cheese exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Who does like the side of cheese?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Girls, Girl, Honey, Wisconsin med.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So you really think that we do good together.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I feel like we'll be good together on Traders. I
feel like we would be great. I think we'd be
great to get on any show show. We would ever
do something like a like a big brother celebrity Big brothers.
They came to me, did they He said no? No,
I didn't say no. I think that what happened with
Big Brothers.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
They were bringing it back in England and they wanted
all the English people.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But that's the one that Tiffany Paula was on that
she yeah, but they were fun. But they were bringing
have they brought the new one back?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
The new one? Yet it was this is like twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
They were well, well, hey, honey, I'm out of my contract.
They were bringing a new one back and they had me.
I did the thing or whatever. But then they told
me that the only reason why they didn't choose me
at the time was because they wanted all English They
wanted the English folks.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
But also you in the house of just you and
a bunch of Brits, and that it would be blood sausage.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Who a spoiled dick. Spoiled dick?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I want to act, you see the Duke of Edinburgh.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I would watch the Oh god anything that I'm always foolish.
That they allow me to be foolish. Is I don't
like the fact. Yes, I'm going to tell you about
things that I don't like. And I'm going to tell
you this And then in a segment of our show
it's called ban it bit. Now, Uh, it's time for

(50:45):
my favorite segment. It's called bandit bitch. Now, some people
out here are banning drag, L B G, t Q
books and even our very existing flipping the script today. Now,
what's something you would band if you ran the world.
Now here's how it work. Okay, we each get one
minute to make our case for what needs to go.

(51:05):
Producers will keep track of time and call out when
there's thirty seconds left, and when there's ten seconds left. Okay,
So let me kick it off to show you how
it's done. Okay, you ready? Hey y'all, my name is T. S. Madison,
And if I ran the world, I.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Would band ship ship so we can ship. I wouldn't
band ship, I would band God, what did I what?
What hold on? Before you said? What did I say?
I was to tell you that I didn't like when
you said what I was saying? I forgot? What was it?
When I said something treat? What is that saying?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I was gonna like just right in here? See how
see how the it's those zenaxes. You take that with alcohol,
they start removing spots on your breath.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
What was it? I forgot?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
My producers, the producers trying to control Okay, got it?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, it's just aducer's trying to control the way that
you operate.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yes, my name is Tis Madison, and I am so
sick and tired of producers trying to overproduce me. Like
there's been times that I've been in movies and films
and televisions and they're like, Madison, can you bring it down?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Why can't I be me? Why are you taking me
away from me?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I want to ban bitches trying to take away bitches power.
My superpower is being loud, live and in color. When
you try to do loot loud, live and in color
with anything else but loud, live and in color, juice, bitch,
you don't get the authentic me. So I want to
ban people who try to take the authenticity away from something.

(52:42):
The reason why we don't have good television anymore is
because they want to ban. They want to dumb down everything.
I want to ban the dumbing down of everything. I'm
so sick of watching television and shows and I'm like,
I know that bitch can go nuclear.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Why did y'all tell her to stop? Bitch? I want
to ban in authenticity. Fuck it, let me be me.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
You I like that in authenticity whatever that word is no.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, but did I create that? No? Is it inauthenticy? Okay?
Whatever I know? In authentic is a word, So in
authenticity is the word.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, Okay, they know what I want to ban ship
sick of it? Okay, So now give it a beat,
give it a thought about what it is that you
want to ban. Like, maybe you want to ban them
splitting winners money.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Okay, maybe you want to ban them sharing a crown.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I think I think, I think, I think I got something.
My name is Mona Exchange, and if I rule the world,
I would ban caramel machiato's. Here's the problem, Okay, Starbucks
is an extremely white woman's sport. You go to a

(54:20):
Starbucks at an airport on the side of your at
the side of your block down thompsonwhere there's a line
in line up about twenty five white women all in
line for a caramel machi fucking otto. We you just
want to I just want to get a nice Americana.
I want to get me a bacon social trap. But
yet I have to wait twenty five to thirty minutes
for these white women to get the kar karma machiado's.

