Pac-12 Apostles - Week 3 - Pac-12 Apostles- Pac-12 Football Conference Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the PAC twelve Apostles and only
the truth lives here Pack twelve Apostles.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amsden, and this is the
PAC twelve Apostles, the final season, not the final season
of this podcast, because we just got a morph it
into something else, because this is the final season of
the PAC twelve. So we will start though we're going
back and of course telling you to make sure that

(00:36):
you leave a five star rating wherever you listen to podcasts,
because we will read your reviews and were back at
it because we got one today, and of course shoot
us an email. I'm Matt i Ammad at Unafraid show
dot com or hit us up at at PAC twelve Apostles. Yeah,
and we will of course get back to you. So, Ralph,

(00:57):
we have a new review.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
We do we do we It's a beautiful one. Left
on September sixth, twenty twenty three. The title is bull
junk and the review.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
H huh if it's a bull junk, did Dion righte this?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's deon adjacent. The title of the review is bull
Junk and the review is one word crap, and not surprisingly,
this isn't one star review. So my initial thought was like, oh,
we got we got, we got a Don fan and
it's understandable, and this review would be on me, right,
this would be on me and and my prediction. I

(01:40):
thought they'd have a year two explosion. I thought year
one would be rough. I said that on here. I
stand by it. They've already equaled the total wins. I said,
I told you is gonna be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Buddy, Yeah, I mean you were, you were. You were
like doubling my win total four and six wins, and
now that they beat both Nebraska and TCU, I'm going
five to six seven. Max.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think this is my first time underestimating a team.
I think year two of our podcast, I'm pretty sure
I said UCLA was going over.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yes, and there was a point in the season where
you might have thought I was right. But so here's
the deal. This review was left by somebody with the
name Strattonius, and so I googled that username because I'm
me and this is what I do. And I found
out they are a serial one star review lever and

(02:37):
they're not a Dion fan. They are a tried and
true Colorado fan, so I got even credit for that.
They aren't just out here defending Dion's honor. God forbid,
we have enough people doing that. Deon can do it himself,
by the way. And so this is somebody who is
far back as twenty twenty was like leaving one star
reviews on the DNVR podcast saying that it was junk.

(02:57):
So this is somebody who is to be unhappy and
looking for reasons to spread that unhappiness. It is my
hope that they stick around as a listener, though.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, and just know that Ralph will find you. Ralph
will find you, all right, So you guys make sure
that you leave a review and share the podcast with
a friend more than anything else. So up next, though,
before we get to this week and what happened this

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week on the field, there was some off the field
news because the Pack two sued the PAC ten. They
want more control over the situation because apparently it tells
stop me if I'm wrong, Ralph that the Pack ten

(03:47):
that are leaving they want control over the money. That
way then they can help pay their transition costs to
their new conference. And the PAC two is like no, no, no,
that is our money.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Close close the pac eight, not including USC and UCLA
because they were stripped of voting rights for their desertion.
The eight teams that have decided to leave this year
decided that those rules don't apply to them, the ones
that they punished USC and UCLA with. Yes, they were

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the ones that wanted to help use some of the
some of the funds that are left over. And I'm
sure like first of all, to have to just have
an accounting of what's left over is what's in everybody's
best interest. But the idea that that people who are
leaving are going to get to use any of that
money is so funny. And the idea that, like, of
course an injunction in.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
A pagets, who's who's going to be left holding the
bag for Comcast? Is the question?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's true. That's true because there there is I mean,
what was the total there? Was it like third million
or something like that. The Comcast has to be paid back, yes,
that they overpaid the conferences and so.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That you thought it's like seventy million, Oh.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
My gosh, Well maybe that's the reason that the eight
teams didn't have any of their lawyers show up to this,
to this conference call. Maybe they're happy to be rid
of the burden for that. I don't know. It's gonna
be interesting to see how all this goes. But what
I what I will say is, and I would assume

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that you agree with this, is that if there are
two teams left, they should be in the driver's seat
of trying to figure out what happens. But good luck
to those two teams. If you're trying to recoup any
money from the eight teams that are that are on
the way out USC and UCLA, they just you know,
they're auditing this class. If they show up to any meetings,
they don't really have a say in what goes on anyway.

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But for the rest of the schools, for your your Arizona,
Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and all them, right, yeah, exactly.
I don't know. I did, I did uh get a
crack out of I cracked up from the meeting the
way it ended, people saying go Koog's and go Beef's
at the end of the at the end of the

(06:13):
zoom meeting, you had to figure that this is the
If the judge ruled any other way, I think it'd
be clinically insane.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, uh, well the judge is also a Washington State
alone and former president of like the Coup Alumni Associate,
one of the alumni association groups.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, so this thing is gonna get deeper rapping a
little bit. So we're gonna find out more information as
it goes on, because the schools are not gonna go
down with it without a fight. U c l A
is gonna be putting up a fight because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoah,
whah whah, we gotta pay money the cow and they
leaving two. No, so there's a lot to bro there's
a lot to unwrap here because if your U c

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l A. I'm mean you're saying, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa,
I gotta pay you and I'm leaving like eight whatever
however many million dollars and you're leaving too. No, absolutely not.
I'm no border regions. You got to figure something else out.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It does feel like a it does feel like a
divorce where like where like you have to pay child support,
but that child went and got emancipated at sixteen, So
like do I still need to be paying child support?
Because this kid is all on their own, so it'll

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be interesting that works out, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Or can an emancipated child get child support from a
parent who knows? But anyways though, so on to the
next thing. We did our picks against the spread, Ralph, Yes,
and uh how did how did they go?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You went seven and four. I we picked against each
other on a lot of these, so I went four
and seven. Should I should have stayed in lockstep with you?
And then on the on the totals we both went
five and five. So you're sixteen and eight against the
spread on the season's yeah, and you went You know
what's annoying is you went five and oh in your

(08:24):
just like locks of the week or whatever that weren't
necessarily related to the PAC twelve that you put out
from your social media, and in that five and oh
included you flip flopping on Colorado Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I did, man, because it's something about things like as
because remember how my feelings on Colorado were. And then
as soon as we got closer to the season, it
was almost like when I went to the Aerospence Bud
Crawford fight, I was all on Aerospence. I went there,

(08:58):
I saw Buck Crawford up close and personal. It had
nothing to do with Ero Spence because Arrolspence looked ready,
but it was something in Bug Crawford's eyes, his walk, everything.
I was like, oh, oh, he's gonna beat his ass,
Like he's like, this is gonna be a problem.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
And he just texted me that.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah. And as we got closer to the Colorado TCU game,
I was like, Oh my god, they might win this game.
As I started to examine it deeper and deeper, and
then after watching Nebraska play Minnesota, I was like, oh, damn,
they're gonna beat Nebraska too. And Colorado still has the

(09:37):
same issue. They can't run the football, all of that stuff.
And we'll get to that in a minute. But what
came out of that weekend Ralph eight pack twelve teams
in the top twenty five? Are you kidding me? Are
you benigning me?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
It should be nine? It should be nine. But Cal's
special team is extra special and.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
He doesn't mean specially in a nice way. Yeah, so
we have usc the highest ranked pack twelve team at number.
I gotta go to the actual rankings. But besides the
you're pulling rankings, Yes, yes, the as they should be

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so you have yeah, so you have USC in pole
position in the PAC twelve at number Why Why is
technology failing me? Right now?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
You got you got it? Not just technology. You had
to tell people why we were late for the podcast today.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh yeah, flat flat tire. Noah problem, just a dummy
not securing stuff to their car properly, to their work
truck properly and fell off. Got it, got a hole
in the tire. But thanks to California Tire. Oh no, sorry,
Chatsworth Tire for a plugging your boy out. So USC
is at number five. You have Washington at number eight.

(11:12):
You taught at number twelve, Oregon at thirteen, Oregon stayed
at sixteen, Colorado at eighteen, Washington stayed at twenty three,
in UCLA at twenty four. And the national media want
to point this out. Marked the time on the tape

(11:32):
Ralph eleven minutes and ten seconds. The national media is
not acknowledging this the way that they are supposed to.
They are not acknowledging the PAC twelve having eight ranked
teams as high as number five the way that they
should be, because if this was the SEC or even

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the Big Ten or any other conference specifically, the SEC
Lord have Mercy David be doing flips. They'd be like,
oh my god, it is the best conference ever.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
This team.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
They've got to get two teams in the playoff. They
have to. This is gonna be such a gauntlet. It's
gonna be unbelievable, unstoppable. Just give them the championship. Now,
that's what they would be doing. And you know what
they're doing right now, Ralph, Yeah, there's a hey, yo,
there's really good football being played out out out West
right now.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, out West? Yes, specifically in Boulder, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, where where Big.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Noon Kickoff and Game Day have set up shop for
opposing pregame shows on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Against Colorado State. But I'm not mad at that, only
because of the rest of the schedule. But that's a
whole nother thing.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
So here's a here, here's a dumb what if that
never would happen in a million years. But let's say
George Kleiafkoff had said like, hey guys, this media deal's
coming through. It's coming through in October for just to
buy himself time, just because he didn't have anything ready.
What would have happened? What would have happened?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Nobody would have believed him because he because he's constantly
how many times did he say it's coming, it's coming,
it's coming.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well that's the problem, that's the problem. Yeah. But but
do you think TV Networks right now as of today
would look at this conference eight ring teams and been like, yeah,
we we can invest in that.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, one hundred percent with here, with Oregon being really good,
Washington having a good coach, and they are recruiting the
best right now, but they are winning, they're balling, and
you know, Utah being a stabilizing force. Dude, this is

