June 3, 2025 • 44 mins
TS Madison is kicking off Pride Month with real talk and revelations in this special episode with none other than Representative Jasmine Crockett. Maddie has questions and SHE WANTS ANSWERS! And as seemingly one of the only Dems raising their voice, the Congresswoman from Texas is here to guide us.
We all know that Maddie doesn’t sugarcoat it, and neither does Representative Crockett – she’s always gonna give it to you plain. They talk about the haters, the hypocrites, and the healing we all need. And another thing – how did we get to this “oops” moment, where people are surprised by what’s going down? The "Find Out Phase" is in full effect, but we also get into how we can fix things and the question on everyone's minds: "Will we be okay?" Rep. Crockett gives us the hope we need. It's about to be Losing Season for the Haters!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait, no win went two inches b b b
b d bed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bum yourself, get a job ricking honey, ricks.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Chasing it all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
About living gets colored easy. This is Outlaws with TS Medicine.
Hey y'all, this is T. S. Madison coming to you
loudlive and in color Honey from the Outlaws podcast with
me T. S. Madison. Today is a little bit different.
We were shifting gears here, We're not really doing uh like, uh, Well,
(00:57):
she's she's a celebrity. She's a celebrity. She's she's a celebrity.
Congresswoman who I am. I'm so excited to have on
the show today. I'm very interested to know where we're
going as a country, how we're moving around as a country.
(01:18):
And being that I'm trans and I represent a lot
of different layers of identity, black, trans, film, fat, you know,
I I want to talk to someone who represents me
in Congress and so jas mc crockett has been very
(01:43):
big on social media, more more visible than most congress
people usually are. You know, you usually hear about people
in Congress, you hear about people in to say that
you hear about people in the you know, in the house,
in the government, and you don't see them. You see
them on a ballot, and you see them on a ticket,
(02:05):
and then you see the pictures around in a yard
or whatever, but you don't really normally really see them.
We've seen her over and over and over again, and
she's been very vocal about her stance against Donald Trump.
I've found it to be very hopeful, and I've also
(02:29):
found it to be very scary because I'm I'm afraid
for her, Like it's like it's dangerous to be a
black woman, loud, living in color as she is and
being very vigilant on her stance against Trump, against Doge,
against you know, all the things that are going on
in the political system right now. And this episode is
(02:52):
coming out in Pride season, and I can have a
booking in Texas, in Texas, and I am afraid to
set foot in Texas, and she's a representative from Texas,
and so I'm just really afraid to set foot in Texas.
With they're really trying to criminalize being transgender in Texas.
(03:14):
They're trying to make it a law against being a
transgender person in Texas, and so it is crazy to
me the focus that this regime, for lack of a
better term, this regime has placed on making trans people
public enemy numoto uno. And I'm afraid for miss Crockett
(03:42):
almost as equally as I championed her. And I championed
her a lot, like I share everything that she posts.
I share it, I get under into comments, and I
really don't really get in people's comments because I'm not
that type of girl, and I don't go in people's comments.
I just share my thoughts on my own platform. I
(04:05):
go under her comments. I engage, you know what I'm saying.
I share. I share with people, with my friends and family,
you know, And I share in the space of that
this person gives us hope. It gives me hope, It
gives us, it gives us a reason to still believe
(04:25):
in democracy because currently, right now, currently I've lost faith
in democracy. I felt like after the election, the hope
for everything, just like the air, I felt like someone
(04:46):
that punched me in the stomach or somebody punched me,
and like the air, just like it just left my
lungs because I was like, how in the world did
we arrive to such a space to where where people
really got out in the streets, got got in their cars,
(05:07):
drove up to the voting bowl and voted for Donald
Trump and not just voted for him, voted for him
with the knowing, the full knowing that this man stood
for inequality injustices, hate, transphobia, homophobia, xenophobia, islamophobia, you can
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fucking think of. This person was running on it. This
person was running on that. And it's just like, how
did nobody see that?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How did no And I remember one of my uh
which I'm gonna talk to Mss Crokett about. I remember
one of my posts, I said, where are the Democrats?
Where are the diplocrats? Where did they go? Like? Are
y'all really like, are y'all really going to sit up here?
(06:09):
And the system is breaking all types of laws, they're
breaking all types of constitutional laws. They're going against the Constitution.
And so the constitution is from what I was taught
in school. By the way, they're dismantling the Department of Education.
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I was taught that the Constitution was there to protect
the people. But you know, I'm black, so I don't
really think that the Constitution was ever ever, really honestly
if we've really been if we're really being technical, I
don't think that the Constitution was ever really designed to
protect anything outside of people that were white, you know,
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or or are, because it was definitely not built with
the people of color in mind. But there's been so
many amendments to the Constitution that have supposedly helped people
of color, like the Civil Rights Act, you know, which
the Trump administration so casually has our is challenging. I'm
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going to get clarification on that, like how much can
they do? So I'm gonna get a little clarification on that.
When I'm talking to missus Crockett, I'm just like every
other transgender American citizen. I'm lost and afraid and I
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don't know. You know, you ask someone. Hopefully today I
can get maybe one or two answers fixed that, right,
I get maybe one or two answers, hell, I'd be happy.
I'd be happy for just one answer, like one answer,
I'd be happy for that. If I can get two
(08:06):
questions answered with some with a hopeful answer, I'd say
we're making some kind of progress. Three questions, yikes, Oh hollydio,
y'all glory be to they have a living God. But
I'd like to know where do we stand? What are
we gonna do? I'd like to know that ladies and
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gentlemen will be joined with missus Crockett in just a moment.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Queen, It's all good, It's all good. The country cannot wait.
The country cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, okay, and I and this is why I wanted
to come here.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Why don't you have to be so fine? Like again,
I was coming up and looking like who did it?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And what day over? And you over here doing like this.
You know, Yes, Representative Jasmine Cockett, it is an honor
to sit here and communicate with you today. I'm going
to jump right into because I know you got you
got a lunch break, and you got stuff to do. Yes,
I want to thank you. I just want to open
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my throat and say me, yeah, I'm a little something
I'm missing. I want to say thank you for what
you're doing. When I inbox you, I wanted you to
know that it was important for me to let you
know as a as a black trans woman in fact
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and loud. I want you to know thank you. I
really truly want you to know. I know you you
hear it a lot, and you see people saying this,
thank you so much a lot, But I truly, truly
will load my car with a whole bunch of my
girls and we would tell some ship up, all right,
(10:06):
we would test some ship up. I thank you for
the strength and the perseverance and the and the the
the ability not to back down in in the face
of any adversity that's going on right now. And I
want and you, I meant what I said about you
being protected at all costs. The hardest thing to be
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in this country. What people don't really understand. It's black.
But then to add black woman, black sim black trends,
black visibility on top of anything. It's just and you're
doing the work for all those intersections of it. And
(10:51):
again we thank you. I'm here sitting with you now.
I know that you don't have a lot of time,
but I want to talk to you about where we
are as a country. Where do you? Where are we?
I'm so afraid as a black trans woman, I'm so afraid.
