Conference realignment blame game, 2023 Season Preview, Pac-12 Make a Wish season

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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The last two episodes we have covered the the PAC

(01:01):
twelve demolition derby that has happened, but we will this episode.
We're going to cover that just a teeny tiny bit
and get to the previews for because we are what
what is it? August sixteenth? We are ten days away
from football games, which is amazing. But to like backtrack

(01:26):
for a second to where we were, you know, the
conference is broken apart. Stanford, cal Washington State and cal Stanford,
Washington State and Oregon State don't have a home yet.
They are searching vigorously and furiously to find a place
to land and to live and that is going to

(01:47):
be financially responsible. They have hired a consultant in Oliver
luck who was one of the finalists apparently for the
PAC twelve commissioner job. So I wonder if they if
they believed that they hired the wrong man now, since
they're going to go get a consultant and let's start there, Ralph,

(02:09):
because yeah, it seems like the PAC twelve has hired
more consultants than anybody ever in the history of consultancy.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, yes, and and that's been one of the really
really frustrating things as a PAC twelve fan, as a
PAC twelve observer, is you figure, you appoint a commissioner
and then they have, you know, like the president of
the PAC twelve network. They have the people around them
that they would have the ability to get things done,
but it always seemed like when it came down to it,

(02:40):
they just had to hire more people. It's like that
scene from Elf where they printed a Christmas book with
two pages missing, and they had to get a new
book out before the Christmas holiday. And so James Kahn
brings in his two writers, I think, played by Andy
Richter and Kyle Gass, and he's like, all right, pitch me,

(03:01):
we gotta we gotta come up with a children's book
before Christmas. And Kyle Gass and Andy Richter pitch him
hiring Miles Finch as a consultant. So he's like, my
top team, My two crack writers come in here, and
their idea is to hire another writer. Yes, and he's like, brilliant,
I love it, and which leads to one of the

(03:24):
greatest movie scenes of all time of of Miles Finch
beating up Will Ferrell's character the whole angry little elf thing.
But that's just what it reminds me of. It was like,
you you assume that these people are experts. They know
they're not, so they go to these outside agencies. One
of the big frustrating things when it comes to hiring
consultants ends up being, you know, when when it just

(03:44):
so happens that the consultant they are funneling hundreds of
thousands of dollars to happens to be like a friend
of yours. So let's get into the history. Larry Michael
Scott style right right, and George Klaevkoff jumped in on
that boat as well, but let let's get in on this.
In twenty eighteen, the PAC twelve hired Fleischmann Hilliard, a

(04:05):
world class crisis management firm, to help improve its messaging.
And remember this is the same consultancy that like helped
Michigan State's brand After the whole Larry Nasar thing. They
had to hire a consultancy called Sibson Group to audit
what was going on with PAC twelve officiating. In the

(04:26):
wake of the I Believe the Wazoo usc debacle. They
hired the Rain Group to explore an equity sale to
try to infuse money into the conference by selling off
ten percent of it.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Failure didn't work.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And then Jeff Hunt, who wrote a book on how
to handle crisises in the digital age that had a
blurb on it, you know those blurbs that you get
from your friends about how what a great book it
is and people should buy it, had a blurb on
it from Larry Scott. Jeff Hunt was friends with Larry
Scott and was always hanging around the PAC twelve and
that used to frustrate the PAC twelve presidents. The PAC

(05:04):
twelve presidents in twenty twenty explored hiring their own consultant
on the TV deal that would report directly to them
and go around Larry Scott. So they're not admitting that
Larry Scott's not the right guy for the job, but
they want to hire a consultant that has nothing to
do with Larry Scott. And I'm sure that there have
been plenty more, but the interesting one that happened recently

(05:29):
was George Kliafkoff hired I believe his name is Doug
Pearlman what to help negotiate. So this is like last
November or something like that. So in twenty twenty two,
George Khliafkoff hired Doug Pearlman from a boutique I believe

(05:52):
it's called WMA, a botique media rights group to try
to get this done, to try to push the the
ball over the end zone, to get this done after
USC and UCLA announced that they were leaving. It just
so happens that Doug Pearlman graduated from the same law
class in nineteen ninety three at University of Virginia as

(06:14):
George Kliafkof. So the PAC twelve is just continuing to
funnel money to friends of friends, and now they bring
in the Pack four, brings in Oliver Luck as a
consultant to see what they can do moving forward with
George Kliafkoff still technically in the driver's seat, even though

(06:34):
it's just a seat sitting in the road, it's not
even part of a car. And that that is also
very interesting to me. But this this whole like consultancy
culture hiring friends, Larry Scott, you know, funneling money to
his friends, George Klafkof funeling money to his friends, none
of which got anything done. The consultancy firm that they

(06:57):
funneled money to to try to get them an equity.
By oh my gosh, I hope that consultancy firm doesn't
promote the PAC twelve is one of their clients because
that was an ultimate failure. And I hope that Doug
Pearlman on his WMA website isn't trying to tout being
hired by the PAC twelve as anything special because obviously
his failure, their combined failure led to the dissolution of

(07:19):
the conference completely.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, it was a.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Should we change businesses and be like, yeah, we're going
to be consultants because you clearly don't have to actually
do anything.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I will fail. Four hundreds of thousands of dollars. Absolutely,
that sounds like a great business.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Wow. Wow. But there's so much that goes into this, right,
So there's a consultant culture, and those teams are still
left floundering and trying to figure out where they are.
But I found it interesting and frustrating that all the

(08:02):
people now who are coming out to talk about all
the failures of the PAC twelve and how they blew
it and the missteps. And I promise you, Ralph, as
much PAC twelve content as we consume read podcasts all
of this stuff. Was there anybody else screaming from the

(08:25):
mountaintops and screaming for help and calling the alarm? All
of these people with all this revisionist history, like calling
call it more than us here, or even calling for
it at all.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Uh? I you know, I think that the general public
had a basic understanding that this conference was non functional.
When it comes to people that are in positions to
speak on behalf of the conference. You know, if they're
a media member and they're getting inside information, they're getting
it from somewhere, and you have to understand that wherever

(09:00):
they're getting it from is going to have some type
of agenda on their own. You know, you have connections.
I have connections, but but I wasn't going to listen
to anybody who's financial future depended on any any outcomes.
And what's interesting is we've now entered the era in
which everybody wants the obituary for the PAC twelve to

(09:21):
mention that they weren't the bad guy. Yes, And so
you have John Canzano coming out and saying like, hey,
Arizona had no intention of going to the to the
Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
And I'm like, how they accepted it the night before.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right, And then you have Jason Sheer saying I don't
and like, Jason Sheer literally reported that he did not
believe John Canzano had a source at Arizona, which is
a pretty heavy accusation of Maake.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, that's that's a pretty heavy accusation.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I'm just yeah, I'm just telling you what these two
dueling sources are are are Report and Jason Shears saying
that Arizona was willing to go to the Big Twelve
without Arizona State while leading Michael Crow on. Meanwhile, there's

(10:13):
you know, people saying that it was Michael Crow responsible
for like leaking out there that UTAW, Arizona, and Arizona
State were all tied at the hip. Brett Yormark, the
commissioner of the Big Twelve, came out today and said
all of his conversations with the corner schools were independent,
that it was not something that he was worried about
whether they'd come as a group or not. He was

(10:35):
just worried about expansion and doing what was best for
the Big Twelve. So if that was just Colorado, it
is just gonna be Colorado. If it was all four
corner schools, it was going to be all four corner schools.
But he knew that he had the authority to offer
a full share to all four schools. He negotiated with
them independently, and he would have taken Arizona and not
Arizona State. And then you have Arizona President Robert Robbins

(10:56):
coming out this week and saying we showed up to
the meeting ready to sign away in blood the grant
of rights.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
To dude, that was so extra, that was so extra
sign away in blood. We were ready to sign away
and you liar, you I mean, and I don't understand.
Because it's funny because Oregon seems to be very DGF
about this, because they don't even they haven't even responded

(11:28):
with any messaging about oh yeah, like you are you know,
like you guys are the ones who destroyed the conference.
They're like whatever, bro.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's the interesting thing is that the Arizona Schools, the
Arizona Schools seem very intent on not being held responsible
or culpable in any way for the breakup of the conference.
Michael Crow has said publicly that they were the last
stalwarts fighting for the Pac twelve survival and that they
were fully willing to sign that grant of rights the

(12:04):
Star Trek twenty third century deal they were going to
get from from Apple TV. John Canzano reported, I believe
that two schools signed on Thursday night, the night before.
Makes you wonder if Arizona State was one of them,
but that the only reason this didn't happen is that

(12:24):
Oregon and Washington didn't show up to the meeting. But
we know Brett Ormark saying he had conversations with Arizona
State so that they had a fallback plan. Jason Sheer
reported all along that Arizona was ready to go, Colorado
did go. No, one should have been blindsided by that,
the way they were with USC and UCLA.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, this idea was it was obvious Washington. Nobody snuck
out the door.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Do you believe do you honestly believe that all nine
schools would have signed that Apple TV deal if Oregon
and Washington showed up the morning of No? Do you
believe that Oregon and Washington used what they knew about
the Apple TV deal to create a better situation for

(13:13):
themselves in the Big ten, in which they can borrow
against future earnings to make up for travel costs, in
which their you know, three fifth share is more than
you would be getting if you had jumped to the
Big twelve instead. Do you think that they were using
that as a negotiating tactic to a better place for themselves.

(13:36):
Do you find anything wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
What are you suppose are you just supposed to say, oh,
they gave me an offer, Ralph, So let's say for
Arizona Varsity or whatever. If somebody offers you a deal
for Arizona Varsity, and then another company offers you a

(14:00):
deal for Arizona well actually yeah, and you're like, I
don't know, and then another company offers you a deal
for Arizona Varsity. Are you not going to leverage those
two deals to get the best deal?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
My wife, Mike, I'm an idiot, you know me, So
like I'm you know, you know me, you know me,
I'll probably I probably go with the person who is
nice to me. You know.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I am saying you've had just in the years of
our friendship, you've had to repeatedly lead block for my
inability to be like a smart business person. And I
appreciate you for that, but I agree with you that
a normal person would absolutely want to make sure even
they got the best deal possible.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah. But yeah, but even if you want to be
at one of the two places, right, even if you
took less, you're going to tell them, hey, yo, this
other company is offering me this. I need you like yes,
you know, and then they come up and you're like, okay, cool,
I'll I'll take your deal. I don't want that deal anyway.
I just needed a better deal here.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, And I mean I was talking to my dad
yesterday and you know, they're in the process of moving
to South Dakota, so they got an apartment while they
wait for their property to be built out. And they've
been in their apartment for one year. The apartment manager
came to them and said, we're going to up your
rent by three hundred bucks a month, and my dad
said no, and then they came back to him with
an offer of keeping his rent the exact same. So, like,

(15:27):
you know, you do have the ability to negotiate, and
I don't fault Washington and Oregon for doing that. Do
you think that Washington's president coming out and saying that
that the best part about this being that you could
get out after two years shows how bad of a
deal it was.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes. Yes. If if you're like, hey guys, hey guys,
if you don't love it, you can leave in two years,
that's not a selling point, right, That's not a selling
point when when the alt win in two years, you're
gonna be like, oh, oh, which way do we go? No,
bro teams wanted security and I understand that now. Now

(16:13):
the question is, though, is when you look at the
reports is that it is one of the biggest questions
that I had, and I saw Jeff Schwartz talk about
it too, is why the conference was worth more as
parts than it was together in terms of average amount

(16:36):
per per school Oregon and Washington way over thirty million
the big the corner schools going to the Big ten
or getting thirty one point seven, but together they weren't
worth that.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Up, apparently to the TV networks.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So but then we come to find out that ESPN, Fox,
and CBS all bit on small portions, and Klikoff never
presented that to the presidents.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I think his assumption was that they wouldn't want any
part of it. The CBS bid was just for a
few basketball games, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, but you could have pieced his whole thing together
to make the money work.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah. I I personally feel like the tiny bids were
U were an attempt at destabilization, especially the one from
Fox to basically tell you to let you know you're
not worth all that, You're not worth all that, like
I'll give you, you know, I'll give you a couple
of bucks, and and so what that should have been

(17:42):
was a humbling moment for for George Kleepkoff and maybe
it was you know, which ultimately led you know, to
him presenting the Apple TV deal. I will say this,
a lot of people are blaming Fox. Rupert Murdoch back
in you know, over ten years ago now decided that
that his networks all around the world were going to

(18:04):
go all in on live sports. They were gonna bid big,
they were gonna bid heavy, and they were going to
own big portions of the market. One thing that somebody
in that business is going to want is they're going
to want the time windows. Yes, right, so getting USC
and UCLA was the thing for them that they wanted.

