October 28, 2025 • 40 mins
The Blue Wall King meets the U·biq·ui·tous Queen! Today on “Outlaws,” TS Madison sits down with Terrell Grice—creator and host of the hit YouTube series "The Terrell Show," now in its seventh season featuring icons like Keke Palmer, Chloe Bailey, The Clark Sisters, Tia Mowry, Michelle Williams, Cynthia Erivo, Kelly Clarkson, and Coco Jones. Guests on his show are expected to sing *down*—but Terrell might just make an exception for Maddie to stop by and shake the table. (And okay, listen... if you caught her "Little Shop" audition to play Audrey II in our Wayne Brady episode, you already know Maddie can do it all.)
Terrell tells Maddie how his unexpected path from reality-TV producer to YouTube creator led to one of the internet’s most beloved music talk shows—now boasting over 1.4 million subscribers and counting.
Once the BuzzBalls start flowing (yes, in actual glasses), the conversation turns into a lively deep dive into their favorite vocalists, Brandy nostalgia, Whitney Houston devotion, and a debate comparing the R&B queens of the ’80s and ’90s to today’s generation of artists.
Both Madison and Terrell grew up in the church, and they open up about how queerness reshaped their families’ faith and expanded their understanding of love. Terrell reflects on his so-called “Villain Era”—giving his mom the space to grieve the future she once imagined and finding their way back to each other. Together, he and Madison unpack the similarities and differences between coming out as gay vs. trans, the tension of wanting to preserve family relationships if you can (while still appreciating the power found in creating a 'chosen family'), and the joyful moments that follow the hard conversations and make it all worth it—like watching your Apostolic grandmother live her BEST life at the Caesars Palace slot machines at 3AM.
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out,
don't wait, don't win twenty two inches b b b
d b d bed bum yourself? Is that up? Get
a job? Oh? Ricking honey?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Rick holdmore?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
He he chasing it all.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Sbout Living.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's color easy, This is Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But cheers medicine. Is it on? Honey? Is it on?
Is it they recording? What's some? YouTube? Land? Twitter, Land, Instagram, land, Snapchat,
ground of scruff, b GC jack, Facebook, Periscope, and last
but not least, every single one of my bitches carshun
mingle and the lands all across and that this is
(00:58):
your gro tears medicine and I'm coming to you loud,
live and all least forever in color from the Outlaws
podcast with none other than me. Who else you thought
it was gonna be? Be it?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She ain't nobody but me. Listen, y'all know the Outlaws brings.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
On the worlds, the blue rules, and they I am
sitting here with YouTube, Internet music, all the things royalty
over here. God, I listen you say that well, because
I say that because I've been watching you and I
(01:36):
used to be mad, like why he never misses me
to be on no way, No, we're not about to
do this now. Why you be on his show? But
never know you to be a blowdown singer? Had a second,
but I could come on there alea, Okay, promise you
next season live on this blue all the time you
(01:57):
stood by me. Oh God, I am in music, Yes
you are, okay, and not just in it baby. Okay
you on some song with the queens. Yes, ladies and gentlemen.
Put your hands together. How you say your last name?
Put you out, make sure you put there to put
(02:17):
your hands together for my esteem guests to real grice. Yes,
oh my god, your intro is everything.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well here's the thing that my intro might be everything,
but yours is gonna be even better.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Period.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well because here on our.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Show we have a segment called talk your Ship. That okay,
So I don't want no humility, Okay, I don't want
no mindy. Let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I don't want you to be over here like you
know I'm post. I mean, I really don't come here
with none of that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Sh I need you to come here and mirror reflect me,
because you know, bitch, I'm humble until the bitch made
me stop if they make me start their alcolaate, okayn,
as you should, and so because of those things, the
situations right now, I want you to mirror it. So
it's the episode. The segment of our show is called
(03:05):
talker Ship. It's time for you to talk your ship.
Who are you? What do you do? What are you
proud of? This is your time to shine, So don't
hold back. You have five minutes to say five minutes. Yes,
I want you to basket who you are. And if
we don't want no humanity, can you give me sit
up strengthen let me get it together. My name is
Terrell Grisse. In here, my name is Terrell Grist.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I have the best show on any digital platform except yours.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, no, no, you can say that you do.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's the modest part. I have the best show any
digital platform. It's called the Terrell Show. You might know
it as the Blue Wall, where we bring on the
best and only the best entertainers with the specificity in vocals.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
If you can sing down, you can sit next to me.
If you cannot sing down, well that's why I ain't
sat there. But see she's gonna add lib Okay, you're
gonna be fine. The show is in its seven season
in Okay, we don't say that lightly. Seven seasons. In
the last six years, we have seen legends from the
(04:06):
Clark Sisters, from from the Destiny's Children, from even you know.
We got Torri, Kelly we Spanning, we got Kelly Clarkson.
There's no genre, there's no box. On The Terrell Show.
We don't even just sing. We get into the story.
We made people human. It's not just about the celebrity
(04:27):
of it all. Okay, we're real people. They're real people,
and we share stories and only on The Tuell Show,
whill you get the real tea on who these people are.
I have millions of subscribers, followers, viewers over the years,
and I've been NAACP nominated. Okay, this is I'm talking
about shit. This is okay, and we are almost in
(04:51):
our three hundredth episode of the show. I also launched
a spin off with a Grammy Award winning or. Their
name is Coco Jones, just called T and Coco. That's
My best Friend. That show has also been quite a
cult classic. I launched another spinoff called can I Cuss
Up Here? Off like a Motherfucker? The game is called
(05:13):
I Know you're fucking lying. That game was first played
with I want to say, Kelly Rowland. I want to
say I could be lying. That game created a spinoff
that is now a product that you can buy. It's
minisolda out four times, my goodness. It created another series
called the I Know You're Fucking Lie The Game Show,
which that show is about to be in its second season.
(05:36):
I also released an album, two albums, one of them
just got a feature on Drake and Party next Door's
latest album, Okay, give me a hook Give me a Hooky,
and we just go viral all the time. Yes you do, yeah, yes,
And that's why, that's why, that's why me, as the
(05:57):
viral queen, was mad than a motherfucker. I can't say,
but god damn it, I can come over there and
tell you just so good.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I can tell you battle to real. I'm so proud
of you.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm like, like.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So proud, and it's been an interesting journey bags because
the way, and thank you for making me do that,
because I am not known to do that. Like everybody
who knows me, they're watching that segment just now and
they're like, oh my god, who is that last to
hear we do that that I love because the show
is weird, like I'm from the South, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
From the country. I grew up extreme Christian household, and
and to be able to have a show in which
my gay black ass can have the likes of Kelly,
sorry not Kelly, the Clark Sisters and all these gospel
singers all the way to some thow that ass back
top of singers and everything in between, I'd be like,
(06:55):
I do that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It's really about a grace of God, honestly, because it's
not a show that shit exists.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't come Nobody in my family is famous. I
didn't have famous friends.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I just always loved music, and I loved it so authentically,
and it's just been part of my life story.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And all I wanted to do was share my playlist
with the world. And then the people on my playlist
started coming to my house to do episodes, and I'm like, oh,
you're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Stay in my computer and in my Spotify. How are
you here? And then one thing leads to another and
I'm sitting here with you and you're legend, the doll,
the Doll's the dog. Listen to me, your life mimics mind,
like all the people that I'm socially connected to, like
and all this stuff, like.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Even all the way up even all the way up.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay to the Queen Mother, up to the Queen Mother,
even all the way up to be It's like, bitch,
you you did that. You did that. You just did
it because you got on the internet. He was like,
let me tell you about this, gud, let me tell
you about my day.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
By being what yourselically yourself, beating all the odds because
the thing that they want you to be was acceptable, permissable, comfortable,
those things.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, when you do that, it'll work for you, but
nobody will pay attention. Well they'll pay attention, but there
you want you you've lost yourself because it's just like
you're in this space where like you're you're a caricature.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I'm not gonna be no motherfucking caricature.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm gonna be the ts If.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You just blend in, I already got If you're trying
to her to be somebody else, I already got the original.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, so what you're gonna get? Yeah, I'm good, Okay,
I'm good over here. I don't want the bootleg that
I want you. And so this is why it's so
important when people be like you a cloud chaser, I'm like, no, bitch,
the cloud chases me. I don't chase cloud beach, the
(08:57):
cloud chase me.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yes, are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
All the bitch listen? I could. I could spit across
the room and say, bitch, go catch that end of
the go violle for me doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you're right because we only have one you, and
we need you to continue to you know, speak your
truth and speak it from your experience.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We don't have to agree with everything.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I actually don't want to because if we think the
same about everything and react the same about everything.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, we may not agree on everything, but you
can understand why I'm coming where you're coming from exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's what I'm trying to say, is like I want
to hear your perspective because the.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
People be like, well, I don't like what she said. No,
you you may not like what she said, but you
you know what she's talking right exactly. I don't know.