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Like and I know you're from Texas, and I know
you know the things that are going on in Texas
right now, the way the way that they're trying to
criminalize transgender people, like what is going on.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Uh So, first of all, it's an honor to be
here with you. And you know, I like to say
they hate you because they can't be you. So every
little hate that they feel your way, my way, it
is because they know that they see how beautiful we
are inside and out, and we walk in that greatness
every single day and there is nothing that they can
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do that will diminish us or make us feel less
than even though that's what they want us to believe
we are. So let me just say thank you for
living your true ruth because that really takes courage. And
the sad part is that it should never be courageous
to be who you are. That should just be what
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is the norm, right and the region. The reason I
say is courageous is because you know that the attacks
are coming, Like you listed it off right, like you
started with the blackness that you were born into, like that,
that is a situation being trans right, like that is
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a situation. It's a situation for attack in this country,
and it's coming from the people that we have elected
to protect us, the people that have been entrusted to
protect us. And the idea that you know when people
get all riled up about anybody.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right that is not old, white, male, and rich.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Anytime they get very riled up, I just think about
and I wonder what did the struggles look like back
in the day when we had not enjoyed things such
as the passing of the Civil Rights Act, when we
did not enjoy some of the freedoms, where we acknowledged
things like Jim Crow was wrong. And I think about
(13:13):
the fact that when they justified not treating us as
a whole person, when they justified us being somebody else's property,
when they justified you know, separate but equal, and not
allowing us to learn together, not allowing us to eat
in the same places or drink out of the same facilities.
(13:35):
When I think about those things, I think about the
fact that they justified it number one through the Bible. Yeah,
And then I think about the fact that they also
had this justification as if we were different, as if
we didn't all belied the same and we weren't the same.
And so as the attacks seem new, they really are
(13:57):
tired and old, and we've been through them before. And
I can recognize the hate no matter if we're talking
about in the fifties or if we're talking about in
twenty twenty five, and so with me, I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We've persevered past them.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
We have still been able to accomplish so much despite them,
And I truly believe that as we walk into this
next season, this losing season for the haters, I think
that we will again be able to transgress and show
that we are great, we are normal, we are actually,
if anything, we got super powers as far as I'm concerned.
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So it is easier in my opinion to do what's
right every single day that I go in and serve
and do right for everyone, because at the end of
the day, I know that there was a time and
a place and if they could, they would throw me
back in chains. Yeah, somehow those that came before us
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managed to break loose of the physical chains, even though
we still have a bunch of systemic chains that we
are still kind of wrangling with.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Where where did we go wrong? But where do we
go wrong?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think we got comfortable.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think that we've heard from so many of our
fore mothers and forefathers that every generation has its own
fight as relates to freedom, and freedom is never truly won.
I think even when you look at you know Robi Wade.
That was a fifty year fight, right. And the thing is,
like the hate has never gone away. It may have
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gone underground, or as I said in the speech that
I gave it Hulu, is that Jim Crow never died.
He just lied in wait, right, So like, it's not
that it's ever gone away. But if we haven't seen
it being so overt and in our faces, we get comfortable,
and that's when it's ugly head starts to rear and
(15:58):
reveal itself. And that's what we're dealing with now, is
that everybody thought, oh, we're smooth sailing. I ain't got
to pay attention to elections. It don't matter who it
is it's in office. It's all gonna be the same.
If I'm broke, I'm gonna stay broken. If I'm rich,
I'm gonna stay rich. And you know whatever, life will
continue to go on. And now we are in the
find out phase.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, we done already f't around now we were definitely
finding out.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
So recently I seen Donald Trump openly try to attack
your intelligence when he's like the most unintelligent person on
the on the planet. How do you maneuver outside of
(16:48):
of like when you come home and you unwind, and
then you know that you have all this visibility on
you and and and you got the world watching. And
how do you like unwind from that? Like? Because it
has to be awful because I read it. I mean, girl,
I'm in your comment section. I share everything that you
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every time you are at at a at a hearing.
I share everything you post. I share your lives. I
share everything because I know that this is the way
that we reach people. You know, we have to share it.
So I share it. But I also follow you because
I want to, Like I say to myself, like I
wonder what. I wonder how she's doing, like after this,
I wonder how she's feeling on the inside after this,
(17:34):
and how does this make her feel? Like that like
stupid men, stupid women, even even men of your own
color and women from your own color send ignorant shit
like or she's Ghatto, or she needs to she needs to,
you know, learn how to speak, or or she's you know,
coming from your own Like how do you decompress from that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So, first of all, I definitely like no shade in nobody,
but like, I'm not taking advice from people that have
never walked the day in my shoes. Like that's just
the reality, right, Like it's easy to sit on the
sidelines or for most of them to sit behind a
computer and be in this space of ambiguity and to
have all of the answers.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But until you have.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Lived my life, I'm really not checking for you. That's
just to be perfectly honest. Like these people that have
these very strong opinions, and again, knowing history, I know
that there were always black people that were on the
wrong side of history. Yeah, I know that if certain
black people were in charge, we would still be in
the physical chains. So you know, people that have a
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certain mentality, I just let them have their mentality. But
mine is one of freedom. And when I say freedom,
it is freedom to be who I am and who
God made me, holy and fully, and you can't challenge
me overall because I know I got the credential, as
everybody knows, I always got receipts. My credentials not only
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come with my actual education, but they also come in
the form of my actual experiences. And so you know,
I don't trip about any of that. I'm gonna be
perfectly honest. If anything, it makes me sad for them.
It doesn't make me sad.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
For me at all.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I also do though, you know, dealing with Trump. Trump
likes to dog whistle. Yeah, so essentially what he's done
is tried to put a target on my back. But
again understanding that I only got to become the fifty
fifth black woman ever elected to Congress because of the
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sacrifices that people were willing to make.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Number one, I pray that God keeps me covered. Number two,
I keep my head on swoovel. Number three, I am
licensed to carry. And number four, we do a lot
to make sure that I've got the amount of protection
that I can that I can get and afford because
as a member of Congress, I'm not just given kind
of a team of law enforcement officers. And so I'm
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thankful for the cities and the counties that work with
Capitol Police, and as the level of threats is increased,
they make sure that I'm covered when I show up.
I had to go to Mississippi to do a graduation,
and it's Mississippi, a place where I'm sure there's more
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hate than love for me overall in this state, and
law enforcement made sure that nobody who had ill intentions
could get anywhere near me.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But at the end of the day, I know the
blood that runs through my veins.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
If I am going to really do more than just
kind of sit in a seat, but that I am
going to make sure that I have a seat at
the table, make sure that when I'm at the table,
I'm pulling up other chairs for others to come behind me.
It may involve a level of sacrifice. I sacrifice a
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lot of my personal life and have to think about
every movement that I make and whether or not I
can go out, if I can go somewhere, who I
go with here as a private room, if I can
get somebody to make sure that they are watching me
at the time. It is a lot, but I think
that it's absolutely worth it, knowing that people died just
(21:34):
so I could be here. But Donald Trump dropping the
name of someone who literally is only just now entering
her second term in Congress kind of tells you who's
trying to get on whose level? Right Like he can
president of the United States. And I can guarantee you
if I somehow was sitting in the White House, I
(21:55):
wouldn't be worried about no random nobody young person that
is in the House. But the reality is that he
knows that my message is effective. He knows that the
things that I'm saying are true, and he knows that
he can't just fake media met fake news me. He
knows that people even who aren't Democrats, listen to what
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I have to say because number one, I make it plaining.
Number Two, I always make sure I back up my
information and challenge somebody to to find that what I
am giving them is false. And that is what is
most threatening to him is because he's been used to
Democrats that have kept their heads down.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, and he did the work.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But I do the work while also talking my talk
and walking my walk.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So I want to speak to that when you said
the he's used to the Democrats that have that have
kept their head down. Currently right now, I I know
that I was right after the election, Miss Jasmine. I
felt like that they punched me in the in the
freaking stomach, Like I sat on my platform and everywhere
(23:15):
that anybody could see me, and I was Kamala. Kamala
comes and I broke down Project twenty twenty five and
I just I just kept and it was like even
the people girl I can get so emotional right now,
(23:35):
even the people around me. I was like, girl, what
is this man saying that that has you in the
choke hold?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What is he saying? Clearly? It is because this is
a woman. Clearly, The problem is because this is a woman,
and not just she is a black woman. Clearly, because
you can't be sitting around here picking apart everything that
she he's not saying and then ignoring the shit that
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he's saying. He's he's literally telling you what he's going
to do, and y'all love it, but but he don't
mean it like that, Like, well, well, how do you
feel now?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
That It's interesting because everybody was clear about what was
in his head and now they're sitting there looking like oops,
now they just decided to give him a pass for everything.