(18:26):
They wanted to get into that Pacific time zone. I
cannot fault Fox for wanting to get into the Pacific
time zone. I can't. Now, you know, should Rupert Murdoch,
should Fox executives care about tradition or should they care
about winning and beating their competitors? You know that that's

(18:48):
not really something that in a capitalist society you're ever
gonna you know, if you have an opinion that's contrary
to they should want to win, it's not one that
you're ever gonna gain any ground on. How However, one
thing they definitely don't want is they don't want people
going to non linear options. Yeah, everybody was invested in

(19:11):
Apple TV not gaining any ground here, so you would
figure that somebody would come in with some type of bid,
But everyone knew that the writing was on the wall.
They didn't even have to bid. So if every TV
network who is being threatened by the idea of Apple
TV getting a foothold wouldn't even come in and put
a serious bid in. They knew you were cooked. Yep,

(19:35):
they knew. So how did you not know?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
How it was like stalling you out?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Bro? It was the slow death. And that's where the
frustrating part is that everybody's like, oh, here's all the
mistakes that were made. We had been saying this and
screaming the urgency since ESPN signed the deal with the
big ten network. I'm no, no, I'm sorry with the SEC

(20:02):
when they sign that, I was like, Bro, the PAC
twelve is in a major crisis right now.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
If you remember that, because.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I said that they're going to talk that they're taking
up all the air in the room on ESPN and
on and on ABC, all the air in the room.
So you better get the CBS, you better get in
with Fox. That should have been priority number one. They're like,
we're got to get you. Don't negotiate these things until

(20:30):
a year out. Okay, you keep on waiting, and they're like,
these contracts are air tight with the PAC twelve networks,
and bro, do you know the PAC twelve networks.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I've been in business a long time.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
When you find a way to make people more money,
they're like, oh, that contract, I don't worry about that contract. Well,
if you can find a solution for them that is
easier and makes them more money, they will absolutely sign
up for that.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
All these presidents, these presidents didn't break sweat, they didn't
get their hands dirty, they don't have any callouses. All
they had to do was show up on a Zoom
meeting and he signed something. The presidents did not work hard.
They put in no work on this. It really all
fell to.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, but they're not George experts on it. It's That's
what I'm saying. They're not the experts on it. They're like,
whoa to the commissioner. They are academic people the majority
of the time, when in reality.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Speaking of consultants, they hired a consultant to even get
George Khliaevkoff in the building in the first place, so
you know, they didn't even trust themselves to come to
me together to make a decision. But like George, they
the PAC twelve, George Kliafkoff in particular, went to NBC
three times. That's what's been reported that they more than anything,

(21:53):
wanted to try to get NBC involved, and three different
times NBC was like no, thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, nah, I mean like we want Damn reversus notre dame.
But that's pretty much ye.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
A place where John Canzano and Jason Sheer are together
is reporting that the that the PAC twelve president group
rejected an offer for thirty million per school after USC
and UCLA left from ESPN. But what Jason Sheer is
reporting is that Kirk Schultz from Washington State was the
leader in rejecting that deal. So it makes it kind

(22:26):
of hard to feel sorry for Washington State if that's
true they were, because then ESPN went and when they
got a counteroffer from the PAC twelve presidents, which was
over forty million, they didn't even counter They just went
to the Big twelve and inked them to the deal
that the corner schools are now.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Part of yep YEP had.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now you sometimes you overplay your hand, and they overplayed
their hand, and it's like, I don't think that they
realized the national perception problem that the PAC twelve really had.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
They're like, yeah, where we're the Conference of Champions.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
This is bro national because you are not available and
you are not a partner with ESPN where they own
half of the SEC network and Fox owns half of
the Big twelve, they are going to promote you more,
even if it's even if it's an unconscious bias, it's

(23:29):
just the truth. So that was, you know, terrible as well.
And now according to Brett your Mark, they are stopping
the expansion. They're done, so that leaves out Stanford, Cal,
Washington State in Washington, I'm sorry, in Oregon State. And
now they're trying to merge with the AAC or the

(23:53):
ACC like they are scrambling for lifelines and that may
look like according to Will that that could be fifteen
million dollars per school if they merge with the AAC,
and now that is for the AAC schools. They're like,
can we get this done, please sign us up. We

(24:16):
were getting like four million. Hell yes, we will take
it don't even know. No, we love it. We love it.
You would have no problem getting them to sign that
granted rights. But for cal Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State,
that's a significant revenue loss and you got to figure

(24:41):
out a way to get back at a seat at
the big boys table, which is which is not good.
So the financial you know, of a PAC twelve rebuild,
the good news is is that if they stay together,
they have all those basketball credits to like help subsidize money. Yeah,
sixty million dollars in basketball credits that the other teams left.

(25:06):
So that's good news.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So could we move forward with one year of a
pack four? No look for teams.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
To I mean, I guess technically you could. But who
the hell are you gonna play in twenty twenty four?
How and I'm talking about like every single sport, not
not even just football. How are you gonna find nine
other Well, so, so they already have a non conference
schedule which may remain untouched, So that's three six.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
How are you gonna find six other games?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Six?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Six other football games? And then for your other sports.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Some of which would include like pretty hardcore travel for
other people to come to you.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yep, so you might have to have some pay.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Games exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
So, yeah, so you're you're not gonna be able to
put a schedule together. They're close enough to be able
to be anything good. And then also none of the
other conferences are incentivized to help you.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
What about Okay, So I think it's the dumbest thing
I've ever heard in my life, because we know why
notre name is independent. It has to do with the
fact that a huge chunk of this country in the thirties, forties,
fifty sixties grew up Catholic. The loyalty is generational, and
there's a reason that they can be on NBC, and

(26:30):
there's a reason that they can get that money directly.
People talk about Stanford going independent. I don't get it
unless you're gonna give your broadcasts a way for free
so that people will actually watch. Stanford doesn't have a
loyal audience base. It's why it was not included in
the conferences trying to break apart to pack twelve exactly,

(26:54):
so what Stanford can't be independent, that's not even an
option on the table for them. They have to be
packaged with cal And now you have the Mountain West
is starting to wage a campaign to absorb at the
very least Washington State and Oregon State. You had Wyoming's
basketball coach come out this week and say the Mountain
West is actually a better hoops conference than the Pac
twelve was. They got eight teams into the tournament in

(27:16):
the last two years to pack twelve when they got seven,
and adding Oregon State and Washington State would only make
the Mountain West that much more of a force in basketball.
So you already have people trying to pick at the
bones and advocate. And what I don't want for the
remaining Pack twelve teams to pack four is for them
to get drunk on the idea that they have any

(27:36):
type of leverage.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh yeah, because you thinking.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You had any type of leverage is the reason you're homeless.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Right, Well, they have leverage with the AAC a little.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Bit, but with the Mountain West, the Mountain West ain't
even there, like all right, bro, Like they they are
operating from a position of strength because their teams can't leave.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
It's two costs prohibitive to to leave right now.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
And no one in the Mountain West is scared like
you had you had. Robert Turpin, former Utah State running
back on your show just a couple of nights ago,
and you asked him if adding Oregon State in Washington
State would be bad for Utah State because it just
knocked them further, uh from from from the top of
the pile in the Mountain West. And he was like, no, man,

(28:23):
those are two solid ladder runs for us to climb
like that. Nobody, nobody in the Mountain West is worried.
They say, if we get you, we get you. We've
been getting you in out of conference games anyway.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yep, all right, now on to the business that had
because we are ten days away from football.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Hooray.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh wow, don't be a fuddy duddy man.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's some excitement.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
So the first AP pole came out and my immediate reaction,
of course, as an Oregon fan, I'm like, really, really,
bra really.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Okay, I'm gonna stop real quick. Is this the PAC
twelve's make a Wish season?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Oh? The to to it actually sucks because this is
the best the PAC twelve has been in quite some time. Yes,
and they're getting national respect.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Is this a trip to Disneyland before? Do you see
what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh my god, that that the Pac twelve is terminally ill,
and now that they're gonna get a chance to run
on the field with all their fabort.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
We know it's gonna be a good ass time. Like
this is the most excited I've ever been for a
PAC twelve season, but also it's the end. Yeah, that's
what I was thinking about this morning. I was like,
is this our make a wish year?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Damn? So you got USC at six behind Georgia Michigan.
Georgia schedule is shit, so so is Michigan's. It's gross.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Uh poll are you looking at right now?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
The ap pole?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So you got uh Georgia. So you got USC at six,
Washington at ten, Utah at fourteen, Oregon at fifteen, Oregon
State at eighteen. So you got five PAC twelve teams
inside the top eighteen, four inside the top fifteen, and

(30:18):
two in the top ten.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And UCLA at twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah this ain't bad, brother to say bad, But the
problem is that as soon as games start getting played
and conference games start getting played, oh my god, they've
had twelve, they they're ruining their chances because there are
so many good teams. So there is going to be
some attrition as opposed to a team like Georgia. Who

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where Georgia, Alabama, and LSU are in the same you
know conference. Guess how many of those teams? Uh, well, Georgia,
I'll just tell you Georgia doesn't play Bama.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
They don't play LSU.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And and you're you're like, hold up, they do play Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
They're like, hold up, how the hell.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Are is this team supposed to be the national champions
and all this stuff?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
And they do play Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
So they have two teams that came in ranked in
the top twenty five on their schedule two and then
their non conference games are against U T. Martin Ball State,
UAB and Georgia Tech.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's good to be king. I can't all this stuff
is set for in advance.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
So oh, don't get me.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Oh god that like like Georgia hasn't been recruiting at
a high level.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
But it also this this this was set prior to
Georgia winning two national championships.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes, but not prior to Georgia being but not prior
to Georgia being one of the top recruiting ranking schools
in the country every year.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh, I'm with you, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yep. So Georgia is absolute bums for this schedule. It
is embarrassing. But we got packed twelve business to handle,
pack twelve business to handle because we don't play no
games in this final season.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
If you're gonna do it, then do it big.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Does it bother you that the AP pole is the
exact same as the PAC twelve preseason media poll, Like
the top six that're all in the top twenty eight
are in the exact same order.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, No, because it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
It doesn't bother you the Oregan's fourth side of any
motivation that it might bring your ducks. No, you feel
like it's a little.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's it's it's weak.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
But because they would have no problem putting all four
SEC teams in the top ten if it were the
same situation. None. But you know, these non conference things,
these non conference games have to get done. Washington cannot

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lose to Michigan State. They cannot, under any circumstances lose
to Michigan State. That would be a disaster. And they
can't lose to Boise State either. How about that? How
about that.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Non conference is as important as it's ever been for
the whole conference this year.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, the USC is not going to have any problem
with their first two games, or they shouldn't with San
Jose State and then Nevada, Oregon State has San Jose State,
U See Davis and San Diego State, So you know,
if they if all of these teams are undefeated coming
out of the non conference, you're gonna have four PAC

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twelve teams in the in the top twelve by the
time Week four rolls around. That's important.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
That's important, Yang yang yang, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So we wanted to go through the teams and and
we usually and Ralph taught me that the best way
to do this was alphabetical order.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
So oh god, we still haven't learned it and we
don't have to learn it because the conference died.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
So yep. So well, actually, first thing, who do you
predict will win the back twelve this year?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Ah? It's interesting because well.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, I should say the two teams that play in
the conference game and your winner.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah. So it's interesting because I'm seeing different picks from
all over the place, like like people who you think
would be in the know aren't even like close. I think,
uh was Canzano has like Oregon State and will Washington
and the college football playoff playing against Utah. It's it's

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been really really interesting to go from. But but I
think everybody wants there to be some type of surprise
this year.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And to me, yeah, everybody wouldn't it. Wouldn't it be
great if Oregon State won it?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, first of all, yes, it would be like there
would be a million reasons to be excited about that,
a million reasons. But to me, it's still Talent is destiny.
And I get that this is a quarterback league or whatever,
but there's a full roster. There's a full roster that
you have to account for. It's very simple to me

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when I look at it. This is Oregon and USC Yep,
Why why tinker? Why try to get cute? Why try
to be the one with them?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're going to have a replay for the PAC twelve championship.
Is he gonna be Oregon Washington or Oregon U s E?
And either either way give me the ducks.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm a little bit I'm and this isn't to appease you,
because you know, I don't care. I'm a little bit
confused by the Washington hype.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
They're there, their offense is outstanding, Michael Pennix junior is
is special. Their wideouts are really good. They got a
first round wide out on there. Now, I do think
their defense is going to be a troublesome. It's gonna
be a trouble point because it just has been and
that's not Kaylin de Boor's mo o and I and

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I think that it's going to bother Washington fans a
little bit because they were used to this defense being
like their their thing, you know what I mean, Like
we're dB We're one of the DBU's, we.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Are special on defense.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
So I think that that's gonna be a little bit
of an emotional getting used to for Washington fans.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And not like not to get ahead of ourselves or whatever,
because we're gonna go team by team on this. But
I look at this Washington team, I'm like, Oh, they
really could win ten games. Yeah here and other people
be like if they lose a game, it's a disappointment. Well,
first of all, we gotta get away from that completely
because they're gonna lose it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And starting next season they will lose more. I mean
that's that's not to say they can't win the Big
Ten or something like that, but I'm just saying when
like you, you are destined to lose more when your
competition is better. Like there's if like the Big Ten
playing nine conference games next year is going to be