I don't like what she said. I don't like the
way she said it. Okay, bitch, Sometimes you don't like
the medicine Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Sometimes it's nasty, but you want to get better, okay,
if you want to be well.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You may not like the medicine, but bit you need it. Okay,
and I need that all the time. But you may
not like that. You may not be able to take that.
After you got up for the night before you got
to take that. Docy's prep. Okay, what's the stopping stop?
What's the nastiest medicine you ever? Is that? Bitch? I
got off one morning after a situation and I was like,
(10:11):
I even.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Story mind be my my grandmother, little you ever had
the remedies of home remany.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You my mama do that ship. It was that docor
put that almost took me.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Out nothing that I'm like, girl, baby that things in
the killing that baby.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Okay we kind laughing about this, and it was killing
that baby. Oh my god, like g the make up
making my tage of all that, gir what.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
The trade did what you did? Try? And they killing
that baby? Oh my god, doctor was taking that baby.
I must too much. It's too it's too he got
a big I had a big head the baby. Dad.
(11:12):
I just want you to know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That, like speaking of DOTSI prep girl, I'm gonna throw
something at you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
What's the next question of goddamnit? I gotta take this
mic and throw it. So you know, I told me
your origin story, your little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Like, how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Accidental? I didn't plan a lick of it. I used
to be behind the scenes, like I even went to
school for editing, Like I wanted to be behind a computer.
I don't want to be on that side of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What happened was I.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Fell into reality TV. I used to be reality TV producer.
So I worked on Chasing. Uh, I worked on Big
Brother and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh what she thought? I was about to head? You know?
What is chasing? What's that show?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Reality?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Reality? Was that? The one? Was that? The girl group one?
What show is that? It's on the YouTube?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Chasing Reality?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I never heard that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, it's good, it's a good show.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I never heard that. What is it? What you're gonna cut?
Got a buttle ball? Is all? It's crazy? Can we
get can we get to? It's a damn turkey?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeahh wait a minute, they got a herod and hold on,
it's probably you aren't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's okay, right, you get on my nerves. Okay, so
if I took the doxy preperence, you can you can
eat that little piece of hair, Okay, that little pizza,
Oh my god. Okay. So I started reality producing when
I was like twenty two. Like I was here for
a year and I just fell into that world.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And I was going from like Big Brother to Worst
Cooks in America, just finding people. My job was to
find people who wanted to be on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You adn't even called me. I did not know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I was so young and very green and just I
actually went like to the beach, to the boardwalk and
was just walking up cold to people, being like, Hi,
my name is trying to work for Fox, and I'm
doing this show. And that's kind of like how I
got my practice from even talking to strangers. I didn't
know I was gonna have a show on my own.
It's funny how that works out, just always walking purpose.
(13:16):
What I'm saying is that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
For my you gotta give me a ride. That's a
little too well, what kind of liquor is it? It's
a buzzball. I never had one. Listen, It's better than
shut up. The end of the day is you can
see that you can see that Disa Preyer traumatize me.
(13:38):
It did, because Baby, that next morning, I was, girl,
it's very it's very margarited it. It's like a margit
Margarita in a job period. Then I got tired of
doing it because reality.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
TV it's not real.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's not real, and it was my job to kind
of create things that weren't real, and I I just
felt like, it's not authentic, you know what I mean.
I was like, I I've learned a lot. I did
it for a couple of years. I was like, I've
been on all these sets. I see how this works.
How can I take this and make my own thing.
So one of the last shows I did was the
(14:14):
reboot of Showtime at the Apollo with Steve Harvey and
Adrian But I remember that that little Fox reboot on
LUs for one season that was.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay, we needed the original plan and they was trying
to modernize it. This was like twenty sixteen. It was
my last show that I did, and I had already
loved music by that point, but that was the first
show I got to do where I was surrounded by
music as my job, and I was like, oh, this
is what I need to be doing. I was like,
what if I started a talk show where I hired
(14:44):
a host to come and just talk about music by themselves,
no guests. I just want to find somebody. So, as
a casting producer, I started an entire like nationwide call
for a host to host a music talk show. Team
was so pissed at me because I rejected everybody. It's like,
(15:04):
not funny enough, don't know enough about this genre, not
cute enough. This is TV not radio, you know what
I mean. I was like, I just don't like anybody,
And they were so frustrated. They were like, how about
you get on the camera and you like show us,
like make an example video that we can sing to
the people auditioning so they can give us what we need.
I was like, okay, fine, hop on the camera. What's
up everybody, This is trel this is what we're talking
(15:26):
about today.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Da da da da.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And we decided to post that to YouTube. That video
got so many so much attention that we decided to
just do another one, and another one and another one.
And then I turned out to be the host of
the show that I was casting for, and that was
just me talking about myself.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, you had the vision. Yeah, you always had the vision.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And this we talk about this show off on this
show all the time about having the vision and really
taking a moment and really closing out, because sometimes you
need to close your eyes and sit in the dark
to really get the visual. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, I close them eyes of me, like, bitch, bitch, bitch,
it's me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's me. And I didn't want it to be me
the entire maybe first season or two.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I still even when I started to have guests, I
was like, Okay, one day, we're going to find the
right person to do it. It's now it sounds wild
to say it. The Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The Holy Spirit had been telling you, you know, because
anytime that it hits like those those mega views like that,
that's where you're supposed to be, right, You're supposed to
be there. You wasn't reading nobody, you weren't being shady
what you was just you sat there and was like, Hi, yeah,
this is what I love. Yeah, I love music of
all germas, and I think.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Just the knowledge, you know. I couldn't even listen to
R and B till I was like eleven or twelve.
I didn't know who whit in Houston was until I
was like eleven or twelve. Okay, I know my look
at you, looking at my parents, you should be okay.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Were they Christian?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay? Yeah, okay, So we're gonna get into that. Oh
my god, we're we're gonna get into it. I was
locked down. If it wasn't Shirley Caesar, oh or some
heze Konia Walker. If it wasn't that. If it wasn't,
we clap our hands in this, ain't you every I
did not know it?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So you're koji very close Apostolic? Oh okay, you know
there's system very much jeans, skirts, no makeup. It was
against the bylaws of my childhood church to have any piercings,
wear makeup, extravagant hair.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
H what is it called? Skirts above the knee? Anything
above the knee? So let me slide in real quickly.
Do you know how to play sad? Of course? Gosh,
first thing I.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Think think I learned after the Book of the Bible.
You can't play SPADs? What what's happening?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Well? That was a sin. It was gambling.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh I did not learn at home. I learned at
the school. Okay, yeah, this school, of course, gambling down
and it's funny. Okay, Grandma, I'm a poppy for a
little bit because.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
This is actually terrible, but it's real.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Once my grandfather past away, and this is not morbid, Okay,
this is just funny because you know, he's a patriarchical
He's like my grandma started buying a lottery ticket. She
started little, she started to get a little more adventurous.
