October 21, 2025 • 55 mins
This week on "Outlaws," TS Madison welcomes her longtime friend Tamar Braxton — Grammy-nominated singer, Emmy-nominated producer, and historic "Big Brother " champion — for a two-friends-chatting-at-the-kitchen-table kind of conversation that goes way deeper than the headlines.
Maddie gets Tamar to proudly run her résumé — five octaves, four Grammy nominations, and four #1 shows across four different networks. Then, they unpack: what Tamar learned from being a reality TV “villain," how Madison felt about “Queens Court," why Tamar returned to “The Braxtons,” and the passing of Tamar’s sister Traci. Also: tensions between Black women, grief counseling, the term "Liberal Christianity," celibacy, what sparked Tamar's connection to the LGBTQ+ community, whether or not she'd ever go on a dating show again, and more! And, finally, with an assist from our in-studio team Maddie figures out the proper term for an ally like Tamar, who’s not one of the girls but also IS one of the girls.
This is one of the most personal and wide-ranging "Outlaws" episodes yet — full of laughter, truth, and the kind of honesty that only happens when two icons are completely at ease.
Tune in to “The Braxtons” on We TV (for live broadcast) and/or stream it on Philo or ALLBLK – especially this Friday 10/24, as you may see some exclusive behind-the-scenes content of the making of today’s episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
Chasing it all.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He out live and it's color easy. This is Outlaws
with TS Medicine, Honey, is it on?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is this bitch recording? This is your girl t S
Medisine coming to you loud live in old ways. I'm
forever in color from the Outlaws podcast with Ts Madison
and Honey. I have been in all types of headlines.
I've been in all types of news. I get drug
from the back of to the front of my forehead. Honey,
about my next guest who happens to be a good
(01:04):
friend of mine, who's been a good friend of mine
for some years now. Ladies and gentlemen, The reality star,
the singer, the artist, the phenomenon that is Tamar Braxton.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hello, my love. I had no idea You're get in
trouble for me a lot. I don't understand that to me,
I just.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I just want to say, Tamar, you are one of
the biggest personalities. I think that your body does not
even hold it a mass, the personality that's inside of you.
I just don't think that you really understand that. I
think that you are an exceptional artist. I think that
your vocals are Chris. I remember sitting at your house
(01:52):
one night and you did.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I can't catch that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You got me feeling emotions. We may not, but you
say emotions by Mariah Carey. Yeah, and I was like, growl,
wait a minute, yeah, she's mitel. And this was after
us eating tacos tacos, a plethora of tacles.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You had got it out.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. I was like, I cook and I sing. Yes, amen, we.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fellowship that night whatever. But I watched you sing that,
and I said, this girl, not that I didn't know
that you couldn't sing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You didn't know I could sing like that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I was like, grawl, yeah, because you know I'm a
Whitney girl.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yes, yes, I mean listen, see that's what I'm saying
my opinion, and I love Whitney.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I grew up on Whitney.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
When she was alive.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I think she was one of the most funniest individuals
that I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But for me, I Mariah Carey has been my idol.
You know what I mean. I never said that I
don't enjoy Whitney's music. Of course I do.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
But if you who I'm going to give you but Riah,
because she's been my idol since I was about ten
years old.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You said enjoy.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Or you just you you?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You never was absorbed about Whitney's music.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Her face off. She had one of the most incredible
crisp tones. Sorious.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So and if one gotta go question came up.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
One is dead already she is, Yeah, so what are
we talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I mean, so, if one gotta Go and their catalog
is so for you, it's definitely Whitney.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's always been oh what about you? What about Kendrick
or Drake?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I was gonna say something that was going to
get me in trouble, and I just like saying, yes,
why not? I like dark skinned men, Okay, So it's
always the dark skinned man for me. I don't care
what situation is. Okay, I like dark skinned men. Okay,
I respect that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's that coloriss not your opinion. It's how you feel.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now since we're here about the opinion stuff. We were
just outside talking before we came in here. Me and
Homegirl Kya got together and we were doing the Queen's Court.
When we were together, you know, we brought we we
talked about you aout.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It was it was just it was. It was the
greatest show.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It was a shady show.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Was amazing and it was it was no ill intentions. No,
it was just a shade. It was. It was now.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
There are times that we did go for I was like, oh, ship,
because my mama would be like, boom, why you why
you said that muffler?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Ship? I will never ever forget it. Girl.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh my god, oh my god, oh my.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
God, baby, y'all was pure comedy. It was magic. It
was magic. Why you while you stuning?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Because I remember that joke?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Baby, I remember a bunch of jokes. Okay the jokes.
Y'all was a queen of the jokes. Yeah, I put
that one together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You did.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's why I remember it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hell yeah the time.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
This is why I get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Why I get in trouble because do we be having
kitchen conversations on the radio? Is that wrong? No?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We have them. We have them on the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That there's a segment on our show it's called Talk
Your Ship. We tell people who are you what do
you do? What are you proud of? This is your
time to shine and I don't need you to hold back.
So how this works here on this show is bitch,
I'm taking my Braxton, Oh, my sister's Tony Braxton. I'm
(05:42):
the person that put together the family all of that.
Like you run your resume without having to apologize.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
For it, I don't apologize.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Run your resume without apologizing for it. Tell us that
what octave you can sing? I mean, just go just
this is the time to be a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I have a hard time doing this, the talking about myself.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, no, So this is what this show is designed
for because the show was kind of centered around my
behavior and I get that I'm a narcissist a lot
that I'd like to talk about myself or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But if I don't talk.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
About me, who else and the world will erase or.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Attempt to erase anything that I've ever done or just reduce,
deduce me down to me sucking dick, and that's not what.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm You know, my baby daddy has this conversation with
me often. He was like, you better than me. I
popped my shit.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So right now, in this moment, this is the segment
called talk your Shit. Okay, so you started, my name
is Tamar Braxton, and then just run. I don't give
a fuck if it's thirty minutes long.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Run that show.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
It's not going to be thirty minutes and be like
three seconds. Go ahead, Okay, what's up, everybody? It's your girl,
Tamar es Steen Braxton V one and only. First of all,
how did she come to be? She came to be
because her resume is long as hell. Okay, First of all,
let's start off with the background singing. Back in the
nine nine and two thousand, she sang for Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
She sang for who else? Everybody? I was the number
one highest paid background vocalist period. Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
All the girls would call me Charlie Wilson, everybody would
call me, every producer would call me to sing background.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And then after I became a background singer, I became
a background singer on the road, and I sang for
the Tony Braxton, which happens to be my sister, Yes,
Luxury Bloodline. I sang background for her for fifteen years.
And if that was not enough for the girls, I
decided that I didn't want to be in the background
no more.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I wanted to be a solo star because she could sing.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Okay, and not only can she sing, there's only one
or two more better singers than me, and I am
in the top three period. Okay, my octave I have
a five octave range, which I was in the Guineas
Book Worlds Records, and I did beat that Mariah Carey
one year, which is my idol.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I am five times Grammy nominated, four time Emmy nominated
because I did create two of the biggest shows that
was on TV at the same time, which was The
Brax and Family Values and The Real and also honorable
mention Tamar Events.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, and then shall I keep going?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh okay. I had a number one single for thirteen weeks.
It was called Love and War Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
And not only did that record come out at only
second to Arianna Grande, who at that time had twelve
point five million views on her Instagram and Instagram followers,
I only had one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah. And then so my single Love and War was
number one for thirteen weeks.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yes, and I went on tour by myself and then
I've been on tour since that album came out, and
then it did a ten year reunion tour which I
funded and promoted myself and it sold out, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is there Mark? Yes? Therek I think there is more.
Oh yeah, she is an actress. Honey.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I am the only African American female talent and producer
to have four number one shows at the same time
on four different networks.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Anything else? Do you hear the silence?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not even Oprah four at the same.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Now you see how you run your resume. You know
what gets swallowed up in that? Your personal life.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You're the things that surround your personal life. All of
that gets because a lot of that I didn't know.
And if you would have kept going, I wouldn't have
known a lot of these things, because you know what
the media focus is on my personal life, your personal life,
the stuff. Now, I watched you on a show called
The Queen's Court. At first, this is the first time
(10:01):
that you're gonna ever hear this. I was mad at you,
at me, Yes, why I was mad at you because
look I felt in my spirit I was like you,
my sister. Why now fuck is y'all? Using Queen's quote
Oh no.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
That was a serious conversation because when I signed on
to do the show, I didn't even know the name
of the show, and so when I found out the
name of the show, we was in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's a true story. I actually produced, and I said,
who came up with this name? They said, the network
came up with the neighbor.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Of course, at any production, they're gonna blame the network, right,
I said, well, there's a there's a show that ts
Madison has called Queen's Cort.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Did y'all clear that wire? He said, They said that
it was a different type of show and they didn't
have to. Oh okay, well I will say this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I was hurt. I wasn't more mad.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But you know what I did to the public when
the public was tagging me about it, But I said,
I hope that the ladies go out there in the
world and they make this a superhit like we did
when it was when it was yeah, that's the name
of your show though it was me and coyas, Yes
it was, and I said, this is I feel like
I but I said that, but in my spirit, I
(11:07):
was hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Really, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I was hurt because I was like, ain't nobody call me?