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something that you can This is a brand of football
with Caleb Williams here and all of that that you
can invest in. You could have You could have invested
in that, and and truthfully it was probably really worth
the fifty million dollars that the Washington State professor really
came up with. But this is where the availability problem

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had mattered the most, because when you're not available, you
will allow people to say all sorts of stuff about you.
They make up rumors, they assume what you want, They
talk about what they think that you're doing and what
your opinion is, instead of you actually telling them.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, it does make me feel like more and more
of the responsibility is on the shoulders of USC and
UCLA though, because they were. If they would have stuck
it out, I think that deal would have happened.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yes, one hundred percent. They bailed out early, and truthfully,
USC and Mike Bone and everybody else, they were trying
to get away from Morgan. They were because they felt
like that the gap was closing all of that stuff.
I mean, even when you look at recruiting US, he

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doesn't out recruit Oregon. Now they wanted away from them.
And now now granted that wasn't the only move. They
wanted that money and they thought that they were gonna
have a significant advantage and then to get away from
everybody else. But it was a naive move because the
the response to it was, oh, yeah, we're gonna be

(15:23):
out here all by ourself in the big ten, when
it didn't make any logistical sense for them to be
out here all by themselves.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Even if that's true, that's out of the frying pan
and into the fire because you just, oh, I don't
want to have anything to do with Oregon, so I'm
gonna go play Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Good luck. Well, I actually think that that puts the
onus on, like on these teams to be just that
much better. I mean, how much better do you have
to be? And granted it's it's the conference is enormous.
They're gonna have to move to nine conference games. They're
gonna they're gonna have to because it's silly to have,

(16:02):
you know, like a sixteen eighteen team conference and you
only play eight conference games. And I know that they
play nine now, so they I mean, hell, they might
have to expand a ten just to put out continuously
good product because yeah, you're only playing.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
If your conference is twenty deep, why not play ten
conference games? Yeah, especially with the playoff expanded, Like, I
don't see any reason to have a lesson conference schedule anymore.
And you should insulate and spend most of your time
playing against yourself to reinvest in your product like that.
I'm yep, I'm not mad at that at all.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
No, I actually think that that's actually the way it
should be and the way it should go. And I
know that that is going to that that would decimate
some of these non conference by games, But you can
play one of those and a and a and a

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crossover game between another conference and then everybody's happy.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, because as an Oregon fan, I'm not gonna be
happy if with the with the schedule. If Ohio State
and Michigan and Penn State are off the schedule one
one year, now, is that going to mean that you
probably end up in the championship game. Yeah? Sure, but

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that's not what fans really want to see. Fans want
their team to win, but fans also want to see
their teams play big games. Yeah, So onto the big
games from last week though, because we had a lot
of them, Ralph, and we will start up and we
will start with so so you gave us our picks

(17:49):
against the spread, and now we have we'll start with
the first game, the game that woke everybody up and
got the college football world going crazy because it was personal.
Colorado thirty six Nebraska fourteen. In the first half, Colorado
did not look all that impressive offensively. Nebraska's defense looked

(18:11):
really good, and I questioned if there were going to
be more touchdown scored or Dion commercials, and it turned
out that they were probably about even. And I mean
this was a case of Colorado's athletes out athleting Nebraska. Yes,

(18:32):
they were coach well, but they but Colorado did not
look as you know it was. It was almost like
it was hard for them to get refocused after all
the hype and pomp and circumstance. And we told you
sos of week one. So which one is it the efficient,
you know, disciplined, very you know, pretty mistake free Week

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one team or was it the Week two team that
had a few blunders here and there, had more penalties
and you know, made a few more mistakes but got
some tackles for loss.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, and did a did a job turning.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
The ball over.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, even though Nebraska's quarterback Jeff Simms helped a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I mean he was donating to the cause for sure.
Like somebody needed to tear off that Nebraska jersey. See
if there's a Colorado jersey underneath. Jeff Simms is a
good athlete, but this game plan was terrible And am
I I'm not wrong? Right? Scott Saderfield is the OC
out in Nebraska. Came from came from South Carolina last year. Yeah,
my least favorite coordinator in all of I said it

(19:46):
a bunch last year, A bunch on the PAC twelve
apostles podcast, I'd be like, you know who's a terrible coordinator,
Scott Saderfield at South Carolina, which has absolutely nothing to
do with Pac twelve play whatsoever. But I was watching
Spencer Ratler languish out in Colombia. They started to figure
out toward the end of the year. But like, I
don't know why it didn't occur to me that, oh,
Nebraska is you know, they might have Matt Rule, they

(20:08):
might have some physical players, they might have a lot
of juice behind him, but like, they have the worst
OC on Earth, And I thought, Jeff Simms are gonna
run the ball.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, oh, they don't have the worst OC on Earth.
Colorado last year had the worst OC on Earth.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's fair, That's very fair. But yeah, so I was like,
Jeff Simms is going to have a career day run
the ball. I think That's what I said last week.
What I didn't realize about Jeff Simms is he's fast
and he's athletic, but he is not committed like that,
when you go out there to run the ball, there'd
be hesitation there, there'd be no acceleration there, and he

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was just he was mixed up. Man. He was turning
the ball over a lot. What I did like on
the Colorado side was the second half when you started.
When you the second half, especially the fourth quarter, is
when you see good teams separate from okay teams.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Like that's where you see the separation. And you saw
it in this game, which made me think, oh, like, oh,
Colorado could be a really good team. A linebacker Jordan Dominic,
Holy cow. I know he's at his third college. I
know he's like twenty three years old, but he's an
NFL player. Man. He was awesome. They overcame the physicality,
they played relatively mistake free football in the passing game.
They still can't run the ball. They still can't stop

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the run. Eventually, that could come back to bite them.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh no, no, no it is not. Maybe it is going
to I mean, here's the truth about Colorado after two weeks.
It is exactly what we said in after week one,
is that their inability to stop the run and run
the football is going to be the gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Who has the guts to go in with that game plan? Though?
Who has the guts and the patients to put away
the deep ball or maybe only throw it three or
four times and really just try to smash Colorado. Who
has the guts to go in there and be physical,
not flashy. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I think you have of Oregon's gonna try to run
it at him, Utah is gonna try to run it
at him, Oregon State's gonna run it at him. I yeah,
so I actually let me make sure of they're of
their schedule, because just because I do believe all those teams.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
I worry about. I worry about Oregon though, because they're
on this whole bow Knicks Heisman campaign thing. Would he
be okay to go out and only throw the ball
eighteen twenty times? Because they just went Marshaun lynch on
on Colorado's defense.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't think that Bo Knicks cares. I think that
Bo Knicks wants to win more than he wants to,
you know, because because the true truth be told is
the accolades for the quarterbacks typically are you know, cemented
by winning that the that the Heisman finalists are not.

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I mean, because if we're being honest, Max Duggan wasn't
wanted the four best quarterback in college football last year,
but you in that playoff conversation you're gonna have a
legitimate shore to be at the Heisman ceremony if you're
a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Tree just a fact.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So so that's the So that's the case, and you
just have to win. You just have to win. You
don't have to put up gaudy stats, because we've seen
Gaudi stats don't always win Heisman's that the winning and
having those Heisman moments come back wins. Gritty play, gritty

(23:34):
opportunities that those things typically get rewarded a little bit
more than just then just win it, I'm sorry, than
just stats.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean, yeah, so Colorado they got that. They're they're
playing little brother next. Colorado State is not good yep.
And and this line started at eighteen, but now Colorado's
fait by twenty three and a half. Are you you're
gonna take a three and a half touchdown spread?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh man? See see this feels tough because we only
have one game of data on Colorado State and that
wasn't exactly good.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So so if we're sitting here and we're looking at
college at Colorado State, we don't know a lot about them.
Mummy's their coordinator on the offense. They and they played
against Washington State and lost fifty to twenty four. So
they lost by twenty six points and so uh and
now this is a twenty three and a half point line,

(24:39):
which feels right about where it should be.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Colorado State's not going to come out and run the ball.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yes, they're gonna throw it all the time, and I
think Washington States defense is better. I am going to
take the under. I'm not. I'm definitely not taking under
in this game, no matter if it's eighty. I'm taking
Colorado State plus twenty three and a half.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Colorado and I'm
gonna make a risky play here and I'm gonna take
the under.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think this is a nine and a half fifty
nine and a half. Get bro, no way give me
the over. I'm smashing the over. I'm I'm actually going
to place that bet right point, yo, lord he BRCA.

