December 9, 2025 • 55 mins
Stylist-to-the-stars, creative visionary, and an inspiration in every way — Ty Hunter joins TS Madison for a can’t-miss conversation about faith, fashion, and the career pivot that changed everything. You may know Ty as Beyoncé’s longtime stylist, but years ago his life looked drastically different. He was making heart valves for a medical supply company in Austin, until a tragic wake up call had him reevaluating the trajectory of his life. Driven by a dream that he couldn’t ignore, Ty opens up about the moment God told him to “get down there to Houston.” What followed wasn’t just a whole new career... it was DESTINY.
Ty takes Maddie for a strut down the memory RUNWAY: working at Bebe (c’mon rhinestone T-shirts!), meeting and learning from Ms. Tina Knowles (our first-ever “Outlaws” guest), styling Destiny’s Child as they skyrocketed to superstardom, and ultimately joining Beyoncé when she went solo, life on tour, the Barack Obama question he’ll never forget, stepping away from styling at the height of his career, writing a memoir, dealing with industry rumors, and the full-circle return for Beyoncé’s “Cowboy Carter” tour.
Also: Ms. Tina’s motherly mentorship, finding answers through solitude, trying to date while chasing your dreams, the energy transfer that exists in relationships, entrepreneurship beyond glam, creative rebirth, intuition and spiritual guidance, the way Ty protects Beyoncé, and his take on what makes a truly exceptional stylist.
Loving this episode? Read Ty Hunter's memoir, "Makeover from Within: Lessons in Hardship, Acceptance, and Self-Discovery." Also, revisit Madison's conversation with Ms. Tina Knowles here – or wherever you get your podcasts!
"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.
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Is it on? Is it on?? Honey, is this thing recording?! TS Madison broke the Internet with six seconds and a 22-inch weave. And she didn’t just go viral — she became part of the culture, from “RuPaul's Drag Race” to Beyoncé’s “Renaissance.” Her superpower? Her voice. Her kryptonite? Doesn’t exist. Her podcast? The one they never saw coming.
Each week on “Outlaws,” Madison sits down with living legends and rising stars who shed their armor and own their stories — turning side-eyes into sermons, pain into punchlines, and grief into galaxies. They speak when silence is safer. They dream when told to disappear. And they know what so many are taught to fear: that when you speak your truth, you open a portal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win went two inches b b b
b d bed bu yourself, get a job. Ricking honey,
rick hoon hater, he chasing.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that here about living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. Honey, is it on?
Is it on? Is this thing recording? This is your girl,
TS Medisine coming to you loud, live and always and
forever from the Outlaws Podcast with TS Madson and today
(00:53):
I'm sitting here with Styliss, superstar friend, supporter, friend for
a very long time. Tie on Earth, Tie Yes, you
(01:14):
know I love you. You know I love you down
before and it's just like I wanted you on the
podcast because not only you have such an amazing journey,
got a major journey, you got a major story. But
the way that we're going to start out here is
we're going to start out because I like to get
people to come sit in the chair, and I know
(01:36):
that you are very humble, You're you walk in humility,
you walk in humbleness, you walk in and you're quiet
like you are a silent assassin, I believe. But now
when we open at the top of the show. We
open with talk your shit, And when I asked people
to talk to shit, you just people come here and
(01:56):
they're like, I don't want to. I don't want to
brag on myself. I don't want I think it's because
a lot of times we've been taught as people, especially
people of color, they stay slow down, be humble, stay humble.
This ain't the time, This ain't the time for you
to be humble.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I want you to look in that camera and tell
and to speak your to speak into this microphone and
tell the people like who you are, what you do,
what you're proud of. This is your time to shine.
So I don't want you to hold back. I want
you to talk about your books, your awards, the tie light.
I want you to talk about how you you know
(02:37):
you worked in the medical field, is working on hearts.
I want you to just speed it from the top,
put all that humble stuff to the side, and this
that let let a bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh y'all gonna add a couple more hours to this
episode because I can't crunch it all in one.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, grab them as hard as you can until they
till they buck.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm Ti Hunter you guys know me from styling the
Great Beyonce. I started in Destiny's Child. I started with
Destiny's Child in nineteen ninety nine. I originally worked on hervalves.
Because you said that I lived in Austin, Texas. I
worked on heart valves and one of the I was
making really good money and one of the guys that
(03:22):
worked everybody's overtime, he was there the whole time. It
was like, I'll take you overtime. He worked for many
years because his dream was to just retire and live
his life. Well, we had the party for the guy,
the retirement party, and he died like a couple of
days later.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And so with that happening, it kind of messed me up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then my friend I was getting dressed with one
of my friends and I found out he had a
heart valve and my numbers went down because it was
my best friend.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And he didn't tell me I'm working at this place.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
He didn't tell me he had a heart valve, and
so I was just like, became very depressed at this
place and I make good money, and I called my
cousin who lived in Houston, Texas, and I was like,
I want to come I just need a moment. So
I lied to my boss and I told my boss
that I was going like we were having family issues
and stuff, and I just made up a lot. I'm sorry, sir,
(04:12):
but I lied. And I called my cousin and I
was like, can I come stay with you for a
couple of weeks and he was like, come down. I
got to Houston and I was like, I'm not leaving Houston,
like Houston is where it's at. And so I started
really learning more about myself and becoming because my mom
is the best mother on the earth and she took
good care of me. But I was like, I'm not
(04:33):
going to be an adult unless I break away. So
I moved to Houston and I started doing window dressing
and visuals in Houston, and that's where I met Miss Tina.
And the girls had no No No on the radio
at the time, and so I met Miss Tina like
ninety nine, early ninety nine, and the girls started blowing up.
They had no No No on the radio and then
(04:53):
before you know it, when independent women drop is where
Miss Tina was like, I need help and she saw me.
All the girls I met them individually, except for Beyonce
Solande was a little kid. I met Kelly, Michelle, everybody,
and Miss Tina came in one day and she saw
the Destiny child actually came in the store.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I was working at Bebe at the time, and you
know bb back then was the place.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, yes, yes, some of y'all probably still got those
ron Stone t shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Drugs.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So Miss Tina came in and she saw that I
know each girl individually, and she was like, I'm gonna
get you out of here one day.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And she don't know, but I was dating this guy
at the time and he was strung out on.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Drugs and gave the drug gave the drug dealer of
my car, and it was like madness. I was catched
a bus to work, riding a bike to work. I
was just at the lowest point in my life. And
I had a day off because I was working two
jobs and I had a day off and I called
her and I was like, Miss Tina, I needed that
day off. But I was like, Miss Tina, I'm just
(05:53):
calling see if you need help today, and she was like, yes, baby,
I need help.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Can you meet me here?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And I met her and I immediately start working on
the Grammys and the survivor video.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But I worked with her for like a year of
her just coming in and like and we and her
did this this this show together. And she told me
she those were all tests because she will call me
and she was like, they lost the luggage. I need
twenty looks for the answers to get here by tomorrow,
like like major stuff. And I was making it happen.
(06:24):
And she told me later that those were just tests. Wow,
but she testing out before she actually hired me.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, for a year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And I have a book out called Makeuver From With Then.
It is my memoir so all of the things that
we're going to be talking about today. If you want
to take time out, go get that book. It is
a great body of work and it was therapeutic for me.
And also if you don't like reading, I did the
audible good. So you you you So you're from Austin, Texas. Yes,
and you you God said get down there to Houston. Yeah,
(07:00):
and you got down at a Houston.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You had this amazing opportunity and then it just changed
your life completely. Yes, and you made lots of money.
I want to know while all of this was going on,
did you take time and just like just like absorb
(07:23):
it or were you just moving, moving, moving, moving, so
that you didn't live in any of the moments. You
just were moving.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And just when I got with the girls, just when
I got with the girls, it didn't hit me until
we got to China, and because I was just trying
to make I was absorbing, like you said, like the sponge.
Miss Tina is such an amazing person, and just to
just to see things move, because when I started, nobody
would let us pull clothes, so everything was like custom
(07:52):
and we would, like miss Tina draw some sketches and
weird like in fabric stores and everything that seemed like
a curse at the time, I ended up being a
blessing because I learned fabrics. I learned you know, what
worked for what you know, and so some of those
things like being able to go to a designer and get,
you know, the looks, we didn't have that at first.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
We had to really make things happen.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I learned, really learned how to go to the
fabric store and make things happen, and how to make
things happen in the spur of the moment. Because Dastney's
child was a vehicle it was moving. It was like NonStop.
So we were working like and traveling like crazy. I
went through like three passports.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Child. Yeah, wow, we were going. We were hitting it.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And I learned so much from Miss Tina, just like
I said, just just the beginning process.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And so.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I never really took the time to just say see
how blessed I was, because I was just trying to
make sure I do everything right. But when we got
to China, we were at like the TRL of China.
It was like all of these people were like stacked
up in the window and the girls were doing the
interview and.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Survivor.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They started singing Survivor and I was like, these people
don't speak English.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
They are singing survivor and those words. It's really hit me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And I got emotion on because just seeing all the
stuff I had went through into being able to survive.