Ain't nobody called me and say nothing? And I did
have ownership of the name good and I had ownership
of the of the of the of the subsidiary of that,
which was the Queen Supreme Court. And I wasn't even
gonna make it no pressure. I didn't make it no pressure.
Because you were there.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Things would have ended differently.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Probably I could have shook the ship up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's a lot of things I could have did I did.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I could have shook that thing up and caused all
types of problems for the network, but I didn't. And
now that I know that, the network said that they
didn't have to hear me, y'all might be hearing from
my lawyers because there's season two out there.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't think no one seen that though.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, but we saw your season period. Well I don't
have those, but you're so stupid, what is the problem?
So yeah, again, I needed you to know that I
was that that hurt. That was a little hurt by that.
I never told nobody in the public that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Wow, because I wish you would have called me and
told Well, but when.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We talked about it, when we talked. I didn't even
talk to you about it. I just was like, sister,
I'm so glad and I watched the show and it
was a good show. Yeah, it was a good show.
It was that season.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yo, you got a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now, Harley Robinson, Pete Holly Pete Robinson, sister, call me
because I didn't know that the network said that.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
But I didn't have that conversation with her. I had
a conversation with a production company. Oh yeah, I called
them in my room because I didn't want no smoke.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I wasn't gonna give it to you. No.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I just didn't want to be a part of the smoke.
That had nothing to do with me. I was just casting.
I did not produce the show, you know, but but
we thought that you did. No, I didn't. It actually
was what's the producer? What is the producer? Guys?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
The one who the black producer? Oh, come on, oh
him Will Packer. Yeah, it's Will Packer show. And I
wasn't going to do the show. And this was like
shortly after Tracy died and he called me and he
and he asked me to do the show. He was like,
this is going to be a good distraction for you
(13:34):
and you might find love you never know. And I
was like, yeah, whatever, And so I asked for a
crazy astronomical number and he gave it to me.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay, and I did the show.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
He may have to give me one of those numbers,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He may have to I just didn't want to do it.
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He may have to give me one of those crazy
astronomical numbs.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So, y'all, I thought that was my show and I
took your name. That is nasty business. And I would
never do that to you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But for the public, I said to the public.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
See, I think that's a problem that the public thinks
that I would be that kind of individual. You get
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Because it was it was circulating, it was on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
and I had to eat that and everybody's like, that's
your friend.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, that's your friend. Friend. I would never that's your.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Friend, that's your friend doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And I was like, they have my blessing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Was I hurt? Yes, because I thought that it was
my show. Oh wow, it was not my show.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I would never will I said that out. When when
there was a season two, I was like, m somebody
need to run me a check. Yeah, you see.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Y'all the ladies. Somebody need to run me a check
or we'll see. Well, it probably won't be back. Oh
I want you to know something, what your sister is.
May you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Never slumber, May you reach a grasp?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I felt that one.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, Now.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We're here and you're back with the new season of
the Braxton Family Values. I think the show is called
the Braxtons. Now the Braxtons. I want to talk to
you about the reception from the other people. Why did
you come back to do the show because we're gonna
(15:50):
get deep here.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, we gotta get deep. When the Tears Massing Experience
came out, you called me. You told me be careful.
I meant it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Because because Tears. For those of you out there that
don't know, the TS Mathson Experience aired on WE TV.
It made me the first black transgender woman to executive
produce and start in her own reality television series on Earth.
I'm the first black one to do that on Earth,
and I think WE TV for that because that also moved.
(16:22):
But you call me, you said be careful. I did
while you back.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I came back because this was the dyinguish for my
sister Tracy, and also the players that I told you
to be careful of are no longer there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, I saw that, and so I was able to
so those seedy fingers worked for everybody.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So I was able to come back with integrity and
know not you know, being a person who talks a
lot of shit and don't follow my own shit. So
I was able to come back with an open mind
because there were new people in those positions, and also
(17:16):
get what I deserved in the end.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I know your sister crossed over to the Great and
she's a part of your aura. She's a part of
your energy, she's a part of your trajectory. Yeah, she's
a part of your protection. How are you.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Truly healing with that?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
How are you? What do you what do you do
to heal or to or what is your healing around that?
How is that?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It was really really, really difficult.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
But while Tracy was transitioning, I was actually going through
something myself right, And I went.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
To why can't I think today? I had a wild
night last night?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
No? I actually been celibate for a whole year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh girl, I'm gone. I'm a celebrate too. Bits you
hear me, Oh my god, do you think that this
is one of the places like I wanted, the people
that you can be completely free with.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yes, yes, yes, I for got the name of it.
But I was going through when somebody dies. What's the
name of the therapy you go through, Oh, bereavement is
the name of grief counseling. Yeah, I was going through
grief counseling. And I thought I was going through grief
counseling to completely get over my relationship with the person.
(18:50):
And no, I guess God in the universe had me
set up to go through grief counseling at that time
to be able to deal with Tracy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Although it didn't work when she passed.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
The year after is when it really which was last
year when it was really serious for me, and I
didn't know that I had PTSD and I didn't know
that because she died five days before my birthday, I
didn't know that it would play a part in me
not enjoying the one time of year, Saint Tamar's Day
(19:29):
that I would enjoy, you know, for the latter part.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Of my life.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
She was an amazing yeah person, No, like the greatest
amazing I want you to know she was. She was amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Remember that time that we were at the hotel and
oh my god, I'm about to get emotional about your sister.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You are because we were at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It was me and you and Kanye came down there
and we were eating breakfast or whatever, and she came
in and she was like, bitch.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Me and her girl.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
We were just like, gir We instantly just grew out.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah yeah, and we instantly was immediately and we was
keen like I mean, she was a key my key, yeah,
and we key like yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Kanye went about beings, but we was ken like, we
were keen and we had such a good like. I
left there with such and I was like damn. And
when she didn't, I was like fuck, I.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Know, I know, but she was really really really really
really sick, really sick. It would have broke your heart
to see her that way.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I saw when you guys showed her the tattoos and stuff,
and I.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Was just just like, wow, Yeah, she was spunky then too.
We are still the only black long running family reality
show period.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And to piggyback off there, why the hell y'all not
paid like the Kardashians.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I didn't say that. I wasn't. I don't know about it.
Everybody else? Shall we move on? We can? I like
that answer a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Because really, which brings me to the next segment of
my show. It's called the villain era.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh I am not the villain. I know, y'all think.
Here's the thing. The people have grown up. Who is
watching the bract what they say? But see how you ready?
That's what I need.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now let's get into your villain era.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Now, you know every outlaw it's labeled a villain at
some point, often when you're just trying to live your
truth or do your best. Your villain era could be
a time you stop people pleasing, a time you stood
up for yourself. Maybe you made a mistake, or maybe
you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe the
world just simply was it ready for you?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Tamar Braxton?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yes, my love?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What is your feeling?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Eraror? And what did you learn from it? Oh? To
shut the fuck up? But which era was it?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
My god, I think it was the Braxtons, the first Braxtons.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
What you did, bitch?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
What didn't I do?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Let me tell you what I won't want to apologize
for I read all my sisters at the table.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I ate them up. They didn't even have any room
to say anything bad. I said, you was with.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And you and you and you and you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just nobody asked me. You just went I just
went to reading. But really the truth is is I
was reading the fuck out events really well.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Why didn't you direct the energy over there?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You had to get to them?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
And I was like, because this one right here, I
was like, you got what you got, you got what
you got, what you got, what you got, But this
one right here is a motherfucker basically what I was saying. Yeah,
totally different. Yeah, and so you learned through your billionaire
to just shut up, shut up unless somebody asks you.
You don't have to give your unsolicited advice. Because I
(23:31):
could have just want want and cuts them out real good.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I ain't had to, but I thought I was making
a point like I know you got this, you got that,
you got that, you got this, but you ain't.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Y'all don't know about this motherfucker over here.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And it took reading every one of your sisters to
get that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's what I'm saying I had to do that. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I didn't, but you did it, and you know you
learned to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Shut the fuck up. Nobody asked you the fuck. I
want to talk to you a bit about big brother. Yay, okay,
would you do it again?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Why would I do it again? I broke all kind
of records. Go back to do what? To win again?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
To be the first black female person to win, be
the first black person to win, be the first black
person to win unanimously.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, go back for what?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you know that you're good TV?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So would I be? You gotta do it part? No,
you probably have to call around they asking me to girl,
you gotta do it. I don't know if I could
live in the house with people.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I didn't know that either, But that was the least
of the words. You know how to play a game,
I do. And you're smart as fun yes, yeah, and
you are intuitive and that he very much. So. Oh,
it's so good. You win, you win, You.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Gotta do it if they ask me. But what I
want to ask you is this, what did you learn
about yourself in that house?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
To trust myself? Yeah, that was the biggest thing because
I didn't trust myself at all.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Why because I didn't sit still for a while to
learn that about myself. And in that house, there's no TV,
there's no distractions. You just have you and your brain
and the holy ghosts.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And the other motherfuckers around. The other motherfucker's there.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
But you know, it's like you don't really like when
it's game time, you kind of with somebody like us.
We know how to put pieces of a puzzle together.