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rougher because you are going to get your your three
West Coast teams, which are elite, and then you're gonna
get like there's no like that. You're not gonna avoid Michigan,
Ohio State, and Penn State. You're you're not gonna avoid
all three of those. So so, so you're gonna have

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at least five ranked teams on your schedule probably, bro. Yes,
And they're talking about the gauntlet. Bro, that's the real gauntlet.
That that's gonna be the gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So I'm locking it in USC Oregon. You're locking it
in same.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm gonna go USC Oregon. I
think it's that they play early in the season. They
played early enough in the season that a good game
could be that then they both finished undefeated. Well, one
finishes undefeated, one finishes with one one loss, or they
both have one loss headed into the conference championship, and
that one is for all the marbles for a trip

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to the conference to the college football playoffs.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
You think we get both quarterbacks on the Heisman stage.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, I think it's definitely possible that two pack twelve
quarterbacks are on the Heisman stage.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, they won't bring three, no, because sometimes they're only
four player total. But it would be pretty fun if
it was.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Just all past twelve twel what did what did you say?
Make a wish season? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Why not? Why not? Dream big?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Hey we are we are coining that on Twitter makes
and we got to put the little trademark pac twelve
make a wish season things.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
When someone tries to cancel us for it, I'm not
even gonna say cancel culture, just be like, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yep, all right, So let's go with Utah. Let's let's
start actually, yeah, let's start with Utah.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Lets just start with the letter you all right, whatever,
we can do whatever we want.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yes, exactly. So this year they are returning Cam Rising.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, he's he appears to be healthy now.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And this is a team that has won the conference
the last two seasons despite not necessarily being you know,
as sexy as you would like to like them to
be in the recruiting rankings, all of that. But Andy
Ludwig their officer coordinator has done an incredible job.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
They obviously lost.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Dalton Kinka, who is a member of who the Buffalo
bill is.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Now and getting the most hype of anyone in the
history of NFL rookies. Like they're calling him Travis Kelsey.
I can't wait for him to actually play meaningful games
because it is getting out of control, the Dalton kin
Kid hype in the Northeast.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yes, yeah, bro, it is. It is insane how how
much it is. But they are like this team has been.
Last year, they ranked what eleventh in scoring at thirty
eight point six points per game total often was in

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the top twenty in the country yards per play twenty three.
This this team, and I believe that their defense that
was young last year is going to be better. This
is going to be a good Utah defense. And I
know that we didn't even mention them in the in
the in terms of winning the conference, and we probably

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should have because at what point in time can we
discount Utah the back to back champions?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Right now? When I do it right now? They have
a very hard schedule.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
So they play Florida and then Baylor. Yes, will they
win both of those games? No?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
They're beating both Florida and the Vegas on. Utah is
eight and a half. I have them as an eight win.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Team, so that means that they believe that they will
lose to probably USC Oregon, Washington.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
And either Florida or Baylor or Oregon State or U
C l A.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Or they're they're they're counting on that. Splitting the money, bro,
that's tough. I think they're an eight win team. I
think it's hard to stay at the top of the
mountain like that we have. We haven't seen a lot
of Pac twelve teams actually even do that. Cam Rising
has is three ACL tears deep. By my count, he's

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tore both his a CL and some cadavers a c
L at this point. I think he missed his senior
season in high school. I think he he had the
transition year from Texas to Utah, and I think it
happened again last year. That's not to say that I
think it's gonna happen again. I just think that's a
lot of wear and tear on the body. BYU fans

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who hate that Cam Rising gets any hype whatsoever have
pointed out that he only has one win ever in
an out of conference game against a Power five opponent.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
So you know that's tough. But there are things about
this Utah team that I like. Obviously, they're bringing back
some tight end talent, offensive and defensive line should be solid.
Coach Shaw didn't go to prison, only his wife did,
so the secondary remains strong. Well, first of all, I'm

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not even being cruel or incendiary. His wife took a
plea deal, and the speculation on Real Housewives of Salt Lake,
which I highly recommend to any back twelve fan, was
that that it was possible that that plea deal was
to to to stop anybody else from you know, that
it was possible that the district attorney was maybe threatening

(43:46):
further indictments. I think Coach Shaw's the coolest guy in
the entire world. I don't think he had anything to
do with swindling old people out of money. But his
wife's going to jail and serving time with Elizabeth Holmes,
and I'm dead series about this. I think without Coache Shaw,
I think that secondary falls apart. That's how good of
a coach I think he is. Is it scandalous to

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bring that up? It's just the truth. I don't I
don't know what else to say here. So I think
that that Utah is going to be solid all around.
I do not believe that they have the playmaking ability
uh if if they get down.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
To Yeah, but they added Micah. They added uh, this
is his name, Michaeh. Pittman.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Everybody has had Micah Pittman. Everybody has added him for
a year and they had though.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
He is good. And I think their biggest weapon on
offense besides quarterback is going to be ja Quindon Jackson,
the former quarterback who's now running back. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah, he looks. He looks like he's going to be
really good.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Do you think.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Okay, So here's the deal. They're so front loaded on
this schedule. They open with Florida and then they have Baylor.
They got the in state with with Weaver State, so
that's not just gonna be your typical cupcake. They're gonna
beat the hell out of them, but it's it's gonna
take a little bit out of them. Then they got
to turn right around host UCLA, go to reser host

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col and then go to USC host Oregon, host Arizona State,
and then Washington. They have like two guaranteed wins in
their first ten games.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah. Yeah, they have some tough stretches like that, like
that October twenty first USC then Oregon, then Arizona State
in Washington. Bro, that's gonna be a nightmare. And then
I think, I think Arizona ain't even Arizona ain't laying down.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
No, especially because you gotta go to Tucson for that
and that can always be tough. But I believe this, George,
Like this is my bold Utah prediction six and four
going into that Arizona game. Oh up Arizona, they clean
up Colorado.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm mad at unafraidshow dot com. I'm mad at Unafraid
show dot com. And you can give Ralph your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I got a lot of Utah followers in the last
couple of weeks. I'm sure that they're they're not gonna
enjoy it. But I I I tell you what, if
they're eight and two going into those last two games,
then I will apologize. But I I it's such a
tough schedule. I don't think it's their fault. I don't
think it's their fault. The schedule is.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh you think that everybody else is just so damn good?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
No, I just I think it's the luck of the draw.
I think in the same way that you were, like
Georgia randomly ended up with like the most cupcake schedule
ever and with who they're missing, I think the exact
opposite is happening to.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Utah Utah and I.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
But I don't think anybody's gonna be at fault for it.
I think the offense is gonna look good at times.
I'm a big believer in Andy Ludwig. I think the defense,
I think. I think they're gonna be physical. I think
they're gonna be solid. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong,
but you know, they're replacing Clark Phillips, they're replacing Dalton
Kincaid like they they're not. It's not like they didn't
lose players. And I know we talk about this every

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year that they just reload, but this sustained development, it's
gonna be really tough. And they also have to get
used to playing some new offenses, new coaches, stuff that
they might not be used to. I just think it's
there's gonna be some hard knocks. Eight and four is
where I have them.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
That's tough. Now on to the Washington Huskies. The Huskies
who people are excited about. A bunch of people have
them inside their top ten. Last year, their only losses
were to UCLA Arizona State. Was kind of surprising, but yeah,

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they had a lot of high scoring games. They scored
a qatrillion points. Are you bullish on them this season
because they play Boise, Tulsa, Michigan State. This is a
good non conference schedule at Michigan State. How do you

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feel about their non conference schedule that starts on September.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Second, I think that it's solid enough. It's solid enough
that if they actually do go on the in conference
run that people are thinking that it could influence people
to say that they would have maybe done enough if
they go eleven and one gets to play in a
pactoral championship, that they could get a spot somewhere else.

(48:38):
The Vegas Insiders over under on wins is nine and
a half. Seems like everybody's taking the over on that.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
George, Yeah, see the wild card to meet so Boise
State's always tough, right, but I think that Washington physically
overmatches them. Same thing with Michigan State's the wild card.

(49:04):
They lost their quarterback Taylor Lawork to the transfer portal
they are. They play at Arizona, at Stanford at USC,
so USC's gonna be oh and at Oregon State in
November at Oregon State, so that's gonna be a foggy

(49:24):
game at night, probably on ESPN like an eight o'clock
like seven or Fox Sports wonted like an eight o'clock kickoff,
So Oregon State USC could get sketchy. I'm sorry, Yeah, USC,
Oregon State could get sketchy. Hell they got Utah to
or bro. Their schedule is tough.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a really good like set.
At nine and a half, I think they can finish
the season maybe ten and three, so I I I'll
take over. The interesting thing about them is they scored
on everybody last year, right, they scored on everybody, but
starting in Week three last year, here's what they gave

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up twenty eight, twenty two, forty forty five, thirty nine,
twenty one, twenty one, thirty four. Like they everybody scored
on them, even even Washington State, who they dropped fifty
one on, got thirty three.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, they got.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Three wins last year where they lost the turnover battle.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
She sh that's not typical.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
No, so it if they're taking care of the football
and the defense improves, then they should be able to
replicate what they did last year, right, which was what
an eleven wins season?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, but they have to improve in both of those areas,
will they? That's that's really the big Yeah to me,
that that's really really the big thing, because the defense
fell off and they didn't always protect the ball. They

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didn't always protect the ball. They had I think a
streak of five consecutive games where there was no turnover
margin and one of those they lost to Arizona State.
So they didn't force a lot of turnovers last year either.
So a lot of people think as Michael Pennix goes,
they go. But he can only do so much. Is

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he gonna throw for forty six hundred yards again?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yes he will? Like That's the thing is that, yes
he will. In Kalin the Boars offense, he will. Like
That's not even a debate to me because their quarterback
in Fresno State did it multiple years.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Gosh, as an Arizona State fan and an Arizona State
oflum you know what scares me most about this schedule
what the idea that Washington could be like ten and
zero going into a November game at research late November game.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, that's tough, bro, because that's a scary that's a
scary game because it's going to be a night game.
You know, it's going to be a night game, and
it's gonna be foggy. Yeah, yep. And you can find.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
You've been victimized by the same thing, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't even remember that.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Your memory is foggy.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yes, my memory is foggy.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
All right, Onto the USC Trojans.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Number ten. Oh well, they are inside the top ten.
They are number six in the a peopole. The raining
defending Heisman Trophy winner, the greatest quarterback prospect that we've
ever seen in the history of life, the man who
admitted that his nails was probably not a great idea,

(52:58):
who has been fantastic. Get this unbelievable, The Superman of
all Superman's Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Now can he play defense? Though?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It doesn't matter, man, because UCLA or USC gets to
go and pick who their players are. You know that
PAC twelve All Conference list comes out and USC boosters
just look at the second team and they're like, all right,
let's get to work.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
They're like Yeah, let's get all these second teamers and
bring them over here.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Here's the best part the hype that you just gave,
Caleb Williams, you weren't being sarcastic at all. No, and
everything I just said about USC, neither am I It's true.
They are Like if rules were in place to actually
like regulate the transfer portal, USC might be in hell
right now. They might have they might have more sanctions

(53:58):
than they had when how.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
About their their transfers that they're notable transfers, Christian Roland
Wallace who's one of Ralph's favorite players because he has
a hyphenated name out of Arizona, Mason Cobb from Oklahoma State,
the linebacker who's a good player, Bear Alexander from Georgia. Right,

(54:21):
that's just on the defense. And then they got what
they stole Washington State's line ming Jared Kinston Kingston. And
they got Dorian Singer from Arizona because they raided Arizona.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Who is oh and the.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Dorian Singer thing is even funny because Kayleb Williams at
pack to a media day said that during the game
he looked at his coaches and said, are we going
to go get him because he was going off. Yeah,
I love it interestingly enough. Yes, that is exactly what
they did.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
And then Marshawn Lord, the running back from South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Who is an absolute like hoss.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yes, this team is this team offensively is going to
be straight. Now are is Alex Grintch going to be
able to put together, like coordinate a good defense?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Because pieces they should be better.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
At this time last year, we were talking about Grinch
being the head coach of Arizona State, and now we're
talking about him being the weak link. It's amazing what
a year's difference does for somebody's reputation.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
And you know what is uh so USC has you know,
a bunch of people who are going to be projected
on all packed twelve teams and all of that stuff.
So you know, we shallsey.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
So what did you give up three hundred million points
in their last seven games? I just want to throw
that out there. Even Colorado got seventeen on them, You
Cla scored forty five, Utah got forty seven, Tallane got
forty six. You talked you take went over forty twice
on this team. That's how bad. Their defense was so

