September 26, 2024 • 22 mins
The Oakland A's say farewell to their stadium; fans are seen getting dirt from the field and ripping out seats. Covino & Rich discuss ideal stadium memorabilia to own, if any. CJ Abrams of the Nationals was demoted for a late night in Chicago, so C&R look back at some legendary stories of performing after crazy nights that are EXCEPTIONS. And dancing is penetrating sports. Jason Kelce addresses his crazy on stage antics in Philadelphia. Do you attempt new dance moves as an adult?
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yeah, do it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What's going on, buddies, another bonus pod CNR.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to over.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Promised Episode sixty four, and thanks you for celebrating two
years of Cobno and Rich today, two years afternoons on
Fox Sports Radio two to four in the West, five
to seven on the East.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We've been part of the Fox.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Sports Radio family now for over three years if you
include weekends and part time and everything, but two years today.
Thanks to you, guys. And this is all the stuff
we can't fit to our action packed show.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Greatness.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Steve Cavino, Rich Davis, we're gonna talk dance moves, We're
gonna get you ready for Thursday night foosball and when
you're gritty or what we're gonna talk about partying in baseball.
But Rich, I know you want to talk about the coliseum.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, the Oakland Coliseum. Nineteen sixty six, it opened up.
The A's have been playing there since sixty eight. Remember
you would always see the Oakland Raiders play there, and
you see the baseball field while they were playing football.
A big part of our childhood. And we say farewell
to the Oakland Coliseum. And did you see the security
guard filling up water bottles of dirt for fans to
(01:14):
take home as a keepsake.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I did.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was cool to see all the legends come back.
It was also this cool to see the Ricky was there. Yeah,
but this was wild.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I thought that was a cool moment and it got
me thinking that I actually have a zip block baggy
not of dirt weed.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's actually dirt from Chase Stadium. I'm a Mets.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Fan, and I do think it's the weakest memorabilia have about.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
To give you a low five for that. Look, I
get it, you want a piece of history. They had
a great run there. They did their best. They won
a World Series or two, right, they did their thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, you can't take the eighties fans, Let's say you
can't take the last couple of years of the a
sucking ass No, no, no, no, Assign that to the
great teams of the seventies with Reggie Jackson or the
the Bash brothers and Dennis Eckersley and Dave Stewart. All
we have to Giombi, that team and that franchise delivered
in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
McGuire, Canseco Diego. I mean a lot of legends bad
Why Stewart Eckersley was there just this past weekend. Legendary teams,
you know, legendary players moments. Carney Langsford in a yeah,
now you know they're playing like ass as the viral
hat says, right. But yeah, you want a piece of
the history. But that's the weakest piece. But it does
(02:28):
take me back. Rich, weren't you the kid that also
wanted George the Animal Steel's turnbuckle?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
True story as we all watched the mister McMahon, you're five.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I was at Nassau Coliseu. I'm on Long Islands and Georgia.
Animal Steele, as he always did, ripped open the turn buckle.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Was eating it. He threw pieces.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's just styrofoam right into the crowd.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I mean it's turnbuckle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I for my whole childhood, mixed in with my baseball
car collection and my Newty magazines and all my little,
you know, young boy collectibles, I had a zip block
bag of turn buckle until I realized what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, that's my point, because.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I wait, spun am By in the front row there.
I proved you wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Rich said this might be the worst collectible possible. Dirt
from a field it's part of the field. That's kind
of cool. Nothing's weaker than already been showed turnbuckle from
George the Animal that Rich has somewhere in the closet.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So what you're saying is in my man cave, I
shouldn't have dirt and a turn buckle on the main.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, but dirt is one of the weakest ones. And
I say this respectfully because we did have a listener
and I appreciate all the generosity and offerings from our
listeners and friends. But someone sent me dirt from the
original Yankee Stadium, and unless it's framed and displayed properly,
it's just dirt. Someone sent me a zip block bag
(03:52):
of the dirt, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I don't even know where it is. I left it here.
I think you threw it away. I thought I thought
I might have just come off and shoes. Rich thought
it was like chocolate cake mix or something.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So I do agree that if it's presented properly, meaning
like my wife and I on our honeymoon, we have
sand from the beach we went to, but it's in
a little cute jar that says that you know the country,
and that's cool.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But nowhere near as cool as as stadium dirt, especially
if there's a legacy there, especially if they won there,
and of course, you know, especially if it doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So, Yeah, the original Yankee Stadium, I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But it was in a ziplock baggie. What do I
do with that? You gotta get it displayed. And you know,
it's cool to see that they still wanted a piece
of this. It was cool to see them taking it.
But did you see the dudes taking the seats?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
By the way, why don't you eat it or snort it?
The Yankee Stadium will forever be a part of you.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, maybe, because you know what, I don't know where
it is because I left it here on my desk
and Rich put it somewhere. It's somewhere. It's somewhere. But
is it the weakest. It's not the weakest. The turn
buckles the weakest, but the chairs.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I thought that was kind of wild too. When you
see the fans.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Just what did they take a screwdriver with them to
the game? Yeah, by the way, how do you get
that into the stadium? No?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Really, they take a wrench. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think this is pretty cool because I've seen a
lot of people in their burn caves and they're you know,
their garages or family rooms have chairs from an old stadium.
