August 5, 2023 • 27 mins
OUTWEIGH: We are back with our final follow-up to a topic that Amy and Leanne talked about a few weeks ago: How to have BOTH: a healthy relationship with food and your body AND begin to work towards the goals that are important to you (aka getting stronger, fitter, etc).
In that episode, Amy and Leanne explained that you absolutely can go set goals for yourself, but they invite you to take a sabbatical from typical goal-setting and “go-getting” and go heal your relationship with food and your body FIRST and rewire your brain….and then with THAT new brain and that NEW relationship with food and your body….then head in the direction of body-changing and weight loss or whatever goals you have in mind. But don’t skip over the healing phase.
That being said, it’s also important to talk about HOW to do just that… and what that actually looks like practically (including the “why behind the what”).
In this episode of Outweigh, health and fitness expert Holly Baxter is back on the show to to talk about setting goals AFTER your healing journey. She shares the most important things you need to know about making sure your healing journey stays front-of-mind, the mistakes to avoid along the way, and some pivotal advice to take into consideration if you are ready to focus on setting goals again AFTER you’ve healed from your own disorder.
CONTENT WARNING: Here at Outweigh we want to be sensitive to the fact that some of this subject matter might be a little bit confrontational for some of you on your healing journey, but we didn’t want to just NOT talk about it, or avoid these important subjects altogether. Because, wherever you are on your healing journey, at some point in time, you might be ready for whatever YOUR next step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing on new outcomes.
And most of what’s out there in the modern day world to meet you in those goals is a surefire way to bring you back down the road of toxicity and disorder, and we didn’t want to leave you hanging like that. So if you are in that place in your healing journey, and you’re ready to look at what’s next, this interview series shares a perspective on how to do just that– while still keeping your mental and emotional health AND your healing journey front and center.
So this is just a bit of a heads up that we are going to be covering some topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast, but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show you how to view these once-controversial or difficult topics in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that your healing journey stays front and center. That's if or when you are ready. And if you’re not there yet, that is absolutely OK as well, and we simply invite you to tuck this information in your back pocket (or just skip it altogether right now) and just know it’s there when you’re ready. Because here at Outweigh, we always want you to feel safe to be exactly where you are, and we will always try to meet you there.
HOST: Leanne Ellington // @leanneellington // StresslessEating.com
GUEST: Holly Baxter // @Hhollytbaxter // @teamhollytbaxter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out be outwait everything that
I'm made, don won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning love who I am again. I'm strong, I
feel free, I know every part of me. It's beautiful
and that will always out way if you feel it,
(00:24):
but yours are. She'll some love to the view I
get there, say go day An, did you and die
out way? Hey? Out way listeners?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Leanne Ellington here and before we dive into our interview series,
I wanted to give you some context for what you're
about to hear. I also just wanted to hold space
and be sensitive to the fact that some of this
subject matter might be a little bit confrontational or triggering
for some of you that are on your healing journey.
That being said, I didn't want to just not talk
(00:57):
about it or avoid these important subjects all day other,
because wherever you are on your own healing journey, at
some point you might be ready for whatever your next
step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing
on new outcomes. And let's be honest, most of what's
out there in the modern day world to meet you
in those goals is a surefire way to bring you
(01:19):
back down the road of disorder and toxicity, and I
didn't want to leave you hanging like that. So if
you are in that place in your healing journey and
you're ready to look at what's next, this interview series
shares a perspective on how to do just that while
still keeping your mental and emotional health and your healing
journey front and center. And if you're not there yet,
(01:42):
that is absolutely okay as well. And I simply invite
you to just tuck this information in your back pocket
or just skip it all together right now and just
know that it's there when you're ready. And you know, truthfully,
just thinking back ten or fifteen years ago, the subjects
that we're going to be covering in this interview series
might have triggered me a little bit based on where
I was in my journey, and that is totally okay
(02:03):
if that's the case for you too, So yeah, I
just wanted to give you a little bit of a
heads up that we are going to be covering some
topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast,
but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show
you how to view these once controversial or difficult topics
in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that
(02:25):
your healing journey stays front and center. And again that's
only if or when you're ready, because hear it out waigh.
We always want you to feel safe to be exactly
where you are, and we will always try to meet
you there. So with that being said, let's dive into
the interview series.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Happy Saturday out Way.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It is Leaonne Ellington and I am back here with
the amazing Holly Baxter. And if you miss the first
two episodes with Holly, definitely go back and listen. I
want to be sensitive to the fact that you know
some of the information that we're sharing on these episodes.
You know, depending on where you are in your journey,
it might be a little bit confronting, or it might
have some terminology or verbiage that you might not necessarily
(03:07):
be ready for. And so we want to just be
appreciative of where you are in your journey, but also
give you permission to, you know, take what you need,
spit out the rest, leave the rest, and then what
did they say?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She won those meat? Spit out the bones and just.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Take what you need from these conversations. So what we're
going to do is we're going to put a bow
around this concept of two things can be true at
the same time, where you know, you might be on
the other side of or still in the midst of
your healing journey, but you are ready to have some
goal setting.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What are the questions that you need to be asking?
And then from you know, this is this is Holly
and her team's air of expertise. They work with women
day and day out who are on this journey, and
I think it takes a very special individual to work
with people like us because you know, again there's so
much toxicity and extremism out in the fitness industry. And
that's why I really, you know, trust Holly, and that's
(03:58):
why I'm bringing on her on here to share her
expertise because she's she's been there herself, She's worked with
so many women that have gone through it themselves. And
then there is you know, special considerations for women that
really are on that healing journey. So I just want
to turn it over to you and just kind of like,
let's get the conversation role and when it comes to Okay,
I'm in the midst of healing or I feel like
(04:19):
I really am there and I do want to have
a goal again, but I want to do it in
a really you know, freedom driven, healthy, healed way.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What does that look like? You know what? I think.
I really struggled with this myself for the longest time.
