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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yo, week before Thanksgiving, you got some extra games. You
got a Black Friday game. So hey, this is your
Ober promised.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, thankful for seventy kick ass episodes of this show.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Episode seventy.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thankful for this guy right here, Dunce, Boy Cavino and
Rich this is our bonus pod again. We're on two
to four Monday through Friday right here on Fox Sports
Radio five to seven on the East Coast. And this
is the stuff we didn't have time for. And on
his very special day, Rich, we celebrate there. He is
forty eight years of Rocky Boa. But we're also going
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to talk about falling short of milestones. James Harden's in
the news plus your pick for week twelve tonight, and
let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Man, do you know how old Rocky is in perspective
when you really think about when we little kids, when
you were just a little boy, back to the future,
went back to the fifties, that fell forever ago. Yeah,
when you watched The Wizard of Oz that was nineteen
thirty nine. So if you were a kidding in the eighties,
there's fifty years ago. In two years, this right here,
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fifty years ago, fifty years old.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But It's forty eight today, debut today in nineteen seventy six,
winning the Academy Award, putting Sylvester Stallone absolutely on the
map as the god man.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You have to sell his dog buckets. Yeah, this s Bookers.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That means a cuff and link must be at least
fifty sixty years old at this point.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
He's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
He still has those turtles. That's a fun fact. But
it's a legendary movie. It's a love story and underdog story.
One of our favorite movies of all time. Absolutely, I
love this and you know what, I know, it moves
slower from today's perspective now, but I watched it recently
with my daughter and she loved it. So that still
holds up. Yeah, still holds up, stood the test of time.
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It's a classic, and it got us thinking with slying
the News recently. You know, I think the whole Tyson
fight was a fix. Absolutely, he deserves an Academy Award
Oscar winning performance Iron Mike. Absolutely, he implied that he
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deserved an Academy Award for his performance. Sign the News
and the anniversary today, how do you rank the Rockies?
It's a forever debate.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is very telling I think you'll learn a lot
about someone based on how they rank the Rocky movies.
And we all have our own order, right, Like, no
one's gonna have the same exact order. It's like my
theory on Tom Hanks movies. If you tell someone give
me your top four, you're mount rushmore of Hanks.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
No one's gonna have the same four.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't think anyone's gonna have the same Rocky order
because I think right out the gate, it's like.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Snowflakes and uh, all different and.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. Wow, So when you look at all the Rocky movies,
I'm not even going to include the Creed movies, but
I want to hear a fun fact. Yeah, the money
maker this is you put your glasses on too.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Here.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, well I'm trying to see, you know, the rankings here.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So total cost to make all the Rockies and the
Creed movie.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So that's nine.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Overall blockbusters one hundred and eighty seven million dollars, just
shy of two billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Wow, you're like, there's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And stallone is in a rare category of multiple franchises,
between The Expendables and Rambo and Rocky, only few have
done it as big as Sylvester Stallone, so we salute
you on this day on the anniversary of its debut.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Was Over the Top of franchise.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Over the Top was the most ridiculous movie when you
think of the premise. Truck driver that was an arm wrestler.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Was a little over the time. All loved it. The
arm wrestled to get custody of this kid.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
But the theory is this, guys, we all love the Rockies,
we love the Rocky franchise.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We all got pumped.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
This kid's watching the movies shadow boxing in our kitchen
and our socks sliding around. We all have that punching bag,
probably with clubber Lang on one side and Rocky on
the other. Right, Italian Stallion, absolutely, but we all have
different orders of appreciation and mine is simple.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You know, HB four beauty. There you go to quote, uh,
the old rookie.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You might get punch in the nose because some people
need to learn.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
The hard way.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The Italian Stallion rest in peace. Carl Weathers, I'm going
with the og. I know that's debatable, but you can't
debate the original. It's the best. It won the Academy Award.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
If there's no Rocky, there's no Rocky two three.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I know that other people are gonna be like, yeah,
but the other one's better, isn't that. No, This is
the first. It's still great. It's the one people talk about.