In fact, my buddy Mike has two seats from the
old Chase Stadium in his basement where he watches a game.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He doesn't sit on them, but they're there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I looked on eBay, would you believe like thousands
of dollars for Yankee Stadium, Chase Stadium, like any stadium
that closed down for that matter.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And those are just the weekends plastic ones from the
old Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The one from the forties to the seventies. Yeah, they
go back even further. So hey, farewell. Lots of great
memories depending on how old you are. You know, Rich
took you back to the sixties, seventies, the rolly fingers days,
you know, and of course the eighties was a lot
of fun as a fan watching you know, the.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Great pitching they had, the great hitting they had growing up,
and farewell to the coliseum. Take a little piece of it.
And what piece would you take? And what's the weakest memorabilia?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Think about it? What if someone bought these seats because
isn't today the last game? Yeah? What if they forgot
there was one more game they did?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think if Wrigley was ever to go down, and
it shouldn't because getting rid of the Yankee Stadium original
the Yanks Staium was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You want a brick from the wall, right, a brick
or I don't want from Maybe put some ivy, but
like try it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Some foam from any other wall I don't think has
any value. Once so part of the Green Monster, part
of the Green Monster. But hopefully these things never go away, right,
But sometimes you need a new star, and you know,
congrats on a great run at the Coliseum now, but
I don't want any dirt, just saying, but Dave Winfield's
Teddy Whitey is from eighty seven now, so hey, thank
(06:46):
you guys for taking it back with us. Look, I
threw it back to the eighties right here? That a
members only member? Am I the only member?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Anyway? It's getting hot in here.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So who are the Yanks playing this final weekend? They're
playing the Orioles and the Pirates. The Orioles could have
meant something, but they slipped.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Huh. That would have been awesome, but still they're battling now.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Speaking to baseball, see, Jay Abrams was in the news
the past few weeks because he was demoted to the
minor League's TRIPLEA from the Nationals All Stars shortstop demoted
to the minor leagues because he stayed out late partying
at a casino till eight in the morning and it
was an afternoon game against the Cubs in Chicago, and
the coaches and management like, yo, is he serious about this?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We have a standard. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was basically on principle, not on his stats two
forty six, twenty home run sixty five RBI. He'd been
in the league for three years, and they're like, you know,
we're sending him down for the greater good of the organization,
for the greater good of him.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He's down.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't like this move because listen, you could say,
what type of kid is staying out till eight am
at a casino. Your performance on the field is all
that matters. I believe it was David Wells on the
Yankees who was hammered till wee hours of the night
with the cast of Saturday Night Live. And he goes
(08:04):
to pitch a perfect game. That's a legendary story.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
The reason that's the legendary story is because it's an exception.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's rare that that's the case.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And the legend goes, he was partying with Jimmy Fallon
and Seth Myers and David Cohenes.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They realized, I only get a game.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, And he was pitching the next day and he
showed up half drunk and hungover, said he had the
worst warm up of his life. And then he gets
on the mount there's a perfect game. But again that
is rare. That's an exceptional story. And then of course
the legendary story of doc Ellis, speaking of the pirates,
doc Ellis threw a perfect game in nineteen seventy or
was it a no hitter? Was it a perfect game
(08:39):
or no hitter? Either way either way nineteen seventy on LSD,
dude was on acid. But why do we know the
story because that's rare. So to condone and promote that
type of behavior, no, no, no, on LSD, As the
legend goes, The reason we talk about those stories is
because it's so rare and infrequent for these things to happen.
(09:02):
That's not how life goes. You don't just roll into
work and you feel like ass and you just have
the greatest day all the time. I mean, that's an exception.
I have done some good broadcast drunket parties exceptions. Those
are exceptions. That's not the norm.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think you you see if it becomes habitual.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So the question is the GM, Mike Rizzo and Dave
Martinez the coach, did they do the right thing here?
Do you agree with the player or do you agree
with the management? Do you organization? Now I'm here to say,
and not to sound like a mister Grundy, like players
shouldn't be out there partying, But when you got a
job to do and you're getting paid this much and
you're rolling up eight am not bringing your best and
(09:42):
the management is looking out for not only you as
a person, but you as their investment, I agree with management.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know they're a young man. He showed up, but
you have a job and a responsibility and you're getting
paid nicely for that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
If he showed up late, if he pulled a hammy
because he was dehydrated or something, that's a different story.
If there was a reason why, like yo, he was
zero for twelve this weekend, No it wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, but they did say I quote like for an
internal reason, internal issues, meaning like they may have had
other reasons like the principle of it, like to make
sure he doesn't go down the wrong path. That's why
they sent them down, so that maybe he doesn't do
it again. Well, look, I hate to make it about
my Yankees, but let's go Yanks. I'm we're in New
York shirt as we speak. Remember when Derek Jeter, who
(10:27):
wrote the blueprint how to do everything perfectly right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh god, God, you remember.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
When he stepped off a little bit and he was
partying too much. He had it out with George Steinbrenner.
