November 11, 2025 • 58 mins
Vegan icon, actress, and sunshine personified Tabitha Brown joins TS Madison for a conversation that’s part sermon, part business school, part family reunion. From praying for Wendy Williams to praying for her own peace, Tabitha shares the lessons that built an empire rooted in love, partnership, and purpose. In this episode, TS and Tab move from laughs to hallelujahs—swapping stories about hustle, healing, and how faith and fight can coexist in the same woman.
In this episode: that time Tab prayed for Wendy Williams, why (and how) to give ignorance grace, Tab’s five-year evolution from making Un-Tuna on Facebook Live to creating first vegan cooking competition on Food Network, recognizing misalignment even as your dreams come true, how Donna’s Recipe and her McCormick seasonings were born, social-media copycats, Maddie’s Facebook demonetization, future plans, and knowing when to log off and let God handle it. Also, Tab coaches Maddie on how to launch a proper merch store. Is there going to be "Outlaws" merch in our future?!
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🎬 Loving this episode? Head to the cinema this week and catch Tabitha on the big screen in "Unexpected Christmas" — now playing in theatres!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, don't wear twenty two inches bed b b
d bed bum yourself here, that puss up, get a job.
Oh ricking honey, rick hodon, he chasing all.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm black like that, he.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Sbout living.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's color easy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. I said, we're not
cutting up to day. Is it on? Honey? Is it on?
Is this miss recording? What's up? YouTube?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Land, Twitter and Instagram, land, snapchat, grind and all that
other ship. This is TS Madison coming to you loudlive
and in color from the Outlaws podcast. Listen, let me
tell y'all something. It has been a day for me,
but I'm sitting here with one of my good, good judies.
I have watched this woman blossom. I've watched her speak
(01:17):
life into people. I've watched her cook almost it almost
turnt me. She almost turnt me. I've watched her make untuna.
I've watched her make car hot dogs. I've watched her
I've watched this woman be unapologetically herself. And I've watched
God move move earth in heaven and bless her immensely.
(01:43):
I've watched her love on her husband. I watched her
retire her husband. I've watched this woman become a mogul
right in our face and then ask nobody, and it
was her business and she could do whatever she want
to do because it's her business. Ladies, gentlemen, I want
you to put y'all hands together. From my good girlfriend,
my sister, from another mister, Missith, I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I tell you this all the time, like every time
we talk, I tell you I love it. Don't hesitate,
thank you, and I love you back. And you do
every time I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Text you? You do? You do? Like girl, what you're doing.
I see what you're doing. What you're doing, what you do?
Bring you down? What do you do together? Shut up?
Shut up, shut up. I got friends everywhere telling me
to sit out somewhere with all that noise. It's all right.
Lord still working on Lord. Yeah, he gonna work with
(02:38):
me to the end.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And speaking of the Lord working on you, because I
know we got to get into all this crazy shit
on the car because but we're friends, yes, and so
I'm gonna do this, cards friend, the way you pray
for Wendy Williams, My god, oh my lord, you prayed
for Yeah, I learned something from that. Yeah, I learned
something from that. Tab I didn't apply it. I'm not
(03:03):
gonna tell you I applied it, but I learned to learn.
What did you learn that you didn't? I learned because
my mama tell me to do this all the time.
My mama says, speak well of those that speak something
against you. Now, I'm not saying the woman spoke against you,
but the woman said, had you had your name all
over the place with stuff and talking about your marriage
and your husband or whatever, because.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's your hoosb. He held you down.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You turned around, and you you help him down when
it got to a place where he was able to
do that, and that's your business, is Yeah, Unfortunately that
may not have been the case for her. You just
speak ill of her. Not you pray for my God,
did God do a mighty move? He did, and you
praying for it. Now that while we seeing him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I'm still I'm still praying. I've been praying for it since.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That day and now we see him more over, well,
we pray that she stays.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, you know what, everybody punt your ends right here
the mad it because this is where the brend needs.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Come in the room, Jesus baby. That was one of
them things. We talked about that on social media forever.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Y'all did, and I ain't never talked about everybody did,
but we did.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Y'all was y'all was cutting up them. People started calling
me a witch.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
They did.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
They said that by my mama too, But my mama.
My mama said, hey, listen, touching.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But the book say touch not and do my profits
no harm. The books say that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, we didn't say the book said that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So well, when we saw it, I was like, and
then there, I don't see so much jealousy surrounded with
you and your husband. I don't see so much negativity.
And I love how you pay that ship. No attention
you paid. Ain't your business. They got to do with
you nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Gotta let him let him talk, Let him have it, honey,
let him.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But also, you're welcome, because I mean, then what would they.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I gave you something to talk about, hot topics, whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're welcome, sister. You you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm gonna start so many different places they'll find somewhere
to put I want to talk about because he and
I talk about this incessantly.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You retired your husband. I did.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I retired him from law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Because you was like, my husband not gonna be out there, So.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What when he can go and live his dream and
work with kids and do basketball, which is what he does.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why would he?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know why she retired to husband. Y'all she're rich,
he is that far. She rich And she said, I'm rich,
and that means my family rich. And I'm not finna
have my husband out there riching his life, about to
(06:10):
lose his life and can't come home to me.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's just din't makes sense. Yeah, he ain't got to
do that.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And a lot of you host, a lot of you people,
it's the dream. It's whatever in the cup. It's gotta
cutting up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
A lot of you people will never never get understand
that because you don't got the valuable man.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
We are the valuable relationship or a value relationship. Yeah,
or people don't understand partnership, Tell me about it, like
we are real partners. Like my husband was never just
my provider, right, just like I'm not his provider.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We are partners. That means we are in this together.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
When I didn't have, he didn't have when he had,
I had like, this is how we are, and this
is everything we do.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We do it together.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So it only makes sense if I am strong in
one place, I want to bring my husband up to
be strong with me. It don't make sense for me
to send him out into danger while I'm over here
in a safety zone if it's if it's not needed, right, So,
real partnership is like, oh, take care of you, just
(07:17):
like you would take care of me.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
All these years, I fifteen years in la odd jobs.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I worked at Macy's, I worked at court call, I
worked at a nursing home.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I worked in contract manufacturing.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I drove uber. I did all these.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
You know, odd jobs while pursuing my acting career, doing
auditions for free, doing you know, plays and movies, getting
paid two hundred dollars, fifty dollars, coming home talking about baby,
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
This is gonna be the one, This is gonna be
the one, and make fifty dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And he'd be like, okay, bae, And he would go
to work every day every day. We never ever been evicted.
Mortgage or rent was always paid. I likes ain't never
been cut off. I pay utilities and stuff back in
you know in the day, and I I put money
to the side and put stuff on it. Okay, he
didn't know how I had the system going, but I
would do it. But he made sure all the major
(08:06):
bills were taken care of and we were we were
taking care of right. And so how dare I get
to a certain place and not reward our partnership with safety,
with love, with honor for what he has done for me,
Like with my whole heart.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I honored that man. I love my husband.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, yeah, I know, yeah, And watching y'all, sometimes
it gets people to this place because they don't understand
it because they haven't they don't have a partnership like that. Yeah,
they don't understand a partnership like that. They don't understand
a woman saying the things that you said, because sometimes
a man haven't been that good to them. And it's
(08:52):
not about because I don't want to say something bad
like where they chose the wrong men. Because I do
believe that all men come some all people, all people,
all of us have something. All people's cumb with something. Yeah,
and it's whether you're gonna right riding some some people
are worse than others.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
This is true, and.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Some some of those folks out there have picked peoples
that's worse less they are.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, but I.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Admire your marriage. I admire the way that you love
on your husband. I admire the way he holds you down.
Admire the way that y'all get on there and y'all
do tabbing.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Chance.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know, it's just you you are. You are a
ray of positivity. Where do you originate from?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Where am I from? North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So that in North Carolina, me and my husband were
born and raised out in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
If you knew where it was, me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And you would have already known each other a long
time ago. That's how small it is.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Eating eden the garden. Come on, you better know it
was there any figs there? Listen, you want to know something,
Tell you know how deep I know? I know that word.
Oh I know. Your mama made sure.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes she did, Yes she did, Yes she did. And
my my mother loves you. So we me and my
mama didn't know we was watching you at the same time.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh really, we didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Know it because my mama, my mama, he always be
following out because my mama got know how to be
on social media. Okay, he said that stuff. Trump me out.
How Miss Mary know how to post on social media?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
She be posting the elders is grown. Okay, they know
they didn't figure it out. They figured out how to
do some.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Things she posted and she'd be following, she be liking.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You'll be seeing her liking something, and she like, I
love I love, I love her and tall.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
She did insteal that in me.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Now, what I like about you is that you not
one of those people who, oh, I'm saying christ I don't,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Girl. I'm like, well, well, where y'all Christian people come
at that, that act like that?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You do know the Lord sat with the sellers listen.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I think we have all been so programmed. And when
your programmed, you don't get a full relationship on your own,
like I know the Lord personally, right and so, And
my mama was a pastor right before she passed, like
in her later years of life, she was a pastor.
So the things that she always taught me was like,
(11:35):
who are we to judge? Who are we to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Act like we are? God?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I am not, But what I know I'm supposed to
do is love, period point blank.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And that's all you give that's it's like all I
remember we came to see you when you had the
shop over.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There, Yeah, with the restaurant what it was called. Yeah,
I pulled you had treated me like, yes, we have
a good time.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You ate mushrooms.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I did five much room. Thought they was gizz us,
but they won't. There was mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now that niggas eyes got big oder he liked gills
were from Florida. Oh see he liked gills. Yeah, so
we we we. I was dating somebody at the time
that was trash. I hope you ain't watching this because
that's how it felt.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But blessed. It's hard, bless.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And I remember we I was trying to get myself
back together with dad. Was terrible, terrible then and then
then we saw you in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, and we had dinner down.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
We had dinner. I set up with your friend. We key,
we cut up. Tell we key, we key girl. It's
just like all the times we ever get together. We key,
you know. And that's what I love that your spirit
is so genuine and and it's so real that that
when I see negative ship about you on the internet,
(13:00):
I'll be want to scrap. I know you don't but
I'll get an.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Got to let it go.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Gotta let it go, because you know, the most of
the time you see those things, it's some strangers anyway,
the people that don't know me. So I'm like, well,
why I'm I be mad about something that from somebody
who don't know me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I may need to adopt that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But I want to circle back tab since I didn't
do this at the top of the show. Okay, there's
a the section of my show. It's called talk your shit.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This means I want you to tell people who you are,
what you do, what you're proud of.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
This is your time to shine and not hold back.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So basically, in a nutshell see this was you know
my producers back there, Honey, they right stuff in a
clean way. I want you to tell the people how
I'm Tamitha Brown. I did this. I built that. I
don't want no humidity in this. Oh okay, I want
you to tell the people you did this.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'm worth this.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I partnered that because don't be ashamed of what God
bless you with. Oh I'm not ashamed, and not just ashamed.