It's the one. It goes down in the history books,
all right. It led us to all these other ones.
You can't beat the first one. Rocky, the Ogg, the
Red Brain and all that stuff. Number one, Number one,
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My second favorite in the Rocky franchise, Rocky four soundtrack.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Li in a mate. I mean they all have so easy,
way have great soundtracks, right, all five.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You just the craziness of it, the novelty of it.
James Brown and Ivan Drago. It's the goofiest one, probably
but the most entertaining. I view it as the Temple
of Doom of the Rocky franchise meeting Indiana Jones and
Temple of Doo might be the dumbest one, but it's
the most entertaining. So Rocky four for me, everything he hits,
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he just thrus. I'van Drago against seen that in the
theater as a kid. For me, that's right there. It
could be number one, but it can't be better than
the original, so it's number two. I got Rocky two
at number three because it's great. Rocky two is arguably
as good as the first one. So I got Rocky two.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Next.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I got Rocky three after that. Now this is tough
because they're all good. Rocky three was good. Yeah, you know,
I got the poofy hair. Now I got like poofy hair.
I'm fighting thunderlips and clubber lang. Oh he insulted my wife.
Absolutely no kill the real man. Yeah, so I mean,
and mister t was the baddest in the land at
that time. So Rocky three is next. Then I got
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Balboa because I thought Balboa was really good.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Good movie. It is.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, people don't like the sad undertones of the movie,
but I thought it was great. If you slept on
it or you didn't like it, I think you'd you
should watch it again.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I really actually enjoyed Rocky Buboa.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So I got this at five, and I have Rocky
five at number six on my countdown. And I see
that respectfully because I know everybody says it's the worst,
and it is, but it's the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Of awesome movies.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
If you watch it again, The only real criticism is, well,
I don't like the storyline because he's down and out
and poor well whooped he do he didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Write the story.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's the life of the k of Rocky's and that's
the arc of a lot of fighters, right, So you
don't like it, big deal. But the criticism is he
didn't fight in the ring. If he fought Tommy Gun
in the ring. But it's still a good movie. I
promise you we'd all love it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I watched it within the last couple of years, and
my big takeaway was, yeah, this isn't as shitty as
I remember. But at the end when he's in the street,
like go for it, it's not a corny yeah, Like
even that part's cool. There's a scene where Mickey's giving
him a motivational speech in black and white.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Like about when here's the downside of.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It too, when he thanks George Washington Duke instead of Rocky, like.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
It's Tommy Morrison in it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Look, and you got to give credit to Stallone for
always casting former athletes in all of his movies, even
in the Expendables. He's known for doing that, and in
this movie you had Tommy Morrison, who was a legitimate
contender heavyweight division. Right, he was a legitimate heavyweight fighter,
and it was a good story.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But in this story and I'm not well, I'm not
saying he was punchy. He had what you caulle it
like a relaxed brain or something. Well, his brain was
really having ruggy yo dyl Sin who would remember Uncle
PAULI was saying, yeah, he's stupid to see it ever, Yeah,
but so I know it gets a lot of criticism.
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It's still last on my list, but it's not as
bad as people say.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
But my list not terribly different than yours. Okay, you
give Rocky one the top spot because it's Rocky, It's
the og Academy Award winner. I'm ranking this based on
if I were flipping through the channels or if I
was on Netflix or Hulu, and I'm like, what would
I actually be like, you know what, I'll keep watching.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
This because I have to.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I have to tell you, Rocky one would not be
the movie in twenty twenty four that I'd sit down
and be.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Like, I'll keep watching.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I am a firm believer that Rocky two might be
one of the most underrated films of all time. There's
extra training montages when Adrian is in the hospital, Rocky
come here. If you don't, maybe you don't want me
to mix it up with Creed no more, We'll find
another way.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And what does she say?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Just win?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And then what does Mickey say? What do we waiting for?