I was like, oh that's what it was, Okay, Now
with free l O l l o, everything just started
to change.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Said, oh, Grandma, what's that you got on? You got
a little you come, you got a little white man?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What's that blood?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What man? Is that lipship? You know? Try? I felt
like I've never seen Vegas before? Grandma? Are you ready today?
I took I took her to Vegas. But she got
down to that slap. My not this apostolic? Why I
got down to that slap? She and the whole had
a the Holy Spirit had blessed up with a winning
(18:57):
numb Okay, couldn't stay off of the actual brilliant where's
my grandma baby? Down the winning at.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
The damn could see no down down there winning winning Okay,
I can't wait to go back. Oh I can't wait
to go back anyway, that was the tangent, But yeah,
it was the knowledge of I started to study a lot.
Like Brandy and like Joe were some of the first
R and B artists or secular artists in general that
I heard from school.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'm like, who is that?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
She sounds like somebody I'm used to listen to at church,
but she's doing it a little different.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
She's talking about some things, Brandy Brandy, Yeah, yeah, that's
my girl. So she's very you know, she's from the church.
So when I heard her voice and how she's saying,
it was like, that sounds familiar, but what is that?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I went on a deep dip. I want to
know everything about R and B. And that's how today,
like I just have this.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
This is so I know that. I know you saw
that video of me doing that hall of Course, and
it went viral and you know, Brandy's daughter head came
up and it was like, girwl, get up off my mama,
you bitch. You know, So you know how I feel
about the vocal. You know, if you know me, you
know I love There's only one that I love, and
(20:16):
that's Whitney. Elizabeth Hughes yes, I mean you know iPrint girl,
I scraped, I will do like, oh yeah, don't you?
I mean I have everyone of her albums on vinyl.
First of all, she is even I look to you
the album in two thousand nine and the last one.
(20:36):
I do even that one. You just sees me take
a I do. I know what that is? It good
for you or no?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm gonna support Whitney to the end.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah I am. Yeah, I love that album. You know
why I love the for real? Her vocal texture had
changed completely completely. The agility was there, but the strength
obviously wasn't. But the way I could still hear the
natural talent of her, Yes, came.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
In at all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Okay, came in in the corner looking for it, saving
in my face.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh it was there, but I was like, you didn't
have to do it either, But because she knew it
was different.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Come on, rock with me, but rock with me. Million
dollar Bill is a good song. I look to you
as a statement that A million dollar Bill was written
by Alicia Keys.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And if you listen very close, you can hear her.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
She's probably, Oh no, she's not probably, she's definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
If you listen very see.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I may not be a singer, but here ah okay, yeah,
when you listen to that, listen very close, it's probably
a little blend. Yeah, you're right, Alicia, go back and
get into that. Oh yes, just staying. But you know
all the girls do that, and well she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No, Whitney didn't need that, she.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Never needed it, but she needed change today. There's a
lot of i'd be in these studios. I'm like, oh,
that's a nice little trick.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And you know, R Kelly wrote I look to you
he did, and the way she sang.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It, I hear R Kelly as I lay it down,
Ye hear me. Now I'm so.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, after giving it my own, Yeah, she did it
exactly like he probably sang the demo. Yes, but you know,
I Whitney is quite a story, like even for what it's,
you know, the ups and the downs of it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Giry, I actually liked her down you I mean what
you mean by like entertaining?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yes, I love it. Remember to beat the Brown and
the course the reality show was insane me what it was?
She said, it works, it works, it works for me.
That and when they was outside in the.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Woosh, she said, Bobby, take me around this bush.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Over there, quivering for Bobby. I mean, I actually like her.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
What was the album that came out around that time?
It's not right, but it's okay. I think that was
around that time. I like them songs too. I was like,
she definitely ain't the same, but.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's okay. I'm sorry. I like the whole thing. Me
and she said, me and Bobby about to go around
here and make her baby. I was like, it's like,
you know, I'm not doing this with you today and
all that ship. So who are your girls today? Though?
(23:49):
You got to? Don't do it?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
NI, give me, give me a contemporary artist besides b
that you love that she can be like. I can
see you're you're going to be kind of like we need?
Is that kind of to us?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Now? In twenty years you're going to be to the
next generation. This is terrible. See this what I'm gonna
do on your show because you're gonna ask me and
I'm just don't look okay, but you ain't got one.
There's so many. Okay to me, these girls are sounding
the same. Why do you think that is because the
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music industry is telling them that they need this all
sound like they need to have this tone. Now I'm
finna say something terrible when the people be saying it
like nausea, queen, nasea, sizza.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Some I don't know who different.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I'm like, who is that? Which one is it? Which
one is I think there those three are very distinctive
to me. They're not you know why. It's like it's
not as u.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Literally, in the eighties and nineties, the vocalist sounded more
separate because there was a yearning for individuality. It's different now.
It's more of a yearning for a sound, chasing a
specific sound. Back then it was chasing a story. I
want to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hopefully. You know, music is trends and they always repeat them.
Music is trends, trend.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, but I guess we can make it work.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We can figure that out.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Okay, that's a through line, know somewhere, and the trends
repeat them, repeat themselves. So I hope one day that
it'll be more story focused.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But right now, no, you're you know, we knew Brandy,
we knew who, we knew who Brand, We knew when
Brandon was saying, we knew when Monica was saying, we
knew when Aleah was singing, we knew when that trinity
was that.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But that's why there are certain artists today that when
you hear them, you know exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, like a Beyonce Cissor.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Is very distinctive. You might not like you might you okay,
but she is distinctive. Don't nobody sound like her?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Speak of her? Of her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
She's good? You know, like her, Yeah, but it's I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
She's distinctive. I know when I'm listening to her. I
know when her starts singing that that's her.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Pick something else.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You about to get us all, no, because you defended,
because you know I.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Am, because because there are some where I'm like, I
actually can't tell. But there's a lot of people like
I know exactly when Calne is singing. I know exactly
when Coco Jones is singing, you know what I mean.
But there are some people in other tears.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Where I'm like, actually, I thought this was somebody else's song.
And that's my bad. That's my bad. I can't name
it a one right now, I don't know. Let's get
into your villain era. You know, every outlaw gets labeled
a villain at some point often when we're just trying
to live our truth and do our best. Your villain
era could be a time you stop people pleasing, a
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time you stood up for yourself. Maybe you made a mistake,
maybe you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe
the world just simply wasn't ready for you. What was
your villain era and what did you learn from it?
I think I'm still waiting on mine.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh, you ain't got into it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You think I got into this might be in today. Actually,
you know, the closest I probably came to it. Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know, I had a I had a conversation with
someone about uh coming out and how layered it can be.
When I came out, it wasn't good, my my me
and my mom. Wow, words were said. I was called
some names and at the time, you know, I mean,
you know I talked you about the background, right, but
(27:43):
I actually said that it took me some time to
realize that although there's no excuses to be made for
react in that way, I was crushing her dream.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
She had when she had me. She had a plan.
I think all parents do.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
They have a plan for their kid, and they almost
paint their future before the kid has a chance to
have their own experiences, and I had to let her grieve.
I had to let her feel that and let her react,
even though it was, you know, not great for me,
not excusing it, not make not making it seem like,
you know, they should have a right to say those things,
(28:23):
but having some understanding about the why you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Now see here we go, No, because I'm gonna ask
the question, how long is that moment?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
How long is that moment? Is a very good question.
I don't think it should ever become like a norm
like you are like, you know, like that's how mom is.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I don't like. I don't like statements like that that's
dad or that's grandma. No no, no, no no no.
