March 4, 2019 • 23 mins
A divorced Susan Burley, aka Trixie Fou Laurant, decides to do middle age a little differently.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
He said, there are paintings in museums all over the
world of women with bodies just like yours. Welcome to
another installment of What of the Wild and Wonderful Ossie Confidential.
(00:29):
I'm your host, Eugene S. Robinson, and today we have
a one, Miss Trixie fool Laurent, stage name for a
Susan Burley who grew up back in Virginia. They've been
a fairly average existence, fairly average marriage, moved to sunny California,
(00:51):
living the life of a Silicon Valley wade slave, and
then something happened. Everything fell a part, the marriage gone,
the wage, slavery gone, which under normal circumstances doesn't sound
so bad. But she had to redefine herself and did
so first as a burlesque performer baby and then beyond
(01:17):
sex camming for fun and apparently profit, all at the
age of almost fifty. But eight eight, let's have her telling.
(01:39):
What happened was this, This girl came from Hawaii to
make a film like a This guy was making small
independent film. So that's where they met. They met here,
and I think that's when this affair started. And so
I'm just like, oh, great to have fun working on
the movie, and you know, and then he said, I'm
(02:03):
going to go to Hawaii to work on this movie
with this guy because he saw the stuff I did
on this one and he liked it, so I'm going
to go and make this movie. I'm like, okay, great,
that's wonderful. But what it was really doing was going
to Hawaii to spend time with this girl. There was
no movie. And so it's funny because you know, people
(02:24):
lied to themselves and start to believe their own lies.
Oh it did I mention that the person he was
having this affair with was half my age, half my size.
Very uh, very very very much of an ego blow
having having to deal with that. It should have ended
(02:46):
much much sooner than it did. But you know, avoidance
and denial or powerful powerful things. The lying and lying
and lying on land. There were some pretty big lies
in there, and you know, I was just like, you know,
if this, if we were business partners, we had a
business together and it was stealing money, I'd have to
like not be business partners with them anymore. And finally
(03:09):
I had to like, either you know, keep going and
on that road or decide to get off. So I
decided to get off and it was very difficult. It
was very difficulty. So now, and how did you get
yourself into the performative kind of the burlesque world? My
therapist he, uh, we were you know, like like the
(03:34):
marriage was was done and just kind of adjusting to that.
And he's like, you know what I want you to do.
I want you to take a class. It doesn't matter
what it is, but something you're interested in, like something
you've always wanted to do but never did, cooking class,
rock climbing, whatever, language, whatever. Just do something outside of
(03:58):
your normal you. You know, there are lots of adult
education classes you could have taken French or saxophone or pottery.
But but but why why burlesque? How was it that
end up being burlesque? Mostly because I remember my friend was,
you know, offering the class, and you know, like my
(04:20):
therapist had said, it was something that I'd always kind
of wanted to do but just never did. So I
called her and she's like, you know what, I've got
one slot left, it's all yours. And how old were
you at this point? Let's not let's not let's not
talk numbers. Let's not older than me. So everybody's young. Okay,
I know, you know, and I shouldn't be ashamed of
(04:42):
it because because really I feel like me doing that.
I was forty five when I started um doing this,
and uh so I feel like I'm also representing women
of a certain aide who you know, at a certain
point in life where you know. My message that I'm
trying to send is that ladies, the parties not over that,
(05:05):
like like we we could just be getting started here. Okay, Um,
how much of a possibility is it that that this
happened because the burlesque class was mostly women and it
felt like a like a safe space. Yeah, that's a
good point, because that that really was, you know, it
was a very safe, safe place to be and I
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did like that. Had you ever spent any time on
stage before undressed, not dressed or undressed? Okay? Alright, so no,
no school plays, nothing, No really yeah, very very shy,
very behind the scenes. I'm just like, I don't want
any attention, no attention, don't look at me, don't see me. Alright.
