Week 7 Review, AP Poll, Attendance, CFP Playoff, Power Rankings

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:43):
All right, okay, that's positive news.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well I'm not sure whether it's positive news or not,
but it's damn sure maddening. What's going on in the
PAC twelve right now? George, what are you talking about
with something? Something's maddening. Uh, yeah, it's maddening.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You have.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oregon and Washington doing seven million plus viewers. This is
the threshold for a great rated college football game that
they look to is four million or more. You've had
a bunch of Colorado games be over four million, Oregon
games being over four million. And you're just like, hmm,

(02:25):
how much would the if they were in negotiations now,
or if the Pac twelve had gotten its football act
together prior to this year, how much would those negotiations
have been worth? Ralph like, it's maddening to see Kirk
Herbstreet and Rhys Davis on television, saying they believe the

(02:47):
PAC twelve has that has can get two playoff teams.
In almost fell out of my chair. And this is
in the year that the conference is disbanding. I am happy,
but I'm also wanting to throw things.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, Herbie compared twenty twenty three Washington to twenty nineteen LSU.
My eyes about fell out of my head. I don't know, man,
you probably at least probably at least get forty million
per team and maybe throw in like three free months
of Spotify in there or some some some extra perks.
What's going on? Yeah, in this conference, I mean things

(03:26):
are good, man, things are really good. I mean, but
they're good and they're dying off.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Dude, dude, It's like you ever, Yeah, it's like when
is the worst three?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
When you.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Termined?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Oh the I r s.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh, yes, yes, yes, exactly, yes.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Winning the lottery when you know, have you ever walked
out of a Have you ever walked out of like
a funeral or awake and been like, man, that was fun. Yeah,
you kind of forget why you were there? Correct?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yes, yes, yes, that that happened at my grandmother's funeral
where where everybody was super happy and excited. But actually,
I mean, I guess that's the way it's supposed to be.
It's like a celebration of life. So we're having a
PAC twelve celebration of life right now.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, Well, this one heck of awake for sure, and
and just like it at a spectacular wake. Some of
these games are drunk.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
This last week.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yes, they are bro.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Shut out to Colorado, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So the not only are the PAC twelve ratings good
where we haven't seen ratings like like this in PAC
twelve history, the attendance in the PAC twelve is going
crazy as well. You have attendant so far up, dude,
that it that Colorado's obviously up massively because I mean

(04:48):
they had nowhere to go butt up, and they had twelve.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
They're up over.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Ten million, ten million people in their ten million, t
thousand people in their stadium. Every single week UCLA is
sold out for Colorado. Me and the fam will be
in attendance for that one. Oregon State is up eight

(05:14):
eighty one hundred. I mean, part of that's probably due
to them getting a new stadium renovation and it being
a little bit bigger. Arizona State's up six thousand, despite
despite their their football club not being able to go
to a bowl game and not going to a bowl
game even if they could. So yeah, I mean, but

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then you have teams like you see it like you
I'm sorry, Yeah, like Utah who in Oregon and Washington who,
there's no way that their attendance could go up because
they're basically sold out every single week, and.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Those resale numbers though that secondary market, it's how you
can tell you got to stadium that's always sold out, well,
like what are the what are the the resale tickets
going for? Like how hard is it to sneak into
a game last minute? And you know, I think you
even even with stadiums that sell out, you can tell
there's an extra level of excitement.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yep, yep. Now.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But there's also other news in the in the PAC
twelve and that is so attendance is up, Ratings are up,
which is super super positive for the for the schools
and especially as they had and transition over, Like even
if they were transitioning over now, I think that Oregon
would get a better deal, Washington would get an even

(06:40):
better deal, and so would Arizona and Colorado as they
head into the Big twelve like those like they would
have been sitting there like hey, hey man, don't come
with no fifty percent for us.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
We need we need SETD, we need seventy five.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah yeah, I mean everybody with Stanford, right, but because
Stanford doesn't need the money, but you know it. To me,
this last year of of Pac twelve football feels very
much like a couple. You know, things haven't been going
well for a while. Uh, they're fighting and uh and

(07:22):
they decide to break up and then all of a sudden,
haven't seen each other in three months. But in that
three months they both went to therapy. They both got
in the best shape of their life. They show up
for mediation and it's like, oh, we do we make
a mistake because here the Pac twelve is in the
best shape that we've seen it in years. USC is relevant,