Every stadium?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Ship hits so hard? So I'm going Rocky Too is
number one?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Did you notice that, like Cobra Kai this season sort
of paid homage to that scene.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
A little bit. I did notice that. I mean, if
you haven't seen it, I don't want to spurl it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So I'm going Rocky Too is number one, and then
bye the fault I have to put you know, look
at the scene ween.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
What do we wait right now?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Played at every stadium to get the fans fired up?
Like all the montages are great, That's yeah, It's it's.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Hard to rank. That's why everyone's gonna have a different
list here.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I'm going Rocky two in the top spot, just
at a pure you know respect, I have to put
Rocky one, the original, in the number two spots.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'll go two one.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Then of course the most entertaining Rocky Wall four Drago,
you know, the Roe PAULI in his robot and you know,
like going to Russia, Happy birth Day, polygy No, training
in the mountains, Dragos, in the gym Drogo. So Rocky
four most entertaining maybe the whole series.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But then, by the way, that's when stallone is the
most slick and the most rich. So you love that
as a kid because in Roy remember I said Rocky
three poofy hair. I was getting a little cut, you know,
I was getting in shape a little bit. By Rocky four,
he's so rooted out and ripped and rich. As a kid,
you're like, oh my god, this is great.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You know, I think it's hard to really debate my
order two one, four, Then I'm going three.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
As much as I'm a Hogan fan. Here's my hero.
As a child, I.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Thought the Thunderlips thing was sort of cheesy. Clubber Lang
was great, though I loved how he lost dies Apollo
trains Rocky. There's a lot of good storyline in three,
so hard to even say that's not a top three.
But two, one, four, three Balboa underrated, and even though
five is not as shitty as you remember, are still
the worst. It's still the worst of all these. And
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you know what, I'll give Michael B. Jordan and stallone
and everyone credit. I thought all three Creed movies fantastic.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Same.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So if you don't have past weekend plans after week
twelve of the NFL, maybe you go back and watch
the Ease. Come up your your own order again. I'm Rocky,
Rocky four, Rocky two, Rocky three, Balboa and five two
one four three Balboa five. That's Rich's order. What's yours?
Hit us up at Covino and Rich at Fox Sports
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
Can I tell you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Tag over promise our regular update anchor Dan Bayer.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, he hasn't seen Rocky. I know, I can't believe.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I know one day we're gonna have to take him
out for hibachi because he never had abaci and a
night of Rocky.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
There's something.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Listen, pick your things about people. Some of the people
I very much enjoy their company. The fact that he
hasn't seen Rocky, the fact that your girlfriend hasn't seen
The Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Like there are movies where like Who Raised You? I know,
like comes Wove Come on? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, hey, uh, there was records broken in the NBA.
The NBA's back. I know a lot of people pumped
about this.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, this was a cool story.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah. They also was a time stamp of man. James
Harden's been in the league for a minute. Now you've
I'm doing it on a high level for a long time.
Used to be James not so Harden, James Soften. Yeah,
now James Harden climbed up to number two on three
point Leaders this week. Steph Curry obviously being pop dog
right there over thirty seven hundred three point shots.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yes, Steph Curry's three point records are like Jerry Rice's
receiving records.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And no one's catching. It's like pun intended, no, for real.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's like when you look at Jerry Rice compared to
the other greates like Randy Moss, It's like how what
That's how Steph Curry, Like even the closest are not
even close.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So James Harden surpassed Ray Allen for three point shots.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Made the surprises on there, Kyle Korver assassin number seven,
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Reggie Millarson still playing, He's on the list. Hillard's still playing,
He's on the list. Reggie Miller obviously, you know he's
on the list. Lebron James just for longevity reasons. You
know he's there, but you're like, damn, James Harden pasted
Ray Allen. He now has two thousand and nine to
seventy five. Ray Allen had two nine seventy three, and
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you're like, dang, ray Allen came so close to three thousand.