I know, as I kind of came out from you know,
this diet culture where I was obsessed with being lean,
and you know, I'm in this physique world, you know,
competing as a bodybuilder, I found myself you know, really
anti dieting, and there was a point where I questioned
(04:51):
my own practice. I was like, how am I to
be in this space where I'm still telling people what
to do with their bodies? And after some time pondering
you know, these thoughts and concepts, I realized, you know what,
I can actually do two things at once. I don't
think that we have to have such dichotomy in this space.
We don't have to be all or nothing. Why can't
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people have a healing journey and then feel like they're
ready to take this you know, goal back and into
their hands, but with a more balanced approach. So I
truly believe and I truly sit on the middle of
the fence here. I am never going to you know,
judge somebody or critique them for wanting to do you know,
(05:31):
professional bodybuilding. In fact, I still to this day, may
still continue to do you know, my own competitions. But
I am in the place now where I can appreciate
my body for everything else outside of how it looks.
But I also recognize that there are some people that
that is the last thing they need to be doing,
and they need to be focusing on healing and improving
their relationship with food and you know, working on their
(05:54):
confidence and how they feel about themselves and re establishing
you know, what normal looks like for them when it
comes to choosing foods on a day to day basis.
So I think one thing that a lot of people
you know have asked me at least is you know,
how do I and when do I, you know, start
having a goal again? Is it right? Is there a
(06:15):
wrong time? And what does that look like? So I
think to kind of talk about this, I want to
cover maybe like the four different concepts that at least
we work with with our clients. So one of them
obviously is fat lost. We also have our reverse dieting,
which we talked on last week's episode or reversing, and
then we have muscle building, and then there's also this
wonderful thing called maintenance, and I think the step for everybody.
(06:40):
And there may be some caveats to this, and I
probably will cover those at another time, but I think
for most of us, if you have just started to
kind of get to this point where you're feeling good
in yourself that you have being able to reintroduce, you know,
foods that were once on the forbidden list, and you're
starting to find your feet, you know, in your bigger body,
(07:01):
or maybe you're trying to you know, explore different dietary
patterns and behaviors and experimenting with meal timing and different
food patterns and choices. I think there is a lot
of value in spending some time at maintenance because lots
of us have always had a goal. We've always had
(07:21):
a goal of trying to improve or change or be different,
or lose weight or lose fat. So I think one
of the biggest challenges to know that you are truly
ready is to be able to be happy in being
stagnant and staying within you know, a range of say
one to two percent of your body weight. So that's
the number that I like to use with my clients
(07:43):
that are at maintenance. It's the number that I use.
But there is no real right or wrong. I think,
you know, in my experiences, I personally have had a
period where I was at maintenance, or at least claiming
to be at maintenance, and my weight oscillated by about
twelve pounds. So some people might look at that and go, oh,
my lord, that's a lot. But for me, like I
(08:05):
was really trying to learn and feel out, you know,
how am I able to be my best self wherever
I am? And I think everybody needs to have a
period of time where they can redefine who you are,
relearn how you like to eat, What is your lifestyle
right now compared to what it was five ten years ago.
(08:27):
How you used to choose to eat or believe that
you needed to eat might be very different for the
lifestyle that you live right now. I know for me,
like I used to love cooking. I have many cooking books,
but I can't tell you the last time that I
was in the kitchen and like made a four course
or a three course meal for anybody. It's been a
long time because I'm really busy. So now I'm that
(08:48):
person that has takeout probably five days a week, believe
it or not. So you know, it's constantly evolving, and
I think we need to give ourselves space and time
to sit in maintenance and be okay with whatever the
outcome is, whilst relearning to find who you are and
(09:09):
how you like to eat and what balance looks like
for you. Lanne, I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Some thoughts on this, No, I just also think it's
a beautiful opportunity to practice the new a new level
of acceptance of just accepting where you are, who you are,
what is without being in a rush to shift it
or change it. I think it's a really beautiful opportunity
that maintenance.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Please. Yeah, And I think a lot of us tend
to jump the gun a little bit, and I want
to I'll speak for myself. Maybe Allienn you can. You
can jump in on this as well, But I'll speak
for myself. Maybe Allienne you can, you can jump in
on this as well. But I know when I thought
I was ready, I wasn't ready. So I actually made
(09:54):
the mistake. And it's okay to make mistakes, you know,
that's you know, you have to try to learn right.
So I jumped back into you know, a diet phase,
perhaps a little bit too early in my healing process,
and I realized that, okay, I actually don't feel very
good doing this. I think I need to go back
to this place of just maintenance for a little while.
(10:14):
I was starting to reintroduce some of those negative, you know, beliefs.
I was starting to practice some of those unhealthy behaviors
that I used to carry, and I was like, you
know what, I know that there is regression, but I
think this isn't the best decision for me right now.
I actually I need to accept this and it's okay,
it's not failure. This is a big lesson and a
(10:34):
teaching moment for me. I'm going to go back. And
that's exactly what I did. I spent another six months
where I didn't even think about, you know, starting any
kind of diet, and that was it was a really
great thing because I have now done another one eighty
on the way that I like to eat. So I
think maintenance would be my step one for many people.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Amazing what would be the next phase.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So I think if you have spent some time, you know,
re establishing what your new normal looks like, and not
just in the sense of your nutrition, but also you
know what kind of pressures am I putting on myself
from my exercise? You know, have I learned how to
you know, be flexible with when I push? You know,
when I'm going for you know, an intentional hard week
(11:21):
where I will want to do some building or you know,
have I learned the art of being able to pull
back give myself some compassion during busy times of my life?
You know, when I'm feeling really stressed, when I have
a lot of things going on, I'm always kind of
looking to, you know, get feedback from you know, other
areas in my life as to whether you know, am
(11:41):
I am I really at balance right now? So if
you have gotten to that place where you're like, yep,
I can do this. I know when to put the
brakes on. I know when I can put the accelerator down,
then I would say it might be fine for you
to step back into either fat loss and or you
could step into building. There isn't a god or wrong here.