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you know, and but Lincoln Riley stuck by Alex Grinch
and so yikes, that make a break, right.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
There's nothing wrong with sticking by your guy, bro, nothing
wrong with sticking by your guy. But if you if
you're wrong, it is going to be hell to pay.
And when you look at this schedule, where do you
see losses besides at Colorado?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Uh, the most dangerous I was joking, right, but I
mean the most dangerous game is really October twenty first,
before that, it feels like they could clean up. If
they're struggling early on, that's a huge problem. But I
think they probably go into their game against Utah undefeated.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Uh, that Notre Dame game is not going to be
like like it's it's not going to be that simple. Bro.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You keep forgetting that Caleb Williams exists.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I know, I'm not forgetting that Caleb Williams exists. I'm
just saying that that Notre Dame is going to be better.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I'm just saying that that's the game that's gonna be
the first time that Heisman voters really get to tune
in San Jose State that opening game. That opening game
is on pack twelve network for the defending Heisman winner.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, I don't. I don't see a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, you should see what ESPN is playing at the
exact same time. What it's like tu lane in somebody?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Oh damn, yeah, it's Code Blood. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Well, I think that that game is going to be
so important because it's gonna be the first time people
are like, is Caleb Williams gonna repeat or not? That's
gonna be the game to set the narrative at Notre
Dame on October fourteenth.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah, that makes sense, all right, So I think that
their only chance for losses are Notre Dame at Notre Dame, Utah, Washington,
and Oregon. That's it. So what game on here could
be sneaky UCLA. That's it. Nothing else, nothing else.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Are you gonna Are you gonna give me any respect
when Christian Roland Wallace is packed to a first team.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Of course, but the way USC schedule is set up,
they actually have two buys. They have a bye the
last week of the season on November twenty fifth, which
is actually terrible. I hate when this happens because it
gives if they're in the conference championship, they get a
week off, a week to get healthy, which is which

(58:55):
is totally unfair. But yeah, I digress, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
On to actual offensive player of the year and defensive
player of the year off this roster. I think you're
going to see Kaylen Williams Eric Gentry in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Okay, I totally disagree, because I think that the PAC
twelve Player of the Year is going to defensive player
of the Year is going to come from Oregon. In
Jordan Birch, all right, how are you.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Going to feel if it actually ends up being just
in flow?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
It won't be. It won't be. I'm not worried about
that at all. So you have the Oregon Ducks, who
are fifteen in the coaches I mean in the yeah,
in the coaches poll.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
And in the AP pole. They had their offense.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
They are rebuilding their offensive line because they graduated damn
near the whole thing, but they reloaded with a transfer
out of Road Island. They have a big time freshman
that was there that played some last year in Oregon
typically does a really good job with their officsive line.

(01:00:10):
So I'm actually less worried about that than anything else.
It's the defense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
When Nicks got sacked for the first time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yes, yeah, so I'm I mean, it's okay. You know,
they did a really good job. I mean, but the
office of line was veteran and all that stuff. But
they do a really good job with the offensive line.
But they do have a new offensive coordinator, which is
different than their lasts office coordinator who's now the head
coach at Arizona State. He was more run heavy, but

(01:00:41):
I'm not sure if that's more who he is or
whether that's more Dan Lanning's influence on the situation, whereas
UTSA tends to throw throw the ball more, but that
may be because they want to move fast and all
of that because they have a talent deficiency against some
of the people that they play against. So it'll be
interesting to see how Oregon's new officer coordinator breaks in

(01:01:03):
with this with this team, because their offense was really
good last year and their defense they if they if
Oregon does not get if they cannot pressure the quarterback,
if they cannot get pressure without blitzing, they are going
to lose to Washington and to USC for sure and
could be looking at a ninety three season regular season.

(01:01:29):
But if they can get pressure on the quarterback without blitzing,
they can run the table.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yeah yeah. I mean I'm of everyone that was lost
by any Pac twelve team that actually made an impact,
because I mean, USC lost a couple of players who
were absolute world beaters, but you know, the defense kept
getting torched. I look at Christian Gonzales and I wonder

(01:01:55):
if if.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Oh, yeah, because he was good, bro, he was special.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Good Kyrie Jackson could be. I think he came in
from Alabama, right, I'm rooting also for a Gary Bryant
redemption story. Yeah, yeah, And he's part of this Oregon defense.
I think that they're much more dependent on their defense

(01:02:21):
being functional to get them where they want to go
than than I believe. You know, I think the offense
is gonna be fine. I think Bo Knicks is is
coming in with more confidence and swagged than he's ever
had except for maybe his senior year in high school.
I think they're gonna be able to run the ball.
I think that'll give the offensive lineman some some confidence.

(01:02:43):
It'll be fun to see Josh carnellly get on the
field because he was a monster in high school, right,
and if they can do with him what they did
with Pine Seool. That's gonna be exciting to watch. But
you know they turned over some of the players on
this defense. You know, Pane Soool's gone or not, No,
Sool's gone. Justin full Flow is in is in Arizona.
Christian Gonzales is in the NFL. It's gonna be interesting

(01:03:05):
to see how they piece things together defensively. I think
that game at Texas Tech, I'm fascinated by that because
it's gonna be in Lubbock. The crowd is gonna be
absolutely insane. Joe McGuire has a really good thing going
on down there. And guess who the starting quarterback is
of the Red Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Baby, Oh, it is your boy, Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, former Oregon deck Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
So so did I say his name right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
You did? For the first time ever?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yes, you did. I was debating. I was like, shuck shuck, shuck, shuck, shuck,
shuck shuck. I just I just guessed it was fifty
to fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It's just so like I've I've had September nine circled forever,
and I'm not gonna I won't be rooting against Oregon,
but I do want Tyler Shuck to play well in
that game because you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Can root against them all, you won't do it. Ain't
gonna help him, baby, it ain't gonna help him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I'm still back to pack. I am back to pack.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Are you exkidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I am back the guy right, yes, done sober, sober
like I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
But the non conference. But the thing, George, is the
non conference. You want everybody even even if you're only playing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Well, I should say yes, yes, I am to see
I'm back to pack like like like, I want you
fools to win your non conference games. But I'm also
saying we're mercenaries, so you know. So, so y'all do
what's best for y'all, will do what's best for us.
Just freaking just do your job. Just do your job.

(01:04:34):
You're just win baby, yep, just win baby. And uh yeah,
So I like Oregon as we picked him in the preseason,
uh to be in the championship game. I think that
this team is going to be underrated. The defense is
going to be significantly better, I believe, and with bo
Nick's returning, if he's able to if he's able to

(01:05:01):
start and finish the season, bro, it is going to
be absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. Sign sign me up, buddy,
who we got now? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
The U c l A Bruins.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Okay, boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Only ten more days of college foot football, but only
two more sleep still high school football?

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yes, side note, I'm super.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Excited my son place today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yes, let's get a win.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Is is his game on nf HS.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I don't know. I don't know if they put JV
games on there, but.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
He's yes, they do what they do in call California soldier.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
He's a freshman on JV. They don't have freshman level
out here, so a little scared for him, but he's starting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Ooh, look at michaeh All right, uh U c l A.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Who's going to be their quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I mean, I who do I want it to be?
Or who is it gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Both?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I'm ready for the Etheran Garber's era. I'm a big
fan of the Garber's brothers. Chase was awesome at CAL.
I would love to see Ethan get a shot here
at UCLA because it's just that much easier to then
turn it over to your future if it's not breaking out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Well, and then you got Collin Shlee. Yeah, and Dante
more So, who do you think it's going to be
Dante Moore? I don't think so at the At the
I'm going Garber's to start this opening game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Is if Garbaus struggles at Coastal Carolina, they're gonna have
to do something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Now, Chip, Chip doesn't do that that fast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
He'll give the man doesn't do anything fast except his
offense has moved fast. But it's a man. Think about it.
It's funny like we're like sixteen months removed from Ben
Bolch at the La Times saying that Chim Kelly needed
to be fired.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Oh god, hey man, and now with an.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
In with a potential incoming freshman quarterback, people think they're
a top thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Teen Yeah, yep, don't Yeah, are the Are you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
In any way sore at Dante more for changing his
mind on Orgon?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Absolutely not, Okay, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
There's that no point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
You're a divided household, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Yes, wife's UCLA.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I'm I'm with the good guys. But but but but
I you know, I enjoy UCLA's success. I like Chip
all right, So yeah, so I don't I don't I
know some of the players on our team. I want
them to do well. I mean, I'm an Oregon fan,
but me knowing so many kids now that are going

(01:07:57):
to these schools, like, I want the kids to have
success as well, so I can enjoy the kid's success
while while also saying yes, yes, I do leaning towards
the Ducks. But the question is what is UCLA gonna
do with their You know, at the wide receiver position,
they lose Jake Bobo Kashmir Allen, but they do get

(01:08:22):
Kyle Ford who transferred from USC. I like and yeah,
and losing Jack Zach Sharbona is a major deal. But
they get TJ Harden Keegan Jones. The running back crew
will be just fine. Now, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Russian prover one thousand yards. I believe. I believe Carson.
He was a monster at Ball State, and I know
it's just Ball State, but five and a half yards
and carries no fluke. I think they're going to find
a way to get him the ball a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, So who do you Their whole schedule depends on
quarterback play because Coastal Carolina is not just gonna be
a pushover. Then they play at San Diego State just
like Oregon State, that's tough, bro, that's always tough.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Like they're just a nuisance and they're gonna be like
we should be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
In the back twelve. You guys ruined it for us,
and then you got you know, at Oregon State, at Stanford,
at Arizona. But they do avoid Oregon and Washington, which
makes things significantly lighter. Yeah. Give me nine wins for UCLA.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Wow, that'd be huge, that would be huge. I remember
our biggest argument on this podcast was whether or not
they would ever win an out of conference game. And
I look at Coastal Carolina and San Diego State, and
I say, if they could start to and oh, then
then you might be right. This could be a nine
win team. I think what it comes down to for

(01:09:53):
me is they went and got a defensive coordinator to
place billing government passed away. It's condolences to his family,
But de'anton lynn from the Ravens has never called the
defense before, so they clung to Jerry as an r
over way too long, way too long. They go with

(01:10:14):
McGovern they instantly improve, and now they got to hire
somebody who's never called the defense, and that is that
That's my one thing that I worry about I think,
you know, there's gonna be maybe some regression there. I
have UCLA as an eight win team. I don't think
they're going to start too and oh, I think they're

(01:10:35):
gonna drop one of those first two and Coastal Carolina
could really set them up for themselves up for a
special season by winning on the road first game of
the season, and that'll get the whole Chip Kelly hot
seat talk started again, because you know, you know that
there's people within u c l A That that that
say they don't want to take chip Kelly to the
Big ten with them, But if they handle business, then

(01:10:59):
you know, not is gonna be enough to have people
excited about the future possibly having you know, two more
years with Dante More as a starter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yep. On to the Oregon State beav us, who's going
to be there? Well, I think that we it's clear
that dj is going to be their starting quarterback to
start the season, but the question is will he retain
that the entire season and fight off Aiden Childs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
I know you've always loved Aiden Childs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
He's still a freshman. I mean, he's a true freshman,
so I've.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I mean, I stay really in tune with high school football.
You were on him way before me, like you turned
me onto him. The fact that he's showing up in
Oregon State practices as good as you said he was
going to be is pretty cool. This coaching staff has
the biggest thing that that Oregon State has going for
them right now is the continuity They held off a

(01:11:56):
lot of people trying to hire away staff. They have
every reason to make this a revenge year. I am
absolutely rooting for them to be as successful as they
can possibly be. I got to watch dj ui Agila
up close in high school. I got to watch him
up close and went to a couple of his games
at Clemson. He can't be timid and lead this team

(01:12:22):
to a special season, and he has a real tendency
to get conservative, really conservative.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah, his confidence had gotten broken.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
But the difference is in the Pac twelve, when you're
six five two fifty and you want to go and
get those five or six yards running, that five or
six yards might turn into a lot more. That wasn't
happening for him in the ACC. Plus, you were the
ACC was having like record breaking quarterback play from everybody
but him, So it just felt like a huge pile on.