And once you do that and you cann't really do
that in your mind and not be distracted is when
you trust your gut. So I had to learn real fast.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
So it sounds like would you do Traders?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
No? No, I don't want to go to Scotland. I
want my phone. I'm past that point.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And you know you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You don't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, wouldn't you like to go to Scotland?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, no, not for Traders. I want to my phone.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You've experienced one of the Duke of Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I love that show. I'm a big fan. But I
want my phone and I want to leave. When I
want to leave, I want to go home.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
In the phone.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I want to talk to my son. You know what
I'm saying. I want my phone.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Fuck, I got business to dude, like, I want my phone? Ok, yeah,
all right, ain't no man in my far. I'm not
even talking to anybody. Why, I haven't met anyone, and
I'm not just going to open myself up to anyone.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I did that, But that's not true.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I did. I did that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You didn't just open yourself up to anyone. You opened up.
You dated on a show publicly?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Would you date? Would you do a dating show again?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Hell no, because you have to check the integrity of
the men that are showing up on a TV show
to meet women.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, it's a trap.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You didn't know that the first time.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I thought I was going in to meet my Marcus Graham.
But you didn't think that the first I didn't go
on the show to meet anybody. So it took I
went on the show for a check a coin.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So, bitch, that was real.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It was real?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh god, sister, No, well it was real for me.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We're not reading anybody, No, I'm just telling you it
was real for me. I just want to go back
to this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Ahead, all right, do you think there's more? Yes? Go ahead?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Well you got to call it out because I don't remember.
I don't even lived that life.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's so zen.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
It's so wonderful being in my world, it really is.
I enjoyed myself every day. That's the greatest jobs on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm successful, as you said, jo As.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, I created my own ship. You know
what I mean. I don't have to call nobody to
get a check.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Bitch, I'm amazing, I'm pretty as fuck, my skin is amazing,
my pussy good, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Rich as fuck. Like like, you want to be mean?
You sound like me?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, sing my fucking face off. I wish your bitch
would challenge me, like, what do you mean? I don't
that's what I mean, villain er, I don't even think
about it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Some shit like that. What are we doing? Talk about
some money? Let's create something? Well, you know we can
always do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
You know we can always do that.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
But we know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I like a little shady shit.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But okay, I like, but are you there to be shady?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah? Not shady, but if you were asked questions, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Of course. The only person I'm beefing with is the
devil literally.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Why do you think that you are always intertwined?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I am not always? Well, why do you think people
think that you're always interesting? Because that is how they
met me on the bracts and I was the villain.
I'm getting into every getting into it with everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aren't black women supposed to be supporting other black women?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's what they say. They don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So let's talk about that really quickly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Let me put these cards down.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, I hate that, I know, and I know you
hate it, and it gets under your skin because you
are the like, the exact opposite of what they're trying
to portray you to be. That is quite frustrating frustrating,
isn't it. I know I get that all the time too.
But I'm not making this about me and especially black
(29:43):
people who do that, Like, why do that? Why do
you all think that we want to use our platform
to tear another person down?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What?
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Now?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We can have fun.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
We could kiki all day, yeah, and have our own opinion,
but we're not up here trying to tear some.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know how hard it is to get here.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
At this.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
In any shade? Yeah, Like, are you kidding me? But
we're gonna entertain because that's why you're here.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I get so tired of this whole.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Division with black women, and also the division of black
women and trans women, and the constant reminder of you're
not a real woman. Oh you're not a real woman.
You're not a this, You're not And I'm like, why
are we here? The country is in turmoil right now
(30:43):
because the government has made the girls public enemy number one?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
As my friend, It's unfortunate because it's not fair, and
I think that everybody wants to be seen and heard
and by that being the number one which seems to
be the number one problem over there is trans and
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gay and that shouldn't even.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's not a political thing.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It's a people thing, you know, and it is despicable
and disgusting because for people to not accept people for
who they are is diabolical.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, I think that it comes from a place of
religious background. I think you know that both of us
are church.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
However, up and through we love the Lord.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
We just I don't think that's a church thing, because
the Good Book says come as you are.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, but again, it's religion.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think that we know that we have a great
relationship with the Holy Ghos, but it's the institution of
religion that has us in these places. The institution of
religion has destroyed black people. It has it has everybody divided.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Mm hmm. You ain't posted this the Bible say this.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
There's a lot of people that ain't read nobot heard
about it. But telling me what the Bible say. You
and I private talk a lot about a lot of things.
Where are you spiritually?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I don't I don't understand that question.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Okay, maybe I'd like to go. Maybe I need to
peel a layer back. You and I both love the
Lord and do you and I both know that Jesus
is real. It's real too, the evidence of speaking in time.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We know this. But we also have extended beliefs, Yes
we do.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think I saw something recently where where people have
questioned you because you you communicate with mediums or psychic
mm hmm. You know, and you know the things.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Why can we not.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Have a connection.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't know. But I call myself a liberal Christian.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Tell me what that means.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That just means that it's not anything that I am
stuck to. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Like I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I
believe he died for my sins. I don't read the
Bible anymore. Wait a minute, I feel like the Bible
is no. No, I'm just saying it's a guideline, so
I don't have to go and you know, just read
the Bible.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I go to God. I go to the Bible for stories.
I go to the Bible for if I want to, like,
read the Bible.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Girl, I'm not girl, I don't want to say some
shit it's so bad, but keep I'm trying to keep
my personal bitter person and.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Your y'all sheh is bad like bad? It can't Who
is that what they're telling you to do. I don't
know why they said, we don'et did something wrong.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm trying to change the subject. People are gonna eat
us down.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I don't get I'm tired of us having to do
everything for the people. I'm tired of us having to
hide everything. I'm tired of us having to be like late.
I don't There was a series I started on my
on my social media. It's called You're not Allowed?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
What's that mean? That means bitch.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
You can't have toe up teeth telling me I'm bad body.
Your weave can't be not done, telling me I'm ugly.
You cannot be built like a motherfucking bleach bottle or
a or a big goat or a slurpy telling me
I'm unattractive.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
You're not allowed. You're not allowed.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm not allowed. You're not allowed. You're not allowed. You
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You can't be.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sitting over there and all your flaws pointing out all
my telling me that I gotta be the perfect, the
perfect thing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You're not allowed to do that, because you know what
I'm gonna do, what you're gonna do. I'm gonna go
on your profile and I'm gonna post your picture beer.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
People that can't handle that, they can't handle that.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It's not fair you post somebody and the people want
to like, fool you what my opinion?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ain't this social media? Social media?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Weren't you just having a whole and didn't you try
to you try to a dog whistle all these people
to come in the dog power on me?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Ain't that crazy? The people?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You don't mean to tell me that all that stuff
that you talked about me, my weight, my hair, my height,
my family, my stomach, my necks, and you sitting over there,
bitch looking like maguill up goal.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You're not allowed, bitch.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And so for all the celebrities out there that follow me,
you get it from them too.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, no, they watched me for a week. I post
every bitch that was talking trash about me.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Every bitch that talked trash about me. I posted the
picture I posted they anything I found there was toe
up on their mother. I had girls locking their page down.
I had girls going over there locking their page up, honey,
like they was locking their social security never over their equifact.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I had the shut up. Yeah, because you're not allowed because.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You what you have lived your life in the public.
They think that because you live your life out in
the public, that they have public access to just tear
you down. And that and that bitch, we both sharing
public platform. You got your pictures up, I got mine?
Why why today can't be your day?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yell loud? Would you ever do it?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Do what? Just take a week and respond?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, I'm busy, No, I ain't got it.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm always busy.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I know, and you're busy, busy. I ain't got it
for these people.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Since when I'm on the plane, or I'm on the
or I'm chilling or I'm in.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
My room, I'll collect all the time to work.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, because the money already rolling.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, I just want to hold a No, the money
is it rolls while I'm resting, So roll over when
so I got the time?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, I'm an I'm into such. I'm in a different place.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
But I'm in a good place to But you're a Pisces,
though I am. I'm a Libra, but i'm a you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You did tell me that. That's why we Yeah, I'm Pisces,
pi pis I have a Piscey's moon. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, that's what we know about my last Yeah, that's
why we know these things. That's why we can say,
May you never sleep, may you never slumble, May you
reach a never grass.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's why we can say that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, because we're a liberal Christians.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yes, we're a liberal Christians. You enjoyed that, don't you?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Liberal?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Liberal?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Everything, I know the sun.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Now, I know that you heal, and I know that
you're in a great place right now. But there is
a section of my show. It's called Banit Bitch, banit Bitch.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's time for my favorite segment, which is called band
it Bitch. Some people out here are banning drag shows, LBGTQ,
plus books and even our very existence. But we are
flipping the script and turning the tables. What's something you
would ban if you ran the world. Here's how it works.
(39:21):
We each get one minute to take our case for
what needs to go. Let me kick it off to
show you how to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It works.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
My name is ts Madison, and if I ran the world,
I would baan you holes that thank you allowed to
get away with whatever you want to get away with
because you're on social media. Let me explain something to you.
Your page is open, just like my page is open.
