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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out be outwait everything that
I'm made done, won't spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm learning to love who I am again.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Strong, I feel free.
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I know every part of me.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And that will always out way if.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You feel it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
But She'll some love to the d Why get there?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Take you one day?
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Editor?
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Did you and die out way?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Happy Saturday outweigh Amy here and I've got my co host,
Leanne Ellington, Hello, and we are on part seven of
our two Things Can Be True at the Same Time
mini series, and today is about how you you can
revisit old patterns, habits, circumstances, or you can be revisited
(00:56):
by them, like they can pop back up, like you
feel like, oh what I worked through that and it's
back that can happen and you can still be evolving
and growing past it, which Leanne sent me some notes
on this before and she was like, AKA, experiencing something
that you thought was part of your past does not
mean that you have regressed or are regressed. And I
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love that reminder because there was a time my mom
died and my eating disorder came back almost instantaneously. I
can laugh about it now, because I thought I had
been in recovery for almost twelve years, because I had
not purged, but I had developed all kinds of other
habits I didn't know were disordered, and so I thought,
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you know, I had my twelve year chip, my imaginary chip,
like an alcoholic might have if they have been sober.
And I remember being so disappointed in myself when really
my brain was having a trauma response and it went
back to what it knew was gonna soothe me at
the time. And what I realized all along is I
wasn't in true recovery and I should have had more
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compassion on myself for that. And also just because I
did that doesn't mean that I can't still move forward
or there's not hope for that pattern to be broken.
And then what when my dad died, I was in
recovery like a year and a half in of the work,
So of course parts of me we're a little nervous,
like what's gonna happen the day after, Like, well, I
know what my body, my brain and my actions were
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last time, and I didn't do it. But I think
it's because I was I'd actually put in the work
and experience recovery. But I also have grace for myself
that I know something had happened next week where that's
not the case, and I know that I'll still be okay,
and it doesn't mean that I haven't moved forward in
all of this.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, And I think there's a couple of big things
to touch on for that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And first of all, just receiving what you just said,
it's so human of us to have a traumatic experience
and experience loss and grief, and our brain favors recency.
So that's what your brain knew as a coping mechanism,
and it makes sense that it went back to that,
you know, but also, like you said, giving yourself grace
and compassion, Like this is a trauma response. So point
number one is like, this is a lifelong journey and
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there's gonna be ebbs and flows and highs and lows,
and it doesn't mean you know, what you do is
not who you are, right And so that was the
second thing I'm going to talk about, which we'll come
back to, is that, like, that's why shifting your identity
is so important, and shifting your self image about who
you are in relation to what you do is so important.
But coming back to this idea of you know, you
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experience something and you're like.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yes, I've solved it, I've healed it, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Right, My first invitation to you is what if you're
never fully done? But because you have to upkeep the practice, right,
maybe you don't have to so intensively think about it
because your brain has rewired and a lot of it
just becomes who you are. But just like you know,
if you're working out of the gym and you just
like all of a sudden stop going to the gym,
the muscles at trophy, you know, it's it's not same same,
but it's same same but different as they say in Thailand, right,
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And it's one of those things where like you do
have to upkeep some of those neural repetitions to get it.
But that being said, when you experience something, you know,
some of my clients will be like, oh, I fell
off the wagon or whatever, and I'm like, great, but
this time you have new awareness. I can't even tell
you how many times my clients will come to me
and be like, hey, Leanne, this is what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I ate x right, but this but this is.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Why I'm so excited because first of all, I didn't
shame myself. Second of all, I know exactly why it happened.
It was almost like it happened in slow motion. I
had so much awareness, and then I didn't beat myself up.
But here's what I'm gonna do next time, because now
I know what to look for. And part of it
is we have to experience something again to get a
heightened level of awareness, to really go fill in some
gaps that weren't there, you know, like how do you
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ride a bike? I can't teach you how to ride
a bike by reading a book, right, I can't write
tell you logically how to ride a bike. You have
to get on your balance system, your equilibrium system, has
to experience it. You probably fall a couple times before
you you know, but then.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Eventually training reels.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, there's training reels great, Yes, exactly, same is true
of all of this, right, and the falling down is
actually part of the learning process, right, But it doesn't
mean that you are regressed, have regressed air quotes messed
up your back where you were. First of all, you're
not who you are the last time you experienced what
you're experiencing. You have the ability to have heightened levels
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of awareness. Like we talked about last episode, nothing passes
you until it teaches you what you need to know.
So what is the lesson? What have I not yet
learned from this? What have I not gotten? What's the
next level for me?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And then we'll talk about the identity and self image
and why that's so important. But like, no, it's not
one of those things where your back where you started.
That is the meaning, the drama, the thoughts that you're
giving behind it, and it doesn't have to mean that.