I mean, one of the things that comes to mind
is that I talk about the fact that you know
he denounced projects, Well, he didn't denounce Projects twenty twenty five.
He distanced himself from like, oh I never heard of it,
(24:39):
and this and that, and I'm like, yeah, but everybody
around you like wrote project twenty twenty five. I pointed
out in a hearing that his name was mentioned over
three hundred times in Project twenty twenty five that the
people like the person that is over budget right now
is one of the authors of a chapter of Project
twenty twenty five. He has numerous people in his administration
(25:01):
that are Project between twenty five authors, and you're telling
me you know nothing about it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But one thing he did do is he told.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
People about these tariffs and his crazy ideas about tariff. Now,
he did campaign on tariffs. Now, I don't think he
understood how they work. I still don't think he understands
how they work. But something about tariffs really gets him going.
And so he campaigned on that, and people heard him
say that, and they still never responded.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Now, one of the reasons that his approval ratings are
so low is because of the tariffs.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm like, but he told y'all that, like, like a
lot of this stuff he lied through with Steve, but
he at least told you about the tariffs, and y'all
wouldn't take two minutes to try to understand what we
were trying to tell you is that, no, it's not
other countries that are going to pay this.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
It is going to be you that is going to
pay this. And people refuse to listen to us. So
you know, it's one of those things that I'm trying
to get through to. You know, so many on my
side and say, you know what, it's about how we communicate,
because I feel like we are not trusted messengers. And
for whatever reason, they trusted the biggest known con man ever, right,
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they trusted him so it didn't matter what he said
because they believed in his heart, regardless of his policies,
regardless of his words, they believed in his heart. Right,
And so I think it is important that we build rapports,
especially in the black community. Right, Like black community has
gotten so tired of every time it's election time. That's
(26:34):
when we show up to all the churches. That's when
we want to come to the barbershop, That's when we
want to have a conversation instead of continuously engaging in
communication and letting people know like this is what I'm
doing for you, and this is why what he hadnt
done is going to mess you up. Like it has
to be a continuous relationship. It's kind of like that
dude that want to come around every once in a
(26:54):
while and he want to call you a like midnight,
like wow, we haven't talked in months, like, do not
be blowing me up?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, and where I think you're trying to take me out?
You in town joy Enjoy, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So I want to speak to I want to speak
to because you said earlier about the Democrats that this
seemed complacent me as a as a black American, a
black transgender American citizen, it does seem like the Democrats
have been very complacent in this whole thing. And my
(27:33):
thing is when you ask, because I get on my
platform and I said, where are the Democrats? We're are
the Democrats, We're are the Democrats? And then we see
you instantly. But you can't do it all by yourself. Yeah,
do you fill alone?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
There are times for various reasons, though, But I will
tell you that I think that there's a lot of
different responses to Trump. I think there are those that
are like, I've been through Trump one point oh, so
they basically were expecting two point oh to be kind
of like what they already had been through, and two
point oh is like next level is like supercharge ridiculousness, right,
(28:17):
So I think that some people got caught off because
they were like, oh wait a minute, this isn't Trump
one point, oh, like he has like flipped the script.
So I think you've got that bucket of people. I
think you have other people that were like, surely, like
the backstops that were built into the foundation of our country,
Surely the backstops are gonna hold. And then it's like, well,
(28:38):
it seems like the damn is breaking right, Like, you know,
you get the court orders and you're starting to win
in court and you're trying to basically let checks and
balances work. And then it's like he basically is like
to hell with the courts, to heal with your orders.
So now they're like, well, crap, like because there are
those that were like, we have an answer for this, right,
(28:59):
and so now they're like starting to get their stride.
So I think that there's waves of people and they
are coming online. I think that for the average American
watching as soon as he started cutting off money, him and.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Elon and we like, wait a minute, what happened?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Like everybody like, well everybody should be you know, jumping
at it, and others are like, oh, you know, the
courts will take care.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Of it, or oh, we've been through one point. Oh,
and then you got people like me.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
It is like, bro, this is not normal, like and
it is time for us to do our part whatever
we can, even though we're in the minorities. So you know,
we're starting to see members that are doing more town
halls in other people's districts. I was talking to some
members about that, about seeing what we can do to
amplify that they actually are doing this work, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because it don't seem like it. It don't seem like no,
it doesn't seem like anybody is doing anything except you,
Like you're very, very vocal. And I watched this stuff
was going on because I have to watch, not only
just because I'm Trey as Girl's that's even though that
is the top of the list. My mother is my
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mother gets social Security, my mother is disabled. Yeah I
have money, but why do I need to try to
go make an extra ten thousand dollars for medication and
she's already paid money in you know, for working, like
she's my mother's sixty sixty three? Like like what is
over here? Like what is going on? Like what the
(30:24):
freak is going on? Like how are we how are
we gonna? Like it is nobody paying this thing any attention?
Like how this affects everybody. And like you said, Elon
is not an elected official. Why is this gentleman over
here in this place governing over things? And he's not.
(30:47):
He's not even a citizen.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
He is England Moore here. He likes some of these
people that they're trying to send him power.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
So he's an immigrant.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He oh, he's absolutely an immigrant. So why are Salvadora Well,
you know, there we go. Yeah, and the federal government
constantly giving him money, but they complain in them. But anyway,
that's a whole other issue. But I will say this,
I think that you know, first of all, let me
just say thank you for how you use your platform,
because I do think it's important because I think that
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there are people that you can reach that I could
never reach, because there are so many people that literally
again it goes back to the report people that don't
trust politicians. And what I try to tell people nowadays,
and I think they're starting to understand it, is that
you may not be politically engaged, but you absolutely are
politically impacted. Yes, that's the reality, Like even if it's
not you directly, right, Like everybody got a mama, everybody
(31:43):
got a deity, an untie, a granny, a somebody right,
somebody that you love and care about who is currently
receiving Medicaid or social Security benefits or you're hoping that
one day your social security benefits are going to be there,
and so it is important to pay attention, or if
you are, you know, trying to deal with childcare, which
is very expensive, like understanding that head start is something
(32:06):
that they have decided that they wanted to gut, or
looking at the fact that you know, we all have
people or at least I know people that you know
use mills on wheels, right, and that they are looking
at losing theirs, or that people only get six dollars
a day to eat from snapingefits and right now they're
talking about cutting two hundred and twenty billion dollars worth
of snap inefits to people when you can't even buy,
(32:29):
you know, twelve eggs for six dollars.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
So what is the dollars a day to eat?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
If anything, you should be putting more money into it
instead of lists. Especially as these tariffs start to hit,
they're going to only further increase the amount that this
food costs. And even if you say, well, I don't
know nobody on snap because I'm you know, living a
high life and I only roll with certain people. Let
me tell you something. I am somebody that practice criminal
defense work. And there are those that believe that the
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only people that can make crimes are criminals. And my
experience is that there are people that are put into
are in desperate situations that have them do criminal things,
but they are not necessarily criminals. There is a difference, right,
And so every time we can look, it doesn't matter
where you look in this country or even another country
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where you have higher levels of poverty, there tends to
be higher incidences of crime because you do have some
people that are literally just trying to survive. So whether
it's committing thefts so that they can eat, or committing
thefts so they can take care of their children, or
whatever it is, there is a survival instinct that kicks in.
(33:35):
And so even if you don't care about nobody else,
I'm sure you care about yourself and your community and
whether or not you know, you have higher incidences of crime.