(05:49):
So so now so now what now what starts to
happen at the burlesque class? So, so, the burlesque class is,
like you know, twelve weeks um and at the end
there's a performance. So now what did you do for
your first, your very first burlesquee? I did a cramp song,
which the way I walked just because it was like
(06:30):
the shortest. I was like, I'm going to find the
shortest song possible. I think I think that's as like
two minutes long. It was like, perfect, two minutes. I
can do two minutes. So now, but this was You've
gone from never being on stage before being completely well
not completely, but you know, majorly naked on pretty much
pretty much. And and and I felt like I felt
like it was it was it was a cleansing thing
(06:53):
because of the divorce and all of that, and just
there were there were so many people that I friends
of ours or knew this and you know, everything people
stuff about me that it just like felt invaded. And
I was like, well, okay, so you've seen you've seen
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my soul. Now here's everything else. Here you go, here,
you go, here, you go here, you go here, you
go here. It seems to me a major positive development
that you re report this to the therapist and go, hey,
look what where I am? Yeah? Yeah, And you know,
he was just like, yeah, that's great. Just end up
changing the way you felt about your body. Absolutely. Yeah.
(07:37):
I had never really felt like I wanted to show
my body, and and this made me feel like, yeah,
it's okay, it's okay, like this is this is it,
and and I'm okay with it. You you you may
not be. It doesn't really matter. It's it's it's for me,
you know. I just felt like my whole world had
(07:59):
kind of collapsed, you know, like everything I thought was
so wasn't It just had kind of evaporated and it
was just like and it's like free fall for for
a while. And it took me a while to get
my footing back. Did this change your approach to your sexuality?
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I've I've often said that burlesque was the gateway into pornography,
because you know, once you're comfortable with yourself, then you know,
then yeah, you're comfortable and less inhibited and you know,
and and the way that I actually got into doing
horn or sex work was, um, there was a woman
(08:44):
who worked at Kink. She actually still works there. In
like the accounting finance office, like king dot com had
several websites that you could be a member of and
Kink Live was one of those Troy and when I
ran into her and uh was, you know, just like, yeah,
(09:05):
I gotta find gotta find some work out, to find
something to do. And she was like, oh my god,
why don't you just come down and start doing this
because you know there's decent money in it and you
can start doing it, and yeah, why not? And so
as I as I needed money and that that opportunity
was there, it was like, oh, well, I really don't
(09:26):
have a problem with that, So why not Once you
go there, once you've done it, once you've been naked
in front of people, it's not so difficult to continue
to be naked in front of people. I guess do
you think you think your ex is has ever seen
any of your work? I had been doing the Kink
Live stuff for a little while before he found out,
(09:48):
and uh, he was like in the art departments set building.
And it's funny because I actually ended up working on
one of the sets that he had built. I know, right,
I know it's I don't know, I don't know what
to call that is a justice retribution? I don't know.
(10:13):
I think I think Charlie Broads had used to call that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
So now do they set you up from your laptop
from home? They had they had the studio set up,
so they had like four or five sets that you
could you know, you could go in and do it there.
(10:33):
They had all the equipment. Um, so that was easier
in the beginning. Is it like an I T person
who runs the computer? Actually you really typing on the computer? Um? Yeah,
there's a computer there, um and with the screen and everything.
So not your computer, a computer, yeah, a computer. Yeah,
so you're you're actually you know, there's a computer there
(10:54):
and you're interacting one on one and then behind the
scenes there are monitors and I T people and yeah,
they're all like monitoring and make sure the stream is
going and everything is up and running. So your your
shifts they start at eleven. You show up at eleven,
enter the room, log on, log on. So how does
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it work with pay structure? Right? People? I guess they
have to pay to talk to you or can they
watch you form? So it's set up so that you
you know, like like there's a public room and then
there's an option for the user to click into. There
were like two options, like a private and then like
a semi private, like it's a private but other people
(11:37):
can come in. So how do you keep the public
people from seeing it? I guess I t people. Yeah,
that's that's when the when the user clicks on, it
goes into like out of the public and into a
private one on one. So what happens? So now, what
happens in the private anything? Anything? This? I was like, Okay,
(12:01):
how many dildos do you have? I said, I've got
a lot, right, I got a got a wide array
of dildos here. He's like, okay, get them all together. Okay.