I think it really depends on what your individual goals are.
(12:04):
I think for most women, all of us can afford
to have a little bit more, you know, muscle mass
or strength for energy, and to increase our basal metabolic rate,
our metabolism, to afford us more food. Because obviously we're
very social beings. It's nice to be able to you know,
indulge and have that as something that we can look
forwards to. We don't have to demonize that food still,
(12:25):
you know, it's about trying to reintroduce it into our lives.
So I think that building can also be a really
advantageous pathway to you know, making some more improvements in
our life. So again, I think there's no right or
wrong here, but if you have a physique goal in mind,
(12:45):
I think it's really important to take it slowly. Let's
not jump straight back into the behaviors that you used
to do. And I have seen this all the time,
and that's you know, when I'll kind of have to
say to a client, Hey, you know, I know that
you're wanting to see more results this week, But if
we do the other way, that's the old way, you know,
(13:06):
and how did that serve you? How did that leave
you feeling? So this is about like trying this approach now,
but with a more neutral or a balanced mindset. You know,
without a disorder driving your behaviors. So fat loss can
be a whole new, you know, experience for somebody, but
challenging again, but for good things, for good reasons. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And that's one of the things I loved about working
with you is because you know, first of all, I
hired you for nine months when we first start working together,
and I had, like, to the outside perspective, you know,
if I was living in a disordered world, I probably
could have reached my goal in you know, twelve weeks,
but I was like, no, I want to play the
long game. But one of the things I loved about
all of our check ins is you were always like
how are you feeling? Like, how are you hungry? Are
(13:52):
you grumpy? How's your spirit? How's your you know, body feeling?
Because I've had lots of you know, skeletal stuff, And
when I came to you, I was like, Hey, this
is first and forem most is my relationship with food,
my relationship with my body.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And I also want to learn how.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To set goals again, you know, And you were and
I mean I knew before I even met you that
you were the perfect person helped me with that. But
it was just such a breath of fresh air because
even in the goal setting and I went through pretty
much all of those phases with you, you know, from
the maintenance to the reversing, to the to the you know, we.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Did fat loss phase as well.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was just first and foremost, it was always about
staying healthy and peace of mind and free and there
was just no extremism. But it was also I had
the safety of knowing that you were taking care of
the evidence based side of it for me. So I
think there's just something to be said about doing again,
playing the long game, but doing in a way where
if you are going into goal setting, remembering what comes
(14:45):
first is your health, your peace of mind, and really
knowing that these are just tools to help you create
more of that, and being mindful of when you when
you have a slippery slope, you know. Like I think
there was one time where I was like, Hey, I'm
going to just take an active rest this week, like
I know I'm prescribed for this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You were like, yes, let's do it, like you know,
go to your.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I was doing flip takes and getting a massage and
like all the things is I just needed it, and
I could feel that my body was just like needed
that and you were. I mean, it wasn't even like
I needed permission from you. I had your blessing, you know.
And I just wish that more practitioners thought that way,
because it has to be this ongoing, integrative process that
meets you in your real world life, you know, including
if you notice yourself slipping back into slippery you know, slopes,
(15:27):
because again, this healing journey is not linear. And yes,
we are talking about what happens when you're setting goals
on the other side of a healing journey, but just
know that you want to be mindful that just because
you have, you know, a pattern that feels like you're regressing,
doesn't mean that you are regressed. Like you can have
these little and they really just become data of like,
oh that is something that maybe I'm not ready for,
(15:48):
Maybe I need to do it a little bit more
modestly or slowly or whatever. So and that is the
beauty of working with somebody that knows what they're doing
and knows how to really meet you where you are.
And again, such a pattern interrupt in the industry and
not here to you know, dog the health and fitness industry,
there's a lot of amazing experts out there, but a
lot of them are really just like very fat loss
focus and very like Herder faster more focused in getting
(16:09):
you that air quotes physique and you know, six weeks
or less or whatever it is, and it's it just
harms all all of this work. So every phase that
Holly's describing here, it's it's used to contribute to the healing,
not take you away from that. Just really want to
emphasize that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, I think I have certainly kind of stepped back
from like the extremism, and I know, like I would
be total hypocritive. I'd said that at some point in
my own practices in my early career that I wasn't
the person that was on the you know, coaching and
giving advice to a client saying well you just need
to do better this week. You know, I'm certainly never
(16:46):
been I'm not an nasty person at all. I think
I've always been very compassionate in caring. But you know,
I was so used to being a physique competitor and
like I'm set on I've got all these deadlines, and
like my competitions were on specific date, so I always
had to operate with this you know, extreme approach. And
for most of the clients that we're working with now,
(17:06):
they're not competitors. They're the everyday person. They're the mom
of three kids, they're you know, the single working professional
that you know works the seventy eighty hour week and
is trying to you know, find a better relationship with
food and feel better about our body. So I really
think that it's important, like with every check in that
I do with a client, and like the same in
your case, it's well, what's going on for you this week?
(17:29):
You know, how's your schedule? You know, is it realistic
that we go for a push this week? Because you know,
we might have mapped out this nice trajectory of how
things might look, but ultimately that's just a guy. This
is our framework, but life happens, and we've got to
be flexible with that. So you know, there there are
certainly approaches that we can do. And in some situations,
(17:52):
you know, I've worked with a half dozen clients that
they're single, they're not you know, in a relationship, they
don't have children. You know, they're high income earners and
and they have a lot more flexibility than the average person.
So in those cases, I might be able to say, okay,
we can we can probably push and do something that
the average person might not be able to do. And
(18:12):
then I'm also having conversations at the same time with
the busy mom that's also a dentist, and you know,
she's trying to manage your marriage and she's got traveled
to conferences every other weekend, and I have to be
able to say to it then well, you know, we
had this great, you know, schedule mapped out, but you know,
it's okay to slow down. It's okay. You have permission.