That does not give you permission to be on my
page picking through and finding all the flaws. You are
(39:52):
not allowed to point out every flaw that I have
and then tell me that I can't point out.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yours, bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I want to be you girls for sitting over here
thinking that you have access to me just because I
am a star. Yes, I know you girls say that
I'm booked and busy because I am booking busy and therefore, bitch,
when I'm sitting in first class, not going past row six,
I have.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Time to read you hosts into an oblivion.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So I am banning you girls for thinking that I
don't that I'm miserable because I respond because that's not true.
I'm responding it to you because it's fun for me.
There are times that I am sitting back, honey and
letting you know, girl that when I'm counting these bands
by the time I step off the plane, that I
know that you don't have it. So you're not allowed
to read motherfucking me in your impoverished place. So I'm
(40:41):
banning you for trying to serve me, bitch when you
are not allowed to do so.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And I thank you. Oh that's great. I don't if
I can come behind that. There's things that you're passionate about. No,
it's not what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So there's nothing that you just want to get rid
of of?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
God, I'm so zen.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Would you bear the old lady game?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I don't care enough?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, how about your bearing food places?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That the band band?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
When I'm gonna When am I gonna band? I am
banning the Atlanta people.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Why are you say yes?
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Because y'all charged me twenty dollars to go in your
restaurant to pay for my food. Yeah, not only do
I have to pay for the food, but I have
to pay for the ice as well. Now, if I
want to have my beverage to be cold, and this
(41:53):
is your establishment, why do I have to pay you
an extra three dollars to get my paid.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Ice coffee iced? Why is that? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
You cannot nickel and dying me for your restaurant, and
you want to know something else? I don't want smoke
on my grits, so please, Why do I have to
have the hookah in front of my grits? How come
I can't just eat in peace without the smoke of
the hookah being all over my plate?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Why is that? I'm betting y'all, Land of people? There
is more?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
There is more to y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
This is not a real place, okay, anything else?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Baltimore?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I love it. It's so much good peenis there? So
I've heard, No, am I the only So I'm not
the only one that's told you that.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No, You're not the only one that's told me that.
But the Baltimore people are tricky baby, have your fun
and leave them there.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh, trust I'm becking at last with the smoke in
front of my grips.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
We do you know? You know that Mario from Baltimore?
He fine? Are he fine? You know?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I have to watch you, I say, because you again,
They'll start digging into me like, oh gosh, you over there?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
What just said somebody's attractive?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, you gotta watch that?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
No, we can't have I have to watch that, I do.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So what whole silence is ts medicine? Girl?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Listen because I know that I'm gonna clap back, So
I just I just don't say it because I know
I'm gonna get in the ring. But if you if
there are men that I think that are fine there?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Who else is fine? Who's gonna find is that? Errand people?
He that?
Speaker 5 (44:01):
What did you say about my brother? He's with Tay Taylor,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He's still attractive. We're gonna fight over that.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
But you gotta be careful with these girls.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I want that girl. Man, we just found out. I
won't even know that together. I'm talking about Mofossa. It's
my favorite movie.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
What did you do to my brother? I always wanted
all look at the dick on that brother. I want
to ride on that, brother, I do.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm ready being that you've been celibate for a year.
How do you get through it? I can't be celibate
for no, Yes, I can. I've I think when there's
something that you want from the universe, you have to
make a sacrifice for it, and you can go through
if you really in tune with yourself, you can really
(44:57):
like say, okay, this is it. I ain't doing that. Yeah,
I went a whole year without sucking dig.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
That was a hard fast for you, huh because I
like meat? Yeah, we all like me, Yes and so.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
But something came from that though it did was what show?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh you gotta give the gid? Yeah, not inside and
get fucked. That's no, I got it. I got it.
So do you like it and your celibacy? What are
you not?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
You say it's totally nothing?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Do you watch porn?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Not while I'm sellibate. I'm not a square. What type
of porn have you enjoyed? I enjoy all porn.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Oh, there's one last question? Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
No, No, there's one last question tamorrow to ask you
that I've never asked you in all of our friendship.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
How did you get so? Are you hungry? I'm always hungry,
only eat on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
How did you get so close to the libiquit a
community that's.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
The lb gt Q. I, oh, you didn't know this, Okay,
So fourth grade, I was sitting next to this guy.
I think his name was Alex and he was different,
but I didn't know at the time that he was
lgbt Q and we that was my dog, you hear me.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We failed my marine biology together, so he was not.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He was not deep diving.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
We was note we was not interested.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
No, and we went kiki all day while the teacher
she could not stand us. But we were cracking jokes,
talking and he taught me how to diet. He did
he would bring green.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Peppers for lunch. I thought he was amazing, and so
that's what fuelled your Yeah, it was very natural and
ever since then, you know, my click, you've been a
fruit fly. I've been a fruit fly fly.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
What is the worst thing that someone has called you
with being associated with the girls.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That that kind of stung?
Speaker 5 (47:39):
I don't think I had anything, because mine is. I
think that you can tell when people are doing it
to be down with the girls. But mine has been
one hundred percent authentic, you know what I mean. My
whole staff is LGBTQ. You know, like my friends are LGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Like you know what I mean. It's real, it's my
real life. So would you say that you would you
be a queer queer person?
Speaker 5 (48:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
No, no, No, I mean like, like, would I be queer?
Speaker 5 (48:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I tried, No, that doesn't work. I'm not attracted to women.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I mean, God, can y'all help me in the in
the my girls in the back back there, And you
know the question I'm trying to ask.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
No, I don't would I be a queer person because
queer doesn't necessarily mean sex?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yes, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
No, Like, was she like because she's so she's not
just adjacent because she she's.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So in it?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yes, So it's like not so because because queer necessarily
does not have anything to do with intercourse. So what
is the word that I'm trying to say, girl? Because
y'all know I don't know all the term not just
an ally she's one of the girls. So yes, I
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mean because it's it's very much so deeper, it's deeper
than her just being like because they're people who are like, oh,
I'm friends with gay people or trains people whatever. But
then there are people that are like they're one of
the girls.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Bag like one of the girls. Like I didn't call
that all my life.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Like like if we out together, if we're out together,
she's getting clocked.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
We all getting clocked. Girl, it's like that the TSS school,
she's like girl and.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Training. Bit.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, that's what you know, That's what I'm trying to
because I don't I don't know how to put it
in words, because I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Like when I be butcher, no, what you mean when
I have a quick when I be queer. Queer is
not sex. It doesn't mean you mean it means, God,
what the fuck? I'm a part of the family.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, but it's just not you haven't because I not
you having an attraction to a one man or being
same sex.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Going through all the things that we go through as
queer people going through, you know, Like I had another
guess on the show that I don't want to say
it right now, and they identify they're there're they're straight,
but they they've.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Had so much queer experience her. They don't being spooked
as what as the girls back there?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Help me?
Speaker 5 (50:41):
We don't know what the fuck you talking about, Doug,
But you know what I mean, So y'all break it
down to me, because I want to know.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
She identifies as what like you, you're a you're.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
A female, you're a biological woman.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, but I'm a power bottom me too, I mean
yeah like that, like yeah, I get the same ship though.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, like that, like being like being being so closely
adjacent that you fall in the rabbit hole of funny
when they're hunting the girls, they're gonna get her too.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
They're gonna gather her up too, because it's like, you know,
we used to.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Call them in Florida what punks with pussies. Yeah, that's
me right, that's I'm from Florida. We used to call
the girls. That's so that's so down because we get
a lot of people who say, oh, I'm friends with
the girl, our little girl. No, bit's that's your life. Yeah,
your surroundings, your workings, you're into workings, your business, you're
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did like it's.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
The girl so a person to be like, well, there
one of the girls ben since the fourth grade.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
But that's what I mean about being queer, because queer
it is not. It's because I'm Trands. But my identity
is heterosexual. I told you so yourself. It's heterosexual, trands sexual.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Okay, so what's mine?
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You are heterosexual?
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Power bout them, queer.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Biological woman, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
This has been the Outlaws Podcast with Turnine Braxtent Distress.
Since I love you, I love you, I love you.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I love coming to And this is the new job
I haven't I haven't been.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Over here to listener. You know, I keep multiple jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I want to say this before we walk out of here,
because this is important. Thank you for sharing your private
experiences that you've had with me publicly. Yeah, because again
I get tired of them with the narrative that I
don't like black women.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
It's so crazy to me. Y'all stop saying that. Y'all
find something else to say.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's like when you when you and I didn't do
it for you to affirm because I didn't even know
you were going to affirm. Oh I'm gonna like because
which when I fucked with you, that's what we does
it And when those jobs came down the pipeline for me.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
You call a black bitch, yes, yeah, a black woman. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
When those jobs came down that pipeline for me, I
was like, girl, it's good times too, baby. We made
an wait a minute, what's that beeping?
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Another check?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Oh maybe we made a nasty piece of money, but
I didn't. I went home after you told me what
it did for you. Oh yeah, later on that day
and I told my mommy, I said, Mommy, and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I was a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
I got, you know, don't let these don't let it
fool y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Got a soft side.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
I felt so like, I thank God that he allowed
a blessing to come for me, to come, for you
and your family.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
It was a big blessing. And to know that.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
It was during the time with your sister and all
that stuff, that's probably what the emotion was. Just earlier
that your sister.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Was in here saying thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Because I loved Jose I love you too.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
I love your Yeah. Tracy, Ladies and gentlemen, this has
been the Outlaws podcast with We had Vaka that morning.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
You know, Tracy loved like love what's she called a
breakfast hottail girl. I think I might have one myself.
