June 17, 2025 • 55 mins
She’s a winner, baby! T.S. Madison is joined by the legendary Rupaul’s Drag Race Season 13 winner… it’s Symone! The duo jump immediately into it, and 'it' we mean a crash course on the astrological science of good sex, and the art of giving commands—and the sorcery doesn’t stop there. This episode is like an hour-long affirmation: we're vision-boarding with words, commanding the universe to deliver our “gots,” declaring “I AM!,” and stepping into the spirituality of queerness. It’s all about the Word, honey! The conversation then turns to the Ebony Enchantress’s journey from Arkansas to the main stage of RuPaul’s Drag Race. (Fun fact: Season 13 wasn’t just her winning season—it was also the first time Maddie sat on the judging panel.) She recalls what it felt like, from that side of the table, to watch the rising star walk the runway for the very first time. Together they reflect on RuPaul Andre Charles’s impact—not just on their own lives, but on the entire world—then bond over life’s ups and downs, those moments of feeling entirely lost, and the breakthroughs that promised brighter tomorrows. When Symone opens up about her lowest point, Maddie delivers an unforgettable pep talk, reminding her (and all of us) that it’s never about where you start; it’s always about where you go. Grab your tissues, y’all! We’re laughing, we’re crying, and we’re immediately queuing up a re-watch of RPDR Season 13!!! "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait, don't win two inches bed bd.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Be yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick hot, he
chasing all. I'm black like that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Stout living.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's color easy. This is outlaws, butch.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
His medicine seminis. Listen.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
They are a fun time. I love having times fun
birth in and out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They listen. I don't know about I don't know about
that one. What you mean about but they came. No,
that's not true. They they can't get them. Which one?
Which one do you think gets the god scorpio? Oh God,
I don't want to listen. God has has punished me
(01:08):
with a lot of scorpios. Let me tell you something,
those scorpios, those scorpios is I'm very sexually compatible with
a scorpio. I'm very relationship compatible with a Gemini relationship.
Friendship always all the ships. Yeah, sexually, I'm sexually compatible
with scorpio right because I'm a I'm very hot. My
(01:32):
second it's very high, and so I have a lot
like the majority of the scorpions that I've dealt with.
Help has been like damn oh like like shaking the wall.
Go me I'm like, yes, because just the only thing
I want to be on top of, you know, and
(01:56):
aries too are nice, and I have to watch it
with those areas because they well, you know, we're I'm
a libra, I'm a libra scorpio. Okay, so the areas
we like poll the opposite of us, but we mirror opposite. Yeah,
and they be fucking too. They thanks to be fucking bitch.
I'll be listened. Every time i'd have been into it,
(02:18):
the ares i'd been like, huh nah, why because they'll
be trying to specifically, they be trying to take me.
Oh they want to take you over there, and they're
trying to take me, you know. And I can't be taken.
You can't be taken. No, you won't be taken. I
will not. I refuse to be taken. But the FuG
geminizer that I had, I've been with friends with friends
(02:41):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You gotta keep up its friends for about forty eight hours,
and you gotta go back to where you came from.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
No, but sexionally that I'm like you, thank you. The
last couple two, three, okay, the last couple Okay, I'm
just gonna say three. I'd have been like you like
somebody down with dad, you thank you? Oh you think
you got it? You think you got it?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And then they do they like when they're in it
and they're doing it, are they like, yeah, you like
you fucking this ship up?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Man? I got this ship is good. I'm is that
you between the seet. No, I don't have no feelings.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just be like what you say.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You be like uh huh, I said, baby, come on,
hold on, let me teach Let me teach you how
to please me. Okay, there we go. Please me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let it makes it not it makes it? Yeah, because
see you used to you used to do it. You
used to slanging. Let me teach you how to please me.
Let me let me give you a rhythm. I need
to give you a rhythm. I was like, I had
to do one scrubby or like that, like let me
get you on the rib. I had to do one
scrubber and one tourists. I'm think I had relationship with
(03:50):
a tourist I've had a relationship with. I had one
tour that was like, yeah, you like this, didn't you like?
I was like, no, I need I need to explain
to you how to please meet that's one of the
one of the two of them scob kids. I'm like,
hol hold up, hold up, motherfucker. Hold on? What was
(04:11):
he doing with?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Hold on?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Hold on? Wait a minute, Wait a minute now, I
mean lay it down for a little while with you.
But why you got the lie?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's what That's what they're known photo because that's what
they do. They're just did the scorpions at the scorpions,
the stingers.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They you ain't got the lie because they're not to
you too. But I get to. But I'm I'm gonna
tell you, like sir, I want to let you know
that you're not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You want only one though, I'm not gonna say no okay,
but I'm not gonna say yes okay, And I'm not
gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like an open relationship girl, no okay.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But I just I'm just very much so like I
don't want a man. Every man think he got good
dick okay until you get it, and then it is
like not even I've not even I've that's what she
was out there giving them cut you was doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But I feel like we're different though, because like the cunts. Wait, yeah,
this gun call cunt. There's this is show as I
never called the lady a cunt, not a lady, but anyways,
the cunt. They I feel like it's just different for them.
You know, they don't have the I don't want to
be rude of this strow. But y'a don't got like
we got, you know, the gays and yes, the l
(05:33):
g b Q I element, yes, the curse that you're
pushing the cuts two three times about the score.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You get up here? You stop pushing me? Are like,
where's the rhythm? The rhythm, Where's where's the blues, the rhythm,
where's the blues? Because honey, I'm about Jack Cameron. I'm
about to leave. No, I like a Jackeyard. I can't
do Jack camer now. If you ain't Jackie, I said,
if you're not jack hammer ring me, I like simone.
I like to be fucked. You like to be fox
if you qu yes, you know, asked questions. I like
(06:10):
to be fine, but frequently asking a fixin Yeah, okay,
but I also can I'm I'm listen. You can make
love to me as my friends friends make love to me, right,
but when we're bitch, when them closed up and you
got all this meat. This is a lot of meat.
(06:30):
Uh huh. All you gotta feel you want to feel it.
I need I need that hand. I need you to
have to hold I like him. I like a man
that has callouses on his hand so I can feel
him Bill Fiel him holding that ass. I like a
man that can stand up in it. What does that mean?
Stand up?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Listen, I got a lot. I'm a sixty around right,
so you know you got when I motherfucker put when
I put them knees on the bed and asked that
t is on the bed. You got to be able
to stand up, stand up.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You gotta actually you gotta stand it in the hold
and let it do.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Put some shoes on.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
You can't be sucking me in no sickcause you're gonna slide.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I made like a bird foot, You like the bear,
You like a bare footage? Its planet? Okay, in the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I can't with my legs too much. It's all right. Listen,
we got pussies in here. You cut plant plant that
motherfucker in the ground and start up in it. Oh
like you you're telling the church because I don't men
that I that I that I I don't really let
like a lot of men have hit me from the bad, right,
(07:36):
I don't want a lot of men hit me from
the bed because I give that they think they're in
control because my ass men that like ass, I'm their fantasy. Yes,
because that's all. Of course that's a lot, but of
course that is a lot ass. That's a lot of ass,
like a lot of asty, but it's ass. And so
you got that. It's a it's a gluteus maximus. You
(08:01):
know what I'm saying, saying the Latin honey, motherfuckers. We
want to hold we want to we want to the country.
Like you're like, wait, wait a minute, hold on, wait
a minute. I'm looking at what where are we at? Well,
what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You got control of this situation. And it's just like
I talk every time somebody comes here, I always tell
them I'm a woman in charge, right, And so I
want you to know, even if I'm even with me
screaming that fucked me, daddy, I'm giving you a command.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Always coming from you, not from your brains, from you.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm giving you a command.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, okay, I like this. It's not submission, it's a command.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's a command. You gotta we gotta frame that we
got a frame. Are giving you a command, I'm giving
you a command. I'm a woman in charge. Even when
I get down on my niece and look up to
you in your eyes and tell you, oh my God,
feed me that dig baby. That's a command of command.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yo, okayes, Yes, I think I may be learning something.
It's a commander.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Isn't the way you use your throat. It's a command.
I'm on my back and my knees or to my ear,
and I'm telling you to jack harring me, jack knife
me do that stuff, jack knife. It is a command.
I'm in charge here as I'm on my back, I'm
sending it to doubt Jack. Fifty one percent of this
(09:17):
goddamn company. Yes, now not.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Fifty fifty one, because you always have the majority of steak. Yes,
it is maybe that one percent, but it is all
is your one percent.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's correct. What I'm saying, woman in charge?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
What do they?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What did he say?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
On?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know me?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I'm the h B I C I'm the h E
and I see h N I s niga in charge.
This is you know. I want you to know this
and this and that's that's what. And every time that
I'm dating a man, they always think that they are
smarter than me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Always, But that's like a man, that's Man're not smarter
than me, sir, because you got him from you got
it from both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You're correct. Huh my, my, my buddy of a tells
me that I operate a duality. I said, no, I'm
I only work on one frequency. And that's that's ruler.
I only work in one frequency, roller queen, that's goddess, yes, ma'am,
I only work And he says that I'm I'm a sorceress.
I like that though, well, of course, well he thinks that,
(10:17):
which I'm not. Why what is why? Though? What is
the evidence to back this up? I mean, you are,
but what what? What is it? He don't want to
speak from the bag? Quiet, Yeah, let me look at
this talk so much trash. She put you on, frustrated
on this camera. How do you want to say something?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Mm hmmm. But he says that, he says, but I
tell him that I'm not. I'm just like, oh, I know,
I'm crying. What's wrong? I don't know, don't get a tissue.
And it's not even an emotional moment. You imagine when
it starts getting there, He's already got We're just talking
about sex girls. Hold on, this is what happens on
(10:57):
the Outlaws podcast. Anything can happen. My god, we haven't
even got one piece and one question. We were just
here talking about our our love, lies and stuff like that.
He he also says that he thinks that I hate man,
which I do not. I don't think you hate man.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I just think you you come with what you give them.
