June 24, 2025 • 64 mins
He’s a Libra, he’s successful, he’s amazing, he’s a trendsetter…a bad bitch all around, in this episode TS Madison is joined by the Material Gworl himself, SAUCY SANTANA!
They discuss the impact of growing up watching "Real Housewives of Atlanta" and "RuPaul’s Drag Race" MADE Saucy Santana, exploring makeup as a teenager, swapping gender expectations for authenticity, and Maddie shares her own experience transitioning at 17.
Doesn’t matter if you’re he/him, she/her, they/them, this episode is for the GWORLS! Madison and Saucy talk intersectionality, fighting back against prejudice from within their own communities. We’re all in the fight to tear down white supremacy together!
Next, we get into Santana's villain era, his days reading bitches on twitter, how fame changed that, and also, we learn about the moment when Maddie realized she had become an elder.
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win tes b b b D bed
bum yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick hoon chasing.
(00:28):
I'm black like that. He sbout living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. All right, y'all, this
is T. S. Medisine coming to you loudlive, and and color.
Is it on?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is this thing recording?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I would like to welcome you back to the Outlaws
podcast with T. S.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Madison.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now, I want y'all to know that this podcast is loud,
liveing and color like TS. I'm by myself. I don't
have a co host because I know a lot of
y'all be talking about old girl. She can't do nothing.
I know co hosts or whatever will grow she can't do.
I don't have a co host. This is the place
where I get the opportunity to bring my friends, my family,
and you guys would like to just hear me up
(01:18):
and we just chop it up. And the reason why
we call this show Outlaws is just reminder is because
the people that I have on this show some way,
fashion or form. You know, it's kind of put in
an outlaw position or either put in an outlaw position,
or they're always wanted. And speaking of always wanted, I
(01:41):
want to let you guys know, I'm so excited today
because my guest today is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Someone who I am so proud of.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Like I'm I'm probably gonna be like fangirling over here, girl,
but I'm so proud of. They're a libra. They're successful,
they're amazing, They're a trendsetter. They are from flord Rita
like the dog and soul. You know, they are just
(02:13):
a bad bitch all the way around. Ladies, gentlemen, please
put your hands together for sauces. Got a freedom to
the microphone. Two baby, my niece, Santano, baby, Let let
me ask you this before we begin. Satana, you know
(02:33):
I call you called your niece from day one? What
are your what are your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Pronouns? What are your pronounces? My pronouns are he? Him?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I feel like, uh, I don't know if the pronouns
is maybe like a new thing. I feel like now
has been like a topic of conversation. I just feel
like if you see a boy, clearly that's a boy,
and you know, when you see a girl, clearly that's
a girl.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I just go off. Look, so that's part of the
reason why I keep my beard.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot of people ask like, why you just won't
cut the beard off. You got nails, you were lashes,
you were here identify as a boy. So it's like,
when you see me, you clearly can see I'm a boy.
I'm just a bad bitch.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So I get it. And I feel like in our culture,
what people don't understand is when we know that you
a girl, we're gonna address you as a girl. Yes,
so I think that's only something that uh, we understand
who's the girl. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What I don't like is when I have people miss
gender me as she or her, and then you will
see one of my trans girls who is the fish
uh huh completely tuna, And because you want to be funny,
oh him, I mean her? Oh he she that looked
(03:57):
like a full motherfucking woman. It's nothing when you look
at this, when you looked at this trans girl, it's
nothing that gave he him or nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So how dare you be like, oh he, I mean she,
and then see me and be like, oh she heard her? Bitch?
Cut it? Got it?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So basically, you identify as he and him. You you
go with so you you you identify as cis gender
gay man, see the cis gender all this, I'm a boy, damy.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Like I am a boy. Well that's what that means.
That's what it means. So so so basically I want
to know, am I okay to say? Because we're family.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So yeah, see that's why I said we in our world,
we know you calling me niece and you calling me girl.
That's because I'm a girl. Yeah, giddy y'all. But it's
like something that we understand. But to the world, Yes,
I'm here, I'm he him, I'm not them dad, I
ain't she her bitch.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I am he him, I'm a boy. Okay? All right?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh now that I know that, and I think that
that in this climate that we're in right now, with
this political climate that we're in, I think it's very
important that we don't erase anyone's identity because you know,
the President of day president, you know, told everybody with
the stroke, I'm going to get rid of this transgender
(05:21):
lunacy and what that did?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know? In my ears?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Tell the world that we know, we're we're not validating
any anybody else's identity. It's only this or the other
when they don't even know how how biology works. The
sex is there's male, there's female, and then there's intersects gender.
You can it's the way you identify. There's there's a man, woman,
(05:46):
non binary, it's it's a spec of identities. And so
I think that it's it's important that we disrespect It
don't cost nothing to respect nobody. Yeah, n we done
got that motherfucking ship out the wait man. I'd like
to know your origin story. I want to talk a
(06:08):
little bit about what was an experience or source of
inspiration or a Eureka moment, like an epiphany that shaped, uh,
the path that you're on today. What made Saucy Santana
because you know, because you know, the screets had said that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The Ceedy Girls made Santano.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But I seen Santana before I saw you, know, I
saw I saw you on social media were you were
allowed live and in color yep. I like to take
it back to all the way from the bikini and
a feel like I always tell this story.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I remember I literally grew up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Watching Rupa's Drag Race and it was Royal Housewives of
Van Nanta at the time, and seeing Derreck j and
Miss Lawrence and watching RuPaul's drag race and seeing men
get into drag and become the bitch or appearance.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wise, and I was like, I was just so fascinating
and I was so like, bitch, this how I be feeling.
But I didn't know you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I didn't know, like you know, it was a space
for that bitch. I'm in a in a country town, Perry, Florida,
beach in the hood. Like you know what I'm saying,
I don't walk outside and see this, Like you can't
go outside to be that fucking boat. And so I
think that's where like what kind of helped me as
far as my identity. When I was seventeen, I started
(07:46):
wearing girl clothes, I started wearing makeup, going to stores.
You know what I'm saying, boosting I mean, And you
know what's so funny is that you say seventeen because
I started transitioning at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And when I to a lot of the girls, like
a lot of the black girls, A lot of the
black girl's story is like I found myself around seventeen,
Like I found like this because I saw something or
you know, and I couldn't explain what I was, but
I saw something that was like and you said yours
was RuPaul's Drag Race and Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Mine was, and not because you know, I'm just a
couple of days all of the year, but mine was.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In nineteen ninety two, there was a movie that came out.
It was called The Crying Game, and the character was
Deal and so in the movie, the big AHA moment
was aha, Aha, it's a trans Take some time and
(08:48):
watch this called The Crying Game. So I think the
guy named was Fergus. He was kissing her on the
mouth in her room and she undressed and her robe
fell off and he kiss and he and the camera
panned all the way down from her little titties and
then pum pumping over it, and we saw and he
saw her dick and growl like the movie theater gag,
(09:11):
like everybody just gagged at the moment. And I was like,
mm hmm, that was the for me. RuPaul is not
me because RuPaul takes it off. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. I was like, this me, that's my AHA moment.
And so so what I'm hearing you say your aha
(09:33):
moment was like, oh, we's drag race, the girls get
in and they get out, get out grim Missus Lawrence
and Derrick Jay Gir they.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Pumping through in heel yes, and so this is me
got it yeap?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So those were That's okay, and that was that was like,
you know, and in my early stages, and I just
always feel like throughout uh my, you know, once I
became Saucae and even before being sausage an Town, he.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Was always I was always authentic to myself.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So I remember being a Bengie Cunt girl trapping in
the hood with all the rest of the boys getting
ran out of the well, trying to run me out
the trap, having an argument, niggas having a pull up
because I'm in the trap with a two piece song
My Jordan's not out on Hurst Bitch by Nick Minaja,
serving selling and trapping more than every nigga out there
(10:27):
selling selling. So for those of you who are listening
to this podcast and you don't know what's serving, listen,
we got this Benchie count on here today today, this
you with me, You with me, It's Beedie Cunt on
here today. So for the younger, the serving means selling,
dop thank you selling. Do you know what I'm saying,
(10:49):
like I sold Coolie backing today seeing town of sol
dope and but and so I always say games have superpowers.
One of the advantages was when the boys of some
mad because when the police would ride through, I don't
appear to.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Be doing what y'all doing, right, they think I might
have stuning gucci.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And so the boys is man, they like this motherfucker
I here making the top motherfucking dollar and.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Y'all just ride past him. Thank you, Ah perst full,
I think.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And what I'm hearing you say, which you're backing up
a lot of things that I say on social media
because I always feel that we are God's anointed queens.
I've always felt that we are God anointed because look
at you going from selling dog trapping.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
In the hood with Bengi nils, Yes, boasting booster, stealing clothes.
God did it? You know what I'm saying, Like you
were just you were trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yes, And I don't think that people really understand as
a queen and as a as a as a black queen,
the way that you have to survive in the environment
in which your place. Yes, and to this is why
we This is why I got. We got so much
love for each other because it's just like we mirror
(12:13):
reflections of each other. God protected you. God, So any
listener out there, of people watching, I want you to
know that God protects his girls. Yes, just know that
God protects his girls. No matter what y'all think about us.
God protects his girls. Because one thing I've learned in
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this life is that God does not call the qualified.
He qualifies the call your story. You're trapping, you know you.
He meant for you to be a rapper. He meant
for you to minister through music. He meant for you
(12:58):
to do this thing because all the things we're going
on in your life is a part of the story
that you tell in your music.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, yep, that's I think.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think that's why being authentic is so important because
you just never know who you touching, and you never
know even even even if people can't relate necessary necessarily
to your story, you just don't know the healing that
you could bring to people. So how much healing I've
(13:27):
brought through being myself. When I first came out the DMS,
I get like, Wow, I always wanted to wear nails,
but I got a beard.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I didn't think I could do that.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Wow, I wanted to wear a two piece, but I'm
kind of on the heavier side. I was not as confident. Wow,
I want to do this, Santana.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How do you walk out the house? How do you
not care? I'm like, girl, I gotta make myself happy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's like it's to me, it's no feeling than being free,
and it's no easier way to live than to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's literally like one, two three.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't got time to wake up and try to
be like this bitch, that bitch, this bitch, this hole,
this hole.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I can only be Santanna. That's see it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I'm proud of what I have accomplished by being Santana,
even just recently with me being on Love and Hip
Hop and bringing my mom on their and you know,
sharing the story of you know, just how me growing
up as a gay boy and kind of me and
my mom relationship kind of you know, fell off because
(14:28):
her as a mom. You know, sometimes they just and
I see you had the similar story. They just can't
come to grass. So they just couldn't get it. So
it was a time where I had to walk away
from MoMA, Like girl, I don't give a fuck what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yep, I'm gonna be that girl and bitch is gonna
take it and leave it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And I went through a lot of struggle in my
mama always like grown people say care themselves.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Bitch bye, that's it, watched it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I got out there and got in the field, and
I've done a lot of things, you know. And of
course with me being in feminine girl younger at that age,
and you know our culture, and you know, I grew
up around a lot of trans girls, and it was
the time when I was eighteen I thought that I
wanted to be trans.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And so you know, getting out on the back page.