So this is really just smart legislation. It's not about
you know, being a Democrat or a Republican. And even
when we look at you know, I fight really hard
for those that are on SNAP, and if it's because
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I just think it's the right thing to do, I
think it's the truly Christian thing to do, especially when
we're talking about pennies.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But at the same time, it's Rule America that uses
more SNAP benefits than Urban America.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
At It's not us, it's Rule America.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
So, like I oftentimes tell my colleagues that I'm fighting
harder for your constituents than you are, Like it's a
shame that you're the person that's supposed to be their
voice when you literally are trying to take food out
of their mouths. And I also tell people in this
final point I'll make about this, is that this is
all an ecosystem, right. I was given a speech the
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other week and I said that one of my favorite
songs is I Need you to survive. And if people
understood that we need each other to survive, then maybe
they would have a different attitude about how they go
about this. The reality is that those farmers may not
end up surviving once you pull that money out, because
(34:58):
just because you pull that money out don't mean to
somebody going to automatically go and replace the two hundred
and twenty billion dollars that was in that ecosystem to
make sure that you were making money. So I just,
you know, I hope that we're not going through this
hell for everybody to come out and not have learned
any lessons or educated themselves on why it is so
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important to understand that we're a global economy and why
it's also so important to understand that we need to
take care of the least of us a lot more
than we take care of the one percenters.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
At the top. That's what the books say. There's two
things I want to do with you, sister. I want
to I want to do I want to ask this
question because it's I feel like I really want to know.
Are we ever going to recover from this? Mmmm?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
You're asking me to play miss Kleo right now. I
can't tell you that I know the answer to that.
What I can tell you is that specifically black people
know how to survive and ultimately thrive, and so I
truly believe, because we've never gotten out just doing this country,
(36:11):
that black people will definitely make it out on the
other side, all right, But it is hard to assess
how much damage has already taken place. It's one of
the reasons that I decided to intentionally stay on the
Oversight Committee because I understood the importance of doing oversight
in this moment, and you know, as we are potentially
(36:31):
about to go through a transition on oversight, you know,
I really want to dig into the weeds. I want
to make sure that we're sending out subpoenas. I want
to conduct investigations. I want to do shadow hearings so
that we can really dig in and find out what
y'all have y'all done and how bad is it. I
can tell you that I don't think that we could
recover in one four year term, So I can't afford
(36:53):
for people to get upset, even if we get a Democrat,
you know, the next go around, for them to say, well,
I didn't get it everything fixed in four years. They
tore it down in the first hundred days, so surely
you can fix it in you know, four years.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I can't say that.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know, my mom is someone who most likely is
about to enter her retirement phase because of kind of
all the crazy that is happening. She's been with the
federal government for almost forty years. Like you can't just
go and replace that type of experience and institutional knowledge,
and we are losing that at all of our agencies.
And even if those people are sunsetting and they're about
(37:30):
to leave the agencies, there's always kind of been a handoff, right,
It's like bringing the new, but they're being trained up
by the olds, yes, and so I don't know. They've
been reckless, they've been ignorant, and I have an incompetence,
so I have no idea how much harm. But until
we can start to dig in, and I don't know
how many true answers we're going to get ultimately, until
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we get them.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Out, I have no idea, no idea.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's scary. It is, that is very scary. I want
to thank you for fighting for us, even through through
all of the fear and everything is just like us,
the only way, the only way over is through, So
we just got to go through it. Now, the last
(38:17):
section of our show, it's called ban It Bitch. Now
this segment of our show, I have to say is
some people are out here banning drag shows, LBGTQ, books
and even our very existence. But we're flipping the script.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world.
Here's how it works. We each get one minute to
(38:39):
make our case for what needs to go. Producers will
keep track of time and call out when they're thirty
seconds and ten seconds left. Let me kick it off
and show you how it works. All right, you ready, tyler.
My name is Tims Madison, honey, and if I rule
the world, I would ban people who don't pay attention
(39:00):
to the details. I am so sick of people not
paying attention to the details and then having all of
these major complaints, Honey, when the platter is served to
them exactly how it was written it it was going
to be ordered. I think that people who don't read
the fine print and complain about everything that they got
(39:21):
are the people that have caused this country to be
in the turmoil that it's in now. Those that don't
read the fine print and those that don't pay attention
to the big print ahead of them. I want to
ban people who just are not paying attention. And I
want to ban people who are selfishly walking on this planet,
(39:45):
are working off of privilege, and have caused every other
person who were paying attention to the small print and
the big print of harm because they just don't care
because it doesn't depect them. I want to ban every bitch.
Don't pay attention. You are band in the United States
(40:05):
of America, and that's my time. I yield. Okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Is it my turn?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes? All right?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So this is representative Crockett.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
And if there was one thing that I could ban
if I ran the world, it would be races, hateful.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Hypocrites. All right, So let me get into it.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
First of all, the races are the ones when we
look at the numbers, absolutely are committing most of our
violent our most violent crimes. They are coming not from
quote unquote Black Lives Matter, They are not coming from immigrants.
They are actually coming from white supremacy groups. There are
numbers and data to back me up. When we look
(40:50):
at things like what happened in Buffalo to black folk
just trying to go and shop for their groceries. When
we look at what happened in El Paso when they
decided to shoot up folks right there at the border
at the walmart, when we look at what happened to
church goers that we're simply trying to praise the Lord
in South Carolina, or when we look at those tiki
torch hold in Hos. Racists have always been what has
(41:13):
ruined our country. When we look at when our country
does best is when we respect everybody and we say
out of people's business, our diversity is truly our strength.
We end up with better numbers for corporations and we
end up with better environments as it relates to everybody's
mental health.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And so when you want to talk about if you
want to.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Fix something, just take the hate out and honestly, you
can say that racist is synonymous for hate. And I'm
gonna say that they're hypocrites because at the same time
that they hate our diversity, they get mad when Kendrick
goes and does the Super Bowl and says, where is
the diversity?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So don't be hypocrites at the end of.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
The day, and that's the lady's time, Queen, thank you
so much for being with me. Thank you, Thank you
so much to see you, Thank you so much for
hitting me up.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yes I had to I miss but when I see
you next, I'm gonna be Listen, I'm gonna be half
as fine. I ain't gonna be the You're gonna.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Be fine because listen, when we're gonna were probably gonna
slide you know we're gonna listen even if we slide
in private and I have my my mother, my peoples,
bop and crawl, pour you together and we go out
and see Beyonce. Girl. I want to come see Beyonce
and and you need to.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I need to figure out her to see if I
can catch on one of the cities. Whe where you
live between d C, Dallas and the air So so
you so you so you live.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Between DC and and Texas. Yes, so maybe I want
to catch her in Texas because I want to experience her.
So you know I'm on Cozy. You know I'm on
that song Cozy. That's me on that saying I'm dog
brown dog like age Flo restent, beage, bitch, I'm black.
That's me. I do not know, but so that's me
(43:07):
doing it. So usually she brings me out like she'll
bring me like what she was on on the Renaissance
to what she brought me out, well, not out on
the show, but she brought me to watch the show
in Atlanta. I want to tell them I want to
experience it. Ticks.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yes, Well, I'm hav to keep you posting. I'm gonna go. Look,
I'm gonna see na be aware.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, and then we see we can and we can
line up like that. Yes, okay, I'm gonna get box you. Okay,
all right, thank you, I love you and thank you
so much, Thank you absolutely. Out Clause is a production
of The Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
Created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece. I'm your host
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Tis Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya
Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising producer is Jessica Crimechi
and our producers are Joy pat and car Bon. Our
video editor is Tyler Rebino Wits and our sound editor
is Just Crinchic. Our associate producer is Trent high Tower
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Special thanks to our producer's assistant, Daniel Rebino Wiz. Our
theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show art
is by Pablo Montanina. Got You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait, no win went two inches b b b
b d bed.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bum yourself, get a job ricking honey, ricks.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Chasing it all.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
About living gets colored easy. This is Outlaws with TS Medicine.