Steinbrenner laid the SmackDown. He never did it again. They
made some fun commercials about it. But again, he never
stepped out of line again. And look what happened. He
had an All star career, a legendary career. That's what
the Nationals are trying to do here. They're trying to
set a precedence in a standard, and they're trying to say, Yo,
we believe in you, dude, and we care about you,
(10:53):
and this is why we're doing this. There's consequence. Why
do I picture David Cohen at a club. Was that
a commercial?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh it was a Louise so ho commerci like do
the cony?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
No? No, it was el Duken Elmo said by Duke.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They were doing the Duc dance, Remember the Duk dance.
Shit was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yoh, look, we got it. These guys are in the
prime of their life. They're partying, they're living it out.
But you still have a responsibility. You can't stroll in
at eight am for an afternoon game. All right, that's fair.
But when you're playing in Chicago and you're the starting shortstop.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Did you hear my guy on the Mets, Keith Hernandez
during the SNY broadcast when Gary Cohen brought it to
Keith's attention, It was a pretty funny exchange because you know, Gary,
Keith and Ron doing what they do, and the c
j A.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Brooms their star shortstop has been optioned to the minor
leagues because apparently he stayed out late.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Before reported to the ballpark, so really late.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I can see four in the morning, but not
eight am.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Spoken like a man, But the experience, I mean, because
Keith Nandez was doing for freaking cocaine.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
These guys in the eighties, different time, different level of competition,
and that's what made the Mets special.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Now every day they would go out here.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
This was smoking cigarettes in the duckout when he was
mad about a strikeout.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It really was again and that's what made them legends,
and that's what made it a story. But players today
have a different standard, different expectation. Can't roll the way
Keith and even Keith Hernandez face, he was like, oh yeah,
and you know what he does, make a fair point
near he is smoking a cigarette. If it was three am,
four am, dude, even like five in the morning, he just.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like the morning. He was having a crazy casino night.
Eight in the morning.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
The next day on your right spot, if you sneak
in before people wake up for their day. That's one
thing he got back when people were already in the office,
whatever they did for a living. You're you're not bringing
your best to the team. It's a team game. It's
a selfish act, right, I'm not condoning it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I get it. He's a young man. He's gonna learn
from this. But he also has to as a player
on the team, he has to be a leader. That's
not how leaders lead and as foolish behavior. I know
it sounds corny, but I do post this question once
again to the over Promised nation. Do you agree with
the player or do you agree with the organization? Because
anytime it's a contractual thing, you always got to have
(13:17):
the side of the of the man, not the organization.
But in this case, I do have side of the management. Okay, Now,
I know you wanted to talk about dancing because you
if I. If I think dancing, I think Steve Cavino.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Hold on, dude, yeah, I do the duke dance. He
does the duke.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I've seen Cavino at parties or winning the duka, but
it was an old commercial on the The most dancing
I've ever seen Covino do is greb his drink and
do like the head bob.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was me.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a nineties guy and that was
the dance little fist pump. I'm from Jersey. But we
bring up dance moves because we're heading into the weekend, right,
have some fun this weekend, we're celebrating two years Fox
Sports Radio episode sixty four of Over Promised. There's the
al Duque, what's dan called?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
There's David Jones.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And then and then the Cone goes to the bathroom
to practice and Louis Soho walks in.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Don't you have it?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's so man. There he is and then he's practicing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's funny as hell, so dance moves.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We bring that up because there was two stories in
the past few weeks. David Cone is great. Now he
gets caught practicing Derek Carr celebrating a touchdown and he
does his Michael Jackson thing. He grabs the way vos right,
he does that, he does, and he's fined fourteen thousand dollars,
(14:47):
which is again, Billy, that's ridiculous. That's nothing to these guys.
But again set in a standard. Yeah, right, he practiced that. Yeah,
he practiced that. He did the whole thing. And I
mean to even be fine as ridicul he's celebrating the
touchdown in the NFL. That's ridiculous in hisself. Then you
know the story of Jason Kelsey. You saw him dancing.
(15:08):
You saw this go everywhere, right, but it hasn't gone
away because that little gift of him dancing has been
all over social media.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, this one, he's like an e DM festival that's like,
you know, he is feeling it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, he's so feeling it at.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Four am at the club, You're like, wow, you know,
for a big guy, he moves pretty good. I hate
that spot on shrooms at Coachella and since then on
the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm sure you heard of it, Travis. It wasn't sad.
He was actually having fun in this moment. That's a move. Yeah, well,
Travis asked him about it, did you say? I did not.
I will take a look. Let's let's take new moves.
Jason's showing off some moves. One move that is actually
new to me. I've only seen you hit one of
(15:54):
these two moves before. I told this to Kylie. I said,
that's a new move. That is new move. I haven't
seen in that one yet.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Kylie said it's the same as the stop. She said,
it's just a different variation of your stop. Yeah, which
means it's a new move. This stomp though, the running man,
it wasn't my best running man.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I've been better at running down. Are kidding enough?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
What happened is We're supposed to be on that stage
to start countdown, and I walked over there way too early.
I had to kill thirty minutes before the show started,
and I'm just up there with these DJs, just standing there.