You're not doing so pussy too. Ain't no wrong with that,
and you know, but just be just a hustler, just
being just being a hustler.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Raight, Hey, you got that, Let me get it. You
want that, I got what you need. Tell the man
with the money to come in here and pay me, yes, pitch,
put it right here, puty right here. So what I'm
(15:42):
what I'm telling, what I'm hearing you say in your
story is that you you You've done everything to survive,
everything to survive. And I want people listening and watching
to know how we are still connected to God. Yep,
every time I hear you say, I thank God for
when he put me. God did this and then that,
(16:03):
because you know that your story. This is my question,
when did you know that your life was bigger than you?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think once I became.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Like it started becoming the height of kind of saucy Santana,
and I started just really seeing the dms, the the
in person conversations, me doing shows and people.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Are crying yeah, and I'm like, girl, it's just me. Yeah, oh,
ghett a a hood bitch, like.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And and even and even I'm so authentic to myself
that I'm like, what, I'm not doing nothing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And I had to sit back and real, guys, you
know what, this ain't even about me no more. And
so to the point where like, and I always say
this with with girl, I come out to cry. I
always say this with my with with music, Like I
never want to be the queen or even though you
(17:20):
know I do call myself the queen. I mean, you know,
but I'm a confident bas I'm to my own horn.
But I never want to be the queen or I
never wanted to stop at me. I feel like the
space that I occupy and hip hop has not been
done from what the fuck I've seen, and so I
don't want it to stop at me. I want us
to be able to go to these award shows and
(17:41):
it's best LGBT artist, and I want after if I
decided because I'm a star bitch, I could rap, I
could do movies, I could do commercials. I could be
your live screaming bitch. I can have a podcast, I
can do whatever the fuck I want. And so if
the reason what keeps me going in music is I
want this is to be regular. I don't want it
(18:02):
to be a space where Saucy Santana stops rapping and
oh remember we had Santana and after that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It wasn't done again. I want all the girls to
be able to come, just like nowadays.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How music is so different nowadays, but you get you
a hit, blow up on TikTok or whatever the case is,
and you start shriving, you get signed to a record
label and and some shit just easy.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That that that is for men and or or straight
girls and straight boys.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I want the next ten gay bi rappers to get
on the internet day get a hit day, get a
record deal.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I did it. I did it. I did it all. Yeah,
and I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Be the same way for us and just even me
occupying TV spaces, the spaces that you occupy, everything that
we do.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I want this, I want I want it to be normal.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I see we've came a long way because now almost
everything you cut on a movie got a gay character,
a gay auntie, a trance something.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's gay and everything now, which I love, and I
wanted to keep being like that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so once I realized the impact and the influence
that I had, everything that I do is fort it's
for the gaze. Literally everything I'm not doing shit. I'm
not shooting a movie without without no gays in it.
I ain't shooting up the music video I'm in without
no gays. I'm not doing nothing that don't include lgbt Q,
(19:28):
I whoever else y'all want to include, as long as
they're under iye, BROTHERER so literally I get.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Uh inquiries, interviews, Can you do this? Can you do that? Yeah?
What a money? Yeah? What's up with my coin?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
T S said immediately yes, Then can I get gleam down?
I'll come how I do it. I'm coming. I'm showing
up for my people.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, and that's important. And I think that we're in
emotional space with that because we knew how people keep
stuff for us and how we had to circumnavigate around
and and and And I'm not saying that we use
the City Girls or we use Kanya or we use
(20:10):
it at our light. Yeah, our presence, you know what
I'm saying. Our influence made that because you and Karsha
used to be doing your lives whatever. And it kind
of happened like right after me and Kanya split up,
and I said, and I remember I messaged you and
I said, niece, y'all is Queen's cord two point oh?
(20:36):
Keep going and naturally, yep, y'all Queen's court two point oh,
and just having fun, keep going. People don't know that
we was gonna We was gonna get there anyway, regardless.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If you and Karresha would have been together or not.
You was gonna get there. Yes, me and Kya being
together or not.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It was only because it was it was it was
in the car because we're blazing trails for people and
we're thinking about I don't want to be the last
one to do this. I want to keep the doe
in and tell the girls come on, come on, come on,
come on, come through.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know shit. It's just this is why.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Anytime we're doing shows and stuff like that, like like
I do on my other show, I don't let nobody
get on there and say nothing about you.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't cover.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Stories about you, or I'll find somewhere if we're talking
about you, I find some type we'll be like nah, yeah,
I don't like that, and I'm not doing I don't
We're not having this kind of conversation because I see
so much of me. Yes, I see me, and it's
just like you gotta understand. God put us in these
positions to move stuff for our community. And our community
(21:49):
is LBGTQ i A, but our community is also black.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes. I just seen that. You said that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I seen a clip that on TMZ. Yes, and I
was like she just never seemed to amaze me, like
this really mind team. That was something that got misconstrued
before when Black Lives Matter was going on and me
and Cliff, my friend Cliff Emir had did or we
(22:19):
thought it was protesting with the people, and I said
on my sign.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
All lives matter.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And I guess at the time all lives matter was
supposed to be pertaining to white people, well it would
include Yeah, I guess to the masses. For me, when
I was saying all lives matter, that means since y'all
saying Black lives matter, all of these black lives, these
(22:50):
trans girls that die and nobody don't give a fuck,
Nobody cares to find out who did it, what happened.
These black gay boys that go to school and get
bully for being gay and go home and hang themselves
and go home and cut themselves and don't have an
outlet at home to talk to our parents. All the
trauma that happens within the black gay community. That's what
(23:11):
the fuck matters too, Because how do y'all write that
we black? It's crazy to see and and and I'm
so glad that you're here to speak to this as well.
It's so crazy to see that we occupy space. Is
a big visibility. And then they'll say, oh, that black community,
and then they're like, Okay, well that's them. It's like, no,
that's us, that's us. Because a win for us, it's
(23:36):
two wins. It's a win for black and.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's a win for queens.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, so you should be celebrating all the way around, Like,
don't don't think that, because I think that what happens
when we come in and say, well, we're we're gay,
or we're trans. Oh that's them over there. We become other.
And when you other something, you take away, you strip
it from every other fabric of inclusivity that you're a
(24:03):
part of. I told somebody yesterday, I said, girl, I'm
pro black and trans because I'm black and trans at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yes, I can't be one and then the other. Because
if you ask me to be pro.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Black and I get out there and I'm fighting the
war against white supremacy, let's say we win it. I
got to keep my shield up because now I got
to turn and fight the same people that I was
fighting with, yes, because they don't want me to have access,
They don't want me to have inclusion, they don't want
(24:40):
me to have freedoms, they don't want me to have
that because you've reduced me, You've minimized me to my identity,
and that's unfair. And I think the people out there,
especially our listeners of color, it is unfair for y'all
to to other us when we are in the extreme
fight to tear down white supremacy. We're in that fight.
(25:03):
We're we're in the fight to tear that ship down.
And so when you other us, you you actually weaken
your blow. You weaken your blow. This is why it's
important for me to tell you I'm your fan. I'm
you're a fan, Santana. I download all your music. I
(25:25):
can go through my phone, play a bitch getting ready. Bitch,
you know what I'm saying. I download all your stuff.
I have all your things because I want you to thrive.
I want you to thrive. I want you to be rich.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Bitch, I'm rich.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I want you to be rich. I want you to
be I want this for you. I want this for
you because you're black. I want this for you because
of your identity. I want this for you. I want
you to have this stuff. I want you to be great.
I want to support shows. I want to do this
stuff you because it's a win for all of us.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
A call the board.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's important when I'm talking to drag Race and I'm saying, girl,
I want I who I want? Who is my judge
that i'd like to judge it? I want send Town
of you know what I'm saying. I want my girls
to come. I want Miss Lawrence, I want I want
my girls to come up here and special guests and
stuff like that, because these are pioneers in our community,
community that have you know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And I want them to win. I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want it to be to be known, you know.
And it's not taking away from anybody that's not a
person of color. It's just that we understand how difficult
it is to get on and then not just to
get on, to stay on, and how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The fighting against our own people.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, it hurts, and especially with us because like you said,
you're gonna be fighting for this and then gotta turn
It's like with us, we already black and gay, and
we gotta fight against being black, and then we gotta
turn around and fight our LGBT.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Community too, Yeah as well.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And I and and that ship really breaks my heart
because I'd be like, everything that I'm fucking doing, it's
for y'all, it's for us.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's for us, it's for us.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And and but I say especially y'all because if I
feel like I'm already a pioneer and I already have
opened certain.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Doors I don't think that I'm bigger than the program. Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's certain doors that I are kicked up, But bitch,
I need I need one last kick that knocked that
bitch off the hinge.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So girl, come help me. Bull those here, y'all come
boom and now it's down.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And bitches really don't be getting that because everybody want
to be that girl. Everybody want to be the queen
or Oh, I ain't even a fan out over that bitch.
That ain't nobody I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm saying it out. I've seen our last week in
a club. Ain't nobody else.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Girl's standing there and we seeing her. Shouldn't be having
us screen.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm saying it out. I am that girl. Yes, I can't.
I can't be fucked with you can't take it away
from Yes, And I know you he send across for
you get because you know that's what I give.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know I'm able to tell them and when and
when and when I see that, I'm gonna respect. Another
girl asked that girl as such, and a bitch and
a bitch ain't gonna play with none of mine.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, you know, I'll call you. Why does holl keep
playing with your because I'm about to fall out with her.
I've been trying to pay you. Yeah, and I've seen
that sad girl.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
She was like why you know?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was like, oh, you're playing with my TV one
too many times, playing horse stro games like girl.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And here's the thing. When when we ain't gonna call
we're not giving names to the we don't know what
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But when we when when when you're when you have
your time, We've been supportive.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I have me too.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
We've been part of and it's just like, girl, I
wouldn't put you in a position like you like you
put me in. This what brings me to this next
part right here, it's called the villain era. Now, let's
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get into.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Your villain era. Now.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know, every outlaw gets labeled the bad guy at
some point, and often when we're just trying to live
our lives in truth to do our best. Now, your
villain era could be a time you stopped people pleasing,
a time you stood up for yourself. Maybe you made
a mistake, or maybe you did something that sparked some controversy.
(29:28):
What was your villain era and what did.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You learn from it? I think that my villain era
was definitely my Twitter era. I think that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Back in the day, well, it's the shit is still
the same people Dad asked, will still just troll and
write hateful comments and then when you check them while
you were spinning like, bitch, i'all love you. I ain't
think you was gonna see that. Yeah, Or you know
right now everything is for a hits or I'm for
the commed this under the shade room, or I'm fin
(30:03):
the comment this because if if the bitch respond back
to me, I'm gonna be on a shame room in
the morning. And so I think, especially being like a
younger gay, I grew out of that a lot. But
back in the days which it was about reading the
girls for fucking blood, and I remember that's what me
and my friends used to do in high school. That's
(30:25):
just all we just was ripping bitches to shreds. And
so I think I made a lot of comments that
were me, that were rude, that were distasteful. I was
not famous then. I did not think I was gonna
be famous for nobody.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I did not even know you knew you were gonna
be famous. I never thought I was gonna be famous.
You know what, I always thought.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I thought I was just gonna be a makeup artist
and at the most of celebrity makeup artist. I did
not think that I was gonna be famous. Now I
knew I was always a star. I knew that I
was always likable. I knew I was I was always trendy.