(18:35):
You don't need it from me. You need to give
it to yourself to take things a little bit easier.
This week. We're not going to go for the one
percent weight loss this week. We're going to drop down
to point four and that's okay. Or we're taking a
break this week. We're going to go and have a
diet break, a period maintenance where we intentionally take your
calories back up so that you can come up for air.
(18:56):
And that is really hard, I think for a lot
of people that have been used to seeing, you know,
dramatic changes in their body and on the scale. So
I mean, that's the wonder of having a coach. You know,
we are here to you know, guide a safe and
efficacious practice, but also help you identify when you might be,
you know, pushing for something that's not realistic. You know,
(19:17):
my goal and job is to help people set realistic
expectations given their circumstances and given exactly where they are
on their genney of healing.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and coming from you and your coaches. There's that
compassion side of it too that's oftentimes not you know,
there's a lot of that attitude of like, well, if
they just want it badly enough, they'll do it, And
it's like, no, there's that compassion element that's so paramount
in coaching that you don't even realize it until you
have it. Yeah, And just kind of the picture I
(19:49):
want to paint here overall is, you know a lot
of people think about goal setting, and you mentioned four
different concepts and phases that you take your clients through,
the maintenance, the muscle building, the reverse, and the fat
loss phase. And I think most people are and not
to you know, speculate, but I think most people are
coming to the conversation thinking that goal setting is just
the fat loss side of it, and it's No, it's
(20:10):
so much more than that. And oftentimes I'm sure with
your clients. I know, for me, we spent way more
time reversing and in maintenance than I was in a
fat loss you know, yet my body composition changed so
much because I was feeding in I was you know,
like lifting heavier and my body was getting stronger, and
I was also working on you know, staying and maintaining
being pain free and all of those things. I really
want you all to get. This is like when you
(20:32):
are at that point where you're thinking about goal setting,
this might be revolutionary to you where you're like, oh,
there's a concept of like shifting my body but also
in maintenance mode and shifting my body but also while
reversing and shifting my body but in a muscle building phase.
Like it's not just about eat less, move more and
stripping fat. Like, there's so much more that goes into it,
especially if you want to have this life long, forever
(20:53):
kind of conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, and I think, you know, I want to actually
bring in the concept of body recomposition as well. So
this concept is a little bit nuanced, and you know,
you get some people that are pro yes, you can
have body recomposition. Some people are low you can't do
body recomposition, it doesn't exist. But in my experience is
this is also something that absolutely does take place if
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we are just staying at maintenance, and even more so
for the person that might have a little bit more
body fat, then this is actually like the best time
to stay at maintenance because if we think about you know,
what drives and what governs you know, muscle building, Well,
first off, we do need to have that stimulus, so
we need to be doing the resistance training to fatigue
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the muscle that we want to signal to grow. But
that only happens, you know, fifty percent if we're not
also supporting that with our nutrition, and we need to
have energy available to be able to petition towards growing
a muscle. So even for somebody right now, if you know,
you know that you're still and deep down you need
(21:59):
to stay out of deficit because there's things that you
need to work on with your healing journey. And I
totally respect that that it is an infuriating time from
any very frustrating, it's slow, it's tedious, but it's such
an important time for learning. But that doesn't mean that
because you're not in fat loss that you're not also
able to make positive transitions and changes to your body
(22:21):
because if you have anybody fat on your body, and
most of us do just staying at maintenance whilst working
on your self development, whilst working on how you feel
about your body, while you're preaching your you know, your
daily affirmations and your mantras about you know who you
really are, you can still be making positive changes to
your body composition because you've got energy available that can
(22:45):
be put towards the use and purpose of building muscles.
So you don't have to go into a building phase,
nor do you have to go into a reversing phase.
You can stay if you are more comfortable, you can
state it now, is it as effective as going into
an intentional muscle building place. Probably not a little bit
(23:07):
more of an energy cirple, it's actually having a little
bit more body fat will facilitate that the speed of
muscle growth. But we've also got to take it at
your pace. You know, everybody's at a different place. So
that's the beauty of this. We've got all these options
and it's about finding out what works for you.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely, yeah, And I think to some people it might
actually be a bit of a relief to think about,
like wait a minute, if I don't even what if
I take my eyes and my gaze off of like
food generally and put that focus on like getting you know,
passionate about movement or finding something. Because I know a
lot of women that I work with it's a big
thing of like finding something that they enjoy. And it's
(23:46):
almost like they have to go experiment and like start
over and be a freshman, and it's a beautiful opportunity
to go find what you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, I think at least in my experiences and a
lot of my clients, you know, the exercise and movement
like became mature. It was no longer something that they loved.
It became this thing that they had to do to
manipulate their body. And that's no way to live. We've
got to find things that you really enjoy. And even
for me as I sit here today, that is a
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learning process for me. I'm still on that journey. You know.
I am somebody that had a background of training five
or six days in the gym every week. I would
do three to four you know, high intensity cardio sessions.
You know in the peak of my competitions and now
I'm kind of juggling walking just walking on some days
and then other days I just do twenty minutes like
today on my peloton and that's all I'll do. And
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then other days I might do some lifting. And you know,
my frequency and cadence of different movement, it changes from
week to week because my schedule is different week to week.
And gosh, if you told me that that's how I
would be ten years ago, like sitting here totally cool
with like not really knowing how much movement I was
going to do, I would just laugh. But you know,
that is this beautiful journey that you get to, you know,
(24:57):
re experiment and relearn who you are and what you
like and what amount of movement feels good for you.
And then that we bring that all into context when
it comes to setting our goals. So how much time
can you commit to doing some exercise? How much do
you want to commit to doing exercise? Because those the
things are different because we all have other values. I,
for one, value my social life, So you know, being
(25:20):
able to get out and see friends and go out
for meals and catch up and do fun things. That's
really important for some people They're like, you know what
I can do without that? Give me then extra training session.
