March 17, 2019 • 22 mins
Business as usual? Only if your business was buying/selling drugs from all over the world to all over the world. Then came the cops, the end and a new beginning.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You know. I had a job interview once and I
went in and the person asked me, what where do
you see yourself in five years? I knew it was
a I shouldn't say it, but I said prison. Welcome
back to Ozzy Confidential. I'm your host, you Jean Sir Robinson.
(00:27):
And what do we got this week? I'll tell you
very simply. We got a one mister pillcles most dramas.
All right, this is gonna take a bit. I'm a
huge fan of Gene Hackman. He came to my attention
first and foremost with the nineteen seventies flick The French Connection.
Fantastic movie. If you haven't seen it, you should see it,
(00:50):
about a detective who's chasing an international drug trafficker through
the streets of New York and fundamentally eventually to France.
Great story, great movie. I'm no more spoiler alerts. Watch
it anyway. Stuck in the back of my head this
idea international drug trafficker, drug trafficker, And then I see
(01:10):
a newspaper kiosk man arrested selling drugs for his mother
wear all over the globe. There's my international drug trafficker.
Imagine that. Come on so he says in the beginning,
(01:30):
you know, he is, I can get you off of
six years. I'm going six years. I go for first offense.
I go really and I had no meth, no guns,
no cash, no coke, no heroin. I go six years,
because hey man, I like to err on the side
of caution and tell you the higher number than to
tell you I'm going to get you off. And I go, well,
(01:51):
that doesn't make me feel any better. To be honest
with you, I'd rather you lie to me. As my
mother fell into a deeper state of alzheimer, I had
a payer medical bills. You all of a sudden tacked
five grand onto your expenditures every month. That's going to
come from somewhere. Now you can say, as some people have,
(02:12):
you could have gotten another job. It's like, you know,
I don't think I could have, because I was working
my butt off at the gym. But the stress of
her being in this facility, in a better care facility,
a better care facility, her health is declining. I have
a profitable GM, as you know, or I did, and
(02:34):
the stress of you know, her impending doom just took
a toll on me. It's not a huge amount. But
that's on top of everything else. I had employees, I
had a rent, I had a fiance. I was taking
care of her kid. So it started off at fifteen
hundred dollars a month, went up every time she would
(02:54):
get kicked out, it would have to go to a
different level of care kicked out. She one time she
got kicked out because she was throwing rocks at cars.
And you met my mother. Yeah, yeah, Another time she
would walk down the hallways and just punch people in
the face. My mother's like four foot ten, you know,
(03:16):
but that was the dementia, man, And yeah, she would
yell and scream, and it just got progressively worse, and
that's part of the part of the disease. So she
would get kicked out, we'd have to find a different,
higher level of care. And as that happened, the costs
went up. So that's how I got into that. You know,
(03:37):
I was talking to Bruce Cutler, John got his mouthpiece,
his lawyer, and he said to me, look, only a
fucking degenerate goes into crime accepting the three occasions, unless
you're poor, unless you're despairing, or as part of your culture.
In this instance, I'm gonna go for despairing. So every
(04:01):
one of us, I imagine, if we think about our
criminal proclivities, we have a good idea of the type
of crime we'd be good at. My own personal doctor
would tell me, you know, steroids don't work, and I'm like,
but they do. You're monitoring me. You know that they were.
(04:23):
But what he said is there have not been any
studies done to prove that they were correct. But he
was a very smart man. I mean, what he was
trying to do was to push me away from him.
But it's like you know, saying, you know, cocaine will
not get you high. It's like, okay, but it will.
So so your doctor was telling you know, they're trying
(04:46):
to push you away. Where were you getting the steroids
at this point, you know, guys at the gym. That's
how it started, Guys at the gym. And I think
you know quite a few. I think you know quite
a few. Yeah. Back in the time, I mean, you know,
this is before they became what are they class three drug?