People follow behind everything I did. I did not think
that I was gonna be famous. I didn't even care
if I want to be some other fucking money right,
So not, I'm not thinking that ten years later I'm
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gonna be famous and people gonna come back and see
all this shit I was talking. And so I think
now that I hold myself accountable, now that I know
I'm still one hundred percent me, I'm still one hundred
percent myself. I'm still you know, authentic, and I'm still
gonna feel how I feel.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But now I know how to feel how I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Over the phone, I'm gonna pick up my phone, Mick, Kris,
you gonna get on to find the one and say, girl, you.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Seen what's the name? Dad? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Look the mess yesterday at the bm ma's grin was corning,
so motherfucker man out. We're still gonna read. We're still
gonna keep. But it's a space for that because I
got a responsibility and me being who I am, I
gotta watch my worst. I gotta watch what I say,
and I have to watch what I put out there,
even as far as I don't even I don't even
like to getting people business when I don't follow blogs
(31:58):
already because I just feel like it's much. It just
be too much drama and negativity. But even when I
see stuff in the blogs, I don't get on the
internet with my opinion. I don't make YouTube video because
that's how I have to fall out with bitches. I
don't make YouTube videos about the next bitch business. I
don't comment under posts and and and and different things
like that. And if you are in a podcasting kind
(32:19):
of space, I will give you a pass if your
podcast is something serious for me to take. Bitch, don't
just get your ass on the internet talking shit. Bitch,
and you ain't got nowhereal platform.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But you know what I'm saying. I see a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I see so much of other celebrities and socializes just
in comments and and and just being certain.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm like, girl, you could have called your homegirl said that.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Now I don't like you. And when I see you
at the VT, where is you know something I happen. Yeah,
so you know what I'm saying. I learned that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know, bitch, we gotta everybody gotta responsible for their
mother fucking out.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, so what's what you say? What you say? Just
because I ain't in the comments riding the beach, I
see what you said. I saw you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Somebody screens to me and I gaged so many girls
they'd be like, oh swerve, yeah and.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You got five second. Yeah. I don't like what you said.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
What I don't play because you could have missed and bitch,
you got close proximity to me. You could have said
something to me. Yes, that I remember, and I'm not
going to bring up because that's our private thing. But
I want to talk about what I respect about you.
I remember when I was in New York. It was
there was during a Pride week in New York and
and something was going on at the time, and you
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call me, and I'm going to tell you how good
it made me feel. You call me and you said, Auntie,
how I handle this? You said, Auntie, how do I
handle this? I took a moment. I don't want to
(33:53):
be emotional because people don't give me, give me the
things like like you know, not not like that they should,
but like people be trying to act like that. I
don't have no as much ship that I am fout
for our community, you know what I'm saying. So it
be feeling a way like how they try to just bend.
Oh that bit chang that bit chain doing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Now, bitch, I have And when you call me and
you say, Auntie, how do I handle this?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I paused for a moment, and I said to myself,
all right, bitch, you are an elder.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Your girls look to you.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They may be in the world doing they they doing
their thing and being big superstars and stuff like that,
but your girls know your your girls know your place,
your position. You call me, and when we talked that
ship through and we had our power, MoMA, know that
you move just like that like I told you that girl,
you know what I'm saying. And I remember, I do
remember me telling you this, and I want I want
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everybody to listen. I remember to your presence is my advocacy.
I will never forget that and my mother fucking life
And still to this day, I even tried to explain
that to other girls that they still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And so now when I back away from certain things
or I shy away from certain things, and they'd be like,
I'll be like, I'm here. Yeah, I did what I could.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You know, I did what I was supposed to. And
I remember, I remember the incident. I want to touch
on it, you do.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think that was when I was in New York
and that this incident you're talking about is when I
had that show in Dallas. And I think that's what
I called you by, right?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Was it to Jean Dallas? It was that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But then the tweets too. It was a tweet okay, yeah,
and it was and it was just about you know,
how I seen our community.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm like, okay, I get.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Everybody else being mad, but you know, y'all, we know,
we know what what was in our world and just reading.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I'm not saying nothing that I didn't see a thousand
other gays say as well, you know, behind me, and
just for a bitches a turn or or just everybody
was like, yes, this bitch about to get canceled, she
about to go down. I have.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm like, what I like and even and it regardless
how fucked up. I didn't say nothing foreign, nothing like.
I didn't make that up.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm saying, what the fuck y'll bit you're saying, I'm saying,
what the fun I'll see all over the internet we
all saying the same shit.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And so just to see how quick my community was
to get that bitch up out of here, I was like.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I call my tea, because how you deal with this?
Because I'm ready to say fuck everybody? Fuck now, I'm
ready to crash out.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
You know, and I told you don't. I will never
forget what you tell me. Never don't. Because you your.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Trajectory, your path. Anybody that has a position will be
met with opposition. I want you to remember that anybody
that has a position will be met with opposition. You
be met with opposition on all sides. The people you're
fighting against and the people you're fighting for. The people
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you're fighting against and the people that you're fighting for,
you'll be met with the opposition.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Your duty and your responsibility is to exist.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Exist because your constant existence, your constant perseverance, your constant movements,
let them know how unshakable we are. Yes, period, regardless
of this little it's like a speed bumpy air pocket turbulence.
You're still on that flight, bitch, first class.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Standing on be this.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So now this makes me move to the area of
our show. It's called rebel with a cause. Now this
show is called Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
For a reason.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
An outlaw or a pariah in our culture, it's often someone,
ironically that has a heart in the right place, and
you have the courage to speak up and stand out,
and you push back when it matters to most. Now,
the guests on this show, the Outlaws, are some of
the voices of our time. They are rebel hearts who
are challenging the status quo and making a difference. Sentana,
(38:44):
tell me about a cause you care deeply about that
drives you with passion, and how others can join the movement.
No fatsn fing, no fats, no films. I remember being
(39:07):
a littora.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm jacked and the Black Girls is on, Jack, I
didn't playing with grind and all. I love grinding. Thank
you for going, But you know we was out Jack
and what was the other one?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
B B B GC? In high school?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
So I remember the first thing you us see was
no fats, no films.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
The boys didn't they didn't want to hear. And it
turned me to the trade because trying to deal with
it was really the gay boys who was no fats,
no films, and so it turned me to the trade.
And I went through a lot of heartbreak.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
A lot of death resims and just feeling love about
myself having to deal with these you know, download men
that they ain't even fucking sure of themselves, got families
at home, wives at home, and at this time I'm
just being a hot little girl, so fuck up for free?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
After once the trade broke my heart, that's when I
started sayings money, tell the men of the money to
come in here and pay me.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I know how that's gonna go. Just be thine if
I should on the dressed it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
But I would turn to that because I felt like
I could not have love or affection or sex or
whatever the case is. Where am I where people in
my community? So you want to gay sex?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah? I want?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I wanted to be with a boy. And I'm like, why,
I'm grown now. I have been into the gay scene.
I have been in the gay clubs. I see that
as like other little gay boys. That's asking in the
que the little butcher wings and all my you know,
like you know, I'm like, you know, I would I
would have if I have to.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I'd rather just be comfortable with my people. Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So, for for those of you that are listening and
watching that may be confused, Santana is saying, I'm tired
of sleeping with the trade, the de the dal trade,
because I because I did. I like through high school,
it was it was already trades and stuff. So by
the time I get older and now I'm going to
gay clubs and I'm seeing the gay people, and that's
(41:29):
the whole gay world out here.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You wan real love? Yeah, I call hunch a gate boy.
It's no teating. We won't real love.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I could go, yeah, I could, I could go a
top a verse or whatever. The how would however to
say it's gonna be work. You know, that's how it's
going down. So I'm like, I went through just so
much bullshit with just fucking these trades, and these nigga
ain't no good. These niggas ain't even sure their self.
So sometimes a nigga, but the fuck you good? You
you did one times? You young yount love bit she
(41:55):
never has the phone again. Yeah, you're thinking to put
your hand on that whole time here and his hair
ready to kill stuff because yeah, D And it's just
like I went through so much of that bullshit and
it just made me like I always be and myself.
I always been confident. I always been Santana. I always
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been reshied to the core. And one thing that I
always loved about my people that knew me before I
was famous, I had I cut that ship a long
time ago. Hey baby, we're not finna keep doing all this.
The girls to femin and the girls to this bitch.
If I if I like a nigga, that's how it's going,
(42:36):
I'm going to bad. I can watch this, but y'all
got charmed. You can't buy the ship in the stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You're a libra like period.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
So I remember, and I and I still got I'm
still got niggas from back in the days, which still
on my motherfucking body saying.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Came in them same niggas.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And I just.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Remember even see back then, and I and I didn't
even pay attention.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I didn't really see it then, but my small circle
of friends or either the little girls that knew me
from the gaumin Andy be like, bitch, how you be
bagging them niggas? They don't understand that libramagic how we rich?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I don't know, bitch, and I ain't paying. It's beritch.
I ain't gotta go on my motherfucker heartitch.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I'm cussing these fun niggas out kick niggas at a
four o'clock in the one to get my house inside.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like and so I just I love that now, and
I still think the gag still trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like when you see a bigger girl or feminine girl
with somebody, you think that they gotta pay.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Just like, just like what's going on now? You know
me and my bodyguard, we be moving around they and
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
TC is at the bodyguard. I mean, yeah it was rached.
Wasn't Whitney Houston and Caracaun the hell a body guard?
So y'all, y'all see me and my body moving around
and they thinking like, he's a secure man. I have
to tell you that he's a very secure man. He's heterosexual,
he got his he got kids. But people see and
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they thinking like, oh, well, there's no possible way that.
Oh she m she got money, so she must be
paying him. You'll pay him to do his job. Yeah,
his job is to guard my body, because this body
is worth a lot to be guarded and everything else
that goes to be mine. I'm not I'm not denying
or I'm not confirming. Just know that he there, and
(44:32):
just know that you can't get in there like you
think you can.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, that's it. But the thing about it is, it's
just like, oh, go to go to the women. Oh
he's straight, he don't want her. How you know that?
Oh she fat, he don't want her. How you know that?
How you know that? How you know that? Is it?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Because the perception is no fat no fim no fat
no fag no fat no. So I'm I'm honest with
you saying like, bitch, I'm tired of this. We were
finna get this, no fat no field shit way, not
the way.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And then when y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
See me because a lot of the I'm not gonna
hold you, a lot of the men that I talked
to him, and that's part of the roster.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I'm the only girl like myself that be on a roster. Period.
Bitch period.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Back gags the girls as well, period because they like, okay,
well you can't do what I do.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
All the rest of the boys, he dad like, I do,
thank you. You can't do what I do. You can't
do what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
They be like, but this bitch is the I'm the
only time and bitch after me. He will not go
back this way. He's gonna go back to what he's Girl,
you can't do what I get.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You a libroom, bitch, get you a libroom.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So the house really can't you know, they really can't take.
But then, and and and I feel like sometimes too,
and I want to stop doing this. All those I'm
breaking hearts enter process. You are.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yes, sometimes I have to really drag and.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Dog me a nigga, just for the bitches that think
I can't do it, or just for the bitches that
think it's some type of stipulation or or or girl,
this bitch which one pick one, bitch.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I don't mind. And so i'd be like, you know what,
I gotta start breaking these niggas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But you did, You just did it for sport. You
didn't really want them, Listen, I ain't really I'm like
I'm but but I really build genuine connections. I'm just
a genuine person. And so I already had real relationships
with you know dudes that I date, and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Damn tender. You could take it a little easy. What what, niece,
it's about?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Because we're libres and there's just what that's just in
our that's in our thing.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You know what I'm saying. It's in our thing.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Was like to test us, you know what I'm saying,
because they feel like they little better than us. They
find in us, and especially with us being feminine and fast.
Because I was talking to I love big sexy. Yeah
that's my baby. I love big sexy. And I started
dating one of his friends and he was like, he
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called me, he said, sister, He said, do you know that?
My brother called me and he said, you know, y'all
have went out of stuff. And he was like, you know,
y'all had went to this restaurant. He was like, you
ordered a lot of stuff and and then y'all had
went like to the club afterwards, and you know, you
had ordered more stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And she was like, he said, you know, you kept
making him pay and I was like, yeah, haven't. She
was like, girl, you don't be buying this. I said, bitch,
what the fuck I'm sitting around in the nigga phoe
and I go on my purse.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Oh, I'm irritated, bitch, you don't even get the same
growing amouth bitch wants to have come. When I go
to any place, I already tell the lady, Hey, if
you ever seen me with a man, the chicks on him, bitch,
bring it to him, don't bring me no sair. And
it's not even because people are trying to be like, oh,
you're so shadow, that's how a nigga follow. It's not,
(48:22):
it's not it's not even about the first of all,
just be like, that's what a man supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
But you'll like to be cordy, yes, butch ain't. No,
look growing the mouth. You're a grown woman. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And at the same time, and I had, I had
it was so fun out of saying I said yes,
I said bitch, I said, see, that's a problem. Butch
just think that I'm staying around. Were sitting around paying niggas,
were saying around buying niggas because we're supposed to be fair,
we supposed to be feminine, britch, we got to buy
up bitch. No, I don't at all, No, I don't
bitch at all at all, I told a motherfucker that
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I turned more niggas down the Visa American Express. That's
the car and Discover put together Hello. And you know
when you black beach, you put that on the car.