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Speaker 2 (25:40):
Utah twenty Baylor thirteen.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Make Yike's game.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
This was a rock fight, bro, Utah was fortunate to
get out of this game, even though that they had
plenty of opportunities to step up. But I think that
the glass slipper has fallen off of Bryson Barnes. Nate
Johnson is the quarterback until until comes back, until Cam

(26:08):
Rising comes back. Brant Keithy said he's not sitting out
this year. So they're still missing starters at Utah. However,
and when we go over our Pack twelve power rankings,
I had to move like I was like Utah still
being ranked where they're ranked in the AP pole doesn't

(26:29):
make sense to me. I actually would have been fine
if they were down in the twenties because they they've won,
but they have not looked good. Florida's not very good,
Baylor's bad, And yes they won those games and they
weren't pretty and gritty, but people like they have so
many starters out, that's not our problem. Like we're supposed
to rank what we've seen on the field, and what

(26:52):
we've seen on the field has not been great from Utah.
Yes it's gritty, Yes they're keeping it going. Hopefully things
turn around when Rising along, but this does not look
like a team offensively that's good at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I agree with you. I don't think Nate Johnson is
the the savior. I think he's the better option because
you need somebody that can move around and Bryson Barnes
is not your move around guy.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
And he doesn't throw the ball as well as Bryson
Barnes does. And Bryson Barnes is not throwing the ball
well either, So there's that right.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Defensively, this was this might have been the most physical
game of the weekend. Baylor was hit and hitting.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yea, they were.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was like, what Kyle Whitningham say something about their
mothers or what like. They were out there, they were
playing hard, and so it really made me think the
Baylor season's not over because the Big twelve's kind of down.
They might actually do some damage in that conference if
if if offensively they can get right. But like we said,
the good the good teams separate from the okay teams

(27:56):
towards the end of the game, and Utah has got
their only two touchdowns in the in the second half,
and the defense held up and it happened on the road.
So I give Utah a lot of respect for being
able to pull this rabbit out of the hat. But
at the same time, yeah, like there's a lot of warts, Yeah,
a lot of and the.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Twelve for twenty six for one hundred and fifty three
yards and a pick, Like that's what the quarterbacks combined. Yeah,
and yeah, Baylor wasn't any better. They were twelve for
twenty eight with two picks. The only difference is that
Utah was able to run the ball. They ran the
ball forty seven times four point eight yards to carry
in two touchdowns. But yeah, this is I did like

(28:40):
they look like they have wide receivers this year though.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think you're right about that. Yeah, they just they
don't have a way to get them the ball.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yep. But the question is how much better is Utah
going to be with Cam Rising offensively?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I their commitment to the run. I think it's gonna
make the run game even easier, and so that can
make all the difference, just the relief of not having
everybody be able to play. I'd definitely sit him this week.
I don't want I don't want to see Brent Keithy
in uniform. I don't want to see Cam Rising in
uniform this week because it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Against Weaver State on Pack twelve network. I actually would
like to see them, and that's an eleven am kick.
I actually would like to see them. And because they
need to get a tune up at least a little bit,
so there's no over under on this game because it's
an FCS team, so we automatically set the spread at

(29:36):
thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Ralph, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
So you're gonna take Utah.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I'll take the thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no. Give me
Weaver State, buddy, give me Weaver State. This is one
of the best FCS teams. They will put some points up.
They will put some points up. Utah's defense is really good.
But listen, I think that this game could be close
for a second until the second half. This is gonna

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be like a twenty one point big three, twenty four
at the very most. They'll stretch it out a little
bit at the end, but I don't even feel confident
in that. To be perfectly honest with you.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
This was like, well, if hold up, if Cam Rising
does not play, if Cam Rising does play, this could
this could hit over that thirty eight?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I feel you and I do think we were stated right.
Is one of the better teams in FCS. But last
year I'm pretty sure in game two or three, I
took Southern Utah to cover a forty point spread and
Utah beat them seventy three to seven. So I'm still
remembering the pain of being wrong on that one.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, this office is a little bit different though. Up
next you have Washington forty three, Tulsa ten and Michael
PENNICKX Junior. He did throw a pick in the game,
but Lord have mercy.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
That picture and accounted the picture and accounted Roma Dunese
got face masked and stopped because you figure a face
mask is pretty obvious, and the ball landed in a
defensive player's hands in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Twenty eight for thirty eight four hundred and nine yards. Bro,
three touchdowns. How do you slow this full down? They
run the ball extremely good. They only ran for one
hundred and nine yards on twenty two carries, which is.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Crazy because they were up a million.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, bro, they just kid. They are trying to make
sure Michael Pennix Junior gets his stats, and they are
trying to win and stat their way to a Heisman, Bro,
that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to take
the same game playing that USC did last year.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Pennix is on pace to break the PAC twelve single
season passing record if he keeps this up. I know
it's only two games, but if he keeps this pace up,
he will because they'd have to get to a thirteenth
game for him to do it. But it's like fifty
six hundred yards or something like that, and he's on
pace for.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It right at is I mean, dude, he's putting up
Washington state numbers, Bro, Washington state passing numbers, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
In what looks like a relatively normal offense. I also
want to get a shout out to Jalen McMillan, who
had on paper a very good game, but he dropped
a touchdown. He fumbled in what would have given them
another touchdown before half, or at least an opportunity for
a field goal. He had the most bipolar game he had.

(32:40):
Kaylin Debor like pacing the sidelines. But it's good. I mean,
it's it's good. If you're gonna have a nightmare game
like that, it's good to at least also produce and
show what you're capable of. But I don't know where
his head was at. He was. He was definitely strugg one.
At times he was good and terrible. Yes he was.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
He was good and terrible a tub You're like, oh, hell,
hell of a game. And then you're like, uh when
you watching this that you're.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Like and a fumble and a drop touchdown when he's
more wide open than he'll ever be in his entire life.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yep, hey man, it happens. Sometimes. Their next game is
at Michigan State on Peacock two pm. Washington is a
sixteen and a half point favorite over under fifty seven
and a half. Give me Washington and them sixteen and
a half points. It could be twenty points and I
would still take it. Ralph. That okay, that is that

(33:33):
is my book. Itt I book that this week. That
is probably going to be the lock of a week, Ralph,
I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
All right, Well, speaking of Peacock, there is no mel
Tucker coaching in this game, so we'll see how whole
another story. Yeah, when we're not going to get into it.
Oh uh, the line is moving moving, so a lot
of the money here is on Washington. They don't think
the Michigan State's gonna respond very well to this. Again,

(34:02):
if Michigan State has a pass rush, then they'll they'll
be in the game, and if not, they won't. I
am going to say seventeen point Washington win, which is
enough to cover, and I'll take the over as well.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, this is I don't see. Honestly, I just don't
see a world where Michigan State is slowing them down
very much.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I just do you have? Do you have Peacock? This
is gonna be a weird weekend for games because, first
of all, this is the last weekend of the PAC
twelve network having to stretch its resources because they'll never
have a week like this again because they won't exist.
So there's like like seven of our games on PAC
twelve network. I don't have Peacock, so I got to
find a way to get this game.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I absolutely have. I have, Okay, Ralph, I have everything,
everything except except Pack twelve twelve network. Everything possible except
Pack twelve network. It is easier for me to access
at I have Peacock, Paramount plus Discovery plus Hulu TV,

(35:08):
YouTube TV.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
You got a you got a TV? Mortgage.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah, and and and can't get back twelve network,
Sorry as hell. All right, Now on to my Oregon
Ducks thirty eight to thirty. Hey, Ralph, there was it
was never in doubt we were covering that spread, buddy,
Never in were.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
You gonna weren't you gonna like jump off a building
if Oregon's defense gave up like well, I said forty,
they gave up thirty. But are you were a little
bit worried about the defense here? Yes?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And no right, so yes from the sheer number of points,
But when you look at how those points were accomplished.
Number number one, Texas Tech had a beautiful game game plan.
So they went like blur speed like Oregon used to
like fast like where where they could only cut called

(36:02):
vanilla defenses. They couldn't get into any blitz packages. They
could barely sub so Jordan Burch only played twenty nine
plays in the game. They couldn't they literally couldn't get
him on the field. Now, there were some times in
third downs where they didn't pick up some where they
didn't get off the field on third down, but they
did have them in third and long a lot, which

(36:22):
is a good sign. But the issue is is that
Texas Tech did something that they don't do. Bro Tyler Shuck,
who the reason why he got pushed out of Oregon
is because they didn't he did he wouldn't run the ball,
or they didn't think that he could run the ball
through random ball like what twenty two to twenty four times,
and most of them were designed runs. Like they were

(36:45):
designed runs.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
I told you that before the game. I said, you're
gonna be you. You are gonna freak out at how
much they run Tyler Shuck on purpose. Which ps if
I was trying to kill Tyler Shuck, I'm trying to
have him die on the field. This would have been
my game plan. He took thirty hits, He got hit

(37:06):
thirty times. His rushing yards were actually closer to one
forty one fifty. He had a twenty two yard set.
They cave up right before halftime. I've never seen somebody
take this many hits in a game, and I just
want to stand on the desk for this very particular point.

