Mo'Nique: Money Can't Rub Your Back

For this episode of Outlaws, TS Madison is joined by the QUEEN of comedy herself, Mo’Nique!

These girls go way back, and Mo’Nique shares a story about her and Madison’s first interview together. The pair talk about their respective journeys to stardom and navigating Hollywood as plus sized girls. Whether your trans or cis, there’s a lot of pressure to change who you are, but Mo’Nique isn’t having it. She reminds us that the public fell in love with THE TS Madison as she is, loud, live, and in COLOR!

Next, Mo’Nique spills about her relationship with her husband Sidney Hicks, and how she fell in love with her best friend. She talks about how this relationship has opened up new ways of seeing herself, and what she deserves– and what we all deserve from love!

And of course, neither our host or our guest today shies away from controversy– sometimes on opposite sides. We get a peak behind the scenes at how TS Madison helped reconcile Mo’Nique and Lee Daniel’s working relationship. And we’re all winning because of it! Could we see more TS Madison-facilitated reunions in the future? Could we see a conversation between Mo’Nique and Oprah? Or Tyler Perry? Mo’Nique and Maddie say the door is open!

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait, no win two inches b b b.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
D b d b b be yourself, get a job,
ricking honey, Rick Hodon, he chasing.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It all.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
He stout living gets color easy. This is Outlaws, but
cheers medicine.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Is it on, Honey?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is it on?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It is this thing recording what's up to the lands
all across the land. This is your girl, t S Medisine.
I'm coming to you, loud living always, I'm ne forever
in color from the Outlaws podcast with who Me t
s Madison Honey.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And it wasn't gonna be.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
No Outlaws podcasts with nobody else because can't nobody do
what I do. I want to let y'all know today,
I'm so excited. I'm not excited. I'm elated. I think
that's a word that one of my college friends told me.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, I'm elated to be sitting here next to Royte.
I've always I always occupy spaces with my sister privately,
but I love when I get on platforms and I'm
able to have conversations with her because she She always
enlightens me. We always love on each other, and she
always leaves with a nugget for the public. And I

(01:37):
ain't gonna take her too much time doing all my
talking because I got to talk with her legend and
put y'all hands together for the legendary iconic money.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hey ah, hey says, this is all of that shit, sister.
We are reunited again in the in public and so good. Hey,
so okay. For those that don't know, when I first
met Maddie, right when I first met you, you were

(02:09):
with sister Kaya, right, and I was on the road
and I was actually doing the play in Nebraska. So
we're trying to set it up so that I can
come home with you, sisters, because I so appreciate it,
the support and the love that y'all were given to me.
When all the black Balls stuff was happening, right, and
I called into the show and their technical difficulties right,

(02:29):
which nobody can control that. Well, our sister Kaya was
through with it. Yeah, okay, she was done with it.
I watched ts Madison be so poised. She never broke,
she never flinched. She was like, I'm so sorry. We're
going to get it together. I'm so sorry, and we
never got it together. It didn't happen. But to watch

(02:51):
you be so professional in that moment and not break
and not lose it, I was so impressed. So when
it came around again for how many years later it
was like four or five, it was a time later,
and Jamaica Carter said, Monique, my friend Ts Madison would
love for you to do a show. I said, that's
the sister that I was. He said yes, So to

(03:12):
reunite with you like that and then to watch your success, no,
to reunite with me like that, and for a reuniting
to happen after that. Listen, you know I am because
sometimes I hear the banter going back and forth with
you and some of the sisters, right, and they have

(03:33):
this some of them have this thing with Maddie don't
support black women. Let me let y'all know something from
a black woman. This sister is an advocate. She's an
advocate for black women, she's an advocate for the trans
in the community. But you got an ally when you
got Ts Madison. It is because of you and your mother,
Miss Merrick, that Lee Daniels and I are back together again,

(03:55):
because when I came on that show and it was
so beautiful. Right because we're talking talking about it, and
she whispers to me, my friend. I said, then you
better tell his ass. She said, I'm gonna get him,
and you stay true to your word.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I did because I felt like, first of all, you
are a person that I've respected far beyond me being
able to even express it to you, Like I've watched you.
I've saw myself in you. You are a plus sized,
beautiful black woman who society has made plus size black

(04:32):
women the.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Other.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yes, there was a time with the other. It's turning
because now to see so many beautiful plus size sisters
doing anything Raven Goodman, to see that baby do her
thing and be unapologetic about being a big woman. It
still has a lot of work to do, but I
can see a shift.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yes, But to see you and to see you thrive
in your television shows, the talk shows, the movies, the things,
and you stand in I'm plus sized and I'm beautiful.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, And don't you ever get a twisted I'm a plate,
I'm a dish that me and come on and they
eat well. You know. I can remember my first agent
meeting in Hollywood, right, and I walked into the office
and this woman had a lot of cats, so I
knew that it could be a little different. Okay, cats everywhere.

(05:29):
Well she's a white woman, Yes she was, and okay,
since you asked, yes she was, because you know black
women be like one or two it okay, okay. So
I went in there and she says to me, that
big sexy thing you're trying to do, it's never gonna work.
So I'm letting you know right now, you'll never be
the star. You'll always be the funny neighbor, the funny cousin,

(05:52):
but you will never be the star. Wait a minute,
I've never heard this before. Yes, yes, that's what she's
And people always say what's her name? And I're gonna
give her name because I know she's heard these interviews, right,
And I'm sitting there and I'm brand new, I'm brand
new to this place. And I looked at her and
I said, you're not the right person for me, but
I thank you for your time. I thank you. So

(06:15):
when the Parkers happened, there was no need for me
to call her and say, see she saw it. When
the success happened, there was no need for me to
say see because she saw it and the reason why
that was a very impactful moment because I had to
make a choice. I had to make a decision. Why
I was sitting right there. Are you gonna buy into
her story? Are you gonna buy into your story? And

(06:36):
I decided to buy into my story. I did not
know that.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yes, see again, these are layers of things that I
experienced as a plus sized black trans woman. You gotta
be skinny, the body shaming that I get. Oh, yes,
it's so this, it's too big, You're just told down.
Then they to figure out why is this handsome man

(07:01):
walking with her holding her hand?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Come on? Why is this girl?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
And I have to remind them before I was this
radio TV and all the person I was big dig
bitch dot com. Now and what you need to understand
is that I bought my first mansion. Come on, from
being lusted and sought after by men. Come on, So
you can't tell me how to look at myself or

(07:29):
image of myself and make me feel bad about being
plus sized, because God blessed me with all that.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And that's why oftentimes we can be looked at as
a problem or problematic because we're not buying into we're
not buying into Well, you gotta act this way and
you got to look this way. And when you buy
into yourself, you've seen your success. You've seen the trans
community say wow, if Maddie can do it, look what
I can do. Now. There were other trans women before you,

(07:57):
but what happens is they get hidden in history because
it wasn't accepted at that time. So we don't know
the women that lost their lives. We don't know the
women they lost their families, they gave everything. So now
when you come and you kicked down the door, not saying,
am I okay? Would you just give me a chance?
You came in and said this is who I am.
And that's it. And that's why it works because there