So he's like, okay, what do you put one in
your ass, one in your mouth, and hold the rest
of them in your arms and then jump around. So
he's like, okay, what do you put? Yeah? Yeah, just
(12:23):
like just like hop up, hop up, hop around in
the circle, right, And I'm just like, I'm laughing. I'm
just laughing at this because it's just I mean, it's
the most ridiculous thing I've ever done. I think, I think,
I think, I think you know my problem with with
like strip clubs in a certain type of sex work.
I remember, I've identified with the stage performer for so
(12:47):
long because I've been doing stage stuff since I was
like two that I could never get beyond that with
with a strip club, you know, other words, the performative aspects,
I could never get get beyond it. Right. So it's
like I always IDENTI fight more with the people on
stage and the people in the audience who were buying
what they used to call in pro fake wrestling cafebe
you know, they're buying the acts. You're in the room
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in front of a computer, you're doing it, like what's
going on in your mind? You know that It's funny
that you say that because because a lot of the
girls and a lot of the ones who made money,
we're doing like this like giving you know, like like
being that like porn person. Yeah, and people and they
(13:30):
bought it. They bought it. They bought it. Like every
time I heard a girl giggle, I'm just like, ah really,
and then you know, and then I just hear like,
you know, she's like ching ching ching ching ching ching,
Like then just like uh really, And you know, so
it just made me disappointed in men. But it's like, ah,
(13:51):
you guys, just suck it right up. I disbelieving. Do
you ever meet any of the people that can't your
your regulars in in real I r L and I did, yeah, because, um,
pretty much from from like the first week that I
was on there was there was one guy that he
(14:13):
would come in and he would just like hang out,
didn't really say anything. Um, it would just hang out
and like eventually started talking a little bit and then
he would come in and do privates every like every day.
And I was like, oh, this is my bread and butter.
This is like, you know this, I like this guy.
(14:35):
So he lives in Europe and we were just talking
and he he he liked me because I was older
and I could have conversation and he gave he gave
me the best compliment I've ever gotten in my life.
He said, Tricksy, there are paintings in museums all over
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the world old of women with bodies just like yours.
And I was like, okay, you put it that way.
Uh yeah, I was like wow. I mean it's like
it's like and he was paying for this privilege. This
is great. It's like kind of a reverse reversal of
the whole therapy thing. Yeah. It was just like it
(15:19):
was just like yeah, thank you right. So yeah, So
that was that was just a beautiful compliment. And uh
so we were talking and I said, well, you know,
if you ever come to San Francisco, he was like, well,
you know, I probably won't, but if you want to
(15:41):
come here, I was like, hmm, there's absolutely nothing keeping
me from doing that. So I said, yes, let's do that.
I just said, okay, great, I'll send you a ticket,
and uh so we planned it out and I went
there and stayed for a month, which is kind of
(16:02):
a kind of a risky thing to do. Like most
girls are like, oh no, no, no, you never ever
ever meet any of them, never under any circumstances. I'm like,
I don't know, I feel like I feel like this guy,
like we talked every single day, Like I know, I
feel like I feel like it's okay. I feel like,
you know, my gut is telling me that it's it's fine.
(16:25):
And uh so I went spent a month and it
was fantastic. It was great. So did he did he ever?
