Yes.... you heard that correctly. You can be pro body-image (and pro-self worth and body-positive) ....AND still have health goals you want to reach. These things do NOT have to cancel eachother out or stay mutually exclusive. But...there are some very important distinctions that you want to keep in mind to make sure that you are leading yourself in the direction of health, freedom, and healing.
Amy & Leanne come together for the FIRST episode of the Mini-Series Two Things Can Be True At The Same Time (Normalizing the In-Betweens and Healing From Extremism) where they share their thoughts and takeaways on how you can have BOTH: a healthy relationship with food and your body....AND work towards the goals that are important to you.
This is also Leanne's first episode as the official Co-Host of Outweigh alongside Amy, and we are so excited to be co-pilots as we bring you a weekly dose of hope, insight, inspiration, and healing.
HOSTS:
Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy
Leanne Ellington // StresslessEating.com // @leanneellington
To learn more about re-wiring your brain to heal from the all-or-nothing diet mentality for good....but WITHOUT restricting yourself, punishing your body, (and definitely WITHOUT ever having to use words like macros, low-carb, or calorie burn) check out Leanne's FREE Stressless Eating Webinar @ www.StresslessEating.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'll be outwait everything that I'm made done, won't spend
my life trying to change.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm learning love who I am. I'm strong, I feel free,
I know every part of me. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then will always out way.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
If you feel it, would you be here? She'll some
love to THEO why get there? Take you a day
and did you and die out way?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Happy Saturday?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Outweigh amy here and I have Leanne Ellington joining me.
And the fun part of saying that is that Leanne
is going to be joining me well sort.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of indefinitely at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
She did a little takeover for us, and I say little.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm not making it small by any means, but it
was about four weeks five I think, yeah, okay, hey,
who's counting?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Apparently I am I take.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Over and it went really well.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And Leanne and I have just been talking about what
it could look like if we do some episodes together
and then she has some interviews she would love to do,
so I guess welcome my new co host, Thanks Leanne Ellington,
And we're going to do a little mini series called
two Things Can Be True at the Same Time, which
we've talked about that here on outway before, but we're
(01:22):
going to focus on specific things, two different things each
each episode that can be true at the same time
themes I guess in that space. We'll do four weeks
that and then Land's got some fun interviews that she's
going to have for y'all, and then we'll do another
four weeks of two things can be true at the
same time. So today we're going to start with you
can be pro body image and pro self worth and
(01:45):
body positive and still have health goals you want to reach.
And Leanne has a very personal story related to this,
because you have your backstory of your disordered behaviors and
then and you know, being in recovery and then while
you were turning forty. So I'll let you take it
(02:05):
from there of what popped up for you when that
time came.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and it's such an interesting topic too, because you know,
we've talked about this a lot. There's a lot of
extremism out there of you know, the good, the bad,
the right, the wrong, and I really believe there is
the gray that we have permission to fill in.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You know, when Lisa and I started this, we actually
defined it as the gray area, but it's so much
of what people are not talking about. And our first
graphic for the the podcast was black and white, but
it kind of looked gray.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I love it, so was it I guess to my
pressure wasn't black and white, but we were kind of
wanted to have that vibe of gray.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah for sure. And we should definitely do an episode
about living in the gray because sometimes that can that
can keep us complacent as well. But that's another topic
for another day. But that being said, there's you know, extremism.
I think that's one of the things that I've had
to really heal from over the years, and it comes
alongside perfectionism a lot, but this concept of you know,
and for anybody who's not heard my story, and you know,
(03:06):
I had many, many years of disordered eating and self
image and body image struggles that really took over my life.
And when I decided to heal all of the things
that used to be kind of a golden carrot for me,
all the things externally that were driving me that were
really defining myself worse, like what I ate that day
and my gene size and my scale weight and how
(03:27):
I looked and all of those things that I mean,
there is a time and place for them, but when
they consume your every thought, that is disorder, right, and
that can lead to so much toxicity. And for me,
it manifested in a very ubercritical, you know, harsh relationship
with myself in turn with others and all the things.
So all that's to say, when I did commit myself
to this new way of being, in this healed version
(03:49):
of myself, all of that went on the back burner
and I was super happy about that. Right, And we
should also do an episode of the dark side of
too much confidence, because there's you know, things that you
can let fall by the wayside and and other habits
that can take over. But I'll bring it back streamlined
to this topic. You know what happened in my real life.