(08:19):
are people out there in our society looking at people saying, listen,
because you accepted you, I'm gonna be okay with accepting me.
So all that's a big responsibility at the same time, and.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's a heavyweight because you know, then you get into
Hollywood spaces and I know, maybe you can attest to
this a bit. You get into Hollywood spaces and you
get into these places and then you start saying, you
start looking at yourself, because I have looked at myself
on TV, and I've looked at myself.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I said, oh I have I have. Let me just
tell you something right now. So we had a show
this weekend and this guy came up to me and said,
I need to show you this picture of you and I. Baby.
When I tell you, I look like a big fat
marshmallow on that, I'm like, ain't nobody told me nothing.
Ain't nobody said slow down, stop putting nothing in your mouth.
I was like, wow. There are times I look at

(09:10):
the Parkers now and I'm like, wow, I didn't know
because I was in it and nobody was saying nothing,
and the mirror wasn't saying stop it because now you're
a star. Now you're here. But when you look back
at it, it's like, okay, that was slipping into dangerous yes,
And so I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Then I get on the treadmill, or I get I
get to walk in or I do whatever diet, or
I do a little epipine.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh not epip and what them? Shit's called a mandur?
Or what's up? I do something? You better stop it?
You better stop it. He'd be able to reading me
by that because we don't know what's what's gonna be
the payment years from now. We don't know what's going
to be the backfall. We don't know that. And I'll
say this to you because I can. We just gotta
shut our damn mouth. We just got to push the

(10:00):
later way. We just gotta say, I will not eat
after this time. But when we start doing things and
we don't change, if you don't change your mind, all
that stuff is for no good because you'll do it
on Monday, but Friday you're back at a slab of reds.
So it's no good to play with yourself like that.
I can tell you that, stop it. I was gonna

(10:22):
say the choice of words or play with yourself like that? Girl,
stop it.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm comfortable in my skin, cozy with who I am.
But I also I make alterations to myself based off
of what the things I see, not by the pressures, yes,
of what people, because you know people will try to
pressure you. They like even Lizzo, like, you see how
good our sister Lizo looks. It looks amazing, she looks
like super amazing. But they bullied her and they pressed

(11:01):
her and they rolled her, and they even just like,
you know, because they do it to me right, And
I'm like, make sure that when you're doing anything, you're
doing this because this is a this is something that
you see for yourself, kind of like I'm gonna bring
I'm gonna come around to this. When I was younger,

(11:26):
everybody will say, oh, you're not a real transgirl until
you get your dick cut off. You know me, and
you don't talk to about this because that was one
of the first parts of our phone call we had. Yes,
you ain't no real transgirl till you get your dick
cut off. So for a while I wanted to be real.
I wanted to be the things. So I started saving
up money, but I never wanted to get rid of

(11:47):
my meat because I was like, shit, God gave me that,
so I don't want to get rid of that. Now
I can add it to everything else that's God gave
me that. But I'm still trans though, but people have
pressured that on me. And so by the time I
was nineteen, I had saved up for a little couple
of dollars and I was gonna go.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Do the thing. And I had a rendezvous with a
Puerto Rican.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Rickon and this Puerto rican, gentleman, I was holding I
was trying to hide it, like we were getting ready
to be intimate.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
He knew what I was, but I was still like
and he was like, what what you Let it go?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
So I just opened the list and when it fell
out from between the thighs, he said, oh, okay, and
put it up in his hands.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And held it and that, and it was like he
was in the position of worship. Hey, that's what you
call it. I ain't like it, in the position of worships,
in the praise. Yes, let happened. Let it happened.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And he was holding us and he said to me.
I said, I'm gonna be getting it soon. You said,
why why would you do that? Yes, you are beautiful
exactly how you are now.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I was.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I was still in my stages. I wasn't even thinking
about getting the rest of the other stuff done. I
was so concerned because the people were pressuring me. But
who were those people, Well, it was it was other
trans girls, it was women. See, I think that we
get so caught up in other people's opinions. And when
once we get caught up in other people's opinions, you

(13:29):
start living for other people. Then you look in the mirror,
and you're miserable, and you're depressed, and you're suicidal because
all of your decisions were not yours, they were somebody else's.
So you can't get caught and I say this with
no judgment, you can't get caught in other people's opinions
and feelings about you, because you'll leave this earth never
really fully being satisfied because you were so concerned about

(13:52):
what the church said, what your grandmama said, what the
people down the street said, until you say, listen, I'm
gonna walk in me.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And once you walked in you people fell in love
with t S. Madison, Dick and all. And we say
that Dick and all, Oh oh, Monique, this this ain't
that kind of this. This is one of the show. Okay,
we're gonna get We're gonna talk about it because I
ain't heard you use no spicy words. And I'm like, Okay,
we're gonna talk about Dick and I.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Were gonna talk about MANI eating Gucci, Okay, talk about that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
We're gonna talk about Uncle Tina. Let me tell you something.
Do you know I've always I've always had a relationship
with the gay community since I was a little girl
because I saw the way that my uncle Donald got treated,
and I saw the way my uncle Tina got treated,
and I didn't understand the treatment. And then when you

(14:43):
find out, oh they're gay, well I didn't what's wrong
with that? Like as a little girl, I didn't understand
why they were being so ridiculed because of who they were.
So I've always had a connection to the gay community,
the trans community, whatever community you want to call it.
And I think too, that's what becomes a problem because
of all these labels. Oh you gotta fit into a label. Well,

(15:05):
are you a trans with a dick or without a dick?
Are you a transitator? It's too many labels. Instead of
saying you know who I am, I'm mean. And the
personal said that best was niece Nash when she said
her daughter asked her, what do I call you now?
She said, your mother? Oh that's all I am, is
your mother. Like, I'm not buying into well, now I'm
this and now I'm that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm just me.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
This is what I choose, this is what I like.
But I'm just me. You don't give me no label. Wow,
the label means now I can judge you. The label
means now you're well because you're that you can't do this,
And what you're showing is because I am me, I

(15:46):
can do what I want to do. You dag up.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
We're gonna talk about dad, sister. I left that that
Puerto Rican gentleman with a few kids. Okay, you left
them with a baby, But I left there that effort,
and I never thought about having a sex change operation
again until this regime, which we'll get to, this new
regime is gonna That's the only time that the thought

(16:11):
have blew back in my mind, thinking about like, damn,
should I get a sex change now?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But sister, it.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Takes a long time for you to become happy, content
and look at yourself with.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yes. I don't know what that word is. I just
knows you look at yourself. I'm good. Yeah. For people
to come along and just dig and claw and stab
and do this, you have to be strong. What makes
you so strong? I think as a little girl, and

(16:56):
I say this humbly. I always knew I would be here.
I believed it, and nothing was gonna get in a
way of me doing that. Now I don't know if
it was gonna be staying up comedy I thought it
was going to be four figure malot. I thought it
was going to be a radio host. I thought a
lot of things, but all of it was the public.
And as a little girl on my mind, I'm going
to be famous. I want to be like the Jackson Five.

(17:18):
When I walk in the room, I want them to
scream and holler, because when the Jackson five would run
off the plane, they would scream and holler. I saw
Eddie Murphy's Raw and I watched it with that man
sitting right there, and we were nineteen eighteen. We were
very young, right, And I don't know why I'm going
to fill up on it, but he came out on
stage on Raw and I was laying next to him

(17:40):
on the bed and we just best friends, like brother
and sister. And I said, Yo, one day, I'm gonna
walk out on the stage and I want the people
to shout and scream before I say anything. Well, now
we live in that day. And he came to the
show over the weekend and he sat and when I
walked out on stage, I said, humbler, and I'm grateful

(18:01):
the people stood and they screamed my name. So to
look at him and say wow, we're now in this
moment when we were in that moment, but I always
believe that this moment would happen that No, what the
hell Eddie Murphy didn't come. No, I got what I
said to him, Oh your baby was well, he's always there.