Did did they ever ask? Like inevitably at people do,
how did you two meet today? Oh? Had the whole
story concocted? Because you know, because he's very he's very proper,
(16:46):
like you see him and the first thing that you
think is not with a dirty, perverted old man. He is,
you know, because he's just it's just like you know,
it was just just a guy like doing his minding
his business, and you know, nobody would ever think what
lies beneath. So yeah, we had a whole story concocted
of how we met, and like like the first time
(17:08):
I had like the first time someone actually said so
how did you meet? And I had to I had
to go through the whole story. I could see him
like kind of leaning back, listening, you know, and I'm
just like, did I get around? He said, yeah, it
sounded good. What was like a business conference or whatever? Yeah, yeah,
like some online like group that close enough to the truth,
(17:29):
close enough that yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't just
like oh, well, you know, I'm on this webcam where
you know, and you know, he comes on in master
Beads And what about what about your your family back
in Virginia or folks or folks uh are they digging
(17:49):
on the burlesque thing or do they not know? Or
is it like I don't really I don't have any
contact with my family. Like my father died, like I
while I was still married, and my mother died a
few years ago, and I probably hadn't spoken to her
since my father died, actually for historical reasons, or had
(18:11):
there been had there been a riff of something? No, no,
I mean no riff really. Um, you know, my my
mother said something to me after my father died that
made me think, why why am I going back again
and again for this same treatment from her when I
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don't have to. I'm just going to cut ties and
be done. What did you say? My father had come out?
My father had been so I tried to you know,
it's a dad, why don't you just maybe come out here.
There's like, you know, maybe better doctors out here, maybe
you could see someone out here. And uh so, my
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when my father died and I was back at home
talking about, you know, the time that he was here,
and my mother just says, well, you know, he didn't
have a good time while he was out there. And
I was like, oh wow, that's that's just about the
meanest thing that you could have said to me. I
think I'm just done with, you know, things being said
(19:15):
to me like this, So I'm done. And that was
kind of our relationship anyway. So now now so so
coming from being firstly divorced to now you know, doing
sex scamming, um has your how far is your sense
(19:36):
of you know, your place in space, how far has
it gone? How far has it changed? Or was it
a question of you know, uncovering and discovering what was
already there. I think that's that's more accurate, uncovering what
had been covered up, because you know, like like with
the burlesque and being on stage was like, oh, okay,
(19:57):
I can do this, I can, I can I did.
I feel good about that. So it was like the
confidence and confidence building confidence started coming back, you know,
because you know, like I said, the marriage probably should
have ended like five six years sooner than it did,
(20:18):
you know, And and so it was just a matter
of spending a lot of years. It's like, oh, I
just uh, it's just easier to to not deal with this,
you know, and just suppressing and ignoring and denying um.
And then once I was free of all that, I
felt like I had come into my own What would
(20:39):
you tell your younger self about what you've learned? Uh,
probably to uh to start doing these things earlier in life,
because because I've enjoyed like everything everything, you know, since
you know, post divorce, everything that I've done, I've I've
not regretted anything, and uh, you know, only that I
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should have been doing this years ago. And now the
European guy is that? Is that like uh Latin movie
last year, Marian bod Is that an ongoing thing? Does
that continue or did that run its scores? No, I'm
I'm I'm planning a trip in June. So that's what
five five years later, I guess. But but now hold it,
(21:26):
I mean, just for verification, you were no longer the
sex count. Yeah, I have a nine to five D job.
I don't like it. I mean I like it, I
don't like I don't like working. I got this job
and I cried for three days, like I don't want
to work to work. It was the best job I've
ever had. If I if I'd been able to make
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enough money to not have to worry about making sure
I was you know, bills were paid, then I wouldn't
keep doing it. There you go. Sometimes it's that easy
or maybe not easy at all, depending on who you are,
your advantage point on life, and your outlook on not
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just about everything. But so it goes for Trixie fool
Laurant happy or happy enough. Sometimes it's it's a little
bit of the former and a lot of the ladder.
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He said, there are paintings in museums all over the
world of women with bodies just like yours. Welcome to
another installment of What of the Wild and Wonderful Ossie Confidential.