I'm gonna have a Tracy Day today. Yeah, I'm gonna
do things all Tracy Day. You have vodka back in
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the morning, Get you a man Tonight.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krinicch and our producers are
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Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just Crimechic. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producers.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Montina. Not Got You
Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up, my mouth up and goes out.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
No wait, no wind. When your intes bdd b b
d bed bo.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
See yourself, get a job ricking Honey, rick hoondre.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Chasing it all.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He out live and it's color easy. This is Outlaws
with TS Medicine, Honey, is it on?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Is it on?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Is this bitch recording? This is your girl t S
Medisine coming to you loud live in old ways. I'm
forever in color from the Outlaws podcast with Ts Madison
and Honey. I have been in all types of headlines.
I've been in all types of news. I get drug
from the back of to the front of my forehead. Honey,
about my next guest who happens to be a good
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friend of mine, who's been a good friend of mine
for some years now. Ladies and gentlemen, The reality star,
the singer, the artist, the phenomenon that is Tamar Braxton.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hello, my love. I had no idea You're get in
trouble for me a lot. I don't understand that to me,
I just.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I just want to say, Tamar, you are one of
the biggest personalities. I think that your body does not
even hold it a mass, the personality that's inside of you.
I just don't think that you really understand that. I
think that you are an exceptional artist. I think that
your vocals are Chris. I remember sitting at your house
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one night and you did.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I can't catch that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You got me feeling emotions. We may not, but you
say emotions by Mariah Carey. Yeah, and I was like, growl,
wait a minute, yeah, she's mitel. And this was after
us eating tacos tacos, a plethora of tacles.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You had got it out.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. I was like, I cook and I sing. Yes, amen, we.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fellowship that night whatever. But I watched you sing that,
and I said, this girl, not that I didn't know
that you couldn't sing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You didn't know I could sing like that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I was like, grawl, yeah, because you know I'm a
Whitney girl.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yes, yes, I mean listen, see that's what I'm saying
my opinion, and I love Whitney.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I grew up on Whitney.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
When she was alive.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I think she was one of the most funniest individuals
that I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But for me, I Mariah Carey has been my idol.
You know what I mean. I never said that I
don't enjoy Whitney's music. Of course I do.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
But if you who I'm going to give you but Riah,
because she's been my idol since I was about ten
years old.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You said enjoy.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Or you just you you?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You never was absorbed about Whitney's music.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Her face off. She had one of the most incredible
crisp tones. Sorious.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So and if one gotta go question came up.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
One is dead already she is, Yeah, so what are
we talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I mean, so, if one gotta Go and their catalog
is so for you, it's definitely Whitney.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's always been oh what about you? What about Kendrick
or Drake?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I was gonna say something that was going to
get me in trouble, and I just like saying, yes,
why not? I like dark skinned men, Okay, So it's
always the dark skinned man for me. I don't care
what situation is. Okay, I like dark skinned men. Okay,
I respect that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's that coloriss not your opinion. It's how you feel.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now since we're here about the opinion stuff. We were
just outside talking before we came in here. Me and
Homegirl Kya got together and we were doing the Queen's Court.
When we were together, you know, we brought we we
talked about you aout.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It was it was just it was. It was the
greatest show.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It was a shady show.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Was amazing and it was it was no ill intentions. No,
it was just a shade. It was. It was now.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
There are times that we did go for I was like, oh, ship,
because my mama would be like, boom, why you why
you said that muffler?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Ship? I will never ever forget it. Girl.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh my god, oh my god, oh my.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
God, baby, y'all was pure comedy. It was magic. It
was magic. Why you while you stuning?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Because I remember that joke?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Baby, I remember a bunch of jokes. Okay the jokes.
Y'all was a queen of the jokes. Yeah, I put
that one together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You did.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's why I remember it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hell yeah the time.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
This is why I get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Why I get in trouble because do we be having
kitchen conversations on the radio? Is that wrong? No?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
We have them. We have them on the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That there's a segment on our show it's called Talk
Your Ship. We tell people who are you what do
you do? What are you proud of? This is your
time to shine and I don't need you to hold back.
So how this works here on this show is bitch,
I'm taking my Braxton, Oh, my sister's Tony Braxton. I'm
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the person that put together the family all of that.
Like you run your resume without having to apologize.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
For it, I don't apologize.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Run your resume without apologizing for it. Tell us that
what octave you can sing? I mean, just go just
this is the time to be a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I have a hard time doing this, the talking about myself.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, no, So this is what this show is designed
for because the show was kind of centered around my
behavior and I get that I'm a narcissist a lot
that I'd like to talk about myself or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But if I don't talk.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
About me, who else and the world will erase or.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Attempt to erase anything that I've ever done or just reduce,
deduce me down to me sucking dick, and that's not what.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm You know, my baby daddy has this conversation with
me often. He was like, you better than me. I
popped my shit.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So right now, in this moment, this is the segment
called talk your Shit. Okay, so you started, my name
is Tamar Braxton, and then just run. I don't give
a fuck if it's thirty minutes long.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Run that show.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
It's not going to be thirty minutes and be like
three seconds. Go ahead, Okay, what's up, everybody? It's your girl,
Tamar es Steen Braxton V one and only. First of all,
how did she come to be? She came to be
because her resume is long as hell. Okay, First of all,
let's start off with the background singing. Back in the
nine nine and two thousand, she sang for Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
She sang for who else? Everybody? I was the number
one highest paid background vocalist period. Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
All the girls would call me Charlie Wilson, everybody would
call me, every producer would call me to sing background.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
And then after I became a background singer, I became
a background singer on the road, and I sang for
the Tony Braxton, which happens to be my sister, Yes,
Luxury Bloodline. I sang background for her for fifteen years.
And if that was not enough for the girls, I
decided that I didn't want to be in the background
no more.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I wanted to be a solo star because she could sing.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Okay, and not only can she sing, there's only one
or two more better singers than me, and I am
in the top three period. Okay, my octave I have
a five octave range, which I was in the Guineas
Book Worlds Records, and I did beat that Mariah Carey
one year, which is my idol.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I am five times Grammy nominated, four time Emmy nominated
because I did create two of the biggest shows that
was on TV at the same time, which was The
Brax and Family Values and The Real and also honorable
mention Tamar Events.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, and then shall I keep going?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh okay. I had a number one single for thirteen weeks.
It was called Love and War Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
And not only did that record come out at only
second to Arianna Grande, who at that time had twelve
point five million views on her Instagram and Instagram followers,
I only had one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah. And then so my single Love and War was
number one for thirteen weeks.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yes, and I went on tour by myself and then
I've been on tour since that album came out, and
then it did a ten year reunion tour which I
funded and promoted myself and it sold out, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is there Mark? Yes? Therek I think there is more.
Oh yeah, she is an actress. Honey.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I am the only African American female talent and producer
to have four number one shows at the same time
on four different networks.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Anything else? Do you hear the silence?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not even Oprah four at the same.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Now you see how you run your resume. You know
what gets swallowed up in that? Your personal life.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You're the things that surround your personal life. All of
that gets because a lot of that I didn't know.
And if you would have kept going, I wouldn't have
known a lot of these things, because you know what
the media focus is on my personal life, your personal life,
the stuff. Now, I watched you on a show called
The Queen's Court. At first, this is the first time
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that you're gonna ever hear this. I was mad at you,
at me, Yes, why I was mad at you because
look I felt in my spirit I was like you,
my sister. Why now fuck is y'all? Using Queen's quote
Oh no.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
That was a serious conversation because when I signed on
to do the show, I didn't even know the name
of the show, and so when I found out the
name of the show, we was in the house.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's a true story. I actually produced, and I said,
who came up with this name? They said, the network
came up with the neighbor.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Of course, at any production, they're gonna blame the network, right,
I said, well, there's a there's a show that ts
Madison has called Queen's Cort.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Did y'all clear that wire? He said, They said that
it was a different type of show and they didn't
have to. Oh okay, well I will say this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I was hurt. I wasn't more mad.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But you know what I did to the public when
the public was tagging me about it, But I said,
I hope that the ladies go out there in the
world and they make this a superhit like we did
when it was when it was yeah, that's the name
of your show though it was me and coyas, Yes
it was, and I said, this is I feel like
I but I said that, but in my spirit, I
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was hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Really, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I was hurt because I was like, ain't nobody call me?
Ain't nobody called me and say nothing? And I did
have ownership of the name good and I had ownership
of the of the of the of the subsidiary of that,
which was the Queen Supreme Court. And I wasn't even
gonna make it no pressure. I didn't make it no pressure.
Because you were there.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Things would have ended differently.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Probably I could have shook the ship up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's a lot of things I could have did I did.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I could have shook that thing up and caused all
types of problems for the network, but I didn't. And
now that I know that, the network said that they
didn't have to hear me, y'all might be hearing from
my lawyers because there's season two out there.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't think no one seen that though.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, but we saw your season period. Well I don't
have those, but you're so stupid, what is the problem?