You get it how you give That's my thing. So
like if you feel like they're coming for you, feel
like they're trying to give you that emotional that you
give it back to.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
One, Well, it's because I believe in I believe in
what's the energy matching energy energy. I believe in that
like you a dog. You haven't seen a dog, a dog,
but you compared to me a little dogs called you
(11:48):
have seen a dog. Yes, you don't know nothing about
no doduel. Let me show. Let me teach your thinking too,
and see all the type of person that you'll be
cheating on me in the relationship, and I'll act oblivious
to it and until the last day, and then I'm
gonna you bring them out and then no, yeah, no,
I'm gonna give you the file. No, I'm gonna let
(12:11):
you be murdered with the with the candlestick and show
up to the future like who did who killed my husband?
All while I'm catching it.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
On your insurance killed my husbands getting please, whoever out
there did this to my husband?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Coming for it now?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
A gentleman Lewis say that stop the madness.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And another thing, my lord want to Oh my god,
oh god. So we just opened up the show with
our sex love, you know, because up so that's how
we do. It's been a minute. Some more spotted my
Kevin Costner in the back and I said, wait a minute,
he's only he's only about the guard to one trying
(13:09):
to make that girl. I think that, I think that
he and not probably gonna go out for that one.
You should, you suld. But but he has to get it.
He has to get his arms bigger so he can
really lift me. Listen, you have to you have to
get your Kevin on. Yeah, because I'm a bigger Rachel.
That was a mini Rachel. That's man, that's many times
I'm a bigger Rachel. You got to get the Plus
(13:31):
South Rachel, he got get plus arms from me. He's
probably gonna need the entire uh the entire security company.
Lift me up and lift me up? Are you gonna
do covers? Are you doing original original song?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Shi?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Take me for what I am? Yeah? You know, okay?
I mean but will will dub it over something for
a track? Listen, there's autoitudes. Yes, so we talked about this.
We just had some funny so you guys already know
what this episode. Just get race. So I'm just gonna
take a round to top. What's something out of the
see of the madisone coming to you? Loud love and
(14:09):
always end for an incolor From the Outlaws podcast with
none other than Tea. It's Madison and today my special
guest is the winner, oh of Rupe Paul's Drag Race
Season thirty?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Do you do again?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Get doing it again? Because I I gotta put more
pussy in it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And the winner.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Of Rue Paul's Drag Race Season thirteen is said, Yes,
so I'm here with the winner of Rue Pauls Drag
Race Season thirteen? Was that the season that I came on?
And I think so, yes it was? It was the
season you came on.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You were guest judging at the time, and I remember
they told us that you were coming next day, you know,
and I freaked out because I was like, because I'm
still a fan by the time, I was like, we
never met each other before, and I was like dying
over you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And so when you came in and they told us
that I was like your kid. They said, I loved
you when you walked out there and I saw that delicious,
beautiful dark yes, and it was delicious. It was beautiful, delicious.
And I leaned over to mother and I said, I
said to her, I said that she's gonna win the show.
Oh bit, But what what what week was that? What
(15:19):
week were you that you remember? You remember?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Where?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
What look was it? That's how I have to break
it down, ship, I have to break it down. Oh hell,
hold on, hold on, wait a minute, you know, like
a dream. Let me think, hold on hold it. I'm
asking questions. I remember. It wasn't the snatch game, No,
that was I feel like, no, it wasn't. It was.
(15:44):
It was the beads.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It was when we did improv, Bora, when you said double,
I said, I got one.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It was that you work amazing. Thank you you were
like so good and not just so good. You just
had the charisma, the uniqueness, the nerve and the time.
You had the cunt. I had the count like the count,
I have the cunt. I've been in the country. Yeah,
well we'll talk about that. But wait a minute, this
bra is really Oh they scratching your sister?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Know the wire No?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, what are wire hangers doing it? That ship was
killing me over I know it was. I got some
big titties. You do when it was a scratching it?
Oh my god, tear up, take it out. So you
(16:43):
walked out on that stage and you did the boy you.
I said, oh my god, she's so good. I'm telling you.
I leave over the roof got it. I said, those
girls better be scared of that girl back there. And
then it was like when you when I saw you
up and blonde and up. And because I'm a Roope
haul fan, I haven't saying I have no, I have no.
(17:03):
I don't care how much I sit next to that
woman when she comes around that corner.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But it's like magic or it's like the first time everything.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah what is that dude? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Do do do? Do?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Do do do? And she and she gets you know
what she doesn't. She gives that look yes, and I'm
like over here, I'm like, oh my god. It's just
like it's just like, oh my god. And then she
walks beautifully. I I never tire of it neither. And
(17:43):
she's sixty she's sixty five. I think sixty five. Yes,
sings all right, yeah, she's singing five years old. And
she hits that corner and every time I'm so stars,
I'm like in awe.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Everything it makes me think back to like the first
time I saw her, and it makes me in my
head revert back to that like teenager every time.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I like, that's where my head every single freaking time.
It's not like like no matter how many like I
can go and then we could do a new season,
then we can do All Stars. And like it's just
like every single time she comes up, and when I'm
watching it at home and I said, Mama, hush, and
then they say dude, dude, I say, yes, ma'am, I
(18:23):
was screaming. I don't screaming each time because when she
hits that thing, and it's just like, what is she
gonna wear? What she gonna what is it given?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What is it giving?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And then she always good and it always gives it.
She gets down there to the inlet fucking runway and
it's just like and you have to realize that this
person changed the.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
World, honestly. And I don't know if people realize that.
I don't know if it's like a thing that we're
consciously aware of. I don't know if it's where you know,
some art they don't get their polsu there. But she
truly changed the world. I think I said this all
the time. I think we wouldn't have the rights we
have now if it wasn't for for for her. She
(19:03):
changed the change the goddamn world.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
On this show, I have a segment called talk your Ship,
and so I don't do that. We're about to now.
I'm gonna explain it a bit. Talk your ship. Now,
it's time for you to talk your ship. Okay, who
are you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
What are you proud of? This is your time to shine,
So don't hold back. You brag about who you are. Okay,
what you've done this, ma'am, who you've been with not sexually,
not sexually, but you can okay, but how much money
you've made? Girl, honey, you want this and that, and
this is the time you don't. I do not want
you to be humble any moment, any section, or any
(19:53):
part of this. This is the time that I want
you to make those girls be out there looking at
that screen saying I that cut. Okay. My name is
Simone and my name is Simone, and.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
First and foremost I did run RuPaul Shock Grace Season thirteen,
Crowns by RuPaul, her motherfucking self. Thank you own it,
watch it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's lovely.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I have been to the met Gala, yes, personal invitation
of Jeremy Scott, but through and a win tour.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
She know me, she saw me, and I was there.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I have been to multiple fashion shows. Sometimes the first
drag queen a present at such show, front row, get
into a clocket. I have been to Paris, I have
been to Italy. I have been all around the world
where fashion does exist and they do shows. I have
been on TV IM my personal one out. We did
a movie together. Yes, bro Rose got out to that mother.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah the first.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think that's the first time we worked together and
met met each other.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And I told you, no, we had met before we met.
Well that's for some people, like we were able to
work together, and I told you how much I was you.
You know, every time we see each other do that?
Everyone same? What else have I done?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I have?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I have my own show, Yes called on Tonight with
Simone on Avalon TV, which is currently on While Presents Plus.
I have interviewed Auntie herself. I have interviewed Doci, I
have interviewed lovely guests and lovely people.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's there, get into it and you look amazing doing Oh,
thank you so much. It's my It's my one passion.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's the one thing that like, I'm like, people always
ask me, what do you want to do next? What's
your thing?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
And it's like I would always saw myself hosting a
TV show. I don't know how it's going to mess
up manifest necessarily for now, but that's what I want.
I want to be to get on a show, host
it and like have conversations.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Like this, here is where you Here's where you're holding
yourself back.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh shit, it just got me clocked me as a witch, yes,
s Suressentris.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, my magic comes from love. I'm a love goddess.
But I do know other thing, Oh yes, ma'am. But
as a love Goddess. I want you to understand. You
have to sit stop saying I want oh, and say
I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I am. Okay, let me roll it back.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I am a hostess, yes, of a show called on
Tonight with Simone.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And I am and I am.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I am going to be you know wherever I want it,
and I am going to host that show onward, upward
and more and bigger better than ever.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, there we go, I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, I like that, I am because I already. It's
not that I'm not that person. It's not that it
just hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There we go, I am, I am, and you you
you have to know that those are affirmation that you
tell yourself and you also affirm to the universe that
I know that you have becoming. I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I know where. Yes, and
I'm ready to receive it. Yes, I'm open to receive.
I am open to receive it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
When the I like that when we speak on because
I know we are. You were you raising the Church
of be It, I a it. It wasn't like Bible,
but it was around you. Got some church, have churching
in me. Yes, that's why I knew I wanted to
be performer. So with knowing that, you gotta understand that
the speaking, oh God, oh here we go, here, I
(23:16):
am coming out now the actual are I'm coming out
of the closet. Speaking is the most powerful form of
the craft that you can ever do. You can write anything,
you can light a candle, you can do all this stuff.
But speaking is the most powerful. Because the book tells
us that the Lord spoke and there.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Was that's right when that Genesis they said he spoke
and it was.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And so this is why it is important that you
speak over your speak over yourself, encourage yourself the Lord,
the Lord.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Look at the word the Lord. So you if this
is why this is, it is extremely important for you
to speak I am. And when Moses see I was
listen girl, not Moses, I was. I'm a church kid.
When Moses was out in the wilderness and he walked
her to the bush, yes, and he asked the bush,
(24:23):
who are you? And the bush said, while it was
on fire, I am.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
The power in knowing I am speaks the volume is
that because it's like a confidence thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Is that like a bitch. I am I am, I
am great, I am that, I am he, I am she,
I am them, I am they ever, I am everything.
I am A I am that, I am. I am
You don't you when you want to know? When you
asked me who I am? I am? I am T
S Madison, I am, I am Simone. Yes, I am
(25:01):
Rupe Paul, Yes, I am Beyonce, I am madam. All
of these people can say want they ask you who
you are?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I am?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh my god, you're all of that is power. I
think I've denied that of myself.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Do not.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I know, and I've been I've given obviously, There's been
some examples of me being that person.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think it's just me realizing me believing it. Do
not when people they say, how arrogant and narcissistic I am.