(18:22):
We were watching Raw together and again, how long it
has been since Raw came out? And when he walked
out on that stage, the people just screamed and hollered
and clapped, And I said to him, one day, I
want them to do that for me. So this past
weekend he came to the show and that one day
was that night. Yes, so it's you know, it's it's

(18:42):
just knowing now. Was it an easy ride? Hell no.
And I think even once I got there, before sitting
I got together the way that we got together, even
once I got there, when I was at the highest
in my career, I was at the lowest in my life.
I was at the lowest point in my life though

(19:02):
I was at the highest point of my career, because
there was no one around that felt real to me
other than my best friend. And my best friend at
the time had a life of his own. So I
was in a space where I felt like there was
nobody I could turn to. There was nobody I could
look to, because now everybody's banking on you got that money.

(19:24):
You got that money, you got that money. So I
was very unhappy. Disguised it very well, but I was
very unhappy until Sid came into my life as my man.
Oh and he said to me, before we were just

(19:47):
best friends, but now you're my responsibility. And nobody's ever
said you're my responsibility, and that meant I was like, Wow,
You're going to take responsible for me. So the conversations
that we were having, the and it wasn't It was
not easy because he would say things to me that

(20:08):
nobody else said, and it would take me to my knees.
And he introduced me to me by my own words
because it would ask me questions and I would be
so embarrassed. I didn't want to answer it because I'm like,
if I answer the shit now, i'm'a look stupid. Now
i'm'a look, I'm gonna look like I don't know no better.
But he would say, answer it, and I begin to

(20:32):
answer those questions, and in answering those questions, I begin
to fall in love with Monique. Because I was exposing myself.
I was unafraid to say, this is who I am,
that's what I did, that's what I said, this is
how I handled it. And just the conversations that were
back first five to seven years, maybe I was a wildcat, okay,

(20:53):
and couldn't nobody tell me nothing. What you're gonna tell me,
what you're gonna tell me?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
You're beautiful, you dominating, the dominating, the like everybody screaming
your name.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
And none of that mattered. When it was just me
and him in that room, none of that mattered because
he would have to say to me, I'm still the
same guy that we done in a gym bag and
we had to get out money for two cheeseceake subs
and the cheesecake and the potato chips and the soda,
and we still had enough to tip the guy. I'm
still that guy. So all of this doesn't make I'm
proud of you, but it's not swaying how I feel

(21:26):
about you. I love you. This is that's outside. But
my strength began to come with the conversations that we
were having. I had to strip myself down. I had
to strip down to yes when I tell you, I
had to get naked because I had to throw away
all the shit I had been trained with, all the conditioning,

(21:49):
all the things my mother poured into me, all the
things she didn't pour into me. I had to get
naked and be rebuilt. So when I say two women,
that man is raising me some, I was like, oh,
what you mean what? Because he had to come in.
Though I was a famous star, I was still a
little girl. I had to handle my business. I had

(22:10):
to if you act, But personally, there was so much
I did not know. There was so much. I didn't
know how to communicate. I just knew. I watched my
mother and father we mad for three weeks. When we
start talking, we just start talking, but we ain't gonna
fix shit. We ain't gonna talk about it. That's how
I grew up. So that's what I knew. And when
that man came in, baby, he gave me a strength

(22:33):
I didn't even know I was capable of.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So I love the way that you talk about Sydney
because you know and I respect it because there's so
many people that like to scrutinize your relationship. Can you
talk to me about because I hear you say that
y'all were best friends first tell me how that happened,
and then how did it move over?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Tout you cult, you cook, you daddy, baby. Listen, you
know it happened so organically, right, You talking about two
people that were like brother and sister. You talking about
two people that lived together. His bedroom was over My
bedroom was over the top of his bedroom. I saw
his girlfriends, He saw my boyfriends. You talking about people

(23:23):
that when they would walk past his bedroom door, what's
up seeing He didn't appreciate though, he would be like,
what's up? Whoever it was. That's what we were from
tenth grade all the way up until the night of
the b ET Awards after party at my house. I'm
upstairs getting changed, you know, because I gotta go to

(23:44):
the Essence Festival next day, right, and I'm taking my shower.
It was nothing for him to see me naked. We
were roommates, right, It was like we didn't trip off
of that, right. So I'm getting off the shower and
you know, I'm john off and he says, call me
when you get back. I said, okay, just like okay,
And normally he kissed me on my cheek. This time
it was half lipped. It was like here to here,

(24:08):
and it felt. It felt. I was like, Okay, after
how many years? Oh, since tenth grade? You talking about
tenth grade to what year was that? The BT Awards
two thousand and four, two thousand and three. So from
nineteen eighty three to two thousand and three or four,
we were just best friends. We were brother and sister.

(24:30):
We were if his girlfriend did him wrong, I wanted
to fight that bitch. I'm like, I don't play that.
You don't do my brother like that. That's what we were.
And then I remember when I wanted I thought Joe
Lavert was my boyfriend. He never thought I was his girlfriend.
It was in my damn mine. Okay, for all the
listeners here, he was my boyfriend in my mind. Baby.
And I went one time he was on the road,

(24:52):
and I went one time and met him, and I
just I didn't I put myself in groupie status. I
won't say he treated me like a groupie. I put
myself there right, And I didn't like how I was going.
So who did I call? My brother? He said, when
you get back, let's talk. And when I got back

(25:12):
from Essence and that situation, and I went to his
house and he cooked dinner always a great cook. And
from that night to this day, we've not been apart
from that night, and it'll be twenty years next year.

(25:40):
Do you think that y'all always had those feelings? No,
we listen, and that's the crazy part. We were true,
like he was the one I called when I was
messing around on the other husbands. Yo, if they call
you till not if they call you. And then we

(26:02):
went to the penny cake house. Okay, yes, you have
my back. That's who we were. Until you ever been
with somebody and you can trust them with your life,
like you can trust them with your life because he's
honorable and he is. He doesn't prefer this word, but

(26:27):
I don't know any other word to describe him. He's
a king. And he began to treat me like a lady.
He's always treated me good, but he began to show
me how a lady was supposed to be treated. I
remember one time he had to tell me, stop coming
out your door. I got your door. Let me treat
you like a lady. No man has ever opened my
door before, not my father, not my brothers, not my

(26:48):
other husbands. No man has ever done that. So he
was doing things that gave me my lady. I didn't
have to be hard. I didn't have to handle business.
That man right there, y'all, y'all already know he got
me in a way that no other human being has
had me. You know, I always get stunned for words

(27:10):
when I when I hear the way you speak about him,
because you speak about him so honorably. And I see
the way he protects you. I see the way he
sits across from you.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I see the way he he makes sure and listen
when I when we did our first interview together, I
thank you, but I insensively thanked him because you know,
obviously he felt comfortable enough to say, listen, Mama, you
can do that there. Because I feel the intentions of

(27:41):
this person are good intentions, and because I know as
a person, you lean to him and say.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
What you think, what you think. You know, he always
says to me, it's up to you. Let's just talk
about it, but you have the final saying. However, I
trust his say. If he say, Mama, I'm not good
with it, then guess what I'm doing it. If he
say mama, let's rock and roll less rock and roll.
If he say Mama, I don't particularly like that dress,

(28:07):
then I'm not wearing it. If he says, Mama, listen,
because he's a king. And what story have you ever
read with the queen told the king what it was
going to be, the king ran the ship. So and
I say that because so many of our sisters right
now were caught in a different place. Well, what kind
of money he got, Well, if you can't buy might

(28:27):
get my hand nails done. Well he live in one
state and not live in another state. But it's like, listen, y'all,
we are losing. We are losing our relationships because what
we're putting out there is all about the money or
with my success a power couple. But ain't nobody talking
about love. Ain't nobody talking about sticking it out. Ain't
nobody talking about the two of y'all as one. You

(28:49):
become a team. My mother said to me some years ago,
she's no longer here. You make sure you put something
away for a rainy day. I said, if it rains,
we'll get wet together. And then she said, you've given
Sidney all the power. I said, what you see me
giving Sidney as respect something you never gave my father.