(00:29):
I'm your host, Eugene S. Robinson, and today we have
a one, Miss Trixie fool Laurent, stage name for a
Susan Burley who grew up back in Virginia. They've been
a fairly average existence, fairly average marriage, moved to sunny California,
(00:51):
living the life of a Silicon Valley wade slave, and
then something happened. Everything fell a part, the marriage gone,
the wage, slavery gone, which under normal circumstances doesn't sound
so bad. But she had to redefine herself and did
so first as a burlesque performer baby and then beyond
(01:17):
sex camming for fun and apparently profit, all at the
age of almost fifty. But eight eight, let's have her telling.
(01:39):
What happened was this, This girl came from Hawaii to
make a film like a This guy was making small
independent film. So that's where they met. They met here,
and I think that's when this affair started. And so
I'm just like, oh, great to have fun working on
the movie, and you know, and then he said, I'm
(02:03):
going to go to Hawaii to work on this movie
with this guy because he saw the stuff I did
on this one and he liked it, so I'm going
to go and make this movie. I'm like, okay, great,
that's wonderful. But what it was really doing was going
to Hawaii to spend time with this girl. There was
no movie. And so it's funny because you know, people
(02:24):
lied to themselves and start to believe their own lies.
Oh it did I mention that the person he was
having this affair with was half my age, half my size.
Very uh, very very very much of an ego blow
having having to deal with that. It should have ended
(02:46):
much much sooner than it did. But you know, avoidance
and denial or powerful powerful things. The lying and lying
and lying on land. There were some pretty big lies
in there, and you know, I was just like, you know,
if this, if we were business partners, we had a
business together and it was stealing money, I'd have to
like not be business partners with them anymore. And finally
(03:09):
I had to like, either you know, keep going and
on that road or decide to get off. So I
decided to get off and it was very difficult. It
was very difficulty. So now, and how did you get
yourself into the performative kind of the burlesque world? My
therapist he, uh, we were you know, like like the
(03:34):
marriage was was done and just kind of adjusting to that.
And he's like, you know what I want you to do.
I want you to take a class. It doesn't matter
what it is, but something you're interested in, like something
you've always wanted to do but never did, cooking class,
rock climbing, whatever, language, whatever. Just do something outside of
(03:58):
your normal you. You know, there are lots of adult
education classes you could have taken French or saxophone or pottery.
But but but why why burlesque? How was it that
end up being burlesque? Mostly because I remember my friend was,
you know, offering the class, and you know, like my
(04:20):
therapist had said, it was something that I'd always kind
of wanted to do but just never did. So I
called her and she's like, you know what, I've got
one slot left, it's all yours. And how old were
you at this point? Let's not let's not let's not
talk numbers. Let's not older than me. So everybody's young. Okay,
I know, you know, and I shouldn't be ashamed of
(04:42):
it because because really I feel like me doing that.
I was forty five when I started um doing this,
and uh so I feel like I'm also representing women
of a certain aide who you know, at a certain
point in life where you know. My message that I'm
trying to send is that ladies, the parties not over that,
(05:05):
like like we we could just be getting started here. Okay, Um,
how much of a possibility is it that that this
happened because the burlesque class was mostly women and it
felt like a like a safe space. Yeah, that's a
good point, because that that really was, you know, it
was a very safe, safe place to be and I
(05:28):
did like that. Had you ever spent any time on
stage before undressed, not dressed or undressed? Okay? Alright, so no,
no school plays, nothing, No really yeah, very very shy,
very behind the scenes. I'm just like, I don't want
any attention, no attention, don't look at me, don't see me. Alright.