If she never come at the cost and expense of
your own sanity and your own mental health. But uh,
when my mom and I had the conversation to make
up for that, and she was talking to me about
why she reacted that way, I was like, you know what,
I actually do understand.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I think sometimes it's about understanding. I agreeing, But just
like when you were saying earlier, like you might not agree, but.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Understand me, I was like I had to understand and
and with that we had real conversations about Mom. This
is why, this is when I snuck. I snuck out
because I knew you. I was protecting you. You know
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I was wrong too, but I made that decision because
so it was about Okay, I'm wrong, but because I'm wrong,
but this is why I did it, and now we
can forgive and forward. Yeah, and that conversation my mom
and our best friends now.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But I had to at least bring my emotions down
enough of being upset with what she said and just
being like, no, why did you say that? And can
we not do it again? Because you want to listen,
because you want to have that as a as a
queer person, you want to have It's great to navigate
this life with your blood. We know we can choose
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our family, right, we can choose our family. It's great
to have a great chosen family. But it's great to
navigate this life with our blood. Right, been there? Yes,
we want no matter what anybody says, we want to
make them proud. We want to get on stages and
thank them and we want it. We want to be
a part of their journey as well. So if you're interested,
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now I'm not saying everybody should take this approach if
you're interested in preserving a relationship, because some of them
don't need to be preserved. I had an interest. I'm like,
I genially don't believe that this is my mother. I
think this is a reaction to the unknown.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
She doesn't know anything, So let me sit down and
be like, let me educate you for real, real, because
I was in the closet.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I never talked to her about it before. She doesn't
have any gay friends, so I'm like, I actually have
to try to educate and also try to close this.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Open this, let her get it out, get it out,
and then I'm gonna check you like a motherfucker. But
let me try to understand, because I do see how
this may be devastating to what you saw for me,
you know that's all it was.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna but I get it. I'm gonna
spound a little bit on that sound you remain in
this form. I didn't, and so my mother had to
mourn the loss of her son. I think it's it's
it's this, it's it runs on the same way. But
then it's just like, all right, I'm mourning that I
thought I was gonna have grandkeeys, and out of the
(31:25):
now I'm mourning that now I have a daughter, my
son is dead. How did you navigate that? Still it's growing, No,
my mom and my mom is good, Judy, but it's
like it was very much. So it's either y'all gonna
fuck with me or I ain't coming back here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I had made up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That this is it.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, sometimes I'm saying sometimes it's it needs to be that,
you know. And I also I see all the time
people are like still hide themselves because their relationship with
their parents it's just more important than anything.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And that's that's okay, that's what makes it work for them.
But I would be more like you, like if that
competition did not go out with my mom, Oh, I can't.
This is my life now.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I see God by myself.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, it's gonna be me and him at the end
of the day. But what ended up happened was I
got silicon poison. Then I got sick and I had
to come home, and my mother came and saw me
sick in the bed.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Jesus like that was it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
She's like, oh my god, that'd be we have a
similar story after I came out. I came out on
Christmas twenty eighteen or whatever it was, and my father
tragically was killed in a motorcycle accident three months later,
so we didn't talk for three months, and then I
had to go back home for the funeral. And that's
the first time I had seen her in the church
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with my dad in the box up at the front,
and I had never been more emotional or hysterical in
my life. I said, in a screaming tone, that could
have been me or you up there. And the last
thing that we would have remembered was Terrell is gonna
have a husband to the wife. It's ridiculous. So it's those.
(33:10):
It's those.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Sometimes it takes tragedy, tragedy to step in and be like,
what is the perspective here? This is a ridiculous and
silly argument, and then we have the conversations and then
there you are, and then we are.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It shouldn't take that much tragedy, but sometimes it does.
So we'll take what we can get.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But but we're tired of taking all of that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Bush get ready to say, and this is why we
as queer people who are in the media, who are
in the occupy large spaces. You know, we we try
to you know, live out loud and then show our
parents or have our parents like, hey, this was rocky
at first, but you can't get there. You can get there,
you can't and once you get there, it's so much better.
(33:53):
I mean, my mom too was in Vegas with us,
my whole family. I took my whole old family from
North Carolina and brought them to Vegas. And you can't
have moments like that if you're worried about who's sleeping
with It is like girl, I mean, and there's yeah,
it's like gird this is my booty. Come on, what
(34:13):
you did with your Okay, allow the Lord to judge
me for mine and give me my doxy pep if
I need it.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Shut up and to shut out to my mama. Okay,
that's mine to die.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What's up? Terrell?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Listen? I love you. I know that we moved quick.
You know, there was one last little part that I
want us to get. We gotta do banda Bitch with Terrell.
There's one last little part of one get. There's a
there's a part of our show. It's called bandon Bitch Okay,
bitch ban it now. This is my favorite part of
(34:55):
the sixth part of the show. Some people out here
are banning drag shows. It'll be gt Q plus books
and even our very existence. But we're flipping the script today.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world.
Here's how it works. We each get a minute to
make our case for what needs to go. The producers
will keep track of the time. Let me kick it
(35:15):
off to.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Show you how it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yes, please, I can't wait. My name is T. S.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Madison and if I ran the world, I would ban spades.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh shit, I don't know how to play No damn space, girl.
I didn't learn how to play because as growing up girl,
we was Christian. We couldn't play cards, we couldn't play nothing. Girl,
you was going to hell. Maybe you shouldn't banned the
stigma around, the stigma around when you're a Christians praise
(35:49):
let me not be asfrade. I would band the stigma
when you when you're Christian in the house like everything
ain't a fucking saying like Greg, you have interpreted that boy,
I'm all wrong. Girl. I would bear y'all taking that Bible,
dissecting it to make it y'all the way y'all cherry
pick that ship and make it work for you. I
(36:10):
want a band, y'all reading that Bible and then picking
out ship and making it work for you, miss thing, honey,
And then when I do it, when I do it,
it's wrong. I'm going y'all could go down there and
eat all that shell fish, which is all up in
that Bible, all up and through is abomination motai pattern
what do you call it? Fabrics in the club that
(36:31):
y'all can do all that and I can't sleep with
no man. Take doxy preup girl them out of here.
I cannot top that sort of God, Oh my god,
that's so good. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I've never thought about this question. All of mine is
probably silly. Can I'm gonna give a very straight answer.
You got a band, okay, do it in the dummer,
you know, doing the music?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
What would you do? Music? Okay?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Get music means Musicum, okay, I got it. My name
is My name is Terrelle. And if I ran the world,
I would ban any song that is less than two
minutes and forty five seconds. Okay, I can't get into it.
There's not enough time in the song.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
By the time I'm understanding the context of what the
fuck you're singing about. By the time I get into
the good harmony to the good beat, it's fading out.
The song is gone. There's no bridge, there is no
there is no yes and to the story. The songs
are too short. Okay, the songs are too short. I
(37:38):
can't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I need story, okay, to get me through two minutes
forty five seconds or less.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I don't want it, ban it, get rid of it.
So that means what I'm not gonna get you in trouble,
Ladies and gentlemen. This is to real grice. Wait, unless
it's an interlude, Well, I want a long interlude, Okay,
a long interdew is fine.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
If it's a full song, okay. If it's a fullse
it's gotta be full. If it's not a full song,
it's meant to be short, then it's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But I got to face.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Oh what song is up? Faith? You remember that was
her interlude on what album? The Face first album. Well,
if it's an interlude, it's fine. It's about full songs.
If you want to just talk to me a little bit,
you want to have a little moment to transition me.
Then you can take it. You can have it one
minute forty five spine, But don't come up here with
(38:31):
no full song and you're trying to rush me. Don't
rush me. Don't rush it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Don't rush me, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
This was an amazing I hope you guys learned everything
to tell them where they can find you, even though
they know. But yes, you can find me anywhere this
type in the Terrell Show on YouTube Instagram, where the
TikTok all the everything that Tas said in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I gotta get on those a platform those some good platforms.