(01:12:56):
This is nice to be a fresh start, but is
he going to be able to climb them out of
a hole with his arm?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I don't know, you shouldn't do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Is San Diego State part of the conference again? Good God, No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
They are not, and we know they are not because
the conference is dead because they weren't able to join.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So Oregon State plays them week three. But starting with
San Jose State, you see Davis and then San Diego
well saying you see Davis has multiple Pack twelve schools
on the schedule as well. But the Jets, he gets
a good land like a good takeoff, if that makes sense,
an opportunity to have a good takeoff. Oregon State has

(01:13:37):
a good shot to start three. And oh then they
get at Washington State and that game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
That game is incredibly important, way more important than it
needs to be. Who would have thought? Who would have
thought that, like September twenty third, Oregon State at Washington
State was going to be must see TV.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Well, they got to win that game because if they
can win that game four and oh, that's gonna put
them that that that is going to generate so much
of the hype surrounding them. And and but but here,
here's the truth. Here's the truth, Ralph. If Jonathan Smith

(01:14:16):
finishes this team like ten and two, nine and three
and then wins their ball game, well, actually he won't
be there for the ball game. Like that's as much
as he loves Oregon State, how do you turn down
like somebody being like, all right, Jonathan, here's nine million
dollars Oregon State, match it, match it even getting anywhere close.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
If they're that good at the end of the season,
then he goes out on a note in which he
will remain a legend forever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah. So, yeah, he brought them back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I hate looking ahead like that, though.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I just realize that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Yeah, that's brutal. Let's brutal to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Because the Conference SAI situation. I mean, if Oregon State
doesn't find a tenable solution, how are they gonna pay
their coaches? I mean, it's it's gonna get rough, bro,
It's gonna get rough. But I digress. So but I do, like,
I mean, obviously they're running back with Martinez is really good.

(01:15:23):
Their defense was was really good. So there's a lot
of options, man, there's a lot a lot of options lost.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Jading Grant and Ragon wright. Yeah, is the secondary gonna
keep them in games the way that it did last year?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I don't know about that. I think that that's gonna
be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
For find Yes, I can't read for this game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yes, absolutely So.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Now we got Arizona ralph and high school football season
is about to start out there, and man, is what
is going on out there in your great state of
Arizona hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Well, it's you know, everything in Arizona high school football.
And for people who don't know, that's you know. I
covered the PAC twelve with Georgia. I used to be
the managing editor and lead recruiting reporter of Devil's Digest
cover in Arizona State. But for the last I think
this is year twelve cover Arizona high school football. And

(01:16:29):
it's been interesting year. We got the number one player
in the country decided to leave and move to Georgia
to be closer to Georgia. Some definite arguments about whether
or not he's the number one player in the country.
I don't think any of the people evaluating him actually
came out and saw him in helmet and pads, but
you know that, so that was very interesting. One of

(01:16:50):
the number one pass Rusher actually decided to stay home
and go to u of A, which is one of
the most big time recruits I think that they've ever
pulled in. And then we just have you know, we
got some drama over Arizona desperately doesn't want to turn
into your home state of California.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
WHOA, whoa, whoa, What's what's what's wrong with us out
here in California?

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Man, you know exactly what's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I don't understand what's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Hey, high school football is the wild, wild, wild wild,
super wild West kids out here getting traded like n
f t s high school to high school. Arizona's real
afraid of that, so they don't grant like common sense transfers.
We had a super unfortunate situation where where a school

(01:17:36):
in Phoenix, proper South Phoenix, went out to a football camp,
had a player drown and uh and you know they're
not letting the players leave that team, which is you know,
they're just the stuff that they're willing to do to

(01:17:56):
try to hold on to the to the good old
days of Arizon high school football. It's a lot to
deal with, man, There's a lot. There's a lot going on,
but that it is talent rich and it keeps growing.
And with only two major college football programs in the state,
you know it's still going to be right for the
for the pickens, for every team in the former Pac twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Dude, I've thought about this on the talent. I've thought
about this. If my son were in a different state,
he might be ineligible right now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, yeah, because you were at at Sierra Canyon for
a couple of years and and or at Inglewood now
right public school Inglewood and in the interim, you know,
stopped and did a semester.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
And had a couple of coffee at Alamany.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, didn't didn't play any games or anything like that.
And I think that's something that should be taken into consideration,
especially at the NC Double A. George, what do you
think of what's going on with tes Walker Jake Smith,
the kid out at Florida State where the NC Double
A is backdating and denying some of these double transfers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Bro, this is bad. And you had this dude on
my Twitter trying to tell me, oh, they wouldn't have
been approved even if the rules didn't change, And I'm like, bro,
what are you talking about? Like when you look at
Jake what's that? Jake Smith from USC, He went to USC.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Played, never played, wasn't on the roster last year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yes, because they changed his scholarship status. So if the
school changes your scholarship status, that would have automatically made
you immediately eligible. Should be yeah. And then there's Tesz Walker,
who was at a school coming out of high school.
He COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Twenty twenty and twenty twenty one spring season both got canceled.
So he never played at NC.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Central Yes, because of COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
So then he transfers and then tries to transfer again
and they're like no, you're like, bro, I literally could
not play at the first place I was at. Could
not for no fault to myle.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
They're counting NC Central not having football, as you know,
him going to Kent State as a athletically motivated transfer,
and like, yeah, why do you think he's he's trying
to play college football if you don't have college football.
Same goes for Jake Smith. If you don't have college
football available to you, going to somewhere that has college

(01:20:22):
football shouldn't count as.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
A transfer, Thank you, thank you. Even if it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Were on an athletic scholarship, it should not count as
a transfer. There was not football available to you, so
you went somewhere where football is especially if you get cut, because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Yes, yes, allow for you to get cut and then
but then they count you as a transfer, but then
they count that as a transfer.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I got cut.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I have nowhere else to go, Like you allowed a
cop because we got a new coach to cut players
as many as well?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
How I mean, can I do up to ten fifty hour?
How many is it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I think? I think I don't know if the limit exists,
but I think it's you know, they can come in
and basically be like, you know, you don't fit with
our culture, or like that sprained ankle looks we're gonna
heal yea cyon r chip Kelly. Chip Kelly came in
with the axe like I Jack's way case or Sean
Seawards bounced him. Yeah, guys, I knew on the O

(01:21:20):
lion and then they then they struggled with O line
depth for a couple of years, which is pretty comical,
but like it. You know, Herm Edwards came in to
asu Herm Edwards cut a dude. This is wild. Herm
Edwards came in and it wasn't just Herm Edwards. It
was the whole staff that was out there cutting guys.
But Herm Edwards came in and cut a dude that
had been committed to Arizona State since he was fourteen
years old. He committed to ASU in eighth grade, George,

(01:21:45):
because his dad was college teammates with Todd Graham. He
stayed committed to ASU all through high school, enrolled at ASU,
went through spring football, had like an interception in the
in the spring showcase, Herm Edwards come in cuts him
and then he has to make the decision. Am I
got to stay in school on my athletic scholarship at

(01:22:07):
a place where I really wanted to be in school
and I've wanted to be since I was fourteen, or
do I go elsewhere and play. That player's name is
Lauren Mondy. He ended up staying and getting his degree
from Arizona State, but in multiple times approached the coaching
staff and asked if he could come back and they
said no, like college football could be a dirty business
and NCAA needs to realize if you were good enough

(01:22:27):
to be on athletic scholarship somewhere, but a coach comes in,
they want to shape the roster their way. That shouldn't
be a trance. It's not what were you going to
do otherwise? Again, I want to reiterate, Jake Smith was
not on the roster at USC last year. Yes, not
on the roster. Missed all of twenty twenty one due
to injury. When Clay Heilton was still the coach. Lincoln

(01:22:48):
Riley comes in tells Jake Smith you're not gonna play here,
takes him off the roster completely. If Jake Smith wants
to play football, it's got to be at Arizona State.
And so now they're gonna make him sit for a
third year in a row. Oh, former National Gatorade Player
of the Year at wide receiver. They're gonna make him
sit for a third year old? Why, what's a point?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
He's just gonna well, this is the nc double A saying, well, Arizona, Kansas,
LSU thumb their nose up at us. We have no power,
so you know what, we are going to flex our
power against the people that we do have power over.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Gosh, how crazy would that be if it was like, oh,
you know, the NCUBA never got around to punishing North
Carolina for for their wild ass basketball classes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, well, no, no, no, they said that they couldn't punish them,
that they didn't have basically the jurisdiction, the jurisdiction to
be able to punish them for sham classes. So when
when the exchange of the scholarship is supposed to be
for Yeah, what if?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
What if tes Walker is the player to be named
later in the North Carolina punishment? Because that's what it
feels like, you got, you know, I see plenty of
people say, well, if you're going to Alabama, he'd be fine.
Probably not. Anca is doing this to a lot of
kids right now, and I don't think it's right. Yeah,
now you gonna talk about the Wildcats now, and you

(01:24:19):
can't make fun of me because they don't have Khalil
Tate on the team. He hasn't been there for years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
All right. So Arizona does have this Arizona team. They
are headed in the right direction, buddy. Now, if they
can finish this, uh, this recruiting class off themm Williams
committed at quarterback Elijah Rushing for their first five star
in the history of the team, Like that would be incredible,

(01:24:52):
That would be incredible for them to finish off this
recruiting class strong because those two kids going there now
makes them a threat for all sorts of kids, for
the top kids coming out of Arizona. And right now
they are the hottest program in the state of Arizona
in terms of the buzz, at least out here in California.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
That you're right, yeah, right, especially in California because ASU's
mostly been recruiting Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yep. And so you have Arizona who last year was
flirting with a bowl game even though we knew they
weren't going to make a bowl game and Jedfish was
his third year there now and yeah, and things are going.

(01:25:40):
I mean, they were at the bottom of the pack.
They couldn't have been. They were like San Diego State
BYU and Boise State were above them. They got in
herm Edwards. Yes, and now they look our right t

(01:26:01):
mac at wide out Jaden Delora coming back like he's
it's weird because the way I look at him is
that he's a program changing quarterback, like in terms of
but he's also not the greatest quarterback that's gonna come
through there if they continue this up, If that makes

(01:26:23):
sense that like like like for instance, Oregon would look
at Joey Harrington as an initial program changing quarterback, and
then you ended up like Dennis Dixon was almost that
and if his acl holds up against Arizona, he was
gonna win the Heisman and they were gonna win the
national championship. Then you had Marcus Mariota come So, but

(01:26:46):
the original was Joey, right, So Joey was the guy
for a very very long time. I mean, Joey still
you know, held him very high hist theme in Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
You don't give that credit to Achille or how how
far before Joey was Achille just.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Just to uh, they were on the roster at the
same time. Achille just started in ninety eight, okay, and
then in ninety nine Joey didn't win the job. It
was oh my Aj Peeley, and then AJ got hurt
in the beginning of the year and then that's when
Joey started starting after that and he never relinquished a position.

(01:27:25):
So it was so for so for Arizona, Jayden is
that Jayden could be that Joey Harrington, that that there
should be a Marcus Marriota coming after, not necessarily immediately,
because you know it was like ten years after, but
you can get one on the on the way because of.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
The what if Fafita is that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Though, Dude, Noah Fafida, who's their backup right now? If
he were even six feet tall, he would have been
a five star, but he's five nine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Yeah, I do, I do. Here's the deal with Jaden
and de Laura, and we're gonna get into some hairy
territory right now. So send all your comments to I'm
mad at on a freight show dot com or at
tag George Reister because I feel the way I feel.
H Jade Laura, we've talked about on this podcast for
a while now, struggled at Washington State. Yep, not as

(01:28:22):
a quarterback. Now as a quarterback, he's off the quarterback
off the field. Yeah, Arizona was supposed to be that
that that new start for him. He ends up you know. Uh,
he turned the ball over a few times, but he
had a pretty decent year. Gets into a Dorian Singer
on the sideline. Then Dorian Singer leaves to USC. Some

(01:28:44):
people might connect the dots there, some people might not
just say that that's football. But this offseason news comes
out that in high school he him and a teammate
were accused of sexually assaulting a girl in a parking garage.
Because that went to juvenile court. Supposedly, they admit responsibility,

(01:29:05):
they apologize, but admitting responsibility and having your record sealed
in juvenile court does not does not constitute a guilty plea.
You know, people are saying, you know that this settlement
was made and Jetfish is having an answer for it
and Jane Dolores having to talk about it at packed
to a media day and they say, you know, they

(01:29:27):
he didn't admit guilt. That's what he wants to have
out there, and you know, it's a it's a situation
that he has to be private about because you know,
legally he's not allowed to speak on it. And they're
moving on from it. We know that he had issues
at Washington State. I believe his DUI case got thrown out.