So those lyrics to that song really touched me in
a way.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And so so this happens, and then you get a break,
you get a moment and you like, ooh, how was
your relationship? Uh, like with Beyonce, when you got a
moment to just like sitt sit down and like how
was how was it with her? And them receiving you
as as just like a person like and you telling
(09:40):
them your story about you came from Austin. You know
you you're you were in the situation with the heart
valves up with your friends whatever. How did they how
did how did they like just embrace you?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think, you know, leaving being so far away from
my mom. My mom was in Austin, and Miss Tina
meeting her, she just has this motherly If any of
you met her, you just know she's like so I
immediately she became my other mother.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And so the relationship had building.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Kelly and Michelle, I like build relationships whenever Michelle came
to town, you know, because she was she didn't know Houston,
and she was in the group, and so we me
and her would go to lunch sometime. So it wasn't
like a it was the relationship had grown to like
family before you know, I even got on board pretty much.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
All these years then went by, Yes as as Child,
all the albums, the thing, and then Beyonce goes solo
and then you strictly doing Beyonce. Was it difficult for
you to now say, all right, I'm in now I
(10:55):
am in charge of the look of one of the
world's biggest stars. Does that add pressure to you?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like, it still didn't add pressure. The pressure of wanting
to be great was just me wanting. The pressure was
on me as far as just wanting, I'll do what
I did the last time. But at that point, you know,
I did. I did Kelly solo project, I did Claunch
solo project, I did Michelle solo project. I didn't you know,
(11:27):
Destiny's Child back together, Danby, you know. So it's like
they were already family. So it's like just making sure.
My overall ending is just making sure that they're happy.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So my thing is maybe what I need to be, Like,
how do you top the last look?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's just going going back and seeing what you did,
you know what I mean, and not looking at what
other people do. You know, Once you get in that
ball of comparing yourself to other people, that's where you
slip and fall. Once we got to a place of
being able to go to designer, how long did that take?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It took?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It took a minute, Like it's it got a little
bit better when independent women dropped, like because now that's
Charlie's Angels and and you know Mss Tina did that video.
That was an amazing video, like she did her thing,
and so I kind of came on board with Survivor
and it just it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I don't know, it probably took probably like a little
like a year.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, how did you juggle your love life during that?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It was really hard? But the person I dated first,
they allowed him to come on board and help me.
So we were able to travel together. But it was
hard at first, but yeah, that's how it worked.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, So you was able to take your boot with you, y'all.
Y'all was able to Was it the boo I met?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You have been through some booths. This is where I
need to drink Assassin over the honey day.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But I am a long term kind of person. My
relationships are very long. Yeah, I've met one. Next question,
(13:42):
so you wrote your book.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And then when your book came out, you wanted to
take time away from styling.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Mm hmmm why. I just got to a point a
place of just wanting to do other things and learn
more about myself. You know, Obama, I talk about this
in my book. Obama was like you Beyonce Stylus. He's like,
where do you go from there? And It was like
(14:15):
a touching moment simply because I just really wanted to
know what else was out there for me and learn
more about myself. And so in that timeframe of being
off on on the Run one after onder Run one,
I was given like three months off. I just started
doing other things and creating and learning more about myself
(14:36):
and doing more motivational speaking, just talking and telling my
story and that leaving ten years ago and now I'm back,
but ten years ago, just that jump was it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Was ten years, ten years, ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you know, during that time, God is amazing because
he allowed me to see who was there for me,
genuinely there for me. I am one of the nicest
people on the pressure and I'm genuine real, yes, But
you learn who's there for you and who's there for
you because of who you're attached to. And so showrooms
(15:20):
started acting funny. People started acting funny because they thought
I got fired. And so I would go do interviews
about the projects I'm working on and they would bring
up stuff. But I never said I left. I just
would work on, you know, talk about whatever I'm there for.
Somebody wrote an article about me being fired all this stuff,
and then like three months later, be asked me to
(15:42):
dress up for the mac Gala. So they were like,
oh shit, he's still there. I'm forever going to be here.
That's my family, you know what I mean. And so
it was just I think that shift had to happen
for one for me to just find out more about myself.
The first couple of months, I was depressed because I
was on a hamster wheel and to get off of it,
(16:04):
It's like, oh, like life is I'm not getting off payroll.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was a big jump, and I'm glad I did it,
and I'm glad I survived it, simply just to know
that my soul and my spirit when it's time for change,
I get uncomfortable and I just face it. I fight it,
and I just go for it. I take the jump,
and a lot of people don't do that. I don't
(16:34):
want to be one of those people say would to
cut it, should have. I like to do it and
take And the thing is, you got to make those
jumps when you have true people that are going to
support you and be there for you. Because I'm like,
if it don't work out, I'm gonna go home to
my mama.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know what. I mean, but some people don't even
have that option.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Going home is not failure if you're going home to
regroup and lay back out, you know, lay the plan
back out, what's next. So I continue to jump when
my soul tells me to. I don't like to be uncomfortable.
I don't like being somewhere where I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I just I just go for it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I know God got my back and the higher
powers have my back. So I always do what the
higher powers lead, you know, because you might have in
your life and your mind that this is how my
life is going to be laid out, but it'll remix
because I was doing herd valves and now I'm in fashion.
So you know, the fear of jumping is something that
I just always go for it. Sometimes I get excited
(17:35):
when I'm afraid of something because it once I take
that step, I it's like it's the level U of
me becoming who I truly am meant to be.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What's your sign?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Leo? Ah? My birthday is August twentieth, I'll be fifty three. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, look how God preserves.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, when you're a good person, your age better.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. Yes, look hout God preserves and not only that,
it's just it's so a message in what you said,
like you get you get uncomfortable with trying to stay
the same. Okay, what's next? Like what I'm gonna do?
(18:21):
Like what's what? I haven't conquered that, and like I'm
thinking about doing it, and so I just want to say,
if I fail at it, I tried.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And I think people people out there that sit at
home and watch people and have the most awful, nasty,
evil viole opinions are people that that won't follow or
are afraid to go home and start over again. I'm not.
(18:56):
That's why when I started out on the internet, like
my my content was ever starting out reading nobody. It
was never this or that. Now I got into the
reading and stuff because it was me defending myself. But
my content started out with me eating, me sharing my
life stories, me talking about you know what I'm saying,
and like, hey, I'm in this area in my life,
(19:17):
I want to go to this place I'm changing. And
people started following me from that and just like, oh,
this girl funny, you you know, she's interesting, And then
like stuff started evolving evolving for me, and it was
the fact of I wanted to leave what I was
formerly doing. I was in the adult field I wanted
(19:38):
to get out of because I was like, this is
not all that's for me, Like this is not the
only thing. Like God didn't create me just to do this.
I'm supposed to do everything that I saw in my vision.
And like, I believe that everything that you're doing or
you have done in your life, you probably saw it
in a vision somewhere. Do you vision board?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I actually, you know, I learned to be alone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
A lot of people are afraid to be alone, but
I notice when I'm alone, like I take truths by myself,
and I get the answers that I need when I'm
by myself. I went from just always having to be
in long term relationships and being somebody had to be
there to really learning how to be alone. And once
you get that, the answers just kind of fall into
place and you really get guidance. When you learn to
(20:28):
be alone, you're able to hear the voice, or you're
able to feel or see the pictures clearly. Because I
do believe that things come to us as human beings
and dreams and pictures and like flashes and DejaVu. It's like,
wait a minute, I've seen this before, you know. And
(20:50):
it's just like girl the time when it's quiet and
the window is closed and you're in the dark room,
and the same sacrifice. You have to give up things.
And then the answers started coming in. I noticed when
I give up things and really just focus and pray harder.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, I'll tell you what some stuff I give. You
don't have to interject into this. This is me. This
is why I like to talk in the interviews too,
because I can talk from the perspective of understanding what
you mean. There was a time like when I was
getting ready to buy a house, my first house. You know,
I went stale on sex. I went completely stale on
(21:36):
sex because I was like, there's something that I want
and me being occupied Ryde and Dick was got hald
my mind all over the place and bo ways and shit.
I was like, Nah, let me unplug from this and
then ask the God, the universe, the creator, whatever it
(21:58):
is that you want to call. Let me ask, Hey,
I want to do something. I want to go to
a different place in my life. I want to do
something else. Let me unplug these digs for me because
there's too much energy being plugged, too much outside other
energy being plugged into me. So let me unplug this,
let me chill, let me, let me then let me
(22:21):
not even masturbate even, let me just get to a
spot to where I can think and then be like,
I want to buy a home. I want to change
my life. I do not want to be in this
a space no more. I did that. I didn't talk
(22:45):
about it when I was vlogging. I just talked about, like,
you know, you know, me doing different spaces, going different
areas in my life or whatever whatever. And my house
didn't come easier to me, but it wasn't as difficult
as I thought it was going to be. And it
was because I had saw it in my spirit and
(23:07):
the Creator put me on that path to get it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
But I needed to, you know, and maybe for some
people out there, that might mean you need to unplug.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
From listen sex.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I stopped smoking weed, I stopped drinking and just really
just showing the higher powers that you know, I'm serious
about this, that I want to change. And you get
mental clarity once you start letting go of things that
got a hold of you. Yeah, and even if you slip.
It's like now if I slip, because I'm human, I'm
(23:40):
not perfect, but they don't have the same control of me.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That I I feel a couple of times, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But at least I have mental clarity and also knowing, okay,
real this thing back in and don't and don't allow
it to take full control of me.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Ever again, I.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Kind of go through that stuff like right now time
when I'm because you know, I go through phases of sex.
And I'm also very much so like in a space
where I don't let everybody touch I'm like, nah, when
I used to be hoish and like won't, used to
be harsh and stuff like oh boy, Now it's very
(24:22):
much so like nah, I can't let you. You can't
touch me, you can't put your hands on me. Because
now I'm more understanding about energy and energy transfer. Yes,
I'm more what's the word I want to use, I'm
more not susceptible. I'm more aware of it. I'm aware
(24:45):
of it, like because I remember me having sex with
somebody and I was angry, like for days and I'm like, bitch,
why why am I soul? I that Nigga transferred that
shit to me, and it threw me off my thought
process because I was so mad and I couldn't figure
(25:06):
out why I was mad. And then it was just like, girl,
you shouldn't have fucked that boy. Girl, because your ass
is not over here. You done, you done, transferred, you
don't transfer whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, they just put that out recently to scientists that
you transfer. Basically, it's a.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Transfer of energy. That's why you got to be you
got to be people out here with these and I'm
not reading people with multiple partners because I was a girl. Girl.