You can't find me on, Jack, I'll be there soon.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Oh no, don't go down because I got off it.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I'm just kidding. I'm out on any day as I'm
terrified of them. I don't know what's there. I don't
know what's going on. Would you say, oh my god,
cut this gap? Where's my bye? Y'all boy? Oh so good.
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
(39:23):
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are
Joey pat and Cormon mol. Our video editor is Tyler
(39:44):
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just crimechicch Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producers
assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show
art is by Pablo Montanna.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Get Your Next Week, Week Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out,
don't wait, don't win twenty two inches b b b
d b d bed bum yourself? Is that up? Get
a job? Oh? Ricking honey?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Rick holdmore?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
He he chasing it all.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm black like that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Sbout Living.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's color easy, This is Outlaws.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
But cheers medicine. Is it on? Honey? Is it on?
Is it they recording? What's some? YouTube? Land? Twitter, Land, Instagram, land, Snapchat,
ground of scruff, b GC jack, Facebook, Periscope, and last
but not least, every single one of my bitches carshun
mingle and the lands all across and that this is
(00:58):
your gro tears medicine and I'm coming to you loud,
live and all least forever in color from the Outlaws
podcast with none other than me. Who else you thought
it was gonna be? Be it?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
She ain't nobody but me. Listen, y'all know the Outlaws brings.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
On the worlds, the blue rules, and they I am
sitting here with YouTube, Internet music, all the things royalty
over here. God, I listen you say that well, because
I say that because I've been watching you and I
(01:36):
used to be mad, like why he never misses me
to be on no way, No, we're not about to
do this now. Why you be on his show? But
never know you to be a blowdown singer? Had a second,
but I could come on there alea, Okay, promise you
next season live on this blue all the time you
(01:57):
stood by me. Oh God, I am in music, Yes
you are, okay, and not just in it baby. Okay
you on some song with the queens. Yes, ladies and gentlemen.
Put your hands together. How you say your last name?
Put you out, make sure you put there to put
(02:17):
your hands together for my esteem guests to real grice. Yes,
oh my god, your intro is everything.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well here's the thing that my intro might be everything,
but yours is gonna be even better.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Period.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well because here on our.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Show we have a segment called talk your Ship. That okay,
So I don't want no humility, Okay, I don't want
no mindy. Let's go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I don't want you to be over here like you
know I'm post. I mean, I really don't come here
with none of that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Sh I need you to come here and mirror reflect me,
because you know, bitch, I'm humble until the bitch made
me stop if they make me start their alcolaate, okayn,
as you should, and so because of those things, the
situations right now, I want you to mirror it. So
it's the episode. The segment of our show is called
(03:05):
talker Ship. It's time for you to talk your ship.
Who are you? What do you do? What are you
proud of? This is your time to shine, So don't
hold back. You have five minutes to say five minutes. Yes,
I want you to basket who you are. And if
we don't want no humanity, can you give me sit
up strengthen let me get it together. My name is
Terrell Grisse. In here, my name is Terrell Grist.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I have the best show on any digital platform except yours.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, no, no, you can say that you do.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's the modest part. I have the best show any
digital platform. It's called the Terrell Show. You might know
it as the Blue Wall, where we bring on the
best and only the best entertainers with the specificity in vocals.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
If you can sing down, you can sit next to me.
If you cannot sing down, well that's why I ain't
sat there. But see she's gonna add lib Okay, you're
gonna be fine. The show is in its seven season
in Okay, we don't say that lightly. Seven seasons. In
the last six years, we have seen legends from the
(04:06):
Clark Sisters, from from the Destiny's Children, from even you know.
We got Torri, Kelly we Spanning, we got Kelly Clarkson.
There's no genre, there's no box. On The Terrell Show.
We don't even just sing. We get into the story.
We made people human. It's not just about the celebrity
(04:27):
of it all. Okay, we're real people. They're real people,
and we share stories and only on The Tuell Show,
whill you get the real tea on who these people are.
I have millions of subscribers, followers, viewers over the years,
and I've been NAACP nominated. Okay, this is I'm talking
about shit. This is okay, and we are almost in
(04:51):
our three hundredth episode of the show. I also launched
a spin off with a Grammy Award winning or. Their
name is Coco Jones, just called T and Coco. That's
My best Friend. That show has also been quite a
cult classic. I launched another spinoff called can I Cuss
Up Here? Off like a Motherfucker? The game is called
(05:13):
I Know you're fucking lying. That game was first played
with I want to say, Kelly Rowland. I want to
say I could be lying. That game created a spinoff
that is now a product that you can buy. It's
minisolda out four times, my goodness. It created another series
called the I Know You're Fucking Lie The Game Show,
which that show is about to be in its second season.
(05:36):
I also released an album, two albums, one of them
just got a feature on Drake and Party next Door's
latest album, Okay, give me a hook Give me a Hooky,
and we just go viral all the time. Yes you do, yeah, yes,
And that's why, that's why, that's why me, as the
(05:57):
viral queen, was mad than a motherfucker. I can't say,
but god damn it, I can come over there and
tell you just so good.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I can tell you battle to real. I'm so proud
of you.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm like, like.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So proud, and it's been an interesting journey bags because
the way, and thank you for making me do that,
because I am not known to do that. Like everybody
who knows me, they're watching that segment just now and
they're like, oh my god, who is that last to
hear we do that that I love because the show
is weird, like I'm from the South, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
From the country. I grew up extreme Christian household, and
and to be able to have a show in which
my gay black ass can have the likes of Kelly,
sorry not Kelly, the Clark Sisters and all these gospel
singers all the way to some thow that ass back
top of singers and everything in between, I'd be like,
(06:55):
I do that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It's really about a grace of God, honestly, because it's
not a show that shit exists.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't come Nobody in my family is famous. I
didn't have famous friends.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I just always loved music, and I loved it so authentically,
and it's just been part of my life story.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And all I wanted to do was share my playlist
with the world. And then the people on my playlist
started coming to my house to do episodes, and I'm like, oh,
you're supposed to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Stay in my computer and in my Spotify. How are
you here? And then one thing leads to another and
I'm sitting here with you and you're legend, the doll,
the Doll's the dog. Listen to me, your life mimics mind,
like all the people that I'm socially connected to, like
and all this stuff, like.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Even all the way up even all the way up.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay to the Queen Mother, up to the Queen Mother,
even all the way up to be It's like, bitch,
you you did that. You did that. You just did
it because you got on the internet. He was like,
let me tell you about this, gud, let me tell
you about my day.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
By being what yourselically yourself, beating all the odds because
the thing that they want you to be was acceptable, permissable, comfortable,
those things.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, when you do that, it'll work for you, but
nobody will pay attention. Well they'll pay attention, but there
you want you you've lost yourself because it's just like
you're in this space where like you're you're a caricature.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I'm not gonna be no motherfucking caricature.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Bitch.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm gonna be the ts If.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You just blend in, I already got If you're trying
to her to be somebody else, I already got the original.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, so what you're gonna get? Yeah, I'm good, Okay,
I'm good over here. I don't want the bootleg that
I want you. And so this is why it's so
important when people be like you a cloud chaser, I'm like, no, bitch,
the cloud chases me. I don't chase cloud beach, the
(08:57):
cloud chase me.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yes, are you crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
All the bitch listen? I could. I could spit across
the room and say, bitch, go catch that end of
the go violle for me doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And you're right because we only have one you, and
we need you to continue to you know, speak your
truth and speak it from your experience.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We don't have to agree with everything.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I actually don't want to because if we think the
same about everything and react the same about everything.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean, we may not agree on everything, but you
can understand why I'm coming where you're coming from exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's what I'm trying to say, is like I want
to hear your perspective because the.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
People be like, well, I don't like what she said. No,
you you may not like what she said, but you
you know what she's talking right exactly. I don't know.