I think that you're not bragging when you speaking facts
about yourself. What youah and who you are, and I
think that we've been conditioned so hard.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
To uh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And we get lost in that and people thank you
bragging when you say I retire my husband. Oh girl,
you no tell us?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Well I did. I told you you want me to
do the whole rundown?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh yeah, okay to Kim. Yeah, hello there. I am
Tapatha Brown. I'm from Eden, North Carolina. I'm an actress.
I am a New York Times bestselling author four times.
I am an Emmy Award winning host. I am an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I own multiple businesses.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Donna's Recipes, my hair, Caroline Fridays with Tabing Chances, my
podcast tab in Chance. It's a fragrance company. Do you
believe Enterprises is my production company?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What else? Honey? Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I have four na A CP Image Awards. Thank you Nick,
my brother over there. I think the most important thing
is I am a wife. I am a mother, I
am a daughter. I'm a lover of all people. Uh
and a. I'm vegan and I love the animals. Okay, Oh,
(16:08):
I love black and honey, I got a fur baby.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I've done multiple partnerships that I probably can't even count
them all. And I've been a lot of things that
I've done that people know. I've done it all in
the last seven years. I've been pursuing entertainment for over
twenty five years. But my biggest accomplishments that we have
all witnessed, like you said firsthand and you watched it,
(16:36):
literally all happened in the last five years.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I remember we were on pause Drag Race and one
of the girls, yes, Olivia, Olivia, Yeah, she played you
on the Snatch Cat.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I wanted to write you so bad and be like,
you're on Twitter, let me know.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I was in Chicago and I was like getting all
these messages and I was like, what I said, ain't
no way, Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I was honest. I was like, she could have win
in even Motive, but.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Because I told her that, I was, but I was
so flat I had we had to take that and
it came out a year later.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Okay, so I knew it already knew.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I knew that whole year, and I was like, I
can't say nothing, but I was like, I just one day,
I just randomly sent you herd yes. But it was
because of that, because I knew what was coming and
and Ruth said, well, who's Tamith Brown?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And I said, girl, I know her, Yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And I was I was telling Olivia, like, girl, next
time you talking about Tabs, the spooner's name.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
The dog's lacky.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's just like, there were things that I wanted you
to expound on, because tab is a is a over
the top sweet personality. That she's an aunt, she's a mama.
You know what I'm saying. She's teaching us how to
eat healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know I did. That's how like a
lot of people found me. It was from cooking, being
in my kitchen on Facebook every day, on Facebook Live
and Color. It was you and that damn she she
know it used to be in the pot.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Baby. Listen. The first thing I ever saw you made
was untuned. Baby.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Wanted alright, did you ever eat something mama, mama make.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Then made that? Yeah, listen, gonna put tune in that.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's untuned chick pee tuna talent.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It was good. It's good, it was good. It is
nonin't eat nothing. She ain't make it for you made
it for me. That's all right.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Next time, yeah, tell So when the Ruth Paul stuff going,
I was like roue, that's that's the bro. She Then
you had got a show on Food Network.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, and we reached that Rember.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We've been talking about it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, you gotta show Food Network because with World of
Woman and you know what I love and a door yeah,
World of One that creates Paul's drag race. You know,
they created my TV Shoulder Tis Mass Experience, all the
other projects and stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That we worked on whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And I knew your show was coming, yeah, because they
had told me. And I was like, oh, wit, y'all
doing my tab you know, yeah, I want to know
what happened with the Food Network because it wasn't because
I was at World of One of the fussing like,
well what happened to my sister's thing or whatever? I
remember you telling me a little bit, but tell tell
us what happened for us, you know, being fans of it,
(19:26):
Like what happened with that?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It was not alignment, right, Like I had a vision
and I had gave you know, my vision and what
I wanted and a lot of things changed without me knowing,
and I don't I don't play like that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right, So.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It was it was very hurtful honestly because I have
worked really hard on being true and authentic, right because
I covered my truth for so long and now that
I'm finally free, I was like, oh you now it
make it. It was almost like you were making me
feel like my my freedom and who I am and
(20:09):
my choices I make isn't good enough. You want it
to You want to change it to something else, and
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I couldn't agree with it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I understand and I know that it comes from the
trope of the network because the networks, we want a
certain aesthetic, aesthetic, and they expect us as people.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Of color, to be a certain way. Yeah, I ain't
gonna do it. No, no, and it won't meant it won't.
It just won't meant to be.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I had the first be I was you know, it
was the first Begon show period but Begon competition cooking
show ever on the network.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I know, and I knew some some flaky shit was
going on when your time slots started moving. I was like, see,
I watched TV. Yeah, and I'm also a producer of stuff,
so I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Like, Okay, something going on. Yeah, But I was very
folk about that. I was not the one.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, you pray for everybody.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But God bless you, God bless you. Yeah, because you
got to give people grace. This is the thing that
I have learned. Even today, I'm still doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I do.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I practice this every day. You must give ignorance grace
because if not, then you get mad. And there is
some time for anger. But you still got to find
your way back to grace because if not, you're gonna
wear yourself out.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But when you say give ignorance grace, tab, what does
that look.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like like what I have shown right, praying for foe,
paying it no mind, saying what needs to be said,
and moving on and going on by my business.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I give your ignorance grace. And because see, bless your
heart because you don't know no better. And if you
do know better, then that's on you. That still means
you're ignorant, and I have to give you grace for that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I tall you sweet as but I know your woolf's
some mads. If you need to listen, you from eating.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It ain't many things that rough for me unless you
mess with my family or you mess with my money,
because I take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
With that money, right.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, And other than that, baby, I'd be like, God
bless you, honey.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
But I can get with you though, Oh I know
if necessary.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's the South.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Listen, one thing about a debt, one thing about a
beautiful smell. It holds a deadly pocket book, and that
pocket book could be heavy. I'm from the South, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
But you know, grace is even more powerful because people
don't see it coming sometimes, you know, grace cuts you
so deep you don't know you bleeding to you at home.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Now, you ain't got but one house left.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Baby, you and you didn'et got it to the house
and when you get out the car, you limping.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You the lord this around and got cut and didn't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well you knew because you came in there and you
was acting crazy and you got cut up.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, but you didn't realize it because see you rack,
and I was here.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Cutting you up with the grace.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It works, it, dude, It's sufficient.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I be I want to take a page from your
book to do this, but you know I'd be tearing
it up.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I know you, noney. You don't have to let.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Me tell you why, because sometimes you hear me out
the blue says I'm checking in on y'all said, Oh, ship.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
She don't watch and stuff. I'm telling some people up
Nigga be checking in too.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
He's like, yeah, we got to get get her, get
her together and there, okay, come bring bring it down.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
We got to reach over the ground she over snap
her back in. Yeah, she over there. The hurricane she's gone.
Let bring them back back.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah. We told her the bucket of Winter's daffle, that choice,
hurricane lose. Listen, And sometimes when you all see me
in the calling down, my sister's doesn't reach out, you'll
reach out to me, my nikkery, my mama will already
be over there.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Lord in the pleasing the name of Jesus. I'm like,
move by, Mama, Move blessed, blessed miss Mary out.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But let me tell you some one of my favorite
things is when that typing Me and Choice do that
to this.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Day, baby me and say typing baby, but your.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Mama was back there, hold a scripture, mama, baby, you
better keep it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
In the comment.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You better keep it typing baby, and me and Choice
will do it. Anytime somebody will be like, you better
be typing. You better be typing, because that's really all
to put you know, That's that's what social media is
in the Internet. They ain't doing nothing typing they do,
but y'all keep it in the common.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Keep it down now, because if you get anywhere near me, baby,
why this hurricane going, baby's coming off.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I guarantee you you're gonna have no motherfucker roof. I
mean that ain't no roof for nothing.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, So, tam, I want to I don't want
you to go too deep what you men. I want
to talk to you about this situation with Target. I
want you to talk to me from a place of
what you can talk to me about what happened with
you and that we know what happened with them, right,
that's what happened, But what happened with you and them?
(25:03):
Like how did that sever Like did you did y'all?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
How did it? Did you know? I mean, I'm still
in Target, Like I'm on a contract.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I told people that from like in January when I
found out at the same time you found out. We
all found out together, right, and I'm still so like
hurt by Yeah you know, but I am under contract,
like I have explained this so many times. Although there's
people that we give their ignorance grace. So there's two
(25:33):
ways that I'm well three really, but two ways that
I'm with Target, right partnership. I'm a Target partner, which
means I have a licensing deal, which means I created
all those products, from the clothing, the furniture, the food,
the kitchen supplies, all the things. I created and designed
(25:53):
those specifically for Target. I don't own those. That's a
licensing deal, right, That's not like a passion for me
to be like, oh, I want to create this for myself. No,
but Donnad's recipe. My hair care line that I own
is in Target as a company that is on chef Space, right.
So that's two different ways that we're in business. And
(26:15):
I'm still under contract for my partnership for my license
and deals over the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So do you sell your stuff now more on your website?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I mean we've always had the website.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That was the other thing. You know. There's people.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
They were like, she should just put u stuff up.
I have a website. I'm like, I've had a website
for eight years. We all have a website. Every business
in there has a website that we sell direct to consumer.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Drop Ship one of the people's that I told it
was on the shelf.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It well, blessed, it don't matter, I know, but I
think it's just people assume that you're dumb, and I'm like,
you think we got this far all the other black
owned businesses that are in Target without having a website already.
You don't go into a retail space without a website, right,
(27:16):
You go in there for more visibility. This is how
you scale your business, right, this is how you get wealthy.
Try to create generational wealth by going into retail and
hoping that they extend it and go into more doors
and you know, more locations. But you always like, for me,
anytime I start a business, I'm gonna sell on my
(27:38):
website strictly exclusively only for that first year, so that
I can get all my data, I can get my
own email list, I can look at the numbers and
see how my customer's spend.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, there's a science to this.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You don't just create a product and just go straight
into the store without not if it's your own right,
without doing your own your own cring, your own database.
But we all have website, and we all have our
own fulfilled men and we ship and do all the things.
But there's nothing like retail chef space that that that
(28:11):
visibility is. It's a different level, it's a different beast
it is. I know that for sure, because Yeah, even though.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm gone from that life, I was one of the
first black girls that had DVDs in the retail. I
had the South lockdown with the dv and I was
creating DVDs, packaging it up and selling it to the stores.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh wow, where I was my own. I took the
middleman out of the way. Yeah, you was your own distributory.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Listen, girls, we talking about me, but I've been a
girl that was getting my going from a long time.
I moved that middleman out of the way, and I
told him listen, buy from me, mm hmm, directly directly
by from me.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I will supply you with what you need.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know what I'm saying, You don't need to talk
to because the distribution comes. Oh we're gonna take this
percent and we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Do that's taking the weight off of you. But yeah, yeah,
give me the way.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, weigh me down, yep, because the way they were
trying to do it, they was making me I was
gonna get less profit, you know, And I was like, no,
I could do all this. Yeah, I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I could do this. I could. I could package it
up and I can. I can physically ship it there
or drive it over there, whatever I had to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had to soph a lot Bay. Listen, they couldn't
keep my DVDs on the show.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
This is why I was such a I was in
a households way before I was in the household. They
couldn't keep my DVDs in the ship like they used to.