I'm committed. So you know, we all sit in different places,
and I think it's a really great time to relearn
your autonomous, you know, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, ah, so well said, and I'm so glad that
we're talking about this because again, I know for some
of you listening, this might not be where you are,
but for those of you that are that are there,
I want you to hear all of the three dimensions
of this and how it can look and how it
can show up in your healing journey and still align
with the version of yourself that you've decided to be
and not regress you to those old habits that might
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be a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And you can have it all.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So thank you so much for being here the past
few weeks. You've had just a wealth of knowledge. Where
can people find you?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So you need to head over to my Instagram. It
is just Holly Tea Baxter. So I've got a link
with all of our different products and services, our coaching team,
our books, our references, our education, all that good stuff,
and my coaching team, which is a team Holly Tea
Baxter so we've got all of our professionals and educators
posting daily, all evidence based content for free for you
(26:33):
guys to be your best selves. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, thank you so much for being here, thanks for
sharing your wealth of knowledge. You can find me over
at stresslesseating dot com. And this is Leanne Ellington signing
out for this week of outweigh See y'all next week.
We'll be back for two Things Can be True at
the same Time, Parts four through eight coming at you.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Bye bye four
I won't let my body out be outwait everything that
I'm made, don won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning love who I am again. I'm strong, I
feel free, I know every part of me. It's beautiful
and that will always out way if you feel it,
(00:24):
but yours are. She'll some love to the view I
get there, say go day An, did you and die
out way? Hey? Out way listeners?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Leanne Ellington here and before we dive into our interview series,
I wanted to give you some context for what you're
about to hear. I also just wanted to hold space
and be sensitive to the fact that some of this
subject matter might be a little bit confrontational or triggering
for some of you that are on your healing journey.
That being said, I didn't want to just not talk
(00:57):
about it or avoid these important subjects all day other,
because wherever you are on your own healing journey, at
some point you might be ready for whatever your next
step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing
on new outcomes. And let's be honest, most of what's
out there in the modern day world to meet you
in those goals is a surefire way to bring you
(01:19):
back down the road of disorder and toxicity, and I
didn't want to leave you hanging like that. So if
you are in that place in your healing journey and
you're ready to look at what's next, this interview series
shares a perspective on how to do just that while
still keeping your mental and emotional health and your healing
journey front and center. And if you're not there yet,
(01:42):
that is absolutely okay as well. And I simply invite
you to just tuck this information in your back pocket
or just skip it all together right now and just
know that it's there when you're ready. And you know, truthfully,
just thinking back ten or fifteen years ago, the subjects
that we're going to be covering in this interview series
might have triggered me a little bit based on where
I was in my journey, and that is totally okay
(02:03):
if that's the case for you too, So yeah, I
just wanted to give you a little bit of a
heads up that we are going to be covering some
topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast,
but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show
you how to view these once controversial or difficult topics
in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that
(02:25):
your healing journey stays front and center. And again that's
only if or when you're ready, because hear it out waigh.
We always want you to feel safe to be exactly
where you are, and we will always try to meet
you there. So with that being said, let's dive into
the interview series.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Happy Saturday out Way.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It is Leaonne Ellington and I am back here with
the amazing Holly Baxter. And if you miss the first
two episodes with Holly, definitely go back and listen. I
want to be sensitive to the fact that you know
some of the information that we're sharing on these episodes.
You know, depending on where you are in your journey,
it might be a little bit confronting, or it might
have some terminology or verbiage that you might not necessarily
(03:07):
be ready for. And so we want to just be
appreciative of where you are in your journey, but also
give you permission to, you know, take what you need,
spit out the rest, leave the rest, and then what
did they say?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She won those meat? Spit out the bones and just.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Take what you need from these conversations. So what we're
going to do is we're going to put a bow
around this concept of two things can be true at
the same time, where you know, you might be on
the other side of or still in the midst of
your healing journey, but you are ready to have some
goal setting.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What are the questions that you need to be asking?
And then from you know, this is this is Holly
and her team's air of expertise. They work with women
day and day out who are on this journey, and
I think it takes a very special individual to work
with people like us because you know, again there's so
much toxicity and extremism out in the fitness industry. And
that's why I really, you know, trust Holly, and that's
(03:58):
why I'm bringing on her on here to share her
expertise because she's she's been there herself, She's worked with
so many women that have gone through it themselves. And
then there is you know, special considerations for women that
really are on that healing journey. So I just want
to turn it over to you and just kind of like,
let's get the conversation role and when it comes to Okay,
I'm in the midst of healing or I feel like
(04:19):
I really am there and I do want to have
a goal again, but I want to do it in
a really you know, freedom driven, healthy, healed way.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What does that look like? You know what? I think.
I really struggled with this myself for the longest time.
I know, as I kind of came out from you know,
this diet culture where I was obsessed with being lean,
and you know, I'm in this physique world, you know,
competing as a bodybuilder, I found myself you know, really
anti dieting, and there was a point where I questioned
(04:51):
my own practice. I was like, how am I to
be in this space where I'm still telling people what
to do with their bodies? And after some time pondering
you know, these thoughts and concepts, I realized, you know what,
I can actually do two things at once. I don't
think that we have to have such dichotomy in this space.
We don't have to be all or nothing. Why can't
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people have a healing journey and then feel like they're
ready to take this you know, goal back and into
their hands, but with a more balanced approach. So I
truly believe and I truly sit on the middle of
the fence here. I am never going to you know,
judge somebody or critique them for wanting to do you know,
(05:31):
professional bodybuilding. In fact, I still to this day, may
still continue to do you know, my own competitions. But
I am in the place now where I can appreciate
my body for everything else outside of how it looks.
But I also recognize that there are some people that
that is the last thing they need to be doing,
and they need to be focusing on healing and improving
their relationship with food and you know, working on their
(05:54):
confidence and how they feel about themselves and re establishing
you know, what normal looks like for them when it
comes to choosing foods on a day to day basis.