I tell those motherfucking hosts this. Listen to me. When
a person asked me who you I am? TS I
am the TSV. That's that's the word. There are many,
but I am the ts medisine. There will be another
(25:46):
like me. There will never be another like me. Never
I am, and the riches know it. And the reason
I am is because I spoke and said.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Let there be, and it was okay, Now this is
the church I want to go to.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
This is the church I want to go. I'm because
when you when you walk through that north I tell
all of my friends, I was like, stop having stop doubting.
He has stuff over there that he got going on whatever,
I tell him, listen, move doubt. Move it. Where do
you move it to? To the side. It might be there,
(26:26):
but don't let it be in the front. Move that
motherfucker to the side. When you sit in your when
you sent in your tape, you sent in your tape
not to be a competitor. Now you sent in your
tape to drag wish to win.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Absolutely, I think, I think I do things. This is
my this is my the amazing my brain. I do
things knowing what I want in it. But then I
shy away, like I'll send in the tape and I
was like, I want to I'm going I want to win.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
See this is what you're saying. I want to win.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I want to do to to And then I was like,
but it's not no, no, no, And then that dims
your magic. There you go, there you go, And that's
the lesson.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm learning that damns. Your magic. What strength is? Your
magic is the knowing you don't know when you don't
know how, but you know. No, you might not have
one if let's say you didn't win season thirteen. Oh god,
you may not have one season thirteen, but you were
going to win All Stars. Yeah, you may not have
one season thirteen or also, but you're gonna, but you
(27:23):
would win Global All Star. Yeah. I am, I am,
I am, therefore I shall be. And I spoke it,
and the one it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is why I exist to tell all of my
queer people this. You are a gift from God. You
are an answered prayer. You are oh wow, because someone
related to you was trying to figure out how to love,
(27:57):
how to have patience, how to exist, and they couldn't
do it by themselves, so they needed an obstacle. Queer
people become might be an obstacle to their parents, to
the loved ones, but it's really not an obstacle. It's
a gift because it challenges, It challenges everything that you
(28:19):
pass for. When you ask God give me patience, you
think he's gonna give you automatically he she they them,
You think they're gonna automatically give you patience. They're gonna
they're gonna throw you in a situation. It's just like,
oh my God, I supposed to have the patience. I
gotta I gotta do this. I gotta do this when
God gave us to our parents. Two things I tell
(28:42):
my mama, I said, Mama, I'm a reflection of a
prayer that you ask, and I'm a and I am
a suppression to something that my dad was going through.
You know what I found out what one of my
girlfriends says, your dad has a big dick. One of
my trans girlfriends said, your dad has a big dick.
(29:03):
Your trans girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I said, I know.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
He gave it to me. I have one too, bitch
somewhere do you say, I know he does. Bitch? So
what are you trying to tell me?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Good? I hope you had fun. Great. So I tell
my dad you have the unmitigated goal to feel a
way about your daughter being a transgirl when you're giving
your dick. And then my dad said, well he don't
look like no Well, she don't look like no man
to me, and you don't either, I know, but that
was his thing. She don't look like no man to me,
(29:38):
I said, oh, so you did do it? Oh? Not
telling on yourself? Oh so you did so. You looking
at me is a mere reflection of something that you suppressed.
And you can't. You haven't you haven't that what?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah? Here it is sign.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And God didn't just give you a regular homseection. No,
he gave you one of these. He gave you a
z y m clocket. Listen, my mother is a My
mother is a strong advit believer in Christ. She says,
my mother is an advit believer in saving souls. I
(30:20):
can believe I see it because you're reminds my grandma. Yeah.
Do you know what people tell my mother? How can
you your advocate for Christ when you can't even save
your own son? Oh? Fuck them? Listen what she saying. Response,
my mother says, my child is a gift to me.
My child has taught me to walk by faith and
(30:40):
not by sight. My child went out into the world
with two suitcases and nothing, and my child is a
great individual in the world that her faith. Yes, ma'am,
my child taught me to walk in my faith and
not by my sight. My child was a lesson to me.
(31:03):
It's don't you ever speak anywhere about my kid. Yeah,
and what God, if my kid and me don't lead
you don't lead you to love Christ. I don't know
what can because because I instilled in my kid. You
see how I brought everything back to the word, the
word the word. Bitch, I don't believe everything in the book,
(31:25):
but I cheery pick it just like them. Motherfucker, you
get what you need. I believe that I am. I
believe that I speak and it is so, ma'am. And
I believe that we do walk by faith and not
(31:46):
by sight. I believe these things.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, and that's all you need though, That's I said,
that's all you need, those three tenants, that is that
is life. That's the lesson most people takes. Most people
don't learn or take their whole life to learn.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And so you got it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You learned.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
You learned it quick and early. Listen, I said, I
was fourteen years old in the spirit the Holy ghost.
So whatever you want to call it, hovard over me
and said that person is going to be your friend
and y'all gonna work together. It was RuPaul Andre Charles. Wow, bitch,
I was fourteen fourteen. I don't know anything about no
voice or no spirit. Right, I'm like, what the hell
is that talking to me? Talking to me?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Me?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Who's me? Who's that? Maybe it was me reaching from
days of future past? There you go, x men, right,
you see that the men did the word. It always
comes back to the word. But I knew. I knew, Simone,
I knew when you walked out on that stage, I knew.
(32:45):
I don't know if you knew. I did not know.
You didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I didn't know doing it, I didn't know. Looking back
on it, and what the mindset I had to put
myself in. I knew now. But like in it, you're like,
I'm just to make it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I saw on the guitar, I said, a star, thank you,
not that I didn't see it. A star and all
the rest of the contestant. There are many stars in
the sky, but then there's the sun. Oh man, do
not make me cry. I want you to know that
there are many stars in the sky, and then there's
(33:21):
the sun. I saw it. I looked when you and
I leaned over to her. I said, Mama, this girl
looked like you. I said, she looked like you, mama,
because I still call her mama. Don't give a fuck. Yes,
I said Mama, this girl looked like you. This girl
is gonna win this motherfucking shell. Bitch. I said, those
(33:42):
girls better get ready, those girls better, those girls in
the back. And I love the girls, of course, you
love them, and I saw stars in them too. But
I said, Mama, and this girl gonna win this show.
And I think that was what episode was that you
where is?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
When you are?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That would have been like four or five or I
had just got there. No, it had to have been three.
Had to be it had to be four, because yes,
so it was four because.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I judged the snatch game after that. Whichever was because
the next week I came and judge the snatch game. Yes,
I hadn't seen anything, because you know, they don't show
us nephing. We don't know anything. You come in no
preconceived notion. When you walked down that thing, I said, bitch,
I promise you that was the bees runway too, bitch.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The bora week pocket, naming the hair lovely lovely two piece,
be the least used putting your hair as a little girl.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I leaned over to Mama, I said, Mama, that girl
gonna win this show. Oh that was early, Yes, that
was early. I said, Mama, that girl gonna win this show.
I said, that girl look like you. You don't see
you in that girl. Mama. She was like, that bitch
is bad. She said that confirmed. She said that, I
(34:58):
promise you lean over to her. I said, Mama, that
girl gonna win the show. And I and that was
four weeks. That was four weeks, four weeks and yeah,
I had just got there. That's crazy. And when you
turn around the runway, you had like this on the back,
it's sit. You made a statement. Oh you're talking about
the That was the fascinator runway? All wait, yes, and
(35:21):
what did it say on the back? Say their names?
Say their name? And my my thing was, I say, now,
that's how you make a statement, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
But the fashion make it mean something. That's always That
was all that was my That was my my criteria
going into it. When we was boot camp, before we
went in, like we literally from the day we got
the thing, the minutes before I left it was boot
camp and I was like, listen, I fought for that look.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I was like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
It's alsoposed to be like lovely funt oftend, but this
is what I want. This is the one I'm like,
this is it. And that week was crazy because it
was Harriet Tubman week and they don't plan. We don't
plan these things. They tell us the runway and then
we go on. But it's just crazy how that all
came together, and that the Harriot tumming week and then
that's the runway we had the fascinator.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So it was very.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Important that I did that, just because I felt it
was the only way I could actually say something in it,
like all come together and around the world, around the world. Yeah, yeah,
especially at the time which we forget man, like so
much was happening. We were all in our homes making it,
trying to make it, and I was like, I have
to say, like this is the one thing. I have
to say it, and I'm going to be on this
(36:31):
TV show and or international, I have to do it.
Like after that, we can do whatever you want, but
that's the one, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The one that's my now whatever she said in French,
thank you, that means the world's anything, mama. Yeah, you
just had to continue to compete.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I decided to keep going. Anytime this is what's funny.
Anytime I didn't know it and she could see it,
she was. She would get so mad at me, and
it was the the rusical week and I just didn't
do it. I just I just couldn't for whatever reason
it was. And she I could feel how amad she
wasn't me when I didn't, when I lost it in
(37:14):
my brain, like it wasn't in the forefront of my head.
And she got my ass and critiqued. She got me,
and then she critiqued me the ones you don't see
you know when we're back, And I was like, fuck,
she read me.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
She got my ass, you know, because she saw it.
I got there four weeks in, leaned over to her
in the chair and said, Mama, this girl I hadn't seen.
I looked at everybody else on the paper. What did this?
I lean, I said, Mama, this girl gonna win this show.
I said you. I said to her, you don't see it, mamad, bitch,
that's you when you were young, not that you're old,
(37:48):
not as you're old, You're never old, but that's you.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, and she was got yup, yep, yep, love you room,
yeah forever and always.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
How has this I know, I know how yeah, but
the viewers out there watching, how has this changed? Your life.
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I think it totally changed my life because before that,
I just even monetarily. I was just working a you know,
regular based job. Was not even a regular nine to five.
It was like they would call you in type of thing.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It changed it. It changed my life forever.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I I was able to take care of my mom,
I was able to take I've been able to take
care of my friends and like help people through this,
I've been able to help myself through this. I learned
a lot about myself. It changed my perspective on myself.
It made me realize that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm not I'm not worth it. Liss Oh you got them,
I got it. It changed It changed everything. When I
tell you that, that's what I mean, like from the
top to the bottom of my life. I wasn't a
very confident kid. It gave me a reason to be.
I don't know where I would be without drag. I
(39:21):
don't know if I I.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I don't know I've ever said this publicly, but I
remember I came home one day and I just had enough.