(05:07):
This is when it was misdemeanor to basically possess and
sell and use whatever. So we would make a lot
of runs into Mexico back in the heyday, Mexican just
stuff our pants, you know. Come back. The one time
I brought two friends down with me, it was Memorial
Day and we went in there. We bought about five
(05:29):
six thousand o's with the stuff, so I divvied it
up amongst us. You know, we had stuff in our
crotch pants, socks, and I think the pharmacy. The pharmacist
told the authorities because at the border it took us
an hour just to get overwalking. So out of a crowd,
they picked two of us. Now I was huge at
the time, so it was kind of a bad idea,
(05:53):
but I figured with all these many people that there's
no way that I'm going to be picked out of
a crowd. Well I was. You know, they found this stuff.
They gave me an option to pay a five hundred
dollars fine. They would take the products and if I
had never got in trouble again in two years, they
would be sponged off my record or I can come
(06:14):
back to court and fight it. So I obviously took
the first option. Here we called it a day. So yeah,
but we were able. I mean I had friends that
would go down and put it in tires, drive back.
It just didn't matter. It was a free for all.
Selling drugs is one thing, selling enough drugs so that
(06:37):
you're getting nabbed by the FBI something else entirely. I
met a guy online I was I was looking to
get back into competing. He somehow got me to become
partners with him. And then right after that, my mom
was diagnosed. So we ramped up our operation. So I
(06:58):
went from you know, one hundred bottles a month two
Oh you know when I when I was arrested. Uh,
we were in the process of getting a warehouse. We
had a pillow press. We were doing close to a
mill here. So how did you know? I mean, you
(07:19):
know chemist? I mean I'm not Yeah, I mean I
don't don't. I don't have the formal training per se,
But I'm I'm a home chemist. If you will, no,
I mean, if somebody gives me a bunch of powders,
I mean I put salt and pepper. Again, you just
(07:40):
you need Uh It's terists are not that hard to make. Uh.
You know, granted, there's a there's a learning curve and
you have to be careful about it. You have to
be uh you know, uh sterile. Uh you know, there's
the stuff that it's going into your bloodstream. Now, if
it's a normal it's not really as important, although it
(08:03):
should be because your stomach asses will basically kill everything.
But there are solvents, there are into microbials that you
put in there you sterilize everything. And this being stuff
that I also used, it made sense that I was
extra careful. So it was the idea that if you
(08:23):
got the separate elements shift that you couldn't be busted
for them because they were not combined into anything. No, no,
it's illegal. At that point it was, it was illegal.
So what was this was the right after Barry Bonds
and the whole thing. So what was the benefit then
of bringing in the well. I'll tell you what. If
I get one hundred grams of let's say it's astosterolprope,
(08:46):
I can turn that one hundred grams of raw powder
into one hundred plus vials, okay, for the cost to
me of maybe two dollars a vial. I'm selling that
stuff wholesale for thirty and that guy is turning around
selling for sixty and whatever else is going down the line.
(09:06):
So it's a good business. Oh, absolutely. The profit margins
are huge. But yeah, I just didn't realize that's time,
how much totally took on me, you know, having to
deal with that. So you know, I'm a big guy.
I'm big strong man. I don't need you know, counseling.
I don't need any I'll take care of it. That's
not the case. You know. It eats you up inside.
(09:30):
It started off as a hobby, the making of the steroids,
and then we moved down to other Viking in ambient
valium xanax. So and how did you decide to branch
out to vic it in and money? Yeah, shit, you
name it. Coke. No, no, that I have to give
(09:52):
myself very little credit, but what credit is to I
was not gonna mess with coke. I was not gonna
mess with meth Uh. They said that I had MDMA.
What I had was an analog, so it was not MTMA.
But it's just positive for MDMA. Now it is nowhere
near MDMA. It's not the quality, but it's one of
(10:13):
those analogs. So sold ecstasy technically, yes, I mean, if
if you want to be specific, yes, were you doing
with this? You're about to move into warehouse that one
day you wake up like any other day. Well, I
had a feeling for quite some time. My ex at
the time was saying, you got to stop doing this
(10:35):
ship and you know, I h I said, I know.