I used to have posters all in the wall or whatever,
and they would come in the store and people were
still they were still my stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But listen, that's I mean, you have that experience of
knowing how retail shelves work.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It made me popular bigger. That's why I can't escape
this that I can't escape it now. And that's why
I never heard what I've done. Yeah, because I know
I got so big in it by being underground. People
think underground is like, oh girl, you know nah. Usually
the biggest stars, the biggest brands, the biggest start underground,
(30:22):
and when people be coming in, they always on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, oh girl, I can pray such and such here
and get it da da da da. So I get so,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's something you said that you can't escape it. There's
nothing to escape. It's part of your story.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But Tam, you know, sometime they try to use that
stuff against me, like especially when I'm occupying spaces like.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
This, right, but sometimes who who is the.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I receive it, Oh okay, it's part of your story,
like this is why it's important. And look at you,
look at us sitting here having this good conversation on
our heart. It's part of your story, it is.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And I just there are times that I'm just like,
not girl, when they get the putting me on the
blocks and stuff like that for stupid stuff. I'm like,
oh yeah, all he you know, all he do is
pooring anyway, I'm like, girl, girl, there's no way that
you said that you you can go to your home
right now. I say, hey, Siri, Hey Google, Hey Alexa,
(31:22):
Hey who is tears? Mass ain't nothing? But it ain't
no point on its coming up. It's all this and
TV shows and it's the other because I worked hard
and here you are, yes, but it's just them will
pull that out of the ass crack and be like.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
To try to keep me in that bubble.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, because they're in the bubble, right, So misery loves company, honey,
So they want to bring you there. That's why you
can't give it attention because the moment you do, guess what,
Now you're in the bubble.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm in the bubble tall, I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
The bubble ain't even no fun. You can't even.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Breathe in the I like to fight. Oh no, I
want you to pray good for the.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Fight in contracts and fight for for more money, more
space for bigger buildings. But don't fight history. Don't fight
your past, and don't fight ignorance. I'm receiving it, Nick,
you hear me, Nick, I'm receiving it, and I'm trying
(32:25):
shut up.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hold else She's gonna be all right. Oh hell, you
know you see it in the future.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You see it in the chair, child, But I still
test a man something Now you see the president I
call and something go down.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, and I'm coming like you still gott yeah
you you know you know it's on the way, on
the way, yes, Because I remember that child. I was
over there telling they was they were talking that mess
about you, and I got on that was like honey,
on the chef.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Again. It's on the shelf. Bless them, yep, all the people. Yeah, yeah,
I want to know what is in the future for
you that you feel this in the future for you
(33:24):
that I feel.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Oh, I know that I would eventually do a talk show,
But what is in the real like future that I
can see and taste. I'm going to do a lot
of like scripted television series.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So you still want to be a super actress.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh, I love performing, but also I want to give
my friends jobs and opportunities, right, Like, I got so
many friends that are actors who are phenomenal that they
also just need an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
But I have some amazing stories. A God has like
put me in this.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
This journey of life has given me so many experiences,
and I have supernatural shows.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
To make and my one am in that. Honey, I
believe you might be on in there. Look, how y'all.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We can find we can find the role. Oh, I
can get the caroll your knee. I can be a preacher. Okay,
I can be a teacher. Come on, I can be
an educator. Okay, mm hmm, yeah, tell, I want to
talk a little bit about Donald's recipe. Okay, I watched
(34:38):
the podcast where you where you talked about you sat
down with your friend and y'all made two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I talked about that where it was a part. I
watched it. I did, I made two million dollars win.
It was two million dollars. You said, y'all made that
in a year. Oh wait a minute. Week. We hide
from We're not hide from the turn revenue service.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh no, I definitely hide from the honey Babe, they
get the before I get mine.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I had before, but I used it on. It was
an you put another.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Off and maybe we were talking about and not Donad's recipe.
I might've been talking about T shirts. Maybe, Yeah, that's
what you're talking about. Yeah, and then you went it
to Donna's recipe though, Yeah about you? You and your girlfriend?
Uh huh, sitting y'all made a hair Caroline.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, Donald's recipe. So you know I named my hair Donna.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Back in twenty eighteen, I had did a big chopping
twenty seventeen, cut all my hair off and letting it
grow back, and I sed to Coop Live and honey,
she was growing straight at the top and I was
had a little bit of afro, and I was like,
why is it hair setting up straight?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Looking like Don King. So that's why I started calling
her Donna.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And so I have thenosis in the tip of my
spine from a car accident, so every now and then
I would go have these like episodes. So I had
to lay flat on my back to sleep for like
weeks at a time. So my hair started to thin
in the back. So I was trying to create you know, well,
first I was looking for something to help grow my
hair back and make it thicker again in the back.
(36:00):
But I was new to being vegan, and after being
sick for so long, I was scared to just put
anything in my head. So I was like, I need
to try to make my own oil to grow my
hair back. So I was doing that and I was like, oh,
wait a minute, if I'm having this issue, somebody else
might be having this issue. So I was like, oh,
I want to create like a hair oil, like a
you know, some products for people to help grow their hairback.
(36:23):
So I started trying to you know, create it and
develop it myself. And then I got a call from Gina.
She was one of the moms my husband, you know,
coaches basketball, so her son played for the team and
so that's how we knew each other. So she was like,
I got an idea, I want to run by you.
So me and her med and it was Donald's recipe.
It was the exact same idea. She had no idea
that I was trying to create an oil and she
(36:44):
was like, do this hair care line with oil to
have like grow your hair.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
And I was like, girl, I've been trying to do
this for.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Like eight months and my prayer literally was like two
weeks before God, please send me someone who can help me.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And she was like, I got all the time to
do this, like this is what I do.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And me, I was this is like twenty twenty so
I was taking off, going crazy, like I had no
time to develop and do this, and she was like,
you do your part and I'll do this. And so
that's how we created Donnad's Recipe, and like we launched
January first of twenty twenty one, and this is still
height of the pandemic, right, We created everything during the
(37:20):
height of the pandemic, so it was crazy, but we
did it. And then when we launched, I mean we
definitely had seven figures like in our first six weeks
in sales.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Social media is something, baby, It's a blessing. All you
got to do is get a few people to love you.
Everybody ain't got to love you. Get you a few
people that love you, and then your minister too. They'll
stay with you forever.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
They're very lawyer.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
They'll stay with you forever through in the thing that
you create. Yeah, I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I have the best.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I call them my family. Like people were like, oh,
you'll follow it, I'm like, no, no, because maybe they
show up the tab.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I want to talk a little bit and then I
know we got wrap up. I want to talk a
little bit about the tea. I want to go back
to the two million dollars because I had them on.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't even know, but I know you is it
with Scott? Is every something about the interview I did?
But it was it was a guy you, a guy
guy talking about just how quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, it was T shirt. It was T shirt.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
So I made I started selling T shirts back in
twenty eighteen, and in the beginning I didn't realize that
was like a business, right, you know, I started my
own business back in twenty sixteen, right, I used to
sell waistcapes on Etsy.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And waistcape in the kitchen. It's like a cape that
you put around, like to make your outfit pop.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
So I make them in all different colors, very long
or short, so like you could take this dress if
you want to go here the red carpet, where you
needed something longer, you could get one that was like
hot pink and with TUXI to stripes down and then
you could just tide around your waist and then it
looked like it was part of your dress. It's just
like a waistcape somebody just came up with. But I
was doing it because I was on disability and I
(38:57):
needed some money under the table that would mess up
with this ability shit.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, oh okay, so that's why I was doing it.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
So anyway, but I didn't make a lot of money.
I used to make maybe like seven hundred dollars a
money or something. So then twenty eighteen, when I started
taking off on social media, people were telling me to
like put your quotes on a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
And I was like, ain't nobody buying no T shirts?
And they were like, we really want them.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So I went downtown LA got the T shirts myself,
got them printed, did all the things, came back, loaded
them on my little etzy site. But I only had
maybe like one hundred of two hundred T shirts, not
a bunch because I had to pay for myself.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I loaded them, went to the grocery store, came back.
I was going for twenty six minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I came back to check it, and I was like, Lord,
I must have did something wrong because I couldn't see
they weren't on the site no more. It didn't dawn
on me that they had sold out that fast, and
I was like, what in the world. So I looked
and they had sold out. But what I realized in
that moment when I clicked on you know how you
can look at your dad or your analytics and all
the things, it showed me how many people tried to buy,
(40:00):
and it was over three thousand people. So that was
over three thousand orders that I missed. And so right
in that moment, I said, oh, this business. I just
missed out on some money. So I said, okay, let
me do it again, but this time I'll use their money.
So I'm gonna do pre orders. And so I started
doing pre orders so I can get all the money
up front. Then I would go and put my orders
in and started selling, you know, the T shirts. So
(40:22):
I was making a good like six figures in twenty eighteen,
you know, twenty nineteen and selling T shirts. It was
a very amazing business. But twenty twenty happened. I got
on TikTok when the pandemic happened. So now because at
this time in March of twenty twenty, I had five
hundred thousand followers on Facebook and about two or three
(40:44):
hundred thousand on Instagram, and so my daughter was like, Mom,
you need to get on TikTok. And I was like, girl,
they dancing over there, like what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
She was like no, no, no, it's a different algorithm,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So when I got on there, that those first thirty days,
I had a million followers, and then the next week
I had another million.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It just kept growing.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
So I was like, oh, I need to reintroduce my
T shirts to these new people that don't know me
like that, so they're getting to know me. So I
launched the T shirts again, like all my you know,
payment sayings because it's your business.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Have a good day became you know, don't go messing
up nobody else's.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
And when I launched those, it literally in the first hour,
I made like forty thousand dollars and I was like,
wait a minute, Jesus, twenty four hours. I had made
like one hundred and fifty thousand in twenty four hours,
and it just kept on going and I was like, oh,
this is a business. So that's how I literally started
(41:37):
making a lot of money by owning my own T
shirt company, sell Me, And that was, you know, from
twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So I have a similar story a little bit on
my well when I first popped out. But does this
hype still stay?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Do the hype still stay or do you or you
got to be or does it? Does it or does
it come in waves?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Well? It it's so business, right, so you gotta you
have to feed them what they may want. You know,
you can't keep selling the exact same thing, but you
have the same people, so you always, you know, reinvent
the wheel, like give them something new, test out their appetite.
So when you doing content, you read your comments, you
see what they like, what they say they need. Right,
(42:27):
That's why I did a partnership with McCormick because people
was like, yeah, we want your season You don't be
cooking with no salt, give us a salt free seasoning.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I was like, why, I don't mind if I do.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Okay, So when I partnered with McCormick, I was like,
I only do this with y'allf y'all can help me
create a salt free seasoning.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And that was supposed to be a one time thing.
And then so did you call McCormick or McCormick.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
No, they called me because I had did a just
a one one off video partnership where they asked me
to use their seasonings on one of my live cooking
shows and I said, okay.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It was a beautiful bag. I said, okay, very good,
I shall do it.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Okay, one hour of cooking, let's get let's dokay, And
I made some garlic pasta and the the video, you know, live,
was so huge that they called them like what else
would you like to do? I was like, well, funny
you asked I would like to create some seasonings that
are salt free.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
And that's how that partnership happened.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
But I was only supposed to do one It was
just like a you know, multi purpose salt free sunshine,
and it was like a you know, because everybody was
stuck at home. So I was like, oh, let's put
vacation in the bottle to give people a feeling like, oh,
there's somewhere tropical ride while they're cooking. And it sold
out in what forty eight minutes or something like that.