I was bullied as a kid, and I just I
just had enough, Like I was ready, I was ready
to eject.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And I went to the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And and the only thing that the only thing that
saved me from doing that was my mom. I remember,
I remember her saying one time, she was like, if
you ever, if anything happens like that, you might as
well take me with you because I can't take it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And that was the only thing that saved me. And
I remember.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Drag happened after that, Drag races on the night and
I saw it for the first time, and I was and.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It clicked in my head, like that's it. You're going
to do that, that's it. That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But niece, listen to me the reason, and so it
just it just changed my life's perspective. It changed clearly everything.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You knew you were going to win.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That h.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
This person knew. I don't know if she knew at
the time, but that was your that was the universe
speaking to you. That was God, whatever you want to
call it, speaking to you. Then you knew, you knew subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I think you have to in a way sometimes,
like you have to tell yourself there's a little bit
of like we call it delusion at the time, because
that's the best way to frame it, because you know,
you don't want to seem too confident, too cocky.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So the delusion because you've been taught, you've been taught
that you have to be humble.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But I think on a level like you're right, I
didn't know and I was when I went in there
and I was like, bitch, if anything I'm going to
say on this runway, I do know that. But then
doing the challenges, it just every week, it was just
a layer of becoming and just like working through that
and like trusting myself. That's that's the big thing.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I had to trust myself and.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Know that I and know that, believe it and then
know you know, so like that was the believe it
and then like.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know, look at you here, You've won season thirteen,
and you're here and you are looking back over it
and you are reminding yourself of the affirmations that you
were saying, Yeah, I needed this. It's been crazy. You
reminded yourself of the affirmations that you've been saying. Yeah,
(41:42):
I look over my entire life and over the things
that have happened for me that hasn't that's been pulled out,
the table that's been put up, that's been this, that's
been that and I knew, I know. I again. Life
is to be live in the place joyed, and it's
(42:02):
it has to be lived in the guise of I
don't know when, I don't know how, but I know.
And if you know, you have commanded the universe to
give you your gods. Give me my God. I love that.
(42:26):
Give me my God's bitch.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Them, they you know, yes, you know, give me my gods.
I know that they're mine.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I tell people who are contemplating taking their lives, sweetie,
do not let the enemy blind you with today, because
it is never where you start, it's always where you go.
It's the journey. Do not let the end in me
blind you with today. Do you know how many times
(43:05):
that I was walking the streets, walking and I said, God,
just let me get through the night. God, let me
get back to my apartment. God keep me saying God,
send me forty dollars, send me a hundred send me
one man that'll just fucked me good and take me home.
(43:28):
That'll take me home. But they'll give me a hundred bucks.
All I need is seven All I need is seven
hundred bucks from my root at the time. Give me that,
and I'll keep going. I can do it, and just
let me get through the night let me whatever. I
have multiple homes now, yes, ma'am, call it out. Yes, ma'am,
(43:49):
I have very expensive cars. Yes, ma'am. I have numerous jobs,
numerous shows everywhere. I didn't see it at the time.
All I wanted to do was get through the night light.
And I want people to understand it is never where
you start, It's always where you go. Always. You gotta
(44:14):
not let the enemy blind you with today, because when
the enemy blinds you with today, it takes the way.
It cuts off your tomorrow, It takes away hope, it
cuts your tomorrow. You got that call, You sit on
your tape and you got you got that call. What
(44:37):
if you were to let the enemy blind you with bullying?
What if you would have allowed the enemy to blind
you with hate? What if you were allowed the enemy
just whisper in your ears, take it away, take your
life out. You would not be the winner of season.
You would not be. It would not be the sea mon,
(45:00):
it would not be You would not be. You would
not be able to take care of your mom, your family.
You're this, You wouldn't be able to do that if
you would have allowed the enemy to take to blind
you with today, there's somebody out there watching this program,
this episode, that the enemy is trying to blind them.
(45:21):
Don't do it with today. Don't do it. Don't do it.
I walk the streets. Bitch, I am rich, Bitch, I'm rich.
I don't have to if I want to sell pussy.
I if I do that just because I got and
walking down the line and say, bitch, I want this
(45:42):
and the other, that's because I want to do that,
not because I have to. What a blessing. Yes, But imagine,
Imagine if I would have had those thoughts. Imagine if
I would have just stopped. Imagine if I'd had somebody
tell me, oh, but you've done pornographer, you've been a so,
you've been to this. You can't have this, you can't
do this. Imagine if I would have believed that everyone's
(46:06):
would be different, the whole world would be different. You
wouldn't have the world wouldn't be chanting affirmations to themselves.
I'm dark, brown, dog skin light skins, fluorescing, bas bitch,
I'm black. We wouldn't have imagined, Oh my god, just imagine,
(46:31):
and we wouldn't be sitting here today saving a viewer's
life right now. We wouldn't be sitting here. We wouldn't
be sitting here today reassuring you of some thoughts that
you've probably had in your brain. Because yes, you've won,
you're the grandiose things you still do, but you still
(46:53):
have moments of no because you're human. You're trapped in
the flesh. But never forget that moment when that darkness
was talking to you and you saw it and the
show popped up on TV. Never forget that. Never forget
that you came and you sat down with your Aunty
on the Outlaws podcast and she spoke it to you
and said, bit you is there ever less than God stopped.
(47:17):
I'll never forget that, And never forget that the enemy
almost blinded you with today.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
We rout that on my mirror when I woke up.
Don't be blinded by today. That's good, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Was that original? That's a TS original? Honey, doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I don't do. Who's it all?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
We've gotten down to the last part of our show,
and the last part of our show is called bannitt
ban it. Oh God's now some people are out here
banning drag shows, LGBTQ, plus books and even our very existence.
But we're flipping the script. Now, what's something you would
(48:14):
ban if you ran the world. Now here's how it works, Okay,
we each get a minute to make our case for
what needs to go. Producers will keep track of time
and call out when they're thirty seconds and ten seconds left, gorgeous.
Let me kick it off to show you how it's done. Dude.
All right, my name is TS Madison, and I want
(48:41):
to ban weak lace glue, weak lace glue. I want
to ban weak lace glue because you girls be out
here talking about did that motherfucking wig won't come off
your head? Bitch, I have went down and dipped in
the water. Just I've dipped my toe in the water
and my wig and slid back.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I remember me being on a filming Amritive Medicine episode,
honey at Oh, I was over there getting my stylists
had put layers and I'm not going to call out
the glues name because I don't want you to do it.
I don't want the company to lose anybody here talking
to us, But grow layers and layers and layers of glue. Honey,
I got hit with the heat just about thirty seconds,
(49:20):
and that bitch with lifting up. I was like God
in the name above all names, please do not let
my wig fall off on nationalized v in front of
all of these color folks, because one thing we color
folks on play about is our make up and our
wigs and our potato salad. I don't put no, no, no, no,
no no no. So I'm banning all that weak ass
(49:40):
lace glue. I second that as a lace swear off.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Okay, okay, okay, I think I got it.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Okay, Hey y'all, it's the morning. I'm here as the
banner to band Mayo. Okay, I don't want to see anymore.
It's discussing. First of all, have you ever seen undercover
brother I have? When he put in, he had a
trade come to him with Mayo na sandwiches cut up
like they're supposed to be. What's some things in the
higher archic thing them cucumber sandwiches. Okay, they had them
(50:13):
cut up like that. All they had was bread, Mayo bread,
and he put his mouth on it em.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
He'sa you heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I don't want to hear that. I don't want to
see that anymore. I tasted it a couple of weeks ago.
I put a whole spoonful in my mouth and tasted it.
Nobody needs that. You don't need that. It's disgusting. The
Europeans up there, you're dipping your fries in it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
For what.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
There's ketchup, Okay, there's uh, there's barbecue sauce. Ranch We
love that here. I know what you're gonna say, ranch
is mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It don't taste like it.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
It's a whole other category. So I want mayonnaise gone.
I wanted to cease to exist. Okay, you don't need that, honey.
There's all kinds of condiments out there.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Get rid of it. I don't want to see it anymore.
Wait a minute, yes, I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Wait a minute. But you want to bed may mayonnaise.
You don't need it. Any person that doesn't eat mayonnaise
is homophobic. I don't like him sometimes, that's right. I
don't like him sometimes either.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Let's get into that. See you just just kiss that.
Anybody that don't eat mayonnaise is homophobic. How the fun
can you have elotase and not putting mayonnaise on the
boom and not.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Putting elotases on nothing. No, it's crazy to do.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You remember off of dream Girls when Jimmy thunder and said, man,
I said, no mayonnaise on the chicken sandwich, you see,
And that's in that.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Moment, that one moment of the film. I related to him.
I said, that's what I would have seen it, Man,
what is wrong with that? It's disgusting, the thickness of it.
That when you get it out of the jar and
you like put it on and you put it on
the sandwich and just PLoP it there.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
It's just so what about miracle whib? I'm out. I
don't want I don't make potatoes. I don't eat potatoes.
I don't eat potato salad. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I eat salad when they have the greens in it
and you put a little bacon on it. You can
put some chicken in there if you want to, little cucumber,
a little tomato.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
But the base of stuff is mayonnaise. No, that's what
they want you to think. You band mayonnaise. I'm just
gonna drop down.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
No, see, you can band mayonnaise by itself. But you
can't band ranch. It's two different things. That's why they
call it. That's two different names.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
What about blue cheese? You know what, I'll say this.
I did try blue cheese by accident.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
You see the maze in my brain, right, I tried
the blue cheese by accident.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
I was like, it can stay. You need mayonnaise on
a sandwich. No, no, you need when you're not eating mayonnaise.
You'r homeophobia. I am, I am. You're a home of
You are the winter of season thirteen on drag Race and.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
You're not eating man. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Somebody put it.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Somebody put in the comments jointy man, Please don't leave
me out here, by my.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh my god, miracle window. I don't want that either,
or that yoke that aill, that oil, honey oil.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
The Bible says, don't be equally. You gotta equally yoked
with your partner. I can be yoked in other ways.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't need mayo. There's a yoking for everybody. And
that the name. Please don't man. Man must have ketched
up and get into it. What about that madens? Oh
my god, I'm mann. I'm lazy and gentlemen is has
(53:42):
been the Outlaws podcast and my very special guest, my
niece who I love dearly. I love you, the winner
of Rul's Drag Race season thirteen. Yes, that knew she
went when she put in hard Man. That's how you
(54:02):
do it. Call it out, get into it now. Let's
cook this chemera for us about these new girls. Okay,
bye girl, I love playing Jane.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Alicia Piece, I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison.
Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krinchicch and our producers are
(54:37):
Joey pat and Common Bar. Our video editor is Tyler
rabeno Witz, and our sound editor is Just Crimechicch. Our
associate producer is Trent high Tower. Special thanks to our
producer's assistant, Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by
Wazi Merritt. Our show art is by Pablo Montena. Got
You Next Week, Honey two
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Don't wait, don't win two inches bed bd.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Be yourself, get a job, ricking honey, rick hot, he
chasing all. I'm black like that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Stout living.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's color easy. This is outlaws, butch.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
His medicine seminis. Listen.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
They are a fun time. I love having times fun
birth in and out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They listen. I don't know about I don't know about
that one. What you mean about but they came. No,
that's not true. They they can't get them. Which one?
Which one do you think gets the god scorpio? Oh God,
I don't want to listen. God has has punished me
(01:08):
with a lot of scorpios. Let me tell you something,
those scorpios, those scorpios is I'm very sexually compatible with
a scorpio. I'm very relationship compatible with a Gemini relationship.
Friendship always all the ships. Yeah, sexually, I'm sexually compatible
with scorpio right because I'm a I'm very hot. My
(01:32):
second it's very high, and so I have a lot
like the majority of the scorpions that I've dealt with.
Help has been like damn oh like like shaking the wall.
Go me I'm like, yes, because just the only thing
I want to be on top of, you know, and
(01:56):
aries too are nice, and I have to watch it
with those areas because they well, you know, we're I'm
a libra, I'm a libra scorpio. Okay, so the areas
we like poll the opposite of us, but we mirror opposite. Yeah,
and they be fucking too. They thanks to be fucking bitch.
I'll be listened. Every time i'd have been into it,
(02:18):
the ares i'd been like, huh nah, why because they'll
be trying to specifically, they be trying to take me.
Oh they want to take you over there, and they're
trying to take me, you know. And I can't be taken.
You can't be taken. No, you won't be taken. I
will not. I refuse to be taken. But the FuG
geminizer that I had, I've been with friends with friends
(02:41):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You gotta keep up its friends for about forty eight hours,
and you gotta go back to where you came from.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
No, but sexionally that I'm like you, thank you. The
last couple two, three, okay, the last couple Okay, I'm
just gonna say three. I'd have been like you like
somebody down with dad, you thank you? Oh you think
you got it? You think you got it?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And then they do they like when they're in it
and they're doing it, are they like, yeah, you like
you fucking this ship up?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Man? I got this ship is good. I'm is that
you between the seet. No, I don't have no feelings.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just be like what you say.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You be like uh huh, I said, baby, come on,
hold on, let me teach Let me teach you how
to please me. Okay, there we go. Please me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let it makes it not it makes it? Yeah, because
see you used to you used to do it. You
used to slanging. Let me teach you how to please me.
Let me let me give you a rhythm. I need
to give you a rhythm. I was like, I had
to do one scrubby or like that, like let me
get you on the rib. I had to do one
scrubber and one tourists. I'm think I had relationship with
(03:50):
a tourist I've had a relationship with. I had one
tour that was like, yeah, you like this, didn't you like?
I was like, no, I need I need to explain
to you how to please meet that's one of the
one of the two of them scob kids. I'm like,
hol hold up, hold up, motherfucker. Hold on? What was
(04:11):
he doing with?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Hold on?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Hold on? Wait a minute, Wait a minute now, I
mean lay it down for a little while with you.
But why you got the lie?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's what That's what they're known photo because that's what
they do. They're just did the scorpions at the scorpions,
the stingers.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They you ain't got the lie because they're not to
you too. But I get to. But I'm I'm gonna
tell you, like sir, I want to let you know
that you're not the only one.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You want only one though, I'm not gonna say no okay,
but I'm not gonna say yes okay, And I'm not
gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like an open relationship girl, no okay.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But I just I'm just very much so like I
don't want a man. Every man think he got good
dick okay until you get it, and then it is
like not even I've not even I've that's what she
was out there giving them cut you was doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But I feel like we're different though, because like the cunts. Wait, yeah,
this gun call cunt. There's this is show as I
never called the lady a cunt, not a lady, but anyways,
the cunt. They I feel like it's just different for them.
You know, they don't have the I don't want to
be rude of this strow. But y'a don't got like
we got, you know, the gays and yes, the l
(05:33):
g b Q I element, yes, the curse that you're
pushing the cuts two three times about the score.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You get up here? You stop pushing me? Are like,
where's the rhythm? The rhythm, Where's where's the blues, the rhythm,
where's the blues? Because honey, I'm about Jack Cameron. I'm
about to leave. No, I like a Jackeyard. I can't
do Jack camer now. If you ain't Jackie, I said,
if you're not jack hammer ring me, I like simone.
I like to be fucked. You like to be fox
if you qu yes, you know, asked questions. I like
(06:10):
to be fine, but frequently asking a fixin Yeah, okay,
but I also can I'm I'm listen. You can make
love to me as my friends friends make love to me, right,
but when we're bitch, when them closed up and you
got all this meat. This is a lot of meat.
(06:30):
Uh huh. All you gotta feel you want to feel it.
I need I need that hand. I need you to
have to hold I like him. I like a man
that has callouses on his hand so I can feel
him Bill Fiel him holding that ass. I like a
man that can stand up in it. What does that mean?
Stand up?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Listen, I got a lot. I'm a sixty around right,
so you know you got when I motherfucker put when
I put them knees on the bed and asked that
t is on the bed. You got to be able
to stand up, stand up.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You gotta actually you gotta stand it in the hold
and let it do.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Put some shoes on.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
You can't be sucking me in no sickcause you're gonna slide.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I made like a bird foot, You like the bear,
You like a bare footage? Its planet? Okay, in the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I can't with my legs too much. It's all right. Listen,
we got pussies in here. You cut plant plant that
motherfucker in the ground and start up in it. Oh
like you you're telling the church because I don't men
that I that I that I I don't really let
like a lot of men have hit me from the bad, right,
(07:36):
I don't want a lot of men hit me from
the bed because I give that they think they're in
control because my ass men that like ass, I'm their fantasy. Yes,
because that's all. Of course that's a lot, but of
course that is a lot ass. That's a lot of ass,
like a lot of asty, but it's ass. And so
you got that. It's a it's a gluteus maximus. You
(08:01):
know what I'm saying, saying the Latin honey, motherfuckers. We
want to hold we want to we want to the country.
Like you're like, wait, wait a minute, hold on, wait
a minute. I'm looking at what where are we at? Well,
what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You got control of this situation. And it's just like
I talk every time somebody comes here, I always tell
them I'm a woman in charge, right, And so I
want you to know, even if I'm even with me
screaming that fucked me, daddy, I'm giving you a command.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Always coming from you, not from your brains, from you.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm giving you a command.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, okay, I like this. It's not submission, it's a command.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's a command. You gotta we gotta frame that we
got a frame. Are giving you a command, I'm giving
you a command. I'm a woman in charge. Even when
I get down on my niece and look up to
you in your eyes and tell you, oh my God,
feed me that dig baby. That's a command of command.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yo, okayes, Yes, I think I may be learning something.
It's a commander.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Isn't the way you use your throat. It's a command.
I'm on my back and my knees or to my ear,
and I'm telling you to jack harring me, jack knife
me do that stuff, jack knife. It is a command.
I'm in charge here as I'm on my back, I'm
sending it to doubt Jack. Fifty one percent of this
(09:17):
goddamn company. Yes, now not.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Fifty fifty one, because you always have the majority of steak. Yes,
it is maybe that one percent, but it is all
is your one percent.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's correct. What I'm saying, woman in charge?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
What do they?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What did he say?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
On?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know me?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I'm the h B I C I'm the h E
and I see h N I s niga in charge.
This is you know. I want you to know this
and this and that's that's what. And every time that
I'm dating a man, they always think that they are
smarter than me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Always, But that's like a man, that's Man're not smarter
than me, sir, because you got him from you got
it from both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You're correct. Huh my, my, my buddy of a tells
me that I operate a duality. I said, no, I'm
I only work on one frequency. And that's that's ruler.
I only work in one frequency, roller queen, that's goddess, yes, ma'am,
I only work And he says that I'm I'm a sorceress.
I like that though, well, of course, well he thinks that,
(10:17):
which I'm not. Why what is why? Though? What is
the evidence to back this up? I mean, you are,
but what what? What is it? He don't want to
speak from the bag? Quiet, Yeah, let me look at
this talk so much trash. She put you on, frustrated
on this camera. How do you want to say something?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Mm hmmm. But he says that, he says, but I
tell him that I'm not. I'm just like, oh, I know,
I'm crying. What's wrong? I don't know, don't get a tissue.
And it's not even an emotional moment. You imagine when
it starts getting there, He's already got We're just talking
about sex girls. Hold on, this is what happens on
(10:57):
the Outlaws podcast. Anything can happen. My god, we haven't
even got one piece and one question. We were just
here talking about our our love, lies and stuff like that.
He he also says that he thinks that I hate man,
which I do not. I don't think you hate man.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I just think you you come with what you give them.
You get it how you give That's my thing. So
like if you feel like they're coming for you, feel
like they're trying to give you that emotional that you
give it back to.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
One, Well, it's because I believe in I believe in
what's the energy matching energy energy. I believe in that
like you a dog. You haven't seen a dog, a dog,
but you compared to me a little dogs called you
(11:48):
have seen a dog. Yes, you don't know nothing about
no doduel. Let me show. Let me teach your thinking too,
and see all the type of person that you'll be
cheating on me in the relationship, and I'll act oblivious
to it and until the last day, and then I'm
gonna you bring them out and then no, yeah, no,
I'm gonna give you the file. No, I'm gonna let
(12:11):
you be murdered with the with the candlestick and show
up to the future like who did who killed my husband?