He'd be an elite company with Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Mister three thousand. Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
There's a lot of people that come close to records
or just benchmarks, and I know that bothers the hell
out of a guy like Cavino.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It bothers me because Ray Allen is one of the greats,
and he's known for his three point shot, and he
came so close. He came a half a season away,
you know, of reaching three thousand.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
When you think about being a professional athlete, everyone's got
those numbers on their mind, like three hundred wins, five
hundred home runs, you know, so many touchdowns passing. They're
legendary marks and when you fall just shy.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You might say, who gives a shit? But it just
looks funny.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
As a fan and as a kid who collected baseball cards,
you would see these stats. You're like, oh, he's so
close to five hundreds. So that leads us to based
on the Ray Allen thing, and congrats to James Harden
again at number two falling short of milestones. So who
comes to mind when you start thinking of people or
athletes falling short of milestones.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
These athletes may genuinely say, who gives a shit? But
as a fan fans, you know, well, as fans we're
more critical than the player sometimes. So these are some
of the people that we're thinking in the back of
their mind. They must say, man, I couldn't have played
one more month, like two more games.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And by the way, you nailed it.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Perfect segue, because the first one that comes to mind
for me as a Yankees fan, as a base ball
fan is Alex Rodriguez. Now keep in mind, he didn't
play in twenty fourteen. He was suspended, so seasoned down
the drain in twenty sixteen. I still don't know how
and why he only played sixty five games.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
He wasn't having his best season.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
He was maybe in a little hot water, right, so
they just like ended his career at sixty five games.
He ended up with six hundred and ninety six home
runs for for short.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Home run shy of seven hund though of seven hundred.
So look, Alex Rodriguez, who lives for baseball.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I don't know how he sleeps with that, you know,
falling this short of a seven hundred home run milestone
again being an elite company, He's so close to seven hundred.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
He could have still played. He should have had well
over seven hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean, I don't know how many of those he
was juiced up for, but still he would have had
seven hundred six ninety six.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There's a couple guys, and I knew one of them. This,
two guys that were stuck at three hundred and ninety
nine home runs. I know from baseball card collecting, Andrea
Scalarraga three nine.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know, even with that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Altitude in Colorado, he couldn't pop out one more.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
All those Rockies were hitting bombs at that time. More, Yeah,
three ninety nine, that sucks one more home run, and
you're like, in a different conversation, a different category, so
close to three ninety nine. And then a legendary ballplayer
also finished at three ninety nine, even though five hundred
is like the Hall of Fame of course landmark, but
still you want that number, right, al Kline of the
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Tigers ended at three ninety nine. Legendary player for Detroit
and there's a legendary photo of him too. Spot of
him with like JFK in the background. Get all the
people in this photo al Kline, LBJ JFK, Jimmy Hoffa.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so that's a wild photo.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
On a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I got I got a couple of football on Yeah,
this is one that satisfies your ocd Okay, John l
Way exactly three hundred career touchdowns Like that's I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Like any went out with two Super Bowls back to back.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I mean, talk about the best way to end your career.
This guy did it perfect. Did you call this guy
the finisher? I mean three career tuddies. There's dudes that
are labeled mister almost a lah Mike Musina, right, who
came so close to so many milestones.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And then there's guy like the guy's like l Way,
who just did it so perfectly and it's good to
be la.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I'm bringing this guy up because I know he still
got guess in the tank even though they stink. The
Jets Aaron Rodgers currently has four hundred and ninety two tuddies.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Oh my goodness, he needs eight. I'm not wishing bad
on Aaron Rodgers eight for eight, but I mean, who's
this say he gets there? I mean, is he if
he plays one more year? For sure? But the Jets
are struggling.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's not like this guy's doing his old school Aaron
Rodgers three tuddies a game.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'm like, who on, oh man, that's got to eat
him up. I mean he played something anyway. I mean,
we don't know, not at this rate. But yeah, four
ninety two for Rogers. And of course, I know you
wanted to bring up Warren Moon.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Kov He's got seventeen now, so with that said, he'll
get over five hundred just at this pace this year.