So I think one thing that a lot of people
you know have asked me at least is you know,
how do I and when do I, you know, start
having a goal again? Is it right? Is there a
(06:15):
wrong time? And what does that look like? So I
think to kind of talk about this, I want to
cover maybe like the four different concepts that at least
we work with with our clients. So one of them
obviously is fat lost. We also have our reverse dieting,
which we talked on last week's episode or reversing, and
then we have muscle building, and then there's also this
wonderful thing called maintenance, and I think the step for everybody.
(06:40):
And there may be some caveats to this, and I
probably will cover those at another time, but I think
for most of us, if you have just started to
kind of get to this point where you're feeling good
in yourself that you have being able to reintroduce, you know,
foods that were once on the forbidden list, and you're
starting to find your feet, you know, in your bigger body,
(07:01):
or maybe you're trying to you know, explore different dietary
patterns and behaviors and experimenting with meal timing and different
food patterns and choices. I think there is a lot
of value in spending some time at maintenance because lots
of us have always had a goal. We've always had
(07:21):
a goal of trying to improve or change or be different,
or lose weight or lose fat. So I think one
of the biggest challenges to know that you are truly
ready is to be able to be happy in being
stagnant and staying within you know, a range of say
one to two percent of your body weight. So that's
the number that I like to use with my clients
(07:43):
that are at maintenance. It's the number that I use.
But there is no real right or wrong. I think,
you know, in my experiences, I personally have had a
period where I was at maintenance, or at least claiming
to be at maintenance, and my weight oscillated by about
twelve pounds. So some people might look at that and go, oh,
my lord, that's a lot. But for me, like I
(08:05):
was really trying to learn and feel out, you know,
how am I able to be my best self wherever
I am? And I think everybody needs to have a
period of time where they can redefine who you are,
relearn how you like to eat, What is your lifestyle
right now compared to what it was five ten years ago.
(08:27):
How you used to choose to eat or believe that
you needed to eat might be very different for the
lifestyle that you live right now. I know for me,
like I used to love cooking. I have many cooking books,
but I can't tell you the last time that I
was in the kitchen and like made a four course
or a three course meal for anybody. It's been a
long time because I'm really busy. So now I'm that
(08:48):
person that has takeout probably five days a week, believe
it or not. So you know, it's constantly evolving, and
I think we need to give ourselves space and time
to sit in maintenance and be okay with whatever the
outcome is, whilst relearning to find who you are and
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how you like to eat and what balance looks like
for you. Lanne, I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Some thoughts on this, No, I just also think it's
a beautiful opportunity to practice the new a new level
of acceptance of just accepting where you are, who you are,
what is without being in a rush to shift it
or change it. I think it's a really beautiful opportunity
that maintenance.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Please. Yeah, And I think a lot of us tend
to jump the gun a little bit, and I want
to I'll speak for myself. Maybe Allienn you can. You
can jump in on this as well, But I'll speak
for myself. Maybe Allienne you can, you can jump in
on this as well. But I know when I thought
I was ready, I wasn't ready. So I actually made
(09:54):
the mistake. And it's okay to make mistakes, you know,
that's you know, you have to try to learn right.
So I jumped back into you know, a diet phase,
perhaps a little bit too early in my healing process,
and I realized that, okay, I actually don't feel very
good doing this. I think I need to go back
to this place of just maintenance for a little while.
(10:14):
I was starting to reintroduce some of those negative, you know, beliefs.
I was starting to practice some of those unhealthy behaviors
that I used to carry, and I was like, you
know what, I know that there is regression, but I
think this isn't the best decision for me right now.
I actually I need to accept this and it's okay,
it's not failure. This is a big lesson and a
(10:34):
teaching moment for me. I'm going to go back. And
that's exactly what I did. I spent another six months
where I didn't even think about, you know, starting any
kind of diet, and that was it was a really
great thing because I have now done another one eighty
on the way that I like to eat. So I
think maintenance would be my step one for many people.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Amazing what would be the next phase.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So I think if you have spent some time, you know,
re establishing what your new normal looks like, and not
just in the sense of your nutrition, but also you
know what kind of pressures am I putting on myself
from my exercise? You know, have I learned how to
you know, be flexible with when I push? You know,
when I'm going for you know, an intentional hard week
(11:21):
where I will want to do some building or you know,
have I learned the art of being able to pull
back give myself some compassion during busy times of my life?
You know, when I'm feeling really stressed, when I have
a lot of things going on, I'm always kind of
looking to, you know, get feedback from you know, other
areas in my life as to whether you know, am
(11:41):
I am I really at balance right now? So if
you have gotten to that place where you're like, yep,
I can do this. I know when to put the
brakes on. I know when I can put the accelerator down,
then I would say it might be fine for you
to step back into either fat loss and or you
could step into building. There isn't a god or wrong here.
I think it really depends on what your individual goals are.
(12:04):
I think for most women, all of us can afford
to have a little bit more, you know, muscle mass
or strength for energy, and to increase our basal metabolic rate,
our metabolism, to afford us more food. Because obviously we're
very social beings. It's nice to be able to you know,
indulge and have that as something that we can look
forwards to. We don't have to demonize that food still,
(12:25):
you know, it's about trying to reintroduce it into our lives.
So I think that building can also be a really
advantageous pathway to you know, making some more improvements in
our life. So again, I think there's no right or
wrong here, but if you have a physique goal in mind,
(12:45):
I think it's really important to take it slowly. Let's
not jump straight back into the behaviors that you used
to do. And I have seen this all the time,
and that's you know, when I'll kind of have to
say to a client, Hey, you know, I know that
you're wanting to see more results this week, But if
we do the other way, that's the old way, you know,
(13:06):
and how did that serve you? How did that leave
you feeling? So this is about like trying this approach now,
but with a more neutral or a balanced mindset. You know,
without a disorder driving your behaviors. So fat loss can
be a whole new, you know, experience for somebody, but
challenging again, but for good things, for good reasons. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And that's one of the things I loved about working
with you is because you know, first of all, I
hired you for nine months when we first start working together,
and I had, like, to the outside perspective, you know,
if I was living in a disordered world, I probably
could have reached my goal in you know, twelve weeks,
but I was like, no, I want to play the
long game. But one of the things I loved about
all of our check ins is you were always like
how are you feeling? Like, how are you hungry? Are
(13:52):
you grumpy? How's your spirit? How's your you know, body feeling?