I'm like, I gotta do something up here. Can't just
stand here like a damo. I gotta bring the.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Energy down again.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Really funny. I love the chemistry there. They're brothers, right.
I love that Travis is calling him out on this.
But that thing went crazy viral and hasn't gone away since.
And then it posted the question. You know, I'm glad
we played that al Duque commercial because I think that's
the last dance move I ever practiced. Are you in
the business as a grown ass man? In new dance
moves like the stop? I'll tell you a quick story.
(16:54):
And by the way, he does a great job.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I give him prompts. Maybe I have.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
To rethink this because he pulled it off. I mean,
but my daughter came running up to me at her
playground with all her little friends. Right again, she's a
high school kid, so she's there with her her friend
Gregor's or Jaython whatever his name was, right whatever, iver
a goofy little name he had was. She goes, dad,
do the gritty like what she's like, do the gritty now?
(17:21):
All her little friends like circled around me. Do the gritty,
mister Kviino, do the gritty? And I looked at all
these little nose pickers right, I'm like, I'm not doing
a great get out of here beat. It like, is
that something you tried? Ever as an adult? It doesn't
work well. So my question to you, based on Justin Jefferson,
based on Kelsey, based on Derek Carr, are you working
(17:46):
on new dance moves as an adult? I say absolutely no,
and I'm pretty sure Sebastian Maniscalco has mentioned this in
one of his routines. Either way, I feel like it's
a Maniscalco thing. Whatever I learned the junior high is
where it ended for me.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
No dance moves. But if you've seen he stopped at
the running Man, have you've seen it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's definitely clips on TikTok and Instagram where based on
your moves at a wedding or an event, people could
tell you how old you are.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think, look, when it comes to staying in style
and staying relevant, I take a lot of pride in
being appropriate, Like you don't want to act like the
young guy. When it comes to dance moves, I think
it does end at whatever generation you're at.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
If you were an L plus you're a dancer.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
If you had a form, if you had five more
inches of height and you were a bigger guy and
somehow made it to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and you score a touchdown? Yeah? Are you just
spiking the ball?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Would you? If you're the gritty for him? Is age appropriate?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And so my question based on that is, if you're
watching this and you're in your forties, late thirties, you know,
whatever age you are, are you in the business learning
new moves or you stuck in whatever generation of the
cabbage patch you're in.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's what I'm asking. I just think I don't think
you know that I'm generation running man, and that's where
it stops.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think we don't realize that which has learned anything
since the Carlton day. If you're a kid of the
eighties or nineties, you stopped at Moonwalk, you realize that
you are stuck in your moves, like you know how
you'd make fun of like your parents and uncles and
aunts at a wedding, They're just like.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, dude, you dance like Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yo, which, by the way, the best dance Moves. That's
an episode one of the new docu series.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So funny. It's so funny, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I'm still trying to figure out the moonwalk because I'm
a kid of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That's where it stopped for me.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So to hear that Jason Kelsey's doing the stomp and
he's learning new dance moves, I almost got applaud him,
or I question it, but applaud him at the same time,
because I stopped learning dance moves when I was in
the mirror in junior high. And that's that's really it.
What move is that that you know what you're doing?
The best stiller from along came Polly, the best Stiller.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That's that's where I stopped.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So how do you feel about it? What are your thoughts?
I enjoyed that Elements is a choice new dance moves.
I don't think you need Wow. He's everywhere unless you're
on a stage somewhere. I don't think you need one.
You stick to whatever you learned, You groove to the music,
You pump your fist and hold your drink up.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You bop your head, dance dance away, have a great
dance into the weekend. Before we get into the weekend,
let me give you real quick I said it earlier
today on Fox Sports Radio. But if you're late to
that and you're catching us live now and you didn't
listen to our show earlier teaser for tonight's game, you know,
just keep.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
On off with the whole time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It is funny though, So my point is he made
me question my thought of you don't learn new dances,
and then I'm like, maybe you do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You just put on your jacket like you're mister Rogers.
I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Let me tell you tonight in just a few minutes
from now. Cowboys Giants. I like the Giants getting a
lot of points. I'm not saying they're gonna win, but
I like the Giants getting double digits. There five and
a half point underdog. I think the Giants gotta shoe
pick that. Eleven and a half point underdogs and the
over unders forty four and a half tease it up
(21:05):
to fifty and a half and I like the under.
I feel like a low scoring game that's closer, So
lock it in DraftKings Code c our Show Giants plus
eleven and a half under fifty.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That's teaser town. Nice. Look.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'll be watching GOT two, one and two teams just
to see what the Cowboys do alone. If the Cowboys
drop to one and three, yeah, that's in itself. And
a quick reminder when you're done with the game, watch
that mister McMahon documentary even if you're not a wrestling
guy from back in the day's really good. But you know,
throw it back on a Thursday and reminists really good.
That's on Netflix. American Sports Story is really good too.
(21:43):
That Aaron Hernandez docuseriies we had josh Uvera on what
like episode sixty two or so if you want to
catch it here on over Promise. But that's worth the
watch as well. That's on Hulu. And just enjoy your weekend, everybody.