(05:49):
So so now so now what now what starts to
happen at the burlesque class? So, so, the burlesque class is,
like you know, twelve weeks um and at the end
there's a performance. So now what did you do for
your first, your very first burlesquee? I did a cramp song,
which the way I walked just because it was like
(06:30):
the shortest. I was like, I'm going to find the
shortest song possible. I think I think that's as like
two minutes long. It was like, perfect, two minutes. I
can do two minutes. So now, but this was You've
gone from never being on stage before being completely well
not completely, but you know, majorly naked on pretty much
pretty much. And and and I felt like I felt
like it was it was it was a cleansing thing
(06:53):
because of the divorce and all of that, and just
there were there were so many people that I friends
of ours or knew this and you know, everything people
stuff about me that it just like felt invaded. And
I was like, well, okay, so you've seen you've seen
(07:13):
my soul. Now here's everything else. Here you go, here,
you go, here, you go here, you go here, you
go here. It seems to me a major positive development
that you re report this to the therapist and go, hey,
look what where I am? Yeah? Yeah, And you know,
he was just like, yeah, that's great. Just end up
changing the way you felt about your body. Absolutely. Yeah.
(07:37):
I had never really felt like I wanted to show
my body, and and this made me feel like, yeah,
it's okay, it's okay, like this is this is it,
and and I'm okay with it. You you you may
not be. It doesn't really matter. It's it's it's for me,
you know. I just felt like my whole world had
(07:59):
kind of collapsed, you know, like everything I thought was
so wasn't It just had kind of evaporated and it
was just like and it's like free fall for for
a while. And it took me a while to get
my footing back. Did this change your approach to your sexuality?
(08:21):
I've I've often said that burlesque was the gateway into pornography,
because you know, once you're comfortable with yourself, then you know,
then yeah, you're comfortable and less inhibited and you know,
and and the way that I actually got into doing
horn or sex work was, um, there was a woman
(08:44):
who worked at Kink. She actually still works there. In
like the accounting finance office, like king dot com had
several websites that you could be a member of and
Kink Live was one of those Troy and when I
ran into her and uh was, you know, just like, yeah,
(09:05):
I gotta find gotta find some work out, to find
something to do. And she was like, oh my god,
why don't you just come down and start doing this
because you know there's decent money in it and you
can start doing it, and yeah, why not? And so
as I as I needed money and that that opportunity
was there, it was like, oh, well, I really don't
(09:26):
have a problem with that, So why not Once you
go there, once you've done it, once you've been naked
in front of people, it's not so difficult to continue
to be naked in front of people. I guess do
you think you think your ex is has ever seen
any of your work? I had been doing the Kink
Live stuff for a little while before he found out,
(09:48):
and uh, he was like in the art departments set building.
And it's funny because I actually ended up working on
one of the sets that he had built. I know, right,
I know it's I don't know, I don't know what
to call that is a justice retribution? I don't know.
(10:13):
I think I think Charlie Broads had used to call that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
So now do they set you up from your laptop
from home? They had they had the studio set up,
so they had like four or five sets that you
could you know, you could go in and do it there.
(10:33):
They had all the equipment. Um, so that was easier
in the beginning. Is it like an I T person
who runs the computer? Actually you really typing on the computer? Um? Yeah,
there's a computer there, um and with the screen and everything.
So not your computer, a computer, yeah, a computer. Yeah,
so you're you're actually you know, there's a computer there
(10:54):
and you're interacting one on one and then behind the
scenes there are monitors and I T people and yeah,
they're all like monitoring and make sure the stream is
going and everything is up and running. So your your
shifts they start at eleven. You show up at eleven,
enter the room, log on, log on. So how does
(11:16):
it work with pay structure? Right? People? I guess they
have to pay to talk to you or can they
watch you form? So it's set up so that you
you know, like like there's a public room and then
there's an option for the user to click into. There
were like two options, like a private and then like
a semi private, like it's a private but other people
(11:37):
can come in. So how do you keep the public
people from seeing it? I guess I t people. Yeah,
that's that's when the when the user clicks on, it
goes into like out of the public and into a
private one on one. So what happens? So now, what
happens in the private anything? Anything? This? I was like, Okay,
(12:01):
how many dildos do you have? I said, I've got
a lot, right, I got a got a wide array
of dildos here. He's like, okay, get them all together. Okay.