Because I've had lots of you know, skeletal stuff, And
when I came to you, I was like, Hey, this
is first and forem most is my relationship with food,
my relationship with my body.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And I also want to learn how.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To set goals again, you know, And you were and
I mean I knew before I even met you that
you were the perfect person helped me with that. But
it was just such a breath of fresh air because
even in the goal setting and I went through pretty
much all of those phases with you, you know, from
the maintenance to the reversing, to the to the you know, we.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Did fat loss phase as well.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was just first and foremost, it was always about
staying healthy and peace of mind and free and there
was just no extremism. But it was also I had
the safety of knowing that you were taking care of
the evidence based side of it for me. So I
think there's just something to be said about doing again,
playing the long game, but doing in a way where
if you are going into goal setting, remembering what comes
(14:45):
first is your health, your peace of mind, and really
knowing that these are just tools to help you create
more of that, and being mindful of when you when
you have a slippery slope, you know. Like I think
there was one time where I was like, Hey, I'm
going to just take an active rest this week, like
I know I'm prescribed for this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You were like, yes, let's do it, like you know,
go to your.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I was doing flip takes and getting a massage and
like all the things is I just needed it, and
I could feel that my body was just like needed
that and you were. I mean, it wasn't even like
I needed permission from you. I had your blessing, you know.
And I just wish that more practitioners thought that way,
because it has to be this ongoing, integrative process that
meets you in your real world life, you know, including
if you notice yourself slipping back into slippery you know, slopes,
(15:27):
because again, this healing journey is not linear. And yes,
we are talking about what happens when you're setting goals
on the other side of a healing journey, but just
know that you want to be mindful that just because
you have, you know, a pattern that feels like you're regressing,
doesn't mean that you are regressed. Like you can have
these little and they really just become data of like,
oh that is something that maybe I'm not ready for,
(15:48):
Maybe I need to do it a little bit more
modestly or slowly or whatever. So and that is the
beauty of working with somebody that knows what they're doing
and knows how to really meet you where you are.
And again, such a pattern interrupt in the industry and
not here to you know, dog the health and fitness industry,
there's a lot of amazing experts out there, but a
lot of them are really just like very fat loss
focus and very like Herder faster more focused in getting
(16:09):
you that air quotes physique and you know, six weeks
or less or whatever it is, and it's it just
harms all all of this work. So every phase that
Holly's describing here, it's it's used to contribute to the healing,
not take you away from that. Just really want to
emphasize that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, I think I have certainly kind of stepped back
from like the extremism, and I know, like I would
be total hypocritive. I'd said that at some point in
my own practices in my early career that I wasn't
the person that was on the you know, coaching and
giving advice to a client saying well you just need
to do better this week. You know, I'm certainly never
(16:46):
been I'm not an nasty person at all. I think
I've always been very compassionate in caring. But you know,
I was so used to being a physique competitor and
like I'm set on I've got all these deadlines, and
like my competitions were on specific date, so I always
had to operate with this you know, extreme approach. And
for most of the clients that we're working with now,
(17:06):
they're not competitors. They're the everyday person. They're the mom
of three kids, they're you know, the single working professional
that you know works the seventy eighty hour week and
is trying to you know, find a better relationship with
food and feel better about our body. So I really
think that it's important, like with every check in that
I do with a client, and like the same in
your case, it's well, what's going on for you this week?
(17:29):
You know, how's your schedule? You know, is it realistic
that we go for a push this week? Because you know,
we might have mapped out this nice trajectory of how
things might look, but ultimately that's just a guy. This
is our framework, but life happens, and we've got to
be flexible with that. So you know, there there are
certainly approaches that we can do. And in some situations,
(17:52):
you know, I've worked with a half dozen clients that
they're single, they're not you know, in a relationship, they
don't have children. You know, they're high income earners and
and they have a lot more flexibility than the average person.
So in those cases, I might be able to say, okay,
we can we can probably push and do something that
the average person might not be able to do. And
(18:12):
then I'm also having conversations at the same time with
the busy mom that's also a dentist, and you know,
she's trying to manage your marriage and she's got traveled
to conferences every other weekend, and I have to be
able to say to it then well, you know, we
had this great, you know, schedule mapped out, but you know,
it's okay to slow down. It's okay. You have permission.
(18:35):
You don't need it from me. You need to give
it to yourself to take things a little bit easier.
This week. We're not going to go for the one
percent weight loss this week. We're going to drop down
to point four and that's okay. Or we're taking a
break this week. We're going to go and have a
diet break, a period maintenance where we intentionally take your
calories back up so that you can come up for air.
(18:56):
And that is really hard, I think for a lot
of people that have been used to seeing, you know,
dramatic changes in their body and on the scale. So
I mean, that's the wonder of having a coach. You know,
we are here to you know, guide a safe and
efficacious practice, but also help you identify when you might be,
you know, pushing for something that's not realistic. You know,
(19:17):
my goal and job is to help people set realistic
expectations given their circumstances and given exactly where they are
on their genney of healing.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and coming from you and your coaches. There's that
compassion side of it too that's oftentimes not you know,
there's a lot of that attitude of like, well, if
they just want it badly enough, they'll do it, And
it's like, no, there's that compassion element that's so paramount
in coaching that you don't even realize it until you
have it. Yeah, And just kind of the picture I
(19:49):
want to paint here overall is, you know a lot
of people think about goal setting, and you mentioned four
different concepts and phases that you take your clients through,
the maintenance, the muscle building, the reverse, and the fat
loss phase. And I think most people are and not
to you know, speculate, but I think most people are
coming to the conversation thinking that goal setting is just
the fat loss side of it, and it's No, it's
(20:10):
so much more than that. And oftentimes I'm sure with
your clients. I know, for me, we spent way more
time reversing and in maintenance than I was in a
fat loss you know, yet my body composition changed so
much because I was feeding in I was you know,
like lifting heavier and my body was getting stronger, and
I was also working on you know, staying and maintaining
being pain free and all of those things. I really
want you all to get. This is like when you
(20:32):
are at that point where you're thinking about goal setting,
this might be revolutionary to you where you're like, oh,
there's a concept of like shifting my body but also
in maintenance mode and shifting my body but also while
reversing and shifting my body but in a muscle building phase.