Enjoy your baseball, enjoy your foosball, and you know what,
maybe learn a new dance movie too. Hey, maybe I
think you'd be more couple of doing the gritty or
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You know what, I'm gonna go home and figure it out.
No practice. We'll see you guys next time.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Until then, thank you for watching, thanks for listening, or
ribadreci baby do you mean over promis
Yeah, do it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What's going on, buddies, another bonus pod CNR.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to over.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Promised Episode sixty four, and thanks you for celebrating two
years of Cobno and Rich today, two years afternoons on
Fox Sports Radio two to four in the West, five
to seven on the East.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We've been part of the Fox.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Sports Radio family now for over three years if you
include weekends and part time and everything, but two years today.
Thanks to you, guys. And this is all the stuff
we can't fit to our action packed show.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Greatness.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Steve Cavino, Rich Davis, we're gonna talk dance moves, We're
gonna get you ready for Thursday night foosball and when
you're gritty or what we're gonna talk about partying in baseball.
But Rich, I know you want to talk about the coliseum.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, the Oakland Coliseum. Nineteen sixty six, it opened up.
The A's have been playing there since sixty eight. Remember
you would always see the Oakland Raiders play there, and
you see the baseball field while they were playing football.
A big part of our childhood. And we say farewell
to the Oakland Coliseum. And did you see the security
guard filling up water bottles of dirt for fans to
(01:14):
take home as a keepsake.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I did.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It was cool to see all the legends come back.
It was also this cool to see the Ricky was there. Yeah,
but this was wild.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I thought that was a cool moment and it got
me thinking that I actually have a zip block baggy
not of dirt weed.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's actually dirt from Chase Stadium. I'm a Mets.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Fan, and I do think it's the weakest memorabilia have about.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
To give you a low five for that. Look, I
get it, you want a piece of history. They had
a great run there. They did their best. They won
a World Series or two, right, they did their thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, you can't take the eighties fans, Let's say you
can't take the last couple of years of the a
sucking ass No, no, no, no, Assign that to the
great teams of the seventies with Reggie Jackson or the
the Bash brothers and Dennis Eckersley and Dave Stewart. All
we have to Giombi, that team and that franchise delivered
in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
McGuire, Canseco Diego. I mean a lot of legends bad
Why Stewart Eckersley was there just this past weekend. Legendary teams,
you know, legendary players moments. Carney Langsford in a yeah,
now you know they're playing like ass as the viral
hat says, right. But yeah, you want a piece of
the history. But that's the weakest piece. But it does
(02:28):
take me back. Rich, weren't you the kid that also
wanted George the Animal Steel's turnbuckle?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
True story as we all watched the mister McMahon, you're five.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I was at Nassau Coliseu. I'm on Long Islands and Georgia.
Animal Steele, as he always did, ripped open the turn buckle.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Was eating it. He threw pieces.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's just styrofoam right into the crowd.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I mean it's turnbuckle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I for my whole childhood, mixed in with my baseball
car collection and my Newty magazines and all my little,
you know, young boy collectibles, I had a zip block
bag of turn buckle until I realized what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, that's my point, because.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I wait, spun am By in the front row there.
I proved you wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Rich said this might be the worst collectible possible. Dirt
from a field it's part of the field. That's kind
of cool. Nothing's weaker than already been showed turnbuckle from
George the Animal that Rich has somewhere in the closet.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So what you're saying is in my man cave, I
shouldn't have dirt and a turn buckle on the main.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, but dirt is one of the weakest ones. And
I say this respectfully because we did have a listener
and I appreciate all the generosity and offerings from our
listeners and friends. But someone sent me dirt from the
original Yankee Stadium, and unless it's framed and displayed properly,
it's just dirt. Someone sent me a zip block bag
(03:52):
of the dirt, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I don't even know where it is. I left it here.
I think you threw it away. I thought I thought
I might have just come off and shoes. Rich thought
it was like chocolate cake mix or something.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So I do agree that if it's presented properly, meaning
like my wife and I on our honeymoon, we have
sand from the beach we went to, but it's in
a little cute jar that says that you know the country,
and that's cool.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But nowhere near as cool as as stadium dirt, especially
if there's a legacy there, especially if they won there,
and of course, you know, especially if it doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So, Yeah, the original Yankee Stadium, I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But it was in a ziplock baggie. What do I
do with that? You gotta get it displayed. And you know,
it's cool to see that they still wanted a piece
of this. It was cool to see them taking it.
But did you see the dudes taking the seats?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
By the way, why don't you eat it or snort it?
The Yankee Stadium will forever be a part of you.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, maybe, because you know what, I don't know where
it is because I left it here on my desk
and Rich put it somewhere. It's somewhere. It's somewhere. But
is it the weakest. It's not the weakest. The turn
buckles the weakest, but the chairs.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I thought that was kind of wild too. When you
see the fans.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Just what did they take a screwdriver with them to
the game? Yeah, by the way, how do you get
that into the stadium? No?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Really, they take a wrench. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think this is pretty cool because I've seen a
lot of people in their burn caves and they're you know,
their garages or family rooms have chairs from an old stadium.