(43:42):
I know it did, but you had sent me some, indeed, Yeah,
and when I had the other ones, I sent you. Yeah,
you sent some, so I got them, but they were
sold out, but you sent me some, yeah, And I
was like, my mom was in there, yes, and you
us as much as you want to do, hue, because
ain't no salt, and you know, I was looking out
for us.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So but yeah, I think the hype will stay as.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Long as you don't believe the hype, right, So you
got to just be like, Okay, this is what they
happen about right now.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Okay, then you give them other things.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You just got to make sure you know your people
and you also create products that they have to come
back for.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Because I'm always saying something that's going stupid always and
without even trying, I'd be like growl and next thing,
I'm like, oh no now, and then I see another
bitch over.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
There with it.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I'm like, no, listen, you could have the way that
you be saying, stuff the T shirts, all the things,
the businesses that you could have, But tell it for me.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I'm gonna say this. I probably need to get with you. Well,
you can help me with this.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
As long as I've been doing this, I know how
it works. But it's just like having the product shipping
it out.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's that for me. Yeah, it is a lot, but
you can't do that anymore. Right.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
You can't do what you used to do with taking
DVDs at the door. This is why you have to
have a distributor, right, I can't do it no more.
When I first started doing T shirts, I was packing
on myself. I was handwriting thank you cards, hundreds thousands
of them. Then I said, waiting the girl, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I can't do this.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I'd have my friends over there, my daughter, like everybody.
They were all packing and doing the things. Even when
we launched on this recipe, we first launched, we was
all nick we were all in my floor packing them
boxes up.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I got the first wave of donnay. We we did
the work.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Gina was at her house with her family and her
kids and her husband packing boxes. Then they would come
to my house, pick up a load, drop it off
at the you know the ups, repeat, do it again.
And then we was like, I said, girl, this was
doing the holiday break. I said, we I'm about to
go back to work in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I can't we can do this. So we had to,
you know, find a distributor to do.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
That for us. So you got do you have all
this stuff now? Yeah? Okay, then I need to we
need to really sit down and go over some business
stuff we need to get. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, I can absolutely bus you know, yeah, whenever you
want you to take a couple of dollars shit, because
I don't want you to do it for free.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
But listen, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you what
to do and where to go and get it.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Done because I don't I just don't want to be responsible.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
But that's the thing, you just all you really need
is somebody that you can be like say your project
coordinator for your project manager, who will make sure that
they keep all that stuff together for you, but also
show you everything so you know what's going on. So
That's that's the other thing, right, I like to know
what's still going on. I know I got bit eleven businesses,
(46:34):
but I still need to see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
So all your project manageress check in with you. But
you got to yeah, yeah, yeah, because I get to
get to a space. You see me on the email.
Everybody don't need to know I'm on there, but I need.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
To be in there. I want to see Oh so
they b CCU. Yeah, sometime they'll see see me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
If you know, if we need to move the needle
on something and they're getting a little you know, delayed responses,
then I'll belave, We'll see me so that they know
I'm on there and I chime in sometimes. But yeah,
I mean it's still your business, right, So you need
to be able to be in the note.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, I mean I am that way when it comes
down to all my booket and all my other money,
like my hardcore money. But like that money that you're
talking about, that's just tangible. That's just what you call
it money sitting over there. Hey, Gray, listen, it's god
tiptorn at my heels. You know, that's a little that's
a little money over there. But I'm talking about my
other money, like my working money. My just been showing
(47:28):
up in it, you know. But I could be making
you know, because I have made it before. Absolutely, but
I was in it like packaging it.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And you know you ain't gonta do that.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I mean, even if you wanted to do T shirts right,
just just for an example, I'm been giving them a
plug that I shouldn't even give.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
But there's a company and as many of them. One
of them is called print forle right.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Exactly. You just go online. That's how I did my
first two years.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
After I couldn't do it no more going downtown, I
was like to be an easier way. They have a
location in north Ridge, also in the valley here. I
went in there, felt the quality of the shirts and stuff,
went online, designed my own, just typed up words, honey,
and then I would use what is it a fiber
and get me a little designer for back five dollars
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ten dollars sending my words and things I wanted on
the shirt.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
They would send it to me.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I would upload it, put all the different colors, sizes
and everything. You're gonna cut the money, it's gonna go down,
but you ain't got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
So but that is an option. Yeah, I mean that's
what I'm saying, Like I've I done, did all that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, but I'm saying then you ain't doing it though,
then you ain't packing up nothing.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's the fact that you got to get on there
and be like, hey, y'all get the T shirt. Hey,
y'all's put it on your website or wear it or
give it to somebody to wear. Have you know how
many people there's a there's always.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I done did all this stuff. I think that I
got burnt out.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And if and if you are, then that's okay too.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Then don't do it. No, I'm gonna do it because
I need it. No, I want you to know I'm
gonna do it. Yeah, but maybe you gotta take your time.
I want you to understand.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
You say you were forty dollars thirty min hey, hey,
but I'm just saying it's out there so many ways.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Because all my videos be viral, Like it's just sometimes
they be so viral.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'll be like, lord, but then know suspay you at times. Yeah,
and then at time somebody else supposed to shit it.
I'd be like, I got a million, two million views
on it, and that somebody else don't posted it.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
But that's when you click that little thing so that
they have to pay you because they're sharing your content.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
What little thing, you know?
Speaker 4 (49:45):
The little doctor was like somebody has reported that you
were that this content belongs to someone else.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
That's a new thing that they have. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, because you know how like if you got music
playing right, it'll it'll pop up and say you're sharing
revenue with uh someone who owns a copyright here. Yeah,
they're finna cut all that foolishness out. Oh you girl,
you're gonna have to do your own work. You have
to do your own work now.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You ain't gonna just be able to post other people's
stuff and make money off of them.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh you girls that got my stuff out there, they
got million.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah you're welcome, because I could post it to get
fifty thousand and seventy five hours. Somebody else supposed to
then put some ketch and it's like it's okay, I'm
coming to get that. Yeah, it's your money.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh that's kind of money gonna be. It's gonna be
so bad.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Maybe the money gonna be so heavy, it's gonna be
falling over like that.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah. Yeah, we don't come to the end because I
got to talk to you off live tape. We don't
come to the end of the show. Tab and the
end of the show is it bannit Bitch? So it's
what it's called, ban it Bitch. Oh, so this is
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my favorite segment of the show. Now, some people are
out here banning drag shows, LBGGQ, books and even our
very existence. But we're flipping the script. What's something you
would ban if you ran the world. Here's how it works.
We each get a minute to make our case for
what needs to go. Let me kick it off and
show you how it's done. Okay, my name is Ts Madison,
(51:35):
and I run this world, and I'm banning you hoes
that take my content and make hundreds of thousands and
millions of use off of my content. And y'all idea
of saying you ain't gave me a pity. I'm banning
you from being able to do that. I'm banning you
(51:57):
from being able to upload my stuff because I've my
stuff all around this world, not not all around the world,
and I've seen like.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Well, what account this come from? I'm looking at a
video right now on Twitter that's got two point five million.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Views and it's not your and you didn't upload though,
but it's you.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes, it's from this show.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I see stuff that have millions of views where people
on there having discussions about YouTube.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
You better click reports. Oh no, it ain't on YouTube yet.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Them girls on the others, you know and tiktoks because
you see, because I don't know how much because I'm
not really active on my TikTok like that.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah, and they've ben changed a lot of stuff
and people making money over there too on that creative
fun what. Yes, I'm not active on my TikTok, like
it might be time to wake it up.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like because I may post a random something. Yeah, you know,
I know YouTube, my YouTube channel i'm active on and
uh Instagram, I'm not ready. Faith, I don't really because
I would pay. Well they can, yeah, but then they
they algorithm be told and then I got demonetized because
(53:10):
I cussed the bitch out and so you never get
into the root. Yes, here we at the route. Okay,
yes I did get the monetized. I'm being in her
cutting up.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
My name is Sabbatha Brown, and I'm being in ts
Madison from cutting up.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Go ahead so that she don't cut into her fund.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yes, it's I had got the amountetized, see and you
need your money.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
I do, but it was for me.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
But but if you haven't noticed, I've been in the
space of me out of took a break. Try to
let my try to come out of that jail, because
they'll have you in jail for thirty and sixty nine
a day.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
They'll have you in jail for a long period of time,
and they don't have me in jail for a while
you was locked up. Yes, it makes the money.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
But because I cussed the people out and I was like, God,
I gotta stop this now, y'all found them a business side. Okay,
I don't really talk about it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
But the posts, if they was wondering where you had
been over there.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well they know if they know, because they still let
me post. Oh they just won't.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
They just took my money, oh, because that's where they
can get your attention, because we don't care if the
videos get messed up, but the money get messed up.
They just took the money they had demonitor demonetized my
Instagram HM, and they demonetized my face because you know,
I was right.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
I was wearing them out, so I went, I had
to take that stuff off of there. Well, no, I
didn't have to. I left some of the ship up
because you don't punish me.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But you're gonna do better. You already are. And I
believe in you. You're gonna you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah yeah, shut up. I just I thank you, sister.
I need is that. I like that you want You
ain't even need a minute?
Speaker 4 (55:02):
You beat me cutting up, that's it, yeah, because I
want you to thrive and be well yeah, yeah, you're
paving the way.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
But I mean I've made good money and then and
then the way it comes to us, it's like I'm like, girl,
you serious, Like they hit me first and it's like
our girl.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
And they hit that bank account they did, and it's
be like girl, I'm like, all still.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
I can't make no money.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
And then you can't get your lick back. No, and
they take your money. You can't get your back no.
Now I could post about them.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
See you know what did Beyonce tell you?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
She did? That's revenge is your paper?
Speaker 2 (55:39):
He did?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
She said that what she said and that's your friend.
It is.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I feel like I know her person now because she
shouted you out of the concert. I was like, oh
because because yeah, I met her mama. But when she
did that, I said, that's my girl, that's my.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Girl, that's my girl. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
She is like you know, she always I love it.
You know, you know I said, I can't we can't
be you know, but this my girl. Yes, Tall, I
love you. I love you too, thrank God that you
came over here, sat out with me. We we love
you over there in that house.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
And listen, you know, well, if you ever called me,
I'm gonna make sure I don't in the middle of
the night. I'ma make sure.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it as a last resort
because I don't want you to get in no trouble
because you know now, listen, I pull up around now
and I put two cars gonna pull up with me
right right, just went all black and we're gonna watch. Listen,
but the word gonna get out, Get all my sister, bitch,
Get off of hub, Get off my sister.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Don't you don't you say another word about Please help me.
Don't you say ship at my sister.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
She's gonna help me lose weight and get my money back, honey,
and he's some biking food.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Y'all heard what she said?