I was multiplying partners two times two is four or
(25:43):
four times for sixteen, sixteen times sixteen you know the
rest I was multiplying partners. But that just you know,
and I know Biblically it talks about how uh, every
person that you lay down with you get up with
it with whatever spirit they had whatever, you know, and
I know we you know whatever. I just know that
(26:07):
I was mad and it was some ship. It threw
me off. I was unbalanced, you know, And I was like, Okay,
so now when I'm really trying to focus on getting something,
I'm focusing on on what this or hearing the spirit
I do what you do you come out of that
and be like, well, let me just cause I know
sex can throw me. I'm a Libra, okay, and baby,
(26:31):
I know sex. I can get up. Oh, I'm a
Libra and I know that sex deem. It could get
on me and they can. It could call out the
darkness in me and it'll and I could be trapped
in it. And I believe that that's why in the
sex business I was so successful. See now I'm finna
(26:53):
go there on my part talk talk talking to you.
I believe I was so successful in that business, in
that field when I was in there, because I had
something attached to me, because I was super successful in
that especially not being the status quo. I was always
called the BBW. I was always I found a niche
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that I capitalized off. I was fat, loud, I was
welling down, hairy in the areas or whatever, like while
everybody else was clean shaven and skinny. You know, I
always was. I always danced to the beat of my
own drum. But it was just like, and I believe
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that that same thing. And I don't need y'all. I
didn't end up audience talking to me about that bullshit
telling me you know that I have sold my soul
and some shit because you know, the girls to get
into that when you start talking about what you realize.
I used to hear this speak nected to the spirit
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when I used to walk the street. I used to
hear I was like, what that you know? Okay in
the back of this even when I'm in.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
This Wow, so and it you was protected.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That and it followed me all and follow me, which
brings me down to like I told Miss Tina when
she was here, the Spirit told me to go downstairs
time I was mad about George Floyd and that girl
Eanna Dior getting beat up in around the same time
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George Floyd was murdered, and the spirit told me, I
heard it, go downstairs and cuss, bitch, wow, go downstairs
in your basement and cuss and fuss and read and
talk about you being black withem. I did not know
that Beyonce was going to absorb that. I did not
know that. I had no idea that that was she
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was going to absorb that and be like, yes, I
had no idea. I just know the spirit told me
to cus, fuss and and release, and we got this.
We got this anthem forever, forever, forever. And it was
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the same way like when when I meet people, or
I meet or I meet or or I'm buying something,
the spirit I can hear it. I knew it about
Rue Paul. I knew it. I was fourteen years old
sitting on the floor Indian style, and the spirit said
to me, RuPaul is going to be your friend and
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y'all gonna work together. I was fourteen over here, like
who said that? But you you express this stuff and
you say this stuff out loud or what people start saying,
are you crazy? Or or you worshiped some something or
you But it's like no, Sometimes you gotta hold you
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gotta sit still and listen.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And and the thing is, we all get it, we all,
but if some of us just refuse to listen because
we want to go to the wrong direction, you know
what I mean. So that's how you because we all
you get the sense of go this way, go that way.
You get that right away, especially when you're leading down
the wrong path. But a lot of us be like,
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I'm gonna just go this way anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I love the way that you protect Beyonce.
I love it like you don't even if the shadows
you sit back in the shadow and you've been like mmm,
because I remember we were in we were in New
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York at the City Winer show. You came out in
the magazine was interviewing me, and I love the way
that she was looking at me, but not looking at
me from the place of bitch, you better watch it.
It was just looking at me from the place of
that you got this madicine because they were asking me
things about Beyonce, and I was very much so I
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was very clear, you know, not just because you were there.
I was very clear because I respect her as an artist.
I respect her for what she's done to the world,
you know. But I love the way that she was
looking at me, Like yes, Now we talked and you
told me that you were at a place once and
you heard some people saying some very nasty things about her,
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and you told them like, hey, you told whoever was there, like, now,
don't let them know that I was there. Don't let
them know who I am. And I wanted to know
when you were listening to that stuff, you were listening
to it to hear like what what is it that?
What is the jealousy for or what is the thing for.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It was I was at a house party and these
guys were these two guys were talking really bad about her.
It was like the second tour and my friends that know,
they were like, and I was like, don't tell them, no,
I'm good, Like I'm not finna set up here and
be battling these boys. They got their opinion, that's their opinion.
When they finished, I gave the guy I was like,
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there will be two tickets waiting under your name at
the Beyonce concert. And he went and he is now
a super fan. Heah Beyonce parties and all that. He
was crying when she came and some dangerously of love.
So it's just like, you know, what do you think?
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I just want to know what do you think that
that that is with people?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What is it? Is it? A? Is it A? I
would love to be in your shoes.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Every is entitled to their opinion of what type of
genre music or whatever that I know, whoever their favorite
person is or whatever. But you know, my thing is
to say someone is not talented or just talk bad
about someone, and clearly that's not the case at all. Yeah,
But I mean everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, But when we were leaving the Cowboy Carter Tour,
we were in the car and all of us in
the car, and we were riding down the street and
we said, and I don't give a fuck what y'all
say down in the comments, kissed my ass. We said
that Beyonce is this generations Michael Jackson. That's the way
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I feel. Because we watched the way four nights of Atlanta,
eighty thousand people, every city, every state, Beyonce tickets could
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be ten thousand dollars. Those girls gonna pay that money.
We see the way that her name just moves the
things and the stuff that pierces me off is when
people are are attempting to criticize her or attempting to
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put her in this space of like, well, you know,
or this one is better than this. And I always
say this, she is a black woman who has to
work ten times hard as a black person. Everything that
she has, she's earned that. And people don't know how
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the industry works with any of that shit. Like anytime
you see black people anywhere holding any space or any
the scrutiny and the the way that people make it
where you you have to like, you can't give a
little bit, you can't. The set got to be the biggest,
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the large.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It got to be.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It has to be because you already judged from a
place up. Let me see how she's gonna do that.
Let me see how they're gonna do that. Let's see
how that's gonna work. And then they'll take the same
energy and then they'll say, looking at somebody else that
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does half of that a fragment of that. This is
the greatest thing I've ever seen. Even me, I keep
playing spaces and stuff like that. It's just like that
was cute. It's that girl. That's why I actually you
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how difficult it was for you to have to beat
the look like to beat the cause it's just like
they looking at at your girls and you know you
doing this, and I like that. You said, what kept
you grounded was I was just I was just challenging me.
I wasn't challenging them. I was challenging me because you know,
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with her, she's not looking at what the last person
is doing. She's looking at what she's done the last time.
And like I said, when you get to a space
where you're looking at other people's and comparing yourself. That's
where the depression and all the stuff, that's where you
start slacking. You gotta look at what you did and
try to outdo that.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And she I just be amazed because that's how wonderful
she is, because I'd be like, you came in upside
down last time?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
How you gonna come in? What's next? Like how you
go out do that? You dancing the ring of fire?
How you're gonna outdo that?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And she just tends to always outdo it. And that's
why I admire and I'm just so proud of her
because just to see and to hear like when she
was younger with the talks of what she wanted to do,
and she's an accomplished way beyond all those things.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I'm just really really proud of her.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Do you gag?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I still gag?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You gagging?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Like every time when I when I you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Know, coming back, and I'm just like, I just look
at her in awe because it's like she's just an
amazing person all around and humble and.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Just a hard worker, and it motivates me to do
better and be better.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And anybody that's able to be in her space or
touch her immediately get blessed and she's just all around.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Oh I know, I know she's an amazing when she's
an amazing artist, I'm so glad that she has you
in her life because you truly are there, You truly
are different. You protect her, you know, you protect her brain.
I love the way that you stand to the side
and you look. I'm telling you. When we was in
New York, he was looking and they were asking me
about the Beyonce. I think they were asking me something about,
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oh god, what was it? But you was looking at
me and I was I was like, I got this.
Trust me, I got this. I know. I know that's
your sister and that's my sister too. I got this
because I understand. I understand. I understand that how people
be looking for little things like I get it. What's
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next for you?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm working on a lot of projects. I have Skincare
coming out. I'm really excited about that. Eventually, going to
work on book number two and a lot of other
things that I can't legally talk about.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Okay, yeah, I'm working on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
My goal is to just I love making people feel
good and stamping my brand in that way and That's
why if you're following me on social media, you know
that like and so a lot of the things that
I'm doing is just motivational and uplifting that are coming
next good.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm gonna be there for for the whole things. You know.
I love when we have our private time or whatever.
We want you to come out to the house when
you know, when you get some time in Atlanta, so
Mama could cook cook you up some stuff. I remember
we said at Bevy's house Christmas. Yeah, and Bevy was
losing her mom, and I think that we were both
(39:28):
in an emotional space because I was talking to you about,
like when I'm on the road and my mom is, uh,
has mobility issues. I had to choose I want to
because I know my mom watched the show. She don't
like the word some words she don't like. So she
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has mobility issues, and you know, and she's getting older
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
My mom has cancer and she's been balance cancer for
a couple of years now. She's still go to chemo
and all those things. And so that's what we were
all talking about. Just you know, when your superhero starts deteriorating,
gets really a tough one.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, she's she has moments where she's I feel like
she stopped fighting, but she's been fighting lately because she's
coming to Las Vegas. Yea, she just want to come
gamble now. She don't want to go to the show.