They turning your heads down.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
So this ship is by choice. Yes, I was like, nah,
I said, Na, that's not how I go now.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Of course, if I'm danging a boy or you know
what I'm saying, if I'm fucking with the nigga, of
course I can buy my niggas something.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
The matter.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
My thing is, you know I'm always judging nigga. I
ffire he come me, he get money. I get money too,
Like who trick on who? You know what I'm saying,
so and so I was gonna come there, But I
do not like when when And this is a thing
that makes me really upset every time I talk to
who to a nigga, is he was to me for
cloud or he broke a.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Badance with bitch. No, I'm a badass bitch and I
got and I got a personality of no other.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think that the most attractive part that people can't
take about. Confident confidence I have had. I have had
when I knew when I when I knew I was
that grow up. I have niggas like niggas I talk
to sometimes I might even think out of my motherfucker lead.
They'd be like, bruh yo, just I ain't never yo,
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or I never I ain't never even, but I ain't
never talking to nobody like that.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I ain't never been shows us.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And to the point where I put confidence in my niggas,
I've seen it time and my nigga start acting like me.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
My nigga started dressing like me, bitch, my niggas start walking.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'm like, yeah, bitch, billy, because of course, I you know,
I'm ast The ones that I date are masculine, you know,
because I need I need some masculine for the queen.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
But so you need a king for the for the queen. Yes,
I need a king for the queen.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
But still be yourself. I'm never going to strip you
of being a gay boy. Because of that case, I
would have stayed with the trade. I would have stayed
with it down on me. So that's basically what you
mean when you say that you want to date a
gay you want to date a gay man that's confident
in his masculinity, confident within himself and a man that's
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not uh coming in saying okay, this is a this
a star, so I'm going to come up. I don't
need to post you. No, you don't need to be seen,
but we'll we don't gotta do none of that now
see me. Part of me being a dog walker. Posting
niggas was a part of my brand. When I came out.
I had all the beddest niggas, all the baddest porn stars,
(51:16):
all the beds niggas off the block, all everything I
did it on.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
They got me done done, undone it all.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Wait a minute, what done done? Done it all all?
And so that was a part of my brand is
to says, Tanna, gona have a new nigga. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
You know every day. But I'm a genuine person and
I'm observant.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
So if a nigga is even around me, and I
could and I could feel like your energy off, this
don't seem genuine.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It's it's around, it's clip no tea, and I won't
look back.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
So you know what I'm saying. We never doing that,
But I want you to be yourselves because you know,
and our gay world, we had up some games that
are like i'd like to say, lay like straight pleasers.
So you got some games. They'd be like, go ahead
with them with that fag and ship, or I don't
hang with them, baggage for them, Oh pick me, pick mees.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'd be like, you know you're gay.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
You do know you're homosexual, right, and you do know
that if they had to come in here and pick
us out, put all the games on the boat you
going on there? Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
How straight you look? How many tattoos is on your face?
How many tattoos is on your neck? Bitch, you're gay
and at the end of the night, you will put
a dick in here amount Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Wait nah, I don't want to be in your business, bitch.
Huh you get that's the first thing. Now, you know,
we grow up some say.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
For real, for real, but really had I have bumped too,
And I even have some some friends that I have
to be like, Yo, we are gay. We are part
of the same umbrella, like what you mean, And so
I want to allow my boyfriend to be confident in himself.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, when you be around.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
When you be around me, you're gonna naturally be masculine
because I'm feminine.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
So that's just just you being a man. You're gonna
be yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
But if you around your friends, if you know what's team, yes,
because out I'd have been talking to boys and then
I hear them on the phone when they friends, they friends,
be like since let me tell you, I'll be like,
he just got you, sus.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Nobody you know why he said that? Cuse you cause
your sus. Be yourself. I'm never gonna knock you for that. Now, bitch.
If we're in a club, don't bust out to do
the fucking chicken wing right now. Don't go to voge
Hill Yeah, bech slow down. But if we at home,
I might let you wall yeah wow yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Time for my favorite segment. It's called ban it, bitch. Now,
some people out here are banning drag shows, LBGTQ, plus
books and even our existence. But we're flipping the script.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world?
Now here's how it works. We each get one minute
to make our case for what needs to go. So
(54:28):
let me kick it off and show you how it's done.
I want to ban all put sass motherfucker holes that
feel some type of insecure way about me.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Let me tell y'all something. I want to ban you
bitches that scream out that y'all don't like the girls, bitch.
But y'all ain't got no pressure with the girls. You
do got pressure with the girls. And I mean you
gotcha that's sitting over there giving cunt giving fish giving
the things, girl, honey, But then you sitting over there
talking about something. Oh, my existence don't matter to you,
but it really does. I want to ban you, bitch.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm so tired of y'all sitting up here acting like
y'all standing on business and y'all not standing on business,
because if you was a real secure bitch, me being
anywhere that you ad angle wouldn't be no motherfucking problem.
I'm tired of y'all getting in the comments sections anytime
somebody posts me bitch with y'all nigga to comings and
then acting like you don't know who I am, bitch.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
I want a band you put the ass.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Oh, I want to bear all you put the assholes
bitch to add like that y'all don't know who a
girl is, bitch. But y'all be summer with your mouth
on me twisted up bitch like you gotta dick in it. Bitch,
I'm tired of you.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
I want to be bended, bitch. Bitch you band, thank you.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Real Florida shit right, Jesus this Jesus Florida fla the
mouse right here.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
It's right. Your house ain't standing on business, you bitches
is sitting on the bench. On the bench, bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Bandit was I want to band, I think I want
to bean, I said it was gonna kind of be
in the same about go ahead, I want to I
second the band to the insecure bitches. I second the
band to the bitches projecting.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
I sacond now I'm second to me.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
I tell you, jealous bitchy, Yes, all my mad ass
bitches fuck them, jealous ass bitches. How on, That's just
what it is, because even if I like you, I
can still salute you, even if you are hating ass bitch.
I can still salute you, even if you know what
I'm saying you mad that it's not you. But I
see you, you thriving in whatever whatever you got going on.
I can still salute you, bitch. I ain't know jealous
(56:24):
because it's in me.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's not on me. Bitch. You can't fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
I can't be fuck with. I don't give a fuck
what you what's what's space you occupy? What movie role
you got?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
What job you got? Bitch? What what promotion you got? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (56:36):
I'm gonna be that motherfucking girl. Miss can't be fuck with,
bitch and I can't be stopped. I can't be blamed.
I can't be tamed.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Period period, bitch period, bitch period period. Ah, we did it,
Ben it be bitch, beat it, I beat it and
then Benny, Oh my god, So niece, I want to
tell you I heard you loud and Claire. I want
(57:09):
to tell you.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I'm glad that we did our interview without throwing anybody
under the bus.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
It's not needed.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
It ain't listen, we got the same type of energy.
I ain't finna throw no names in the air. I'm
not trying to look for no messing place. This ain't
this ain't the place to be missed.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
We outlaw. We just tell we're telling the story.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
I ain't trying to pick and see who you pres
who you got pressure with, because at the beginning, middle,
the end of the day. You ain't got pressure with nobody.
I ain't got pressure with nobody, but just got pressure
pressure with me and themselves, pressure cookers. It need to
be pressure washed with they dirty ass.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
I'm sorry, I mean you so dumb. Oh my god.
I just want to say thank you so much for coming,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
You are I am your fan. I'm going to forever
support you. I'm going to share your ship. I want
you to be to the top. I don't give a
fuck how what the top. I want you to be
to the top, to the to the moon, Alice, bitch,
to the moon, to the moon. I want you to
be up there.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I want I want you to be rich. I want
you to thrive. I want you to continue to exist.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
I want you to continue to blaze trails because the
torch it's burning and you running with it, bitch, because
I still got a torch in my motherfucking hand.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, yes, I still got a torch in my hands.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yes, but that don't mean I can't lean over and say, bitch, Niice,
Teddy's holes up, Teddy's holes up. I'm so proud of
you said yes, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it
every time, and I want to. I want to give
you your flowers as well, because, like you said, uh,
even the time when I reached out and I called
you that you just and I never knew that that
(59:02):
did something for you. And so that makes my heart
smile to hear you say that, because you are definitely
one of the pioneers. Regardless just because you trains, You're
still the pioneers for the gay voice as well. Yeah
it's not even just your trans community, you know what
I'm saying. We one of the people. You one of
(59:23):
the first that we've seen, bitch. We all had Twitter, yeah, bitch,
we all watched you know, it was in the sights,
and so I always am like, oh my god, like.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
This is twenty two inches. Yeah, no way, And I'm
like we here today at I Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, with your own podcast podcast, even taking a podcast
from your house where you first even I think you
first booked booked me, bitch, yes to come to your house,
and we was doing your podcast down huge fucking house.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Houses is still huge. Oh shit, I got bigger.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
But even why just every time I just see your elevation,
I'm like, this lady cannot be fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Me and y'all bitch is y'all like, we can't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
She can't her life can't be them, We can't act
like ts Madison, not the one and not one of
the ones, at least every time I turn around, bitch
songs with Beyonce. You was just in the Tyler Perry movie.
You just always doing great things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
When I'm at the BMA's chuntie right there beside me, bitch,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
What I'm saying, and all of the things, and so
you know what I'm saying, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And even me being a gay boy, like I said,
watching TV RuPaul and stuff like that, but coming into
my lady years.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And seeing okay, like you know, okay, is this a
key or whatever?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Maybe it's her little character, and then watching the elevation
Year at the Year at the Year, at the Year
at the I'm like, oh, but I got yes, And
you put it in their face and every time time
and and and when you when your star blew up,
I saw me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yep. That's why I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
M hm, I love you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I love you, girl. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
People don't know, like people don't know. That's that's that's
what it's about. That's the importance. That's what it is about,
and the importance of it, like you don't just do
it for yourself. And ten years from now, five two,
(01:02:08):
somebody gonna be laying it down on the table saying, bitch,
thank you. Yep, and you can look back and see
all the all your flowers, like y'all my flowers. When
I see y'all grow and be huge stars and stuff
like that, y'all are all my seeds that I put
in the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I'm so so happy. I'm so happy. Yeah, I don't
even know how to really explain it. I'm so happy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
If I died tomorrow, I know that my existence lives
lives on, and we're gonna carry y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Bitch, I live. You got me a crime pregnant, about
to lose this baby. Ladies and gentlemen, this.
Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Has been the Outlaws Podcast with my motherfucking favorite these
saucest Sentana Center you walking back any time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I love this, Yes, and I love the name. Yes,
the Outlaws, Outlaws All y'all did we do good?
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Oh my god, y'all got you got me crying so
many times behind the shades. They just dig and I
keep catching them right here. For real name y'all over here?
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Oh my god, that was a lot. Yes, oh oh
did we do with good? Tyler?
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Okay, y'all got these ghetto Florida asked, do I get
my pussy? You know, I set it up to what
you did. I wanted you to know that I didn't
want this. I didn't want to focus on any negative.