Hey y'all, this is T. S. Madison coming to you
loudlive and in color Honey from the Outlaws podcast with
me T. S. Madison. Today is a little bit different.
We were shifting gears here, We're not really doing uh like, uh, Well,
(00:57):
she's she's a celebrity. She's a celebrity. She's she's a celebrity.
Congresswoman who I am. I'm so excited to have on
the show today. I'm very interested to know where we're
going as a country, how we're moving around as a country.
(01:18):
And being that I'm trans and I represent a lot
of different layers of identity, black, trans, film, fat, you know,
I I want to talk to someone who represents me
in Congress and so jas mc crockett has been very
(01:43):
big on social media, more more visible than most congress
people usually are. You know, you usually hear about people
in Congress, you hear about people in to say that
you hear about people in the you know, in the house,
in the government, and you don't see them. You see
them on a ballot, and you see them on a ticket,
(02:05):
and then you see the pictures around in a yard
or whatever, but you don't really normally really see them.
We've seen her over and over and over again, and
she's been very vocal about her stance against Donald Trump.
I've found it to be very hopeful, and I've also
(02:29):
found it to be very scary because I'm I'm afraid
for her, Like it's like it's dangerous to be a
black woman, loud, living in color as she is and
being very vigilant on her stance against Trump, against Doge,
against you know, all the things that are going on
in the political system right now. And this episode is
(02:52):
coming out in Pride season, and I can have a
booking in Texas, in Texas, and I am afraid to
set foot in Texas, and she's a representative from Texas,
and so I'm just really afraid to set foot in Texas.
With they're really trying to criminalize being transgender in Texas.
(03:14):
They're trying to make it a law against being a
transgender person in Texas, and so it is crazy to
me the focus that this regime, for lack of a
better term, this regime has placed on making trans people
public enemy numoto uno. And I'm afraid for miss Crockett
(03:42):
almost as equally as I championed her. And I championed
her a lot, like I share everything that she posts.
I share it, I get under into comments, and I
really don't really get in people's comments because I'm not
that type of girl, and I don't go in people's comments.
I just share my thoughts on my own platform. I
(04:05):
go under her comments. I engage, you know what I'm saying.
I share. I share with people, with my friends and family,
you know, And I share in the space of that
this person gives us hope. It gives me hope, It
gives us, it gives us a reason to still believe
(04:25):
in democracy because currently, right now, currently I've lost faith
in democracy. I felt like after the election, the hope
for everything, just like the air, I felt like someone
(04:46):
that punched me in the stomach or somebody punched me,
and like the air, just like it just left my
lungs because I was like, how in the world did
we arrive to such a space to where where people
really got out in the streets, got got in their cars,
(05:07):
drove up to the voting bowl and voted for Donald
Trump and not just voted for him, voted for him
with the knowing, the full knowing that this man stood
for inequality injustices, hate, transphobia, homophobia, xenophobia, islamophobia, you can
(05:36):
fucking think of. This person was running on it. This
person was running on that. And it's just like, how
did nobody see that?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How did no And I remember one of my uh
which I'm gonna talk to Mss Crokett about. I remember
one of my posts, I said, where are the Democrats?
Where are the diplocrats? Where did they go? Like? Are
y'all really like, are y'all really going to sit up here?
(06:09):
And the system is breaking all types of laws, they're
breaking all types of constitutional laws. They're going against the Constitution.
And so the constitution is from what I was taught
in school. By the way, they're dismantling the Department of Education.
(06:30):
I was taught that the Constitution was there to protect
the people. But you know, I'm black, so I don't
really think that the Constitution was ever ever, really honestly
if we've really been if we're really being technical, I
don't think that the Constitution was ever really designed to
protect anything outside of people that were white, you know,
(06:51):
or or are, because it was definitely not built with
the people of color in mind. But there's been so
many amendments to the Constitution that have supposedly helped people
of color, like the Civil Rights Act, you know, which
the Trump administration so casually has our is challenging. I'm
(07:15):
going to get clarification on that, like how much can
they do? So I'm gonna get a little clarification on that.
When I'm talking to missus Crockett, I'm just like every
other transgender American citizen. I'm lost and afraid and I
(07:45):
don't know. You know, you ask someone. Hopefully today I
can get maybe one or two answers fixed that, right,
I get maybe one or two answers, hell, I'd be happy.
I'd be happy for just one answer, like one answer,
I'd be happy for that. If I can get two
(08:06):
questions answered with some with a hopeful answer, I'd say
we're making some kind of progress. Three questions, yikes, Oh hollydio,
y'all glory be to they have a living God. But
I'd like to know where do we stand? What are
we gonna do? I'd like to know that ladies and
(08:27):
gentlemen will be joined with missus Crockett in just a moment.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Queen, It's all good, It's all good. The country cannot wait.
The country cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hey, okay, and I and this is why I wanted
to come here.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Why don't you have to be so fine? Like again,
I was coming up and looking like who did it?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And what day over? And you over here doing like this.
You know, Yes, Representative Jasmine Cockett, it is an honor
to sit here and communicate with you today. I'm going
to jump right into because I know you got you
got a lunch break, and you got stuff to do. Yes,
I want to thank you. I just want to open
(09:24):
my throat and say me, yeah, I'm a little something
I'm missing. I want to say thank you for what
you're doing. When I inbox you, I wanted you to
know that it was important for me to let you
know as a as a black trans woman in fact
(09:45):
and loud. I want you to know thank you. I
really truly want you to know. I know you you
hear it a lot, and you see people saying this,
thank you so much a lot, But I truly, truly
will load my car with a whole bunch of my
girls and we would tell some ship up, all right,
(10:06):
we would test some ship up. I thank you for
the strength and the perseverance and the and the the
the ability not to back down in in the face
of any adversity that's going on right now. And I
want and you, I meant what I said about you
being protected at all costs. The hardest thing to be
(10:30):
in this country. What people don't really understand. It's black.
But then to add black woman, black sim black trends,
black visibility on top of anything. It's just and you're
doing the work for all those intersections of it. And
(10:51):
again we thank you. I'm here sitting with you now.
I know that you don't have a lot of time,
but I want to talk to you about where we
are as a country. Where do you? Where are we?
I'm so afraid as a black trans woman, I'm so afraid.
(11:12):
Like and I know you're from Texas, and I know
you know the things that are going on in Texas
right now, the way the way that they're trying to
criminalize transgender people, like what is going on.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Uh So, first of all, it's an honor to be
here with you. And you know, I like to say
they hate you because they can't be you. So every
little hate that they feel your way, my way, it
is because they know that they see how beautiful we
are inside and out, and we walk in that greatness
every single day and there is nothing that they can
(11:48):
do that will diminish us or make us feel less
than even though that's what they want us to believe
we are. So let me just say thank you for
living your true ruth because that really takes courage. And
the sad part is that it should never be courageous
to be who you are. That should just be what
(12:10):
is the norm, right and the region. The reason I
say is courageous is because you know that the attacks
are coming, Like you listed it off right, like you
started with the blackness that you were born into, like that,
that is a situation being trans right, like that is
(12:31):
a situation. It's a situation for attack in this country,
and it's coming from the people that we have elected
to protect us, the people that have been entrusted to
protect us. And the idea that you know when people
get all riled up about anybody.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right that is not old, white, male, and rich.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Anytime they get very riled up, I just think about
and I wonder what did the struggles look like back
in the day when we had not enjoyed things such
as the passing of the Civil Rights Act, when we
did not enjoy some of the freedoms, where we acknowledged
things like Jim Crow was wrong. And I think about
(13:13):
the fact that when they justified not treating us as
a whole person, when they justified us being somebody else's property,
when they justified you know, separate but equal, and not
allowing us to learn together, not allowing us to eat
in the same places or drink out of the same facilities.