(29:09):
So for you, it looks like power, but for me,
it is respect. And when you can look at a
man and say, I know you got me, I don't
need to raise up. I don't need to rise up.
I don't need to be aggressive and abrasive because I
got a king. You know, maybe one day for me

(29:30):
that'll happen. Because I'm the head of household. Well, who
is this?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
That's my bodyguard? Okay, okay, okay, But right now I'm
the head of household. Well, yeah, because you're by yourself,
so there's no one you have to be. But when
that man comes in, when the real man and the
right man comes in, he won't care nothing about you
being Tes Madison outside that house. He'll take care of

(29:54):
you like his woman, like his lady.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
And sometimes our aggression we can be so strong that
now we want to be Ts Madison when the door's closed.
We want to be Niki Parker when the door's closed.
A real cat, don't care nothing about that. And he's
proud of you. But you can't bring that, you can.
I remember one time we first got together, right she's
telling tell all of it. I would say to him,

(30:18):
can you go get me some water? And he's very
kind of course, you know what, I'm hungry cause you're
gonna fix me something. Of course, everything I asked him for,
of course, till one day he asked me. I was like, really, like,
I'm tired? What And he says, so, let me ask
you a question. Do you think that it's okay just

(30:40):
for me to do for you? And when I ask
you for something, you don't do for me? And just
like you're looking at me as how I was looking
at him because I didn't have to answer. I didn't
know how to Huh. So you mean to tell me
you think I'm just supposed to do for you? He said.
Moniics called reciprocity. Nobody's ever taught me that. So it

(31:00):
took me a while for my ego to get out
the way to understand what he was saying. Now, if
he's think him on something, go get it, daddy, because
y'all insynctly right there were right there. I want to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I'd like for you to just take a moment and
rift on because I watch you do it, and you
do it so eloquently, eloquently, in the words of Negro, eloquently, Come.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
On, spell it, yellloquently.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
There was one way you responded to someone and you said,
see what you said was this, Well, maybe if you
had a husband that would yes, do X, Y and Z,
maybe you wouldn't be in certain positions that you're in. Yes,

(31:52):
because I'm going to go in a direction for this.
What I heard was bitch, get up off my nigga
because my motherfucking nigga ain't.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's what I heard. That's what you heard, But you
professionally broke it down to I meant no shade. I
meant no tea. I'm too damn old for that. What
I was saying was if you knock on my door,
I'm gonna let you in. She knocked on my door
because she did an interview with and we're talking about
our sister Tiffany had it. She did an interview with

(32:20):
GQ magazine, and some kind of way, the conversation got
to Monique and she said, I don't have that husband
of hers like she got. Wait a minute, sister, you
rung the bell, you said ding dong, and I said,
come on in and get this pound. Okay, let's talk
about it. Come on here and get a slice of it.
And I didn't say it to be cruel. I said
it to be factual. When you have somebody loving you,

(32:44):
you're not going to get DUIs because that man is
loving you. Was going to say, hey, you've had too much.
You're not driving. That man is loving you. Was going
to say, who whoa whoa wa. What kind of videos
are you making that looks like you could appear to
be grooming a child. It is things that when you
are being loved, you get pulled back from all of
the foolishness, You get pulled back from all of the

(33:04):
the superstarter I'm gonna start. You get pulled back from
that because you're enjoying being loved. So whyever would you
put yourself in a position to sacrifice your life. That's
all I was saying. And again, I love that system,
but I'm going if you ring my bell, I'm gonna
check you, Tyler, Perry, Oprah Winfrey when you ring it. See,

(33:28):
I didn't come to any of you. I make it
my business, Mattie, not to say nothing about nobody's business,
because I don't know their business. But the moment you
get into mind, you've now opened the door.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
There is an art to reading, or an art to
response that you've mastered that I've watched you do over
the years. I've watched you at the Queen, I watch
your Queens of Comedy roast the way you roast people.
But then I've watched the way Monique handles.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Because I've been taught. See, there was a time Nick
would say, bitch, you've got me fucked all the way up.
Come on. My husband said to me, you're a lady.
You don't have to respond like that anymore. So when
I say to sisters, and oftentimes you have some of
us saying, can't nobody teach me nothing, I'm already grown.
That's the problem. Because what you've been taught is the problem.

(34:24):
So when you get a man or a woman to
come into your life and say, let's have some conversation,
let me help you unlearn some things, yes, and that's
when you free yourself. My mother died locked up. My
mother left this earth locked up in her feelings and
her emotions. She died locked up, not protecting her family
because she was too afraid to say it out loud.

(34:46):
My father died locked up, My sister died locked up.
Like I've watched it, I've seen it. So I refuse
from my children to watch me die locked up, watch
me when it's my turn. Damn it. She didn't live.
And you're so profound in the way that you're answering

(35:08):
these we'll just we'll be talking about this. You, as
my sister, have gotten the telephone with me. Yes, yes,
I thank you, You as my sister, have gotten a

(35:28):
telephone me like Maddie tyes bitch back down. Yes, yeah, yeah.
It's a mighty responsibility. And there's a little trans baby
out there right now watching your every move. And every
time you get on a band or going back and
forth with a bitch, you don't know that baby watching

(35:51):
and she starts believing I got a handler like that.
You are in a position right now to you be quiet.
Look at your success, look at what you've been blessed with.
You don't have enough time or energy to sit there
and go back and forth with somebody you don't know.
If I call you up and we call each other
and you like, hey, bitch, what you do? What I

(36:12):
saw you do, I ain't appreciate it. Let's talk about it.
But somebody that you can't put a face to, why
would you waste your time? Yep?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I talk about how my relationship with God is something
that I pride myself in having. Yes, I and I
talk about how God speaks to me and how he
he them, they, she or whatever, God's all of it,
all of it. I talk about the way that God
speaks to me. When God is talking to me, God's

(36:42):
first communicative words to me are bitch, Come on, didn't
I tell you?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
A bitch? Didn't this? And a bitch?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Bitch It's gonna be one of those days. A bitch
is a bitch, be prepared, or brace yourself.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Bit.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
I had put my hands over my ears. You called
me one day and you said, Maddie, I don't know.
I got a message from the universe for you that
told me to call you today. I got a message
from the universe from you, and the universe said, I said, girl,

(37:18):
what the universe told you?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
You said?