I turned forty a few months ago, and sixteen months
(04:10):
before that, I realized I was turning forty, and I
just said to myself, I'm like, who do you want
to be when you turn forty?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
How do you want to feel?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The big thing for me is I didn't want to
buy into the myth that like everything goes downhill and
you age in a negative fashion. I was like, no,
I want to be my healthiest, my happiest, I want
to feel amazing. I want to have more impact all
of the things that we think about when we get
in those existential conversations. But then on a practical level,
it dawned on me. I was like, you know what
I would love to prove to myself because pain is
(04:38):
also a big part of my backstory, literally and figuratively.
I had major spine surgery that caused a lot of
neurological struggles and a lot of chronic pain. So being
strong and fit and healthy had very new definitions to
me than they did ten to fifteen years ago. But
that being said, I was like, who do I want
to be and what's the body I want to be
living in at forty And it included things like pain free.
(04:59):
Of course, like the human side of me was like,
I want to feel amazing in a bikini at forty,
you know. And so I just started thinking, like, how
can two things be true at the same time. How
can I still maintain this healthy, loving relationship with my
body and this really freedom but also you know, peaceful
relationship with food and freedom can have two sides of
it too, right, there's too much permission and too much
(05:21):
control and all the things.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So we have to find our own own definition of that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But how can I have that and also up level
my health and my discipline and utilize and leverage things
that might have once been a weapon and now use
them as a tool to go focus on things that
I may have put in the category of superficial because
at the time, again I was using them as a weapon.
Little side note, there's an entire episode on that way
a few weeks ago about the distinction between using things
(05:46):
between a tool and a weapon. But that's been such
a powerful tool, no pun intended, because you know now
this thing that was once like kind of my nemesis.
It took me down this rabbit hole. I was like, Okay,
what would be possible if two things could be true
with the same time. I can be healthy and free
and love who I am and want to like and
trust my body even more. And so it sent me
(06:08):
on this journey which we're going to unravel over the
coming weeks and all of that. But that's kind of
the cliff notes version of what was the evidence of
this subject matter.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I feel like an example that pops into my head
about where I am now is before I got into recovery,
I was tracking everything. I knew how many carbs I had,
how much protein, how many calories, how much fat, whatever,
macros right right, So I was tracking those, but I
was coming at it from the wrong place. I was
(06:37):
not tracking to be the healthiest version of myself. I
was tracking so I could control it, and it was
all consuming, and if I deviated from it, I didn't
really know how to proceed with my day.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I would lose sleep over it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I would be dividing an egg into eights, like, oh,
I had these waffles and there was one egg, but
I only had one waffle and it made six, So
how many eggs did I have?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
That sort of stuff for sure, which is exhausting. So
where I am now, over three years out from that,
now in my forties, being forty two, and thinking of
how my body composition is and how my body is
aging and it but biologically it doesn't have to as
(07:26):
quickly as my chronological age.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
We can control that.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
And so I am starting to get more curious about, well,
how much protein am I having a day?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Totally?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And maybe I need to start really tracking that. But
it's so freeing because I am holding onto it loosely,
and it's more data than it is control. And so
that is an example of wanting to have some health
goals but still being in this free space where I'm
(08:00):
I'm caring for myself in a loving way and not
caring about the things I used to care about.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But I can have health goals amazing time. So totally yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Now I could see myself tracking more of that information,
but not losing sleep over it, not dividing eggs, not
having to track every single day, not having to get
it one hundred percent right because it may change point
whatever on the scale. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely? Yeah, And you bring up another distinction.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
One of the things we talk about with my clients
is this difference between influence versus control, right, And the
more we try to control, ironically, the more out of
control we feel. Right. So control is obviously not the solution,
but we think we want more control. But what if
it was about influence influencing who you're being around the thing?
In this case, it's the food, the macro, the whatever,
(08:46):
influencing who you're being so that you're showing up as
the version of yourself that makes decisions in alignment with
who you want to be, so influencing who you want
to be versus controlling the thing. And that's a game
that you can win because you do have the ability
to influence who you're being when things are going right
or not going great.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And it's it is that.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Distinction between there's the data of the macro versus the
drama of the macro and all of these again distinctions
within distinctions. But coming back full circle to this topic,
like the blanket statement, if I were to cliff notes it,
we all have our different version of this story.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But like I believe, we have the ability.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
To give ourself puission to say, you know what, I
can have a healthy, happy relationship with my body and food,
and I can have health goals, weight loss goals, all that.