I don't like what she said. I don't like the
way she said it. Okay, bitch, Sometimes you don't like
the medicine Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Sometimes it's nasty, but you want to get better, okay,
if you want to be well.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You may not like the medicine, but bit you need it. Okay,
and I need that all the time. But you may
not like that. You may not be able to take that.
After you got up for the night before you got
to take that. Docy's prep. Okay, what's the stopping stop?
What's the nastiest medicine you ever? Is that? Bitch? I
got off one morning after a situation and I was like,
(10:11):
I even.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Story mind be my my grandmother, little you ever had
the remedies of home remany.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You my mama do that ship. It was that docor
put that almost took me.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Out nothing that I'm like, girl, baby that things in
the killing that baby.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Okay we kind laughing about this, and it was killing
that baby. Oh my god, like g the make up
making my tage of all that, gir what.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
The trade did what you did? Try? And they killing
that baby? Oh my god, doctor was taking that baby.
I must too much. It's too it's too he got
a big I had a big head the baby. Dad.
(11:12):
I just want you to know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That, like speaking of DOTSI prep girl, I'm gonna throw
something at you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
What's the next question of goddamnit? I gotta take this
mic and throw it. So you know, I told me
your origin story, your little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Like, how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Accidental? I didn't plan a lick of it. I used
to be behind the scenes, like I even went to
school for editing, Like I wanted to be behind a computer.
I don't want to be on that side of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What happened was I.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Fell into reality TV. I used to be reality TV producer.
So I worked on Chasing. Uh, I worked on Big
Brother and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh what she thought? I was about to head? You know?
What is chasing? What's that show?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Reality?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Reality? Was that? The one? Was that? The girl group one?
What show is that? It's on the YouTube?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Chasing Reality?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I never heard that.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, it's good, it's a good show.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I never heard that. What is it? What you're gonna cut?
Got a buttle ball? Is all? It's crazy? Can we
get can we get to? It's a damn turkey?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeahh wait a minute, they got a herod and hold on,
it's probably you aren't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's okay, right, you get on my nerves. Okay, so
if I took the doxy preperence, you can you can
eat that little piece of hair, Okay, that little pizza,
Oh my god. Okay. So I started reality producing when
I was like twenty two. Like I was here for
a year and I just fell into that world.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And I was going from like Big Brother to Worst
Cooks in America, just finding people. My job was to
find people who wanted to be on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You adn't even called me. I did not know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I was so young and very green and just I
actually went like to the beach, to the boardwalk and
was just walking up cold to people, being like, Hi,
my name is trying to work for Fox, and I'm
doing this show. And that's kind of like how I
got my practice from even talking to strangers. I didn't
know I was gonna have a show on my own.
It's funny how that works out, just always walking purpose.
(13:16):
What I'm saying is that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
For my you gotta give me a ride. That's a
little too well, what kind of liquor is it? It's
a buzzball. I never had one. Listen, It's better than
shut up. The end of the day is you can
see that you can see that Disa Preyer traumatize me.
(13:38):
It did, because Baby, that next morning, I was, girl,
it's very it's very margarited it. It's like a margit
Margarita in a job period. Then I got tired of
doing it because reality.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
TV it's not real.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's not real, and it was my job to kind
of create things that weren't real, and I I just
felt like, it's not authentic, you know what I mean.
I was like, I I've learned a lot. I did
it for a couple of years. I was like, I've
been on all these sets. I see how this works.
How can I take this and make my own thing.
So one of the last shows I did was the
(14:14):
reboot of Showtime at the Apollo with Steve Harvey and
Adrian But I remember that that little Fox reboot on
LUs for one season that was.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay, we needed the original plan and they was trying
to modernize it. This was like twenty sixteen. It was
my last show that I did, and I had already
loved music by that point, but that was the first
show I got to do where I was surrounded by
music as my job, and I was like, oh, this
is what I need to be doing. I was like,
what if I started a talk show where I hired
(14:44):
a host to come and just talk about music by themselves,
no guests. I just want to find somebody. So, as
a casting producer, I started an entire like nationwide call
for a host to host a music talk show. Team
was so pissed at me because I rejected everybody. It's like,
(15:04):
not funny enough, don't know enough about this genre, not
cute enough. This is TV not radio, you know what
I mean. I was like, I just don't like anybody,
And they were so frustrated. They were like, how about
you get on the camera and you like show us,
like make an example video that we can sing to
the people auditioning so they can give us what we need.
I was like, okay, fine, hop on the camera. What's
up everybody, This is trel this is what we're talking
(15:26):
about today.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Da da da da.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And we decided to post that to YouTube. That video
got so many so much attention that we decided to
just do another one, and another one and another one.
And then I turned out to be the host of
the show that I was casting for, and that was
just me talking about myself.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, you had the vision. Yeah, you always had the vision.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And this we talk about this show off on this
show all the time about having the vision and really
taking a moment and really closing out, because sometimes you
need to close your eyes and sit in the dark
to really get the visual. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, I close them eyes of me, like, bitch, bitch, bitch,
it's me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's me. And I didn't want it to be me
the entire maybe first season or two.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I still even when I started to have guests, I
was like, Okay, one day, we're going to find the
right person to do it. It's now it sounds wild
to say it. The Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The Holy Spirit had been telling you, you know, because
anytime that it hits like those those mega views like that,
that's where you're supposed to be, right, You're supposed to
be there. You wasn't reading nobody, you weren't being shady
what you was just you sat there and was like, Hi, yeah,
this is what I love. Yeah, I love music of
all germas, and I think.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Just the knowledge, you know. I couldn't even listen to
R and B till I was like eleven or twelve.
I didn't know who whit in Houston was until I
was like eleven or twelve. Okay, I know my look
at you, looking at my parents, you should be okay.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Were they Christian?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay? Yeah, okay, So we're gonna get into that. Oh
my god, we're we're gonna get into it. I was
locked down. If it wasn't Shirley Caesar, oh or some
heze Konia Walker. If it wasn't that. If it wasn't,
we clap our hands in this, ain't you every I
did not know it?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So you're koji very close Apostolic? Oh okay, you know
there's system very much jeans, skirts, no makeup. It was
against the bylaws of my childhood church to have any piercings,
wear makeup, extravagant hair.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
H what is it called? Skirts above the knee? Anything
above the knee? So let me slide in real quickly.
Do you know how to play sad? Of course? Gosh,
first thing I.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Think think I learned after the Book of the Bible.
You can't play SPADs? What what's happening?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Well? That was a sin. It was gambling.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh I did not learn at home. I learned at
the school. Okay, yeah, this school, of course, gambling down
and it's funny. Okay, Grandma, I'm a poppy for a
little bit because.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
This is actually terrible, but it's real.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Once my grandfather past away, and this is not morbid, Okay,
this is just funny because you know, he's a patriarchical
He's like my grandma started buying a lottery ticket. She
started little, she started to get a little more adventurous.
I was like, oh that's what it was, Okay, Now
with free l O l l o, everything just started
to change.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Said, oh, Grandma, what's that you got on? You got
a little you come, you got a little white man?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What's that blood?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What man? Is that lipship? You know? Try? I felt
like I've never seen Vegas before? Grandma? Are you ready today?
I took I took her to Vegas. But she got
down to that slap. My not this apostolic? Why I
got down to that slap? She and the whole had
a the Holy Spirit had blessed up with a winning
(18:57):
numb Okay, couldn't stay off of the actual brilliant where's
my grandma baby? Down the winning at.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
The damn could see no down down there winning winning Okay,
I can't wait to go back. Oh I can't wait
to go back anyway, that was the tangent, But yeah,
it was the knowledge of I started to study a lot.