All while I'm catching it.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
On your insurance killed my husbands getting please, whoever out
there did this to my husband?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Coming for it now?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
A gentleman Lewis say that stop the madness.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And another thing, my lord want to Oh my god,
oh god. So we just opened up the show with
our sex love, you know, because up so that's how
we do. It's been a minute. Some more spotted my
Kevin Costner in the back and I said, wait a minute,
he's only he's only about the guard to one trying
(13:09):
to make that girl. I think that, I think that
he and not probably gonna go out for that one.
You should, you suld. But but he has to get it.
He has to get his arms bigger so he can
really lift me. Listen, you have to you have to
get your Kevin on. Yeah, because I'm a bigger Rachel.
That was a mini Rachel. That's man, that's many times
I'm a bigger Rachel. You got to get the Plus
(13:31):
South Rachel, he got get plus arms from me. He's
probably gonna need the entire uh the entire security company.
Lift me up and lift me up? Are you gonna
do covers? Are you doing original original song?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Shi?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Take me for what I am? Yeah? You know, okay?
I mean but will will dub it over something for
a track? Listen, there's autoitudes. Yes, so we talked about this.
We just had some funny so you guys already know
what this episode. Just get race. So I'm just gonna
take a round to top. What's something out of the
see of the madisone coming to you? Loud love and
(14:09):
always end for an incolor From the Outlaws podcast with
none other than Tea. It's Madison and today my special
guest is the winner, oh of Rupe Paul's Drag Race
Season thirty?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Do you do again?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Get doing it again? Because I I gotta put more
pussy in it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And the winner.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Of Rue Paul's Drag Race Season thirteen is said, Yes,
so I'm here with the winner of Rue Pauls Drag
Race Season thirteen? Was that the season that I came on?
And I think so, yes it was? It was the
season you came on.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
You were guest judging at the time, and I remember
they told us that you were coming next day, you know,
and I freaked out because I was like, because I'm
still a fan by the time, I was like, we
never met each other before, and I was like dying
over you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And so when you came in and they told us
that I was like your kid. They said, I loved
you when you walked out there and I saw that delicious,
beautiful dark yes, and it was delicious. It was beautiful, delicious.
And I leaned over to mother and I said, I
said to her, I said that she's gonna win the show.
Oh bit, But what what what week was that? What
(15:19):
week were you that you remember? You remember?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Where?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
What look was it? That's how I have to break
it down, ship, I have to break it down. Oh hell,
hold on, hold on, wait a minute, you know, like
a dream. Let me think, hold on hold it. I'm
asking questions. I remember. It wasn't the snatch game, No,
that was I feel like, no, it wasn't. It was.
(15:44):
It was the beads.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It was when we did improv, Bora, when you said double,
I said, I got one.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
It was that you work amazing. Thank you you were
like so good and not just so good. You just
had the charisma, the uniqueness, the nerve and the time.
You had the cunt. I had the count like the count,
I have the cunt. I've been in the country. Yeah,
well we'll talk about that. But wait a minute, this
bra is really Oh they scratching your sister?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Know the wire No?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, what are wire hangers doing it? That ship was
killing me over I know it was. I got some
big titties. You do when it was a scratching it?
Oh my god, tear up, take it out. So you
(16:43):
walked out on that stage and you did the boy you.
I said, oh my god, she's so good. I'm telling you.
I leave over the roof got it. I said, those
girls better be scared of that girl back there. And
then it was like when you when I saw you
up and blonde and up. And because I'm a Roope
haul fan, I haven't saying I have no, I have no.
(17:03):
I don't care how much I sit next to that
woman when she comes around that corner.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But it's like magic or it's like the first time everything.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah what is that dude? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Do do do? Do?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Do do do? And she and she gets you know
what she doesn't. She gives that look yes, and I'm
like over here, I'm like, oh my god. It's just
like it's just like, oh my god. And then she
walks beautifully. I I never tire of it neither. And
(17:43):
she's sixty she's sixty five. I think sixty five. Yes,
sings all right, yeah, she's singing five years old. And
she hits that corner and every time I'm so stars,
I'm like in awe.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Everything it makes me think back to like the first
time I saw her, and it makes me in my
head revert back to that like teenager every time.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I like, that's where my head every single freaking time.
It's not like like no matter how many like I
can go and then we could do a new season,
then we can do All Stars. And like it's just
like every single time she comes up, and when I'm
watching it at home and I said, Mama, hush, and
then they say dude, dude, I say, yes, ma'am, I
(18:23):
was screaming. I don't screaming each time because when she
hits that thing, and it's just like, what is she
gonna wear? What she gonna what is it given?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What is it giving?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And then she always good and it always gives it.
She gets down there to the inlet fucking runway and
it's just like and you have to realize that this
person changed the.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
World, honestly. And I don't know if people realize that.
I don't know if it's like a thing that we're
consciously aware of. I don't know if it's where you know,
some art they don't get their polsu there. But she
truly changed the world. I think I said this all
the time. I think we wouldn't have the rights we
have now if it wasn't for for for her. She
(19:03):
changed the change the goddamn world.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
On this show, I have a segment called talk your Ship,
and so I don't do that. We're about to now.
I'm gonna explain it a bit. Talk your ship. Now,
it's time for you to talk your ship. Okay, who
are you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
What are you proud of? This is your time to shine,
So don't hold back. You brag about who you are. Okay,
what you've done this, ma'am, who you've been with not sexually,
not sexually, but you can okay, but how much money
you've made? Girl, honey, you want this and that, and
this is the time you don't. I do not want
you to be humble any moment, any section, or any
(19:53):
part of this. This is the time that I want
you to make those girls be out there looking at
that screen saying I that cut. Okay. My name is
Simone and my name is Simone, and.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
First and foremost I did run RuPaul Shock Grace Season thirteen,
Crowns by RuPaul, her motherfucking self. Thank you own it,
watch it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's lovely.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I have been to the met Gala, yes, personal invitation
of Jeremy Scott, but through and a win tour.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
She know me, she saw me, and I was there.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I have been to multiple fashion shows. Sometimes the first
drag queen a present at such show, front row, get
into a clocket. I have been to Paris, I have
been to Italy. I have been all around the world
where fashion does exist and they do shows. I have
been on TV IM my personal one out. We did
a movie together. Yes, bro Rose got out to that mother.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah the first.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think that's the first time we worked together and
met met each other.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And I told you, no, we had met before we met.
Well that's for some people, like we were able to
work together, and I told you how much I was you.
You know, every time we see each other do that?
Everyone same? What else have I done?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I have?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I have my own show, Yes called on Tonight with
Simone on Avalon TV, which is currently on While Presents Plus.
I have interviewed Auntie herself. I have interviewed Doci, I
have interviewed lovely guests and lovely people.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's there, get into it and you look amazing doing Oh,
thank you so much. It's my It's my one passion.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's the one thing that like, I'm like, people always
ask me, what do you want to do next? What's
your thing?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
And it's like I would always saw myself hosting a
TV show. I don't know how it's going to mess
up manifest necessarily for now, but that's what I want.
I want to be to get on a show, host
it and like have conversations.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Like this, here is where you Here's where you're holding
yourself back.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh shit, it just got me clocked me as a witch, yes,
s Suressentris.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, my magic comes from love. I'm a love goddess.
But I do know other thing, Oh yes, ma'am. But
as a love Goddess. I want you to understand. You
have to sit stop saying I want oh, and say
I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I am. Okay, let me roll it back.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I am a hostess, yes, of a show called on
Tonight with Simone.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And I am and I am.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I am going to be you know wherever I want it,
and I am going to host that show onward, upward
and more and bigger better than ever.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, there we go, I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, I like that, I am because I already. It's
not that I'm not that person. It's not that it
just hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There we go, I am, I am, and you you
you have to know that those are affirmation that you
tell yourself and you also affirm to the universe that
I know that you have becoming. I don't know when,
I don't know how, but I know where. Yes, and
I'm ready to receive it. Yes, I'm open to receive.
I am open to receive it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
When the I like that when we speak on because
I know we are. You were you raising the Church
of be It, I a it. It wasn't like Bible,
but it was around you. Got some church, have churching
in me. Yes, that's why I knew I wanted to
be performer. So with knowing that, you gotta understand that
the speaking, oh God, oh here we go, here, I
(23:16):
am coming out now the actual are I'm coming out
of the closet. Speaking is the most powerful form of
the craft that you can ever do. You can write anything,
you can light a candle, you can do all this stuff.
But speaking is the most powerful. Because the book tells
us that the Lord spoke and there.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Was that's right when that Genesis they said he spoke
and it was.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And so this is why it is important that you
speak over your speak over yourself, encourage yourself the Lord,
the Lord.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Look at the word the Lord. So you if this
is why this is, it is extremely important for you
to speak I am. And when Moses see I was
listen girl, not Moses, I was. I'm a church kid.
When Moses was out in the wilderness and he walked
her to the bush, yes, and he asked the bush,
(24:23):
who are you? And the bush said, while it was
on fire, I am.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
The power in knowing I am speaks the volume is
that because it's like a confidence thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Is that like a bitch. I am I am, I
am great, I am that, I am he, I am she,
I am them, I am they ever, I am everything.
I am A I am that, I am. I am
You don't you when you want to know? When you
asked me who I am? I am? I am T
S Madison, I am, I am Simone. Yes, I am
(25:01):
Rupe Paul, Yes, I am Beyonce, I am madam. All
of these people can say want they ask you who
you are?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I am?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh my god, you're all of that is power. I
think I've denied that of myself.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Do not.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I know, and I've been I've given obviously, There's been
some examples of me being that person.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think it's just me realizing me believing it. Do
not when people they say, how arrogant and narcissistic I am.
I tell those motherfucking hosts this. Listen to me. When
a person asked me who you I am? TS I
am the TSV. That's that's the word. There are many,
but I am the ts medisine. There will be another
(25:46):
like me. There will never be another like me. Never
I am, and the riches know it. And the reason
I am is because I spoke and said.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Let there be, and it was okay, Now this is
the church I want to go to.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
This is the church I want to go. I'm because
when you when you walk through that north I tell
all of my friends, I was like, stop having stop doubting.