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Now, Tall, I love you, Thank you so much, Nick,
Thank you for having me. Suster come over here. Love.
This has been Outlaws Podcast with Tis Madison and the
wonderful illustrious Tapatha b I love you God now, God,
dare Camra walk till my sister? What I did? How
(57:19):
you even got banned on the facebookiesus.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are
(57:44):
Joey pat and Carmen bra Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just Crime. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower. Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wizi Eric.
Our show art is by Pablo Martinena. Catch you next week, honey, Yeah,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, don't wear twenty two inches bed b b
d bed bum yourself here, that puss up, get a job.
Oh ricking honey, rick hodon, he chasing all.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm black like that, he.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Sbout living.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's color easy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. I said, we're not
cutting up to day. Is it on? Honey? Is it on?
Is this miss recording? What's up? YouTube?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Land, Twitter and Instagram, land, snapchat, grind and all that
other ship. This is TS Madison coming to you loudlive
and in color from the Outlaws podcast. Listen, let me
tell y'all something. It has been a day for me,
but I'm sitting here with one of my good, good judies.
I have watched this woman blossom. I've watched her speak
(01:17):
life into people. I've watched her cook almost it almost
turnt me. She almost turnt me. I've watched her make untuna.
I've watched her make car hot dogs. I've watched her
I've watched this woman be unapologetically herself. And I've watched
God move move earth in heaven and bless her immensely.
(01:43):
I've watched her love on her husband. I watched her
retire her husband. I've watched this woman become a mogul
right in our face and then ask nobody, and it
was her business and she could do whatever she want
to do because it's her business. Ladies, gentlemen, I want
you to put y'all hands together. From my good girlfriend,
my sister, from another mister, Missith, I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I tell you this all the time, like every time
we talk, I tell you I love it. Don't hesitate,
thank you, and I love you back. And you do
every time I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Text you? You do? You do? Like girl, what you're doing.
I see what you're doing. What you're doing, what you do?
Bring you down? What do you do together? Shut up?
Shut up, shut up. I got friends everywhere telling me
to sit out somewhere with all that noise. It's all right.
Lord still working on Lord. Yeah, he gonna work with
(02:38):
me to the end.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And speaking of the Lord working on you, because I
know we got to get into all this crazy shit
on the car because but we're friends, yes, and so
I'm gonna do this, cards friend, the way you pray
for Wendy Williams, My god, oh my lord, you prayed
for Yeah, I learned something from that. Yeah, I learned
something from that. Tab I didn't apply it. I'm not
(03:03):
gonna tell you I applied it, but I learned to learn.
What did you learn that you didn't? I learned because
my mama tell me to do this all the time.
My mama says, speak well of those that speak something
against you. Now, I'm not saying the woman spoke against you,
but the woman said, had you had your name all
over the place with stuff and talking about your marriage
and your husband or whatever, because.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's your hoosb. He held you down.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You turned around, and you you help him down when
it got to a place where he was able to
do that, and that's your business, is Yeah, Unfortunately that
may not have been the case for her. You just
speak ill of her. Not you pray for my God,
did God do a mighty move? He did, and you
praying for it. Now that while we seeing him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I'm still I'm still praying. I've been praying for it since.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That day and now we see him more over, well,
we pray that she stays.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, you know what, everybody punt your ends right here
the mad it because this is where the brend needs.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Come in the room, Jesus baby. That was one of
them things. We talked about that on social media forever.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Y'all did, and I ain't never talked about everybody did,
but we did.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Y'all was y'all was cutting up them. People started calling
me a witch.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
They did.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
They said that by my mama too, But my mama.
My mama said, hey, listen, touching.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But the book say touch not and do my profits
no harm. The books say that.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, we didn't say the book said that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So well, when we saw it, I was like, and
then there, I don't see so much jealousy surrounded with
you and your husband. I don't see so much negativity.
And I love how you pay that ship. No attention
you paid. Ain't your business. They got to do with
you nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Gotta let him let him talk, Let him have it, honey,
let him.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But also, you're welcome, because I mean, then what would they.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I gave you something to talk about, hot topics, whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're welcome, sister. You you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm gonna start so many different places they'll find somewhere
to put I want to talk about because he and
I talk about this incessantly.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You retired your husband. I did.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I retired him from law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Because you was like, my husband not gonna be out there, So.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What when he can go and live his dream and
work with kids and do basketball, which is what he does.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why would he?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know why she retired to husband. Y'all she're rich,
he is that far. She rich And she said, I'm rich,
and that means my family rich. And I'm not finna
have my husband out there riching his life, about to
(06:10):
lose his life and can't come home to me.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's just din't makes sense. Yeah, he ain't got to
do that.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And a lot of you host, a lot of you people,
it's the dream. It's whatever in the cup. It's gotta
cutting up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
A lot of you people will never never get understand
that because you don't got the valuable man.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
We are the valuable relationship or a value relationship. Yeah,
or people don't understand partnership, Tell me about it, like
we are real partners. Like my husband was never just
my provider, right, just like I'm not his provider.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We are partners. That means we are in this together.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
When I didn't have, he didn't have when he had,
I had like, this is how we are, and this
is everything we do.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
We do it together.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So it only makes sense if I am strong in
one place, I want to bring my husband up to
be strong with me. It don't make sense for me
to send him out into danger while I'm over here
in a safety zone if it's if it's not needed, right, So,
real partnership is like, oh, take care of you, just
(07:17):
like you would take care of me.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
All these years, I fifteen years in la odd jobs.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I worked at Macy's, I worked at court call, I
worked at a nursing home.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I worked in contract manufacturing.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I drove uber. I did all these.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
You know, odd jobs while pursuing my acting career, doing
auditions for free, doing you know, plays and movies, getting
paid two hundred dollars, fifty dollars, coming home talking about baby,
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
This is gonna be the one, This is gonna be
the one, and make fifty dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And he'd be like, okay, bae, And he would go
to work every day every day. We never ever been evicted.
Mortgage or rent was always paid. I likes ain't never
been cut off. I pay utilities and stuff back in
you know in the day, and I I put money
to the side and put stuff on it. Okay, he
didn't know how I had the system going, but I
would do it. But he made sure all the major
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bills were taken care of and we were we were
taking care of right. And so how dare I get
to a certain place and not reward our partnership with safety,
with love, with honor for what he has done for me,
Like with my whole heart.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I honored that man. I love my husband.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, yeah, I know, yeah, And watching y'all, sometimes
it gets people to this place because they don't understand
it because they haven't they don't have a partnership like that. Yeah,
they don't understand a partnership like that. They don't understand
a woman saying the things that you said, because sometimes
a man haven't been that good to them. And it's
(08:52):
not about because I don't want to say something bad
like where they chose the wrong men. Because I do
believe that all men come some all people, all people,
all of us have something. All people's cumb with something. Yeah,
and it's whether you're gonna right riding some some people
are worse than others.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
This is true, and.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Some some of those folks out there have picked peoples
that's worse less they are.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, but I.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Admire your marriage. I admire the way that you love
on your husband. I admire the way he holds you down.
Admire the way that y'all get on there and y'all
do tabbing.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Chance.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know, it's just you you are. You are a
ray of positivity. Where do you originate from?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Where am I from? North Carolina?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
So that in North Carolina, me and my husband were
born and raised out in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
If you knew where it was, me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And you would have already known each other a long
time ago. That's how small it is.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Eating eden the garden. Come on, you better know it
was there any figs there? Listen, you want to know something,
Tell you know how deep I know? I know that word.
Oh I know. Your mama made sure.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes she did, Yes she did, Yes she did. And
my my mother loves you. So we me and my
mama didn't know we was watching you at the same time.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh really, we didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Know it because my mama, my mama, he always be
following out because my mama got know how to be
on social media. Okay, he said that stuff. Trump me out.
How Miss Mary know how to post on social media?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
She be posting the elders is grown. Okay, they know
they didn't figure it out. They figured out how to
do some.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Things she posted and she'd be following, she be liking.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You'll be seeing her liking something, and she like, I
love I love, I love her and tall.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
She did insteal that in me.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Now, what I like about you is that you not
one of those people who, oh, I'm saying christ I don't,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Girl. I'm like, well, well, where y'all Christian people come
at that, that act like that?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You do know the Lord sat with the sellers listen.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I think we have all been so programmed. And when
your programmed, you don't get a full relationship on your own,
like I know the Lord personally, right and so, And
my mama was a pastor right before she passed, like
in her later years of life, she was a pastor.
So the things that she always taught me was like,
(11:35):
who are we to judge? Who are we to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Act like we are? God?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I am not, But what I know I'm supposed to
do is love, period point blank.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And that's all you give that's it's like all I
remember we came to see you when you had the
shop over.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There, Yeah, with the restaurant what it was called. Yeah,
I pulled you had treated me like, yes, we have
a good time.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You ate mushrooms.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I did five much room. Thought they was gizz us,
but they won't. There was mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now that niggas eyes got big oder he liked gills
were from Florida. Oh see he liked gills. Yeah, so
we we we. I was dating somebody at the time
that was trash. I hope you ain't watching this because
that's how it felt.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But blessed. It's hard, bless.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And I remember we I was trying to get myself
back together with dad. Was terrible, terrible then and then
then we saw you in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, and we had dinner down.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
We had dinner. I set up with your friend. We key,
we cut up. Tell we key, we key girl. It's
just like all the times we ever get together. We key,
you know. And that's what I love that your spirit
is so genuine and and it's so real that that
when I see negative ship about you on the internet,
(13:00):
I'll be want to scrap. I know you don't but
I'll get an.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Got to let it go.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Gotta let it go, because you know, the most of
the time you see those things, it's some strangers anyway,
the people that don't know me. So I'm like, well,
why I'm I be mad about something that from somebody
who don't know me.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I may need to adopt that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But I want to circle back tab since I didn't
do this at the top of the show. Okay, there's
a the section of my show. It's called talk your shit.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This means I want you to tell people who you are,
what you do, what you're proud of.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
This is your time to shine and not hold back.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So basically, in a nutshell see this was you know
my producers back there, Honey, they right stuff in a
clean way. I want you to tell the people how
I'm Tamitha Brown. I did this. I built that. I
don't want no humidity in this. Oh okay, I want
you to tell the people you did this.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'm worth this.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I partnered that because don't be ashamed of what God
bless you with. Oh I'm not ashamed, and not just ashamed.
I think that you're not bragging when you speaking facts
about yourself. What youah and who you are, and I
think that we've been conditioned so hard.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
To uh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And we get lost in that and people thank you
bragging when you say I retire my husband. Oh girl,
you no tell us?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Well I did. I told you you want me to
do the whole rundown?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh yeah, okay to Kim. Yeah, hello there. I am
Tapatha Brown. I'm from Eden, North Carolina. I'm an actress.
I am a New York Times bestselling author four times.