(54:42):
They sit there, they want two extra pumptter Classic. They
want more caramel. You just can't get your fucking wrap
because they're in line for you. Then they crowd around
the little place when you're waiting for them, and you
can't even they call your name. You couldn't even here
because there's a there's an army of white women blocking
you from getting your ship from the counter. So I
need to ban Karma. Machiado's are banding of in America.
We're bending them in Europe, and we're gonna band him

(55:03):
in Hell too. I'm gonna sumf it down there too.
That's my stance of Karma Macchiato's.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Oh my god, what is a machiata? What the fuck
is it?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
My giatou. It's like some caramel coffee drink. It has
all the whip cream on top. They drizzled the caramel
on top of it. White women love Karma Macchiato's girl.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
But it all makes you ship right, it does, so
just drink it. Just drink coffee. It'll make you ship well.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Ladies and gentlemen. We've come to the end of our Listen.
It doesn't even feel like started, but I do feel
like we just started. Is there anything that we covered
that you want to you want to say. I think
we have some great conversation.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I love love.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I learned that you are non binary. I learned that
you wanted boobs and a beard.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I did. I also learned I also learned that you
like uncut penises.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Wait, I have a question, Yes, how do you feel
about open versus monoga's relationships?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I don't like open relationships?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
However, However, however, I am a black transgender woman who
dates black men, and usually they're already in a relationship,
and so therefore I have to you know, I have
to understand that I can't go against the natural order.
The natural order is they like pussy, and so if
they like pussy, I don't have that. But when they

(56:22):
like a girl, I have all they need, which ever
beat a polyamor's relationship. I've been in many of those.
I don't know if they've been in them. I don't
know if they've been in them with me. But you know,
you know, relationship stuff for me is like it's it's

(56:44):
unique because I understre as things that I understand. I
understand that a man can't sit down with a woman
and share all of his life experiences. I understand that
he can't do that. I understand that I can be
a man's safe space. He can come and tell me,
you know when I was fifteen, you know, and I'm
not going to look at him as less of a man.

(57:06):
You know, I cried over the Titanic. You know this happened,
you know, like because these are things that men cannot
go and have a safe space with women.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
They can't do that well, which is the problem. They
should be able to do though well, because their manhood
will be judged.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
They can't talk about the traumas of their past or
their life because the woman is like, well, why are
you crying about it? Why don't you be a man
about it? Or or they're not encouraging them to go
and get therapy. They're they're judging them, like what is
the the arena of being a man? Like a real
man wouldn't do this a real man or this real man.
And so I understand that I'm I can be a
man's safety place. Like the relationship that a gentleman and

(57:47):
I can share with each other. He'll never be able
to share that with the woman that he's with. They'll
never be able to share that they'll never be able
to do that because the woman is always taking that
and weaponizing that. Again, do you know the secrets that
I've held from all the men that I've done, not
just their sexual secrets, but the secrets that they've told me.

(58:07):
Like I remember a guy came and he he was
with me, and he told me that he was raped
by his cousin. I said, have you ever told your
wife that? He said, I could never tell her no,
stuff like that. She could never know that I got fucked.
I didn't want to get fucked, but she could never
know that I got fucked. And I was like, oh,

(58:28):
I said, So this is why you're al this is
why we're close like we are, because you feel safe
enough to tell me the things. You feel safe enough
to tell me that You've seen fifteen girls and you
was like, damn, I wonder how big their dicks are.
You can't say that to no, to this girl or damn,
I like trainees, trainees because blah blah blah. You know
you can't say that you don't have there's no safe

(58:50):
space for you to say that.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Intimacy.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yes, we share a different type of intimacy. So that's
why I'm that's why I've said I've been mini.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Probably they don't know, they don't know, but yeah, the
wise don't know what you know.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, And because he's not cheating on me with her,
go home. You here, don't live that life.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Come here when we when we can be said, but
just don't police that I have other men. Yeah, that's
when we have a problem. Well, I said, this is
when the Outlaws with t S. Madison, honey and money exchanged.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Please make sure you're following Monette on everything, because Monet
is in everything and everywhere.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
And in some of y'all me too. Thank you, O,
my god, that was good. That's great conversation.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yes, but we have more to cover. We do us
to cover.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Outlaws is a production of The Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Created by Tyler Rabinowick and
Olivia Peace. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are executive
produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are
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Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
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Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show
art is by Pablo Montana. Got You Next Week, Honey,