(01:03:58):
You know, we're here, so we so even when we
were trying to say, yeah, we said it and if
you can use your contest clues, okay. Outlaws is a
production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle
Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece,
I'm your host Tias Madison. We are executive produced by
(01:04:21):
Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison. Our supervising producer
is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are Joey pat and
Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz and our
sound editor is just Crimechic. Our associate producer is Trent
high Tower Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.
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Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merrit. Our show
art is by Pablo Montana got you next week, honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win tes b b b D bed
bum yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick hoon chasing.
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I'm black like that. He sbout living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. All right, y'all, this
is T. S. Medisine coming to you loudlive, and and color.
Is it on?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is this thing recording?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I would like to welcome you back to the Outlaws
podcast with T. S.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Madison.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now, I want y'all to know that this podcast is loud,
liveing and color like TS. I'm by myself. I don't
have a co host because I know a lot of
y'all be talking about old girl. She can't do nothing.
I know co hosts or whatever will grow she can't do.
I don't have a co host. This is the place
where I get the opportunity to bring my friends, my family,
and you guys would like to just hear me up
(01:18):
and we just chop it up. And the reason why
we call this show Outlaws is just reminder is because
the people that I have on this show some way,
fashion or form. You know, it's kind of put in
an outlaw position or either put in an outlaw position,
or they're always wanted. And speaking of always wanted, I
(01:41):
want to let you guys know, I'm so excited today
because my guest today is.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Someone who I am so proud of.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Like I'm I'm probably gonna be like fangirling over here, girl,
but I'm so proud of. They're a libra. They're successful,
they're amazing, They're a trendsetter. They are from flord Rita
like the dog and soul. You know, they are just
(02:13):
a bad bitch all the way around. Ladies, gentlemen, please
put your hands together for sauces. Got a freedom to
the microphone. Two baby, my niece, Santano, baby, Let let
me ask you this before we begin. Satana, you know
(02:33):
I call you called your niece from day one? What
are your what are your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Pronouns? What are your pronounces? My pronouns are he? Him?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I feel like, uh, I don't know if the pronouns
is maybe like a new thing. I feel like now
has been like a topic of conversation. I just feel
like if you see a boy, clearly that's a boy,
and you know, when you see a girl, clearly that's
a girl.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I just go off. Look, so that's part of the
reason why I keep my beard.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot of people ask like, why you just won't
cut the beard off. You got nails, you were lashes,
you were here identify as a boy. So it's like,
when you see me, you clearly can see I'm a boy.
I'm just a bad bitch.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So I get it. And I feel like in our culture,
what people don't understand is when we know that you
a girl, we're gonna address you as a girl. Yes,
so I think that's only something that uh, we understand
who's the girl. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What I don't like is when I have people miss
gender me as she or her, and then you will
see one of my trans girls who is the fish
uh huh completely tuna, And because you want to be funny,
oh him, I mean her? Oh he she that looked
(03:57):
like a full motherfucking woman. It's nothing when you look
at this, when you looked at this trans girl, it's
nothing that gave he him or nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So how dare you be like, oh he, I mean she,
and then see me and be like, oh she heard her? Bitch?
Cut it? Got it?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So basically, you identify as he and him. You you
go with so you you you identify as cis gender
gay man, see the cis gender all this, I'm a boy, damy.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Like I am a boy. Well that's what that means.
That's what it means. So so so basically I want
to know, am I okay to say? Because we're family.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So yeah, see that's why I said we in our world,
we know you calling me niece and you calling me girl.
That's because I'm a girl. Yeah, giddy y'all. But it's
like something that we understand. But to the world, Yes,
I'm here, I'm he him, I'm not them dad, I
ain't she her bitch.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I am he him, I'm a boy. Okay? All right?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh now that I know that, and I think that
that in this climate that we're in right now, with
this political climate that we're in, I think it's very
important that we don't erase anyone's identity because you know,
the President of day president, you know, told everybody with
the stroke, I'm going to get rid of this transgender
(05:21):
lunacy and what that did?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know? In my ears?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Tell the world that we know, we're we're not validating
any anybody else's identity. It's only this or the other
when they don't even know how how biology works. The
sex is there's male, there's female, and then there's intersects gender.
You can it's the way you identify. There's there's a man, woman,
(05:46):
non binary, it's it's a spec of identities. And so
I think that it's it's important that we disrespect It
don't cost nothing to respect nobody. Yeah, n we done
got that motherfucking ship out the wait man. I'd like
to know your origin story. I want to talk a
(06:08):
little bit about what was an experience or source of
inspiration or a Eureka moment, like an epiphany that shaped, uh,
the path that you're on today. What made Saucy Santana
because you know, because you know, the screets had said that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The Ceedy Girls made Santano.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But I seen Santana before I saw you, know, I
saw I saw you on social media were you were
allowed live and in color yep. I like to take
it back to all the way from the bikini and
a feel like I always tell this story.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I remember I literally grew up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Watching Rupa's Drag Race and it was Royal Housewives of
Van Nanta at the time, and seeing Derreck j and
Miss Lawrence and watching RuPaul's drag race and seeing men
get into drag and become the bitch or appearance.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wise, and I was like, I was just so fascinating
and I was so like, bitch, this how I be feeling.
But I didn't know you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I didn't know, like you know, it was a space
for that bitch. I'm in a in a country town, Perry, Florida,
beach in the hood. Like you know what I'm saying,
I don't walk outside and see this, Like you can't
go outside to be that fucking boat. And so I
think that's where like what kind of helped me as
far as my identity. When I was seventeen, I started
(07:46):
wearing girl clothes, I started wearing makeup, going to stores.
You know what I'm saying, boosting I mean, And you
know what's so funny is that you say seventeen because
I started transitioning at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And when I to a lot of the girls, like
a lot of the black girls, A lot of the
black girl's story is like I found myself around seventeen,
Like I found like this because I saw something or
you know, and I couldn't explain what I was, but
I saw something that was like and you said yours
was RuPaul's Drag Race and Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Mine was, and not because you know, I'm just a
couple of days all of the year, but mine was.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In nineteen ninety two, there was a movie that came out.
It was called The Crying Game, and the character was
Deal and so in the movie, the big AHA moment
was aha, Aha, it's a trans Take some time and
(08:48):
watch this called The Crying Game. So I think the
guy named was Fergus. He was kissing her on the
mouth in her room and she undressed and her robe
fell off and he kiss and he and the camera
panned all the way down from her little titties and
then pum pumping over it, and we saw and he
saw her dick and growl like the movie theater gag,
(09:11):
like everybody just gagged at the moment. And I was like,
mm hmm, that was the for me. RuPaul is not
me because RuPaul takes it off. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. I was like, this me, that's my AHA moment.
And so so what I'm hearing you say your aha
(09:33):
moment was like, oh, we's drag race, the girls get
in and they get out, get out grim Missus Lawrence
and Derrick Jay Gir they.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Pumping through in heel yes, and so this is me
got it yeap?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So those were That's okay, and that was that was like,
you know, and in my early stages, and I just
always feel like throughout uh my, you know, once I
became Saucae and even before being sausage an Town, he.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Was always I was always authentic to myself.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So I remember being a Bengie Cunt girl trapping in
the hood with all the rest of the boys getting
ran out of the well, trying to run me out
the trap, having an argument, niggas having a pull up
because I'm in the trap with a two piece song
My Jordan's not out on Hurst Bitch by Nick Minaja,
serving selling and trapping more than every nigga out there
(10:27):
selling selling. So for those of you who are listening
to this podcast and you don't know what's serving, listen,
we got this Benchie count on here today today, this
you with me, You with me, It's Beedie Cunt on
here today. So for the younger, the serving means selling,
dop thank you selling. Do you know what I'm saying,
(10:49):
like I sold Coolie backing today seeing town of sol
dope and but and so I always say games have superpowers.
One of the advantages was when the boys of some
mad because when the police would ride through, I don't
appear to.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Be doing what y'all doing, right, they think I might
have stuning gucci.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And so the boys is man, they like this motherfucker
I here making the top motherfucking dollar and.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Y'all just ride past him. Thank you, Ah perst full,
I think.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And what I'm hearing you say, which you're backing up
a lot of things that I say on social media
because I always feel that we are God's anointed queens.
I've always felt that we are God anointed because look
at you going from selling dog trapping.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
In the hood with Bengi nils, Yes, boasting booster, stealing clothes.
God did it? You know what I'm saying, Like you
were just you were trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yes, And I don't think that people really understand as
a queen and as a as a as a black queen,
the way that you have to survive in the environment
in which your place. Yes, and to this is why
we This is why I got. We got so much
love for each other because it's just like we mirror
(12:13):
reflections of each other. God protected you. God, So any
listener out there, of people watching, I want you to
know that God protects his girls. Yes, just know that
God protects his girls. No matter what y'all think about us.
God protects his girls. Because one thing I've learned in
(12:37):
this life is that God does not call the qualified.
He qualifies the call your story. You're trapping, you know you.
He meant for you to be a rapper. He meant
for you to minister through music. He meant for you
(12:58):
to do this thing because all the things we're going
on in your life is a part of the story
that you tell in your music.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, yep, that's I think.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think that's why being authentic is so important because
you just never know who you touching, and you never
know even even even if people can't relate necessary necessarily
to your story, you just don't know the healing that
you could bring to people. So how much healing I've
(13:27):
brought through being myself. When I first came out the DMS,
I get like, Wow, I always wanted to wear nails,
but I got a beard.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I didn't think I could do that.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Wow, I wanted to wear a two piece, but I'm
kind of on the heavier side. I was not as confident. Wow,
I want to do this, Santana.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How do you walk out the house? How do you
not care? I'm like, girl, I gotta make myself happy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's like it's to me, it's no feeling than being free,
and it's no easier way to live than to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's literally like one, two three.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't got time to wake up and try to
be like this bitch, that bitch, this bitch, this hole,
this hole.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I can only be Santanna. That's see it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And I'm proud of what I have accomplished by being Santana,
even just recently with me being on Love and Hip
Hop and bringing my mom on their and you know,
sharing the story of you know, just how me growing
up as a gay boy and kind of me and
my mom relationship kind of you know, fell off because
(14:28):
her as a mom. You know, sometimes they just and
I see you had the similar story. They just can't
come to grass. So they just couldn't get it. So
it was a time where I had to walk away
from MoMA, Like girl, I don't give a fuck what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yep, I'm gonna be that girl and bitch is gonna
take it and leave it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And I went through a lot of struggle in my
mama always like grown people say care themselves.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Bitch bye, that's it, watched it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I got out there and got in the field, and
I've done a lot of things, you know. And of
course with me being in feminine girl younger at that age,
and you know our culture, and you know, I grew
up around a lot of trans girls, and it was
the time when I was eighteen I thought that I
wanted to be trans.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And so you know, getting out on the back page.
You're not doing so pussy too. Ain't no wrong with that,
and you know, but just be just a hustler, just
being just being a hustler.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Raight, Hey, you got that, Let me get it. You
want that, I got what you need. Tell the man
with the money to come in here and pay me, yes, pitch,
put it right here, puty right here. So what I'm
(15:42):
what I'm telling, what I'm hearing you say in your
story is that you you You've done everything to survive,
everything to survive. And I want people listening and watching
to know how we are still connected to God. Yep,
every time I hear you say, I thank God for
when he put me. God did this and then that,
(16:03):
because you know that your story. This is my question,
when did you know that your life was bigger than you?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think once I became.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Like it started becoming the height of kind of saucy Santana,
and I started just really seeing the dms, the the
in person conversations, me doing shows and people.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Are crying yeah, and I'm like, girl, it's just me. Yeah, oh,
ghett a a hood bitch, like.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And and even and even I'm so authentic to myself
that I'm like, what, I'm not doing nothing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And I had to sit back and real, guys, you
know what, this ain't even about me no more. And
so to the point where like, and I always say
this with with girl, I come out to cry. I
always say this with my with with music, Like I
never want to be the queen or even though you
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know I do call myself the queen. I mean, you know,
but I'm a confident bas I'm to my own horn.