(01:29:49):
But I will say this, at best, Arizona is dealing
with a quarterback who in his youth like to get
naked with a male friend of his and have sex
in a parking garage att at best and and potentially
is working on building his character over time from there. Right,

(01:30:09):
So that's that's the best case. The worst case scenario,
you have somebody that actually committed a sexual assault. We're
not gonna know. Jedfish having to deal with this, the
University of Arizona players and staff having to deal with
where they sit on it. You know, it's been a
long offseason. I'm sure that they're excited to just get
on the field. I'm pretty uncomfortable with that. I've been
uncomfortable with it the entire time. I wonder if Arizona knew,

(01:30:31):
if they would have brought him in from Washington State.
That's a question that probably those coaches down at U
of A are only going to be able to answer
in private. See, I do wonder, and I completely understand
that there there are false accusations that that exist out there.
There's I understand all of the dynamics of all of
those things.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Okay, Okay, what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
I will What I will say is when you combine
that with some of the struggles at at at Washington State,
with some of the personality conflicts with teammates at Arizona,
it feels to me like the ice is thin, and
we're talking about Tucson, where there is no ice. So
you know, we talk about we talk about U of

(01:31:16):
a being on the verge of a special season. It
is all in the hands of a young man who
is saying that he's out here, you know, getting his
life in order and everything like that. And I want
that for him and I want it to be true.
But I personally feel like he might have put the
coaches in a little bit of precarious situation. I don't
think everybody at U of A knew everything when when

(01:31:36):
they brought him in. And I do wonder like, if
he goes out there and he struggles early and he's
turning the ball over early, if that doesn't in some
way factor into the motivation to make a change, to
open up that next chapter for a guy like Noah
fa Fida, I don't wantee that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Jaden Jayden de Laura is j R. Smith in terms
of he will shoot you in a basketball game, and
he'll shoot you right out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
And so he's got to get the turnovers cleaned up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Because Arizona's defense, even though that they should be much
improved this year, even though they lost hyphen Man to USC,
it's still a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
It's still a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
So the offense can't be putting the defense in bad spots.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Because this defense is it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Going to be nowhere near one of the better defenses
in the Pac twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
No, and Jed Fish is out here talking about the
O line being the strength of the team. I haven't
heard anybody say that about Arizona in ever. Yeah, so
it's going to be we're talking about forty to thirty,
fifty to forty games. If they want to be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Exactly, they are going to have to win some shootouts
and it means no turn no excessive turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
So so with with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Their schedule Ralph Northern Arizona at Mississippi State UTEP, will
they at what will their record be after three games?
I'm gonna go two and one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
It has to be right, it has to be like
this is it's weird that that that is very very
clear that Jedfish has done extremely positive things, extremely positive
things in Tucson, But none of it matters unless they win.

(01:33:40):
And you know, I don't think Jeed Fish is going anywhere.
I don't think he has his eyes on any other program.
Maybe if they have a ten win season or something
like that, maybe he would make the leap, but man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
I think I think he's in it, and I think
that they have built in a way that is uh
healthy And it is not his fault that they've lost
the players they've lost. If USC is gonna come shopping
in Tucson, you know they're gonna be victimized by that
year after year, even after we split conferences. That's just

(01:34:11):
gonna be the way that it is, and that is unfortunate.
That's why it was so important for them to get
the commitment from Elijah Rushing. But they started off last
year two and one. Mississippi State blew.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Them out, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Blew them out right. They beat North Dakota State, which
I guaranteed would not happen. Two and one is a musk.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Yes, you did. You definitely did guarantee.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
I was like, Bro, there's no way that you can
be picking North Dakota State over Arizona. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I don't know, I don't know. We were talking about
probably the worst team in all of Power five against
the FCS Bama and it was a close game in
North Kota State.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Yeah, but it proved, it proved, it proved Georgia you
put him in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
They are still losing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Yeah, But here's the thing I worry about I do
think two and one, but it's what they do after
that that's going to matter. Because they started out two
and one last year, and then they gave up forty
nine to col they gave up forty nine to Oregon,
they gave up forty nine to Washington, they gave up
forty five to usc they gave up forty five to Utah.
That middle of the season was brutal. Had they not

(01:35:19):
beat UCLA, we might be talking about jetfish on the
hot seat.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Damn no, No, they couldn't put them on the hot
seat that fast.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
That would be That would be outrageous.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
That would have meant. Here's what that would have meant.
That would have meant six straight losses leading into the
Arizona State game. Six straight losses giving up an average
of like forty two points a game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
What do you expect to happen with this team?

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
They have to they they first of all, they got
like they got to take care of the ball the
one time. There was two times in the season where
they took care of the ball. Two times against North
Dakota State, they actually won the turnover battle, which I
never would have predicted, and it took them plus four
plus four in the turnover battle to beat Arizona State

(01:36:09):
by three plus four to three. This defense was putrid
and it got rated for its best parts. So I
would I would say that, like if you finished the
whole season given up well over forty points a game,
especially given up fifty to Cal George. I don't think

(01:36:30):
Cal could give up fifty to Cal in the seven.
I don't. So you know, I just had they not
beat UCLA, I genuinely believe this. Had they not beat Ucla,
Jedfish would be in hot, hot hot water right now.
The wins over UCLA and Arizona State and closing out

(01:36:51):
the season strong, even being respectable against Washington means that
people have a renewed excitement this year. But if they
start two and one, great, But you know what happens
after that is anybody's guests. And this game against Mississippi
State's got kind of a different level to it because
now it's it's happening without Mike Leach. Former PAC twelve

(01:37:13):
Washington State head coach Mike Leach passed away in the
off seasons. Maybe gonna be some different looks there. I
doubt they keep everything the same. The air raid, the
pirate ship all that. Maybe it's possible they start three
and zero. I mean, I think they have to go
into it with that mindset. But to me, it's everything
that happens afterward in the conference. If they can't be
competitive in the Pac twelve, they're not gonna be competitive

(01:37:33):
in the Big twelve. Maybe they want to turn around reset,
they're gonna have more resources.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
No, there's no way that they reset.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Hey, But but they did get some other big transfers.
They got Justin Flow from Oregon. They got Daniel Himouli
from Washington, and Orrin pat Patou from cal And they
got his brother who who just committed to Arizona as well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
I would like to I know ASU fans hate when
I say this every single time. I would rather because
it's chock full of Arizona kids who I watched, you know,
at the high school level. I don't mind when Arizona
is successful. I'd like to see them be competitive. I'd
like to see some of that desert swarm pride restored,
especially on the defensive end. Okay, that's what I want

(01:38:27):
to see. And I just last year was very very
dejecting watching them give you know, an average of seven
touchdowns a game up to conference opponents.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Yes, that I can understand the frustration there. Now with
their conference schedule at Stanford, Washington, at USC, at Washington State,
they avoid Oregon, they get Oregon State, UCLA at Colorado, Utah,
and Arizona at Arizona State. So I would say they

(01:39:02):
will lose to Utah, Oregon State, USC, Washington. Yeah, so
in Mississippi State probably, So I'm gonna go seven and
five with a toss up at Arizona. So I'm gonna
go six and six, seven and five.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
When you see that September twenty third game at Stanford,
do you think that's a truth telling game?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yes? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we are
gonna find out what these does are made of at
that point point in time, because you cannot in any way, shape,
form or fashion lose to this Stanford team and think
that everything's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Okay, especially when your next three games are Washington at home,
at USC at Washington State. You can't go into the
bio in foreign conference.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Yes, yep, exactly. That would be a bad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
You don't think they will, No, no, no, no, that'd
be that'd be bad.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
What's your goal for them? A bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Yes, that a bowl is the only acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Outcome this year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Find me six wins.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Okay, Arizona, Northern Arizona, UTAP. That's two, Stanford three, Colorado four,
Arizona State five, who Washington State six?

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
You think the Jaden Delora Pullman homecoming is going to
go in? Jaden Delora's favorite I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
I think he usually gets a little too emotional in
those times, but I think that he's had enough of
them that maybe he won't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
You know, wet the bed again. How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
See we'll see who's up next.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
You're not buying it. That's cold, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
I'm not buying them as the you know, uh as
A as a top seven team in the conference. It's
going to go to a bowl. I think. I think
five and seven would be really good season. I think
a bowl is the goal. But that defense was so
bad last year. I don't know, one hundred and twenty
six in the country and scoring defense George one twenty six,

(01:41:27):
one twenty five in total defense, one twenty six in
yards per play, one twenty four in rushing defense.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Gave up a sound like a negative Nancy, negative Nancy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I'm just listing facts, man, just facts. The best that
they The best thing that they had last year was
their defense against the long bawl, which teams didn't need
to do because you could dice them any way you wanted.
But there weren't a lot of deep passes on this defense.
They were top eighty in the country at.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
That Well, we shall see how they do now on
next the team that Jade de Laura came from, the
Washington State Huskies who rouphed Huskies are, oh lord, the
Washington State Cougars. The Cougars. Now they proved you wrong

(01:42:22):
last year. Buddy, you had to eat your damn words.
Do you do you remember this?

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
I mean where you were like they are liars.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
They said they were going to run the ball, and
then after that they came back running the ball down
people's necks.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
That they did they did make that change, Yes, they were.
They really impressed me with their ability to run the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
It. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
I also thought and everybody thought, they were bringing in
an offense in which they were going to throw forty
five times a game and be high scoring. And through
two weeks they were two to zher with thirty one
total points or forty one total points scored. And they
did beat Wisconsin, though that was that was a feather
in the cap, right, Yes, Yes, ended up Wisconsin ended

(01:43:19):
up firing their coach because he can't be losing seventeen
to fourteen games against Washington State.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
I guess one hundred percent you cannot, under any circumstances
be losing games like that. But Jake Dicker first full
season as head coach, they had obviously a really good
They had a really good situation with the quarterback transfer.

(01:43:51):
But I don't think he's as good as everybody, you know,
as everybody projects. I think he's been okay. But this year, though,
you know, they are going to have some transfers. They
lost a kicker or a punter. Sou Nikiah Watson returns

(01:44:11):
at running back after he rushed for seven hundred and
sixty nine yards and nine touchdowns last year. And when
I look at this schedule, I'm sitting here like, Okay,
Cameron Ward obviously has to take a major step for
next year.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
What we don't like about him? What after a year
of watching him play? You know, he obviously that that
it didn't translate up a level that he was going
to throw for four thousand yards. But what do you
like about him.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Honestly, I didn't love a whole lot about him, if
we're being honest.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
Okay, I I thought I thought he was accurate, and
I thought he was very good at extending plays. Sometimes
I did wonder if his play extension wasn't inability to
find holes in the defense in a in a Pac
twelve it was full of reals.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Ye. See, he didn't throw enough on time for me,
Like he was pretty good at improvisional plays and if
he had ten seconds to throw the ball. But the
problem is you don't have that like that that those
aren't typical results.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Yeah, they had a really good run late in the season.
Though they had a really good run late in the season.
Then Washington just blew the doors off him. And then
their bold performance against Fresno State is probably the most
embarrassing thing I've seen in a really long time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Yes, dude, dude, them against Fresno see. But that's the
problem with this team, though, is that there's so much
inconsistency with Washington State.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah, consistency is gonna is gonna dissipate now that both
the decordinator left after one year and the offensive coordinator
left after one year left left Brian the de coordinator,
took a lateral move to Arizona State.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
So you're saying that you're not feeling it is what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
I'm not feeling Jake Dicker. No, which pause, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Yes, you are feeling Jake Dicker when you see him,
you're gonna fill him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
I don't know. I think you know, you find you
you you do find out when you're the man, you
find out what works. And he, you know, he has
to he has to shape things according to the You know,
Eric Morris got offered a head coaching job. He's gonna
take that head coaching job. But Brian Wore took a
lateral move. And you know they're both defensive coordinators. Somebody's
too many cooks in the kitchen. But now they're new OC.

(01:47:00):
He's twenty seven years old. Okay, It just you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Okay, So now so now the question is is so
now the question is with their schedule, their non conference
schedule at Colorado State win or loss, it better be
j Novel, Jae.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
I don't think Jane Norvel might have wanted to shout
at this Washington State job, so probably personal for him
I think it's a win though. Okay, Wisconsin, that's gonna
be a huge l That's gonna be a revenge game
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
North Carolina, I'm North Carolina, really Northern Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
A huge, huge win.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
They're not good. Okay, So now now you get to
the conference play Oregon State, win or loss, because you
because we keep projecting Oregon State to win games that
they're they can't win them all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Yeah, I mean I think I would say I would
say a loss.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
I want to make a Pac twelve prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
That this will be the first time, the first time
since conference expansion, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
That we get a team make it through undefeated.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
In the last season of the Back twelve, that this
is the year that we finally get somebody making it
through unscathed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
I think they might sneak and win at UCLA.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Oh bro, that is you're selling you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Oh man, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
After a bui. It's just it's after a bye get
two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that's the sort of game that
U s LA loses.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
You are one hundred percent right. So I'm going to
go two and one after the non conference and then
I can see them potentially beating Arizona maybe back the
same thing I said with Arizona. That's a fifty to
fifty game, fifty to fifty game at Arizona State, fifty
to fifty game at Stanford, fifty to fifty game at
cow fifty to fifty game at Colorado, lost against Washington.