(37:26):
Your quarterback's arm is affected by the amount that you
run them. Yes, that has always been true. Because they
were never going to come back to Oregon until the
end of the game, George, he was shaking his head
every time he got up.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
He was shaking. Yeah, yes, he was. You are that's
a stude observation.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, I I was just surprised. Every time. I was like,
is he going to get up? And then he did
and then he shake his head. I'm like, well that's
not good.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So when he's like, I'm telling you, this dude feels
like he got in thirty six car crash. Well sorry,
thirty car crashes. Oh, because he's not used to getting
hit that much. No, and if he come out and
doesn't throw the ball well this week, you know why.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Right, I dude, I I like slightly pulled a lat
at the gym yesterday and couldn't sleep last night. There's
no chance Tyler Schuck's been to sleep for three days.
He's oh my gosh. And what was crazy was Oregon
had to score twenty in the fourth to win this game. Yeah,
then and the game ceiling picked six happened when to

(38:40):
cover by the way, when Oregon was up thirty one
thirty and I had tweeted, I was like, Tyler Schuck
revenge drive and then immediately had to tweet never mind.
But like he didn't have anything left in the tank
at the end of this game. Are you worried so
you think it was more strategy than indicative of any
actual issues Oregon may have on the defensive side of

(39:02):
the football.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I am still up in the air, up in the
air because I do think that Oregon has to figure
something out with their defensive coordinator position, possibly because Tash
is cool. But I don't think that the results are
what Dan Lanning is looking.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
For because he's mister defense, mister championship defense.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yes, and he's an excellent defensive mind, and he has
kind of turned that over, and I do think that
you're gonna need to see better results. The thing, there
was too many mistackles. I do think that they are
going to have to They do a decent job of
stopping regular runs, but it was when you added the court,

(39:49):
it was almost like that they didn't prepare for the
amount of quarterback runs that were done.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
So they all they are They are saying that Oregon
should kill, like, buy six touchdowns, kill Hawaii at home
this weekend.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Thirty eight point Yeah, that's a lot. I'm going to
take Oregon minus thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And sixty eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Sixty eight and a half. So if Oregon scores fifty
five minus thirty eight, is how much fifty five seventeen seventeen,
I'm gonna go that's seventeen. That puts it at seventy two.
So I'm gonna take that over.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Okay, I will. I'll go with you on this one.
I think I like Hawaii. I think they're physical, but offensively,
I don't think they have what it takes to hang around.
So this could and at least Oregon got in and
got everybody to play a full game last week's because
I think that they're you're gonna I think you're gonna
see a big third quarter from the Ducks.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah. I want them to jump on jump on them early,
jump on them early, hold them, hold them down, hold
them under water. Oh, Oregon State fifty five?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
You see David seven. I did not think that you
see Davis. I didn't realize that you see David score
because I stopped watching when it was like fifty five
zero or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Well, you got to see three different quarterbacks in the
UC Davis game, so they might need a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
George, hey brother, hey brother, They they they got they
got one coming now, Oregon State twelve tackles for loss.
This was this was just a This is exactly what
Oregon State, if they are who everybody thinks they are,

(41:53):
what they were supposed to do to U see Davis. Yeah, yeah,
that's exactly what they were supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
They got some highly rated players on this defense. Makaiah
Tungue is one of them. I think he was a
four star that everybody wanted. I think he transferred from
Georgia or something like that. He's playing well. My one
takeaway from this game is Silas Bolden can run. He
had a punt return for a touchdown. I think he
had a receiving touchdown. He's uh, he's fast, and it's

(42:20):
good for them to have have weapons like that to
be able to stretch the field. And they still have.
They still have DJ. You with the doing the short
run Jack Kletto stuff. So I was about to get
another touchdown. But are we house sold? Are we on DJ?
At this point?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
They had a week week Week one and yeah, this
game was so out of control that he only had
to throw for one hundred and seven yards.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
I would say as confident as I've been about any
Oregon State quarterback for the last five or six years.
So I think they're probably in a good place. Okay,
I don't think he's not. He's not Michael Pennix. He's not. No, like,
he's not gonna he's not gonna throw for four hundred
yards unless you're in like a fifty five to forty

(43:10):
two game or something like that. You know it. He
needs to go out there, he needs to get fifty
yards on the ground, two fifty through the air and
not turn the ball over. And Oregon State's gonna win
most of these games.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah. So DJ was fourteen for eight for thirteen for
one oh seven and two touchdowns, and then you had
my man come in, Bro, you had that young man
come in eight and Giles not for thirteen for seventy
four yards and a touchdown, and then rush for another

(43:45):
four for forty two yards and a touchdown. Now, they
didn't bring him in for, you know, to like replace,
but they are clearly making sure that he gets reps.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, And and they got to do whatever they can
to make him feel come there because the future super
uncertain for this school. They don't know who they're gonna
be playing next year.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
He's not transferring I'm telling you right now, they got
to schedule ten games. Yeah, damn no, no, no, they
got to schedule nine because they have their non conference
set already and you.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Have to figure that they're gonna make them play Oregon.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Right, yes, hopefully so?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
All right, so they need eight games?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh my god, I'm gonna see what they what they
have on their future schedule on on FBS schedules dot com,
because that's very interesting because they're twenty twenty four football
schedule only has three games on it. Damn, Idaho State,
Boise States.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
What's crazy is do you know who needs a lot
of games? Who is all these teams that are leaving.
So what you might see is you might see the
same schedules this year for Washington State in Oregon State
next year because ASU is gonna have to fill in
a game or two, Colorado's gonna have to fill in
a game or two. They're all gonna be in competition.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
They have to fill in. Why did Colorado and like
the team's going to the Big Twelve don't need to
fill any games?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
But they don't play nine conference games in the Big Twelve?
Do they?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yes? They do, Yes, dude, they play nine and then
then they play Yeah, they played the entire conference because
it was only ten of them left. I mean, okay,
so there's only ten teams that they played the entire conference.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Okay, so then it would be it would be Washington, Oregon, UCLA,
and USC that need to fill in one non con game. No,
they play.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Nine games, yes, ten, yes, the eighth. Everybody's jumping on
this train. The A SEC and the SEC the only
ones that play eight.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Oh my gosh. Oh then yeah, this is to get
scheduling is going to be a mess.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yes, yes, that was exactly the thing I was harping on.
I was like it because people like they can wait
a while on this conference Deial know they can't.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
They can.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, and think about the pomp and circumstance that was
put around the Big Ten schedule release of a couple
months ago, and then all of a sudden they add
Washington Oregon. Now they got to blow the whole thing up.
So nobody even knows who they're playing next year in
the Big Ten yet, so love it all right. Oregon
State next week has their home against San Diego State

(46:33):
on FS one twelve thirty. Oregon State is favored by
twenty four and a half points, Ralph over under forty
eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'll take I'll take the over and i will take
Oregon State. And let's just take advantage of the fact
that San Diego State is having a little bit of
an identity crisis. They're throwing more than they should. Defensively,
they don't have the athletes that they usually do. I
thought the transfer portal era was gonna make San Diego
State even stronger. That has not been the case. So

(47:02):
I'm I'm rocking the over and Oregon State minus twenty
four and a half.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
All right, I am going to go with the So
UCLA scored thirty five points against them. Ucla start in
the freshman quarterback. They actually ran the football well as
well for two hundred and I'm taking the under here, Ralph,

(47:29):
I'm not even sure if they score ten points against
Oregon State, I'm gonna take the under. And it's because
it's probably gonna be like forty two to ooh, forty
two to seven. That's a that's a loss. I am

(47:49):
going to take the over. Yes, yes, I'm gonna take
the over, and I'm gonna take Oregon State minus twenty
four and a half. Okay, all right, l oh sorry.
Washington State Wisconsin. Washington State thirty one, Wisconsin twenty two.

(48:12):
This is the second year in a row Washington State
has beat Wisconsin. So does this say more about where
Washington State's football is or where Wisconsin football is because
they were ranked nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
It's probably a little bit of both. Last year was
indicative that you probably needed to make a change, and
they did this year. I don't think Wisconsin's on their
footing yet. I did not like their game plan. They
had Braylen Allen, they barely used him.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
It's weird seeing him throw the ball forty times a game.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Washington State looks much better this year than they did
last year. Infinitely better. Yes, I told you, I think
one place where we were not in agreement was I
to me, cam Ward last year was the worst production
that Washington State got for a quarterback in a decade.
But to me, he looked the most prototypical. He looked

(49:04):
like an NFL player. To me, this last game against
Wisconsin was the first time where I was like, felt
a little vindicated in that take because his decision making
was his stats weren't that greater. His decision making was
crazy he did not hesitate when it was time to
take off and run. Some of the throws he made
were like mind blowing getting the ball, and he kept
his composure when Wisconsin came back. He's getting the ball, you're.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right and that and that was the issue that I
said last year was that was that they were having
trouble there. I mean, well, that he was having trouble there,
that he was having trouble getting the ball out on time,
which was causing significant problems for his pro potential and
everything else. Why should they still not running the ball? Great?

(49:51):
Only two and a half yards of carry? Yeah, which
is you know, as you get against these good, good teams,
if you want to be able to throw the you
have to be able to run it. And if you
can't run it efficiently, that creates a significant problem because
they're going to make you play left handed and make
you play with the hands with tie behind your back.