Therapist is like she's getting a plus. So she's doing
you know, I feel like, you know, dealing with cancer
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and you know those type of things. It's important to
keep us, keep people happy to fight and also give
them reasons to live. And so I plan on just
giving her spot dates and stuff to keep her mobility
and make sure like, okay, we're going to Vegas. Okay next,
you know, do good so we can come here, because
you know, staying in the bed and not doing and
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not moving you tend to you know, she take two steps,
she can barely breathe and stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But she's been doing really well.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
And I'm sorry for telling all your business, mom, but
I want you to do great, be better and do good.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And she gonna do it because she gonna go down
there gamble up, yo, ma. So I'm in the last
part of the show. Time it's called ban it Bitch. Okay,
Now some people are out here banning drag shows, LGBTQ,
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plus books and even our very existence. But we're flipping
the script. What's something you would band if you ran
the world. So here's how it works. We each get
one minute to make our case for what needs to go.
Let me kick it off to show you how it's done.
All right, so let me see what we talked about
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in this com station. My name is TS Madison, and
if I rule the world, I would ban the metrics
on what's great and what's not. I would ban the
metrics on that because I get tired of putting my
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best foot for with what I have and what I got,
and people say, oh, you could do better than that,
or that wasn't good enough, or you should look to
this one to do to do better. I would ban
the metrics on that because sometimes people are given all
what they got with what they have. I would ban
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people judging people based off of what they think is
the status quo.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Well, and I would ban would ban them having the ability.
I mean you, you should have free speech. But girls,
shut the fuck up. You don't know what it takes
it to. You don't know what what, how how the
day starts, or what it takes to be and it says,
shut the fuck up, because a lot of times you
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girls be talking from a from a place and don't
have no idea. You be talking from a spot and
if you if the shoe was on your foot, you
would fumble it. You couldn't hold the seat. And that's
what I would. God damn band.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know my thing is this I feel like, and
that's why I like, you know, I got approached to
a lot of the judging shows, like after the Grammys
talk about the fashion and this, this and this, and
I'm like, I just don't believe.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
In talking bad about people like this woman, she's up
for this award.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
She don't pay for hair makeup and this stuff ain't
cheap these days, and the stylists and you know, I
just feel like it's not right to talk bad about
people just period, just fashion choices and all those things.
And it's nothing wrong with having an opinion. I just
wish it would you weren't able to like post it
like I would ban negative comments, oh, negative comment negative,
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And it's just something that you know, we're already dealing
with life itself, and so I just feel like some
things you just just keep to yourself and it's not
it's not fair for this woman to go on there
and she's feeling pretty. What I do have to say now,
as far as fashion is concerned, yeah, people gonna eat
you up. But I notice that it's about confidence. So
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I feel like when I look at things, I'm like, oh,
she don't feel comfortable in that, you know what I mean.
So me being a stylist, I feel like, when you're
paying for the service, you still need to have a
voice and be like, just because it's Jivan, she look
number one that everybody's fighting over. You know, everybody don't
carry that those looks, you know, properly because they don't
feel confident. And I always say, we're not born with
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clothes on. Our first outfit is our skin. So I
feel like getting the client to a place of feeling
comfortable and making sure they're part of the transaction so
when they hit the carpet, they feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
That's important.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes, Yeah, so you'd ban negative comments. Now, listen, we've
gotten past this. I do have maybe two more questions. Okay,
what makes a great stylist.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Question one, a great stylist is again, allowing your client
to be part of the transaction to me. I don't
just show up and say put this on. I'm like,
how do you want to feel? Do you want to
feel angelic? Do you want to feel sexy?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Do you want to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
And also finding out what the client's insecurities are and
get them to a place of not feeling insecure. You
might be like, I don't like my legs or my knees.
Let's do some hosiary or let do somebody makeup, or
let's just getting the person to place of just truly
loving themselves and being more confident.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I don't like splits going up the side because I
have little marks from seal marks from where I've been
have cheal a silicone injection that I have dark little circles.
I don't like splits. And then there's sometimes that people
will want to make me something with a split and
I won't wear it.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Whether that's tricks, I know I have to that.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That was a bad joke. Also, like I don't like
the way sometimes things gather on me, like in my
stomach area because and I try to convey this to people,
like like I don't like that, I don't want to
wear that. I don't want to like, don't come over
here telling me because this is a brand, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That's good you have a voice. But some people you
can tell when they don't. They just like that.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
That's the hoighest stylist make make me up, you know
what I mean. But you still have to have a
voice in so you can carry yourself with confidence.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, because everybody I've seen some carpet looks, I'm like,
they don't they don't the way they're walking in and
they don't feel confident in that.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You can tell when somebody feel good and beautiful, you know,
And also a good stylist is okay with I feel
like everybody needs to communicate because if the makeup ain't right,
the looking right, if the hairing right, the look ain't right.
So it's like being able to not have a chip
on your shoulder and really communicate with each other and
make it work as a unit. Because some people be
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like I killed that hair or I killed that makeup,
but it's like that dress is horrible, you know what
I mean, Or that makeup is horrible.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
So it's just like when you move, you should all
work together.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And even with me, like I don't believe a woman
should go to the carpet with a train and not
be out there like I was probably like the first
stylist to go out and make sure the train is
laid out.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I don't care how I look.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I care about these pictures are timeless and so now
all the stylists are out there, but I would literally
it was the first one. I used to have to
fight to be out there. They'd be like, sir, you
can't go this way. No, I know you're doing your job,
but I need to do mine. And I'll be out
there and laying those trains out on the girls because
it's important for those photos to not have a train
gathered like that's a train.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yes. That's why when they tell me I can't have
no plus one, I'll be like, nah, yeah, plus two.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, because it's important to make sure there's no slips and.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yes, and because they'll push you, they'll shove you right
out there.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Just know they'll shove you right out there on that carpet,
and as a black girl, you ain't got but one moment. Yeah,
and they'll catch you at the most terriblest things.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
That's what they look for.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And you need to tell them, hey, I
need a second hold up because I've been in those places.
I'm like, girl, I need to get my ship right,
like like you got me, you rushing me through here
because you're trying to get this other girl that's coming
through who's probably bigger name than me or whatever. But
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I need I need my moment too, because I'm going
in those pictures too, bitch, and I don't want my
hit looking fucked up, right, And so I'd've been to
those spaces of work like, and I've been uncomfortable because
I ain't like what it was was. It's like, okay,
well let me get let me get my train out,
let me get that that horse hair the flu flew
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out like that girl. Y'all need that.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
There.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Used to be so mad at me because they'd be like,
get out the way, get out the way. It's like
hold on, like you'll get it. You'll get it when
it's right. And so then they got used to me
being out there. But I used to go out there
and people be like, why you're not smiling. It's not
about me, it's about her. It's about whoever I'm out there,
whoever my client is. It's their moment it's not my moment.
When you see me smiling, it's because it's my moment
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and I'm on the carpet, right.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
So my last question is as a as a stylist,
do you stay to the side and you you does
the makeup artist and the uh hair person have to
check in with you first?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
No, it just depends on how things work, you know,
it depends on the client, how the flow is. Like
if with me, I would be like, how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
What's the look?
Speaker 2 (50:20):
But a lot of times wardrobe is first and hair
and makeup work around that. But it depends on if
the person is like, I'm cutting on my hair next week.
I'm going platinum blonde, so then I'll work around the hair.
So I've always been the type of person to work
around people just to make sure everything flows well.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
But again, that was a professional answer. Yeah, it got
to come through me. I need to see that. I
need to see that. Let me see what's looking like.
Because if the hair falling on the shoulders and I
gotta I gotta dress that come up like this, I
need the hair to be over here so that we
can see the I got her addressed. That's doing this. Yeah,
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And the hat don't need to be laying on this
and no.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
We need to do up like yeah, but if you
have enough time. A lot of times you don't get
that amount of time. So it's just like if you
have time to plan out things, then if I get
it early enough, then I will contact hair and make
up and say this is a dress we're going for,
so they'll have time to work around it. But sometimes
you don't get a fitting until day of and so
you work around it. You kind of help each other.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, but you're still gonna tell them move that yes,
off of that thing, Yeah, because this has this this
look has to be yeah, immaculate, and that one little
hair sitting over here can mess that whole thing up.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yep, it's true.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, it has been a pleasure. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Bays.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
I love I didn't dig too deep, did I know
you did? Y'all got a lot to cut. I love
you and I'm so proud of you. I'm really really
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Thank you you. Listen, We've always supported each other. You've
supported me a lot. I love the fact that you
knew I was on cozy and didn't say nothing to me.
We had seen each other and everything you ain't saying nothing.
That's why I was like, yeah, I love that. I
love the way you protect her. I love that. And
I'm just now narrowing my team down to people who
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really protect me, who really have my best interest, who
really loved me, because that's a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, you got to have peace of mind with your
team and knowing that if you're not there, they're fighting
battles for you. Yeah, it's important because to have that
sense of home.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, yeah, I love you. I love you down when
we get back to God them. When you come from
Vegas and you come over there to Atlanta, come over there.
You can fix you something. I'm vegetarian, Mom, No, but
I can eat. I know you don't want to hear that,
but Mom, I eat the sides. Okay, listen, listen, work
with me. If you do greens, don't put me in
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it for me, no, listen, the yams. I can eat
mashed potatoes with green I could eat stuff. I just
can't eat stuff with meat and it. Mom, So just
and the green beans. Mom, you could do.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Just work with me, mam. I can eat the sides.