In fact, my buddy Mike has two seats from the
old Chase Stadium in his basement where he watches a game.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He doesn't sit on them, but they're there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I looked on eBay, would you believe like thousands
of dollars for Yankee Stadium, Chase Stadium, like any stadium
that closed down for that matter.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And those are just the weekends plastic ones from the
old Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
The one from the forties to the seventies. Yeah, they
go back even further. So hey, farewell. Lots of great
memories depending on how old you are. You know, Rich
took you back to the sixties, seventies, the rolly fingers days,
you know, and of course the eighties was a lot
of fun as a fan watching you know, the.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Great pitching they had, the great hitting they had growing up,
and farewell to the coliseum. Take a little piece of it.
And what piece would you take? And what's the weakest memorabilia?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Think about it? What if someone bought these seats because
isn't today the last game? Yeah? What if they forgot
there was one more game they did?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think if Wrigley was ever to go down, and
it shouldn't because getting rid of the Yankee Stadium original
the Yanks Staium was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You want a brick from the wall, right, a brick
or I don't want from Maybe put some ivy, but
like try it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Some foam from any other wall I don't think has
any value. Once so part of the Green Monster, part
of the Green Monster. But hopefully these things never go away, right,
But sometimes you need a new star, and you know,
congrats on a great run at the Coliseum now, but
I don't want any dirt, just saying, but Dave Winfield's
Teddy Whitey is from eighty seven now, so hey, thank
(06:46):
you guys for taking it back with us. Look, I
threw it back to the eighties right here? That a
members only member? Am I the only member?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Anyway? It's getting hot in here.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So who are the Yanks playing this final weekend? They're
playing the Orioles and the Pirates. The Orioles could have
meant something, but they slipped.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Huh. That would have been awesome, but still they're battling now.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Speaking to baseball, see, Jay Abrams was in the news
the past few weeks because he was demoted to the
minor League's TRIPLEA from the Nationals All Stars shortstop demoted
to the minor leagues because he stayed out late partying
at a casino till eight in the morning and it
was an afternoon game against the Cubs in Chicago, and
the coaches and management like, yo, is he serious about this?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
We have a standard. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was basically on principle, not on his stats two
forty six, twenty home run sixty five RBI. He'd been
in the league for three years, and they're like, you know,
we're sending him down for the greater good of the organization,
for the greater good of him.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
He's down.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't like this move because listen, you could say,
what type of kid is staying out till eight am
at a casino. Your performance on the field is all
that matters. I believe it was David Wells on the
Yankees who was hammered till wee hours of the night
with the cast of Saturday Night Live. And he goes
(08:04):
to pitch a perfect game. That's a legendary story.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
The reason that's the legendary story is because it's an exception.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's rare that that's the case.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And the legend goes, he was partying with Jimmy Fallon
and Seth Myers and David Cohenes.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They realized, I only get a game.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, And he was pitching the next day and he
showed up half drunk and hungover, said he had the
worst warm up of his life. And then he gets
on the mount there's a perfect game. But again that
is rare. That's an exceptional story. And then of course
the legendary story of doc Ellis, speaking of the pirates,
doc Ellis threw a perfect game in nineteen seventy or
was it a no hitter? Was it a perfect game
(08:39):
or no hitter? Either way either way nineteen seventy on LSD,
dude was on acid. But why do we know the
story because that's rare. So to condone and promote that
type of behavior, no, no, no, on LSD, As the
legend goes, The reason we talk about those stories is
because it's so rare and infrequent for these things to happen.
(09:02):
That's not how life goes. You don't just roll into
work and you feel like ass and you just have
the greatest day all the time. I mean, that's an exception.
I have done some good broadcast drunket parties exceptions. Those
are exceptions. That's not the norm.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think you you see if it becomes habitual.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So the question is the GM, Mike Rizzo and Dave
Martinez the coach, did they do the right thing here?
Do you agree with the player or do you agree
with the management? Do you organization? Now I'm here to say,
and not to sound like a mister Grundy, like players
shouldn't be out there partying, But when you got a
job to do and you're getting paid this much and
you're rolling up eight am not bringing your best and
(09:42):
the management is looking out for not only you as
a person, but you as their investment, I agree with management.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know they're a young man. He showed up, but
you have a job and a responsibility and you're getting
paid nicely for that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
If he showed up late, if he pulled a hammy
because he was dehydrated or something, that's a different story.
If there was a reason why, like yo, he was
zero for twelve this weekend, No it wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, but they did say I quote like for an
internal reason, internal issues, meaning like they may have had
other reasons like the principle of it, like to make
sure he doesn't go down the wrong path. That's why
they sent them down, so that maybe he doesn't do
it again. Well, look, I hate to make it about
my Yankees, but let's go Yanks. I'm we're in New
York shirt as we speak. Remember when Derek Jeter, who
(10:27):
wrote the blueprint how to do everything perfectly right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh god, God, you remember.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
When he stepped off a little bit and he was
partying too much. He had it out with George Steinbrenner.
Steinbrenner laid the SmackDown. He never did it again. They
made some fun commercials about it. But again, he never
stepped out of line again. And look what happened. He
had an All star career, a legendary career. That's what
the Nationals are trying to do here. They're trying to
set a precedence in a standard, and they're trying to say, Yo,
we believe in you, dude, and we care about you,
(10:53):
and this is why we're doing this. There's consequence. Why
do I picture David Cohen at a club. Was that
a commercial?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh it was a Louise so ho commerci like do
the cony?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
No? No, it was el Duken Elmo said by Duke.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They were doing the Duc dance, Remember the Duk dance.