I am an Emmy Award winning host. I am an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I own multiple businesses.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Donna's Recipes, my hair, Caroline Fridays with Tabing Chances, my
podcast tab in Chance. It's a fragrance company. Do you
believe Enterprises is my production company?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What else? Honey? Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I have four na A CP Image Awards. Thank you Nick,
my brother over there. I think the most important thing
is I am a wife. I am a mother, I
am a daughter. I'm a lover of all people. Uh
and a. I'm vegan and I love the animals. Okay, Oh,
(16:08):
I love black and honey, I got a fur baby.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I've done multiple partnerships that I probably can't even count
them all. And I've been a lot of things that
I've done that people know. I've done it all in
the last seven years. I've been pursuing entertainment for over
twenty five years. But my biggest accomplishments that we have
all witnessed, like you said firsthand and you watched it,
(16:36):
literally all happened in the last five years.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I remember we were on pause Drag Race and one
of the girls, yes, Olivia, Olivia, Yeah, she played you
on the Snatch Cat.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I wanted to write you so bad and be like,
you're on Twitter, let me know.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I was in Chicago and I was like getting all
these messages and I was like, what I said, ain't
no way, Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I was honest. I was like, she could have win
in even Motive, but.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Because I told her that, I was, but I was
so flat I had we had to take that and
it came out a year later.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Okay, so I knew it already knew.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I knew that whole year, and I was like, I
can't say nothing, but I was like, I just one day,
I just randomly sent you herd yes. But it was
because of that, because I knew what was coming and
and Ruth said, well, who's Tamith Brown?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And I said, girl, I know her, Yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And I was I was telling Olivia, like, girl, next
time you talking about Tabs, the spooner's name.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
The dog's lacky.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's just like, there were things that I wanted you
to expound on, because tab is a is a over
the top sweet personality. That she's an aunt, she's a mama.
You know what I'm saying. She's teaching us how to
eat healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know I did. That's how like a
lot of people found me. It was from cooking, being
in my kitchen on Facebook every day, on Facebook Live
and Color. It was you and that damn she she
know it used to be in the pot.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Baby. Listen. The first thing I ever saw you made
was untuned. Baby.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Wanted alright, did you ever eat something mama, mama make.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Then made that? Yeah, listen, gonna put tune in that.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's untuned chick pee tuna talent.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It was good. It's good, it was good. It is
nonin't eat nothing. She ain't make it for you made
it for me. That's all right.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Next time, yeah, tell So when the Ruth Paul stuff going,
I was like roue, that's that's the bro. She Then
you had got a show on Food Network.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, and we reached that Rember.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We've been talking about it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, you gotta show Food Network because with World of
Woman and you know what I love and a door yeah,
World of One that creates Paul's drag race. You know,
they created my TV Shoulder Tis Mass Experience, all the
other projects and stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That we worked on whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And I knew your show was coming, yeah, because they
had told me. And I was like, oh, wit, y'all
doing my tab you know, yeah, I want to know
what happened with the Food Network because it wasn't because
I was at World of One of the fussing like,
well what happened to my sister's thing or whatever? I
remember you telling me a little bit, but tell tell
us what happened for us, you know, being fans of it,
(19:26):
Like what happened with that?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It was not alignment, right, Like I had a vision
and I had gave you know, my vision and what
I wanted and a lot of things changed without me knowing,
and I don't I don't play like that.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right, So.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It was it was very hurtful honestly because I have
worked really hard on being true and authentic, right because
I covered my truth for so long and now that
I'm finally free, I was like, oh you now it
make it. It was almost like you were making me
feel like my my freedom and who I am and
(20:09):
my choices I make isn't good enough. You want it
to You want to change it to something else, and
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I couldn't agree with it.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I understand and I know that it comes from the
trope of the network because the networks, we want a
certain aesthetic, aesthetic, and they expect us as people.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Of color, to be a certain way. Yeah, I ain't
gonna do it. No, no, and it won't meant it won't.
It just won't meant to be.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I had the first be I was you know, it
was the first Begon show period but Begon competition cooking
show ever on the network.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I know, and I knew some some flaky shit was
going on when your time slots started moving. I was like, see,
I watched TV. Yeah, and I'm also a producer of stuff,
so I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Like, Okay, something going on. Yeah, But I was very
folk about that. I was not the one.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, you pray for everybody.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But God bless you, God bless you. Yeah, because you
got to give people grace. This is the thing that
I have learned. Even today, I'm still doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I do.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I practice this every day. You must give ignorance grace
because if not, then you get mad. And there is
some time for anger. But you still got to find
your way back to grace because if not, you're gonna
wear yourself out.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But when you say give ignorance grace, tab, what does
that look.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like like what I have shown right, praying for foe,
paying it no mind, saying what needs to be said,
and moving on and going on by my business.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I give your ignorance grace. And because see, bless your
heart because you don't know no better. And if you
do know better, then that's on you. That still means
you're ignorant, and I have to give you grace for that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I tall you sweet as but I know your woolf's
some mads. If you need to listen, you from eating.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It ain't many things that rough for me unless you
mess with my family or you mess with my money,
because I take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
With that money, right.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, And other than that, baby, I'd be like, God
bless you, honey.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
But I can get with you though, Oh I know
if necessary.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's the South.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Listen, one thing about a debt, one thing about a
beautiful smell. It holds a deadly pocket book, and that
pocket book could be heavy. I'm from the South, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
But you know, grace is even more powerful because people
don't see it coming sometimes, you know, grace cuts you
so deep you don't know you bleeding to you at home.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Now, you ain't got but one house left.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Baby, you and you didn'et got it to the house
and when you get out the car, you limping.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You the lord this around and got cut and didn't know.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well you knew because you came in there and you
was acting crazy and you got cut up.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, but you didn't realize it because see you rack,
and I was here.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Cutting you up with the grace.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It works, it, dude, It's sufficient.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I be I want to take a page from your
book to do this, but you know I'd be tearing
it up.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I know you, noney. You don't have to let.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Me tell you why, because sometimes you hear me out
the blue says I'm checking in on y'all said, Oh, ship.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
She don't watch and stuff. I'm telling some people up
Nigga be checking in too.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
He's like, yeah, we got to get get her, get
her together and there, okay, come bring bring it down.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
We got to reach over the ground she over snap
her back in. Yeah, she over there. The hurricane she's gone.
Let bring them back back.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah. We told her the bucket of Winter's daffle, that choice,
hurricane lose. Listen, And sometimes when you all see me
in the calling down, my sister's doesn't reach out, you'll
reach out to me, my nikkery, my mama will already
be over there.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Lord in the pleasing the name of Jesus. I'm like,
move by, Mama, Move blessed, blessed miss Mary out.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But let me tell you some one of my favorite
things is when that typing Me and Choice do that
to this.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Day, baby me and say typing baby, but your.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Mama was back there, hold a scripture, mama, baby, you
better keep it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
In the comment.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You better keep it typing baby, and me and Choice
will do it. Anytime somebody will be like, you better
be typing. You better be typing, because that's really all
to put you know, That's that's what social media is
in the Internet. They ain't doing nothing typing they do,
but y'all keep it in the common.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Keep it down now, because if you get anywhere near me, baby,
why this hurricane going, baby's coming off.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I guarantee you you're gonna have no motherfucker roof. I
mean that ain't no roof for nothing.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, So, tam, I want to I don't want
you to go too deep what you men. I want
to talk to you about this situation with Target. I
want you to talk to me from a place of
what you can talk to me about what happened with
you and that we know what happened with them, right,
that's what happened, But what happened with you and them?
(25:03):
Like how did that sever Like did you did y'all?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
How did it? Did you know? I mean, I'm still
in Target, Like I'm on a contract.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I told people that from like in January when I
found out at the same time you found out. We
all found out together, right, and I'm still so like
hurt by Yeah you know, but I am under contract,
like I have explained this so many times. Although there's
people that we give their ignorance grace. So there's two
(25:33):
ways that I'm well three really, but two ways that
I'm with Target, right partnership. I'm a Target partner, which
means I have a licensing deal, which means I created
all those products, from the clothing, the furniture, the food,
the kitchen supplies, all the things. I created and designed
(25:53):
those specifically for Target. I don't own those. That's a
licensing deal, right, That's not like a passion for me
to be like, oh, I want to create this for myself. No,
but Donnad's recipe. My hair care line that I own
is in Target as a company that is on chef Space, right.
So that's two different ways that we're in business. And
(26:15):
I'm still under contract for my partnership for my license
and deals over the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So do you sell your stuff now more on your website?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I mean we've always had the website.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That was the other thing. You know. There's people.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
They were like, she should just put u stuff up.
I have a website. I'm like, I've had a website
for eight years. We all have a website. Every business
in there has a website that we sell direct to consumer.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Drop Ship one of the people's that I told it
was on the shelf.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It well, blessed, it don't matter, I know, but I
think it's just people assume that you're dumb, and I'm like,
you think we got this far all the other black
owned businesses that are in Target without having a website already.
You don't go into a retail space without a website, right,
(27:16):
You go in there for more visibility. This is how
you scale your business, right, this is how you get wealthy.
Try to create generational wealth by going into retail and
hoping that they extend it and go into more doors
and you know, more locations. But you always like, for me,
anytime I start a business, I'm gonna sell on my
(27:38):
website strictly exclusively only for that first year, so that
I can get all my data, I can get my
own email list, I can look at the numbers and
see how my customer's spend.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, there's a science to this.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You don't just create a product and just go straight
into the store without not if it's your own right,
without doing your own your own cring, your own database.
But we all have website, and we all have our
own fulfilled men and we ship and do all the things.
But there's nothing like retail chef space that that that
(28:11):
visibility is. It's a different level, it's a different beast
it is. I know that for sure, because Yeah, even though.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm gone from that life, I was one of the
first black girls that had DVDs in the retail. I
had the South lockdown with the dv and I was
creating DVDs, packaging it up and selling it to the stores.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh wow, where I was my own. I took the
middleman out of the way. Yeah, you was your own distributory.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Listen, girls, we talking about me, but I've been a
girl that was getting my going from a long time.
I moved that middleman out of the way, and I
told him listen, buy from me, mm hmm, directly directly
by from me.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I will supply you with what you need.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know what I'm saying, You don't need to talk
to because the distribution comes. Oh we're gonna take this
percent and we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Do that's taking the weight off of you. But yeah, yeah,
give me the way.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, weigh me down, yep, because the way they were
trying to do it, they was making me I was
gonna get less profit, you know, And I was like, no,
I could do all this. Yeah, I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I could do this. I could. I could package it
up and I can. I can physically ship it there
or drive it over there, whatever I had to.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had to soph a lot Bay. Listen, they couldn't
keep my DVDs on the show.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
This is why I was such a I was in
a households way before I was in the household. They
couldn't keep my DVDs in the ship like they used to.