But once the money starts flowing in, you know, the
you start to rationalize and justify thing. You're like, we
lived in Midtown Pallet, you know, it's a quite neighborhood.
I lived in a ten you know, department building, and
(11:00):
we kept seeing this white van outside but it was
out of place. It wasn't a newer van. It was
just like it wasn't beat up, but it's just a
weird van and you'd see it outside the house. But
I had this uneasy feeling for over a month, and
I was under observation. I think for three or four
they couldn't figure out what I was doing because I
wasn't out in the open. None of my stuff took
(11:22):
a place in a face to face, hand to hand transaction.
Mine was all mailed. So they see me leaving with
bags every day and go to the post office for
like three or four different post offices, you know, forty
thirty packs at a time, three or four different post offices.
Why just because you don't want you don't want to
RaSE suspicion. I mean you're mailing a lot of stuff.
You know, if you mail fifty packs or one hundred
packs out of one post office, the chances that one
(11:44):
might get seized are much greater. But I knew every
postal worker from Palo Alto to you know, San Francisco.
So see, the van is making you kind of use
that's kind of weird. But you're discounting rush it off
with it as a day. Well, strangely enough, helicopters are
(12:04):
playing no no, no, no no. I'll tell you the
exact story. I remember yesterday. You don't forget this ship.
I was laying a bad naked I was watching ironically
Law and Order, and I was drifting in and out
of sleep and I heard this knocking. I had my
bedroom door closed, so I thought they were doing construction
because they were doing construction next door, so I didn't
(12:27):
paying attention and it kept going on. And what I
didn't realize that they were yelling police, get to open
the door search form. Uh. So I walked out to
hear what the noise was and the door just blew off.
The hinges Ida Homeland Security FBI and the local police department.
(12:51):
And then I'm naked and they're like get on the floor,
and I'm like, really, dude, can I you know, the
first thing is say, I'm not doing you know. You see,
I don't have any weapons right right, right right? You
know where am I hiding him? Right? Just just relax?
You know, I got nothing. So they put me on
the floor of the handcuff me. Yeah, tore the house apart,
said where are the drugs? I go, really, there's there's
(13:13):
like five huge boxes in the living room, unopened. I
go right there. But I mean they tore tore the
house up. When I was arrested. There's two hundred and
seventy thousand dollars with the stuff in my house. You know.
So I'm sitting here talking to this guy, talking to him,
(13:33):
not separated by plexiglass, and I'm wondering one point two
million dollar question how he beat the rap. So you
show up in the court and suit and you sit
there and then they say, well, we're gonna move this
for continuance next month. We'll see you next month. And
this went on for years. Oh, it wasn't a thing
(13:55):
speedy try or yeah, but you don't want that, yo,
You didn't want that. No you don't. Why, well, because
what happened was I had something that they called a
safety net. Because I don't have a real criminal history,
I'm able to provide them information as to how I
ran my operation. They wanted to indict my girl, my
(14:18):
fiance at the time. I said, she had nothing to
do with it. Man, she did or she really didn't.
And that's the God's honest truth. She wanted you know,
in the beginning, she didn't even know. But that's how
they get you to move on. So I spilled had
five boxes in the literary right. No, no, no no, listen,
I'm not saying she was completely non complicity in that manner,
(14:42):
but that came towards the end. In the beginning, she
had no idea. For the first couple of years, she
had no idea. Has it ramped up, Yeah, of course.
But she was the voice of reason, always telling me,
you know, you got to stop this, got to get
the shit out of the house, you gotta do this.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,
you're working, you're not sleeping, you're stressed out. That was
the last of my concerns, and I thought I was
(15:03):
smarter than law enforcement everybody else, because again we weren't dealing,
dealing in face to face, and I mean nobody knew.