But imagine, God forbid, he got a little banged up
and he doesn't come back, so again falling short of milestones.
Warren Moon Yeah, listen, he played in the Canadian Football
leagu the CFL. He's a legend Hall of famer, but
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he's like one game, he's two games shy of fifty
thousand yards. He's got forty nine, three hundred and twenty
five yards.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So yeah, when you combine his Canadian career his professional career.
The guy's done at all, but still forty nine and
change and then almost fifty thousand yards so close. I
got one that I don't think I didn't tell you this. Yeah,
but there are four guys that you know, Okay, lifetime
average in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Nine.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Now this is an active player. Mike Trout has an
opportunity to change that. So crossed Trout off. Three guys
that are done that wrapped it up like great MLB careers,
but their stat line to ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Which is again three ninety nine in today's world, right
in today's world. That was fantastic, but still one point
away from three hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Two ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Dustin Pedroia, oh wow, because he had a couple of
bad seasons at the very end that pulled it down.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Or his Big Poppy What did Big Poppy call him?
He called him something else? Remember like something. He's like,
why did he call you Dustin? I could be he
He's like, that's my name. Matt hollidayne oh Man and another.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
We talked about the Rockies before Man the Rockies, Dante Bishett,
imagine that you're like, man like, have I dropped three
more bloop singles?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And of course, the number one name that comes to
mind when you think of falling short of milestones is
Stan Ross aka Bernie Mack as mister three thousand, because
he was known as mister three thousand, and.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Then they realized, oops, there was a clerical error.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He ended up with two thousand, nine hundred and ninety
seven hits, came back to the bigs at forty seven,
only to get two more hits, ending at two thousand,
nine hundred and ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Of all the.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Sports movies we've watched, wait, I've never seen it, Of
all the major leagues and Field, the Dreams, and you
name it, all the.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Great movies, Slapshot, We Take You South in America, I've
never seen that movie.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Either one of us. Maybe that's our weekend watching.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But the premise, do you go beso interesting? Mister three thousand?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I wasn't sure if he ended up with three thousand,
but no, he was known as mister three thousand. Came
back and then the story is he fell in love
with the all over again as an older guy, and
he had a chance to get three thousand hits, and
he lays down a sacrifice bun or something for the
team well, now.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You gave me the premise. Now I don't have to
watch it.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Sold as hell Bright Austin Pas, Bernie mac aka Stan Ross,
mister three thousand, just one hit shy of regaining the title,
Well of mister three thousand before.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
You get out of here. Tonight some Thursday night football
about the startup. So if you want a last minute wager, okay,
DraftKings sportsbook code, see our show.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I got a teaser that I'm not in love with.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But then again, sometimes the ones I'm not in love
with are the ones that hit easy. I know you
think the Steelers, like you said earlier today on Fox,
you can't see how they lose to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I don't see that happen.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Short week, travel, everything, These Thursday night games are all
They're screwy, as my dad would say. I mean, you
never know what you're gonna get Thursday is. You know,
it depends on the coaching, the travel, There's so many
things involved. The visional game. The Browns are three and
a half point underdogs. Make the Browns a nine and
a half point underdog. They're not scoring a lot. I
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don't think the Steelers' offense is lighting up it's a
lot more about their defense. So I like the Browns
plus nine and a half under forty two and a half.
The over under in this game Cavino is only thirty
six and a half, so I'm even I'm going up
and picking the under. I feel like this game. You know,
this game has written all over sixteen ten, sixteen, thirteen.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Thirteen ten, like Russell Wilson's Time to Shine. Do you
think Thursday night game? He wants to light it up tonight.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Love scoring shitty game, love scoring shitty game, and you
gonna be like man Richie's right, sixteen ten Steelers and
then you cover your bet.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So enjoy Week twelve, your Thursday Night football, and of
course the sakai to kai.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Enjoy that this weekend perfect.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
We'll see then Ariba there Chi baby, see you in
the over promised land better
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And then t