So he's like, okay, what do you put one in
your ass, one in your mouth, and hold the rest
of them in your arms and then jump around. So
he's like, okay, what do you put? Yeah? Yeah, just
(12:23):
like just like hop up, hop up, hop around in
the circle, right, And I'm just like, I'm laughing. I'm
just laughing at this because it's just I mean, it's
the most ridiculous thing I've ever done. I think, I think,
I think, I think you know my problem with with
like strip clubs in a certain type of sex work.
I remember, I've identified with the stage performer for so
(12:47):
long because I've been doing stage stuff since I was
like two that I could never get beyond that with
with a strip club, you know, other words, the performative aspects,
I could never get get beyond it. Right. So it's
like I always IDENTI fight more with the people on
stage and the people in the audience who were buying
what they used to call in pro fake wrestling cafebe
you know, they're buying the acts. You're in the room
(13:09):
in front of a computer, you're doing it, like what's
going on in your mind? You know that It's funny
that you say that because because a lot of the
girls and a lot of the ones who made money,
we're doing like this like giving you know, like like
being that like porn person. Yeah, and people and they
(13:30):
bought it. They bought it. They bought it. Like every
time I heard a girl giggle, I'm just like, ah really,
and then you know, and then I just hear like,
you know, she's like ching ching ching ching ching ching,
Like then just like uh really, And you know, so
it just made me disappointed in men. But it's like, ah,
(13:51):
you guys, just suck it right up. I disbelieving. Do
you ever meet any of the people that can't your
your regulars in in real I r L and I did, yeah, because, um,
pretty much from from like the first week that I
was on there was there was one guy that he
(14:13):
would come in and he would just like hang out,
didn't really say anything. Um, it would just hang out
and like eventually started talking a little bit and then
he would come in and do privates every like every day.
And I was like, oh, this is my bread and butter.
This is like, you know this, I like this guy.
(14:35):
So he lives in Europe and we were just talking
and he he he liked me because I was older
and I could have conversation and he gave he gave
me the best compliment I've ever gotten in my life.
He said, Tricksy, there are paintings in museums all over
(14:59):
the world old of women with bodies just like yours.
And I was like, okay, you put it that way.
Uh yeah, I was like wow. I mean it's like
it's like and he was paying for this privilege. This
is great. It's like kind of a reverse reversal of
the whole therapy thing. Yeah. It was just like it
(15:19):
was just like yeah, thank you right. So yeah, So
that was that was just a beautiful compliment. And uh
so we were talking and I said, well, you know,
if you ever come to San Francisco, he was like, well,
you know, I probably won't, but if you want to
(15:41):
come here, I was like, hmm, there's absolutely nothing keeping
me from doing that. So I said, yes, let's do that.
I just said, okay, great, I'll send you a ticket,
and uh so we planned it out and I went
there and stayed for a month, which is kind of
(16:02):
a kind of a risky thing to do. Like most
girls are like, oh no, no, no, you never ever
ever meet any of them, never under any circumstances. I'm like,
I don't know, I feel like I feel like this guy,
like we talked every single day, Like I know, I
feel like I feel like it's okay. I feel like,
you know, my gut is telling me that it's it's fine.
(16:25):
And uh so I went spent a month and it
was fantastic. It was great. So did he did he ever?