Just don't put meat in all the sides.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
And Oh my god, I'm not I'm going to carry you.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Geese. Just work with me, Mom, just making me the sides, please,
I love you.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Do want to eat nothing but grass cabbage. I like
cabbage with no meat. Where y'all started all of this shit?
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah? Fried okre is my favorite?
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh god, chicken. It's a lot of stuff et damn Ma,
and she gonna do all that, thank you. And that's
the ship that pieced me off with my mama. She
gonna do all that. Ain't gonna be no meat in
the greens.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
But okay, look for my family on Thanksgiving, they make
a separate pot. So when they making it, they just
scoop it out and then they at the meat to
the bigger pot.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
It works, y'all. This has been out lost with ts Master,
I guess has been the illustrious tie Honey. We'll see y'all.
So I love you, Ty, I love godic Oh my god.
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Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, created by Tyler Rabinowitz and
Olivia I'm Your host Tias Madison. We are executive produced
by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising
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Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Martini. Got You Next Week, Honey,
Every time I open up my mouth up and goes out.
Don't wait, no win went two inches b b b
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
It.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm black like that here about living. It's color easy.
This is Outlaws with TS Medicine. Honey, is it on?
Is it on? Is this thing recording? This is your girl,
TS Medisine coming to you loud, live and always and
forever from the Outlaws Podcast with TS Madson and today
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I'm sitting here with Styliss, superstar friend, supporter, friend for
a very long time. Tie on Earth, Tie Yes, you
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know I love you. You know I love you down
before and it's just like I wanted you on the
podcast because not only you have such an amazing journey,
got a major journey, you got a major story. But
the way that we're going to start out here is
we're going to start out because I like to get
people to come sit in the chair, and I know
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that you are very humble, You're you walk in humility,
you walk in humbleness, you walk in and you're quiet
like you are a silent assassin, I believe. But now
when we open at the top of the show. We
open with talk your shit, And when I asked people
to talk to shit, you just people come here and
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they're like, I don't want to. I don't want to
brag on myself. I don't want I think it's because
a lot of times we've been taught as people, especially
people of color, they stay slow down, be humble, stay humble.
This ain't the time, This ain't the time for you
to be humble.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I want you to look in that camera and tell
and to speak your to speak into this microphone and
tell the people like who you are, what you do,
what you're proud of. This is your time to shine.
So I don't want you to hold back. I want
you to talk about your books, your awards, the tie light.
I want you to talk about how you you know
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you worked in the medical field, is working on hearts.
I want you to just speed it from the top,
put all that humble stuff to the side, and this
that let let a bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh y'all gonna add a couple more hours to this
episode because I can't crunch it all in one.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, grab them as hard as you can until they
till they buck.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm Ti Hunter you guys know me from styling the
Great Beyonce. I started in Destiny's Child. I started with
Destiny's Child in nineteen ninety nine. I originally worked on hervalves.
Because you said that I lived in Austin, Texas. I
worked on heart valves and one of the I was
making really good money and one of the guys that
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worked everybody's overtime, he was there the whole time. It
was like, I'll take you overtime. He worked for many
years because his dream was to just retire and live
his life. Well, we had the party for the guy,
the retirement party, and he died like a couple of
days later.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And so with that happening, it kind of messed me up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then my friend I was getting dressed with one
of my friends and I found out he had a
heart valve and my numbers went down because it was
my best friend.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And he didn't tell me I'm working at this place.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
He didn't tell me he had a heart valve, and
so I was just like, became very depressed at this
place and I make good money, and I called my
cousin who lived in Houston, Texas, and I was like,
I want to come I just need a moment. So
I lied to my boss and I told my boss
that I was going like we were having family issues
and stuff, and I just made up a lot. I'm sorry, sir,
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but I lied. And I called my cousin and I
was like, can I come stay with you for a
couple of weeks and he was like, come down. I
got to Houston and I was like, I'm not leaving Houston,
like Houston is where it's at. And so I started
really learning more about myself and becoming because my mom
is the best mother on the earth and she took
good care of me. But I was like, I'm not
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going to be an adult unless I break away. So
I moved to Houston and I started doing window dressing
and visuals in Houston, and that's where I met Miss Tina.
And the girls had no No No on the radio
at the time, and so I met Miss Tina like
ninety nine, early ninety nine, and the girls started blowing up.
They had no No No on the radio and then
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before you know it, when independent women drop is where
Miss Tina was like, I need help and she saw me.
All the girls I met them individually, except for Beyonce
Solande was a little kid. I met Kelly, Michelle, everybody,
and Miss Tina came in one day and she saw
the Destiny child actually came in the store.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I was working at Bebe at the time, and you
know bb back then was the place.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, yes, yes, some of y'all probably still got those
ron Stone t shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Drugs.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So Miss Tina came in and she saw that I
know each girl individually, and she was like, I'm gonna
get you out of here one day.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And she don't know, but I was dating this guy
at the time and he was strung out on.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Drugs and gave the drug gave the drug dealer of
my car, and it was like madness. I was catched
a bus to work, riding a bike to work. I
was just at the lowest point in my life. And
I had a day off because I was working two
jobs and I had a day off and I called
her and I was like, Miss Tina, I needed that
day off. But I was like, Miss Tina, I'm just
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calling see if you need help today, and she was like, yes, baby,
I need help.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Can you meet me here?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And I met her and I immediately start working on
the Grammys and the survivor video.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But I worked with her for like a year of
her just coming in and like and we and her
did this this this show together. And she told me
she those were all tests because she will call me
and she was like, they lost the luggage. I need
twenty looks for the answers to get here by tomorrow,
like like major stuff. And I was making it happen.
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And she told me later that those were just tests. Wow,
but she testing out before she actually hired me.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, for a year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And I have a book out called Makeuver From With Then.
It is my memoir so all of the things that
we're going to be talking about today. If you want
to take time out, go get that book. It is
a great body of work and it was therapeutic for me.
And also if you don't like reading, I did the
audible good. So you you you So you're from Austin, Texas. Yes,
and you you God said get down there to Houston. Yeah,
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and you got down at a Houston.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You had this amazing opportunity and then it just changed
your life completely. Yes, and you made lots of money.
I want to know while all of this was going on,
did you take time and just like just like absorb
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it or were you just moving, moving, moving, moving, so
that you didn't live in any of the moments. You
just were moving.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And just when I got with the girls, just when
I got with the girls, it didn't hit me until
we got to China, and because I was just trying
to make I was absorbing, like you said, like the sponge.
Miss Tina is such an amazing person, and just to
just to see things move, because when I started, nobody
would let us pull clothes, so everything was like custom
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and we would, like miss Tina draw some sketches and
weird like in fabric stores and everything that seemed like
a curse at the time, I ended up being a
blessing because I learned fabrics. I learned you know, what
worked for what you know, and so some of those
things like being able to go to a designer and get,
you know, the looks, we didn't have that at first.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
We had to really make things happen.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I learned, really learned how to go to the
fabric store and make things happen, and how to make
things happen in the spur of the moment. Because Dastney's
child was a vehicle it was moving. It was like NonStop.
So we were working like and traveling like crazy. I
went through like three passports.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Child. Yeah, wow, we were going. We were hitting it.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And I learned so much from Miss Tina, just like
I said, just just the beginning process.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
And so.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I never really took the time to just say see
how blessed I was, because I was just trying to
make sure I do everything right. But when we got
to China, we were at like the TRL of China.
It was like all of these people were like stacked
up in the window and the girls were doing the
interview and.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Survivor.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They started singing Survivor and I was like, these people
don't speak English.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
They are singing survivor and those words. It's really hit me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And I got emotion on because just seeing all the
stuff I had went through into being able to survive.
So those lyrics to that song really touched me in
a way.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And so so this happens, and then you get a break,
you get a moment and you like, ooh, how was
your relationship? Uh, like with Beyonce, when you got a
moment to just like sitt sit down and like how
was how was it with her? And them receiving you
as as just like a person like and you telling
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them your story about you came from Austin. You know
you you're you were in the situation with the heart
valves up with your friends whatever. How did they how
did how did they like just embrace you?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think, you know, leaving being so far away from
my mom. My mom was in Austin, and Miss Tina
meeting her, she just has this motherly If any of
you met her, you just know she's like so I
immediately she became my other mother.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And so the relationship had building.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Kelly and Michelle, I like build relationships whenever Michelle came
to town, you know, because she was she didn't know Houston,
and she was in the group, and so we me
and her would go to lunch sometime. So it wasn't
like a it was the relationship had grown to like
family before you know, I even got on board pretty much.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
All these years then went by, Yes as as Child,
all the albums, the thing, and then Beyonce goes solo
and then you strictly doing Beyonce. Was it difficult for
you to now say, all right, I'm in now I
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am in charge of the look of one of the
world's biggest stars. Does that add pressure to you?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like, it still didn't add pressure. The pressure of wanting
to be great was just me wanting. The pressure was
on me as far as just wanting, I'll do what
I did the last time. But at that point, you know,
I did. I did Kelly solo project, I did Claunch
solo project, I did Michelle solo project. I didn't you know,
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Destiny's Child back together, Danby, you know. So it's like
they were already family. So it's like just making sure.
My overall ending is just making sure that they're happy.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So my thing is maybe what I need to be, Like,
how do you top the last look?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's just going going back and seeing what you did,
you know what I mean, and not looking at what
other people do. You know, Once you get in that
ball of comparing yourself to other people, that's where you
slip and fall. Once we got to a place of
being able to go to designer, how long did that take?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It took?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It took a minute, Like it's it got a little
bit better when independent women dropped, like because now that's
Charlie's Angels and and you know Mss Tina did that video.