But the difference is is who you're being when you're
doing the doing. So the big thing I kind of
share with my clients on the front end is it's
not wrong to want to go lose weight or be
fitter or healthier or whatever fill in the blank. But
(09:42):
I do invite women especially that are struggling with some
sort of disordered behavior or the negative self image and
body image that usually comes alongside those habits to kind
of take a sabbatical from those typical goals and heal.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
First, right, you know, which is to the why I shared.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Three and a half years have passed and I'm just
now to the point where I could track it. I'm
so glad you touched on that because I'm like, so
much work went into where I am now.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's not just that you listen to this and like.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Oh, well land a name, you said that I can
wake up tomorrow and be body positive and have health goals, right,
because your brain is not there yet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, You've got to become the version of yourself that
can have that kind of conversation where those health goals
can be a tool to serve you and move you
forward and influence your life versus a weapon against yourself.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Something that just popped into my head too is old
me because I know how I was would have heard
this and used it as permission to create a bunch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Of health goals. Totally yeah, right, But I do you
were you that way?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Oh a thousand persons I hear certain things and I'm like, oh,
what I'm doing is totally acceptable because this person said that,
And I'm going to make it fit into this little
box that I'm going to control.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh, we bargain with ourselves. Oh yeah, for sure. And
that's why it's so important. It's like none of these
are bad or wrong, and two of these things can
exist at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They can both be true.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But start from a place of carve out your freedom,
carve out true health. And when I say health, I
mean it physically and mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, all of
it right, and then go bring that with you into
your goals, your health journey, all of that, but start
at a true definition of health, but instead of that
place of disorder. And if you are in disorder, there's
(11:24):
no shame in that. Like you know, you and I
have both been there and we talked to the hundreds
thousands of women all the time that are But just
knowing what that is and where you are in your
journey before you go take on that next goal is
everything again. Awareness, awareness, right, being aware that you have
the ability to be aware of Okay, this isn't bad
that I want to go lose weight, but this isn't
(11:46):
the time.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm not in that place.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Have you ever used magic eraser? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
The thing that mystic yeah them.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was just using one the other day and something
just popped into my head as sort of a I
like imagining stuff and analogies, and you know, there's some
scuffs on my wall or wherever. I'm trying to get
stuff out, and it takes several tries with the magic eraser.
Eventually it goes away and I have a clean slate.
(12:14):
But some stuff is kind of stubborn and it's not
something that I can take a rag to and go.
It takes the magic eraser, and I don't know what
the magic is, but it's almost like we have our
own magic erasers. So I want you to picture that,
like for years you've been operating a certain way, and
that's what's on the wall right now, and that you're
going to take the time with your magic eraser, and
(12:35):
you're going to go after it, go after it, and
eventually your wall is going to be a clean slate,
and you get to build the new story, which is
the new narrative. But it takes time and sometimes some
elbow grease and you got to get in and do it.
But it is it's like magic. Once you're on the
other side, you're like wow, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Now you can have conversations, and I think just to
stack on what you just said, because I love that
analogy you said, like your magic ra like finding your
version of your magic.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Recipe and a racer.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You know, what's a race for you or how you
got it to race may not work for me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And the dirt on my wall is different than the
dirt on yours.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And we've talked before about pendulum swinging so far one direction,
and I feel like for me, I was so far
one way with my disordered behaviors that when I got
or I wanted to change, I swung so far the
other direction that it was probably more obnoxious that way,
but it was necessary. And then eventually I leveled out
(13:35):
and now I'm not obnoxious on either side, at least
I try not to be. But you'll you'll find that
balance that feels really right and good.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Absolutely, that pendulum is a perfect picture of it. You know.
I was that gal that judged people at the supermarket
when I saw them buying fattening stuff air quotes fattening
stuff back in the day.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And then I was the one that's.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Like everybody et chocolate chip cookies all day.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Every day, you know, which one is the lesser version
of me. I mean, that's just two different examples of extremism.
But that's why these conversations are so important to show you.