Nobody knew. Some of my best friends didn't know. All right,
So now what you want to do is get So
what you're saying is you want to get a continuance, continuous, continuous,
just to drag it out as long as possible. Well,
(15:23):
basically because they want to see are you able to reintegrate. Well.
I never really was away from society in the sense
I was. This was not my main source of income,
It was not my employment, It was not what I
aspired to be. This was a secondary thing for me,
and it came out of necessity. Now i'd be lying
to say that I didn't stay in it because of
(15:44):
the money. But this I didn't wake up one day
and go, you know what's missing out of my life
drug dealing? You know I need to be a drug dealer. No,
it came out of it was a necessity. But yeah,
I'd be flat out lying to you and say that
I didn't pursue it further because of the money that
was coming in. And the thing with me was that
(16:06):
I didn't sell ship. It was top notch quality stuff.
Did you actually have a name for the business or no, No,
there's there's no need to name that really people, Yeah, yeah,
I have screen name. The mad Greek is what I
want to you know. In the end, we just kept
(16:29):
whittling and whittling away. Looking back on it, it was
very stressful. But those years that I was on pre
trial is they wanted to see am I able to
conduct myself in a manner consistent with what they were
looking for? You know, absolutely, you know, you don't realize
it at the time. You're like, well, is this gonna
fucking end? Because every month for a while I had
(16:52):
to go to court. It's like the army. They want
to break you down, you know, brainwash you and make
you conform to their standards and their desires. Once you
do that, they leave you alone. So this is a
guy who walks up to the abyss, is almost claimed
by the abyss, escapes the abyss by What do you
(17:15):
do after that? How do you square yourself with a
non abyss lifestyle? Looking back on it, it it all worked
out for the best. That's how I met the company
that I'm at now. I had three days to get
a job or to volunteer, and I actually ended up
volunteering for a place in San Francisco that cleans the streets,
(17:38):
works with a homeless. Now, if you would have told
me four years ago, three years ago, two years ago
that I'd be cleaning up shit, needles and garbage for
twenty bucks a day, I tell you to go fuck yourself. Yeah,
you know, But I tell you what, I freaking loved it.
(17:59):
I freaking loved it. I love the people that I
was working with. It made me feel better about myself,
and I was giving back to the community. And now
I actually work for the company in a different capacity,
but we're still working with the homeless, you know, And
so I'm glad for what I went through. I mean,
(18:19):
it's definitely made me a stronger person. You know, I
wouldn't want to do it all over again, But I
still wonder, you know, is there anything about that high
wire act that you miss just a little bit, a
little bit? And if you do miss it just a
(18:40):
little bit, how tempting is it to go back. I
don't have a grip on what it is that I
want to do, you know, for the rest of my life.
You know, I would have this hot beautiful, smart girl
that you know I would day and all of a
(19:01):
sudden I'd be like, yeah, you know what I can
do better? But there was nothing wrong with her, you know.
In my mind though, it's like I got to go
a step above. Why why? You know, Enjoy the moment,
Enjoy the people you're with, Enjoy where you're at. Or
what I don't miss is the stress, the sleepless nights.
(19:24):
And then always in the back of your mind there's
always the thought of fuck, what if I get caught?
What if I get busted? You know, so that that
follows you around all day. You know, you try to
put it out of your mind, go about your business.
But if your originable a reasonable human being, and you're
gonna think about that. So i'n al miss the stress. Uh,
(19:45):
you know, I almost the guilt of being involved in
that at all. You know, in retrospect it might be,
you know, a great thing that I did get busted
because who knows what what would have happened from there?
(20:12):
So there you go, purpose bound living in forming a
man's entire existence, giving him super in support. He says,
I guess it sounds plausible, Eh, I don't know if
I believe it, but he believes it. And if it's
like Candide Voltaire's Great book, and doctor Pangloss says, and
(20:33):
doctor Pangloss says it is so, it must be so.
So I guess I gotta believe man anyway. Next up,
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(20:54):
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You know. I had a job interview once and I
went in and the person asked me, what where do
you see yourself in five years? I knew it was
a I shouldn't say it, but I said prison. Welcome
back to Ozzy Confidential. I'm your host, you Jean Sir Robinson.