Speaker 3 (37:20):
The universe said, bitch. I said, hold on, my nique,
because you know how it response to you.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I said, hold on.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
If I ain't never stopping to listen to nobody, because
you know everybody to me, Oh, God told me to
tell you. No, God ain't say that because God, he
wasn't talking to me like that. When you said the
universe told you to call me that day, and the
first words that came out of your mouth was it said, bitch,
back down.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I knew that came exactly from where you said it
came from, because that's how it would have. But my
hands are over my ears. For everybody else, I want
to hear y'all telling.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Me I'm mad. Yeah, but what does that do? What
does being mad do? Because the person that got you mad,
they don't even know you, and you don't even know them. Well,
one of them bitches knew me well. That bitch had
enough power over you to make you mad about her opinion.
Now that bitch was doing some shit. That bitch had

(38:19):
enough power over you to whatever shit she was doing,
it got to you. And I'm not judging it. Because
I could listen. I can still be like, wait, wait, wait,
what does bitch say? What? What? Okay, let's sen what
we need and my husband will say, hey, Mama, we
gotta go to the grand babies baseball game. You think

(38:40):
we got time for that? Hey mama, listen. So I'm
in the kitchen, kitchen I learned how to bake cookies
out of chickpeas. Yes, okay, I'm learning different things to
take care of my family. What happened? You saw what happened?
Because I'm being loved and I'm loving back. Whyever, what
I want something to interfere with that over some shit

(39:03):
that they have no idea what they're talking about. They'll
see a clip, they'll take a snippet, and they'll make
a whole story. Now we got to entertain I'm not
entertaining that shit. Think what you want to think. What's
important to me is how my family thinks about me.
What do they think? How do they feel?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
So how you deal with the lies and the stories
and all the stuff that people put Because I'm growing
into my story.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You've been a start way longer than me. You know,
one of the biggest entertainers in the world is Tyler Perry.
And Tyler Perry told a lie on me, and that
lie cost me twelve years of my career twelve And
I know that you work for that man. But as
I told you before, and I'm gonna say it again
until he fixes it, I will not stop, because that's

(39:57):
how the monster is created with too afraid what you skied?
Were too fearful that you're gonna take something from me?
So I'm just not gonna say anything. Harvey Weinstein is
where he's in jail. Now, that's been going on for decades,
but everybody said let it go, don't say nothing, which
allowed that man to do more damage to women over
the decades. I as long as I can help it,

(40:19):
I'm saying, Tyler Perry, you will not do this to
another as long as I can help it, because you
told a lie and you feel like you have the
God complex. So I ain't gotta fix it. Either you'll
fix it in life or you'll be dealt with in death.
It's totally up to you. But I'm not going nowhere, Oprah.
I'm not going anywhere until y'all take accountability and fix it.

(40:42):
Y'all messed with my livelihood, which messes with my family.
Never would I do that to anyone, So until they
fix it, I won't back down. Well, let me ask you,
what does fixing it look like to you? You see
what Lee Daniels did. That man walked out on that
stage publicly see you publicly shamed me. You publicly shamed me,

(41:03):
So now you have to publicly fix it. Tyler Perr,
you cost my family millions and millions. And millions of dollars,
and it is a beautiful thing when you tip somebody
three thousand dollars. It's a beautiful thing. When you give
somebody four hundred thousand dollars because the house burnt down.
Those are good deeds. However, you know what you did

(41:24):
to a black woman named Monique. So all of that,
the universe is watching and saying, Okay, we see what
you're trying to do, but you can't fool us. And
I don't believe I'm the only one, of course not.
You don't do that to somebody, and it be your
first time. You don't because you're too comfortable in doing it.
And when you get that God complex, the universe is

(41:45):
watching everything. Fixing it means you apologize publicly, and you
cost my family millions. So it's a it's you want
to well, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I'm just deciphering. You want a public apology and you
want restitution. Yes, and I say that unapologetically. You are
on tape saying what you did to me was wrong.
You were on tape. That's your voice, Tyler Perry. You
called us, We didn't call you. You said what you
did what he did to me was wrong, and he

(42:19):
was going to fix it when his movie Boo came out.
When did Boo come out? Twenty sixteen? We are now
in twenty twenty five, and you've not fixed that. You've
not fixed it, Oprah Winfred. You watched a black woman
be thrown under the bus and you've said nothing as
you spoke about equality. When you were working in Baltimore
at a station called a show called People Are Talking

(42:41):
and Riches Share was making fifty thousand dollars and Oprah
Winfrey was making half of that and she wanted to
know why does he make more money than me?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's not fair. So you've dealt with inequality and to
watch another black woman deal with inequality and you keep quiet.
Now there's two parts to Oprah Winfrey then that I
haven't really spoken about publicly. The other part with Oprah
Winfrey is, yeah, you let me get thrown under the
bus and you said nothing. The other part is you
mess with my family. You messed with my mother, my father.

(43:14):
She called me about my brother right and I said, listen,
everybody can change. He wanted to apologize for molesting me.
She said, Monique, would it be okay that he comes on,
and would you like to come on? I said, I
don't want nothing to do with that cat, but I
don't want to get in the way of his blessing
if he wants, if he's changing, I don't want to
stop that. She never said my mother. She never said

(43:38):
my father. Now I know who my parents were because
they're both gone. I know who they are. I know
my mother's greed, I know my father's greed. And you
did not say that you were going to have my parents,
because had you said you had my mother. Now we
had a conversation and I said to her, me and
my mother are not in a good place. Now. She
said some things to me about her mother and father,

(43:59):
which I'll never repeat because I'm thinking we're having a
sister moment. So I shared some things with her about
my mother sometime in tears and were talking and then
you go put my mother on your show. Yeah we
got a problem. We have a problem. And because it's Hollywood, oh, Monique,
just don't say nothing. That's my mother. And I didn't

(44:20):
want the world to see my mother like that. So
now when I'm in the Walmart, when I'm in the store,
and before y'all say anything. This was Walmart years ago. Yeah, okay,
this was when they had d I still going on yet.
I'm in the store and the elderly women are coming
up to me saying, your mama ain't shit, baby, We're
here for you. That's still my mother. So now I
gotta look at this elderly woman and say, you gotta

(44:41):
be respectful. But she watched that woman sit there and
support the man that molested me. So me and Oprah
Winfrey t s Madison. I thought I was talking to
a sister. I did not know I was talking to
an enemy. I did not know she would take my
story and bring my mother on that show. I did
not know she would have my drunk father on that show.

(45:04):
And my father was getting ready to cuss over when
Free's ass out because the liquor started getting good to him.
So when she said, well, when did you know he
was a monster, my father said what. At that point,
my mother tapped him like, m don't do that because
he'll go off. He'll go off, Yeah, he'll go off,
he'll call the names.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I receive what you just said about that, because we
the first and nobody knows this, but we're having sister
conversation right now. The first time, the first episode we
did hear the podcast was my test episode and I
did it with my mother, and so my mother started
sharing things with me openly about her mother, and it

(45:47):
got very heated in this room.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
And what that let me know was it's unheal trauma there.
We could talk about this, we could talk about this,
but you know what she said when we got her,
and I told them in the creator's room over there
back here, whatever, the producers, we're gonna have to scrap
some of this because my mama is mad and my

(46:14):
mother is angry. But this is some unhealed stuff that's
going on with my mama. But my mama said as
much stuff that went on with her mom, I don't
want the world doing that to my mama. Come on,
and so because I don't want that world doing that
to my mama, I don't want that stuff to air here.
And I respect I respect her for that.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I told our heart that I need to see that
footage before because I don't want that whatever is gonna
hurt my mama or hurt our relationship, I don't want
that out. So I feel you on what you just said,
Like yeah, me, and her said you and over said
in the conversation, y'all shared personal things with each other,
and she talked about her and you right now saying