Like it's not just about eat less, move more and
stripping fat. Like, there's so much more that goes into it,
especially if you want to have this life long, forever
(20:53):
kind of conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, and I think, you know, I want to actually
bring in the concept of body recomposition as well. So
this concept is a little bit nuanced, and you know,
you get some people that are pro yes, you can
have body recomposition. Some people are low you can't do
body recomposition, it doesn't exist. But in my experience is
this is also something that absolutely does take place if
(21:16):
we are just staying at maintenance, and even more so
for the person that might have a little bit more
body fat, then this is actually like the best time
to stay at maintenance because if we think about you know,
what drives and what governs you know, muscle building, Well,
first off, we do need to have that stimulus, so
we need to be doing the resistance training to fatigue
(21:38):
the muscle that we want to signal to grow. But
that only happens, you know, fifty percent if we're not
also supporting that with our nutrition, and we need to
have energy available to be able to petition towards growing
a muscle. So even for somebody right now, if you know,
you know that you're still and deep down you need
(21:59):
to stay out of deficit because there's things that you
need to work on with your healing journey. And I
totally respect that that it is an infuriating time from
any very frustrating, it's slow, it's tedious, but it's such
an important time for learning. But that doesn't mean that
because you're not in fat loss that you're not also
able to make positive transitions and changes to your body
(22:21):
because if you have anybody fat on your body, and
most of us do just staying at maintenance whilst working
on your self development, whilst working on how you feel
about your body, while you're preaching your you know, your
daily affirmations and your mantras about you know who you
really are, you can still be making positive changes to
your body composition because you've got energy available that can
(22:45):
be put towards the use and purpose of building muscles.
So you don't have to go into a building phase,
nor do you have to go into a reversing phase.
You can stay if you are more comfortable, you can
state it now, is it as effective as going into
an intentional muscle building place. Probably not a little bit
(23:07):
more of an energy cirple, it's actually having a little
bit more body fat will facilitate that the speed of
muscle growth. But we've also got to take it at
your pace. You know, everybody's at a different place. So
that's the beauty of this. We've got all these options
and it's about finding out what works for you.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Absolutely, yeah, And I think to some people it might
actually be a bit of a relief to think about,
like wait a minute, if I don't even what if
I take my eyes and my gaze off of like
food generally and put that focus on like getting you know,
passionate about movement or finding something. Because I know a
lot of women that I work with it's a big
thing of like finding something that they enjoy. And it's
(23:46):
almost like they have to go experiment and like start
over and be a freshman, and it's a beautiful opportunity
to go find what you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, I think at least in my experiences and a
lot of my clients, you know, the exercise and movement
like became mature. It was no longer something that they loved.
It became this thing that they had to do to
manipulate their body. And that's no way to live. We've
got to find things that you really enjoy. And even
for me as I sit here today, that is a
(24:14):
learning process for me. I'm still on that journey. You know.
I am somebody that had a background of training five
or six days in the gym every week. I would
do three to four you know, high intensity cardio sessions.
You know in the peak of my competitions and now
I'm kind of juggling walking just walking on some days
and then other days I just do twenty minutes like
today on my peloton and that's all I'll do. And
(24:36):
then other days I might do some lifting. And you know,
my frequency and cadence of different movement, it changes from
week to week because my schedule is different week to week.
And gosh, if you told me that that's how I
would be ten years ago, like sitting here totally cool
with like not really knowing how much movement I was
going to do, I would just laugh. But you know,
that is this beautiful journey that you get to, you know,
(24:57):
re experiment and relearn who you are and what you
like and what amount of movement feels good for you.
And then that we bring that all into context when
it comes to setting our goals. So how much time
can you commit to doing some exercise? How much do
you want to commit to doing exercise? Because those the
things are different because we all have other values. I,
for one, value my social life, So you know, being
(25:20):
able to get out and see friends and go out
for meals and catch up and do fun things. That's
really important for some people They're like, you know what
I can do without that? Give me then extra training session.
I'm committed. So you know, we all sit in different places,
and I think it's a really great time to relearn
your autonomous, you know, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, ah, so well said, and I'm so glad that
we're talking about this because again, I know for some
of you listening, this might not be where you are,
but for those of you that are that are there,
I want you to hear all of the three dimensions
of this and how it can look and how it
can show up in your healing journey and still align
with the version of yourself that you've decided to be
and not regress you to those old habits that might
(26:01):
be a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And you can have it all.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So thank you so much for being here the past
few weeks. You've had just a wealth of knowledge. Where
can people find you?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So you need to head over to my Instagram. It
is just Holly Tea Baxter. So I've got a link
with all of our different products and services, our coaching team,
our books, our references, our education, all that good stuff,
and my coaching team, which is a team Holly Tea
Baxter so we've got all of our professionals and educators
posting daily, all evidence based content for free for you
(26:33):
guys to be your best selves. Amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, thank you so much for being here, thanks for
sharing your wealth of knowledge. You can find me over
at stresslesseating dot com. And this is Leanne Ellington signing
out for this week of outweigh See y'all next week.
We'll be back for two Things Can be True at
the same Time, Parts four through eight coming at you.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Bye bye four
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