(13:35):
When I think about those things, I think about the
fact that they justified it number one through the Bible. Yeah,
And then I think about the fact that they also
had this justification as if we were different, as if
we didn't all belied the same and we weren't the same.
And so as the attacks seem new, they really are
(13:57):
tired and old, and we've been through them before. And
I can recognize the hate no matter if we're talking
about in the fifties or if we're talking about in
twenty twenty five, and so with me, I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We've persevered past them.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
We have still been able to accomplish so much despite them,
And I truly believe that as we walk into this
next season, this losing season for the haters, I think
that we will again be able to transgress and show
that we are great, we are normal, we are actually,
if anything, we got super powers as far as I'm concerned.
(14:36):
So it is easier in my opinion to do what's
right every single day that I go in and serve
and do right for everyone, because at the end of
the day, I know that there was a time and
a place and if they could, they would throw me
back in chains. Yeah, somehow those that came before us
(14:58):
managed to break loose of the physical chains, even though
we still have a bunch of systemic chains that we
are still kind of wrangling with.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Where where did we go wrong? But where do we
go wrong?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think we got comfortable.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think that we've heard from so many of our
fore mothers and forefathers that every generation has its own
fight as relates to freedom, and freedom is never truly won.
I think even when you look at you know Robi Wade.
That was a fifty year fight, right. And the thing is,
like the hate has never gone away. It may have
(15:37):
gone underground, or as I said in the speech that
I gave it Hulu, is that Jim Crow never died.
He just lied in wait, right, So like, it's not
that it's ever gone away. But if we haven't seen
it being so overt and in our faces, we get comfortable,
and that's when it's ugly head starts to rear and
(15:58):
reveal itself. And that's what we're dealing with now, is
that everybody thought, oh, we're smooth sailing. I ain't got
to pay attention to elections. It don't matter who it
is it's in office. It's all gonna be the same.
If I'm broke, I'm gonna stay broken. If I'm rich,
I'm gonna stay rich. And you know whatever, life will
continue to go on. And now we are in the
find out phase.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, we done already f't around now we were definitely
finding out.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
So recently I seen Donald Trump openly try to attack
your intelligence when he's like the most unintelligent person on
the on the planet. How do you maneuver outside of
(16:48):
of like when you come home and you unwind, and
then you know that you have all this visibility on
you and and and you got the world watching. And
how do you like unwind from that? Like? Because it
has to be awful because I read it. I mean, girl,
I'm in your comment section. I share everything that you
(17:11):
every time you are at at a at a hearing.
I share everything you post. I share your lives. I
share everything because I know that this is the way
that we reach people. You know, we have to share it.
So I share it. But I also follow you because
I want to, Like I say to myself, like I
wonder what. I wonder how she's doing, like after this,
I wonder how she's feeling on the inside after this,
(17:34):
and how does this make her feel? Like that like
stupid men, stupid women, even even men of your own
color and women from your own color send ignorant shit
like or she's Ghatto, or she needs to she needs to,
you know, learn how to speak, or or she's you know,
coming from your own Like how do you decompress from that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So, first of all, I definitely like no shade in nobody,
but like, I'm not taking advice from people that have
never walked the day in my shoes. Like that's just
the reality, right, Like it's easy to sit on the
sidelines or for most of them to sit behind a
computer and be in this space of ambiguity and to
have all of the answers.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But until you have.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Lived my life, I'm really not checking for you. That's
just to be perfectly honest. Like these people that have
these very strong opinions, and again, knowing history, I know
that there were always black people that were on the
wrong side of history. Yeah, I know that if certain
black people were in charge, we would still be in
the physical chains. So you know, people that have a
(18:43):
certain mentality, I just let them have their mentality. But
mine is one of freedom. And when I say freedom,
it is freedom to be who I am and who
God made me, holy and fully, and you can't challenge
me overall because I know I got the credential, as
everybody knows, I always got receipts. My credentials not only
(19:04):
come with my actual education, but they also come in
the form of my actual experiences. And so you know,
I don't trip about any of that. I'm gonna be
perfectly honest. If anything, it makes me sad for them.
It doesn't make me sad.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
For me at all.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I also do though, you know, dealing with Trump. Trump
likes to dog whistle. Yeah, so essentially what he's done
is tried to put a target on my back. But
again understanding that I only got to become the fifty
fifth black woman ever elected to Congress because of the
(19:44):
sacrifices that people were willing to make.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Number one, I pray that God keeps me covered. Number two,
I keep my head on swoovel. Number three, I am
licensed to carry. And number four, we do a lot
to make sure that I've got the amount of protection
that I can that I can get and afford because
as a member of Congress, I'm not just given kind
of a team of law enforcement officers. And so I'm
(20:12):
thankful for the cities and the counties that work with
Capitol Police, and as the level of threats is increased,
they make sure that I'm covered when I show up.
I had to go to Mississippi to do a graduation,
and it's Mississippi, a place where I'm sure there's more
(20:33):
hate than love for me overall in this state, and
law enforcement made sure that nobody who had ill intentions
could get anywhere near me.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But at the end of the day, I know the
blood that runs through my veins.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
If I am going to really do more than just
kind of sit in a seat, but that I am
going to make sure that I have a seat at
the table, make sure that when I'm at the table,
I'm pulling up other chairs for others to come behind me.
It may involve a level of sacrifice. I sacrifice a
(21:12):
lot of my personal life and have to think about
every movement that I make and whether or not I
can go out, if I can go somewhere, who I
go with here as a private room, if I can
get somebody to make sure that they are watching me
at the time. It is a lot, but I think
that it's absolutely worth it, knowing that people died just
(21:34):
so I could be here. But Donald Trump dropping the
name of someone who literally is only just now entering
her second term in Congress kind of tells you who's
trying to get on whose level? Right Like he can
president of the United States. And I can guarantee you
if I somehow was sitting in the White House, I
(21:55):
wouldn't be worried about no random nobody young person that
is in the House. But the reality is that he
knows that my message is effective. He knows that the
things that I'm saying are true, and he knows that
he can't just fake media met fake news me. He
knows that people even who aren't Democrats, listen to what
(22:16):
I have to say because number one, I make it plaining.
Number Two, I always make sure I back up my
information and challenge somebody to to find that what I
am giving them is false. And that is what is
most threatening to him is because he's been used to
Democrats that have kept their heads down.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, and he did the work.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But I do the work while also talking my talk
and walking my walk.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So I want to speak to that when you said
the he's used to the Democrats that have that have
kept their head down. Currently right now, I I know
that I was right after the election, Miss Jasmine. I
felt like that they punched me in the in the
freaking stomach, Like I sat on my platform and everywhere
(23:15):
that anybody could see me, and I was Kamala. Kamala
comes and I broke down Project twenty twenty five and
I just I just kept and it was like even
the people girl I can get so emotional right now,
(23:35):
even the people around me. I was like, girl, what
is this man saying that that has you in the
choke hold?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What is he saying? Clearly? It is because this is
a woman. Clearly, The problem is because this is a woman,
and not just she is a black woman. Clearly, because
you can't be sitting around here picking apart everything that
she he's not saying and then ignoring the shit that
(24:04):
he's saying. He's he's literally telling you what he's going
to do, and y'all love it, but but he don't
mean it like that, Like, well, well, how do you
feel now?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
That It's interesting because everybody was clear about what was
in his head and now they're sitting there looking like oops,
now they just decided to give him a pass for everything.