(00:27):
And what do we got this week? I'll tell you
very simply. We got a one mister pillcles most dramas.
All right, this is gonna take a bit. I'm a
huge fan of Gene Hackman. He came to my attention
first and foremost with the nineteen seventies flick The French Connection.
Fantastic movie. If you haven't seen it, you should see it,
(00:50):
about a detective who's chasing an international drug trafficker through
the streets of New York and fundamentally eventually to France.
Great story, great movie. I'm no more spoiler alerts. Watch
it anyway. Stuck in the back of my head this
idea international drug trafficker, drug trafficker, And then I see
(01:10):
a newspaper kiosk man arrested selling drugs for his mother
wear all over the globe. There's my international drug trafficker.
Imagine that. Come on so he says in the beginning,
(01:30):
you know, he is, I can get you off of
six years. I'm going six years. I go for first offense.
I go really and I had no meth, no guns,
no cash, no coke, no heroin. I go six years,
because hey man, I like to err on the side
of caution and tell you the higher number than to
tell you I'm going to get you off. And I go, well,
(01:51):
that doesn't make me feel any better. To be honest
with you, I'd rather you lie to me. As my
mother fell into a deeper state of alzheimer, I had
a payer medical bills. You all of a sudden tacked
five grand onto your expenditures every month. That's going to
come from somewhere. Now you can say, as some people have,
(02:12):
you could have gotten another job. It's like, you know,
I don't think I could have, because I was working
my butt off at the gym. But the stress of
her being in this facility, in a better care facility,
a better care facility, her health is declining. I have
a profitable GM, as you know, or I did, and
(02:34):
the stress of you know, her impending doom just took
a toll on me. It's not a huge amount. But
that's on top of everything else. I had employees, I
had a rent, I had a fiance. I was taking
care of her kid. So it started off at fifteen
hundred dollars a month, went up every time she would
(02:54):
get kicked out, it would have to go to a
different level of care kicked out. She one time she
got kicked out because she was throwing rocks at cars.
And you met my mother. Yeah, yeah, Another time she
would walk down the hallways and just punch people in
the face. My mother's like four foot ten, you know,
(03:16):
but that was the dementia, man, And yeah, she would
yell and scream, and it just got progressively worse, and
that's part of the part of the disease. So she
would get kicked out, we'd have to find a different,
higher level of care. And as that happened, the costs
went up. So that's how I got into that. You know,
(03:37):
I was talking to Bruce Cutler, John got his mouthpiece,
his lawyer, and he said to me, look, only a
fucking degenerate goes into crime accepting the three occasions, unless
you're poor, unless you're despairing, or as part of your culture.
In this instance, I'm gonna go for despairing. So every
(04:01):
one of us, I imagine, if we think about our
criminal proclivities, we have a good idea of the type
of crime we'd be good at. My own personal doctor
would tell me, you know, steroids don't work, and I'm like,
but they do. You're monitoring me. You know that they were.
(04:23):
But what he said is there have not been any
studies done to prove that they were correct. But he
was a very smart man. I mean, what he was
trying to do was to push me away from him.
But it's like you know, saying, you know, cocaine will
not get you high. It's like, okay, but it will.
So so your doctor was telling you know, they're trying
(04:46):
to push you away. Where were you getting the steroids
at this point, you know, guys at the gym. That's
how it started, Guys at the gym. And I think
you know quite a few. I think you know quite
a few. Yeah. Back in the time, I mean, you know,
this is before they became what are they class three drug?