First of all, the pendulum swinging either extreme is normal
and natural, but giving yourself permission to allow that pendulum
to swing back to that neutral yep, I.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Love it well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This is the first of eight that will be happening
this year related to this topic. Two things can be
true at the same time, So take from it what
you needed, sit with it, journal about it, find your
magic eraser, and then go from there. Thank you Leanne
for chatting with us about that and sharing your personal
(14:37):
story with it too. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, if you want to find more about how to
rewire your brain and really heal your relationship with food
your body, but really taking a self image and identity
and brain based approach to that topic, you can find
all you need to find over at Stressless Eating dot com.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Awesome and I'm at Radio Amy on Instagram. We will
see you next Saturday for part two. Love Two things
can be true at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Bye bye, mm hmm.
I won't let my body.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'll be outwait everything that I'm made done, won't spend
my life trying to change.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm learning love who I am. I'm strong, I feel free,
I know every part of me. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then will always out way.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
If you feel it, would you be here? She'll some
love to THEO why get there? Take you a day
and did you and die out way?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Happy Saturday?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Outweigh amy here and I have Leanne Ellington joining me.
And the fun part of saying that is that Leanne
is going to be joining me well sort.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of indefinitely at this point.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
She did a little takeover for us, and I say little.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm not making it small by any means, but it
was about four weeks five I think, yeah, okay, hey,
who's counting?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Apparently I am I take.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Over and it went really well.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And Leanne and I have just been talking about what
it could look like if we do some episodes together
and then she has some interviews she would love to do,
so I guess welcome my new co host, Thanks Leanne Ellington,
And we're going to do a little mini series called
two Things Can Be True at the Same Time, which
we've talked about that here on outway before, but we're
(01:22):
going to focus on specific things, two different things each
each episode that can be true at the same time
themes I guess in that space. We'll do four weeks
that and then Land's got some fun interviews that she's
going to have for y'all, and then we'll do another
four weeks of two things can be true at the
same time. So today we're going to start with you
can be pro body image and pro self worth and
(01:45):
body positive and still have health goals you want to reach.
And Leanne has a very personal story related to this,
because you have your backstory of your disordered behaviors and
then and you know, being in recovery and then while
you were turning forty. So I'll let you take it
(02:05):
from there of what popped up for you when that
time came.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and it's such an interesting topic too, because you know,
we've talked about this a lot. There's a lot of
extremism out there of you know, the good, the bad,
the right, the wrong, and I really believe there is
the gray that we have permission to fill in.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You know, when Lisa and I started this, we actually
defined it as the gray area, but it's so much
of what people are not talking about. And our first
graphic for the the podcast was black and white, but
it kind of looked gray.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I love it, so was it I guess to my
pressure wasn't black and white, but we were kind of
wanted to have that vibe of gray.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah for sure. And we should definitely do an episode
about living in the gray because sometimes that can that
can keep us complacent as well. But that's another topic
for another day. But that being said, there's you know, extremism.
I think that's one of the things that I've had
to really heal from over the years, and it comes
alongside perfectionism a lot, but this concept of you know,
and for anybody who's not heard my story, and you know,
(03:06):
I had many, many years of disordered eating and self
image and body image struggles that really took over my life.
And when I decided to heal all of the things
that used to be kind of a golden carrot for me,
all the things externally that were driving me that were
really defining myself worse, like what I ate that day
and my gene size and my scale weight and how
(03:27):
I looked and all of those things that I mean,
there is a time and place for them, but when
they consume your every thought, that is disorder, right, and
that can lead to so much toxicity. And for me,
it manifested in a very ubercritical, you know, harsh relationship
with myself in turn with others and all the things.
So all that's to say, when I did commit myself
to this new way of being, in this healed version
(03:49):
of myself, all of that went on the back burner
and I was super happy about that. Right, And we
should also do an episode of the dark side of
too much confidence, because there's you know, things that you
can let fall by the wayside and and other habits
that can take over. But I'll bring it back streamlined
to this topic. You know what happened in my real life.
I turned forty a few months ago, and sixteen months
(04:10):
before that, I realized I was turning forty, and I
just said to myself, I'm like, who do you want
to be when you turn forty?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
How do you want to feel?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The big thing for me is I didn't want to
buy into the myth that like everything goes downhill and
you age in a negative fashion. I was like, no,
I want to be my healthiest, my happiest, I want
to feel amazing. I want to have more impact all
of the things that we think about when we get
in those existential conversations. But then on a practical level,
it dawned on me. I was like, you know what
I would love to prove to myself because pain is
(04:38):
also a big part of my backstory, literally and figuratively.