I mean, one of the things that comes to mind
is that I talk about the fact that you know
he denounced projects, Well, he didn't denounce Projects twenty twenty five.
He distanced himself from like, oh I never heard of it,
(24:39):
and this and that, and I'm like, yeah, but everybody
around you like wrote project twenty twenty five. I pointed
out in a hearing that his name was mentioned over
three hundred times in Project twenty twenty five that the
people like the person that is over budget right now
is one of the authors of a chapter of Project
twenty twenty five. He has numerous people in his administration
(25:01):
that are Project between twenty five authors, and you're telling
me you know nothing about it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But one thing he did do is he told.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
People about these tariffs and his crazy ideas about tariff. Now,
he did campaign on tariffs. Now, I don't think he
understood how they work. I still don't think he understands
how they work. But something about tariffs really gets him going.
And so he campaigned on that, and people heard him
say that, and they still never responded.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Now, one of the reasons that his approval ratings are
so low is because of the tariffs.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'm like, but he told y'all that, like, like a
lot of this stuff he lied through with Steve, but
he at least told you about the tariffs, and y'all
wouldn't take two minutes to try to understand what we
were trying to tell you is that, no, it's not
other countries that are going to pay this.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
It is going to be you that is going to
pay this. And people refuse to listen to us. So
you know, it's one of those things that I'm trying
to get through to. You know, so many on my
side and say, you know what, it's about how we communicate,
because I feel like we are not trusted messengers. And
for whatever reason, they trusted the biggest known con man ever, right,
(26:13):
they trusted him so it didn't matter what he said
because they believed in his heart, regardless of his policies,
regardless of his words, they believed in his heart. Right,
And so I think it is important that we build rapports,
especially in the black community. Right, Like black community has
gotten so tired of every time it's election time. That's
(26:34):
when we show up to all the churches. That's when
we want to come to the barbershop, That's when we
want to have a conversation instead of continuously engaging in
communication and letting people know like this is what I'm
doing for you, and this is why what he hadnt
done is going to mess you up. Like it has
to be a continuous relationship. It's kind of like that
dude that want to come around every once in a
(26:54):
while and he want to call you a like midnight,
like wow, we haven't talked in months, like, do not
be blowing me up?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, and where I think you're trying to take me out?
You in town joy Enjoy, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So I want to speak to I want to speak
to because you said earlier about the Democrats that this
seemed complacent me as a as a black American, a
black transgender American citizen, it does seem like the Democrats
have been very complacent in this whole thing. And my
(27:33):
thing is when you ask, because I get on my
platform and I said, where are the Democrats? We're are
the Democrats, We're are the Democrats? And then we see
you instantly. But you can't do it all by yourself. Yeah,
do you fill alone?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
There are times for various reasons, though, But I will
tell you that I think that there's a lot of
different responses to Trump. I think there are those that
are like, I've been through Trump one point oh, so
they basically were expecting two point oh to be kind
of like what they already had been through, and two
point oh is like next level is like supercharge ridiculousness, right,
(28:17):
So I think that some people got caught off because
they were like, oh wait a minute, this isn't Trump
one point, oh, like he has like flipped the script.
So I think you've got that bucket of people. I
think you have other people that were like, surely, like
the backstops that were built into the foundation of our country,
Surely the backstops are gonna hold. And then it's like, well,
(28:38):
it seems like the damn is breaking right, Like, you know,
you get the court orders and you're starting to win
in court and you're trying to basically let checks and
balances work. And then it's like he basically is like
to hell with the courts, to heal with your orders.
So now they're like, well, crap, like because there are
those that were like, we have an answer for this, right,
(28:59):
and so now they're like starting to get their stride.
So I think that there's waves of people and they
are coming online. I think that for the average American
watching as soon as he started cutting off money, him and.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Elon and we like, wait a minute, what happened?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Like everybody like, well everybody should be you know, jumping
at it, and others are like, oh, you know, the
courts will take care.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Of it, or oh, we've been through one point. Oh,
and then you got people like me.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
It is like, bro, this is not normal, like and
it is time for us to do our part whatever
we can, even though we're in the minorities. So you know,
we're starting to see members that are doing more town
halls in other people's districts. I was talking to some
members about that, about seeing what we can do to
amplify that they actually are doing this work, yes.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because it don't seem like it. It don't seem like no,
it doesn't seem like anybody is doing anything except you,
Like you're very, very vocal. And I watched this stuff
was going on because I have to watch, not only
just because I'm Trey as Girl's that's even though that
is the top of the list. My mother is my
(30:04):
mother gets social Security, my mother is disabled. Yeah I
have money, but why do I need to try to
go make an extra ten thousand dollars for medication and
she's already paid money in you know, for working, like
she's my mother's sixty sixty three? Like like what is
over here? Like what is going on? Like what the
(30:24):
freak is going on? Like how are we how are
we gonna? Like it is nobody paying this thing any attention?
Like how this affects everybody. And like you said, Elon
is not an elected official. Why is this gentleman over
here in this place governing over things? And he's not.
(30:47):
He's not even a citizen.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
He is England Moore here. He likes some of these
people that they're trying to send him power.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
So he's an immigrant.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He oh, he's absolutely an immigrant. So why are Salvadora Well,
you know, there we go. Yeah, and the federal government
constantly giving him money, but they complain in them. But anyway,
that's a whole other issue. But I will say this,
I think that you know, first of all, let me
just say thank you for how you use your platform,
because I do think it's important because I think that
(31:20):
there are people that you can reach that I could
never reach, because there are so many people that literally
again it goes back to the report people that don't
trust politicians. And what I try to tell people nowadays,
and I think they're starting to understand it, is that
you may not be politically engaged, but you absolutely are
politically impacted. Yes, that's the reality, Like even if it's
not you directly, right, Like everybody got a mama, everybody
(31:43):
got a deity, an untie, a granny, a somebody right,
somebody that you love and care about who is currently
receiving Medicaid or social Security benefits or you're hoping that
one day your social security benefits are going to be there,
and so it is important to pay attention, or if
you are, you know, trying to deal with childcare, which
is very expensive, like understanding that head start is something
(32:06):
that they have decided that they wanted to gut, or
looking at the fact that you know, we all have
people or at least I know people that you know
use mills on wheels, right, and that they are looking
at losing theirs, or that people only get six dollars
a day to eat from snapingefits and right now they're
talking about cutting two hundred and twenty billion dollars worth
of snap inefits to people when you can't even buy,
(32:29):
you know, twelve eggs for six dollars.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
So what is the dollars a day to eat?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
If anything, you should be putting more money into it
instead of lists. Especially as these tariffs start to hit,
they're going to only further increase the amount that this
food costs. And even if you say, well, I don't
know nobody on snap because I'm you know, living a
high life and I only roll with certain people. Let
me tell you something. I am somebody that practice criminal
defense work. And there are those that believe that the
(32:52):
only people that can make crimes are criminals. And my
experience is that there are people that are put into
are in desperate situations that have them do criminal things,
but they are not necessarily criminals. There is a difference, right,
And so every time we can look, it doesn't matter
where you look in this country or even another country
(33:14):
where you have higher levels of poverty, there tends to
be higher incidences of crime because you do have some
people that are literally just trying to survive. So whether
it's committing thefts so that they can eat, or committing
thefts so they can take care of their children, or
whatever it is, there is a survival instinct that kicks in.
(33:35):
And so even if you don't care about nobody else,
I'm sure you care about yourself and your community and
whether or not you know, you have higher incidences of crime.