(50:12):
But this Washington State defense is really good. You have
to give them a lot of credit. Yeah, yeah, like it,
like it.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
One interesting thing that happened in this game, and you
hate to see it when a team is two and
oh and they look like they're trending up is they
got a receiver. There's a lot of hype coming in.
His name's DT Sheffield. There was a part in the
game where cam Ward got rid of a ball to
hit Williams down the field and Dt Sheffield doubled back
on his route and broke the pass up and Williams

(50:41):
yelled at Sheffield on the field in front of everybody,
which can happen like key to the moment, passion whatever.
Sheffield only had two catches in the game and after
the game he quit the team. What yeah, they're two
and oh they're throwing the ball. Well, there's a lot
of promise and he got I don't know if it

(51:01):
has to do with the fact that he got yelled
at out there on the field in front of everybody,
or that he's not getting touches, or what's going on
in his life or whatever, but yeah, after the game,
one of their better receivers just quit.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That's see, this is part of Now we don't know
the entire story, however, though this is I think that
we're gonna see this sort of thing happen more than
we ever have because there is a little bit of
not wanting to go through hard things or you know,

(51:34):
not liking it, and oh my gosh, I'm not getting
what I deserve. I'm not getting what I deserve, and
I'm out of here. What's your alternative, buddy? You're just
not gonna play. I mean, it is better to play
and it not go like you want it to go
than to not play at all. Because you're not a professional,
you are not being paid you there's a finite amount

(51:57):
of eligibility that you have, So listen, bro, I don't
have any answers to all the things, but I do
know that you do have to fight through adversity in
sports and life and everything else. And some of these
people ain't willing to do that.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Their next game up is against Northern Colorado and PAC
twelve network two o'clock FCS team. So thirty eight and
a half point spread, where are you at?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I'm just gonna put my faith in the PAC twelve
and say they hit it.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
All right. Northern Colorado, let's see their middle middling big
sky team that up until recently, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
If he's still the coach was coached by Ed McCaffrey.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Oh my god, bro, they lost the Incarnate Word forty
two to seven, and they lost to Avonle and Christian
thirty one to eleven.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
And incarnate word is where our guy came Ward came from.
So they're about to get a double dose.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, bro, no, sorry, not get the thut, just just
mark check all the boxes. What's the over under the over?
Oh yeah, there's no running again. So give me Washington
State minus thirty eight and a half. If they don't
win by thirty eight and a half, I will be
a little bit concerned. If we're being honest.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
All right, we got UCLA next up, and I want
to admit after they're thirty five to ten win over
San Diego State. Dante Moore is the guy. He is
the guy I think they have. I think they got
three good quarterbacks, three very different quarterbacks, but three good quarterbacks.
It's a good problem to have in case Dante Morre
for any reason, can't finish out the season. I think
they're in good hands. He's the guy. But can the

(53:48):
run get because they've been running the hell out of
the ball. Can they keep up that production to keep
Dante Moore from feeling like he has to do too much?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
That's that's the question, right is Because I believe that
they can I mean, is that the way that you
protect the young quarterback is by running the football and
playing good defense, and UCLA is doing that right now.

(54:20):
They made him very comfortable. San Diego State couldn't really
get to him. And if you notice they played Colin
Schlee instead of instead of Ethan Garber's for a little bit.
That's a good when you have a secure lead. That's
the perfect quarterback to be putting in the game because
he could run his ass off. Yeah, and he had

(54:43):
twelve carries for oh no, no, sorry that was that
was That was Carson Steele. Excuse me, excuse me. So yeah,
so this I wonder if this means that Ethan Garbers
is gonna grad transfer after this.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
There's a lot of teams that could use him, uh
that it'd be he can't can't. Yes, make sure he
graduates though, because the NCAA rules on those double transfers.
But but yeah, I mean it's I still think he
could be very good quarterbacks somewhere for somebody.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, yeah, totally totally agree. Totally agree. Now, UCLA and
we talked about them recently. They got a stable of
running backs, TJ. Harden, Carson Steel. They ran the ball
thirty nine times for two hundred and fifty four yards,
and they stopped the run really well, only one point

(55:38):
nine yards to carry on thirty three.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Teams still have Colson Yankof. By the way, dude.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Why was Colson Yankoff returning kicks? I don't know I
saw him, but I was like, what that that's your
kickoff returner? Dude. They must have some analytics.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
He's not stopping till he plays every position on the
field at least once.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Bright That's wild, all right. So they played North Carolina
Central this week on PAC twelve network at two pm,
thirty eight and a half spread. Give me UCLA.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, respect to NC Central, but the HBCU competition out
here is not what it was a year ago. So
I think UCLA's a smart play here.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
All right. Mississippi State thirty one, Arizona twenty four in overtime.
And we talked about this this game, Ralph, and what
I was afraid of happening actually happened, which was Jadeen
Delora throwing the ball to the other team.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Well, did you think it was gonna happen four hundred times?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
That's the way Jaden DeLaura does. He's he's a blow
up guy. Like it's it's either really good, clean game
or you're just like what the are you doing?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
He reminds me of like storage wars where people just
bid on what and like one one one day you
could open up the storage locker that you bought and
it's all grandma's jewelry, and the next day it's just
like old kitty litter that someone didn't want to throw
out out and he had a kitty litter game. You
know what's crazy. He's also the only reason they were

(57:31):
in this game. He's the reason they were.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Out of its Jr. Smith, he's JR. Smith. He'll throw
you in the game and then throw you right out
of the game, like where Jr. Smith with the Nuggets.
He would shoot you in the game and then shoot
you right back out and then shoot you back at it.
Because he was for forty six for three forty seven,
two touchdowns and four picks.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yes, yeah, he was. He was all over the place.
Mississippi State probably should have won this game by a million.
They had to go to overtime to do it. And
my favorite thing of the football season happened in this game.
The halftime interview of Mississippi State's head coach. They asked
him like, hey, at some point you think maybe you're
gonna put the ball in your quarterback's hands, and he

(58:14):
was like, we got to play better in the second
half and he's walked away.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
They did not want to throw.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
They did not. Phil Rodgers has only thrown the ball
like in their two games, like forty forty some times
on the season. And this, yesty, he did throw it, Beach.
He's thrown it forty six times for three hundred and
eighty nine yards. And dude, he threw the ball six

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hundred and eighty three times as a as a in
twenty twenty one for forty seven hundred yards, and then
last year six hundred and ten times for almost four
thousand yards. And now he's on pace to throw the ball.
Oh what's that forty six forty six times, six two

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hundred seventy six times.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Well, here's the crack. Zach Garnett's like, let's honor Mike
Leach's legacy by taking the team he built to be
this air raid juggernaut and do the exact opposite of
anything Mike Leach would do. They're winning now, but they're
gonna get messed up by LSU this week. In my opinion,
they should have won this game by thirty and they

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had to go to overtime to do it, and they
kept running, they and what surprised me was that Arizona's
run defense held up really well yeah, and kept giving
them opportunities to go out and get this game back.
Arizona should have won this game had they had they
not tried to give it away. But since they tried
to give it away the fact that I had to

(59:52):
go to overtime is insane to me. I don't even
know if it says anything good about Arizona or something
very very bad about Mississippi State, but I I do
think that one of your five locks this week should
be LSU by a million, because I think they're only
favored by like eight and a half against Mississippi State.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, bro, this is craziness. Hey, hey, and I like this.
That will be one of the five games. I like,
I do you have you have convinced me? But yeah,
Arizona is now scaring me, Bro. They're scaring me because
the Mississippi State is not that great. They play UTEP
this week, which they should win, and then they got Stanford,

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which could be a win. I don't know if this
team's a bowl game bowl team after that last game,
and they're favored by seventeen and a half points against
UTEP over under fifty six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Where you're going, Ralph, I'm gonna take Arizona UTEP is down.
Arizona's coming off the mess. I don't think Jayden Delora
freaks out like that two games in a row, but
I could be wrong. That's the risk, right. It's like

(01:01:02):
you're playing pop Go's the weasel with this. I think
the music's gonna keep playing. I think Arizona's gonna have
a good week. But gosh, man, he is irresponsible back there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yep? Irresponsible is it? I am going to dude U
tip though their games have been against against Jacksonville State,
where they lost seventeen to fourteen. They beat Incarnate Word,
which is weird because and then they lost to Northwestern,

(01:01:36):
who's bad, thirty eight to seven. Yeh, So I am
you know?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Do you know who the coach of Jacksonville State is? No,
off the top of your head, Oh, it's a former player. No, no, no, no,
he's a former Pac twelve coach. Who mister rich Rodriguez,
Rich rod.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
B Rich Royd stay in Floyd Bro. All right, I'm
gonna go with the over here because Arizona State will,
I mean, Arizona will have some nice blow up games offensively,
and I'm gonna go with Arizona here. Minus is seventeen

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and a half points. Lord, have mercy. I'm I'm oh, Lord,
I'm doing this one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
And what's the fifty six and a half. Yeah, I
will take the over.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I'll take that over as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
All right, up next, Auburn at Cal Ralph. After seeing
Cal score what fifty fifty five points in Week one, Oh,
we were all excited. Oh the sunny Dyke's era is
back plus defense, and then they ran into Auburn and

(01:03:05):
Auburn I don't think it's necessarily particularly good this year,
but Cal only managed ten points. Bro, ten points. That's
not good. I'm just gonna say that. Granted, they held
Auburn to fourteen, but Auburn's running this two quarterback system

(01:03:27):
They clearly don't have it together yet. I don't even
know what to make it as Cale team at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
They blew it. They just blew it. They missed three
field goals, so that's nine points right there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
They they made a field goal that they had called
back due to a penalty, and then they gave up
the ball on a turnover on downs, so that's twelve.
And I think they turned the ball over in Auburn territory. Yeah, so,

(01:04:07):
I mean, just a horrific performance by this offense. I
said coming into this game that the best thing about
this Cal team was their interior push. Well, their offensive
captain center Matthew Kendrick out for the season now, and
still still with all of those mishaps, they still had

(01:04:30):
plenty of opportunity to win this game, except for that
on one drive in the second half, Auburn's Rivaldo Fairweather
was the best player on Earth, and he caught a
long pass on third and like seventeen, and then he
caught a touchdown pass and that ended up being the
difference Col's offense, like four yards per pass attempt across

(01:04:50):
two different quarterbacks. Why Sam Jackson didn't start the game,
I don't know if they were going to put him
in for several quarters. I'm not sure what they issue
was there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, so just why you wouldn't just start him instead
of being Ben Finley? Because Ben Finley was seven four
to eleven for thirty four yards and then you put
in Sam Jackson and he goes fourteen for twenty seven,
basically fifty percent for one to twenty six and zero touchdowns,
two picks. So you didn't get great quarterback play. And