You can choose not to give it that meaning. You
can look at us like, oh, that happened. I don't
have to like it, but I refuse to go down
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this rabbit hole of like, great this is I told you,
this is just who I am, this is what I do.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And again we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
But that's why it's so important you change your identity
around this as well.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, so if you're in the process of trying to
accept that you're still evolving, I guess let's talk about
how there's no dead end, Like there's no Oh, I
finally have reached the top of the mountain and I'm
going to stay here forever. Right, because I think if
I go back to some of my thoughts, I had
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sort of romanticized recovery and healing, and that if I
got to the top once I realized that I could,
I wasn't going to stay stuck in this forever. I
didn't want to stay in victim mode, but that it's
an ongoing process. So somehow I was picturing myself at
the top of this mountain and I conquered it. But then, like,
if I give you that image the top of the mountain,
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what would you say about what happens once we're.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
At the top.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, it's so it's so beautiful that you say it
like that, because we do. We romanticize, we fantasize, We
have almost like delusional optimism about how perfect our life
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know, So what if I just had this and
once I get there, then it'll all be swell, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So one of the first things I invite my clients
into is because keep in mind too a lot of
us that are coming from this world of disorder. We're
falling for the short term gratification trap of this. It
looks like control, but it's not. It's really the more
we try to control or deprive the more out of
control we feel, or it's that relinquishing control. Screw it,
I don't care, give me everything in sight before my
inner food police comes in and kicks back in, and
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it's that cycle back and forth. However it shows up
for you, right and so that short term gratification or
it's the short term gratification of like, oh, I'm just
going to lose a bunch of weight really quickly, you know,
and then then I'll feel good. It's really a short
term gratification thought process. So one of the first things
I invite my clients into is what if short term
pain for long term gain? And when I say pain,
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I mean investment of time, energy, thought, and intention to
really heal this so that you have it for the
rest of your life, but shifting your beliefs and getting
out of the delusion that this is a one and done, Oh,
I'll just be healed and happy and problem free for
the rest of my life. What if you just assume
that you're human and human stuff is going to come up,
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like loss and stress and all these things, And what
if you could plan for that, account for it, and
have the tools that you can use to access when
it does come up, And what if you talked about
your forever self. So one of the things I invite
my clients into is like, let's say they're forty five
or fifty five. I say, yes, I care about the
forty five to fifty five year old version of you,
But who do you want to be at.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Sixty seventy eighty.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Let's get optimistic one hundred and five so you can
be the version of yourself that you were born to
be and know that even when crap hits the fan
and adversity strikes, you show up in a way that
you're proud of because you have tools in your toolbox
and you've created this foundation of beliefs and a self
image that empowers you that you don't dig back into
those rabbit holes. But again, notice I didn't say like
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everything's roses and butterflies. Life's going to happen. But can
you respond instead of react? How far do you fall?
How like that bubble of resilience gets so much better
and stronger and more resilient, and you're not it's not
happening so often. It's you're not falling down so far.
It doesn't take you so long to pick yourself back up.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But notice I.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Didn't say it stops happening, right, So what I would
say about that metaphorical mountain is I would not to
burst anyone's bubble, but I would I would invite them
into the possibility that that is an illusion, that this
top of the mountain is not real. But the climb
to the you know, the first big climb where you
feel like your brain has the first like evidence of Okay,
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there's a map where I'm free and at peace and
this doesn't define me and this doesn't hold me hostage,
knowing that that it's possible to create that map more
and more in your brain, but also eliminating the illusion
and illusion that this is how it's always going to be,
and it's always going to be air quotes perfect.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm sort of picturing, Okay, if you like that, you
want to reach the top and you want to be
up there, it's almost like, Okay, while you're up there,
you equip yourself and you've got your backpack and your
tools for like, if you fall down the mountain, your
backpack's there, it's got you. You've got your your snacks
in there to sustain you. You've got your tools, to
climb back up, Like I don't know, just maybe picture
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yourself at the top, yeah, and just know that that's
while you're up there, and while you're in this space
of like I did it, like, still gather all your
tools and make sure you have them with you, because
if you go back down, then hopefully the thought behind
that would be that you get back up faster. But
even if you don't have compassion and grace for yourself,
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there's no clock other than like, we do have this
one life, and so it is important to sit down
and assess and say, how do I want to be
spending it? Yeah, what do I want to be doing?
Who do I want to be with? What memories do
I want to make right?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And you know, within that, one of the big things
I have to discuss with my clients is changing their
definition of success, because if their definition of success is
never eating anything with sugar or never having a bad
thought about themselves or whatever, of course they're going to
always think that they're regressing or not living up. So
part of it is we have to change or redefine
their definition of success. Yes, but that kind of segues
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into this whole identity piece of the puzzle where you know,
one of my favorite quotes is what you do is
not who you are, right, and it's about like who who.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You're being, not just what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And so if all of your self worth and self
image eggs are in the basket of like, great, this
is what I did or didn't do, I hate to
say it, but you're going to be at a loss,
like you're always going to be feeling unworthy or unfill
in the blank. If all that you're defining yourself by
is like what you do, what you wear, what you
did or didn't eat, your gene size, your bank balance,
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your how many likes you got on Facebook, whatever it is,
it's going to show up empty for you. So part
of it, too, is like when all you're doing is
looking at the action items of your life as like
the end all be all, anything that strays from that
is going to feel like you messed up, backpedaled, regressed,
anything like that. So changing your definition of success, but
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also the big picture kind of paradigm that you're living
in has to transform to or else you're always going
to be identified in these ways that are chaining you
to the disorder.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And just remember that two things can be sure at
the same time, because just because you have a setback
doesn't mean you haven't evolved and you're not capable of more.
Because I could see how someone gets stuck up, Like
I mean, I did it all the time. Like anytime
I would quote unquote mess up or slip up or
whatever you want to call.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It, I just feel like, yeah, it's exhausting.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You want to throw on the towel, But like you said,
there's a little bit of pain. I got to get there,
got to be get into the uncomfortable, and sometimes if
we just want to stay in the comfortable, even though
that's painful too, it's what we know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It's all we know.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, okay, Leanne, Where can people find.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You stressless seating dot com if you want to hear
more and learn more about the brain we were rewiring
when it comes to food, your body, your definition of
success and health, all of that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And then over on Instagram at lee Anne Ellington.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I am at Radio Amy Radioamy dot com. We
will be back next Saturday with the final part art
so the two things can be true miniseries, So we'll
see then. Bye bye, Hm