So this is really just smart legislation. It's not about
you know, being a Democrat or a Republican. And even
when we look at you know, I fight really hard
for those that are on SNAP, and if it's because
(33:57):
I just think it's the right thing to do, I
think it's the truly Christian thing to do, especially when
we're talking about pennies.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
But at the same time, it's Rule America that uses
more SNAP benefits than Urban America.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
At It's not us, it's Rule America.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
So, like I oftentimes tell my colleagues that I'm fighting
harder for your constituents than you are, Like it's a
shame that you're the person that's supposed to be their
voice when you literally are trying to take food out
of their mouths. And I also tell people in this
final point I'll make about this, is that this is
all an ecosystem, right. I was given a speech the
(34:37):
other week and I said that one of my favorite
songs is I Need you to survive. And if people
understood that we need each other to survive, then maybe
they would have a different attitude about how they go
about this. The reality is that those farmers may not
end up surviving once you pull that money out, because
(34:58):
just because you pull that money out don't mean to
somebody going to automatically go and replace the two hundred
and twenty billion dollars that was in that ecosystem to
make sure that you were making money. So I just,
you know, I hope that we're not going through this
hell for everybody to come out and not have learned
any lessons or educated themselves on why it is so
(35:19):
important to understand that we're a global economy and why
it's also so important to understand that we need to
take care of the least of us a lot more
than we take care of the one percenters.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
At the top. That's what the books say. There's two
things I want to do with you, sister. I want
to I want to do I want to ask this
question because it's I feel like I really want to know.
Are we ever going to recover from this? Mmmm?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
You're asking me to play miss Kleo right now. I
can't tell you that I know the answer to that.
What I can tell you is that specifically black people
know how to survive and ultimately thrive, and so I
truly believe, because we've never gotten out just doing this country,
(36:11):
that black people will definitely make it out on the
other side, all right, But it is hard to assess
how much damage has already taken place. It's one of
the reasons that I decided to intentionally stay on the
Oversight Committee because I understood the importance of doing oversight
in this moment, and you know, as we are potentially
(36:31):
about to go through a transition on oversight, you know,
I really want to dig into the weeds. I want
to make sure that we're sending out subpoenas. I want
to conduct investigations. I want to do shadow hearings so
that we can really dig in and find out what
y'all have y'all done and how bad is it. I
can tell you that I don't think that we could
recover in one four year term, So I can't afford
(36:53):
for people to get upset, even if we get a Democrat,
you know, the next go around, for them to say, well,
I didn't get it everything fixed in four years. They
tore it down in the first hundred days, so surely
you can fix it in you know, four years.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I can't say that.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know, my mom is someone who most likely is
about to enter her retirement phase because of kind of
all the crazy that is happening. She's been with the
federal government for almost forty years. Like you can't just
go and replace that type of experience and institutional knowledge,
and we are losing that at all of our agencies.
And even if those people are sunsetting and they're about
(37:30):
to leave the agencies, there's always kind of been a handoff, right,
It's like bringing the new, but they're being trained up
by the olds, yes, and so I don't know. They've
been reckless, they've been ignorant, and I have an incompetence,
so I have no idea how much harm. But until
we can start to dig in, and I don't know
how many true answers we're going to get ultimately, until
(37:52):
we get them.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Out, I have no idea, no idea.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's scary. It is, that is very scary. I want
to thank you for fighting for us, even through through
all of the fear and everything is just like us,
the only way, the only way over is through, So
we just got to go through it. Now, the last
(38:17):
section of our show, it's called ban It Bitch. Now
this segment of our show, I have to say is
some people are out here banning drag shows, LBGTQ, books
and even our very existence. But we're flipping the script.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world.
Here's how it works. We each get one minute to
(38:39):
make our case for what needs to go. Producers will
keep track of time and call out when they're thirty
seconds and ten seconds left. Let me kick it off
and show you how it works. All right, you ready, tyler.
My name is Tims Madison, honey, and if I rule
the world, I would ban people who don't pay attention
(39:00):
to the details. I am so sick of people not
paying attention to the details and then having all of
these major complaints, Honey, when the platter is served to
them exactly how it was written it it was going
to be ordered. I think that people who don't read
the fine print and complain about everything that they got
(39:21):
are the people that have caused this country to be
in the turmoil that it's in now. Those that don't
read the fine print and those that don't pay attention
to the big print ahead of them. I want to
ban people who just are not paying attention. And I
want to ban people who are selfishly walking on this planet,
(39:45):
are working off of privilege, and have caused every other
person who were paying attention to the small print and
the big print of harm because they just don't care
because it doesn't depect them. I want to ban every bitch.
Don't pay attention. You are band in the United States
(40:05):
of America, and that's my time. I yield. Okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Is it my turn?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes? All right?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So this is representative Crockett.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
And if there was one thing that I could ban
if I ran the world, it would be races, hateful.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Hypocrites. All right, So let me get into it.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
First of all, the races are the ones when we
look at the numbers, absolutely are committing most of our
violent our most violent crimes. They are coming not from
quote unquote Black Lives Matter, They are not coming from immigrants.
They are actually coming from white supremacy groups. There are
numbers and data to back me up. When we look
(40:50):
at things like what happened in Buffalo to black folk
just trying to go and shop for their groceries. When
we look at what happened in El Paso when they
decided to shoot up folks right there at the border
at the walmart, when we look at what happened to
church goers that we're simply trying to praise the Lord
in South Carolina, or when we look at those tiki
torch hold in Hos. Racists have always been what has
(41:13):
ruined our country. When we look at when our country
does best is when we respect everybody and we say
out of people's business, our diversity is truly our strength.
We end up with better numbers for corporations and we
end up with better environments as it relates to everybody's
mental health.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
And so when you want to talk about if you
want to.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Fix something, just take the hate out and honestly, you
can say that racist is synonymous for hate. And I'm
gonna say that they're hypocrites because at the same time
that they hate our diversity, they get mad when Kendrick
goes and does the Super Bowl and says, where is
the diversity?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So don't be hypocrites at the end of.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
The day, and that's the lady's time, Queen, thank you
so much for being with me. Thank you, Thank you
so much to see you, Thank you so much for
hitting me up.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yes I had to I miss but when I see
you next, I'm gonna be Listen, I'm gonna be half
as fine. I ain't gonna be the You're gonna.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Be fine because listen, when we're gonna were probably gonna
slide you know we're gonna listen even if we slide
in private and I have my my mother, my peoples,
bop and crawl, pour you together and we go out
and see Beyonce. Girl. I want to come see Beyonce
and and you need to.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I need to figure out her to see if I
can catch on one of the cities. Whe where you
live between d C, Dallas and the air So so
you so you so you live.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Between DC and and Texas. Yes, so maybe I want
to catch her in Texas because I want to experience her.
So you know I'm on Cozy. You know I'm on
that song Cozy. That's me on that saying I'm dog
brown dog like age Flo restent, beage, bitch, I'm black.
That's me. I do not know, but so that's me
(43:07):
doing it. So usually she brings me out like she'll
bring me like what she was on on the Renaissance
to what she brought me out, well, not out on
the show, but she brought me to watch the show
in Atlanta. I want to tell them I want to
experience it. Ticks.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yes, Well, I'm hav to keep you posting. I'm gonna go. Look,
I'm gonna see na be aware.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, and then we see we can and we can
line up like that. Yes, okay, I'm gonna get box you. Okay,
all right, thank you, I love you and thank you
so much, Thank you absolutely. Out Clause is a production
of The Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.
Created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece. I'm your host
(43:48):
Tis Madison. We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya
Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising producer is Jessica Crimechi
and our producers are Joy pat and car Bon. Our
video editor is Tyler Rebino Wits and our sound editor
is Just Crinchic. Our associate producer is Trent high Tower
(44:08):
Special thanks to our producer's assistant, Daniel Rebino Wiz. Our
theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show art
is by Pablo Montanina. Got You Next Week, Honey,
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