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that's the part that is I guess concerning to me.
And they ran the ball forty times though they had
seventy eight offensive plays, and you averaged two point eight
yards of rush and you averaged four yards to throw
per completion. That is the definition of struggle bus, bro,
That is the definition of struggle bus. Offensively.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I don't know the actual official count, but my personal
count was six times in Auburn territory for zero points.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, dude, they were staying down there. And yes, they
got hosed on that fumble call and all of that.
But this Auburn team is confusing too, because they beat
you Mass. They scored fifty nine points, gave up fourteen
against you Mass, and then came right back in fourteen
to ten. So I think that we got to figure
out a lot about both of these teams that we

(01:06:16):
don't know yet, because we don't know how good Auburn is.
Because Auburn could turn out to be super good this year,
and then that would mean potentially that Cal's defense is
really good. But I don't think that Auburn's defense, well,
Auburn's offense is particularly good this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I'm with you and Cal. You know they got they
got what should be a gimmey against Idaho coming up.
But Idaho's got one of the bests in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Are you sure that that's a gimme? No? Idah hop
beat who the Idaho beat last week?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I don't know. I know they're undefeated. I know Hayden
Hatten's one of the best receivers in the country. I
know he threw a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Is they beaten Nevada last week thirty three to six? Yeah,
So so the question is, wait, is Hayden hadn't a
what what what years he because then we need to start, Oh,
he's a junior, so we can start for predicting which
school he'll play at next year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Well, he so up until this year, he was a
tight end and I've I actually said on this podcast
last year we made a list of like players you'd
want to see PAC twelve teams go out and get.
I mentioned him several times. He lost weight to be
to project more as a receivers and yeah, and Idaho

(01:07:38):
has turned him into like a celebrity out there, so
he he decided to stick around. Yeah, I think he
could have left before this year. So it's kind of
it's kind of interesting, and they're putting all of their
resources into promoting the heck out of him. It'll be
interesting to see him up against a legit defense who
did give up a couple of big plays to a
tight end. Hatton's not a tight end anymore. But I'm

(01:08:00):
very curious to see if cal should just take care
of business. This shouldn't even be a thing. But now
without I think they're gonna be able to run the ball. Well,
I think they'll get a win. But thirty eight and
a half points, which is the line we set for
FBS FCS matchups, No not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
No, oh, there is not a snowballs chance in hell.
I'm taking the under. Well, if there was an under,
I would take it, and I would take Idaho and
true and truth be told, Yes, I would be shocked
if Idaho one, But I would not be shocked if
Idaho one, If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I would be shocked if they won. But anything I'm
looking at probably in my head a two touchdown win,
maybe seventeen points assuming their kicker can hit anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Boom, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Whoo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
All right, here's a hard conversation here. So do you
want to go to the Arizona State conversation or do
you want to just go to Utah Stanford so we
can get all the easy stuff out the way first.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Well, USC Stanford's definitely easier conversation. So let's let's have
the easy conversation now, please, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Because we know that you'd like to run away from
our conversations. Not so much. Well, well, it depends on
about about what USC fifty six Stanford ten. Bro What
are we supposed to say about this? Stanford had fell

(01:09:34):
like a high school game? Felt like a high school game,
did it not?

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yes, yes, this this was I amg playing against whoever
they played against yesterday? When it I'm surprised they that
they get let over the border after what happened, they
were up ninety six ninety six nothing at halftime. This
is yeah as this game felt. It felt like two

(01:10:02):
teams that aren't even in the same conference playing against
each other. This felt like Oregon State playing against UC Davis.
And I know that that sounds mean and it sounds harsh,
but I'm not joking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
It was. It was no doubt. Ten eleven minutes in,
right when it hit twenty one nothing, it was like, Oh,
this is gonna be They're gonna pour it on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, dude. It was forty nine to three at halftime.
I don't know how they stopped scoring, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I mean I saw there was a couple of Miller
Moss deep balls. I was like, oh, this is about
to get disrespectful. But USC did let off the gas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
That would be an understatement letting off the gas. They
needed to put on a running clock in this game.
So Stanford ran the ball forty one times for two
hundred and nine yards at five yards of clip. EJ.
Smith ten yards of carry, Filkins twelve yards of carry.
So there are some things about this US even though
they dominated, there are some things that are a little

(01:11:12):
bit concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Still with yeah, every So there were four big plays
for Stanford. They were all off left tackle, which means
I had to learn the name James Pagarelk. I hope
I'm saying that right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, because they left tackle. EJ. Smith went for twenty nine,
Filkins went for fifty nine, and Cedric Irvin went for
a dub.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
And EJ had another twenty plus yard run off the
left side too. All four of them were pretty much
looked like the same play, all the left sideline. They
got a big left tackle. He's like six ' eight
from Virginia. Everyone in his family's played sports at some level,
so Stanford has something going for him. But this was man,
This was a beatdown. And the funny thing about USC

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is they have so much talent. They've been up by
so much in these games that they're still able to
spread the ball around make sure everybody gets a touch.
Dorian Singer found the end zone, Brendan Rice found the
end zone that you know, they get the freshman in there,
Deuce Robinson, you know, catching passes. And then your guy,
Zach Branch had another punt return to add to his

(01:12:17):
to add to his award winning reel. He's already packed
twelve Freshman of the Year for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
It's not even close. Now, all he's got to do
is make it through half the season. It'll it'll it'll
be like when Drake London won Pack twelve Player of
the Year and he missed the last four games. It'll
be kind of like that. H Yeah, he's done and
to be all in all honesty, he's going to be
Pack twelve. He's going to be first team All Packed

(01:12:42):
twelve as a return specialist for sure, no doubt. Because
you can't tackle this kid in a phone booth.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Bro he's I guess he's technically not a freshman, is he?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Because he was there? He was there and was he
there in twenty twenty two? No, Okay, his bio says
he enrolled in spring twenty twenty two. I don't know
why it says that he's a freshman. Yeah, maybe they're
maybe his bio is wrong. Yeah, he said he graduated
a semester early. They must mean they must mean twenty

(01:13:16):
three correct, Okay? Yeah. I was like no, I'm like yeah,
because I saw him play for Gorman last year, So.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I was like, I know for a fact, who's playing
against good playing for Gorman? Last duel enrolled. Dude, that
was a win, bro, that was a recruiting win. This
kid is the Anthony Thomas. He might beat Tyreek Hill.
I don't know what he is, but he's special.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Yeah, and it had to feel really good for usc
fans to, like, just after fifteen years of Stanford being
kind of a thorn in their side, to just beat
their ass on the way out had.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
To feel not even just without a doubt. Forty nine
to three at halftime. And next up USC as home
versus Zack State.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
That's uh, Stanford US got the week off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Because yeah, one of one of their two bye weeks,
then the other bye week just so happens to be
right before the Pack twelve championship. I hate that, but anyways, Uh,
Stanford plays versus sax State on PAC twelve network. How
sax State this year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Not great? They lost their running back and their head
coach right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yes, yeah coaches at Stanford right now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
So uh they're two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
And oh they beat Texas A and M Commerce, which
is that that team is bad. That team is super bad.
And uh they beat Nickel State at Nicholson.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Okay, let me see if I recognize any players off
this roster in the age of the transfer portal usually
will know a few.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Well, Okay, so I know at least a couple of
players on their roster, Okay, Jack Carson Conklin because he
went to Corona Centennial last year and he worked out
with Damon for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And then former Nevada quarterback Cayden Bennett's on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, and Ontario Smith Junior. So I recognize it leading
of those players.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, I'm a I know one. I do know Ontario
Smith Junior. But other than that, it's Cayden Bennett, Caleb
Higgins that was at Cal he's out there. But yeah,
I don't know that this should be if it ends
up being a contest for Stanford.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Oh, it definitely could. This could end up as a contest.
I'm telling you. I'm telling you this right now. Book
it the thirty eight and a half points. Give give
me sax State.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
All right? Do you know five foot five, one hundred
and forty six pound sack State running back Elijah Gable
from Sierra Canyon. What they got a five foot five
running back that's one hundred and fifty pounds from Sierra Canyon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
His name is what hold on I'm going I'm on
the roster. Elijah Gable.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Elijah Gable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Oh, that's CJ. Gable's little brother. Yes, or is a
cousin one of one of the two. Yes, he's He's
related to CJ. Gable, who used to play at usc
Okay and was a running back as well. No.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I always loved clicking on I love clicking on these
these rosters just to see if there's any high school
players that we recognize. Here's another one. This man looks
like he's forty seven years old, but it says he's
a freshman, number seventy. Justin Davis six foot six, three
hundred and eighty pounds from Oaks Christian. That's a big boy,

(01:17:01):
three eighty What wait, his name is?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
He's on the D.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Line, number seventy O lineman Justin Davis from Oakes Christian
six six, three eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Oh, I don't see him. Oh Oh, I see him.
I see him. I see him. Let me see his pickure.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
That's gotta be the only time anybody's ever said that
about him. I can't see you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Bro, I don't know. That kid is humongous, Lord have mercy.
He's like the kid. Uh yeah, So Anyways, Stanford has
to get it together, bro, because they can't lose this game.
They cannot lose this game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Well, I mean, and I'm sure that Andy Thompson, who
is the is the head coach there, worked under Stanford's
head coach, so I'm sure he's I'm sure I'm sure
that the locker room is excited to have a crack
at Stanford.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
All Right, last game up Oklahoma State twenty seven, Arizona
State fifteen, and Arizona State didn't score a point in
the second half in a game that you thought that
they might have control of. And uh, yeah, I am
this is that was a little bit concerning for me,