But I never want to be the queen or I
never wanted to stop at me. I feel like the
space that I occupy and hip hop has not been
done from what the fuck I've seen, and so I
don't want it to stop at me. I want us
to be able to go to these award shows and
(17:41):
it's best LGBT artist, and I want after if I
decided because I'm a star bitch, I could rap, I
could do movies, I could do commercials. I could be
your live screaming bitch. I can have a podcast, I
can do whatever the fuck I want. And so if
the reason what keeps me going in music is I
want this is to be regular. I don't want it
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to be a space where Saucy Santana stops rapping and
oh remember we had Santana and after that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It wasn't done again. I want all the girls to
be able to come, just like nowadays.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
How music is so different nowadays, but you get you
a hit, blow up on TikTok or whatever the case is,
and you start shriving, you get signed to a record
label and and some shit just easy.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
That that that is for men and or or straight
girls and straight boys.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I want the next ten gay bi rappers to get
on the internet day get a hit day, get a
record deal.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I did it. I did it. I did it all. Yeah,
and I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Be the same way for us and just even me
occupying TV spaces, the spaces that you occupy, everything that
we do.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I want this, I want I want it to be normal.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I see we've came a long way because now almost
everything you cut on a movie got a gay character,
a gay auntie, a trance something.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's gay and everything now, which I love, and I
wanted to keep being like that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so once I realized the impact and the influence
that I had, everything that I do is fort it's
for the gaze. Literally everything I'm not doing shit. I'm
not shooting a movie without without no gays in it.
I ain't shooting up the music video I'm in without
no gays. I'm not doing nothing that don't include lgbt Q,
(19:28):
I whoever else y'all want to include, as long as
they're under iye, BROTHERER so literally I get.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Uh inquiries, interviews, Can you do this? Can you do that? Yeah?
What a money? Yeah? What's up with my coin?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
T S said immediately yes, Then can I get gleam down?
I'll come how I do it. I'm coming. I'm showing
up for my people.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, and that's important. And I think that we're in
emotional space with that because we knew how people keep
stuff for us and how we had to circumnavigate around
and and and And I'm not saying that we use
the City Girls or we use Kanya or we use
(20:10):
it at our light. Yeah, our presence, you know what
I'm saying. Our influence made that because you and Karsha
used to be doing your lives whatever. And it kind
of happened like right after me and Kanya split up,
and I said, and I remember I messaged you and
I said, niece, y'all is Queen's cord two point oh?
(20:36):
Keep going and naturally, yep, y'all Queen's court two point oh,
and just having fun, keep going. People don't know that
we was gonna We was gonna get there anyway, regardless.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If you and Karresha would have been together or not.
You was gonna get there. Yes, me and Kya being
together or not.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It was only because it was it was it was
in the car because we're blazing trails for people and
we're thinking about I don't want to be the last
one to do this. I want to keep the doe
in and tell the girls come on, come on, come on,
come on, come through.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know shit. It's just this is why.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Anytime we're doing shows and stuff like that, like like
I do on my other show, I don't let nobody
get on there and say nothing about you.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't cover.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Stories about you, or I'll find somewhere if we're talking
about you, I find some type we'll be like nah, yeah,
I don't like that, and I'm not doing I don't
We're not having this kind of conversation because I see
so much of me. Yes, I see me, and it's
just like you gotta understand. God put us in these
positions to move stuff for our community. And our community
(21:49):
is LBGTQ i A, but our community is also black.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes. I just seen that. You said that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I seen a clip that on TMZ. Yes, and I
was like she just never seemed to amaze me, like
this really mind team. That was something that got misconstrued
before when Black Lives Matter was going on and me
and Cliff, my friend Cliff Emir had did or we
(22:19):
thought it was protesting with the people, and I said
on my sign.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
All lives matter.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And I guess at the time all lives matter was
supposed to be pertaining to white people, well it would
include Yeah, I guess to the masses. For me, when
I was saying all lives matter, that means since y'all
saying Black lives matter, all of these black lives, these
(22:50):
trans girls that die and nobody don't give a fuck,
Nobody cares to find out who did it, what happened.
These black gay boys that go to school and get
bully for being gay and go home and hang themselves
and go home and cut themselves and don't have an
outlet at home to talk to our parents. All the
trauma that happens within the black gay community. That's what
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the fuck matters too, Because how do y'all write that
we black? It's crazy to see and and and I'm
so glad that you're here to speak to this as well.
It's so crazy to see that we occupy space. Is
a big visibility. And then they'll say, oh, that black community,
and then they're like, Okay, well that's them. It's like, no,
that's us, that's us. Because a win for us, it's
(23:36):
two wins. It's a win for black and.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's a win for queens.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes, so you should be celebrating all the way around, Like,
don't don't think that, because I think that what happens
when we come in and say, well, we're we're gay,
or we're trans. Oh that's them over there. We become other.
And when you other something, you take away, you strip
it from every other fabric of inclusivity that you're a
(24:03):
part of. I told somebody yesterday, I said, girl, I'm
pro black and trans because I'm black and trans at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yes, I can't be one and then the other. Because
if you ask me to be pro.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Black and I get out there and I'm fighting the
war against white supremacy, let's say we win it. I
got to keep my shield up because now I got
to turn and fight the same people that I was
fighting with, yes, because they don't want me to have access,
They don't want me to have inclusion, they don't want
(24:40):
me to have freedoms, they don't want me to have
that because you've reduced me, You've minimized me to my identity,
and that's unfair. And I think the people out there,
especially our listeners of color, it is unfair for y'all
to to other us when we are in the extreme
fight to tear down white supremacy. We're in that fight.
(25:03):
We're we're in the fight to tear that ship down.
And so when you other us, you you actually weaken
your blow. You weaken your blow. This is why it's
important for me to tell you I'm your fan. I'm
you're a fan, Santana. I download all your music. I
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can go through my phone, play a bitch getting ready. Bitch,
you know what I'm saying. I download all your stuff.
I have all your things because I want you to thrive.
I want you to thrive. I want you to be rich.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Bitch, I'm rich.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I want you to be rich. I want you to
be I want this for you. I want this for
you because you're black. I want this for you because
of your identity. I want this for you. I want
you to have this stuff. I want you to be great.
I want to support shows. I want to do this
stuff you because it's a win for all of us.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
A call the board.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's important when I'm talking to drag Race and I'm saying, girl,
I want I who I want? Who is my judge
that i'd like to judge it? I want send Town
of you know what I'm saying. I want my girls
to come. I want Miss Lawrence, I want I want
my girls to come up here and special guests and
stuff like that, because these are pioneers in our community,
community that have you know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And I want them to win. I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want it to be to be known, you know.
And it's not taking away from anybody that's not a
person of color. It's just that we understand how difficult
it is to get on and then not just to
get on, to stay on, and how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The fighting against our own people.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, it hurts, and especially with us because like you said,
you're gonna be fighting for this and then gotta turn
It's like with us, we already black and gay, and
we gotta fight against being black, and then we gotta
turn around and fight our LGBT.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Community too, Yeah as well.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And I and and that ship really breaks my heart
because I'd be like, everything that I'm fucking doing, it's
for y'all, it's for us.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's for us, it's for us.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And and but I say especially y'all because if I
feel like I'm already a pioneer and I already have
opened certain.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Doors I don't think that I'm bigger than the program. Bitch.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's certain doors that I are kicked up, But bitch,
I need I need one last kick that knocked that
bitch off the hinge.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So girl, come help me. Bull those here, y'all come
boom and now it's down.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And bitches really don't be getting that because everybody want
to be that girl. Everybody want to be the queen
or Oh, I ain't even a fan out over that bitch.
That ain't nobody I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm saying it out. I've seen our last week in
a club. Ain't nobody else.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Girl's standing there and we seeing her. Shouldn't be having
us screen.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm saying it out. I am that girl. Yes, I can't.
I can't be fucked with you can't take it away
from Yes, And I know you he send across for
you get because you know that's what I give.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know I'm able to tell them and when and
when and when I see that, I'm gonna respect. Another
girl asked that girl as such, and a bitch and
a bitch ain't gonna play with none of mine.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, you know, I'll call you. Why does holl keep
playing with your because I'm about to fall out with her.
I've been trying to pay you. Yeah, and I've seen
that sad girl.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
She was like why you know?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was like, oh, you're playing with my TV one
too many times, playing horse stro games like girl.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
And here's the thing. When when we ain't gonna call
we're not giving names to the we don't know what
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But when we when when when you're when you have
your time, We've been supportive.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I have me too.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
We've been part of and it's just like, girl, I
wouldn't put you in a position like you like you
put me in. This what brings me to this next
part right here, it's called the villain era. Now, let's
(29:03):
get into.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Your villain era. Now.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know, every outlaw gets labeled the bad guy at
some point, and often when we're just trying to live
our lives in truth to do our best. Now, your
villain era could be a time you stopped people pleasing,
a time you stood up for yourself. Maybe you made
a mistake, or maybe you did something that sparked some controversy.
(29:28):
What was your villain era and what did.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You learn from it? I think that my villain era
was definitely my Twitter era. I think that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Back in the day, well, it's the shit is still
the same people Dad asked, will still just troll and
write hateful comments and then when you check them while
you were spinning like, bitch, i'all love you. I ain't
think you was gonna see that. Yeah, Or you know
right now everything is for a hits or I'm for
the commed this under the shade room, or I'm fin
(30:03):
the comment this because if if the bitch respond back
to me, I'm gonna be on a shame room in
the morning. And so I think, especially being like a
younger gay, I grew out of that a lot. But
back in the days which it was about reading the
girls for fucking blood, and I remember that's what me
and my friends used to do in high school. That's
(30:25):
just all we just was ripping bitches to shreds. And
so I think I made a lot of comments that
were me, that were rude, that were distasteful. I was
not famous then. I did not think I was gonna
be famous for nobody.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I did not even know you knew you were gonna
be famous. I never thought I was gonna be famous.
You know what, I always thought.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I thought I was just gonna be a makeup artist
and at the most of celebrity makeup artist. I did
not think that I was gonna be famous. Now I
knew I was always a star. I knew that I
was always likable. I knew I was I was always trendy.
People follow behind everything I did. I did not think
that I was gonna be famous. I didn't even care
if I want to be some other fucking money right,
So not, I'm not thinking that ten years later I'm
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gonna be famous and people gonna come back and see
all this shit I was talking. And so I think
now that I hold myself accountable, now that I know
I'm still one hundred percent me, I'm still one hundred
percent myself. I'm still you know, authentic, and I'm still
gonna feel how I feel.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But now I know how to feel how I feel.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Over the phone, I'm gonna pick up my phone, Mick, Kris,
you gonna get on to find the one and say, girl, you.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Seen what's the name? Dad? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Look the mess yesterday at the bm ma's grin was corning,
so motherfucker man out. We're still gonna read. We're still
gonna keep. But it's a space for that because I
got a responsibility and me being who I am, I
gotta watch my worst. I gotta watch what I say,
and I have to watch what I put out there,
even as far as I don't even I don't even
like to getting people business when I don't follow blogs
(31:58):
already because I just feel like it's much. It just
be too much drama and negativity. But even when I
see stuff in the blogs, I don't get on the
internet with my opinion. I don't make YouTube video because
that's how I have to fall out with bitches. I
don't make YouTube videos about the next bitch business. I
don't comment under posts and and and and different things
like that. And if you are in a podcasting kind
(32:19):
of space, I will give you a pass if your
podcast is something serious for me to take. Bitch, don't
just get your ass on the internet talking shit. Bitch,
and you ain't got nowhereal platform.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
But you know what I'm saying. I see a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I see so much of other celebrities and socializes just
in comments and and and just being certain.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm like, girl, you could have called your homegirl said that.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Now I don't like you. And when I see you
at the VT, where is you know something I happen. Yeah,
so you know what I'm saying. I learned that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know, bitch, we gotta everybody gotta responsible for their
mother fucking out.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, so what's what you say? What you say? Just
because I ain't in the comments riding the beach, I
see what you said. I saw you.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Somebody screens to me and I gaged so many girls
they'd be like, oh swerve, yeah and.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You got five second. Yeah. I don't like what you said.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
What I don't play because you could have missed and bitch,
you got close proximity to me. You could have said
something to me. Yes, that I remember, and I'm not
going to bring up because that's our private thing. But
I want to talk about what I respect about you.