(47:00):
I'm not even gonna share that shit.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Oh, I talked to you in a sister moment. My
integrity won't let me share it. My integrity won't let
me do that to that woman. Though if I was
a different woman, I would see when you have a
woman named Oprah Winfrey. And let me say this so
I'm clear. I love Oprah Winfrey, and I love her
so much. I want that sister to get them shackles

(47:24):
off of her. That's how much I love her. Because
she also has that God complex. There's a man named
Roosevelt Cartwright that was Roosevelt's right hand man. He was
doing her makeup. Then he was a dog walker. Then
he was just like a friend to her. And he
came on the morning show and begin to do my makeup.
And he said to me one day, he said, Oprah

(47:44):
questioned me about your marriage. I said, what do you mean,
she questioned you about my marriage? She asked me, was
your marriage real? And he said I looked at her
and said, that's the realest shit I've ever seen, and
it would make me question, why are you questioning about
my marriage? Why is that a concern of yours. You
have my number. You can give me a call. And

(48:05):
as I say, Roosevelt, call's write name. That man is
seventy five years old, he said morning. I'm too damn
grown to be scared. Anything I've said to you you
can say publicly because I'm too old for that, Like
I'm too old for that shit. So what happens is
when we see a woman like Oprah winfriend my humble opinion, right,
and we see this billionaire, and we see this woman

(48:26):
that with all this success, and we think that's the
way to go. We're like, oh yeah, I gotta get
my vision board and I gotta do all these things,
and I gotta do this, and I gotta do that.
But you're looking at a woman and my humble opinion
with everything and nothing. I have all the stuff I
can tell you about business, I can tell you about stuff.
What can you tell me about love and being loved?

(48:48):
Now these are her words, not mine. Research it, she said.
One night she put on a lingerie and she stood
at the top of the steps for steed men and
she said. When Stepman walked up the steps, he bust
out laughing and looked at me and said, what are
you doing? Those are her words, and he kept walking.

(49:08):
So before you be concerned about my marriage, take time
about your relationship. So I say these things to say,
what are we following? What are we watching? What are
we saying? This is what I want to do? Because
now you're in your seventies. Now you're in your seventies,
At what point do you say, I want to be loved.

(49:30):
I want to love somebody. So all the money and
all the stuff, Ts Madison, that means absolutely nothing when
there's nobody laying next to you rubbing your back. The
money can't rub your back. The money can't rub your feet.
The money can't talk to you and say you need
to fix your attitude. The money can't say, look at
the grandkids running around the money can't do that. So

(49:53):
what our sister have is money, And what I love
to talk to her? Yes, what I love to talk
to Tyler Perry. Yes, And I've said it before and
I'll say a million times. Let's have a public, open
conversation with my husband and I Oprah Winfrey. Tyler Perry
and she can bring Gail because they're always together. I
respect that relationship. Bring up so we can all have

(50:14):
an open dialogue and hopefully show our community what healing
looks like. Lee Daniels and I showed the community, and
I'll tell you. We were doing the Netflix movie and
one of the sisters at work in Netflix came up
to us and she started crying. She said, y'all don't
know what it means to us. It's the community to
see y'all men this relationship.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Girl, the countless times that I've been stopped and said, bitch,
thank you for putting, thank you for talking to Lee,
thank you and miss Mayor for praying, and thank you
for you know, because y'all have made magic together. Yes,
y'all have made so much magicy girl. You and Hattie
McDaniel are the only two black women to share that

(50:58):
award of my correct.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Oh no, it's quite a few. It's like, is it
ten of us? Now? It's like you a second, right?
It was Jennifer Hudson. And then I think, mate, don't,
I don't. I don't want to get it mixed up.
But you know, I was one of them.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I was someway in there and you wore flowers in
your hair, Yes to honor had at McDaniel.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yes, that lady got her ass whipped, and she got
a ass whooped by the white folks and the black folks.
And that's why I say I can't get caught in
other people's shit. That woman got her ass whipped till
she went to her grave. Do you hear what I'm
saying to you? And she gave everything. She gave everything
to a business that would never give her anything. She

(51:36):
gave everything to her family. She died penniless, she died heartbroken,
and then she couldn't go to the cemetery that she
wanted to be buried at. So I stand the way
I stand because so many before us didn't have the
opportunity to stand. So many black women before me didn't
have a black man standing next to her saying I

(51:56):
will not allow this shit to happen, not on my watch.
You tell me the black women right now, right now,
that whenever she's got a fight, tell me about the
man is standing with her, Tell me about the manager
standing with her, Tell me about the agent standing with her.
I love Toajji, I love Viola. They are my sisters.
But whenever they've had to fight, they buy themselves. They're
fighting a fight, and Viola has a beautiful husband and

(52:19):
for what I don't know what that reason is, but
they're standing there by themselves saying I've been mistreated. I
don't have to stand by myself and for something that
can be problematic.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Every time I get with you, you make such valid
like you make me look at it from a different standpoint, because,
of course we watched all the things that people say
in the media. Of course we watch it, and then
we say, because you and I share such a great
relationship with each other, people always tapping me on my shoulder, Well,
ask your friend about this, And I'm like, no, she's
She's told you how she felt. She's told you this,

(52:54):
especially after that situation that came out with your son. Yes, girl,
do you not know they they were calling my phone? Well,
how you feel about you? I say, she know how
to handle her business?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yes, yes. Why why do I have to because that's
my friend? Why do I have to come over here?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Why do I have to make a statement in an
opinion about it?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And why do my feelings for her as my friend
have to that is she gonna hold her own. Why
do I have to come in now and just have
an opinion, like, because that's a society we're in. And
will people shout as loud when they find out we're healing?

(53:39):
Now people do the shows about Monique and her son
when they find out we've been talking, will people now
shout and say, oh my god, because we thrive on
what we believe to be negative. When it comes to
my son, that's mine. Yep, that is mine all day long.
That is my child. So whatever we go through, that's

(54:00):
that's mine. That's mine. What I will say is I
let my ego get in the way. I will say
that publicly. And I had to take that down because
I had to say, Monique, that is yours baby. He's
thirty four years old, you're fifty seven. You know, better
take it down. So for all the ones asking you

(54:22):
about me and my son, we're healing and I'm grateful
and I prayed for that healing. Please bring them back
to me. Oh so let them call you now, Well,
there it is. There it is, baby, and it don't
need to go any deeper than that. There it is.
That's why I don't get another people's shit, because you

(54:43):
don't know the backstores. You don't know around the corner stores,
you don't know the stories, so you'll just take this
is how he feels. I understand it. I do. But
the bottom line is, and at the end of the day,
that's mine, and y'all better not I say shit about it. Okay, Okay,
y'all bet I say shit, that's mine. That's all. Okay.