Shit was funny.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yoh, look, we got it. These guys are in the
prime of their life. They're partying, they're living it out.
But you still have a responsibility. You can't stroll in
at eight am for an afternoon game. All right, that's fair.
But when you're playing in Chicago and you're the starting shortstop.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Did you hear my guy on the Mets, Keith Hernandez
during the SNY broadcast when Gary Cohen brought it to
Keith's attention, It was a pretty funny exchange because you know, Gary,
Keith and Ron doing what they do, and the c
j A.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Brooms their star shortstop has been optioned to the minor
leagues because apparently he stayed out late.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Before reported to the ballpark, so really late.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I can see four in the morning, but not
eight am.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Spoken like a man, But the experience, I mean, because
Keith Nandez was doing for freaking cocaine.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
These guys in the eighties, different time, different level of competition,
and that's what made the Mets special.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Now every day they would go out here.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
This was smoking cigarettes in the duckout when he was
mad about a strikeout.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It really was again and that's what made them legends,
and that's what made it a story. But players today
have a different standard, different expectation. Can't roll the way
Keith and even Keith Hernandez face, he was like, oh yeah,
and you know what he does, make a fair point
near he is smoking a cigarette. If it was three am,
four am, dude, even like five in the morning, he just.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like the morning. He was having a crazy casino night.
Eight in the morning.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
The next day on your right spot, if you sneak
in before people wake up for their day. That's one
thing he got back when people were already in the office,
whatever they did for a living. You're you're not bringing
your best to the team. It's a team game. It's
a selfish act, right, I'm not condoning it.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I get it. He's a young man. He's gonna learn
from this. But he also has to as a player
on the team, he has to be a leader. That's
not how leaders lead and as foolish behavior. I know
it sounds corny, but I do post this question once
again to the over Promised nation. Do you agree with
the player or do you agree with the organization? Because
anytime it's a contractual thing, you always got to have
(13:17):
the side of the of the man, not the organization.
But in this case, I do have side of the management. Okay, Now,
I know you wanted to talk about dancing because you
if I. If I think dancing, I think Steve Cavino.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Hold on, dude, yeah, I do the duke dance. He
does the duke.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I've seen Cavino at parties or winning the duka, but
it was an old commercial on the The most dancing
I've ever seen Covino do is greb his drink and
do like the head bob.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was me.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a nineties guy and that was
the dance little fist pump. I'm from Jersey. But we
bring up dance moves because we're heading into the weekend, right,
have some fun this weekend, we're celebrating two years Fox
Sports Radio episode sixty four of Over Promised. There's the
al Duque, what's dan called?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
There's David Jones.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And then and then the Cone goes to the bathroom
to practice and Louis Soho walks in.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Don't you have it?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's so man. There he is and then he's practicing.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's funny as hell, so dance moves.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
We bring that up because there was two stories in
the past few weeks. David Cone is great. Now he
gets caught practicing Derek Carr celebrating a touchdown and he
does his Michael Jackson thing. He grabs the way vos right,
he does that, he does, and he's fined fourteen thousand dollars,
(14:47):
which is again, Billy, that's ridiculous. That's nothing to these guys.
But again set in a standard. Yeah, right, he practiced that. Yeah,
he practiced that. He did the whole thing. And I
mean to even be fine as ridicul he's celebrating the
touchdown in the NFL. That's ridiculous in hisself. Then you
know the story of Jason Kelsey. You saw him dancing.
(15:08):
You saw this go everywhere, right, but it hasn't gone
away because that little gift of him dancing has been
all over social media.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, this one, he's like an e DM festival that's like,
you know, he is feeling it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, he's so feeling it at.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Four am at the club, You're like, wow, you know,
for a big guy, he moves pretty good. I hate
that spot on shrooms at Coachella and since then on
the New Heights podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm sure you heard of it, Travis. It wasn't sad.
He was actually having fun in this moment. That's a move. Yeah, well,
Travis asked him about it, did you say? I did not.
I will take a look. Let's let's take new moves.
Jason's showing off some moves. One move that is actually
new to me. I've only seen you hit one of
(15:54):
these two moves before. I told this to Kylie. I said,
that's a new move. That is new move. I haven't
seen in that one yet.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Kylie said it's the same as the stop. She said,
it's just a different variation of your stop. Yeah, which
means it's a new move. This stomp though, the running man,
it wasn't my best running man.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I've been better at running down. Are kidding enough?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
What happened is We're supposed to be on that stage
to start countdown, and I walked over there way too early.
I had to kill thirty minutes before the show started,
and I'm just up there with these DJs, just standing there.
I'm like, I gotta do something up here. Can't just
stand here like a damo. I gotta bring the.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Energy down again.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Really funny. I love the chemistry there. They're brothers, right.
I love that Travis is calling him out on this.
But that thing went crazy viral and hasn't gone away since.