I remember when I was in New York. It was
there was during a Pride week in New York and
and something was going on at the time, and you
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call me, and I'm going to tell you how good
it made me feel. You call me and you said, Auntie,
how I handle this? You said, Auntie, how do I
handle this? I took a moment. I don't want to
(33:53):
be emotional because people don't give me, give me the
things like like you know, not not like that they should,
but like people be trying to act like that. I
don't have no as much ship that I am fout
for our community, you know what I'm saying. So it
be feeling a way like how they try to just bend.
Oh that bit chang that bit chain doing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Now, bitch, I have And when you call me and
you say, Auntie, how do I handle this?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I paused for a moment, and I said to myself,
all right, bitch, you are an elder.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Your girls look to you.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They may be in the world doing they they doing
their thing and being big superstars and stuff like that,
but your girls know your your girls know your place,
your position. You call me, and when we talked that
ship through and we had our power, MoMA, know that
you move just like that like I told you that girl,
you know what I'm saying. And I remember, I do
remember me telling you this, and I want I want
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everybody to listen. I remember to your presence is my advocacy.
I will never forget that and my mother fucking life
And still to this day, I even tried to explain
that to other girls that they still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And so now when I back away from certain things
or I shy away from certain things, and they'd be like,
I'll be like, I'm here. Yeah, I did what I could.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You know, I did what I was supposed to. And
I remember, I remember the incident. I want to touch
on it, you do.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think that was when I was in New York
and that this incident you're talking about is when I
had that show in Dallas. And I think that's what
I called you by, right?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Was it to Jean Dallas? It was that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But then the tweets too. It was a tweet okay, yeah,
and it was and it was just about you know,
how I seen our community.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm like, okay, I get.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Everybody else being mad, but you know, y'all, we know,
we know what what was in our world and just reading.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
And you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I'm not saying nothing that I didn't see a thousand
other gays say as well, you know, behind me, and
just for a bitches a turn or or just everybody
was like, yes, this bitch about to get canceled, she
about to go down. I have.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm like, what I like and even and it regardless
how fucked up. I didn't say nothing foreign, nothing like.
I didn't make that up.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm saying, what the fuck y'll bit you're saying, I'm saying,
what the fun I'll see all over the internet we
all saying the same shit.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And so just to see how quick my community was
to get that bitch up out of here, I was like.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I call my tea, because how you deal with this?
Because I'm ready to say fuck everybody? Fuck now, I'm
ready to crash out.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
You know, and I told you don't. I will never
forget what you tell me. Never don't. Because you your.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Trajectory, your path. Anybody that has a position will be
met with opposition. I want you to remember that anybody
that has a position will be met with opposition. You
be met with opposition on all sides. The people you're
fighting against and the people you're fighting for. The people
(37:24):
you're fighting against and the people that you're fighting for,
you'll be met with the opposition.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Your duty and your responsibility is to exist.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Exist because your constant existence, your constant perseverance, your constant movements,
let them know how unshakable we are. Yes, period, regardless
of this little it's like a speed bumpy air pocket turbulence.
You're still on that flight, bitch, first class.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Standing on be this.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
So now this makes me move to the area of
our show. It's called rebel with a cause. Now this
show is called Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
For a reason.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
An outlaw or a pariah in our culture, it's often someone,
ironically that has a heart in the right place, and
you have the courage to speak up and stand out,
and you push back when it matters to most. Now,
the guests on this show, the Outlaws, are some of
the voices of our time. They are rebel hearts who
are challenging the status quo and making a difference. Sentana,
(38:44):
tell me about a cause you care deeply about that
drives you with passion, and how others can join the movement.
No fatsn fing, no fats, no films. I remember being
(39:07):
a littora.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm jacked and the Black Girls is on, Jack, I
didn't playing with grind and all. I love grinding. Thank
you for going, But you know we was out Jack
and what was the other one?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
B B B GC? In high school?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
So I remember the first thing you us see was
no fats, no films.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
The boys didn't they didn't want to hear. And it
turned me to the trade because trying to deal with
it was really the gay boys who was no fats,
no films, and so it turned me to the trade.
And I went through a lot of heartbreak.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
A lot of death resims and just feeling love about
myself having to deal with these you know, download men
that they ain't even fucking sure of themselves, got families
at home, wives at home, and at this time I'm
just being a hot little girl, so fuck up for free?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
After once the trade broke my heart, that's when I
started sayings money, tell the men of the money to
come in here and pay me.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I know how that's gonna go. Just be thine if
I should on the dressed it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
But I would turn to that because I felt like
I could not have love or affection or sex or
whatever the case is. Where am I where people in
my community? So you want to gay sex?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah? I want?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I wanted to be with a boy. And I'm like, why,
I'm grown now. I have been into the gay scene.
I have been in the gay clubs. I see that
as like other little gay boys. That's asking in the
que the little butcher wings and all my you know,
like you know, I'm like, you know, I would I
would have if I have to.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I'd rather just be comfortable with my people. Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So, for for those of you that are listening and
watching that may be confused, Santana is saying, I'm tired
of sleeping with the trade, the de the dal trade,
because I because I did. I like through high school,
it was it was already trades and stuff. So by
the time I get older and now I'm going to
gay clubs and I'm seeing the gay people, and that's
(41:29):
the whole gay world out here.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You wan real love? Yeah, I call hunch a gate boy.
It's no teating. We won't real love.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I could go, yeah, I could, I could go a
top a verse or whatever. The how would however to
say it's gonna be work. You know, that's how it's
going down. So I'm like, I went through just so
much bullshit with just fucking these trades, and these nigga
ain't no good. These niggas ain't even sure their self.
So sometimes a nigga, but the fuck you good? You
you did one times? You young yount love bit she
(41:55):
never has the phone again. Yeah, you're thinking to put
your hand on that whole time here and his hair
ready to kill stuff because yeah, D And it's just
like I went through so much of that bullshit and
it just made me like I always be and myself.
I always been confident. I always been Santana. I always
(42:15):
been reshied to the core. And one thing that I
always loved about my people that knew me before I
was famous, I had I cut that ship a long
time ago. Hey baby, we're not finna keep doing all this.
The girls to femin and the girls to this bitch.
If I if I like a nigga, that's how it's going,
(42:36):
I'm going to bad. I can watch this, but y'all
got charmed. You can't buy the ship in the stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You're a libra like period.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
So I remember, and I and I still got I'm
still got niggas from back in the days, which still
on my motherfucking body saying.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Came in them same niggas.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And I just.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Remember even see back then, and I and I didn't
even pay attention.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I didn't really see it then, but my small circle
of friends or either the little girls that knew me
from the gaumin Andy be like, bitch, how you be
bagging them niggas? They don't understand that libramagic how we rich?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I don't know, bitch, and I ain't paying. It's beritch.
I ain't gotta go on my motherfucker heartitch.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I'm cussing these fun niggas out kick niggas at a
four o'clock in the one to get my house inside.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like and so I just I love that now, and
I still think the gag still trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like when you see a bigger girl or feminine girl
with somebody, you think that they gotta pay.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Just like, just like what's going on now? You know
me and my bodyguard, we be moving around they and
you know.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
TC is at the bodyguard. I mean, yeah it was rached.
Wasn't Whitney Houston and Caracaun the hell a body guard?
So y'all, y'all see me and my body moving around
and they thinking like, he's a secure man. I have
to tell you that he's a very secure man. He's heterosexual,
he got his he got kids. But people see and
(44:09):
they thinking like, oh, well, there's no possible way that.
Oh she m she got money, so she must be
paying him. You'll pay him to do his job. Yeah,
his job is to guard my body, because this body
is worth a lot to be guarded and everything else
that goes to be mine. I'm not I'm not denying
or I'm not confirming. Just know that he there, and
(44:32):
just know that you can't get in there like you
think you can.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, that's it. But the thing about it is, it's
just like, oh, go to go to the women. Oh
he's straight, he don't want her. How you know that?
Oh she fat, he don't want her. How you know that?
How you know that? How you know that? Is it?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Because the perception is no fat no fim no fat
no fag no fat no. So I'm I'm honest with
you saying like, bitch, I'm tired of this. We were
finna get this, no fat no field shit way, not
the way.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And then when y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
See me because a lot of the I'm not gonna
hold you, a lot of the men that I talked
to him, and that's part of the roster.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I'm the only girl like myself that be on a roster. Period.
Bitch period.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Back gags the girls as well, period because they like, okay,
well you can't do what I do.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
All the rest of the boys, he dad like, I do,
thank you. You can't do what I do. You can't
do what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
They be like, but this bitch is the I'm the
only time and bitch after me. He will not go
back this way. He's gonna go back to what he's Girl,
you can't do what I get.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You a libroom, bitch, get you a libroom.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So the house really can't you know, they really can't take.
But then, and and and I feel like sometimes too,
and I want to stop doing this. All those I'm
breaking hearts enter process. You are.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yes, sometimes I have to really drag and.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Dog me a nigga, just for the bitches that think
I can't do it, or just for the bitches that
think it's some type of stipulation or or or girl,
this bitch which one pick one, bitch.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I don't mind. And so i'd be like, you know what,
I gotta start breaking these niggas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But you did, You just did it for sport. You
didn't really want them, Listen, I ain't really I'm like
I'm but but I really build genuine connections. I'm just
a genuine person. And so I already had real relationships
with you know dudes that I date, and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Damn tender. You could take it a little easy. What what, niece,
it's about?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Because we're libres and there's just what that's just in
our that's in our thing.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You know what I'm saying. It's in our thing.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Was like to test us, you know what I'm saying,
because they feel like they little better than us. They
find in us, and especially with us being feminine and fast.
Because I was talking to I love big sexy. Yeah
that's my baby. I love big sexy. And I started
dating one of his friends and he was like, he
(47:25):
called me, he said, sister, He said, do you know that?
My brother called me and he said, you know, y'all
have went out of stuff. And he was like, you know,
y'all had went to this restaurant. He was like, you
ordered a lot of stuff and and then y'all had
went like to the club afterwards, and you know, you
had ordered more stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And she was like, he said, you know, you kept
making him pay and I was like, yeah, haven't. She
was like, girl, you don't be buying this. I said, bitch,
what the fuck I'm sitting around in the nigga phoe
and I go on my purse.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Oh, I'm irritated, bitch, you don't even get the same
growing amouth bitch wants to have come. When I go
to any place, I already tell the lady, Hey, if
you ever seen me with a man, the chicks on him, bitch,
bring it to him, don't bring me no sair. And
it's not even because people are trying to be like, oh,
you're so shadow, that's how a nigga follow. It's not,
(48:22):
it's not it's not even about the first of all,
just be like, that's what a man supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
But you'll like to be cordy, yes, butch ain't. No,
look growing the mouth. You're a grown woman. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And at the same time, and I had, I had
it was so fun out of saying I said yes,
I said bitch, I said, see, that's a problem. Butch
just think that I'm staying around. Were sitting around paying niggas,
were saying around buying niggas because we're supposed to be fair,
we supposed to be feminine, britch, we got to buy
up bitch. No, I don't at all, No, I don't
bitch at all at all, I told a motherfucker that
(48:53):
I turned more niggas down the Visa American Express. That's
the car and Discover put together Hello. And you know
when you black beach, you put that on the car.