(01:49:23):
So that's so if I give them half of their
fifty to fifty games, that gets them to five wins
or five and a half wins.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Okay, Yeah, that's that's kind of where I see them
on the verge of on the verge of being a
bull team. But what you know, what would be crazy,
what would be absolutely crazy, is if they bring that
Western Kentucky offense in and we see cam Ward figure
it out. You know, that's the wild card is you know,

(01:49:54):
I think that cam Ward was respectable. I think thirty
two hundred yards twenty three touchdowns is respectable. Does that
in the top ten for like quarterback production at Washington
State in the last ten years. No, it's probably the worst.
Like you know, Washington State was thrown out guys that
were never going to play in the NFL in a
million years, and they were throwing for fifty touchdowns in
a season. You know, I also think he's going to

(01:50:18):
get NFL looks. He looks to me like an NFL quarterback.
He really does, really, I think, so I do I
do an NFL starter? I don't know, but he Yeah.
I think he has the size. I think he has
the arm. I think he has the accuracy. I like
that he extends plays what he's going to run into.
Is was his issue last year in inability to make

(01:50:39):
quick decisions. I think you painted it perfectly. Yeah, and
he's switching. I think for the first time he's he's
switching offensive coordinators because he came over with Eric Morris
to Washington State. But yeah, I don't know. I think,
I think, I don't know's they led Western Kentucky led

(01:51:07):
the country last year in twenty plus yard passes. Yes,
so maybe that maybe that switch to a vertical offense
is gonna is going to show that Campbell can actually
do yes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Now, now, I do think that that will be the gotcha, gotcha,
that that will be the telltale moment is like, Okay,
let's let's see where this dude is at in terms
of a passer. Now on to cal our ninth team
in the Pac twelve that we that we have gone over.
Justin Wilcox has been there for this is his seventh

(01:51:39):
season and their average offensive rank of the sixty nine
Power five schools offensively is sixty eight sixty eight Ralph
And people had the nerve to get mad at me
when he was up for the organ job and me

(01:52:01):
saying he can't bring his offensive coordinator and he needs
some recruiting, and then you have to if you're gonna
give him the job, you have to force recruiting people
on him on the staff. And what is that crazy? No?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
I mean, I Justin Wilcox has done an okay job
at CAL. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
He has been faced with tough circumstances with COVID and
the restrictions and and all of that stuff, and the
alleged admissions issues. But you could have got over the
admissions issues though.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
But it's it's got to be real tough if you're
a Cal fan and you watch them lose six in
a row in the middle of last year while Sonny
Dike's rattled.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Off, when yeah, but that's Sunny Dyke's figure in something
else out though like that At Cal, he was all
offense zero. I mean, his defense would have ranked sixty
nine out of sixty nine. And yeah, but at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Take advantage of the fact that, like people wanted to
transfer in to play for TCU, who is col bringing
in when they're turning this roster over. They didn't get
very many players to come in. In fact, they lost
quite a bit. People I thought were gonna start their
quarterback who I thought was going to be the starter
this year transferred to.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
An FCS school. Yes, horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
They lost their best o lineman to Arizona State and
Ben Coleman. They lost Spencer Level to Kansas. They lost
Jackson Brown to Pittsburgh. Everybody bounced on on the you know,
so I don't know, I don't know Jack Plumber left,
so they had two quarterbacks bounce Yeah, bro, So it's

(01:53:49):
really gonna be can Sam Jackson from TCU and Jake's Spavatal.
I think I genuinely believe Jake's spavital is the key
to whether whether your boy gets fired this year or not,
because he is turning his offense over to somebody who
was here under Sunny Dyke's and moved the ball like crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Hey, that might be the answer. That might be the answer, Buddy, is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
There anybody on this offense that you're like, like any
individual player on this offense where you're like, yeah, that's
that guy's going to be a dude this year.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
A dude over at Cal offensively.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Jeremiah Hunter had nine hundred and sixty five yards receiving.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
I'm looking at it and I'm just like, bro, I
just don't see anybody. I mean, I don't even know
aside from Jeremiah Hunter. Oh, Jaye not that's your best
case scenario that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Huh who's blocking for him?

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Listen? If he can go for twelve fifteen hundred yards,
he's bury sand.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
They got Auburn, dude, and Auburn is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Trending in the right direction. So so let's yeah, so let's
start there, right. Is that Cal their schedule is not
friendly at all with Northern Well, I guess Northern Texas.
That Auburn game is going to be obviously tough, but

(01:55:34):
it is in but it is at Cal, so so
they will have the home field advantage and the and
the Ruckus crowd out there in Berkeley, So you know,
so I don't know if Auburn will be able to
hear the snap counts or not against Cal. And then
you got Idaho, so they should go two and one

(01:55:57):
in the non conference. Then they got at Washington State.
So at Washington at Washington, why why am I? Why
can't I read right now? At Washington loss, Arizona State
win or loss?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
They get him at home in the Bay. I kinda
I kind of like this Cal always like Cal defense though,
and they're bringing everybody back, and then I think, is
Brett Johnson finally back?

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Yes, I'm after being an injury, after missing all last year.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
I think this defense might put a few people in hell.
I would say that, I'd say that's a tassa. I
want to be I want to be optimistic, but I
would say that I would I would say that if
I'm an odds maker, I'd give Cal maybe a two
to three point margin on the spread.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Okay, So then that puts him at three in one.
How about Oregon State.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
At home? Yep, maybe they win.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Let's give thee wow four and one okay?

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
At Utah no USC No, So that puts them at
four and three at Oregon, no, four and four Okay.
So then now things are getting Washington stayed at home.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Give them a give them a half, give them four
and a half. Okay, get six wins out of this.
They might get six of them. The Arizona State game
is going to be very important.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Yes, and so the Washington State and Stanford game, Yeah, yep, okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
They got to be able to move the ball. They
get so you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Did, so you I'm gonna go six and six. They
could squeak out a seven and five, but they they're
they're gonna be somewhere between five and seven and seven
and five. No better, no worse.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
I think they'll They'll probably keep a couple of games close. Man,
they only scored nine on Washington State last year, No
wonder they had to make a change. They remember they
lost to Colorado. Yeah, like, how how crazy is it
that Colorado?

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
We need to thirteen? You could only imagine it's thirteen
points against that Colorado defense.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
It makes me laugh that cal fans are like looking
at their schedule being like, oh, thank god, we don't
have Colorado this year. It's really gonna come down to Jacksonville.
The defense is going to be functional. Justin Wilcox always
he's not He's not a bad coach. He absolutely knows
how to put you in positions to be competitive. It's

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really going to come down to whether or not they
can move the football. Do they have the talent to
do it? Because they lost a bunch. They were a
net loss by far in the transfer portal maybe one
yet worst in the entire PAT twelve. They've had their
worst recruiting season in well over a decade. They were
terrible getting high schoolers last year. Terrible. Yep, that by

(01:58:49):
far the worst of Justin Wilcox's career. He's had a
couple of top forty classes and then he fell off
in twenty twenty two. And you can say like, oh, well,
maybe that's you know, transfer portal, they're just getting a
bunch of transfers. They're not. And then you know they
have a bottom third recruiting class last year.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
One of the worst in the package, well top top
eighty five.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
So everybody's got to stay healthy. The offense has to
make a huge upswing, and the returning starters on defense
have to hold it down. Jackson, Sermon, Brett Johnson, all
those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
Now on to the Sun Devils.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
They have a brand new head coach, Herm Edwards out.
We still haven't found out what the NCAA penalties are
gonna be I think there should be none at this
point because I mean, because the reality is their biggest
penalty is to keep the people in charge that are
in charge. Ray Anderson's staying in charge is the biggest penalty,

(01:59:52):
Michael Crow saying, in charge, biggest penalty that you can have, Buddy.
So so I don't want the players who are there
now who didn't participate in the coaches that didn't participate
than aren't there punished for what other people did. This
is probably the biggest wild card in the PAC twelve

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because Kenny Dillingham is thirteen years old. He's the goodness,
nice guy, but he still got similar behind his coaching years,
and sometimes that provides for a great experience and it
can work out really, really really well for you, sometimes

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not so much. So I'm gonna go with Arizona State well,
and then they have who's gonna be their quarterback? Trenton
Borgae or is it gonna be.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Jayden, Jane Rashata or Dreams Pine? But Drew Pine's a
little banged up right now.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Who would do? Who do you think is gonna win
the quarterback battle?

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
In my personal opinion, I think they roll with Trent Borgay.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Okay, all right, so now when you look at this,
well I'll ask you about Kenny Dillingham. First, Is this
a learning season?

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
Is this feast? Is this famine? What do you think happens?

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
He is not interested in the ramp up or the curve.
He's trying to do it all. Right, Now, they turned
over pretty much the whole roster. They brought in something
like upwards of forty people transferring.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
They did exactly what Colorado did, but not with the
the fan.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
But yeah, but it wasn't It wasn't like Kenny Dillingham
came in and he's like, I'm gonna kick a bunch
of people out. He came in and there was a
bunch of people that was like, man, I don't want
even be here anymore. H here's a misery. Right, he
had been transferring. Now we lost Jayden Daniels, we lost
Eric Gentry, we lost all these really good players that
we should have had no.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
Business and they had a bunch more empty seats than
Colorado had.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
Yes, he came in in all the seats.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
We're only at.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Like sixty seven scholarships anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Yeah, so you already needed two of what's that eighteen? Yeah,
you already needed eighteen scholarship players to come in, and
then you kick a couple couple out, and now all
of a sudden, your roster looks like Dion's.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Yeah. Yeah, and then I mean they, you know, they
they got to Carlos Brooks to transfer in it running
back from cal They got Cameron Scattabo from I believe
Sacramento State, one of the leading big Sky rushers. They
got Jordan Tyson from Colorado. The receiver ps like, what
was Colorado doing getting rid of Jordan Tyson and Montana

(02:02:41):
amonious credit? I thought those are Deon could have used
for his son for his son, but no, But yeah,
so Jordan Tyson, who I you know, I really like,
transferred in. They managed to keep Elijah Badger from leaving
the program. They managed to keep Jalen Conyers from leaving
the program. Offensive line is a huge question mark. Defensive
lines and even bigger question mark. Secondary looks awesome. Receivers

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look awesome, tight ends look awesome, Quarterbacks look solid, running
backs look solid. It's going to be a very strange
year because they they have what it takes at almost
every position group except for the hogs on both sides
of the ball, and what can you what can you
even do? What can you even do when your when
your team's strength is an O line D line? Right? So,

(02:03:27):
how do you feel about Kenny this? This is my
biggest question mark. Most coaches come in and they're an
offensive defensive specialist, right yep. Or you're Herm Edwards and
you're supposed to be just the personality. But most coaches
come in they're an offensive or defensive specialist and they
maintain dominance over that one side because that's what got
them there. He hired Bo Baldwin from cal Poly, who

(02:03:53):
used to be the oct at cal didn't work out, Yeah,
and he gave the offense away immediately.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
You think that's smart, Yes, yes, wow, trying to be
a young head coach, trying to be a young head
coach and coordinate too too much, too much? So he
so he So what you do is, in that case,
you bring in somebody that aligns with you philosophically. And

(02:04:22):
if you can bring in somebody who agrees with you philosophically,
then you're going to have input on what they do.
But you, guys, are already aligned on how you want
to play football. Yeah, and I think that that is
that that that doesn't mean that he's not going to
be involved in the offense. That just means that he's saying, no, no, no, no,

(02:04:43):
you take this job of coordinating. I gotta figure out
this head coach thing, and then when it comes time
to play ball, we'll collaborate. But it's your deal. Yeah. Now,
this schedule, Now, this schedule, first three games, Southern Utah
win or lose.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Win, Southern Utah is terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Even for Oklahoma State.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
They I think it's a toss up only because Spencer
Sanders left Oklahoma State.

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
Why did he?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Quarterback? I don't know is even starting?

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
No, w Jackson Darts starting.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
Fresno State.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
The last time I saw Fresno State, they were they
had beating up on Washington State in state in absolute hell.
And the fact that Brian Ward, the decordinator, is like, oh,
here we go, Like he's so, I don't know, we'll
see Jake Hater's gone, right, But.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
They have some young kids they like, yeah, that's the
third game, so they'll know who's their starter and be
probably in a groove by then.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
I'll say toss up.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
Toss up too. So are you going to give him
two and one or one and one or I'll be friendly.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
I'll be friendly and say two and one.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
But USC past two and two?

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
At Cal?

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Yeah, at Cal is the tough one. I think I'm
gonna give him a loss.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Okay, two and three at Cal, I'm sorry, Home for Colorado.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Sorry, Ralphie.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
It's three and three at.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Washington the revenge game. They're gonna lose.

Speaker 3 (02:06:26):
Three and four Washington State.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
They'll win that one.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Four and four at Utah, No, it's so funy. Everybody
laughs when you're talking. No, no, especially late in the year.
At UCLA, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Yeah, I'll give it to him.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
Five and five Oregon, No, Arizona.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
I think they win.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
Six and six.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
I think they're six win team. Yeah, okay, man now
the president of State game so important.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Everything in your prediction hinges on the Fresno State game,
a bowl game, hinges on the Fresno State game.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
Do you know why though? Look a look at their schedule.
What do you notice? What do you notice? That's eight
home games?