(05:07):
This is when it was misdemeanor to basically possess and
sell and use whatever. So we would make a lot
of runs into Mexico back in the heyday, Mexican just
stuff our pants, you know. Come back. The one time
I brought two friends down with me, it was Memorial
Day and we went in there. We bought about five
(05:29):
six thousand o's with the stuff, so I divvied it
up amongst us. You know, we had stuff in our
crotch pants, socks, and I think the pharmacy. The pharmacist
told the authorities because at the border it took us
an hour just to get overwalking. So out of a crowd,
they picked two of us. Now I was huge at
the time, so it was kind of a bad idea,
(05:53):
but I figured with all these many people that there's
no way that I'm going to be picked out of
a crowd. Well I was. You know, they found this stuff.
They gave me an option to pay a five hundred
dollars fine. They would take the products and if I
had never got in trouble again in two years, they
would be sponged off my record or I can come
(06:14):
back to court and fight it. So I obviously took
the first option. Here we called it a day. So yeah,
but we were able. I mean I had friends that
would go down and put it in tires, drive back.
It just didn't matter. It was a free for all.
Selling drugs is one thing, selling enough drugs so that
(06:37):
you're getting nabbed by the FBI something else entirely. I
met a guy online I was I was looking to
get back into competing. He somehow got me to become
partners with him. And then right after that, my mom
was diagnosed. So we ramped up our operation. So I
(06:58):
went from you know, one hundred bottles a month two
Oh you know when I when I was arrested. Uh,
we were in the process of getting a warehouse. We
had a pillow press. We were doing close to a
mill here. So how did you know? I mean, you
(07:19):
know chemist? I mean I'm not Yeah, I mean I
don't don't. I don't have the formal training per se,
But I'm I'm a home chemist. If you will, no,
I mean, if somebody gives me a bunch of powders,
I mean I put salt and pepper. Again, you just
(07:40):
you need Uh It's terists are not that hard to make. Uh.
You know, granted, there's a there's a learning curve and
you have to be careful about it. You have to
be uh you know, uh sterile. Uh you know, there's
the stuff that it's going into your bloodstream. Now, if
it's a normal it's not really as important, although it
(08:03):
should be because your stomach asses will basically kill everything.
But there are solvents, there are into microbials that you
put in there you sterilize everything. And this being stuff
that I also used, it made sense that I was
extra careful. So it was the idea that if you
(08:23):
got the separate elements shift that you couldn't be busted
for them because they were not combined into anything. No, no,
it's illegal. At that point it was, it was illegal.
So what was this was the right after Barry Bonds
and the whole thing. So what was the benefit then
of bringing in the well. I'll tell you what. If
I get one hundred grams of let's say it's astosterolprope,
(08:46):
I can turn that one hundred grams of raw powder
into one hundred plus vials, okay, for the cost to
me of maybe two dollars a vial. I'm selling that
stuff wholesale for thirty and that guy is turning around
selling for sixty and whatever else is going down the line.
(09:06):
So it's a good business. Oh, absolutely. The profit margins
are huge. But yeah, I just didn't realize that's time,
how much totally took on me, you know, having to
deal with that. So you know, I'm a big guy.
I'm big strong man. I don't need you know, counseling.
I don't need any I'll take care of it. That's
not the case. You know. It eats you up inside.
(09:30):
It started off as a hobby, the making of the steroids,
and then we moved down to other Viking in ambient
valium xanax. So and how did you decide to branch
out to vic it in and money? Yeah, shit, you
name it. Coke. No, no, that I have to give
(09:52):
myself very little credit, but what credit is to I
was not gonna mess with coke. I was not gonna
mess with meth Uh. They said that I had MDMA.
What I had was an analog, so it was not MTMA.
But it's just positive for MDMA. Now it is nowhere
near MDMA. It's not the quality, but it's one of
(10:13):
those analogs. So sold ecstasy technically, yes, I mean, if
if you want to be specific, yes, were you doing
with this? You're about to move into warehouse that one
day you wake up like any other day. Well, I
had a feeling for quite some time. My ex at
the time was saying, you got to stop doing this
(10:35):
ship and you know, I h I said, I know.
But once the money starts flowing in, you know, the
you start to rationalize and justify thing. You're like, we
lived in Midtown Pallet, you know, it's a quite neighborhood.