So yeah, again, I needed you to know that I
was that that hurt. That was a little hurt by that.
I never told nobody in the public that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Wow, because I wish you would have called me and
told Well, but when.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We talked about it, when we talked. I didn't even
talk to you about it. I just was like, sister,
I'm so glad and I watched the show and it
was a good show. Yeah, it was a good show.
It was that season.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yo, you got a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now, Harley Robinson, Pete Holly Pete Robinson, sister, call me
because I didn't know that the network said that.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
But I didn't have that conversation with her. I had
a conversation with a production company. Oh yeah, I called
them in my room because I didn't want no smoke.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I wasn't gonna give it to you. No.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I just didn't want to be a part of the smoke.
That had nothing to do with me. I was just casting.
I did not produce the show, you know, but but
we thought that you did. No, I didn't. It actually
was what's the producer? What is the producer? Guys?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
The one who the black producer? Oh, come on, oh
him Will Packer. Yeah, it's Will Packer show. And I
wasn't going to do the show. And this was like
shortly after Tracy died and he called me and he
and he asked me to do the show. He was like,
this is going to be a good distraction for you
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and you might find love you never know. And I
was like, yeah, whatever, And so I asked for a
crazy astronomical number and he gave it to me.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay, and I did the show.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
He may have to give me one of those numbers,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He may have to I just didn't want to do it.
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He may have to give me one of those crazy
astronomical numbs.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So, y'all, I thought that was my show and I
took your name. That is nasty business. And I would
never do that to you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But for the public, I said to the public.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
See, I think that's a problem that the public thinks
that I would be that kind of individual. You get
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Because it was it was circulating, it was on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
and I had to eat that and everybody's like, that's
your friend.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, that's your friend. Friend. I would never that's your.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Friend, that's your friend doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And I was like, they have my blessing.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Was I hurt? Yes, because I thought that it was
my show. Oh wow, it was not my show.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I would never will I said that out. When when
there was a season two, I was like, m somebody
need to run me a check. Yeah, you see.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Y'all the ladies. Somebody need to run me a check
or we'll see. Well, it probably won't be back. Oh
I want you to know something, what your sister is.
May you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Never slumber, May you reach a grasp?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I felt that one.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, Now.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We're here and you're back with the new season of
the Braxton Family Values. I think the show is called
the Braxtons. Now the Braxtons. I want to talk to
you about the reception from the other people. Why did
you come back to do the show because we're gonna
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get deep here.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, we gotta get deep. When the Tears Massing Experience
came out, you called me. You told me be careful.
I meant it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Because because Tears. For those of you out there that
don't know, the TS Mathson Experience aired on WE TV.
It made me the first black transgender woman to executive
produce and start in her own reality television series on Earth.
I'm the first black one to do that on Earth,
and I think WE TV for that because that also moved.
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But you call me, you said be careful. I did
while you back.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I came back because this was the dyinguish for my
sister Tracy, and also the players that I told you
to be careful of are no longer there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, I saw that, and so I was able to
so those seedy fingers worked for everybody.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So I was able to come back with integrity and
know not you know, being a person who talks a
lot of shit and don't follow my own shit. So
I was able to come back with an open mind
because there were new people in those positions, and also
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get what I deserved in the end.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I know your sister crossed over to the Great and
she's a part of your aura. She's a part of
your energy, she's a part of your trajectory. Yeah, she's
a part of your protection. How are you.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Truly healing with that?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
How are you? What do you what do you do
to heal or to or what is your healing around that?
How is that?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It was really really, really difficult.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
But while Tracy was transitioning, I was actually going through
something myself right, And I went.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
To why can't I think today? I had a wild
night last night?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
No? I actually been celibate for a whole year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh girl, I'm gone. I'm a celebrate too. Bits you
hear me, Oh my god, do you think that this
is one of the places like I wanted, the people
that you can be completely free with.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yes, yes, yes, I for got the name of it.
But I was going through when somebody dies. What's the
name of the therapy you go through, Oh, bereavement is
the name of grief counseling. Yeah, I was going through
grief counseling. And I thought I was going through grief
counseling to completely get over my relationship with the person.
(18:50):
And no, I guess God in the universe had me
set up to go through grief counseling at that time
to be able to deal with Tracy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Although it didn't work when she passed.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
The year after is when it really which was last
year when it was really serious for me, and I
didn't know that I had PTSD and I didn't know
that because she died five days before my birthday, I
didn't know that it would play a part in me
not enjoying the one time of year, Saint Tamar's Day
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that I would enjoy, you know, for the latter part.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Of my life.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
She was an amazing yeah person, No, like the greatest
amazing I want you to know she was. She was amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Remember that time that we were at the hotel and
oh my god, I'm about to get emotional about your sister.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You are because we were at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It was me and you and Kanye came down there
and we were eating breakfast or whatever, and she came
in and she was like, bitch.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Me and her girl.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
We were just like, gir We instantly just grew out.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah yeah, and we instantly was immediately and we was
keen like I mean, she was a key my key, yeah,
and we key like yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Kanye went about beings, but we was ken like, we
were keen and we had such a good like. I
left there with such and I was like damn. And
when she didn't, I was like fuck, I.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Know, I know, but she was really really really really
really sick, really sick. It would have broke your heart
to see her that way.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I saw when you guys showed her the tattoos and stuff,
and I.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Was just just like, wow, Yeah, she was spunky then too.
We are still the only black long running family reality
show period.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And to piggyback off there, why the hell y'all not
paid like the Kardashians.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I didn't say that. I wasn't. I don't know about it.
Everybody else? Shall we move on? We can? I like
that answer a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Because really, which brings me to the next segment of
my show. It's called the villain era.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh I am not the villain. I know, y'all think.
Here's the thing. The people have grown up. Who is
watching the bract what they say? But see how you ready?
That's what I need.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now let's get into your villain era.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Now, you know every outlaw it's labeled a villain at
some point, often when you're just trying to live your
truth or do your best. Your villain era could be
a time you stop people pleasing, a time you stood
up for yourself. Maybe you made a mistake, or maybe
you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe the
world just simply was it ready for you?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Tamar Braxton?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yes, my love?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What is your feeling?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Eraror? And what did you learn from it? Oh? To
shut the fuck up? But which era was it?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
My god, I think it was the Braxtons, the first Braxtons.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
What you did, bitch?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
What didn't I do?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Let me tell you what I won't want to apologize
for I read all my sisters at the table.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I ate them up. They didn't even have any room
to say anything bad. I said, you was with.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And you and you and you and you.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just nobody asked me. You just went I just
went to reading. But really the truth is is I
was reading the fuck out events really well.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Why didn't you direct the energy over there?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You had to get to them?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
And I was like, because this one right here, I
was like, you got what you got, you got what
you got, what you got, what you got, But this
one right here is a motherfucker basically what I was saying. Yeah,
totally different. Yeah, and so you learned through your billionaire
to just shut up, shut up unless somebody asks you.
You don't have to give your unsolicited advice. Because I
(23:31):
could have just want want and cuts them out real good.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I ain't had to, but I thought I was making
a point like I know you got this, you got that,
you got that, you got this, but you ain't.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Y'all don't know about this motherfucker over here.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And it took reading every one of your sisters to
get that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's what I'm saying I had to do that. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I didn't, but you did it, and you know you
learned to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Shut the fuck up. Nobody asked you the fuck. I
want to talk to you a bit about big brother. Yay, okay,
would you do it again?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Why would I do it again? I broke all kind
of records. Go back to do what? To win again?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
To be the first black female person to win, be
the first black person to win, be the first black
person to win unanimously.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well, go back for what?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Do you know that you're good TV?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So would I be? You gotta do it part? No,
you probably have to call around they asking me to girl,
you gotta do it. I don't know if I could
live in the house with people.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I didn't know that either, But that was the least
of the words. You know how to play a game,
I do. And you're smart as fun yes, yeah, and
you are intuitive and that he very much. So. Oh,
it's so good. You win, you win, You.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Gotta do it if they ask me. But what I
want to ask you is this, what did you learn
about yourself in that house?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
To trust myself? Yeah, that was the biggest thing because
I didn't trust myself at all.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Why because I didn't sit still for a while to
learn that about myself. And in that house, there's no TV,
there's no distractions. You just have you and your brain
and the holy ghosts.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And the other motherfuckers around. The other motherfucker's there.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
But you know, it's like you don't really like when
it's game time, you kind of with somebody like us.
We know how to put pieces of a puzzle together.
And once you do that and you cann't really do
that in your mind and not be distracted is when
you trust your gut. So I had to learn real fast.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
So it sounds like would you do Traders?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
No? No, I don't want to go to Scotland. I
want my phone. I'm past that point.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And you know you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You don't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, wouldn't you like to go to Scotland?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
No, no, not for Traders. I want to my phone.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You've experienced one of the Duke of Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I love that show. I'm a big fan. But I
want my phone and I want to leave. When I
want to leave, I want to go home.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
In the phone.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I want to talk to my son. You know what
I'm saying. I want my phone.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Fuck, I got business to dude, like, I want my phone? Ok, yeah,
all right, ain't no man in my far. I'm not
even talking to anybody. Why, I haven't met anyone, and
I'm not just going to open myself up to anyone.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I did that, But that's not true.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I did. I did that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
You didn't just open yourself up to anyone. You opened up.