He has stuff over there that he got going on whatever,
I tell him, listen, move doubt. Move it. Where do
you move it to? To the side. It might be there,
(26:26):
but don't let it be in the front. Move that
motherfucker to the side. When you sit in your when
you sent in your tape, you sent in your tape
not to be a competitor. Now you sent in your
tape to drag wish to win.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Absolutely, I think, I think I do things. This is
my this is my the amazing my brain. I do
things knowing what I want in it. But then I
shy away, like I'll send in the tape and I
was like, I want to I'm going I want to win.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
See this is what you're saying. I want to win.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I want to do to to And then I was like,
but it's not no, no, no, And then that dims
your magic. There you go, there you go, And that's
the lesson.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm learning that damns. Your magic. What strength is? Your
magic is the knowing you don't know when you don't
know how, but you know. No, you might not have
one if let's say you didn't win season thirteen. Oh god,
you may not have one season thirteen, but you were
going to win All Stars. Yeah, you may not have
one season thirteen or also, but you're gonna, but you
(27:23):
would win Global All Star. Yeah. I am, I am,
I am, therefore I shall be. And I spoke it,
and the one it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is why I exist to tell all of my
queer people this. You are a gift from God. You
are an answered prayer. You are oh wow, because someone
related to you was trying to figure out how to love,
(27:57):
how to have patience, how to exist, and they couldn't
do it by themselves, so they needed an obstacle. Queer
people become might be an obstacle to their parents, to
the loved ones, but it's really not an obstacle. It's
a gift because it challenges, It challenges everything that you
(28:19):
pass for. When you ask God give me patience, you
think he's gonna give you automatically he she they them,
You think they're gonna automatically give you patience. They're gonna
they're gonna throw you in a situation. It's just like,
oh my God, I supposed to have the patience. I
gotta I gotta do this. I gotta do this when
God gave us to our parents. Two things I tell
(28:42):
my mama, I said, Mama, I'm a reflection of a
prayer that you ask, and I'm a and I am
a suppression to something that my dad was going through.
You know what I found out what one of my
girlfriends says, your dad has a big dick. One of
my trans girlfriends said, your dad has a big dick.
(29:03):
Your trans girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I said, I know.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
He gave it to me. I have one too, bitch
somewhere do you say, I know he does. Bitch? So
what are you trying to tell me?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Good? I hope you had fun. Great. So I tell
my dad you have the unmitigated goal to feel a
way about your daughter being a transgirl when you're giving
your dick. And then my dad said, well he don't
look like no Well, she don't look like no man
to me, and you don't either, I know, but that
was his thing. She don't look like no man to me,
(29:38):
I said, oh, so you did do it? Oh? Not
telling on yourself? Oh so you did so. You looking
at me is a mere reflection of something that you suppressed.
And you can't. You haven't you haven't that what?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah? Here it is sign.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And God didn't just give you a regular homseection. No,
he gave you one of these. He gave you a
z y m clocket. Listen, my mother is a My
mother is a strong advit believer in Christ. She says,
my mother is an advit believer in saving souls. I
(30:20):
can believe I see it because you're reminds my grandma. Yeah.
Do you know what people tell my mother? How can
you your advocate for Christ when you can't even save
your own son? Oh? Fuck them? Listen what she saying. Response,
my mother says, my child is a gift to me.
My child has taught me to walk by faith and
(30:40):
not by sight. My child went out into the world
with two suitcases and nothing, and my child is a
great individual in the world that her faith. Yes, ma'am,
my child taught me to walk in my faith and
not by my sight. My child was a lesson to me.
(31:03):
It's don't you ever speak anywhere about my kid. Yeah,
and what God, if my kid and me don't lead
you don't lead you to love Christ. I don't know
what can because because I instilled in my kid. You
see how I brought everything back to the word, the
word the word. Bitch, I don't believe everything in the book,
(31:25):
but I cheery pick it just like them. Motherfucker, you
get what you need. I believe that I am. I
believe that I speak and it is so, ma'am. And
I believe that we do walk by faith and not
(31:46):
by sight. I believe these things.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, and that's all you need though, That's I said,
that's all you need, those three tenants, that is that
is life. That's the lesson most people takes. Most people
don't learn or take their whole life to learn.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And so you got it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You learned.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
You learned it quick and early. Listen, I said, I
was fourteen years old in the spirit the Holy ghost.
So whatever you want to call it, hovard over me
and said that person is going to be your friend
and y'all gonna work together. It was RuPaul Andre Charles. Wow, bitch,
I was fourteen fourteen. I don't know anything about no
voice or no spirit. Right, I'm like, what the hell
is that talking to me? Talking to me?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Me?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Who's me? Who's that? Maybe it was me reaching from
days of future past? There you go, x men, right,
you see that the men did the word. It always
comes back to the word. But I knew. I knew, Simone,
I knew when you walked out on that stage, I knew.
(32:45):
I don't know if you knew. I did not know.
You didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I didn't know doing it, I didn't know. Looking back
on it, and what the mindset I had to put
myself in. I knew now. But like in it, you're like,
I'm just to make it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I saw on the guitar, I said, a star, thank you,
not that I didn't see it. A star and all
the rest of the contestant. There are many stars in
the sky, but then there's the sun. Oh man, do
not make me cry. I want you to know that
there are many stars in the sky, and then there's
(33:21):
the sun. I saw it. I looked when you and
I leaned over to her. I said, Mama, this girl
looked like you. I said, she looked like you, mama,
because I still call her mama. Don't give a fuck. Yes,
I said Mama, this girl looked like you. This girl
is gonna win this motherfucking shell. Bitch. I said, those
(33:42):
girls better get ready, those girls better, those girls in
the back. And I love the girls, of course, you
love them, and I saw stars in them too. But
I said, Mama, and this girl gonna win this show.
And I think that was what episode was that you
where is?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
When you are?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That would have been like four or five or I
had just got there. No, it had to have been three.
Had to be it had to be four, because yes,
so it was four because.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I judged the snatch game after that. Whichever was because
the next week I came and judge the snatch game. Yes,
I hadn't seen anything, because you know, they don't show
us nephing. We don't know anything. You come in no
preconceived notion. When you walked down that thing, I said, bitch,
I promise you that was the bees runway too, bitch.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The bora week pocket, naming the hair lovely lovely two piece,
be the least used putting your hair as a little girl.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I leaned over to Mama, I said, Mama, that girl
gonna win this show. Oh that was early, Yes, that
was early. I said, Mama, that girl gonna win this show.
I said, that girl look like you. You don't see
you in that girl. Mama. She was like, that bitch
is bad. She said that confirmed. She said that, I
(34:58):
promise you lean over to her. I said, Mama, that
girl gonna win the show. And I and that was
four weeks. That was four weeks, four weeks and yeah,
I had just got there. That's crazy. And when you
turn around the runway, you had like this on the back,
it's sit. You made a statement. Oh you're talking about
the That was the fascinator runway? All wait, yes, and
(35:21):
what did it say on the back? Say their names?
Say their name? And my my thing was, I say, now,
that's how you make a statement, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
But the fashion make it mean something. That's always That
was all that was my That was my my criteria
going into it. When we was boot camp, before we
went in, like we literally from the day we got
the thing, the minutes before I left it was boot
camp and I was like, listen, I fought for that look.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I was like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
It's alsoposed to be like lovely funt oftend, but this
is what I want. This is the one I'm like,
this is it. And that week was crazy because it
was Harriet Tubman week and they don't plan. We don't
plan these things. They tell us the runway and then
we go on. But it's just crazy how that all
came together, and that the Harriot tumming week and then
that's the runway we had the fascinator.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So it was very.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Important that I did that, just because I felt it
was the only way I could actually say something in it,
like all come together and around the world, around the world. Yeah, yeah,
especially at the time which we forget man, like so
much was happening. We were all in our homes making it,
trying to make it, and I was like, I have
to say, like this is the one thing. I have
to say it, and I'm going to be on this
(36:31):
TV show and or international, I have to do it.
Like after that, we can do whatever you want, but
that's the one, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The one that's my now whatever she said in French,
thank you, that means the world's anything, mama. Yeah, you
just had to continue to compete.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I decided to keep going. Anytime this is what's funny.
Anytime I didn't know it and she could see it,
she was. She would get so mad at me, and
it was the the rusical week and I just didn't
do it. I just I just couldn't for whatever reason
it was. And she I could feel how amad she
wasn't me when I didn't, when I lost it in
(37:14):
my brain, like it wasn't in the forefront of my head.
And she got my ass and critiqued. She got me,
and then she critiqued me the ones you don't see
you know when we're back, And I was like, fuck,
she read me.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
She got my ass, you know, because she saw it.
I got there four weeks in, leaned over to her
in the chair and said, Mama, this girl I hadn't seen.
I looked at everybody else on the paper. What did this?
I lean, I said, Mama, this girl gonna win this show.
I said you. I said to her, you don't see it, mamad, bitch,
that's you when you were young, not that you're old,
(37:48):
not as you're old, You're never old, but that's you.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, and she was got yup, yep, yep, love you room,
yeah forever and always.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
How has this I know, I know how yeah, but
the viewers out there watching, how has this changed? Your life.
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I think it totally changed my life because before that,
I just even monetarily. I was just working a you know,
regular based job. Was not even a regular nine to five.
It was like they would call you in type of thing.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It changed it. It changed my life forever.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I I was able to take care of my mom,
I was able to take I've been able to take
care of my friends and like help people through this,
I've been able to help myself through this. I learned
a lot about myself. It changed my perspective on myself.
It made me realize that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm not I'm not worth it. Liss Oh you got them,
I got it. It changed It changed everything. When I
tell you that, that's what I mean, like from the
top to the bottom of my life. I wasn't a
very confident kid. It gave me a reason to be.
I don't know where I would be without drag. I
(39:21):
don't know if I I.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I don't know I've ever said this publicly, but I
remember I came home one day and I just had enough.