I used to have posters all in the wall or whatever,
and they would come in the store and people were
still they were still my stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But listen, that's I mean, you have that experience of
knowing how retail shelves work.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It made me popular bigger. That's why I can't escape
this that I can't escape it now. And that's why
I never heard what I've done. Yeah, because I know
I got so big in it by being underground. People
think underground is like, oh girl, you know nah. Usually
the biggest stars, the biggest brands, the biggest start underground,
(30:22):
and when people be coming in, they always on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, oh girl, I can pray such and such here
and get it da da da da. So I get so,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's something you said that you can't escape it. There's
nothing to escape. It's part of your story.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But Tam, you know, sometime they try to use that
stuff against me, like especially when I'm occupying spaces like.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
This, right, but sometimes who who is the.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I receive it, Oh okay, it's part of your story,
like this is why it's important. And look at you,
look at us sitting here having this good conversation on
our heart. It's part of your story, it is.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And I just there are times that I'm just like,
not girl, when they get the putting me on the
blocks and stuff like that for stupid stuff. I'm like,
oh yeah, all he you know, all he do is
pooring anyway, I'm like, girl, girl, there's no way that
you said that you you can go to your home
right now. I say, hey, Siri, Hey Google, Hey Alexa,
(31:22):
Hey who is tears? Mass ain't nothing? But it ain't
no point on its coming up. It's all this and
TV shows and it's the other because I worked hard
and here you are, yes, but it's just them will
pull that out of the ass crack and be like.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
To try to keep me in that bubble.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well, because they're in the bubble, right, So misery loves company, honey,
So they want to bring you there. That's why you
can't give it attention because the moment you do, guess what,
Now you're in the bubble.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm in the bubble tall, I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
The bubble ain't even no fun. You can't even.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Breathe in the I like to fight. Oh no, I
want you to pray good for the.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Fight in contracts and fight for for more money, more
space for bigger buildings. But don't fight history. Don't fight
your past, and don't fight ignorance. I'm receiving it, Nick,
you hear me, Nick, I'm receiving it, and I'm trying
(32:25):
shut up.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hold else She's gonna be all right. Oh hell, you
know you see it in the future.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You see it in the chair, child, But I still
test a man something Now you see the president I
call and something go down.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, and I'm coming like you still gott yeah
you you know you know it's on the way, on
the way, yes, Because I remember that child. I was
over there telling they was they were talking that mess
about you, and I got on that was like honey,
on the chef.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Again. It's on the shelf. Bless them, yep, all the people. Yeah, yeah,
I want to know what is in the future for
you that you feel this in the future for you
(33:24):
that I feel.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Oh, I know that I would eventually do a talk show,
But what is in the real like future that I
can see and taste. I'm going to do a lot
of like scripted television series.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So you still want to be a super actress.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh, I love performing, but also I want to give
my friends jobs and opportunities, right, Like, I got so
many friends that are actors who are phenomenal that they
also just need an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
But I have some amazing stories. A God has like
put me in this.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
This journey of life has given me so many experiences,
and I have supernatural shows.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
To make and my one am in that. Honey, I
believe you might be on in there. Look, how y'all.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We can find we can find the role. Oh, I
can get the caroll your knee. I can be a preacher. Okay,
I can be a teacher. Come on, I can be
an educator. Okay, mm hmm, yeah, tell, I want to
talk a little bit about Donald's recipe. Okay, I watched
(34:38):
the podcast where you where you talked about you sat
down with your friend and y'all made two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I talked about that where it was a part. I
watched it. I did, I made two million dollars win.
It was two million dollars. You said, y'all made that
in a year. Oh wait a minute. Week. We hide
from We're not hide from the turn revenue service.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh no, I definitely hide from the honey Babe, they
get the before I get mine.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I had before, but I used it on. It was
an you put another.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Off and maybe we were talking about and not Donad's recipe.
I might've been talking about T shirts. Maybe, Yeah, that's
what you're talking about. Yeah, and then you went it
to Donna's recipe though, Yeah about you? You and your girlfriend?
Uh huh, sitting y'all made a hair Caroline.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, Donald's recipe. So you know I named my hair Donna.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Back in twenty eighteen, I had did a big chopping
twenty seventeen, cut all my hair off and letting it
grow back, and I sed to Coop Live and honey,
she was growing straight at the top and I was
had a little bit of afro, and I was like,
why is it hair setting up straight?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Looking like Don King. So that's why I started calling
her Donna.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And so I have thenosis in the tip of my
spine from a car accident, so every now and then
I would go have these like episodes. So I had
to lay flat on my back to sleep for like
weeks at a time. So my hair started to thin
in the back. So I was trying to create you know, well,
first I was looking for something to help grow my
hair back and make it thicker again in the back.
(36:00):
But I was new to being vegan, and after being
sick for so long, I was scared to just put
anything in my head. So I was like, I need
to try to make my own oil to grow my
hair back. So I was doing that and I was like, oh,
wait a minute, if I'm having this issue, somebody else
might be having this issue. So I was like, oh,
I want to create like a hair oil, like a
you know, some products for people to help grow their hairback.
(36:23):
So I started trying to you know, create it and
develop it myself. And then I got a call from Gina.
She was one of the moms my husband, you know,
coaches basketball, so her son played for the team and
so that's how we knew each other. So she was like,
I got an idea, I want to run by you.
So me and her med and it was Donald's recipe.
It was the exact same idea. She had no idea
that I was trying to create an oil and she
(36:44):
was like, do this hair care line with oil to
have like grow your hair.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
And I was like, girl, I've been trying to do
this for.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Like eight months and my prayer literally was like two
weeks before God, please send me someone who can help me.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And she was like, I got all the time to
do this, like this is what I do.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And me, I was this is like twenty twenty so
I was taking off, going crazy, like I had no
time to develop and do this, and she was like,
you do your part and I'll do this. And so
that's how we created Donnad's Recipe, and like we launched
January first of twenty twenty one, and this is still
height of the pandemic, right, We created everything during the
(37:20):
height of the pandemic, so it was crazy, but we
did it. And then when we launched, I mean we
definitely had seven figures like in our first six weeks
in sales.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Social media is something, baby, It's a blessing. All you
got to do is get a few people to love you.
Everybody ain't got to love you. Get you a few
people that love you, and then your minister too. They'll
stay with you forever.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
They're very lawyer.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
They'll stay with you forever through in the thing that
you create. Yeah, I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I have the best.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I call them my family. Like people were like, oh,
you'll follow it, I'm like, no, no, because maybe they
show up the tab.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I want to talk a little bit and then I
know we got wrap up. I want to talk a
little bit about the tea. I want to go back
to the two million dollars because I had them on.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't even know, but I know you is it
with Scott? Is every something about the interview I did?
But it was it was a guy you, a guy
guy talking about just how quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, it was T shirt. It was T shirt.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
So I made I started selling T shirts back in
twenty eighteen, and in the beginning I didn't realize that
was like a business, right, you know, I started my
own business back in twenty sixteen, right, I used to
sell waistcapes on Etsy.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And waistcape in the kitchen. It's like a cape that
you put around, like to make your outfit pop.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
So I make them in all different colors, very long
or short, so like you could take this dress if
you want to go here the red carpet, where you
needed something longer, you could get one that was like
hot pink and with TUXI to stripes down and then
you could just tide around your waist and then it
looked like it was part of your dress. It's just
like a waistcape somebody just came up with. But I
was doing it because I was on disability and I
(38:57):
needed some money under the table that would mess up
with this ability shit.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, oh okay, so that's why I was doing it.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
So anyway, but I didn't make a lot of money.
I used to make maybe like seven hundred dollars a
money or something. So then twenty eighteen, when I started
taking off on social media, people were telling me to
like put your quotes on a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
And I was like, ain't nobody buying no T shirts?
And they were like, we really want them.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So I went downtown LA got the T shirts myself,
got them printed, did all the things, came back, loaded
them on my little etzy site. But I only had
maybe like one hundred of two hundred T shirts, not
a bunch because I had to pay for myself.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I loaded them, went to the grocery store, came back.
I was going for twenty six minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I came back to check it, and I was like, Lord,
I must have did something wrong because I couldn't see
they weren't on the site no more. It didn't dawn
on me that they had sold out that fast, and
I was like, what in the world. So I looked
and they had sold out. But what I realized in
that moment when I clicked on you know how you
can look at your dad or your analytics and all
the things, it showed me how many people tried to buy,
(40:00):
and it was over three thousand people. So that was
over three thousand orders that I missed. And so right
in that moment, I said, oh, this business. I just
missed out on some money. So I said, okay, let
me do it again, but this time I'll use their money.
So I'm gonna do pre orders. And so I started
doing pre orders so I can get all the money
up front. Then I would go and put my orders
in and started selling, you know, the T shirts. So
(40:22):
I was making a good like six figures in twenty eighteen,
you know, twenty nineteen and selling T shirts. It was
a very amazing business. But twenty twenty happened. I got
on TikTok when the pandemic happened. So now because at
this time in March of twenty twenty, I had five
hundred thousand followers on Facebook and about two or three
(40:44):
hundred thousand on Instagram, and so my daughter was like, Mom,
you need to get on TikTok. And I was like, girl,
they dancing over there, like what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
She was like no, no, no, it's a different algorithm,
you know.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So when I got on there, that those first thirty days,
I had a million followers, and then the next week
I had another million.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It just kept growing.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
So I was like, oh, I need to reintroduce my
T shirts to these new people that don't know me
like that, so they're getting to know me. So I
launched the T shirts again, like all my you know,
payment sayings because it's your business.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Have a good day became you know, don't go messing
up nobody else's.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
And when I launched those, it literally in the first hour,
I made like forty thousand dollars and I was like,
wait a minute, Jesus, twenty four hours. I had made
like one hundred and fifty thousand in twenty four hours,
and it just kept on going and I was like, oh,
this is a business. So that's how I literally started
(41:37):
making a lot of money by owning my own T
shirt company, sell Me, And that was, you know, from
twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So I have a similar story a little bit on
my well when I first popped out. But does this
hype still stay?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Do the hype still stay or do you or you
got to be or does it? Does it or does
it come in waves?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Well? It it's so business, right, so you gotta you
have to feed them what they may want. You know,
you can't keep selling the exact same thing, but you
have the same people, so you always, you know, reinvent
the wheel, like give them something new, test out their appetite.
So when you doing content, you read your comments, you
see what they like, what they say they need. Right,
(42:27):
That's why I did a partnership with McCormick because people
was like, yeah, we want your season You don't be
cooking with no salt, give us a salt free seasoning.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I was like, why, I don't mind if I do.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Okay, So when I partnered with McCormick, I was like,
I only do this with y'allf y'all can help me
create a salt free seasoning.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And that was supposed to be a one time thing.
And then so did you call McCormick or McCormick.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
No, they called me because I had did a just
a one one off video partnership where they asked me
to use their seasonings on one of my live cooking
shows and I said, okay.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It was a beautiful bag. I said, okay, very good,
I shall do it.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Okay, one hour of cooking, let's get let's dokay, And
I made some garlic pasta and the the video, you know, live,
was so huge that they called them like what else
would you like to do? I was like, well, funny
you asked I would like to create some seasonings that
are salt free.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
And that's how that partnership happened.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
But I was only supposed to do one It was
just like a you know, multi purpose salt free sunshine,
and it was like a you know, because everybody was
stuck at home. So I was like, oh, let's put
vacation in the bottle to give people a feeling like, oh,
there's somewhere tropical ride while they're cooking. And it sold
out in what forty eight minutes or something like that.