You dated on a show publicly?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Would you date? Would you do a dating show again?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Hell no, because you have to check the integrity of
the men that are showing up on a TV show
to meet women.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, it's a trap.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You didn't know that the first time.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I thought I was going in to meet my Marcus Graham.
But you didn't think that the first I didn't go
on the show to meet anybody. So it took I
went on the show for a check a coin.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So, bitch, that was real.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It was real?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh god, sister, No, well it was real for me.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We're not reading anybody, No, I'm just telling you it
was real for me. I just want to go back
to this.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Ahead, all right, do you think there's more? Yes? Go ahead?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Well you got to call it out because I don't remember.
I don't even lived that life.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's so zen.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
It's so wonderful being in my world, it really is.
I enjoyed myself every day. That's the greatest jobs on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm successful, as you said, jo As.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, I created my own ship. You know
what I mean. I don't have to call nobody to
get a check.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Bitch, I'm amazing, I'm pretty as fuck, my skin is amazing,
my pussy good, I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Rich as fuck. Like like, you want to be mean?
You sound like me?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, sing my fucking face off. I wish your bitch
would challenge me, like, what do you mean? I don't
that's what I mean, villain er, I don't even think
about it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Some shit like that. What are we doing? Talk about
some money? Let's create something? Well, you know we can
always do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
You know we can always do that.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
But we know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I like a little shady shit.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
But okay, I like, but are you there to be shady?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah? Not shady, but if you were asked questions, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Of course. The only person I'm beefing with is the
devil literally.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Why do you think that you are always intertwined?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I am not always? Well, why do you think people
think that you're always interesting? Because that is how they
met me on the bracts and I was the villain.
I'm getting into every getting into it with everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aren't black women supposed to be supporting other black women?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's what they say. They don't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So let's talk about that really quickly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Let me put these cards down.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, I hate that, I know, and I know you
hate it, and it gets under your skin because you
are the like, the exact opposite of what they're trying
to portray you to be. That is quite frustrating frustrating,
isn't it. I know I get that all the time too.
But I'm not making this about me and especially black
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people who do that, Like, why do that? Why do
you all think that we want to use our platform
to tear another person down?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What?
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Now?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We can have fun.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
We could kiki all day, yeah, and have our own opinion,
but we're not up here trying to tear some.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You know how hard it is to get here.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
At this.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
In any shade? Yeah, Like, are you kidding me? But
we're gonna entertain because that's why you're here.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I get so tired of this whole.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Division with black women, and also the division of black
women and trans women, and the constant reminder of you're
not a real woman. Oh you're not a real woman.
You're not a this, You're not And I'm like, why
are we here? The country is in turmoil right now
(30:43):
because the government has made the girls public enemy number one?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
As my friend, It's unfortunate because it's not fair, and
I think that everybody wants to be seen and heard
and by that being the number one which seems to
be the number one problem over there is trans and
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gay and that shouldn't even.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's not a political thing.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It's a people thing, you know, and it is despicable
and disgusting because for people to not accept people for
who they are is diabolical.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, I think that it comes from a place of
religious background. I think you know that both of us
are church.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
However, up and through we love the Lord.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
We just I don't think that's a church thing, because
the Good Book says come as you are.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, but again, it's religion.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think that we know that we have a great
relationship with the Holy Ghos, but it's the institution of
religion that has us in these places. The institution of
religion has destroyed black people. It has it has everybody divided.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Mm hmm. You ain't posted this the Bible say this.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
There's a lot of people that ain't read nobot heard
about it. But telling me what the Bible say. You
and I private talk a lot about a lot of things.
Where are you spiritually?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I don't I don't understand that question.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Okay, maybe I'd like to go. Maybe I need to
peel a layer back. You and I both love the
Lord and do you and I both know that Jesus
is real. It's real too, the evidence of speaking in time.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
We know this. But we also have extended beliefs, Yes
we do.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I think I saw something recently where where people have
questioned you because you you communicate with mediums or psychic
mm hmm. You know, and you know the things.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Why can we not.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Have a connection.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't know. But I call myself a liberal Christian.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Tell me what that means.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That just means that it's not anything that I am
stuck to. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Like I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I
believe he died for my sins. I don't read the
Bible anymore. Wait a minute, I feel like the Bible
is no. No, I'm just saying it's a guideline, so
I don't have to go and you know, just read
the Bible.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I go to God. I go to the Bible for stories.
I go to the Bible for if I want to, like,
read the Bible.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Girl, I'm not girl, I don't want to say some
shit it's so bad, but keep I'm trying to keep
my personal bitter person and.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Your y'all sheh is bad like bad? It can't Who
is that what they're telling you to do. I don't
know why they said, we don'et did something wrong.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm trying to change the subject. People are gonna eat
us down.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I don't get I'm tired of us having to do
everything for the people. I'm tired of us having to
hide everything. I'm tired of us having to be like late.
I don't There was a series I started on my
on my social media. It's called You're not Allowed?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
What's that mean? That means bitch.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
You can't have toe up teeth telling me I'm bad body.
Your weave can't be not done, telling me I'm ugly.
You cannot be built like a motherfucking bleach bottle or
a or a big goat or a slurpy telling me
I'm unattractive.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
You're not allowed. You're not allowed.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm not allowed. You're not allowed. You're not allowed. You
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You can't be.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Sitting over there and all your flaws pointing out all
my telling me that I gotta be the perfect, the
perfect thing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You're not allowed to do that, because you know what
I'm gonna do, what you're gonna do. I'm gonna go
on your profile and I'm gonna post your picture beer.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
People that can't handle that, they can't handle that.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
It's not fair you post somebody and the people want
to like, fool you what my opinion?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ain't this social media? Social media?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Weren't you just having a whole and didn't you try
to you try to a dog whistle all these people
to come in the dog power on me?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Ain't that crazy? The people?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You don't mean to tell me that all that stuff
that you talked about me, my weight, my hair, my height,
my family, my stomach, my necks, and you sitting over there,
bitch looking like maguill up goal.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You're not allowed.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
You're not allowed, bitch.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And so for all the celebrities out there that follow me,
you get it from them too.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, no, they watched me for a week. I post
every bitch that was talking trash about me.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I missed it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Every bitch that talked trash about me. I posted the
picture I posted they anything I found there was toe
up on their mother. I had girls locking their page down.
I had girls going over there locking their page up, honey,
like they was locking their social security never over their equifact.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I had the shut up. Yeah, because you're not allowed because.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
You what you have lived your life in the public.
They think that because you live your life out in
the public, that they have public access to just tear
you down. And that and that bitch, we both sharing
public platform. You got your pictures up, I got mine?
Why why today can't be your day?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yell loud? Would you ever do it?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Do what? Just take a week and respond?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, I'm busy, No, I ain't got it.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm always busy.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I know, and you're busy, busy. I ain't got it
for these people.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Since when I'm on the plane, or I'm on the
or I'm chilling or I'm in.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
My room, I'll collect all the time to work.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, because the money already rolling.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, I just want to hold a No, the money
is it rolls while I'm resting, So roll over when
so I got the time?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, I'm an I'm into such. I'm in a different place.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
But I'm in a good place to But you're a Pisces,
though I am. I'm a Libra, but i'm a you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You did tell me that. That's why we Yeah, I'm Pisces,
pi pis I have a Piscey's moon. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, that's what we know about my last Yeah, that's
why we know these things. That's why we can say,
May you never sleep, may you never slumble, May you
reach a never grass.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
That's why we can say that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, because we're a liberal Christians.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yes, we're a liberal Christians. You enjoyed that, don't you?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Liberal?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Liberal?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Everything, I know the sun.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Now, I know that you heal, and I know that
you're in a great place right now. But there is
a section of my show. It's called Banit Bitch, banit Bitch.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's time for my favorite segment, which is called band
it Bitch. Some people out here are banning drag shows, LBGTQ,
plus books and even our very existence. But we are
flipping the script and turning the tables. What's something you
would ban if you ran the world. Here's how it works.
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We each get one minute to take our case for
what needs to go. Let me kick it off to
show you how to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It works.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
My name is ts Madison, and if I ran the world,
I would baan you holes that thank you allowed to
get away with whatever you want to get away with
because you're on social media. Let me explain something to you.
Your page is open, just like my page is open.
That does not give you permission to be on my
page picking through and finding all the flaws. You are
(39:52):
not allowed to point out every flaw that I have
and then tell me that I can't point out.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yours, bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I want to be you girls for sitting over here
thinking that you have access to me just because I
am a star. Yes, I know you girls say that
I'm booked and busy because I am booking busy and therefore, bitch,
when I'm sitting in first class, not going past row six,
I have.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Time to read you hosts into an oblivion.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So I am banning you girls for thinking that I
don't that I'm miserable because I respond because that's not true.
I'm responding it to you because it's fun for me.