Like Brandy and like Joe were some of the first
R and B artists or secular artists in general that
I heard from school.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'm like, who is that?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
She sounds like somebody I'm used to listen to at church,
but she's doing it a little different.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
She's talking about some things, Brandy Brandy, Yeah, yeah, that's
my girl. So she's very you know, she's from the church.
So when I heard her voice and how she's saying,
it was like, that sounds familiar, but what is that?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I went on a deep dip. I want to
know everything about R and B. And that's how today,
like I just have this.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
This is so I know that. I know you saw
that video of me doing that hall of Course, and
it went viral and you know, Brandy's daughter head came
up and it was like, girwl, get up off my mama,
you bitch. You know, So you know how I feel
about the vocal. You know, if you know me, you
know I love There's only one that I love, and
(20:16):
that's Whitney. Elizabeth Hughes yes, I mean you know iPrint girl,
I scraped, I will do like, oh yeah, don't you?
I mean I have everyone of her albums on vinyl.
First of all, she is even I look to you
the album in two thousand nine and the last one.
(20:36):
I do even that one. You just sees me take
a I do. I know what that is? It good
for you or no?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm gonna support Whitney to the end.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah I am. Yeah, I love that album. You know
why I love the for real? Her vocal texture had
changed completely completely. The agility was there, but the strength
obviously wasn't. But the way I could still hear the
natural talent of her, Yes, came.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
In at all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Okay, came in in the corner looking for it, saving
in my face.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Oh it was there, but I was like, you didn't
have to do it either, But because she knew it
was different.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Come on, rock with me, but rock with me. Million
dollar Bill is a good song. I look to you
as a statement that A million dollar Bill was written
by Alicia Keys.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And if you listen very close, you can hear her.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
She's probably, Oh no, she's not probably, she's definitely.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
If you listen very see.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I may not be a singer, but here ah okay, yeah,
when you listen to that, listen very close, it's probably
a little blend. Yeah, you're right, Alicia, go back and
get into that. Oh yes, just staying. But you know
all the girls do that, and well she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No, Whitney didn't need that, she.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Never needed it, but she needed change today. There's a
lot of i'd be in these studios. I'm like, oh,
that's a nice little trick.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And you know, R Kelly wrote I look to you
he did, and the way she sang.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It, I hear R Kelly as I lay it down,
Ye hear me. Now I'm so.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, after giving it my own, Yeah, she did it
exactly like he probably sang the demo. Yes, but you know,
I Whitney is quite a story, like even for what it's,
you know, the ups and the downs of it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Giry, I actually liked her down you I mean what
you mean by like entertaining?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yes, I love it. Remember to beat the Brown and
the course the reality show was insane me what it was?
She said, it works, it works, it works for me.
That and when they was outside in the.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Woosh, she said, Bobby, take me around this bush.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Over there, quivering for Bobby. I mean, I actually like her.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
What was the album that came out around that time?
It's not right, but it's okay. I think that was
around that time. I like them songs too. I was like,
she definitely ain't the same, but.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's okay. I'm sorry. I like the whole thing. Me
and she said, me and Bobby about to go around
here and make her baby. I was like, it's like,
you know, I'm not doing this with you today and
all that ship. So who are your girls today? Though?
(23:49):
You got to? Don't do it?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
NI, give me, give me a contemporary artist besides b
that you love that she can be like. I can
see you're you're going to be kind of like we need?
Is that kind of to us?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Now? In twenty years you're going to be to the
next generation. This is terrible. See this what I'm gonna
do on your show because you're gonna ask me and
I'm just don't look okay, but you ain't got one.
There's so many. Okay to me, these girls are sounding
the same. Why do you think that is because the
(24:23):
music industry is telling them that they need this all
sound like they need to have this tone. Now I'm
finna say something terrible when the people be saying it
like nausea, queen, nasea, sizza.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Some I don't know who different.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I'm like, who is that? Which one is it? Which
one is I think there those three are very distinctive
to me. They're not you know why. It's like it's
not as u.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Literally, in the eighties and nineties, the vocalist sounded more
separate because there was a yearning for individuality. It's different now.
It's more of a yearning for a sound, chasing a
specific sound. Back then it was chasing a story. I
want to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hopefully. You know, music is trends and they always repeat them.
Music is trends, trend.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, but I guess we can make it work.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We can figure that out.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Okay, that's a through line, know somewhere, and the trends
repeat them, repeat themselves. So I hope one day that
it'll be more story focused.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But right now, no, you're you know, we knew Brandy,
we knew who, we knew who Brand, We knew when
Brandon was saying, we knew when Monica was saying, we
knew when Aleah was singing, we knew when that trinity
was that.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But that's why there are certain artists today that when
you hear them, you know exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, like a Beyonce Cissor.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Is very distinctive. You might not like you might you okay,
but she is distinctive. Don't nobody sound like her?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Speak of her? Of her?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
She's good? You know, like her, Yeah, but it's I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
She's distinctive. I know when I'm listening to her. I
know when her starts singing that that's her.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Pick something else.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You about to get us all, no, because you defended,
because you know I.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Am, because because there are some where I'm like, I
actually can't tell. But there's a lot of people like
I know exactly when Calne is singing. I know exactly
when Coco Jones is singing, you know what I mean.
But there are some people in other tears.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Where I'm like, actually, I thought this was somebody else's song.
And that's my bad. That's my bad. I can't name
it a one right now, I don't know. Let's get
into your villain era. You know, every outlaw gets labeled
a villain at some point often when we're just trying
to live our truth and do our best. Your villain
era could be a time you stop people pleasing, a
(26:57):
time you stood up for yourself. Maybe you made a mistake,
maybe you did something that sparked some controversy, or maybe
the world just simply wasn't ready for you. What was
your villain era and what did you learn from it?
I think I'm still waiting on mine.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh, you ain't got into it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
You think I got into this might be in today. Actually,
you know, the closest I probably came to it. Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know, I had a I had a conversation with
someone about uh coming out and how layered it can be.
When I came out, it wasn't good, my my me
and my mom. Wow, words were said. I was called
some names and at the time, you know, I mean,
you know I talked you about the background, right, but
(27:43):
I actually said that it took me some time to
realize that although there's no excuses to be made for
react in that way, I was crushing her dream.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
She had when she had me. She had a plan.
I think all parents do.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
They have a plan for their kid, and they almost
paint their future before the kid has a chance to
have their own experiences, and I had to let her grieve.
I had to let her feel that and let her react,
even though it was, you know, not great for me,
not excusing it, not make not making it seem like,
you know, they should have a right to say those things,
(28:23):
but having some understanding about the why you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Now see here we go, No, because I'm gonna ask
the question, how long is that moment?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
How long is that moment? Is a very good question.
I don't think it should ever become like a norm
like you are like, you know, like that's how mom is.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I don't like. I don't like statements like that that's
dad or that's grandma. No no, no, no no no.