(43:42):
I know it did, but you had sent me some, indeed, Yeah,
and when I had the other ones, I sent you. Yeah,
you sent some, so I got them, but they were
sold out, but you sent me some, yeah, And I
was like, my mom was in there, yes, and you
us as much as you want to do, hue, because
ain't no salt, and you know, I was looking out
for us.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So but yeah, I think the hype will stay as.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Long as you don't believe the hype, right, So you
got to just be like, Okay, this is what they
happen about right now.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Okay, then you give them other things.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You just got to make sure you know your people
and you also create products that they have to come
back for.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Because I'm always saying something that's going stupid always and
without even trying, I'd be like growl and next thing,
I'm like, oh no now, and then I see another
bitch over.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
There with it.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I'm like, no, listen, you could have the way that
you be saying, stuff the T shirts, all the things,
the businesses that you could have, But tell it for me.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I'm gonna say this. I probably need to get with you. Well,
you can help me with this.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
As long as I've been doing this, I know how
it works. But it's just like having the product shipping
it out.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's that for me. Yeah, it is a lot, but
you can't do that anymore. Right.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
You can't do what you used to do with taking
DVDs at the door. This is why you have to
have a distributor, right, I can't do it no more.
When I first started doing T shirts, I was packing
on myself. I was handwriting thank you cards, hundreds thousands
of them. Then I said, waiting the girl, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I can't do this.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I'd have my friends over there, my daughter, like everybody.
They were all packing and doing the things. Even when
we launched on this recipe, we first launched, we was
all nick we were all in my floor packing them
boxes up.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I got the first wave of donnay. We we did
the work.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Gina was at her house with her family and her
kids and her husband packing boxes. Then they would come
to my house, pick up a load, drop it off
at the you know the ups, repeat, do it again.
And then we was like, I said, girl, this was
doing the holiday break. I said, we I'm about to
go back to work in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I can't we can do this. So we had to,
you know, find a distributor to do.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
That for us. So you got do you have all
this stuff now? Yeah? Okay, then I need to we
need to really sit down and go over some business
stuff we need to get. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, I can absolutely bus you know, yeah, whenever you
want you to take a couple of dollars shit, because
I don't want you to do it for free.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
But listen, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you what
to do and where to go and get it.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Done because I don't I just don't want to be responsible.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
But that's the thing, you just all you really need
is somebody that you can be like say your project
coordinator for your project manager, who will make sure that
they keep all that stuff together for you, but also
show you everything so you know what's going on. So
That's that's the other thing, right, I like to know
what's still going on. I know I got bit eleven businesses,
(46:34):
but I still need to see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
So all your project manageress check in with you. But
you got to yeah, yeah, yeah, because I get to
get to a space. You see me on the email.
Everybody don't need to know I'm on there, but I need.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
To be in there. I want to see Oh so
they b CCU. Yeah, sometime they'll see see me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
If you know, if we need to move the needle
on something and they're getting a little you know, delayed responses,
then I'll belave, We'll see me so that they know
I'm on there and I chime in sometimes. But yeah,
I mean it's still your business, right, So you need
to be able to be in the note.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, I mean I am that way when it comes
down to all my booket and all my other money,
like my hardcore money. But like that money that you're
talking about, that's just tangible. That's just what you call
it money sitting over there. Hey, Gray, listen, it's god
tiptorn at my heels. You know, that's a little that's
a little money over there. But I'm talking about my
other money, like my working money. My just been showing
(47:28):
up in it, you know. But I could be making
you know, because I have made it before. Absolutely, but
I was in it like packaging it.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And you know you ain't gonta do that.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I mean, even if you wanted to do T shirts right,
just just for an example, I'm been giving them a
plug that I shouldn't even give.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
But there's a company and as many of them. One
of them is called print forle right.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Exactly. You just go online. That's how I did my
first two years.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
After I couldn't do it no more going downtown, I
was like to be an easier way. They have a
location in north Ridge, also in the valley here. I
went in there, felt the quality of the shirts and stuff,
went online, designed my own, just typed up words, honey,
and then I would use what is it a fiber
and get me a little designer for back five dollars
(48:18):
ten dollars sending my words and things I wanted on
the shirt.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
They would send it to me.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I would upload it, put all the different colors, sizes
and everything. You're gonna cut the money, it's gonna go down,
but you ain't got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
So but that is an option. Yeah, I mean that's
what I'm saying, Like I've I done, did all that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, but I'm saying then you ain't doing it though,
then you ain't packing up nothing.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's the fact that you got to get on there
and be like, hey, y'all get the T shirt. Hey,
y'all's put it on your website or wear it or
give it to somebody to wear. Have you know how
many people there's a there's always.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I done did all this stuff. I think that I
got burnt out.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And if and if you are, then that's okay too.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Then don't do it. No, I'm gonna do it because
I need it. No, I want you to know I'm
gonna do it. Yeah, but maybe you gotta take your time.
I want you to understand.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
You say you were forty dollars thirty min hey, hey,
but I'm just saying it's out there so many ways.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Because all my videos be viral, Like it's just sometimes
they be so viral.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'll be like, lord, but then know suspay you at times. Yeah,
and then at time somebody else supposed to shit it.
I'd be like, I got a million, two million views
on it, and that somebody else don't posted it.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
But that's when you click that little thing so that
they have to pay you because they're sharing your content.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
What little thing, you know?
Speaker 4 (49:45):
The little doctor was like somebody has reported that you
were that this content belongs to someone else.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
That's a new thing that they have. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, because you know how like if you got music
playing right, it'll it'll pop up and say you're sharing
revenue with uh someone who owns a copyright here. Yeah,
they're finna cut all that foolishness out. Oh you girl,
you're gonna have to do your own work. You have
to do your own work now.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You ain't gonna just be able to post other people's
stuff and make money off of them.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Oh you girls that got my stuff out there, they
got million.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah you're welcome, because I could post it to get
fifty thousand and seventy five hours. Somebody else supposed to
then put some ketch and it's like it's okay, I'm
coming to get that. Yeah, it's your money.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh that's kind of money gonna be. It's gonna be
so bad.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Maybe the money gonna be so heavy, it's gonna be
falling over like that.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah. Yeah, we don't come to the end because I
got to talk to you off live tape. We don't
come to the end of the show. Tab and the
end of the show is it bannit Bitch? So it's
what it's called, ban it Bitch. Oh, so this is
(51:09):
my favorite segment of the show. Now, some people are
out here banning drag shows, LBGGQ, books and even our
very existence. But we're flipping the script. What's something you
would ban if you ran the world. Here's how it works.
We each get a minute to make our case for
what needs to go. Let me kick it off and
show you how it's done. Okay, my name is Ts Madison,
(51:35):
and I run this world, and I'm banning you hoes
that take my content and make hundreds of thousands and
millions of use off of my content. And y'all idea
of saying you ain't gave me a pity. I'm banning
you from being able to do that. I'm banning you
(51:57):
from being able to upload my stuff because I've my
stuff all around this world, not not all around the world,
and I've seen like.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Well, what account this come from? I'm looking at a
video right now on Twitter that's got two point five million.
Speaker 3 (52:11):
Views and it's not your and you didn't upload though,
but it's you.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yes, it's from this show.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I see stuff that have millions of views where people
on there having discussions about YouTube.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
You better click reports. Oh no, it ain't on YouTube yet.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Them girls on the others, you know and tiktoks because
you see, because I don't know how much because I'm
not really active on my TikTok like that.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah, and they've ben changed a lot of stuff
and people making money over there too on that creative
fun what. Yes, I'm not active on my TikTok, like
it might be time to wake it up.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Like because I may post a random something. Yeah, you know,
I know YouTube, my YouTube channel i'm active on and
uh Instagram, I'm not ready. Faith, I don't really because
I would pay. Well they can, yeah, but then they
they algorithm be told and then I got demonetized because
(53:10):
I cussed the bitch out and so you never get
into the root. Yes, here we at the route. Okay,
yes I did get the monetized. I'm being in her
cutting up.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
My name is Sabbatha Brown, and I'm being in ts
Madison from cutting up.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Go ahead so that she don't cut into her fund.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yes, it's I had got the amountetized, see and you
need your money.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
I do, but it was for me.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
But but if you haven't noticed, I've been in the
space of me out of took a break. Try to
let my try to come out of that jail, because
they'll have you in jail for thirty and sixty nine
a day.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
They'll have you in jail for a long period of time,
and they don't have me in jail for a while
you was locked up. Yes, it makes the money.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
But because I cussed the people out and I was like, God,
I gotta stop this now, y'all found them a business side. Okay,
I don't really talk about it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
But the posts, if they was wondering where you had
been over there.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well they know if they know, because they still let
me post. Oh they just won't.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
They just took my money, oh, because that's where they
can get your attention, because we don't care if the
videos get messed up, but the money get messed up.
They just took the money they had demonitor demonetized my
Instagram HM, and they demonetized my face because you know,
I was right.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
I was wearing them out, so I went, I had
to take that stuff off of there. Well, no, I
didn't have to. I left some of the ship up
because you don't punish me.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But you're gonna do better. You already are. And I
believe in you. You're gonna you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah yeah, shut up. I just I thank you, sister.
I need is that. I like that you want You
ain't even need a minute?
Speaker 4 (55:02):
You beat me cutting up, that's it, yeah, because I
want you to thrive and be well yeah, yeah, you're
paving the way.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
But I mean I've made good money and then and
then the way it comes to us, it's like I'm like, girl,
you serious, Like they hit me first and it's like
our girl.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
And they hit that bank account they did, and it's
be like girl, I'm like, all still.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
I can't make no money.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
And then you can't get your lick back. No, and
they take your money. You can't get your back no.
Now I could post about them.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
See you know what did Beyonce tell you?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
She did? That's revenge is your paper?
Speaker 2 (55:39):
He did?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
She said that what she said and that's your friend.
It is.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I feel like I know her person now because she
shouted you out of the concert. I was like, oh
because because yeah, I met her mama. But when she
did that, I said, that's my girl, that's my.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Girl, that's my girl. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
She is like you know, she always I love it.
You know, you know I said, I can't we can't
be you know, but this my girl. Yes, Tall, I
love you. I love you too, thrank God that you
came over here, sat out with me. We we love
you over there in that house.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
And listen, you know, well, if you ever called me,
I'm gonna make sure I don't in the middle of
the night. I'ma make sure.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it as a last resort
because I don't want you to get in no trouble
because you know now, listen, I pull up around now
and I put two cars gonna pull up with me
right right, just went all black and we're gonna watch. Listen,
but the word gonna get out, Get all my sister, bitch,
Get off of hub, Get off my sister.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Don't you don't you say another word about Please help me.
Don't you say ship at my sister.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
She's gonna help me lose weight and get my money back, honey,
and he's some biking food.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Y'all heard what she said?
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Now, Tall, I love you, Thank you so much, Nick,
Thank you for having me. Suster come over here. Love.
This has been Outlaws Podcast with Tis Madison and the
wonderful illustrious Tapatha b I love you God now, God,
dare Camra walk till my sister? What I did? How
(57:19):
you even got banned on the facebookiesus.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich and our producers are
(57:44):
Joey pat and Carmen bra Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just Crime. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower. Special thanks to our producer's assistant,
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wizi Eric.
Our show art is by Pablo Martinena. Catch you next week, honey, Yeah,
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