I lived in a ten you know, department building, and
(11:00):
we kept seeing this white van outside but it was
out of place. It wasn't a newer van. It was
just like it wasn't beat up, but it's just a
weird van and you'd see it outside the house. But
I had this uneasy feeling for over a month, and
I was under observation. I think for three or four
they couldn't figure out what I was doing because I
wasn't out in the open. None of my stuff took
(11:22):
a place in a face to face, hand to hand transaction.
Mine was all mailed. So they see me leaving with
bags every day and go to the post office for
like three or four different post offices, you know, forty
thirty packs at a time, three or four different post offices.
Why just because you don't want you don't want to
RaSE suspicion. I mean you're mailing a lot of stuff.
You know, if you mail fifty packs or one hundred
packs out of one post office, the chances that one
(11:44):
might get seized are much greater. But I knew every
postal worker from Palo Alto to you know, San Francisco.
So see, the van is making you kind of use
that's kind of weird. But you're discounting rush it off
with it as a day. Well, strangely enough, helicopters are
(12:04):
playing no no, no, no no. I'll tell you the
exact story. I remember yesterday. You don't forget this ship.
I was laying a bad naked I was watching ironically
Law and Order, and I was drifting in and out
of sleep and I heard this knocking. I had my
bedroom door closed, so I thought they were doing construction
because they were doing construction next door, so I didn't
(12:27):
paying attention and it kept going on. And what I
didn't realize that they were yelling police, get to open
the door search form. Uh. So I walked out to
hear what the noise was and the door just blew off.
The hinges Ida Homeland Security FBI and the local police department.
(12:51):
And then I'm naked and they're like get on the floor,
and I'm like, really, dude, can I you know, the
first thing is say, I'm not doing you know. You see,
I don't have any weapons right right, right right? You
know where am I hiding him? Right? Just just relax?
You know, I got nothing. So they put me on
the floor of the handcuff me. Yeah, tore the house apart,
said where are the drugs? I go, really, there's there's
(13:13):
like five huge boxes in the living room, unopened. I
go right there. But I mean they tore tore the
house up. When I was arrested. There's two hundred and
seventy thousand dollars with the stuff in my house. You know.
So I'm sitting here talking to this guy, talking to him,
(13:33):
not separated by plexiglass, and I'm wondering one point two
million dollar question how he beat the rap. So you
show up in the court and suit and you sit
there and then they say, well, we're gonna move this
for continuance next month. We'll see you next month. And
this went on for years. Oh, it wasn't a thing
(13:55):
speedy try or yeah, but you don't want that, yo,
You didn't want that. No you don't. Why, well, because
what happened was I had something that they called a
safety net. Because I don't have a real criminal history,
I'm able to provide them information as to how I
ran my operation. They wanted to indict my girl, my
(14:18):
fiance at the time. I said, she had nothing to
do with it. Man, she did or she really didn't.
And that's the God's honest truth. She wanted you know,
in the beginning, she didn't even know. But that's how
they get you to move on. So I spilled had
five boxes in the literary right. No, no, no no, listen,
I'm not saying she was completely non complicity in that manner,
(14:42):
but that came towards the end. In the beginning, she
had no idea. For the first couple of years, she
had no idea. Has it ramped up, Yeah, of course.
But she was the voice of reason, always telling me,
you know, you got to stop this, got to get
the shit out of the house, you gotta do this.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,
you're working, you're not sleeping, you're stressed out. That was
the last of my concerns, and I thought I was
(15:03):
smarter than law enforcement everybody else, because again we weren't dealing,
dealing in face to face, and I mean nobody knew.
Nobody knew. Some of my best friends didn't know. All right,
So now what you want to do is get So
what you're saying is you want to get a continuance, continuous, continuous,
just to drag it out as long as possible. Well,
(15:23):
basically because they want to see are you able to reintegrate. Well.