There are times that I am sitting back, honey and
letting you know, girl that when I'm counting these bands
by the time I step off the plane, that I
know that you don't have it. So you're not allowed
to read motherfucking me in your impoverished place. So I'm
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banning you for trying to serve me, bitch when you
are not allowed to do so.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And I thank you. Oh that's great. I don't if
I can come behind that. There's things that you're passionate about. No,
it's not what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So there's nothing that you just want to get rid
of of?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
God, I'm so zen.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Would you bear the old lady game?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I don't care enough?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, how about your bearing food places?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That the band band?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
When I'm gonna When am I gonna band? I am
banning the Atlanta people.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Why are you say yes?
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Because y'all charged me twenty dollars to go in your
restaurant to pay for my food. Yeah, not only do
I have to pay for the food, but I have
to pay for the ice as well. Now, if I
want to have my beverage to be cold, and this
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is your establishment, why do I have to pay you
an extra three dollars to get my paid.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Ice coffee iced? Why is that? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
You cannot nickel and dying me for your restaurant, and
you want to know something else? I don't want smoke
on my grits, so please, Why do I have to
have the hookah in front of my grits? How come
I can't just eat in peace without the smoke of
the hookah being all over my plate?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Why is that? I'm betting y'all, Land of people? There
is more?
Speaker 3 (42:42):
There is more to y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
This is not a real place, okay, anything else?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Baltimore?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I love it. It's so much good peenis there? So
I've heard, No, am I the only So I'm not
the only one that's told you that.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No, You're not the only one that's told me that.
But the Baltimore people are tricky baby, have your fun
and leave them there.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh, trust I'm becking at last with the smoke in
front of my grips.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
We do you know? You know that Mario from Baltimore?
He fine? Are he fine? You know?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I have to watch you, I say, because you again,
They'll start digging into me like, oh gosh, you over there?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
What just said somebody's attractive?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, you gotta watch that?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
No, we can't have I have to watch that, I do.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So what whole silence is ts medicine? Girl?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Listen because I know that I'm gonna clap back, So
I just I just don't say it because I know
I'm gonna get in the ring. But if you if
there are men that I think that are fine there?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Who else is fine? Who's gonna find is that? Errand people?
He that?
Speaker 5 (44:01):
What did you say about my brother? He's with Tay Taylor,
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He's still attractive. We're gonna fight over that.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
But you gotta be careful with these girls.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I want that girl. Man, we just found out. I
won't even know that together. I'm talking about Mofossa. It's
my favorite movie.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
What did you do to my brother? I always wanted
all look at the dick on that brother. I want
to ride on that, brother, I do.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm ready being that you've been celibate for a year.
How do you get through it? I can't be celibate
for no, Yes, I can. I've I think when there's
something that you want from the universe, you have to
make a sacrifice for it, and you can go through
if you really in tune with yourself, you can really
(44:57):
like say, okay, this is it. I ain't doing that. Yeah,
I went a whole year without sucking dig.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
That was a hard fast for you, huh because I
like meat? Yeah, we all like me, Yes and so.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
But something came from that though it did was what show?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh you gotta give the gid? Yeah, not inside and
get fucked. That's no, I got it. I got it.
So do you like it and your celibacy? What are
you not?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
You say it's totally nothing?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Do you watch porn?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Not while I'm sellibate. I'm not a square. What type
of porn have you enjoyed? I enjoy all porn.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Oh, there's one last question? Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
No, No, there's one last question tamorrow to ask you
that I've never asked you in all of our friendship.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
How did you get so? Are you hungry? I'm always hungry,
only eat on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
How did you get so close to the libiquit a
community that's.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
The lb gt Q. I, oh, you didn't know this, Okay,
So fourth grade, I was sitting next to this guy.
I think his name was Alex and he was different,
but I didn't know at the time that he was
lgbt Q and we that was my dog, you hear me.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We failed my marine biology together, so he was not.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He was not deep diving.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
We was note we was not interested.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
No, and we went kiki all day while the teacher
she could not stand us. But we were cracking jokes,
talking and he taught me how to diet. He did
he would bring green.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Peppers for lunch. I thought he was amazing, and so
that's what fuelled your Yeah, it was very natural and
ever since then, you know, my click, you've been a
fruit fly. I've been a fruit fly fly.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
What is the worst thing that someone has called you
with being associated with the girls.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That that kind of stung?
Speaker 5 (47:39):
I don't think I had anything, because mine is. I
think that you can tell when people are doing it
to be down with the girls. But mine has been
one hundred percent authentic, you know what I mean. My
whole staff is LGBTQ. You know, like my friends are LGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Like you know what I mean. It's real, it's my
real life. So would you say that you would you
be a queer queer person?
Speaker 5 (48:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
No, no, No, I mean like, like, would I be queer?
Speaker 5 (48:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I tried, No, that doesn't work. I'm not attracted to women.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I mean, God, can y'all help me in the in
the my girls in the back back there, And you
know the question I'm trying to ask.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
No, I don't would I be a queer person because
queer doesn't necessarily mean sex?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yes, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Like?
Speaker 1 (48:36):
No, Like, was she like because she's so she's not
just adjacent because she she's.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
So in it?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yes, So it's like not so because because queer necessarily
does not have anything to do with intercourse. So what
is the word that I'm trying to say, girl? Because
y'all know I don't know all the term not just
an ally she's one of the girls. So yes, I
(49:09):
mean because it's it's very much so deeper, it's deeper
than her just being like because they're people who are like, oh,
I'm friends with gay people or trains people whatever. But
then there are people that are like they're one of
the girls.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Bag like one of the girls. Like I didn't call
that all my life.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Like like if we out together, if we're out together,
she's getting clocked.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
We all getting clocked. Girl, it's like that the TSS school,
she's like girl and.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Training. Bit.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, that's what you know, That's what I'm trying to
because I don't I don't know how to put it
in words, because I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Like when I be butcher, no, what you mean when
I have a quick when I be queer. Queer is
not sex. It doesn't mean you mean it means, God,
what the fuck? I'm a part of the family.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, but it's just not you haven't because I not
you having an attraction to a one man or being
same sex.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Going through all the things that we go through as
queer people going through, you know, Like I had another
guess on the show that I don't want to say
it right now, and they identify they're there're they're straight,
but they they've.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Had so much queer experience her. They don't being spooked
as what as the girls back there?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Help me?
Speaker 5 (50:41):
We don't know what the fuck you talking about, Doug,
But you know what I mean, So y'all break it
down to me, because I want to know.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
She identifies as what like you, you're a you're.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
A female, you're a biological woman.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, but I'm a power bottom me too, I mean
yeah like that, like yeah, I get the same ship though.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, like that, like being like being being so closely
adjacent that you fall in the rabbit hole of funny
when they're hunting the girls, they're gonna get her too.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
They're gonna gather her up too, because it's like, you know,
we used to.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Call them in Florida what punks with pussies. Yeah, that's
me right, that's I'm from Florida. We used to call
the girls. That's so that's so down because we get
a lot of people who say, oh, I'm friends with
the girl, our little girl. No, bit's that's your life. Yeah,
your surroundings, your workings, you're into workings, your business, you're
(51:51):
did like it's.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
The girl so a person to be like, well, there
one of the girls ben since the fourth grade.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
But that's what I mean about being queer, because queer
it is not. It's because I'm Trands. But my identity
is heterosexual. I told you so yourself. It's heterosexual, trands sexual.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Okay, so what's mine?
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You are heterosexual?
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Power bout them, queer.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Biological woman, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
This has been the Outlaws Podcast with Turnine Braxtent Distress.
Since I love you, I love you, I love you.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I love coming to And this is the new job
I haven't I haven't been.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Over here to listener. You know, I keep multiple jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I want to say this before we walk out of here,
because this is important. Thank you for sharing your private
experiences that you've had with me publicly. Yeah, because again
I get tired of them with the narrative that I
don't like black women.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
It's so crazy to me. Y'all stop saying that. Y'all
find something else to say.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's like when you when you and I didn't do
it for you to affirm because I didn't even know
you were going to affirm. Oh I'm gonna like because
which when I fucked with you, that's what we does
it And when those jobs came down the pipeline for me.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
You call a black bitch, yes, yeah, a black woman. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
When those jobs came down that pipeline for me, I
was like, girl, it's good times too, baby. We made
an wait a minute, what's that beeping?
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Another check?
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Oh maybe we made a nasty piece of money, but
I didn't. I went home after you told me what
it did for you. Oh yeah, later on that day
and I told my mommy, I said, Mommy, and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I was a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
I got, you know, don't let these don't let it
fool y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Got a soft side.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
I felt so like, I thank God that he allowed
a blessing to come for me, to come, for you
and your family.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
It was a big blessing. And to know that.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
It was during the time with your sister and all
that stuff, that's probably what the emotion was. Just earlier
that your sister.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Was in here saying thank you, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Because I loved Jose I love you too.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
I love your Yeah. Tracy, Ladies and gentlemen, this has
been the Outlaws podcast with We had Vaka that morning.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
You know, Tracy loved like love what's she called a
breakfast hottail girl. I think I might have one myself.
I'm gonna have a Tracy Day today. Yeah, I'm gonna
do things all Tracy Day. You have vodka back in
(55:04):
the morning, Get you a man Tonight.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment. Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host Tias Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krinicch and our producers are
(55:29):
Joey pat and Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just Crimechic. Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producers.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Assistant Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Montina. Not Got You
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