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Eight Yeah, that's a lot of home games. That does
make it significantly easier and ticket revenue going to be
through the roof.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
I hope, so, I hope. So there's still people who
are mad, there's still people who are real mad. And
then four of those games come before October, which means
you gotta be sitting out there in one hundred and
five degreeenes. I hope people show up. I hope people
show up. I think it's going to be more fun
than it has been because even when herm was winning,
you were talking about ten to seven games and that
was tough.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
Yeah, fans get excited for points.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
Now. The eleventh team in the PAC twelve Colorado. Okay,
there's been no horrendous team that has ever been talked
about more than Colorado. True.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
True, they sold out their spring game, they got there,
they got their scrimmage put on ESPN. Yeah, this is
the this is left for the media. Darling of the conference.
Let me explain to you Colorado.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
How bad Colorado has been from eighty five to two
thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (02:08:23):
That's twenty years, twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
Excuse me. They had three losing seasons in twenty one years,
and from and from two thousand and six to twenty
twenty two, seventeen years, they had fifteen losing records fifteen
and seven years. Bro, that is no bueno. That is

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no bueno at all. And Dion come comes in, brings
all this luggage, all of this stuff. I would say say,
for everybody in the country's sake, they better not let
Dion mess around and find.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
A way to win six games this year. If he
finds a.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
Way to win six games, this this is going to
go insane. This is going to win six games.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
If Dion wins six games and Florida State wins eleven,
they still might fire Mark Norvell to bring Dion in.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
Like that's how that's how unlikely it is for Colorado
to to have that level of a come up. You
know what this team reminds me of. You got these
teams out in California where nine guys on defense have offers, right, yeah,
and then they give up forty points. But then you
go back and look at the huddle and every single
one of those kids with ten offers has like three

(02:09:48):
highlight plays, like big time highlight plays.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
I think that's how that defense, this defense is going
to be this year.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
Oh to where they're a collection of like everybody shine
at a second, they just don't all do their job
at the exact same time. YEP.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
That makes their starting corners might be Travis Hunter and
Cormani McLain. Those are the two best corner prospects in
the country coming out of high school.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
They've got three linebackers that were all like four and
five stars that transferred in one from Clemson, one from Bama,
one from Florida State. Uh, do this defense. I'm going
to be watching. I'm gonna be watching every single snap
of this defense. Whether they you know, they can only
get better. They were the worst defense in the country
regardless of Power five Group of five last year YEP.

(02:10:35):
Worst in scoring defense, worst in points per play, second
to worst in total defense, second to worse than yours
per play, worst in third down conversion percentage fifty three percent.
Jesus defense. Yeah, I mean they were. They were one
hundred George. They were one hundred and thirteenth and passing
defense and teams weren't passing on them. Yes, because then.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
It need to bro This team is ranked in explosive plays,
completion percentage, quarterback ranking, yards per play, total defense. The
best that they are in any of those categories is
one hundred and twelve the best, and most of them
are one hundred and twenty something or worse.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
And that one hundred and twelve is explosive pass, which
is the thing your opposition doesn't want to do when
they're up forty. Yes, yes, so bad.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
Yes, how col loss to them is embarrassing. Now this schedule,
they're going.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
To give up like thirty points a game this year.
But I think they're so much fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (02:11:41):
Okay, so now this schedule, Colorado game at TCU loss,
I don't know, dude, it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
Is so it Oh my gods, because TCU they lost
so much, they lost so much, and last year was
one of those special seasons. Colorado might win this game.

Speaker 1 (02:12:06):
It's food.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
I was like that. I was for so long. I
was like, yo, they'll be lucky to win four games
this year. But now I'm looking at this schedule and
I'm like, I don't know how good TCU is.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
And my issue is that it's the first game of
the season, and regardless of the turnover that TCU has had,
they had those extra games, extra practices last year, this
is gonna be like Colorado's gonna be jumping onto a treadmill.
That's already set on eight.

Speaker 2 (02:12:32):
Oh yeah yeah, And and d is gonna have to
get his footing. He's gonna have to get I think
it's gonna take him a little bit too adjust to
FBS ball after FCS ball. Like there, there's there's a difference.
Some stuff works, some stuff don't work. Colorado, Uh, Nebraska,
Oh she was supposed to be back delictus legend?

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
How many red? Uh? First of all, people are selling
tickets because of Don But Nebraska fans will mortgage their shack,
they will more the willage their shack to get a
seat in fulsome So that game is gonna be so fun.

Speaker 2 (02:13:11):
All right, So who do you have in that game?

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
I like Nebraska, Dude, he might win one of these.

Speaker 2 (02:13:20):
I mean he might. And then the next game is
against Colorado State? Who do you? Who do you have?

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
They'll get it. It'll drive jan Norville nuts. But but
Colorado's gonna win. Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:13:28):
What if? What if they mess around and go three
and oh to start the.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
Season, then everyone's gonna be trying to get pack twelve network.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
All right, next game at Oreon that's a loss. Yeah,
that's a pounding usc.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
I'm gonna be goofy here and say that that's USC's
one loss all year.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
If you don't stop, if you don't stop, stop joking
with us.

Speaker 2 (02:13:54):
No, seriously, it would be fun.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
It would be fun, But that really wouldn't be that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
That's a loss. That's a loss.

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
The only way that would be fun is if they
started out three and three and oh and then we're
four and one. That would be the only way that
would be fun. At Arizona State.

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
They will be in hell.

Speaker 3 (02:14:13):
Do you starting to buy into the don bro.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not.
I think they will be one by I think by
the time they get to the Stanford game. I believe
they'll be one in five.

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
Oh god, oh dude.

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
They're not winning in Sun Devil on October seventh. Okay,
nobody is winning because you have to be there in
that heat on October seventh day game, they'll win.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
All right, So that gives them two wins in your book. Yeah,
then they have a bye at u c l A.

Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
No, but that's stuff that's tough for UCLA that they
have multiple teams coming out of.

Speaker 2 (02:14:51):
Buys Oregon State loss, Arizona loss, why Hington State loss?

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
Utah Come on, man, they're too in ten.

Speaker 3 (02:15:08):
In no, no route really good in ten? You mean
two in ten?

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
Better than one and eleven Arizona like like like way
better than that team.

Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
Though, like the best to in ten team of all time,
to and ten, to and ten with thirteen fourteen future
NFL players on.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
Your roster, Bro, how does Dion recover from too intent?
He can, he can go five and five and seven
and that'll be a win.

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
He's gonna have a top fifteen recruiting class both transfer
and their problem.

Speaker 3 (02:15:44):
He will kick all of these kids to the curb again.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
That's funny. That would be so funny. And he'd reload anyway.
He's he's he's making steffinitlyne Bro, I'm telling you, I
think they go to and ten and next year I
think are like eight and four.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
Okay, all right, Stanford, Okay, when has Stanford ever been
talked about? Last in the PAC twelve?

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Oh man, David Shaw got out right in time, didn't he.
Yeah you might say he got out two years three
years too late, but.

Speaker 3 (02:16:18):
Nah, he got that he got that check.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Yeah, they were awful for a long time before Harbaugh
and Shaw. Yes, they didn't take care of the ball.
Last year that was uncharacteristic. The only game where I
felt like they weren't at least competitive, even if the
scoreboard ah. That run with UCLA Washington State Utah was

(02:16:45):
pretty bad and then losing to col.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
Yeah, Stanford is even with their new head coach Taylor right. Yeah.
I don't know what to make of them. Their their
roster is just consistently in flux. Their transfer portal situation
is not tenable. At least their non conference. They got

(02:17:15):
two winnable games in at Hawaiian Sack State.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Are you ready for air raid Stanford, because that's what
we're about to get.

Speaker 3 (02:17:24):
My brain doesn't understand.

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
I mean, for four years we've been talking about intellectual
brutality is broken, but it would be like stamp. I mean,
that's actually on par for Stanford to be like, well,
look we stunk, so let's do something completely new. Innovation baby.
But the most innovative thing they better do is get

(02:17:48):
a running defense, because they had the worst rushing defense
in all of the Power five.

Speaker 1 (02:17:56):
That is true. They also turned the ball over at
a rate that was unbelievable last year. Like to think
about the fact they probably should have beat USC in
Week two but they were minus four in turnovers. I mean, man,
they were doing.

Speaker 2 (02:18:14):
You can't win games minus four in the turnover battle.
You can try as you will, try as you might,
but but especially when your talent deficient, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
So with this schedule.

Speaker 1 (02:18:29):
At Hawaii Ralph, Okay, they're winning that game. I think.

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
Okay, one to no at usc.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
Uh, it's gonna be brutal.

Speaker 3 (02:18:41):
Man, Okay, sax State, they will win.

Speaker 1 (02:18:46):
Sax State is now being victimized by the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
Yeah, and their coach came from zax State. So two
and one Arizona, that's a loss. Two and two, Oregon
loss two and three at Colorado.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
I think that's a loss.

Speaker 2 (02:19:10):
I don't know, you get.

Speaker 3 (02:19:12):
You gave, Yeah, you gave that game to Stanford.

Speaker 1 (02:19:16):
Can both teams lose?

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (02:19:20):
So that's all right, So I'm trying to keep track.
Then Stanford will be Colorado.

Speaker 3 (02:19:25):
Yes, So that's three and three.

Speaker 2 (02:19:26):
U c l a loss, three and four, Washington loss
three and five at Washington State, loss three and six
at Oregon State.

Speaker 1 (02:19:46):
And they will lose.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
They're losing three and seven Cow loss and noted. Never mind.
Oh so.

Speaker 3 (02:20:03):
You got him at three and nine.

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
Yeah, with and the win over Colorado will probably put
Colorado last in the conference.

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
I guess so is that so? So? Where where would
they rank all time for three and nine teams? Is
this a good three and nine team? Or is this
just still a bad team?

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
No, it's a it'll be a bad It'll be a
bad team for sure. It will not be it will
not be good. I am curious to see. Uh, you
know what's going on with the with the quarterback battle.
They they still are running a three team con or
three three player contests. You're familiar with Ari Potu, right.

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
Yep, and his dad played together at Oregon saw pot.

Speaker 1 (02:20:51):
He's probably your most athletic option.

Speaker 3 (02:20:53):
Right, and his two brothers are at Arizona.

Speaker 2 (02:20:55):
Well, one brother's at Arizona, just transferred from cow then
his other brother just commit to tearris On.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
Yeah. Ashton Daniels is an interesting one for me because
he played out at Buford in Georgia and they don't throw. Ever,
that's where Dylan Royola is now, the you know, the
guy who everybody thinks is number one playing in the country.
They don't throw, and so him, you know, going into
an ariid concept is is gonna be really interesting to me.
I've heard nothing but good things about Ashton Daniels, but

(02:21:22):
if it was I went in thinking it was gonna
between Ari POTTSU and Justin Daniels. And what seems to
be coming out of Stanford Camp is that Justin Lampson
is going to win this job.

Speaker 3 (02:21:34):
Justin Lambson.

Speaker 1 (02:21:36):
Justin Lambson.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Okay, So is that good for them or bad for them?

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Uh? This is a high school all state safety who
is from El Dorado, who is playing quarterback. He's big,
he's a good athlete. He played Oakridge. I don't know
if you ever saw him, no, but he was out

(02:22:07):
at he was out at Syracuse. He his transfer was recent.
I'm gonna be honest, man, he is really the wild
card for me. Brandon Huffman, when he was coming out
of high school, said that he reminded him of Colson Yankov.
Didn't Colson Yankov switch positions?

Speaker 2 (02:22:28):
Yes he did. It's a tidy end.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
So we might have we might have, we might have
ourselves another what was the boy from from? We might
have ourselves another Jake Lockers situation. I would love it.
I would love it as far as college football goes,
if you can go out there, be a t Bow,
be a Jake Locker and just out athlete people and
be big and strong and fun. What the hell you know?

(02:22:53):
But that's what the news that's coming out of Stanford makes.
It really seem like a guy that we didn't think
was gonna be in the mix is gonna win this thing.
And that makes me wonder, you know, is already pot
You're gonna stick around? Is Ashton Daniel's gonna stick around?
Because I think both those guys will be in high demand.

Speaker 2 (02:23:09):
Yes, they definitely will be, and we will see how
Stanford finishes up.

Speaker 3 (02:23:15):
But we are what next week? Next week?

Speaker 2 (02:23:21):
We we got a preview show next week, Ralph, Yeah,
a preview show because we got football.

Speaker 3 (02:23:30):
On the twenty sixth.

Speaker 2 (02:23:31):
Wait wait, no that's not yet. That's nine days from now. Yes, yes, yes,
you guys though, we still got so much to go.
And thank you guys for joining us on the PAC
twelve apostles. I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson. Peace out,
cat you guys later

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