And then it posted the question. You know, I'm glad
we played that al Duque commercial because I think that's
the last dance move I ever practiced. Are you in
the business as a grown ass man? In new dance
moves like the stop? I'll tell you a quick story.
(16:54):
And by the way, he does a great job.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I give him prompts. Maybe I have.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
To rethink this because he pulled it off. I mean,
but my daughter came running up to me at her
playground with all her little friends. Right again, she's a
high school kid, so she's there with her her friend
Gregor's or Jaython whatever his name was, right whatever, iver
a goofy little name he had was. She goes, dad,
do the gritty like what she's like, do the gritty now?
(17:21):
All her little friends like circled around me. Do the gritty,
mister Kviino, do the gritty? And I looked at all
these little nose pickers right, I'm like, I'm not doing
a great get out of here beat. It like, is
that something you tried? Ever as an adult? It doesn't
work well. So my question to you, based on Justin Jefferson,
based on Kelsey, based on Derek Carr, are you working
(17:46):
on new dance moves as an adult? I say absolutely no,
and I'm pretty sure Sebastian Maniscalco has mentioned this in
one of his routines. Either way, I feel like it's
a Maniscalco thing. Whatever I learned the junior high is
where it ended for me.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
No dance moves. But if you've seen he stopped at
the running Man, have you've seen it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's definitely clips on TikTok and Instagram where based on
your moves at a wedding or an event, people could
tell you how old you are.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think, look, when it comes to staying in style
and staying relevant, I take a lot of pride in
being appropriate, Like you don't want to act like the
young guy. When it comes to dance moves, I think
it does end at whatever generation you're at.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
If you were an L plus you're a dancer.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
If you had a form, if you had five more
inches of height and you were a bigger guy and
somehow made it to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, and you score a touchdown? Yeah? Are you just
spiking the ball?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Would you? If you're the gritty for him? Is age appropriate?
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
And so my question based on that is, if you're
watching this and you're in your forties, late thirties, you know,
whatever age you are, are you in the business learning
new moves or you stuck in whatever generation of the
cabbage patch you're in.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's what I'm asking. I just think I don't think
you know that I'm generation running man, and that's where
it stops.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think we don't realize that which has learned anything
since the Carlton day. If you're a kid of the
eighties or nineties, you stopped at Moonwalk, you realize that
you are stuck in your moves, like you know how
you'd make fun of like your parents and uncles and
aunts at a wedding, They're just like.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, dude, you dance like Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yo, which, by the way, the best dance Moves. That's
an episode one of the new docu series.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So funny. It's so funny, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I'm still trying to figure out the moonwalk because I'm
a kid of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That's where it stopped for me.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
So to hear that Jason Kelsey's doing the stomp and
he's learning new dance moves, I almost got applaud him,
or I question it, but applaud him at the same time,
because I stopped learning dance moves when I was in
the mirror in junior high. And that's that's really it.
What move is that that you know what you're doing?
The best stiller from along came Polly, the best Stiller.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That's that's where I stopped.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So how do you feel about it? What are your thoughts?
I enjoyed that Elements is a choice new dance moves.
I don't think you need Wow. He's everywhere unless you're
on a stage somewhere. I don't think you need one.
You stick to whatever you learned, You groove to the music,
You pump your fist and hold your drink up.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You bop your head, dance dance away, have a great
dance into the weekend. Before we get into the weekend,
let me give you real quick I said it earlier
today on Fox Sports Radio. But if you're late to
that and you're catching us live now and you didn't
listen to our show earlier teaser for tonight's game, you know,
just keep.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
On off with the whole time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It is funny though, So my point is he made
me question my thought of you don't learn new dances,
and then I'm like, maybe you do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You just put on your jacket like you're mister Rogers.
I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Let me tell you tonight in just a few minutes
from now. Cowboys Giants. I like the Giants getting a
lot of points. I'm not saying they're gonna win, but
I like the Giants getting double digits. There five and
a half point underdog. I think the Giants gotta shoe
pick that. Eleven and a half point underdogs and the
over unders forty four and a half tease it up
(21:05):
to fifty and a half and I like the under.
I feel like a low scoring game that's closer, So
lock it in DraftKings Code c our Show Giants plus
eleven and a half under fifty.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
That's teaser town. Nice. Look.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
I'll be watching GOT two, one and two teams just
to see what the Cowboys do alone. If the Cowboys
drop to one and three, yeah, that's in itself. And
a quick reminder when you're done with the game, watch
that mister McMahon documentary even if you're not a wrestling
guy from back in the day's really good. But you know,
throw it back on a Thursday and reminists really good.
That's on Netflix. American Sports Story is really good too.
(21:43):
That Aaron Hernandez docuseriies we had josh Uvera on what
like episode sixty two or so if you want to
catch it here on over Promise. But that's worth the
watch as well. That's on Hulu. And just enjoy your weekend, everybody.
Enjoy your baseball, enjoy your foosball, and you know what,
maybe learn a new dance movie too. Hey, maybe I
think you'd be more couple of doing the gritty or
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You know what, I'm gonna go home and figure it out.
No practice. We'll see you guys next time.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Until then, thank you for watching, thanks for listening, or
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