(55:05):
I went to the left a little bit, daddy, Okay,
it's all right.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
But I just wanted the people to like, if I
get tired of like all of my friends, like all
of the women, and this is the shit that burns
me up. Which side of y'all on? Do I don't
like black women? Or do I cap for my friends
that are black women? Tell me what side to screech
you hole is gonna be on.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Let them be on the side they want to be on.
You just be good with your side. We don't give
a damn about what side they on. You just be
good with your side. You got too much to do,
You got too much shit, You've got too much and
it's a mighty responsibility to be in your position because
they're watching you. Like I said, that little boy, that
feel like a little girl and it's watching this woman

(55:50):
named t S. Madison and saying, I'm okay, don't teach
him to be messy, don't teach him to be shady,
don't teach him to bullshit. You've got to be strong
enough to say, listen, baby, we've been so blessed. I'm
gonna see the goodness now. If I got to check
a bitch, please hear me, I'll do it. But the
world don't have to know it. The world don't have
to know that. I had to DM and say, hey,

(56:11):
can we talk. That's not the world's business because it
keeps looking like hick on Maddie again, she fighting somebody again.
Maddie got something to say again. No, ma'am, let them
see you on RU Paul Dragways, let them see you
on your podcast, let them see you on the record,
let them see you shine. Don't give them a moment.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I'm gonna take pieces of that, sister, okay, and I'm
gonna apply. I'm gonna patch it on me, my babyess.
I'm gonna take pieces.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
But I tell me a bitch up.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
If I got to I understand, just like even in
this like if you any one of you holds come
take any pieces of any of the things that me
and my sister talk about.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I may claw your eyes. I don't know, because I
love you.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yes, You've been nothing but a great person to me,
even when with the Tyler Perry he went going to
work for Tyler Peris.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I called you, Yes you did, And what did I
tell you? You said, go do your job. Go baby,
don't don't get blocked because my situation. You just know
who you're dealing with. But don't don't block an opportunity.
Because Monique got a situation with you, go do it,
and you're doing a damn good job. You shining.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
You told me that, and because I wanted to make sure,
because he said to me after after he knew that
I was getting the thing, he said, have you talked
to your sister? I said, I'm going to call her
what it was, you know, and tell her before I
even audition.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yes, bitch, I was like, you wanna go over the
lines together because that's your blessing? And what kind of
frime would I be to say, well, I ain't gonna
talk to you no more, maddiecause you work on with
Tyler Perry. No, ma'am, go get that baby, because you
opened the doors up for other transgender women out there, saying,
if she can do it, watch what I can do. Yeah,
you you told me, you breathed in me.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
And because I because I asked you how I after
we got past her, because I was nervous to call
you and be like, because I don't want her to
think that I'm phony, or I'm the two faces or
I'm this. I said, sister, I'm gonna do this audition.
Are you okay with me doing this audition? Because I
don't want to seem like a hypocrite with anybody? And

(58:19):
you was like, bitch, go get your money right, Like,
go do that, Go do that.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
And because my situation with Tyler Perry is not your
situation with Tyler Perry, However, it's all of our situations.
Because when you do one black woman dirty, you do
all black women dirty. And I don't care how much
icing you try to put on that dirty ass cake,
it's still a dirty ass cake. Yep. But you didn't.
You still didn't.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
You still didn't jab him, And it's just like you
didn't do over and I did it with the intentions
that I thought I was not going to get the
part because I thought.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It was so many thoughts in my brain, like I
knew you were going to get that part. There's nobody
else to could have play dagger, nobody you got titties
in the deck, there's no one else that could have fled.
They could have pretended, but you got real. Yeah, you
got real fact. Yes, they're your thing, their mine and
you're killing it.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
And he said, he said that to me, and then
I said, okay. Then once I told him that you
gave me the green light to be like whatever, then
I did you.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
What you don't know is when you gave me the
green light, then I did the audition. You didn't need
a green light from me. But it's important from here
what you what we did with what we have as
a friendship. And you said, hey, bitch, I don't want
you to turn the TV on and see me with
this cat. And you called out a friendship, not out

(59:46):
of approval of you called out a friendship like bitch,
just was get ready, go down, go get that. I
remember jam I'm like James said, listen, we got what
we got. What she's saying because I was happy for you,
as I'm happy for you. A dirty it would have
said don't do that, girl. No, so let's sit here
and be mad at this nigga together. No, but it's no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
But it's important that people know a person's heart. Yes,
Tyler Perry is a big and and and no, shay,
he is a person that I understand. I respect him. Yes,
I've gotten into his work. I just I was said,
oh ship, so I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
But I know you. I didn't know him at the time,
but I know you. So what was more important? And
Tyler stopped running? Now stop the running. Stop running. He's
a runner, he's a track. Stop stop running, Tyler Perry.
I'm right here, baby. Then listen. If you let us
talk to Medea, Madea is real. Madea is a real bitch.

(01:00:49):
So you get out the way and put your dress
on and your wig and your make up and all
the things, and then let's have lunch together. Because Madea
get the ship. Tyler pat is the one that you know.
He thinks a lot of things of himself. But Madea
as the realist bitch in the market. But it was
important that I told you this, yes, because I didn't

(01:01:10):
want you to look up and and and and be
like bitch. That's why we're still together. Yeah, we respect
one another. I respect your opinion, you respect my opinion.
Even if we don't agree, we still respect that. And
if our community could understand. Just because we disagree don't
mean we have to stop loving each other. Yes, just
because you do what you're wearing, I do it my way,

(01:01:32):
don't mean we gotta stop walking together, which brings me
to the final part of our show, which is called
ban it bitch Now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Some people out here are banning drag shows, lbgt Q,
plus books and even our very existence.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
But we're flipping the script.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Flip it now. What's something you would ban if you
ran the world. Here's how it works. We each get
one minute to make our case for what needs to go.
Let me kick it off and show you how it's done.
My name is TS Madison, and if I ran the world,
I would ban having to explain myself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
To why I'm loyal to a lot of my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I don't feel like that I need to explain to
motherfucking you while I'm loyal to people that have been
good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I don't feel like that you need a full run.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Down explanation of, or hold me to the moral police
on why I need to and why I'm not speaking
on it or why because I go through this shit
a lot. I'm a public figure that has a show
where we talk about topics and shit like that, and
a lot of times my friends may come up in
the topic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I don't feel like that I need to motherfucking talk
about them. I want to ban your.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Rule on me having to discuss my friend's business, some
of my friends business. It's just that it's they fucking business,
and I don't have to say anything fucking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So suck my ass, my dick balls and everything in between. Bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
When I don't want to talk about my friends motherfucking business,
I want to bare you holes for putting me on
the spot making me have to talk about my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Fuck you ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Yes, Okay,
I like it. Okay, are they counting me down or something?
Are you ready? So you got?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So you get My name is Monique, and bitch, if
I ran the world, yes, oh, my sister ready, God
damn hey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
My sweet babies, my name is Monique. And if I
ran the world, I would band god damn bonnets slippers
and pajamas out in public. And let me tell you
I'll band that ship. I will band it because I
don't know if you wash your ass or not. I've
got to assume if you clean. I've got to assume
if you brush your teeth. I'm not saying bonnets are bad.
Bonnets are for home. And they not even really got

(01:03:59):
them bonnets. They shower cups. They can make us buy
any damn thing. A bonnet is from little house in
the prairie where they tied it around their damn throats.
But that damn bonnet outside with the whole Halloween costume,
you can wear that only on Halloween Day, the bonnet,
the pajamas and the slippers. And I was so grateful
when the gun of Collogists put a note up on

(01:04:21):
their door you cannot come in here and get checked
if you have on a bonnet, pajamas and slippers, because
I don't know if I'm Ana smeller with a wolf,
or I don't know if the ass is clean. I
don't know what it is. Black women, you are beautiful.
We are supposed to show all of our beauty and
our glory every time we step out our houses. So
think about the little girls coming behind you when you're

(01:04:41):
in the store and your Halloween costume. My name is Monique,
and literally think about the girls behind you, bitch, because
we don't know. If you ask clean with a wolf,
it's unfaire. Oh sister, did you have a good time here, Maddie?
We always have a good time together. Yes, yes, always,