I had major spine surgery that caused a lot of
neurological struggles and a lot of chronic pain. So being
strong and fit and healthy had very new definitions to
me than they did ten to fifteen years ago. But
that being said, I was like, who do I want
to be and what's the body I want to be
living in at forty And it included things like pain free.
(04:59):
Of course, like the human side of me was like,
I want to feel amazing in a bikini at forty,
you know. And so I just started thinking, like, how
can two things be true at the same time. How
can I still maintain this healthy, loving relationship with my
body and this really freedom but also you know, peaceful
relationship with food and freedom can have two sides of
it too, right, there's too much permission and too much
(05:21):
control and all the things.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So we have to find our own own definition of that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But how can I have that and also up level
my health and my discipline and utilize and leverage things
that might have once been a weapon and now use
them as a tool to go focus on things that
I may have put in the category of superficial because
at the time, again I was using them as a weapon.
Little side note, there's an entire episode on that way
a few weeks ago about the distinction between using things
(05:46):
between a tool and a weapon. But that's been such
a powerful tool, no pun intended, because you know now
this thing that was once like kind of my nemesis.
It took me down this rabbit hole. I was like, Okay,
what would be possible if two things could be true
with the same time. I can be healthy and free
and love who I am and want to like and
trust my body even more. And so it sent me
(06:08):
on this journey which we're going to unravel over the
coming weeks and all of that. But that's kind of
the cliff notes version of what was the evidence of
this subject matter.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I feel like an example that pops into my head
about where I am now is before I got into recovery,
I was tracking everything. I knew how many carbs I had,
how much protein, how many calories, how much fat, whatever,
macros right right, So I was tracking those, but I
was coming at it from the wrong place. I was
(06:37):
not tracking to be the healthiest version of myself. I
was tracking so I could control it, and it was
all consuming, and if I deviated from it, I didn't
really know how to proceed with my day.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I would lose sleep over it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I would be dividing an egg into eights, like, oh,
I had these waffles and there was one egg, but
I only had one waffle and it made six, So
how many eggs did I have?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
That sort of stuff for sure, which is exhausting. So
where I am now, over three years out from that,
now in my forties, being forty two, and thinking of
how my body composition is and how my body is
aging and it but biologically it doesn't have to as
(07:26):
quickly as my chronological age.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
We can control that.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
And so I am starting to get more curious about, well,
how much protein am I having a day?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Totally?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And maybe I need to start really tracking that. But
it's so freeing because I am holding onto it loosely,
and it's more data than it is control. And so
that is an example of wanting to have some health
goals but still being in this free space where I'm
(08:00):
I'm caring for myself in a loving way and not
caring about the things I used to care about.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But I can have health goals amazing time. So totally yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Now I could see myself tracking more of that information,
but not losing sleep over it, not dividing eggs, not
having to track every single day, not having to get
it one hundred percent right because it may change point
whatever on the scale. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely? Yeah, And you bring up another distinction.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
One of the things we talk about with my clients
is this difference between influence versus control, right, And the
more we try to control, ironically, the more out of
control we feel. Right. So control is obviously not the solution,
but we think we want more control. But what if
it was about influence influencing who you're being around the thing?
In this case, it's the food, the macro, the whatever,
(08:46):
influencing who you're being so that you're showing up as
the version of yourself that makes decisions in alignment with
who you want to be, so influencing who you want
to be versus controlling the thing. And that's a game
that you can win because you do have the ability
to influence who you're being when things are going right
or not going great.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And it's it is that.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Distinction between there's the data of the macro versus the
drama of the macro and all of these again distinctions
within distinctions. But coming back full circle to this topic,
like the blanket statement, if I were to cliff notes it,
we all have our different version of this story.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
But like I believe, we have the ability.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
To give ourself puission to say, you know what, I
can have a healthy, happy relationship with my body and food,
and I can have health goals, weight loss goals, all that.