That was an amazing video, like she did her thing,
and so I kind of came on board with Survivor
and it just it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I don't know, it probably took probably like a little
like a year.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, how did you juggle your love life during that?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It was really hard? But the person I dated first,
they allowed him to come on board and help me.
So we were able to travel together. But it was
hard at first, but yeah, that's how it worked.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, So you was able to take your boot with you, y'all.
Y'all was able to Was it the boo I met?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You have been through some booths. This is where I
need to drink Assassin over the honey day.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But I am a long term kind of person. My
relationships are very long. Yeah, I've met one. Next question,
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so you wrote your book.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And then when your book came out, you wanted to
take time away from styling.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Mm hmmm why. I just got to a point a
place of just wanting to do other things and learn
more about myself. You know, Obama, I talk about this
in my book. Obama was like you Beyonce Stylus. He's like,
where do you go from there? And It was like
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a touching moment simply because I just really wanted to
know what else was out there for me and learn
more about myself. And so in that timeframe of being
off on on the Run one after onder Run one,
I was given like three months off. I just started
doing other things and creating and learning more about myself
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and doing more motivational speaking, just talking and telling my
story and that leaving ten years ago and now I'm back,
but ten years ago, just that jump was it.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Was ten years, ten years, ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you know, during that time, God is amazing because
he allowed me to see who was there for me,
genuinely there for me. I am one of the nicest
people on the pressure and I'm genuine real, yes, But
you learn who's there for you and who's there for
you because of who you're attached to. And so showrooms
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started acting funny. People started acting funny because they thought
I got fired. And so I would go do interviews
about the projects I'm working on and they would bring
up stuff. But I never said I left. I just
would work on, you know, talk about whatever I'm there for.
Somebody wrote an article about me being fired all this stuff,
and then like three months later, be asked me to
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dress up for the mac Gala. So they were like,
oh shit, he's still there. I'm forever going to be here.
That's my family, you know what I mean. And so
it was just I think that shift had to happen
for one for me to just find out more about myself.
The first couple of months, I was depressed because I
was on a hamster wheel and to get off of it,
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It's like, oh, like life is I'm not getting off payroll.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was a big jump, and I'm glad I did it,
and I'm glad I survived it, simply just to know
that my soul and my spirit when it's time for change,
I get uncomfortable and I just face it. I fight it,
and I just go for it. I take the jump,
and a lot of people don't do that. I don't
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want to be one of those people say would to
cut it, should have. I like to do it and
take And the thing is, you got to make those
jumps when you have true people that are going to
support you and be there for you. Because I'm like,
if it don't work out, I'm gonna go home to
my mama.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know what. I mean, but some people don't even
have that option.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Going home is not failure if you're going home to
regroup and lay back out, you know, lay the plan
back out, what's next. So I continue to jump when
my soul tells me to. I don't like to be uncomfortable.
I don't like being somewhere where I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I just I just go for it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I know God got my back and the higher
powers have my back. So I always do what the
higher powers lead, you know, because you might have in
your life and your mind that this is how my
life is going to be laid out, but it'll remix
because I was doing herd valves and now I'm in fashion.
So you know, the fear of jumping is something that
I just always go for it. Sometimes I get excited
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when I'm afraid of something because it once I take
that step, I it's like it's the level U of
me becoming who I truly am meant to be.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What's your sign?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Leo? Ah? My birthday is August twentieth, I'll be fifty three. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, look how God preserves.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, when you're a good person, your age better.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. Yes, look hout God preserves and not only that,
it's just it's so a message in what you said,
like you get you get uncomfortable with trying to stay
the same. Okay, what's next? Like what I'm gonna do?
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Like what's what? I haven't conquered that, and like I'm
thinking about doing it, and so I just want to say,
if I fail at it, I tried.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And I think people people out there that sit at
home and watch people and have the most awful, nasty,
evil viole opinions are people that that won't follow or
are afraid to go home and start over again. I'm not.
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That's why when I started out on the internet, like
my my content was ever starting out reading nobody. It
was never this or that. Now I got into the
reading and stuff because it was me defending myself. But
my content started out with me eating, me sharing my
life stories, me talking about you know what I'm saying,
and like, hey, I'm in this area in my life,
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I want to go to this place I'm changing. And
people started following me from that and just like, oh,
this girl funny, you you know, she's interesting, And then
like stuff started evolving evolving for me, and it was
the fact of I wanted to leave what I was
formerly doing. I was in the adult field I wanted
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to get out of because I was like, this is
not all that's for me, Like this is not the
only thing. Like God didn't create me just to do this.
I'm supposed to do everything that I saw in my vision.
And like, I believe that everything that you're doing or
you have done in your life, you probably saw it
in a vision somewhere. Do you vision board?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I actually, you know, I learned to be alone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
A lot of people are afraid to be alone, but
I notice when I'm alone, like I take truths by myself,
and I get the answers that I need when I'm
by myself. I went from just always having to be
in long term relationships and being somebody had to be
there to really learning how to be alone. And once
you get that, the answers just kind of fall into
place and you really get guidance. When you learn to
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be alone, you're able to hear the voice, or you're
able to feel or see the pictures clearly. Because I
do believe that things come to us as human beings
and dreams and pictures and like flashes and DejaVu. It's like,
wait a minute, I've seen this before, you know. And
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it's just like girl the time when it's quiet and
the window is closed and you're in the dark room,
and the same sacrifice. You have to give up things.
And then the answers started coming in. I noticed when
I give up things and really just focus and pray harder.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, I'll tell you what some stuff I give. You
don't have to interject into this. This is me. This
is why I like to talk in the interviews too,
because I can talk from the perspective of understanding what
you mean. There was a time like when I was
getting ready to buy a house, my first house. You know,
I went stale on sex. I went completely stale on
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sex because I was like, there's something that I want
and me being occupied Ryde and Dick was got hald
my mind all over the place and bo ways and shit.
I was like, Nah, let me unplug from this and
then ask the God, the universe, the creator, whatever it
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is that you want to call. Let me ask, Hey,
I want to do something. I want to go to
a different place in my life. I want to do
something else. Let me unplug these digs for me because
there's too much energy being plugged, too much outside other
energy being plugged into me. So let me unplug this,
let me chill, let me, let me then let me
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not even masturbate even, let me just get to a
spot to where I can think and then be like,
I want to buy a home. I want to change
my life. I do not want to be in this
a space no more. I did that. I didn't talk
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about it when I was vlogging. I just talked about, like,
you know, you know, me doing different spaces, going different
areas in my life or whatever whatever. And my house
didn't come easier to me, but it wasn't as difficult
as I thought it was going to be. And it
was because I had saw it in my spirit and
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the Creator put me on that path to get it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
But I needed to, you know, and maybe for some
people out there, that might mean you need to unplug.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
From listen sex.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I stopped smoking weed, I stopped drinking and just really
just showing the higher powers that you know, I'm serious
about this, that I want to change. And you get
mental clarity once you start letting go of things that
got a hold of you. Yeah, and even if you slip.
It's like now if I slip, because I'm human, I'm
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not perfect, but they don't have the same control of me.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That I I feel a couple of times, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But at least I have mental clarity and also knowing, okay,
real this thing back in and don't and don't allow
it to take full control of me.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Ever again, I.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Kind of go through that stuff like right now time
when I'm because you know, I go through phases of sex.
And I'm also very much so like in a space
where I don't let everybody touch I'm like, nah, when
I used to be hoish and like won't, used to
be harsh and stuff like oh boy, Now it's very
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much so like nah, I can't let you. You can't
touch me, you can't put your hands on me. Because
now I'm more understanding about energy and energy transfer. Yes,
I'm more what's the word I want to use, I'm
more not susceptible. I'm more aware of it. I'm aware
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of it, like because I remember me having sex with
somebody and I was angry, like for days and I'm like, bitch,
why why am I soul? I that Nigga transferred that
shit to me, and it threw me off my thought
process because I was so mad and I couldn't figure
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out why I was mad. And then it was just like, girl,
you shouldn't have fucked that boy. Girl, because your ass
is not over here. You done, you done, transferred, you
don't transfer whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, they just put that out recently to scientists that
you transfer. Basically, it's a.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Transfer of energy. That's why you got to be you
got to be people out here with these and I'm
not reading people with multiple partners because I was a girl. Girl.
I was multiplying partners two times two is four or
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four times for sixteen, sixteen times sixteen you know the
rest I was multiplying partners. But that just you know,
and I know Biblically it talks about how uh, every
person that you lay down with you get up with
it with whatever spirit they had whatever, you know, and
I know we you know whatever. I just know that
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I was mad and it was some ship. It threw
me off. I was unbalanced, you know, And I was like, Okay,
so now when I'm really trying to focus on getting something,
I'm focusing on on what this or hearing the spirit
I do what you do you come out of that
and be like, well, let me just cause I know
sex can throw me. I'm a Libra, okay, and baby,
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I know sex. I can get up. Oh, I'm a
Libra and I know that sex deem. It could get
on me and they can. It could call out the
darkness in me and it'll and I could be trapped
in it. And I believe that that's why in the
sex business I was so successful. See now I'm finna
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go there on my part talk talk talking to you.
I believe I was so successful in that business, in
that field when I was in there, because I had
something attached to me, because I was super successful in
that especially not being the status quo. I was always
called the BBW. I was always I found a niche
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that I capitalized off. I was fat, loud, I was
welling down, hairy in the areas or whatever, like while
everybody else was clean shaven and skinny. You know, I
always was. I always danced to the beat of my
own drum. But it was just like, and I believe
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that that same thing. And I don't need y'all. I
didn't end up audience talking to me about that bullshit
telling me you know that I have sold my soul
and some shit because you know, the girls to get
into that when you start talking about what you realize.