(01:18:30):
and I thought it raised some fair questions about I mean,
but when you do have a young quarterback in all right,
he is going to be put in the fire. There
are going to be some ups and downs. But with
those ups and downs, you gotta find him away. Because
he didn't play well in the second half against Southern

(01:18:55):
Utah and then the same thing again this week. So
there's some thing that's going on between the break at
halftime where he's losing some momentum. So Kenny Dillingham and
crew have to figure have to figure that out because
if not, they're gonna be there. They've won the one

(01:19:15):
game that they're gonna win this year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Well, here is what Kenny Dillingham had to say. He
compared Jayden Rashata to truffle, and he said, it's good
on fries, it's not good on everything. So you have
this expensive thing and you have to find a way
to support it. So who said that, Kenny Dillingham, Dude,
he ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Lying about that. I went to a Oh what is
what's the name of that chef, the one of the
young good looking chefs that you and I went to
his restaurant out here called Gwenn So it's called gwyn
g w e N and I went there and I

(01:20:01):
love truffle and I love whiskey, and they had a
an old fashion, a truffled old fashion. That thing was
one of the worst things I've ever drank in my
whole life. I couldn't even finish the drink. I was like,
oh God, why would you do this shut out to

(01:20:22):
chef possibly like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
It shut out to chef Curtistone, who gets Yes, incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Job, Yes, Curtis Thone who the rest of the food
was amazing, but that drink was horrendous. So yes, Kenny
Dillingham is one hundred percent truffle. That it is fantastic,
it's expensive, it's it's it enhances a lot of things.
But you either put too much of it or put
it on the wrong thing, and you might as well

(01:20:49):
have put the you know, maneure on it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Okay. So what he's saying, though, is the truffle's not
the problem. The old fashions the problem. And I don't know,
I just I don't know how to feel about it.
I kind of, you know, I support Kenney Dillingham. I
want him to do well. I think that he's an
incredible hire, But at this point, I just disagree that
Jade Rashada is the right person at the right time.

(01:21:16):
You have somebody on the roster. You know, you're having
a hard time protecting Jade Rashota because the o lines
beat up. You saw a glass didn't play Emmett Bowl
broke his leg horrifically in this game. He's out for
the season, so you know you got you got an
offensive line that is kind of patchwork and is going
to get healthier as the year goes on, and basically

(01:21:38):
saying like, well, you know we are we got to
get a running game going, We got to find out
a way to protect him, or or you have a
quarterback on the roster who is a seven on seven
god who does everything that he does in under three seconds.
You have not been able to complete a pass between
five and fifteen yards in the last two games, and

(01:21:58):
you saw what he could do last year when they
beat Washington and when he had four hundred yards offense.
Trenton borga exactly so much question. Here's my deal. I
want to win now. I want to win now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Want to ask you that's what I was going to
ask you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Yes, I want to win every game. I want to
win now. And the players that stayed you're Elijah Badgers,
You're Jail and Conyers, both of which who only have
six catches each through two weeks. They want to win now.
They want to get opportunities to catch the ball right now.
And you're trying to develop a freshman quarterback, a twenty
year old freshman. He's only one year younger than Anthony Richardson,

(01:22:34):
who's in the NFL right a twenty year old freshman quarterback.
You're trying to develop him right now. And even I
find myself when they went for it on fourth and
down like three different times and never got any of
them in this game. Every single time they went for
it on fourth down, in the back of my head,
I was like, well, I guess it doesn't matter anyway,
might as well go for it every time. So like
it's creeping into my thoughts that there's no bowl and

(01:22:57):
that none of this matters and that you could just
do whatever you want. I'm sure it's creeping into other
fans and coaches and stuff like that. Otherwise, why are
you going for it on fourth down from your own
thirty when you're still in the game. Why are you
going to set Oklahoma State up for a score so
you can't can't come back, especially when you haven't been
able to move the ball in the second half. You

(01:23:19):
have several coaches all over the conference rotating quarterbacks to
try to figure out the best fit. You were playing
against Oklahoma States team that played three different quarterbacks two
weeks in a row to try to figure out the
best thing. But you believe wholeheartedly in your freshman who

(01:23:39):
didn't even get reps up until two weeks before the
season started. He was supposed to be the third string quarterback.
You believe in him so much that you won't even
try anything else. The offense is stalled out, the running
game's not working. Nobody that you convinced to stay back
at wide receiver is getting any opportunities. And I want
to rock with Kenny Dillingham no matter what. But at

(01:24:00):
the same time, it's not like Trenton Borga is an
unknown commodity. We saw what he could do, yeah, and
he did it pretty much in every game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Isn't Isn't this a major problem though, because you have
already inserted Jaden Rashada right, and by doing so, you
were either saying one of two things. Either he gives
us the best chance to win right now, or we
believe that in a few weeks of experience he will

(01:24:30):
be better than that. Because of that experience and the
growing pains, that he will be better than what Trenton
Borgay or anybody else on the roster could be, and
we will be much better off halfway through the season.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Eight ranked teams on your schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Now, No, no, no, I'm saying that when you make
that choice, that you're saying one of those two.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Things, right, And I'm saying the second thing could be
applicable if there weren't eight ranked teams on your schedule,
growing pains are going to be very, very painful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah. And the other part of it is is the
other decision that could be factored in is are you
trying to win right now because you don't have a
Bowl or are you trying to gear up for next year?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Right? And if I'm saying that, if it's in my
head every time they play Madden and just go forward
on fourth down, then it's got to be in their
head too that like, ye, what could it hurt if
we go for Ford on fourth and we get it,
we look smart. If we don't get it, like, no
loss matters, That's what. That's this weird thing where you
just have this safety net. But I think playing Jay

(01:25:40):
and Rashada is a way to say, like to players
all over the country, come be part of this. This
is going to be your quarterback. But players all of
the country they want to win, So they're also looking
at Colorado right now, Colorado's moving the ball. They're looking
at UCLA with a freshman quarterback in place. Ucla is
moving the ball. They're looking at other Pac twelve schools

(01:26:02):
who don't have their quarterback situation completely settled. And Utah
has already said we're going to take do what it
takes to win. Now, we're going to make a change.
Cal has gone back and forth on quarterbacks twice, part
of its injury related, but there's still trying to figure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
It out out right. If you take Rashada out, this
is where you have to make the right decision at first,
because if you take him out now, you are messing
with his confidence a little.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Bit, unless you take him out for Drew Pine. And
this is my problem with the direction that Arizona State's
going right now. They've set it up in the media
that they have an out to get Jade and Rashada
out of there if he's not ready. As long as
they make the switch to Drew Pine, that's the only
way you can justify pulling Jayden Rashada. But Drew Pine

(01:26:50):
doesn't give you your best chance to win. Trenton Borgae
does cannot justify.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Removing why would you go to Drew Pine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Here's my theory. Pete Damil has had everything on ASU
since Kenny Dillingham has taken over. Kenny Dillingham. I can't
say it's him, but somebody within the program is using
Pete Damil to get it out there before anybody else
that Jayden Rashada is going to be the starting quarterback.
Get it out there before anybody else that there was

(01:27:22):
a self imposed bull band. And the third thing that
Pete Damill had before anyone else is that Drew Pine's
going to be healthy sometime in the next week and
a half. Why would Pete Theamill need to even be
talking about Drew Pine. Why Why would it even matter
if Jayden Rashad is your quarterback? Why would Pete Damill
be putt stuff out about Drew Pine. It's because you're
one out. You're one out with Jaden Rashatta. If he

(01:27:45):
continues to struggle, is to make the switch to Drew Pine.
And I don't like that. Trenton Borgat is the one
that's caught up in this because you took the risk.
And if he had come out and he had looked good,
and he has looked good in the first half of
two games and he's looked unplayable in the second half
of two games. If he came out and looked good,
then you have nothing to worry about for the rest

(01:28:06):
of the season. But if he came out and he
didn't look good, then you have to be able to
swallow your pride and say, maybe I made the wrong call,
but the wrong call happens to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Drew Pine's a sophomore. So if you put.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Drew sophomore, he's said he's a sophomore like like I like,
I'm team He's a draft eligible sophomore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Yeah, okay, So so being a sophomore, that means that
Rashada could have to sit for potentially three more years.
That means that. And I talked to Kenny Dilliham. He
told me this out of his own mouth, that his

(01:28:51):
plan for his quarterbacks is is to uh because I
think Bear Bachmeier is committed in twenty five, is to
take a but oh oh yeah, yeah, Butters, yeah, Butters
is committed for twenty twenty five, and that it's important
to get your quarterback right because he doesn't want to

(01:29:14):
recruit a quarterback every single year. He wants to do
it every other year to keep and then bring in
a walk on as well, to keep the room like
salvageable the way you always have a decent room. Yeah,
and that way, because he was like, if you have
him stacked up too much, guys will hop into portal.