Did did they ever ask? Like inevitably at people do,
how did you two meet today? Oh? Had the whole
story concocted? Because you know, because he's very he's very proper,
(16:46):
like you see him and the first thing that you
think is not with a dirty, perverted old man. He is,
you know, because he's just it's just like you know,
it was just just a guy like doing his minding
his business, and you know, nobody would ever think what
lies beneath. So yeah, we had a whole story concocted
of how we met, and like like the first time
(17:08):
I had like the first time someone actually said so
how did you meet? And I had to I had
to go through the whole story. I could see him
like kind of leaning back, listening, you know, and I'm
just like, did I get around? He said, yeah, it
sounded good. What was like a business conference or whatever? Yeah, yeah,
like some online like group that close enough to the truth,
(17:29):
close enough that yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't just
like oh, well, you know, I'm on this webcam where
you know, and you know, he comes on in master
Beads And what about what about your your family back
in Virginia or folks or folks uh are they digging
(17:49):
on the burlesque thing or do they not know? Or
is it like I don't really I don't have any
contact with my family. Like my father died, like I
while I was still married, and my mother died a
few years ago, and I probably hadn't spoken to her
since my father died, actually for historical reasons, or had
(18:11):
there been had there been a riff of something? No, no,
I mean no riff really. Um, you know, my my
mother said something to me after my father died that
made me think, why why am I going back again
and again for this same treatment from her when I
(18:32):
don't have to. I'm just going to cut ties and
be done. What did you say? My father had come out?
My father had been so I tried to you know,
it's a dad, why don't you just maybe come out here.
There's like, you know, maybe better doctors out here, maybe
you could see someone out here. And uh so, my
(18:52):
when my father died and I was back at home
talking about, you know, the time that he was here,
and my mother just says, well, you know, he didn't
have a good time while he was out there. And
I was like, oh wow, that's that's just about the
meanest thing that you could have said to me. I
think I'm just done with, you know, things being said
(19:15):
to me like this, So I'm done. And that was
kind of our relationship anyway. So now now so so
coming from being firstly divorced to now you know, doing
sex scamming, um has your how far is your sense
(19:36):
of you know, your place in space, how far has
it gone? How far has it changed? Or was it
a question of you know, uncovering and discovering what was
already there. I think that's that's more accurate, uncovering what
had been covered up, because you know, like like with
the burlesque and being on stage was like, oh, okay,
(19:57):
I can do this, I can, I can I did.
I feel good about that. So it was like the
confidence and confidence building confidence started coming back, you know,
because you know, like I said, the marriage probably should
have ended like five six years sooner than it did,
(20:18):
you know, And and so it was just a matter
of spending a lot of years. It's like, oh, I
just uh, it's just easier to to not deal with this,
you know, and just suppressing and ignoring and denying um.
And then once I was free of all that, I
felt like I had come into my own What would
(20:39):
you tell your younger self about what you've learned? Uh,
probably to uh to start doing these things earlier in life,
because because I've enjoyed like everything everything, you know, since
you know, post divorce, everything that I've done, I've I've
not regretted anything, and uh, you know, only that I
(21:02):
should have been doing this years ago. And now the
European guy is that? Is that like uh Latin movie
last year, Marian bod Is that an ongoing thing? Does
that continue or did that run its scores? No, I'm
I'm I'm planning a trip in June. So that's what
five five years later, I guess. But but now hold it,
(21:26):
I mean, just for verification, you were no longer the
sex count. Yeah, I have a nine to five D job.
I don't like it. I mean I like it, I
don't like I don't like working. I got this job
and I cried for three days, like I don't want
to work to work. It was the best job I've
ever had. If I if I'd been able to make
(21:47):
enough money to not have to worry about making sure
I was you know, bills were paid, then I wouldn't
keep doing it. There you go. Sometimes it's that easy
or maybe not easy at all, depending on who you are,
your advantage point on life, and your outlook on not
(22:08):
just about everything. But so it goes for Trixie fool
Laurant happy or happy enough. Sometimes it's it's a little
bit of the former and a lot of the ladder.
In any case, thank her for her time. But Ozzie Confidential.
Next up, Pericles or Strongs. He had a mother a dementia,
(22:30):
required a lot of adult care, almost a hundred thousand
dollars worth a year by his estimation. How do you
do it? How do you raise the money? Um? Maybe
he's something along the lines of international drug trafficking. Yeah,
you make sense of it? Are you will? Our next
(22:50):
week's Asy Confidential. Ozzie Confidential is produced by who Else
me Eu Geneus Robinson, executive produced by Rob Kulos, and
mixed and engineered by Nick Johnson. And For more OZI
(23:13):
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