I used to hear this speak nected to the spirit
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when I used to walk the street. I used to
hear I was like, what that you know? Okay in
the back of this even when I'm in.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
This Wow, so and it you was protected.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That and it followed me all and follow me, which
brings me down to like I told Miss Tina when
she was here, the Spirit told me to go downstairs
time I was mad about George Floyd and that girl
Eanna Dior getting beat up in around the same time
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George Floyd was murdered, and the spirit told me, I
heard it, go downstairs and cuss, bitch, wow, go downstairs
in your basement and cuss and fuss and read and
talk about you being black withem. I did not know
that Beyonce was going to absorb that. I did not
know that. I had no idea that that was she
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was going to absorb that and be like, yes, I
had no idea. I just know the spirit told me
to cus, fuss and and release, and we got this.
We got this anthem forever, forever, forever. And it was
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the same way like when when I meet people, or
I meet or I meet or or I'm buying something,
the spirit I can hear it. I knew it about
Rue Paul. I knew it. I was fourteen years old
sitting on the floor Indian style, and the spirit said
to me, RuPaul is going to be your friend and
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y'all gonna work together. I was fourteen over here, like
who said that? But you you express this stuff and
you say this stuff out loud or what people start saying,
are you crazy? Or or you worshiped some something or
you But it's like no, Sometimes you gotta hold you
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gotta sit still and listen.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And and the thing is, we all get it, we all,
but if some of us just refuse to listen because
we want to go to the wrong direction, you know
what I mean. So that's how you because we all
you get the sense of go this way, go that way.
You get that right away, especially when you're leading down
the wrong path. But a lot of us be like,
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I'm gonna just go this way anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I love the way that you protect Beyonce.
I love it like you don't even if the shadows
you sit back in the shadow and you've been like mmm,
because I remember we were in we were in New
(31:06):
York at the City Winer show. You came out in
the magazine was interviewing me, and I love the way
that she was looking at me, but not looking at
me from the place of bitch, you better watch it.
It was just looking at me from the place of
that you got this madicine because they were asking me
things about Beyonce, and I was very much so I
(31:27):
was very clear, you know, not just because you were there.
I was very clear because I respect her as an artist.
I respect her for what she's done to the world,
you know. But I love the way that she was
looking at me, Like yes, Now we talked and you
told me that you were at a place once and
you heard some people saying some very nasty things about her,
(31:48):
and you told them like, hey, you told whoever was there, like, now,
don't let them know that I was there. Don't let
them know who I am. And I wanted to know
when you were listening to that stuff, you were listening
to it to hear like what what is it that?
What is the jealousy for or what is the thing for.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It was I was at a house party and these
guys were these two guys were talking really bad about her.
It was like the second tour and my friends that know,
they were like, and I was like, don't tell them, no,
I'm good, Like I'm not finna set up here and
be battling these boys. They got their opinion, that's their opinion.
When they finished, I gave the guy I was like,
(32:26):
there will be two tickets waiting under your name at
the Beyonce concert. And he went and he is now
a super fan. Heah Beyonce parties and all that. He
was crying when she came and some dangerously of love.
So it's just like, you know, what do you think?
(32:47):
I just want to know what do you think that
that that is with people?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What is it? Is it? A? Is it A? I
would love to be in your shoes.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Every is entitled to their opinion of what type of
genre music or whatever that I know, whoever their favorite
person is or whatever. But you know, my thing is
to say someone is not talented or just talk bad
about someone, and clearly that's not the case at all. Yeah,
But I mean everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, But when we were leaving the Cowboy Carter Tour,
we were in the car and all of us in
the car, and we were riding down the street and
we said, and I don't give a fuck what y'all
say down in the comments, kissed my ass. We said
that Beyonce is this generations Michael Jackson. That's the way
(33:44):
I feel. Because we watched the way four nights of Atlanta,
eighty thousand people, every city, every state, Beyonce tickets could
(34:07):
be ten thousand dollars. Those girls gonna pay that money.
We see the way that her name just moves the
things and the stuff that pierces me off is when
people are are attempting to criticize her or attempting to
(34:30):
put her in this space of like, well, you know,
or this one is better than this. And I always
say this, she is a black woman who has to
work ten times hard as a black person. Everything that
she has, she's earned that. And people don't know how
(34:56):
the industry works with any of that shit. Like anytime
you see black people anywhere holding any space or any
the scrutiny and the the way that people make it
where you you have to like, you can't give a
little bit, you can't. The set got to be the biggest,
(35:18):
the large.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It got to be.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It has to be because you already judged from a
place up. Let me see how she's gonna do that.
Let me see how they're gonna do that. Let's see
how that's gonna work. And then they'll take the same
energy and then they'll say, looking at somebody else that
(35:40):
does half of that a fragment of that. This is
the greatest thing I've ever seen. Even me, I keep
playing spaces and stuff like that. It's just like that
was cute. It's that girl. That's why I actually you
(36:00):
how difficult it was for you to have to beat
the look like to beat the cause it's just like
they looking at at your girls and you know you
doing this, and I like that. You said, what kept
you grounded was I was just I was just challenging me.
I wasn't challenging them. I was challenging me because you know,
(36:23):
with her, she's not looking at what the last person
is doing. She's looking at what she's done the last time.
And like I said, when you get to a space
where you're looking at other people's and comparing yourself. That's
where the depression and all the stuff, that's where you
start slacking. You gotta look at what you did and
try to outdo that.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And she I just be amazed because that's how wonderful
she is, because I'd be like, you came in upside
down last time?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
How you gonna come in? What's next? Like how you
go out do that? You dancing the ring of fire?
How you're gonna outdo that?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And she just tends to always outdo it. And that's
why I admire and I'm just so proud of her
because just to see and to hear like when she
was younger with the talks of what she wanted to do,
and she's an accomplished way beyond all those things.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
And I'm just really really proud of her.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Do you gag?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I still gag?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You gagging?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Like every time when I when I you.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Know, coming back, and I'm just like, I just look
at her in awe because it's like she's just an
amazing person all around and humble and.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Just a hard worker, and it motivates me to do
better and be better.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And anybody that's able to be in her space or
touch her immediately get blessed and she's just all around.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Oh I know, I know she's an amazing when she's
an amazing artist, I'm so glad that she has you
in her life because you truly are there, You truly
are different. You protect her, you know, you protect her brain.
I love the way that you stand to the side
and you look. I'm telling you. When we was in
New York, he was looking and they were asking me
about the Beyonce. I think they were asking me something about,
(38:06):
oh god, what was it? But you was looking at
me and I was I was like, I got this.
Trust me, I got this. I know. I know that's
your sister and that's my sister too. I got this
because I understand. I understand. I understand that how people
be looking for little things like I get it. What's
(38:31):
next for you?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm working on a lot of projects. I have Skincare
coming out. I'm really excited about that. Eventually, going to
work on book number two and a lot of other
things that I can't legally talk about.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Okay, yeah, I'm working on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
My goal is to just I love making people feel
good and stamping my brand in that way and That's
why if you're following me on social media, you know
that like and so a lot of the things that
I'm doing is just motivational and uplifting that are coming
next good.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm gonna be there for for the whole things. You know.
I love when we have our private time or whatever.
We want you to come out to the house when
you know, when you get some time in Atlanta, so
Mama could cook cook you up some stuff. I remember
we said at Bevy's house Christmas. Yeah, and Bevy was
losing her mom, and I think that we were both
(39:28):
in an emotional space because I was talking to you about,
like when I'm on the road and my mom is, uh,
has mobility issues. I had to choose I want to
because I know my mom watched the show. She don't
like the word some words she don't like. So she
(39:50):
has mobility issues, and you know, and she's getting older
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
My mom has cancer and she's been balance cancer for
a couple of years now. She's still go to chemo
and all those things. And so that's what we were
all talking about. Just you know, when your superhero starts deteriorating,
gets really a tough one.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It is.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, she's she has moments where she's I feel like
she stopped fighting, but she's been fighting lately because she's
coming to Las Vegas. Yea, she just want to come
gamble now. She don't want to go to the show.
Therapist is like she's getting a plus. So she's doing
you know, I feel like, you know, dealing with cancer
(40:38):
and you know those type of things. It's important to
keep us, keep people happy to fight and also give
them reasons to live. And so I plan on just
giving her spot dates and stuff to keep her mobility
and make sure like, okay, we're going to Vegas. Okay next,
you know, do good so we can come here, because
you know, staying in the bed and not doing and
(41:00):
not moving you tend to you know, she take two steps,
she can barely breathe and stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But she's been doing really well.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
And I'm sorry for telling all your business, mom, but
I want you to do great, be better and do good.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
And she gonna do it because she gonna go down
there gamble up, yo, ma. So I'm in the last
part of the show. Time it's called ban it Bitch. Okay,
Now some people are out here banning drag shows, LGBTQ,
(41:38):
plus books and even our very existence. But we're flipping
the script. What's something you would band if you ran
the world. So here's how it works. We each get
one minute to make our case for what needs to go.
Let me kick it off to show you how it's done.
All right, so let me see what we talked about
(41:59):
in this com station. My name is TS Madison, and
if I rule the world, I would ban the metrics
on what's great and what's not. I would ban the
metrics on that because I get tired of putting my
(42:22):
best foot for with what I have and what I got,
and people say, oh, you could do better than that,
or that wasn't good enough, or you should look to
this one to do to do better. I would ban
the metrics on that because sometimes people are given all
what they got with what they have. I would ban
(42:46):
people judging people based off of what they think is
the status quo.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Well, and I would ban would ban them having the ability.