If she never come at the cost and expense of
your own sanity and your own mental health. But uh,
when my mom and I had the conversation to make
up for that, and she was talking to me about
why she reacted that way, I was like, you know what,
I actually do understand.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I think sometimes it's about understanding. I agreeing, But just
like when you were saying earlier, like you might not agree, but.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Understand me, I was like I had to understand and
and with that we had real conversations about Mom. This
is why, this is when I snuck. I snuck out
because I knew you. I was protecting you. You know
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I was wrong too, but I made that decision because
so it was about Okay, I'm wrong, but because I'm wrong,
but this is why I did it, and now we
can forgive and forward. Yeah, and that conversation my mom
and our best friends now.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But I had to at least bring my emotions down
enough of being upset with what she said and just
being like, no, why did you say that? And can
we not do it again? Because you want to listen,
because you want to have that as a as a
queer person, you want to have It's great to navigate
this life with your blood. We know we can choose
(29:56):
our family, right, we can choose our family. It's great
to have a great chosen family. But it's great to
navigate this life with our blood. Right, been there? Yes,
we want no matter what anybody says, we want to
make them proud. We want to get on stages and
thank them and we want it. We want to be
a part of their journey as well. So if you're interested,
(30:18):
now I'm not saying everybody should take this approach if
you're interested in preserving a relationship, because some of them
don't need to be preserved. I had an interest. I'm like,
I genially don't believe that this is my mother. I
think this is a reaction to the unknown.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
She doesn't know anything, So let me sit down and
be like, let me educate you for real, real, because
I was in the closet.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I never talked to her about it before. She doesn't
have any gay friends, so I'm like, I actually have
to try to educate and also try to close this.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Open this, let her get it out, get it out,
and then I'm gonna check you like a motherfucker. But
let me try to understand, because I do see how
this may be devastating to what you saw for me,
you know that's all it was.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, And I'm gonna but I get it. I'm gonna
spound a little bit on that sound you remain in
this form. I didn't, and so my mother had to
mourn the loss of her son. I think it's it's
it's this, it's it runs on the same way. But
then it's just like, all right, I'm mourning that I
thought I was gonna have grandkeeys, and out of the
(31:25):
now I'm mourning that now I have a daughter, my
son is dead. How did you navigate that? Still it's growing, No,
my mom and my mom is good, Judy, but it's
like it was very much. So it's either y'all gonna
fuck with me or I ain't coming back here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I had made up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That this is it.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, sometimes I'm saying sometimes it's it needs to be that,
you know. And I also I see all the time
people are like still hide themselves because their relationship with
their parents it's just more important than anything.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And that's that's okay, that's what makes it work for them.
But I would be more like you, like if that
competition did not go out with my mom, Oh, I can't.
This is my life now.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I see God by myself.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, it's gonna be me and him at the end
of the day. But what ended up happened was I
got silicon poison. Then I got sick and I had
to come home, and my mother came and saw me
sick in the bed.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Jesus like that was it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
She's like, oh my god, that'd be we have a
similar story after I came out. I came out on
Christmas twenty eighteen or whatever it was, and my father
tragically was killed in a motorcycle accident three months later,
so we didn't talk for three months, and then I
had to go back home for the funeral. And that's
the first time I had seen her in the church
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with my dad in the box up at the front,
and I had never been more emotional or hysterical in
my life. I said, in a screaming tone, that could
have been me or you up there. And the last
thing that we would have remembered was Terrell is gonna
have a husband to the wife. It's ridiculous. So it's those.
(33:10):
It's those.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Sometimes it takes tragedy, tragedy to step in and be like,
what is the perspective here? This is a ridiculous and
silly argument, and then we have the conversations and then
there you are, and then we are.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It shouldn't take that much tragedy, but sometimes it does.
So we'll take what we can get.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But but we're tired of taking all of that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Bush get ready to say, and this is why we
as queer people who are in the media, who are
in the occupy large spaces. You know, we we try
to you know, live out loud and then show our
parents or have our parents like, hey, this was rocky
at first, but you can't get there. You can get there,
you can't and once you get there, it's so much better.
(33:53):
I mean, my mom too was in Vegas with us,
my whole family. I took my whole old family from
North Carolina and brought them to Vegas. And you can't
have moments like that if you're worried about who's sleeping
with It is like girl, I mean, and there's yeah,
it's like gird this is my booty. Come on, what
(34:13):
you did with your Okay, allow the Lord to judge
me for mine and give me my doxy pep if
I need it.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Shut up and to shut out to my mama. Okay,
that's mine to die.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
What's up? Terrell?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Listen? I love you. I know that we moved quick.
You know, there was one last little part that I
want us to get. We gotta do banda Bitch with Terrell.
There's one last little part of one get. There's a
there's a part of our show. It's called bandon Bitch Okay,
bitch ban it now. This is my favorite part of
(34:55):
the sixth part of the show. Some people out here
are banning drag shows. It'll be gt Q plus books
and even our very existence. But we're flipping the script today.
What's something you would ban if you ran the world.
Here's how it works. We each get a minute to
make our case for what needs to go. The producers
will keep track of the time. Let me kick it
(35:15):
off to.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Show you how it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yes, please, I can't wait. My name is T. S.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Madison and if I ran the world, I would ban spades.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh shit, I don't know how to play No damn space, girl.
I didn't learn how to play because as growing up girl,
we was Christian. We couldn't play cards, we couldn't play nothing. Girl,
you was going to hell. Maybe you shouldn't banned the
stigma around, the stigma around when you're a Christians praise
(35:49):
let me not be asfrade. I would band the stigma
when you when you're Christian in the house like everything
ain't a fucking saying like Greg, you have interpreted that boy,
I'm all wrong. Girl. I would bear y'all taking that Bible,
dissecting it to make it y'all the way y'all cherry
pick that ship and make it work for you. I
(36:10):
want a band, y'all reading that Bible and then picking
out ship and making it work for you, miss thing, honey,
And then when I do it, when I do it,
it's wrong. I'm going y'all could go down there and
eat all that shell fish, which is all up in
that Bible, all up and through is abomination motai pattern
what do you call it? Fabrics in the club that
(36:31):
y'all can do all that and I can't sleep with
no man. Take doxy preup girl them out of here.
I cannot top that sort of God, Oh my god,
that's so good. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I've never thought about this question. All of mine is
probably silly. Can I'm gonna give a very straight answer.
You got a band, okay, do it in the dummer,
you know, doing the music?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
What would you do? Music? Okay?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Get music means Musicum, okay, I got it. My name
is My name is Terrelle. And if I ran the world,
I would ban any song that is less than two
minutes and forty five seconds. Okay, I can't get into it.
There's not enough time in the song.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
By the time I'm understanding the context of what the
fuck you're singing about. By the time I get into
the good harmony to the good beat, it's fading out.
The song is gone. There's no bridge, there is no
there is no yes and to the story. The songs
are too short. Okay, the songs are too short. I
(37:38):
can't do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I need story, okay, to get me through two minutes
forty five seconds or less.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I don't want it, ban it, get rid of it.
So that means what I'm not gonna get you in trouble,
Ladies and gentlemen. This is to real grice. Wait, unless
it's an interlude, Well, I want a long interlude, Okay,
a long interdew is fine.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
If it's a full song, okay. If it's a fullse
it's gotta be full. If it's not a full song,
it's meant to be short, then it's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But I got to face.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Oh what song is up? Faith? You remember that was
her interlude on what album? The Face first album. Well,
if it's an interlude, it's fine. It's about full songs.
If you want to just talk to me a little bit,
you want to have a little moment to transition me.
Then you can take it. You can have it one
minute forty five spine, But don't come up here with
(38:31):
no full song and you're trying to rush me. Don't
rush me. Don't rush it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Don't rush me, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
This was an amazing I hope you guys learned everything
to tell them where they can find you, even though
they know. But yes, you can find me anywhere this
type in the Terrell Show on YouTube Instagram, where the
TikTok all the everything that Tas said in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I gotta get on those a platform those some good platforms.
You can't find me on, Jack, I'll be there soon.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Oh no, don't go down because I got off it.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I'm just kidding. I'm out on any day as I'm
terrified of them. I don't know what's there. I don't
know what's going on. Would you say, oh my god,
cut this gap? Where's my bye? Y'all boy? Oh so good.
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
(39:23):
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, co created by Tyler Rabinowitz
and Olivia Piece. I'm your host, Tis Madison. We are
executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison.
Our supervising producer is Jessica Krinchich, and our producers are
Joey pat and Cormon mol. Our video editor is Tyler
(39:44):
Rabinowitz and our sound editor is Just crimechicch Our associate
producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producers
assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt. Our show
art is by Pablo Montanna.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Get Your Next Week, Week Honey,
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