They turning your heads down.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
So this ship is by choice. Yes, I was like, nah,
I said, Na, that's not how I go now.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Of course, if I'm danging a boy or you know
what I'm saying, if I'm fucking with the nigga, of
course I can buy my niggas something.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
The matter.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
My thing is, you know I'm always judging nigga. I
ffire he come me, he get money. I get money too,
Like who trick on who? You know what I'm saying,
so and so I was gonna come there, But I
do not like when when And this is a thing
that makes me really upset every time I talk to
who to a nigga, is he was to me for
cloud or he broke a.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Badance with bitch. No, I'm a badass bitch and I
got and I got a personality of no other.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think that the most attractive part that people can't
take about. Confident confidence I have had. I have had
when I knew when I when I knew I was
that grow up. I have niggas like niggas I talk
to sometimes I might even think out of my motherfucker lead.
They'd be like, bruh yo, just I ain't never yo,
(50:00):
or I never I ain't never even, but I ain't
never talking to nobody like that.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I ain't never been shows us.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And to the point where I put confidence in my niggas,
I've seen it time and my nigga start acting like me.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
My nigga started dressing like me, bitch, my niggas start walking.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I'm like, yeah, bitch, billy, because of course, I you know,
I'm ast The ones that I date are masculine, you know,
because I need I need some masculine for the queen.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
But so you need a king for the for the queen. Yes,
I need a king for the queen.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
But still be yourself. I'm never going to strip you
of being a gay boy. Because of that case, I
would have stayed with the trade. I would have stayed
with it down on me. So that's basically what you
mean when you say that you want to date a
gay you want to date a gay man that's confident
in his masculinity, confident within himself and a man that's
(50:54):
not uh coming in saying okay, this is a this
a star, so I'm going to come up. I don't
need to post you. No, you don't need to be seen,
but we'll we don't gotta do none of that now
see me. Part of me being a dog walker. Posting
niggas was a part of my brand. When I came out.
I had all the beddest niggas, all the baddest porn stars,
(51:16):
all the beds niggas off the block, all everything I
did it on.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
They got me done done, undone it all.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Wait a minute, what done done? Done it all all?
And so that was a part of my brand is
to says, Tanna, gona have a new nigga. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
You know every day. But I'm a genuine person and
I'm observant.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
So if a nigga is even around me, and I
could and I could feel like your energy off, this
don't seem genuine.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It's it's around, it's clip no tea, and I won't
look back.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
So you know what I'm saying. We never doing that,
But I want you to be yourselves because you know,
and our gay world, we had up some games that
are like i'd like to say, lay like straight pleasers.
So you got some games. They'd be like, go ahead
with them with that fag and ship, or I don't
hang with them, baggage for them, Oh pick me, pick mees.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'd be like, you know you're gay.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
You do know you're homosexual, right, and you do know
that if they had to come in here and pick
us out, put all the games on the boat you
going on there? Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
How straight you look? How many tattoos is on your face?
How many tattoos is on your neck? Bitch, you're gay
and at the end of the night, you will put
a dick in here amount Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Wait nah, I don't want to be in your business, bitch.
Huh you get that's the first thing. Now, you know,
we grow up some say.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
For real, for real, but really had I have bumped too,
And I even have some some friends that I have
to be like, Yo, we are gay. We are part
of the same umbrella, like what you mean, And so
I want to allow my boyfriend to be confident in himself.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, when you be around.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
When you be around me, you're gonna naturally be masculine
because I'm feminine.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
So that's just just you being a man. You're gonna
be yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
But if you around your friends, if you know what's team, yes,
because out I'd have been talking to boys and then
I hear them on the phone when they friends, they friends,
be like since let me tell you, I'll be like,
he just got you, sus.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Nobody you know why he said that? Cuse you cause
your sus. Be yourself. I'm never gonna knock you for that. Now, bitch.
If we're in a club, don't bust out to do
the fucking chicken wing right now. Don't go to voge
Hill Yeah, bech slow down. But if we at home,
I might let you wall yeah wow yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Time for my favorite segment. It's called ban it, bitch. Now,
some people out here are banning drag shows, LBGTQ, plus
books and even our existence. But we're flipping the script.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world?
Now here's how it works. We each get one minute
to make our case for what needs to go. So
(54:28):
let me kick it off and show you how it's done.
I want to ban all put sass motherfucker holes that
feel some type of insecure way about me.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Let me tell y'all something. I want to ban you
bitches that scream out that y'all don't like the girls, bitch.
But y'all ain't got no pressure with the girls. You
do got pressure with the girls. And I mean you
gotcha that's sitting over there giving cunt giving fish giving
the things, girl, honey, But then you sitting over there
talking about something. Oh, my existence don't matter to you,
but it really does. I want to ban you, bitch.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm so tired of y'all sitting up here acting like
y'all standing on business and y'all not standing on business,
because if you was a real secure bitch, me being
anywhere that you ad angle wouldn't be no motherfucking problem.
I'm tired of y'all getting in the comments sections anytime
somebody posts me bitch with y'all nigga to comings and
then acting like you don't know who I am, bitch.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
I want a band you put the ass.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Oh, I want to bear all you put the assholes
bitch to add like that y'all don't know who a
girl is, bitch. But y'all be summer with your mouth
on me twisted up bitch like you gotta dick in it. Bitch,
I'm tired of you.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
I want to be bended, bitch. Bitch you band, thank you.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Real Florida shit right, Jesus this Jesus Florida fla the
mouse right here.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
It's right. Your house ain't standing on business, you bitches
is sitting on the bench. On the bench, bitch.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Bandit was I want to band, I think I want
to bean, I said it was gonna kind of be
in the same about go ahead, I want to I
second the band to the insecure bitches. I second the
band to the bitches projecting.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
I sacond now I'm second to me.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
I tell you, jealous bitchy, Yes, all my mad ass
bitches fuck them, jealous ass bitches. How on, That's just
what it is, because even if I like you, I
can still salute you, even if you are hating ass bitch.
I can still salute you, even if you know what
I'm saying you mad that it's not you. But I
see you, you thriving in whatever whatever you got going on.
I can still salute you, bitch. I ain't know jealous
(56:24):
because it's in me.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's not on me. Bitch. You can't fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
I can't be fuck with. I don't give a fuck
what you what's what's space you occupy? What movie role
you got?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
What job you got? Bitch? What what promotion you got? Bitch?
Speaker 2 (56:36):
I'm gonna be that motherfucking girl. Miss can't be fuck with,
bitch and I can't be stopped. I can't be blamed.
I can't be tamed.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Period period, bitch period, bitch period period. Ah, we did it,
Ben it be bitch, beat it, I beat it and
then Benny, Oh my god, So niece, I want to
tell you I heard you loud and Claire. I want
(57:09):
to tell you.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I'm glad that we did our interview without throwing anybody
under the bus.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
It's not needed.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
It ain't listen, we got the same type of energy.
I ain't finna throw no names in the air. I'm
not trying to look for no messing place. This ain't
this ain't the place to be missed.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
We outlaw. We just tell we're telling the story.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
I ain't trying to pick and see who you pres
who you got pressure with, because at the beginning, middle,
the end of the day. You ain't got pressure with nobody.
I ain't got pressure with nobody, but just got pressure
pressure with me and themselves, pressure cookers. It need to
be pressure washed with they dirty ass.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
I'm sorry, I mean you so dumb. Oh my god.
I just want to say thank you so much for coming,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
You are I am your fan. I'm going to forever
support you. I'm going to share your ship. I want
you to be to the top. I don't give a
fuck how what the top. I want you to be
to the top, to the to the moon, Alice, bitch,
to the moon, to the moon. I want you to
be up there.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I want I want you to be rich. I want
you to thrive. I want you to continue to exist.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
I want you to continue to blaze trails because the
torch it's burning and you running with it, bitch, because
I still got a torch in my motherfucking hand.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, yes, I still got a torch in my hands.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yes, but that don't mean I can't lean over and say, bitch, Niice,
Teddy's holes up, Teddy's holes up. I'm so proud of
you said yes, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it
every time, and I want to. I want to give
you your flowers as well, because, like you said, uh,
even the time when I reached out and I called
you that you just and I never knew that that
(59:02):
did something for you. And so that makes my heart
smile to hear you say that, because you are definitely
one of the pioneers. Regardless just because you trains, You're
still the pioneers for the gay voice as well. Yeah
it's not even just your trans community, you know what
I'm saying. We one of the people. You one of
(59:23):
the first that we've seen, bitch. We all had Twitter, yeah, bitch,
we all watched you know, it was in the sights,
and so I always am like, oh my god, like.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
This is twenty two inches. Yeah, no way, And I'm
like we here today at I Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, with your own podcast podcast, even taking a podcast
from your house where you first even I think you
first booked booked me, bitch, yes to come to your house,
and we was doing your podcast down huge fucking house.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Houses is still huge. Oh shit, I got bigger.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
But even why just every time I just see your elevation,
I'm like, this lady cannot be fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Me and y'all bitch is y'all like, we can't.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
She can't her life can't be them, We can't act
like ts Madison, not the one and not one of
the ones, at least every time I turn around, bitch
songs with Beyonce. You was just in the Tyler Perry movie.
You just always doing great things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
When I'm at the BMA's chuntie right there beside me, bitch,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
What I'm saying, and all of the things, and so
you know what I'm saying, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And even me being a gay boy, like I said,
watching TV RuPaul and stuff like that, but coming into
my lady years.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And seeing okay, like you know, okay, is this a
key or whatever?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Maybe it's her little character, and then watching the elevation
Year at the Year at the Year, at the Year
at the I'm like, oh, but I got yes, And
you put it in their face and every time time
and and and when you when your star blew up,
I saw me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yep. That's why I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
M hm, I love you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I love you, girl. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
People don't know, like people don't know. That's that's that's
what it's about. That's the importance. That's what it is about,
and the importance of it, like you don't just do
it for yourself. And ten years from now, five two,
(01:02:08):
somebody gonna be laying it down on the table saying, bitch,
thank you. Yep, and you can look back and see
all the all your flowers, like y'all my flowers. When
I see y'all grow and be huge stars and stuff
like that, y'all are all my seeds that I put
in the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I'm so so happy. I'm so happy. Yeah, I don't
even know how to really explain it. I'm so happy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
If I died tomorrow, I know that my existence lives
lives on, and we're gonna carry y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Bitch, I live. You got me a crime pregnant, about
to lose this baby. Ladies and gentlemen, this.
Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Has been the Outlaws Podcast with my motherfucking favorite these
saucest Sentana Center you walking back any time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I love this, Yes, and I love the name. Yes,
the Outlaws, Outlaws All y'all did we do good?
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Oh my god, y'all got you got me crying so
many times behind the shades. They just dig and I
keep catching them right here. For real name y'all over here?
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Oh my god, that was a lot. Yes, oh oh
did we do with good? Tyler?
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Okay, y'all got these ghetto Florida asked, do I get
my pussy? You know, I set it up to what
you did. I wanted you to know that I didn't
want this. I didn't want to focus on any negative.
(01:03:58):
You know, we're here, so we so even when we
were trying to say, yeah, we said it and if
you can use your contest clues, okay. Outlaws is a
production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle
Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Piece,
I'm your host Tias Madison. We are executive produced by
(01:04:21):
Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison. Our supervising producer
is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are Joey pat and
Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz and our
sound editor is just Crimechic. Our associate producer is Trent
high Tower Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.
(01:04:42):
Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merrit. Our show
art is by Pablo Montana got you next week, honey,
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