But the difference is is who you're being when you're
doing the doing. So the big thing I kind of
share with my clients on the front end is it's
not wrong to want to go lose weight or be
fitter or healthier or whatever fill in the blank. But
(09:42):
I do invite women especially that are struggling with some
sort of disordered behavior or the negative self image and
body image that usually comes alongside those habits to kind
of take a sabbatical from those typical goals and heal.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
First, right, you know, which is to the why I shared.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Three and a half years have passed and I'm just
now to the point where I could track it. I'm
so glad you touched on that because I'm like, so
much work went into where I am now.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's not just that you listen to this and like.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Oh, well land a name, you said that I can
wake up tomorrow and be body positive and have health goals, right,
because your brain is not there yet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, You've got to become the version of yourself that
can have that kind of conversation where those health goals
can be a tool to serve you and move you
forward and influence your life versus a weapon against yourself.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Something that just popped into my head too is old
me because I know how I was would have heard
this and used it as permission to create a bunch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Of health goals. Totally yeah, right, But I do you
were you that way?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Oh a thousand persons I hear certain things and I'm like, oh,
what I'm doing is totally acceptable because this person said that,
And I'm going to make it fit into this little
box that I'm going to control.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh, we bargain with ourselves. Oh yeah, for sure. And
that's why it's so important. It's like none of these
are bad or wrong, and two of these things can
exist at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They can both be true.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But start from a place of carve out your freedom,
carve out true health. And when I say health, I
mean it physically and mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, all of
it right, and then go bring that with you into
your goals, your health journey, all of that, but start
at a true definition of health, but instead of that
place of disorder. And if you are in disorder, there's
(11:24):
no shame in that. Like you know, you and I
have both been there and we talked to the hundreds
thousands of women all the time that are But just
knowing what that is and where you are in your
journey before you go take on that next goal is
everything again. Awareness, awareness, right, being aware that you have
the ability to be aware of Okay, this isn't bad
that I want to go lose weight, but this isn't
(11:46):
the time.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm not in that place.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Have you ever used magic eraser? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
The thing that mystic yeah them.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I was just using one the other day and something
just popped into my head as sort of a I
like imagining stuff and analogies, and you know, there's some
scuffs on my wall or wherever. I'm trying to get
stuff out, and it takes several tries with the magic eraser.
Eventually it goes away and I have a clean slate.
(12:14):
But some stuff is kind of stubborn and it's not
something that I can take a rag to and go.
It takes the magic eraser, and I don't know what
the magic is, but it's almost like we have our
own magic erasers. So I want you to picture that,
like for years you've been operating a certain way, and
that's what's on the wall right now, and that you're
going to take the time with your magic eraser, and
(12:35):
you're going to go after it, go after it, and
eventually your wall is going to be a clean slate,
and you get to build the new story, which is
the new narrative. But it takes time and sometimes some
elbow grease and you got to get in and do it.
But it is it's like magic. Once you're on the
other side, you're like wow, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Now you can have conversations, and I think just to
stack on what you just said, because I love that
analogy you said, like your magic ra like finding your
version of your magic.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Recipe and a racer.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You know, what's a race for you or how you
got it to race may not work for me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And the dirt on my wall is different than the
dirt on yours.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And we've talked before about pendulum swinging so far one direction,
and I feel like for me, I was so far
one way with my disordered behaviors that when I got
or I wanted to change, I swung so far the
other direction that it was probably more obnoxious that way,
but it was necessary. And then eventually I leveled out
(13:35):
and now I'm not obnoxious on either side, at least
I try not to be. But you'll you'll find that
balance that feels really right and good.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Absolutely, that pendulum is a perfect picture of it. You know.
I was that gal that judged people at the supermarket
when I saw them buying fattening stuff air quotes fattening
stuff back in the day.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And then I was the one that's.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Like everybody et chocolate chip cookies all day.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Every day, you know, which one is the lesser version
of me. I mean, that's just two different examples of extremism.
But that's why these conversations are so important to show you.
First of all, the pendulum swinging either extreme is normal
and natural, but giving yourself permission to allow that pendulum
to swing back to that neutral yep, I.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Love it well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This is the first of eight that will be happening
this year related to this topic. Two things can be
true at the same time, So take from it what
you needed, sit with it, journal about it, find your
magic eraser, and then go from there. Thank you Leanne
for chatting with us about that and sharing your personal
(14:37):
story with it too. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, if you want to find more about how to
rewire your brain and really heal your relationship with food
your body, but really taking a self image and identity
and brain based approach to that topic, you can find
all you need to find over at Stressless Eating dot com.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Awesome and I'm at Radio Amy on Instagram. We will
see you next Saturday for part two. Love Two things
can be true at the same time.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Bye bye, mm hmm.
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Leanne Ellington
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