(01:05:02):
it's never in question ever.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
And I just I wanted to make sure that I didn't.
I want this to be comfortable for you. I want
you to stay with this because my floor is always open.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Like listen. The way that you get a good interview
or a good conversation with people, just let them. It's
just having a conversation left and you're wonderful at it.
You're wonderful at it. You are not, so tell me
about that time. So let's talk about You're wonderful. Ladded baby.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
It's just a conversation because you hit me with so
much stuff and I'm like shit. And sometimes if you
really sit down and talk to people, you will find
that you are not as different as you think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Now we're all connected in some kind of way. Yeah,
just like my nurse is connected to mother. Well, I mean, Maddie, listen, Okay,
if that's how you want to close the show, I'm
with the ship. If you want to talk about them
nuts and connected and all of that. That's why you,
my girl, because you ain't never tried to be nothing
but you. I mean, okay, I'm just share this story

(01:06:01):
now and then I know it's so So. Maddie came
over to the house one time, right, Maddie and her mom,
and we were sitting there talking, and we talked for hours, hours,
and I said to Maddie, I said, if I did
not know that you had a dick in between your legs,
I would think I was talking to a woman, because
everything about you is a woman. I'm unapologetic about what

(01:06:22):
I'm saying. Everything about you is that of a woman.
That's how I feel about my uncle Tina. Everything about
her as a man. She wears drawers with their calls,
she does.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
She wears.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
If you see her, you would think you were looking
at a guy. You would not know that that was
a woman. So keep walking in what you're supposed to
walk in unapologetically because it's working. Thank you, sister. And
we I'm gonna come over there. You're gonna roll me
up one of those little sticks that you had over there.
Well now, okay, now, see and listen. It's for me.
I'm for God. Okay, I'm for God and God on earth. Yes,

(01:07:00):
it's from the Jesus. That's from the Jesus. It's from
the Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
And Miss Mary was sitting over there looking at looking
at us, and she said, yeah, she was looking at us.
She said, boom. You know he got to drive home.
I said, MoMA, this ain't gonna hurt. Just skim get
a little bit of that Bonique passed over there to me.
You over there were chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
But now I don't do that. I try not to
do this as much because I'm getting older and my
lungs can't take it. So I the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
It's on the earth at the boss. Girl, listen, I've
been drinking it. You can drink it that girl, I'm
gonna see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I will listen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
The next time my coming over there to the place,
I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna bring you a bottle
of it. It's just it's from nowadays. They got one.
It has five five milligrans of TC. And then when
I got ten milligans of TAC girl, I was over
the drinking that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Now I still ain't got my profile. So sometime, you're
gonna bring me nothing. I still ain't got my everything.
I've not gotten when I come to the house, I'm
bringing you both. Okay, sister, Yes, I was drinking. That
ship had a run de vous later on that night.
You want to tell me something, girl, I'm in there dushing,
getting it ready, getting the producing ready. Hide in the

(01:08:07):
gall of the gas during the Bush administration, bitch sitting
over there looking at the water running like wait a
minute now, okay, the water running. So I was supposed
to be doing something us. Oh yeah, I'm and then
took you out of here. I'm over here, y'all. Up
in here, we donna started having a sexual relations. I'm
over here talking. I don't even like this person like that.

(01:08:28):
I'm telling her why you doing? Why did you fucking
me like that? Okay, So, ladies and gentlemen, about the
we have now gone straight to the gutter. So we're
talking to all the gun of people. If you appreciate
the gunn of ship we're saying right now, we're talking
to you. We're talking to you, but the gunn of
ship is the real ship. That's right. Okay, then like

(01:08:51):
this before, come on, this is what I'm saying. He
thought you was, He thought y'all was together. He say
you because they knew his position. He said you okay,
I said, I'm different that cat tail. It was that
cat tell. I was so free, yes and loose. And

(01:09:14):
the next day I was like, oh my god, what
I said? What did I say? What did I do?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Ever s was Wright and me said you love me?
I said, no, that's one of those drinks though, you
gotta have by yourself or what your man. Man, that's
not something that everybody's privileged to, right. I learned that
you did new tricks with that drink. He didn't deserve
that well, probably because I needed that. Sometimes he just
needs to push the drag one a good one or
two good times. You know, I'm not grand nothing. Now

(01:09:42):
I'm talking about oh you are you listen, I'm my babies. Yes,
it's talking about her pussy. I don't say nothing, but
mind this is her pussy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Okay, all right, you got to make sure shit is clear.
That's why I was okay, That's why I was sitting
over there with the water like her and the water
ain't coming clear and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Running, and that's what you get. But you got to
find you a permanent You want that for me? I do?
I really do you think it has changed me? My need? No,
your personality will be your personality. But all that shit
fighting you, you'd be like, girl, I ain't got time.
I'm going home to my man. I ain't got time

(01:10:22):
for that. I'm going home to my man. I got time. Yeah,
it will, it will because you're gonna put all your
energy into that relationship. So I'm an exing universe for
a permanent. Well you okay, now, now, okay, when you
get it, behave yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I got to cut all that ego stuff out. Oh
you think I got a lot of ego money? Tell mitrue,
you my sister, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I think that in the business we're in sometimes we
have to have it. Sometimes you have to have it,
you have to believe it. You've got to say it
out loud, and some people call it arrogance and all
those things, but you gotta You've got to say it
to you. So I think sometime ego is good. I
really do, not all the time in certain situations, but
there are times you got to say no, I believe

(01:11:08):
in me, Yes, I believe in me. Not I'm the shit,
I just believe it. No, I'm the shit. You got
to say that because that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
No, sister, you have to say that because a motherfucker
would try to tell you. You know this from experience,
how much? How when you got on when you went
on the breakfast club and you custom holes down and
you told her you ran your accolades down, and everybody's, oh,
she's right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
They went to googling, Oh shit's this is accurate? Yeah? Yeah,
And you said I want my money. That's all. That's all.
People were judging me from their stick and I didn't
take it personal because I understood it. They were judging
me from their resume. You can't judge me from your resume.

(01:11:57):
You gotta judge me from mine. And they're too differ
diferent things. And I say that with humility. You can't
judge me from yours. So when people were saying, is
she crazy five hundred thousand dollars, it's like, but your
resume says that's what you should accept. Yours says that.
Now mine down't that's all. That's all. See what I've

(01:12:18):
gathered from this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Looking at you and your and your beautiful face and eyes.
Say that, shiit, bitch, but say that in a way,
not in a not in a slice them up, dice
them up where you can slice them up and dice
them up with queens.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
We're ladies. We have to represent that. That's all because
you know, I tell a bitch now behind closed doors,
me and you're on the phone, I'm like, bit bit, okay, bitch,
but that's me and you. That's me and you in
our private time on the phone. The world don't need
to see that because we're ladies. So someone try to
get better. But that's okay. All we can do is try.

(01:12:58):
I'm not saying one hundred percent because if you catch
me on the right day, match okay, and then I'd
be like, oh shit, Well that's it's the Baltimore. That's listen.
We left Baltimore, but Baltimore never leave baby. That's why
Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey. I can't. We can't let
you all off the hook. We cannot. We're gonna close
the show now, and I'm gonna give a special message

(01:13:20):
to my brother and my sister, oprahen Tala anytime you're ready,
ts Madison and open up this platform for us to
come on and we can sit here and have a
beautiful conversation. That's all we love, y'all, Amen, good night,
good night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Come created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Ts Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Crychitch and our producer are

(01:14:00):
Joey pat and Common Bra. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just Crine. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merrit.
Our show art is by Pablo Montinina. Catch you next week, Honey,