(01:29:35):
I actually think that he's gonna see that as a
flawed strategy only because like maybe you recruit a five
star or one one year, maybe you get a three
starter next year, then try to recruit up again. But
your three star could turn out to be your guy though,
So it's so it's tricky. But he's worri about attrition

(01:30:00):
in the in the room, and I get it, and
it's a smart idea, but I think an actual application
because players do get hurt sometimes and because you have
to have some type of depth in your room. But
it's harder to keep depth in your room now with
the transfer porter at the quarterback position, I think he's
going to have to take one every single year. I

(01:30:22):
just don't know how you do it otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Well, at Oregon State, at Oregon State, they took bo
Nicks over Ty Thompson at Oregon Yet Oregon, Yeah, and
it worked out to Bo Nicks over Ty Thompson worked
out there at Florida State. They had the quarterback controversy.
They had three different guys that were playing. His guy
was Jordan Travis, and Jordan Travis has put himself in
a position where people are mentioning him next to the

(01:30:47):
H word. So you know, he has a resume where
he can talk to recruits and he can get good quarterbacks.
But there's going to be a bump in the road
of that resume if the risk that he took starting
the youngest quarterback when that quarterback thought he was coming
in to be a third stringer ends up not not
working out. You have to be able to move the
ball period like you you have to, and so right now,

(01:31:09):
they've had some explosive plays in the first half and
in the second half, they would have been better off
punting on first down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Like bro, it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
You were going forward on four to three times and
you're not getting any of those times. So you're giving
them the ball in good field position every single time.
You'd have been better off with your defense on the field.
So your offense is playing offense for the other team
when they give them the ball at the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Thirty Okay, let's okay, I want to be as objective
as possible, right, So in the in the second half,
hold up? So yeah, So the third quarter, so the
end of half, Arizona State got the ball back. They

(01:31:59):
went thirty five yards on six plays and turn the
ball over on downs. They turned the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Ball over on how long are punts?

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Forty plus yards?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Okay, so I'm right, so far.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
So they turned the ball over on the Oklahoma State
forty so they were in plus territory. Okay. Then the
next drive five plays, fourteen yards for a pick.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Better you'd have been better off punting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
And then the next drive six plays for fifteen yards,
which they did, punt, so yes, and punt it. The
next drive three plays for six yards and a punt.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Might as well punt it on first down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
The next drive four plays turnover on downs.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
You definitely should have punted on first down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
And you turned it over on downs on your oh
my god, on your own thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
They went forward on fourth and two in their own.
Oh Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
That's what I'm trying to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
That a lot at Oregon, except for they were in
a better position like they were dominating people and getting
fourth downs.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Okay, you mean they weren't down five points, yes, down
five points. I would have punted, yes, so you see
what I'm saying here. Oh wait, yeah, and it was
still six minutes to go in the game. Yeah, I
would have punted, and then Arizona and then Oklahoma State
scores of course, and then the next drive, which you

(01:33:29):
have to they go for it on seven plays thirty
seven yards and they turned it over. So yeah, the
second half was not good. Let's just say that. Yeah,
the score would have not been I do not believe
the score would have been a twelve point Oklahoma State

(01:33:51):
win if as you punted on first down every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yes, and it would have because you would have given
them so many more play bro. It's the amount of
they would have had.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
They would have had the same amount of possessions in
worse territory because the interception and the one that happened
on the thirty three.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
No, just punt on third down, I mean on fourth down,
like you're you're opposed to when your offense is struggling,
all right, yeah, because see I'm a big proponent of
going for it on fourth down, except for when your
offense is struggling, might elite like like they have been.
Like at that point in time, you're not winning. It

(01:34:33):
was third and one and they ended up in fourth
and two. Then they went for it on fourth and two.
I would have punted. But anyways, do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Think Arizona State would have been better in that second
half of Trenton Borg at quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Are you are?

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Are?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Are you asking me to be honest here?

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Yes, I'm asking you to take everything you saw from
trent borga last year, which was like throwing for four
hundred yards in a game, and would he have been
able to complete a few passes?

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Yeah? Yeah, he would have been better in the second half.
Rashoda was good in the first half though.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
No, he was fine on the first half of both games.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
But he so you got to fix. So you gotta
fix halftime. Leave his ass out on the field at
half time. Don't let him go to the locker room.
Don't tell him, don't tell him it's the halftime.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
All right. Well that was We spent a lot of
time talking about a loss of the team that I follow.
So I feel terrible now, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
All right? So Pack twelve top the Pack twelve Power
Rankings and you your.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Team was down nine late in the third. I just
want to throw that out there. They almost lost.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
No, no, we didn't almost lose. There's no such thing
as almost losing. You either win or you lose, all right,
So Pack twelve power rankings, and how we do these
is last week I made the rankings, and then Ralph
got a chance to change two teams, and then I

(01:36:06):
get a chance to go correct his mistake and and
change two teams, and we ended up and those are
our consensus rankings. This week, Ralph made the rankings, and
I put out my pack to I put out my
college football power rankings as they should be, and it
came out like that, and it was pretty much the

(01:36:27):
same order that Ralph did, considering that we had eight
ranked teams, except for he had one difference than I had.
So and so Ralph sent them over to me, and
his ship was perfect. It was literally perfect. And I
couldn't even argue he switched one that I didn't have.

(01:36:49):
But I couldn't even argue. I was like, yeah, I
can make I can make sense of that. So Ralph,
good job. You made the PAC twelve power rankings this year,
and they were spotted I'm well this week and they
were spot on. All right, so USC number one? George,
did you just change them with Oregon? Did you feel

(01:37:10):
like that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Yes, based upon what USC has done, they deserve to
be number one in the power rankings. For people who
are like he's not objective, Yes, I am Oregon two,
Washington three, Oregon State four, Colorado five, Utah six, Washington

(01:37:36):
State seven, Ucla eight, Cal nine, Arizona ten, Arizona State eleven,
and Stanford twelve. I do think we're getting to a point,
depending on what happens this weekend, that we might have
to argue about eleven and twelve. But I digress.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
I feel good about the rankings. Though Utah could be
number one or that could be number eight. It's it's
a very strange situation there and not be very healthy.
I hate to do this, I really hate to do
this because I'm done talking about Arizona State. But we
do have to go over this Fresno State minus three line.

(01:38:20):
Oh yeah, for the purposes of the contest, So Fresno
States three at ASU seven thirty kickoff FS one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
I am going to oh man, see see this is
a tough one. What's the over under a net.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
One uh over under in this game is the and
a half.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Okay, so Fresno State already beat Perdue thirty nine thirty five,
then they beat Eastern Washington thirty four thirty one. I'm
taking him over Arizona State. I'm taking the Bulldogs to
start three and oh with Jeff Tepbert and yeah, yeah,
they got a young, young quarterback who's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yeah I'm not just pretty good. No. If o Knicks
had declared Oregon was going all in on myke Keing, yep,
I told you this, yep, key is he was u
s f uh. He is from the state of Arizona. Yeah,

(01:39:35):
I asked for one reason. Multiple time high school football
champion out there he is. He's like a shark man,
dead mine eyes. He has gotten purpose and it is
to move them all down the field. He's just uh,

(01:39:55):
And I don't he's gonna be coming home. He's gonna
be playing in front friends and family against his old
high school coach who is Arizona State's running backs coach.
And I think he's gonna embarrass Arizona State. So I'm
gonna take Fresno and hope that asks you and score
enough to make the overhit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Ooh yeah, fifty and a half is tough because this
could be like a thirty five to fifteen game. But
I'm gonna take the I am going to take the under.
I'm gonna take the under, but I'm still taking Fresno State.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
What I don't want to see. I don't want to
see a quarterback from the State of Arizona who Arizona
State didn't recruit put up three years pass and while
Janivers Shot has another one for eleven second half. That's
what I don't want to see. Some of my hope
is to get stuff right from Shot this week, and
fresh State's defense hasn't been good, so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yep, so so you're saying there a chance? All right?
Oh and the final thing up, we had the Player
of the Week contest this week. Your boy is three
and oh our.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Ralph three points to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Oh sorry, sorry, yes, so he took. So Ralph took
Jaden Ott who was twenty two touches eighty four yards
and a touchdown, and me I got Damien Martinez seven
carries for one oh four, including a sixty four yard touchdown.

(01:41:41):
Baby breeze through that one, breeze through it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
All. Right, yeah, thank you, Thank you Cal's offense for
doing absolutely nothing for you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
All right, So who are you taking this week?

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Me? Uh, it's a tough week because there's not a
lot of you. You could really stat pad. I feel
like this week because there's a lot of lower level competition,
I need points. So going to the quarterback to catch
up to you is probably not the best idea, but

(01:42:22):
I don't want to burn a player that could be
good later.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Yes, I am going to say, God.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
This is tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Let
me go with your guy. Let me switch it up
and go with Damien Martinez two years last week get
a win?

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Okay, so oh San Diego State, so he actually might
get a decent amount of carries in his game. All right,
So I am going to come back this Oh this
feels risky. Oh, this feels risky because I really don't
like taking quarterbacks because that's that feels like low hanging fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
So you're gonna tell you this point, you just got
to try to sit on your lead. You want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Yes, So part of me to sit on my lead.
I was like, oh, I'll just take Michael Pennock Junior.
Or I could be frisky and take Jadeen Delora against UTEP.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
That could be good. It also could be the worst
you've ever made in your life. That's or experience.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
All Right, I'm going with Michael Pennis Junior. Man, I'm
going with Mike Michael Penick Jr. I'm taking a quarterback.
Even though I only get one point for it. Feel
safe for that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
I feel safe for there, all right, feel safe and
the Watchington quarterbacks armed. I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Hey, and this will be the one game that he
turns into a pumpkin his whole career.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
All right, Well, yeah, it's we gotta have like entity
rules on. It's gotta be like four points for a
PAS touchdown or something, because it's gonna be tough with
a quarterback. But I gotta I gotta catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
So yep, Well you guys. I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amasdon.
This is the PAC twelve Apostles. Peace out, catch you
guys later.

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