I never really was away from society in the sense
I was. This was not my main source of income,
It was not my employment, It was not what I
aspired to be. This was a secondary thing for me,
and it came out of necessity. Now i'd be lying
to say that I didn't stay in it because of
(15:44):
the money. But this I didn't wake up one day
and go, you know what's missing out of my life
drug dealing? You know I need to be a drug dealer. No,
it came out of it was a necessity. But yeah,
I'd be flat out lying to you and say that
I didn't pursue it further because of the money that
was coming in. And the thing with me was that
(16:06):
I didn't sell ship. It was top notch quality stuff.
Did you actually have a name for the business or no, No,
there's there's no need to name that really people, Yeah, yeah,
I have screen name. The mad Greek is what I
want to you know. In the end, we just kept
(16:29):
whittling and whittling away. Looking back on it, it was
very stressful. But those years that I was on pre
trial is they wanted to see am I able to
conduct myself in a manner consistent with what they were
looking for? You know, absolutely, you know, you don't realize
it at the time. You're like, well, is this gonna
fucking end? Because every month for a while I had
(16:52):
to go to court. It's like the army. They want
to break you down, you know, brainwash you and make
you conform to their standards and their desires. Once you
do that, they leave you alone. So this is a
guy who walks up to the abyss, is almost claimed
by the abyss, escapes the abyss by What do you
(17:15):
do after that? How do you square yourself with a
non abyss lifestyle? Looking back on it, it it all worked
out for the best. That's how I met the company
that I'm at now. I had three days to get
a job or to volunteer, and I actually ended up
volunteering for a place in San Francisco that cleans the streets,
(17:38):
works with a homeless. Now, if you would have told
me four years ago, three years ago, two years ago
that I'd be cleaning up shit, needles and garbage for
twenty bucks a day, I tell you to go fuck yourself. Yeah,
you know, But I tell you what, I freaking loved it.
(17:59):
I freaking loved it. I love the people that I
was working with. It made me feel better about myself,
and I was giving back to the community. And now
I actually work for the company in a different capacity,
but we're still working with the homeless, you know, And
so I'm glad for what I went through. I mean,
(18:19):
it's definitely made me a stronger person. You know, I
wouldn't want to do it all over again, But I
still wonder, you know, is there anything about that high
wire act that you miss just a little bit, a
little bit? And if you do miss it just a
(18:40):
little bit, how tempting is it to go back. I
don't have a grip on what it is that I
want to do, you know, for the rest of my life.
You know, I would have this hot beautiful, smart girl
that you know I would day and all of a
(19:01):
sudden I'd be like, yeah, you know what I can
do better? But there was nothing wrong with her, you know.
In my mind though, it's like I got to go
a step above. Why why? You know, Enjoy the moment,
Enjoy the people you're with, Enjoy where you're at. Or
what I don't miss is the stress, the sleepless nights.
(19:24):
And then always in the back of your mind there's
always the thought of fuck, what if I get caught?
What if I get busted? You know, so that that
follows you around all day. You know, you try to
put it out of your mind, go about your business.
But if your originable a reasonable human being, and you're
gonna think about that. So i'n al miss the stress. Uh,
(19:45):
you know, I almost the guilt of being involved in
that at all. You know, in retrospect it might be,
you know, a great thing that I did get busted
because who knows what what would have happened from there?
(20:12):
So there you go, purpose bound living in forming a
man's entire existence, giving him super in support. He says,
I guess it sounds plausible, Eh, I don't know if
I believe it, but he believes it. And if it's
like Candide Voltaire's Great book, and doctor Pangloss says, and
(20:33):
doctor Pangloss says it is so, it must be so.
So I guess I gotta believe man anyway. Next up,
I'm Ozzie Confidential, a story about a Miss Amy Bond,
a good Mormon girl found herself in Los Angeles with
the intent of making it big in the film industry
(20:54):
via pornography. What yeah makes sense to meind of, sort
of in a certain kind of way. Next up on
Azie Confidential Shush. Ozzie Confidential is produced by who else
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Me Eugene S. Robinson, executive produced by Rob Kulos, and
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