I mean you, you should have free speech. But girls,
shut the fuck up. You don't know what it takes
it to. You don't know what what, how how the
day starts, or what it takes to be and it says,
shut the fuck up, because a lot of times you
(43:18):
girls be talking from a from a place and don't
have no idea. You be talking from a spot and
if you if the shoe was on your foot, you
would fumble it. You couldn't hold the seat. And that's
what I would. God damn band.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know my thing is this I feel like, and
that's why I like, you know, I got approached to
a lot of the judging shows, like after the Grammys
talk about the fashion and this, this and this, and
I'm like, I just don't believe.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
In talking bad about people like this woman, she's up
for this award.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
She don't pay for hair makeup and this stuff ain't
cheap these days, and the stylists and you know, I
just feel like it's not right to talk bad about
people just period, just fashion choices and all those things.
And it's nothing wrong with having an opinion. I just
wish it would you weren't able to like post it
like I would ban negative comments, oh, negative comment negative,
(44:22):
And it's just something that you know, we're already dealing
with life itself, and so I just feel like some
things you just just keep to yourself and it's not
it's not fair for this woman to go on there
and she's feeling pretty. What I do have to say now,
as far as fashion is concerned, yeah, people gonna eat
you up. But I notice that it's about confidence. So
(44:46):
I feel like when I look at things, I'm like, oh,
she don't feel comfortable in that, you know what I mean.
So me being a stylist, I feel like, when you're
paying for the service, you still need to have a
voice and be like, just because it's Jivan, she look
number one that everybody's fighting over. You know, everybody don't
carry that those looks, you know, properly because they don't
feel confident. And I always say, we're not born with
(45:08):
clothes on. Our first outfit is our skin. So I
feel like getting the client to a place of feeling
comfortable and making sure they're part of the transaction so
when they hit the carpet, they feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
That's important.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes, Yeah, so you'd ban negative comments. Now, listen, we've
gotten past this. I do have maybe two more questions. Okay,
what makes a great stylist.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Question one, a great stylist is again, allowing your client
to be part of the transaction to me. I don't
just show up and say put this on. I'm like,
how do you want to feel? Do you want to
feel angelic? Do you want to feel sexy?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Do you want to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
And also finding out what the client's insecurities are and
get them to a place of not feeling insecure. You
might be like, I don't like my legs or my knees.
Let's do some hosiary or let do somebody makeup, or
let's just getting the person to place of just truly
loving themselves and being more confident.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
I don't like splits going up the side because I
have little marks from seal marks from where I've been
have cheal a silicone injection that I have dark little circles.
I don't like splits. And then there's sometimes that people
will want to make me something with a split and
I won't wear it.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Whether that's tricks, I know I have to that.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That was a bad joke. Also, like I don't like
the way sometimes things gather on me, like in my
stomach area because and I try to convey this to people,
like like I don't like that, I don't want to
wear that. I don't want to like, don't come over
here telling me because this is a brand, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That's good you have a voice. But some people you
can tell when they don't. They just like that.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
That's the hoighest stylist make make me up, you know
what I mean. But you still have to have a
voice in so you can carry yourself with confidence.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, because everybody I've seen some carpet looks, I'm like,
they don't they don't the way they're walking in and
they don't feel confident in that.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You can tell when somebody feel good and beautiful, you know,
And also a good stylist is okay with I feel
like everybody needs to communicate because if the makeup ain't right,
the looking right, if the hairing right, the look ain't right.
So it's like being able to not have a chip
on your shoulder and really communicate with each other and
make it work as a unit. Because some people be
(47:32):
like I killed that hair or I killed that makeup,
but it's like that dress is horrible, you know what
I mean, Or that makeup is horrible.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
So it's just like when you move, you should all
work together.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And even with me, like I don't believe a woman
should go to the carpet with a train and not
be out there like I was probably like the first
stylist to go out and make sure the train is
laid out.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I don't care how I look.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I care about these pictures are timeless and so now
all the stylists are out there, but I would literally
it was the first one. I used to have to
fight to be out there. They'd be like, sir, you
can't go this way. No, I know you're doing your job,
but I need to do mine. And I'll be out
there and laying those trains out on the girls because
it's important for those photos to not have a train
gathered like that's a train.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yes. That's why when they tell me I can't have
no plus one, I'll be like, nah, yeah, plus two.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, because it's important to make sure there's no slips and.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yes, and because they'll push you, they'll shove you right
out there.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Just know they'll shove you right out there on that carpet,
and as a black girl, you ain't got but one moment. Yeah,
and they'll catch you at the most terriblest things.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
That's what they look for.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And you need to tell them, hey, I
need a second hold up because I've been in those places.
I'm like, girl, I need to get my ship right,
like like you got me, you rushing me through here
because you're trying to get this other girl that's coming
through who's probably bigger name than me or whatever. But
(49:07):
I need I need my moment too, because I'm going
in those pictures too, bitch, and I don't want my
hit looking fucked up, right, And so I'd've been to
those spaces of work like, and I've been uncomfortable because
I ain't like what it was was. It's like, okay,
well let me get let me get my train out,
let me get that that horse hair the flu flew
(49:27):
out like that girl. Y'all need that.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
There.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Used to be so mad at me because they'd be like,
get out the way, get out the way. It's like
hold on, like you'll get it. You'll get it when
it's right. And so then they got used to me
being out there. But I used to go out there
and people be like, why you're not smiling. It's not
about me, it's about her. It's about whoever I'm out there,
whoever my client is. It's their moment it's not my moment.
When you see me smiling, it's because it's my moment
(49:52):
and I'm on the carpet, right.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
So my last question is as a as a stylist,
do you stay to the side and you you does
the makeup artist and the uh hair person have to
check in with you first?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
No, it just depends on how things work, you know,
it depends on the client, how the flow is. Like
if with me, I would be like, how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (50:20):
What's the look?
Speaker 2 (50:20):
But a lot of times wardrobe is first and hair
and makeup work around that. But it depends on if
the person is like, I'm cutting on my hair next week.
I'm going platinum blonde, so then I'll work around the hair.
So I've always been the type of person to work
around people just to make sure everything flows well.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
But again, that was a professional answer. Yeah, it got
to come through me. I need to see that. I
need to see that. Let me see what's looking like.
Because if the hair falling on the shoulders and I
gotta I gotta dress that come up like this, I
need the hair to be over here so that we
can see the I got her addressed. That's doing this. Yeah,
(51:02):
And the hat don't need to be laying on this
and no.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
We need to do up like yeah, but if you
have enough time. A lot of times you don't get
that amount of time. So it's just like if you
have time to plan out things, then if I get
it early enough, then I will contact hair and make
up and say this is a dress we're going for,
so they'll have time to work around it. But sometimes
you don't get a fitting until day of and so
you work around it. You kind of help each other.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, but you're still gonna tell them move that yes,
off of that thing, Yeah, because this has this this
look has to be yeah, immaculate, and that one little
hair sitting over here can mess that whole thing up.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yep, it's true.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, it has been a pleasure. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Bays.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
I love I didn't dig too deep, did I know
you did? Y'all got a lot to cut. I love
you and I'm so proud of you. I'm really really
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Thank you you. Listen, We've always supported each other. You've
supported me a lot. I love the fact that you
knew I was on cozy and didn't say nothing to me.
We had seen each other and everything you ain't saying nothing.
That's why I was like, yeah, I love that. I
love the way you protect her. I love that. And
I'm just now narrowing my team down to people who
(52:29):
really protect me, who really have my best interest, who
really loved me, because that's a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, you got to have peace of mind with your
team and knowing that if you're not there, they're fighting
battles for you. Yeah, it's important because to have that
sense of home.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, yeah, I love you. I love you down when
we get back to God them. When you come from
Vegas and you come over there to Atlanta, come over there.
You can fix you something. I'm vegetarian, Mom, No, but
I can eat. I know you don't want to hear that,
but Mom, I eat the sides. Okay, listen, listen, work
with me. If you do greens, don't put me in
(53:09):
it for me, no, listen, the yams. I can eat
mashed potatoes with green I could eat stuff. I just
can't eat stuff with meat and it. Mom, So just
and the green beans. Mom, you could do.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Just work with me, mam. I can eat the sides.
Just don't put meat in all the sides.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
And Oh my god, I'm not I'm going to carry you.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Geese. Just work with me, Mom, just making me the sides, please,
I love you.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Do want to eat nothing but grass cabbage. I like
cabbage with no meat. Where y'all started all of this shit?
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah? Fried okre is my favorite?
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh god, chicken. It's a lot of stuff et damn Ma,
and she gonna do all that, thank you. And that's
the ship that pieced me off with my mama. She
gonna do all that. Ain't gonna be no meat in
the greens.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
But okay, look for my family on Thanksgiving, they make
a separate pot. So when they making it, they just
scoop it out and then they at the meat to
the bigger pot.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
It works, y'all. This has been out lost with ts Master,
I guess has been the illustrious tie Honey. We'll see y'all.
So I love you, Ty, I love godic Oh my god.
(54:51):
Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart
Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment, created by Tyler Rabinowitz and
Olivia I'm Your host Tias Madison. We are executive produced
by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tis Madison. Our supervising
producer is Jessica Krincch and our producers are Joey pat
(55:12):
and Common Moral. Our video editor is Tyler Rabinno Wiz
and our sound editor is just Crimechic. Our associate producer
is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producers assistant
Daniel Rabinowitz. Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.
Our show art is by Pablo Martini. Got You Next Week, Honey,
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