I was bullied as a kid, and I just I
just had enough, Like I was ready, I was ready
to eject.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And I went to the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And and the only thing that the only thing that
saved me from doing that was my mom. I remember,
I remember her saying one time, she was like, if
you ever, if anything happens like that, you might as
well take me with you because I can't take it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
And that was the only thing that saved me. And
I remember.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Drag happened after that, Drag races on the night and
I saw it for the first time, and I was and.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It clicked in my head, like that's it. You're going
to do that, that's it. That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But niece, listen to me the reason, and so it
just it just changed my life's perspective. It changed clearly everything.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You knew you were going to win.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That h.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
This person knew. I don't know if she knew at
the time, but that was your that was the universe
speaking to you. That was God, whatever you want to
call it, speaking to you. Then you knew, you knew subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I think you have to in a way sometimes,
like you have to tell yourself there's a little bit
of like we call it delusion at the time, because
that's the best way to frame it, because you know,
you don't want to seem too confident, too cocky.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So the delusion because you've been taught, you've been taught
that you have to be humble.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But I think on a level like you're right, I
didn't know and I was when I went in there
and I was like, bitch, if anything I'm going to
say on this runway, I do know that. But then
doing the challenges, it just every week, it was just
a layer of becoming and just like working through that
and like trusting myself. That's that's the big thing.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I had to trust myself and.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Know that I and know that, believe it and then
know you know, so like that was the believe it
and then like.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know, look at you here, You've won season thirteen,
and you're here and you are looking back over it
and you are reminding yourself of the affirmations that you
were saying, Yeah, I needed this. It's been crazy. You
reminded yourself of the affirmations that you've been saying. Yeah,
(41:42):
I look over my entire life and over the things
that have happened for me that hasn't that's been pulled out,
the table that's been put up, that's been this, that's
been that and I knew, I know. I again. Life
is to be live in the place joyed, and it's
(42:02):
it has to be lived in the guise of I
don't know when, I don't know how, but I know.
And if you know, you have commanded the universe to
give you your gods. Give me my God. I love that.
(42:26):
Give me my God's bitch.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Them, they you know, yes, you know, give me my gods.
I know that they're mine.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I tell people who are contemplating taking their lives, sweetie,
do not let the enemy blind you with today, because
it is never where you start, it's always where you go.
It's the journey. Do not let the end in me
blind you with today. Do you know how many times
(43:05):
that I was walking the streets, walking and I said, God,
just let me get through the night. God, let me
get back to my apartment. God keep me saying God,
send me forty dollars, send me a hundred send me
one man that'll just fucked me good and take me home.
(43:28):
That'll take me home. But they'll give me a hundred bucks.
All I need is seven All I need is seven
hundred bucks from my root at the time. Give me that,
and I'll keep going. I can do it, and just
let me get through the night let me whatever. I
have multiple homes now, yes, ma'am, call it out. Yes, ma'am,
(43:49):
I have very expensive cars. Yes, ma'am. I have numerous jobs,
numerous shows everywhere. I didn't see it at the time.
All I wanted to do was get through the night light.
And I want people to understand it is never where
you start, It's always where you go. Always. You gotta
(44:14):
not let the enemy blind you with today, because when
the enemy blinds you with today, it takes the way.
It cuts off your tomorrow, It takes away hope, it
cuts your tomorrow. You got that call, You sit on
your tape and you got you got that call. What
(44:37):
if you were to let the enemy blind you with bullying?
What if you would have allowed the enemy to blind
you with hate? What if you were allowed the enemy
just whisper in your ears, take it away, take your
life out. You would not be the winner of season.
You would not be. It would not be the sea mon,
(45:00):
it would not be You would not be. You would
not be able to take care of your mom, your family.
You're this, You wouldn't be able to do that if
you would have allowed the enemy to take to blind
you with today, there's somebody out there watching this program,
this episode, that the enemy is trying to blind them.
(45:21):
Don't do it with today. Don't do it. Don't do it.
I walk the streets. Bitch, I am rich, Bitch, I'm rich.
I don't have to if I want to sell pussy.
I if I do that just because I got and
walking down the line and say, bitch, I want this
(45:42):
and the other, that's because I want to do that,
not because I have to. What a blessing. Yes, But imagine,
Imagine if I would have had those thoughts. Imagine if
I would have just stopped. Imagine if I'd had somebody
tell me, oh, but you've done pornographer, you've been a so,
you've been to this. You can't have this, you can't
do this. Imagine if I would have believed that everyone's
(46:06):
would be different, the whole world would be different. You
wouldn't have the world wouldn't be chanting affirmations to themselves.
I'm dark, brown, dog skin light skins, fluorescing, bas bitch,
I'm black. We wouldn't have imagined, Oh my god, just imagine,
(46:31):
and we wouldn't be sitting here today saving a viewer's
life right now. We wouldn't be sitting here. We wouldn't
be sitting here today reassuring you of some thoughts that
you've probably had in your brain. Because yes, you've won,
you're the grandiose things you still do, but you still
(46:53):
have moments of no because you're human. You're trapped in
the flesh. But never forget that moment when that darkness
was talking to you and you saw it and the
show popped up on TV. Never forget that. Never forget
that you came and you sat down with your Aunty
on the Outlaws podcast and she spoke it to you
and said, bit you is there ever less than God stopped.
(47:17):
I'll never forget that, And never forget that the enemy
almost blinded you with today.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
We rout that on my mirror when I woke up.
Don't be blinded by today. That's good, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Was that original? That's a TS original? Honey, doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I don't do. Who's it all?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
We've gotten down to the last part of our show,
and the last part of our show is called bannitt
ban it. Oh God's now some people are out here
banning drag shows, LGBTQ, plus books and even our very existence.
But we're flipping the script. Now, what's something you would
(48:14):
ban if you ran the world. Now here's how it works, Okay,
we each get a minute to make our case for
what needs to go. Producers will keep track of time
and call out when they're thirty seconds and ten seconds left, gorgeous.
Let me kick it off to show you how it's done. Dude.
All right, my name is TS Madison, and I want
(48:41):
to ban weak lace glue, weak lace glue. I want
to ban weak lace glue because you girls be out
here talking about did that motherfucking wig won't come off
your head? Bitch, I have went down and dipped in
the water. Just I've dipped my toe in the water
and my wig and slid back.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
I remember me being on a filming Amritive Medicine episode,
honey at Oh, I was over there getting my stylists
had put layers and I'm not going to call out
the glues name because I don't want you to do it.
I don't want the company to lose anybody here talking
to us, But grow layers and layers and layers of glue. Honey,
I got hit with the heat just about thirty seconds,
(49:20):
and that bitch with lifting up. I was like God
in the name above all names, please do not let
my wig fall off on nationalized v in front of
all of these color folks, because one thing we color
folks on play about is our make up and our
wigs and our potato salad. I don't put no, no, no, no,
no no no. So I'm banning all that weak ass
(49:40):
lace glue. I second that as a lace swear off.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Okay, okay, okay, I think I got it.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Okay, Hey y'all, it's the morning. I'm here as the
banner to band Mayo. Okay, I don't want to see anymore.
It's discussing. First of all, have you ever seen undercover
brother I have? When he put in, he had a
trade come to him with Mayo na sandwiches cut up
like they're supposed to be. What's some things in the
higher archic thing them cucumber sandwiches. Okay, they had them
(50:13):
cut up like that. All they had was bread, Mayo bread,
and he put his mouth on it em.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
He'sa you heard that.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
I don't want to hear that. I don't want to
see that anymore. I tasted it a couple of weeks ago.
I put a whole spoonful in my mouth and tasted it.
Nobody needs that. You don't need that. It's disgusting. The
Europeans up there, you're dipping your fries in it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
For what.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
There's ketchup, Okay, there's uh, there's barbecue sauce. Ranch We
love that here. I know what you're gonna say, ranch
is mayonnaise.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It don't taste like it.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
It's a whole other category. So I want mayonnaise gone.
I wanted to cease to exist. Okay, you don't need that, honey.
There's all kinds of condiments out there.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Get rid of it. I don't want to see it anymore.
Wait a minute, yes, I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Wait a minute. But you want to bed may mayonnaise.
You don't need it. Any person that doesn't eat mayonnaise
is homophobic. I don't like him sometimes, that's right. I
don't like him sometimes either.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Let's get into that. See you just just kiss that.
Anybody that don't eat mayonnaise is homophobic. How the fun
can you have elotase and not putting mayonnaise on the
boom and not.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Putting elotases on nothing. No, it's crazy to do.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You remember off of dream Girls when Jimmy thunder and said, man,
I said, no mayonnaise on the chicken sandwich, you see,
And that's in that.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Moment, that one moment of the film. I related to him.
I said, that's what I would have seen it, Man,
what is wrong with that? It's disgusting, the thickness of it.
That when you get it out of the jar and
you like put it on and you put it on
the sandwich and just PLoP it there.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
It's just so what about miracle whib? I'm out. I
don't want I don't make potatoes. I don't eat potatoes.
I don't eat potato salad. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I eat salad when they have the greens in it
and you put a little bacon on it. You can
put some chicken in there if you want to, little cucumber,
a little tomato.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
But the base of stuff is mayonnaise. No, that's what
they want you to think. You band mayonnaise. I'm just
gonna drop down.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
No, see, you can band mayonnaise by itself. But you
can't band ranch. It's two different things. That's why they
call it. That's two different names.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
What about blue cheese? You know what, I'll say this.
I did try blue cheese by accident.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
You see the maze in my brain, right, I tried
the blue cheese by accident.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
I was like, it can stay. You need mayonnaise on
a sandwich. No, no, you need when you're not eating mayonnaise.
You'r homeophobia. I am, I am. You're a home of
You are the winter of season thirteen on drag Race and.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
You're not eating man. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Somebody put it.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Somebody put in the comments jointy man, Please don't leave
me out here, by my.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh my god, miracle window. I don't want that either,
or that yoke that aill, that oil, honey oil.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
The Bible says, don't be equally. You gotta equally yoked
with your partner. I can be yoked in other ways.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't need mayo. There's a yoking for everybody. And
that the name. Please don't man. Man must have ketched
up and get into it. What about that madens? Oh
my god, I'm mann. I'm lazy and gentlemen is has
(53:42):
been the Outlaws podcast and my very special guest, my
niece who I love dearly. I love you, the winner
of Rul's Drag Race season thirteen. Yes, that knew she
went when she put in hard Man. That's how you
(54:02):
do it. Call it out, get into it now. Let's
cook this chemera for us about these new girls. Okay,
bye girl, I love playing Jane.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Alicia Piece, I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison.
Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krinchicch and our producers are
(54:37):
Joey pat and Common Bar. Our video editor is Tyler
rabeno Witz, and our sound editor is Just Crimechicch. Our
associate producer is Trent high Tower. Special thanks to our
producer's assistant, Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by
Wazi Merritt. Our show art is by Pablo Montena. Got
You Next Week, Honey two
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.