(07:42):
the Pacific Northwest is relevant. Uh you know, we got
we got coaches in the state of Arizona that you
you could believe in. Moving forward, Uh, Utah has continue
to dominate the Dion phenomenon, all of the Heisman contenders. Uh,
you know, recruits coming back home, like dj U, like

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this type of stuff is making the the PAC twelve
super super appealing, but the decisions aren't even made and
so and I'm yeah, it's like there is no moment
of complete joy watching any of this, because even even
Colorado Stanford right, one of the i mean bizarre games

(08:28):
of the year, but one of the games of the year.
When you have a team this down twenty nine nothing
that drops the thirty six points in the second half
to send it to double overtime and gets a win
and it's probably their first and only, like maybe last
conference win ever in the PAC twelve, you have something
like that happen, you can't even enjoy it in the
moment because you know Colorado and Stanford are never gonna

(08:52):
play again. Yeah, there's not gonna be a get back
game for Colorado. We would have we would have hyped
Colorado Stanford round two like it was like Haggler Hearns
round two, like we would have you and I on
this show.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
That would have been yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Matchup that no one has ever cared about ever in
Colorado Stanford, and we we can't do that. That's the worst.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yep, yep one. It's it's frustrating because it's frustrating because
you already know that that a lot of these matchups
aren't going to be seen again, and we don't know
you know it will it will? It be five years

(09:43):
from now, we'll see them again ten years from now,
Like these are going to become now non conference matchups.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
And as the conferences.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Expand their their schedules, I mean except for the SEC.
The SEC's adding two more teams, are like.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Nah, we're staying at eight games?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Fan where eight games? Because and with the other conferences
adding and then adding nine conference games and all of
that stuff. Bro, it's gonna get tricky because one of
these conferences is gonna go to ten conference games and
it's gonna get real tricky for scheduling. And then people
are gonna be laughing at the SEC saying, really, this

(10:21):
is this is what you're doing, This is what you's
so so you expand your conference and you think that
this griff is still gonna work with eight conference games. No,
not fam No, no, no, because I actually think that
the Big ten is super positioned two Like when you
look at Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State,

(10:48):
bro that Round Robin and yes, I'm not paying attention
to at like if we're talking about people watching it
on television Northwestern Rutgers, Maryland, like Indiana, Nebraska even like
it's not those aren't super appealing. But those seven teams

(11:08):
round robbining getting three games a year between them or more. Bro,
it's the The ratings are going to go off the
charts every single week and the people that Big Noon
Game Day and every other big time program is soon
to be us traveling around to every single game. It
is going to be madness trying to figure out which

(11:30):
one to go to.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, And it's in and for the
Big ten, it's about time because it's boring. Same stuff
happens every single year. It's it's you know, Michigan and
Ohio State out of the east with Penn State pretending
that it's the you know uh that that it's also relevant.
And then on the other side you have a different
team every year that's set up for the slaughter.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes, yes, you have air on the other side the
next year. And this is the worst year for them
to be in that city situation because there's so much
parody in college football and two of their teams will
have one loss, maybe three, and two of them won't.
They'll they'll be coin flipping and tie breaking to get

(12:14):
to the conference championship instead of two of them playing
in the conference championship. But I digress. Now Ralph ran
across an article, I'll let him explain it about the
PAC two, the two that are left Washington State and
Oregon State, and what they should do for the future

(12:35):
of themselves.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay, so there was an opinion piece put in Oregon
Live this last week by a guy named Rick Metzker,
who used to be an Oregon State senator, used to
also work as a sports editor, and is now the
legislative director at PAC West. And here is what he

(12:59):
is said saying that the two schools that are left
over should do. He's saying, excuse me, He's saying that
the pack two should stay together. So Oregon State Washington State,
and what they should do is appeal to the NC
DOUBLEA for a Hawaii exception. And if people don't know

(13:21):
what a Hawaii exception is is, it's if you agree
to travel to Hawaii, you can get an extra home
game and play thirteen games as a revenue boost, as
an incentive to you know, fly halfway across the Pacific
Ocean to go play the Rainbow Warriors. So what he's
saying is Oregon State, Washington State stay together and almost

(13:45):
do like what a BYU or a Notre Dame does
and just put together the absolute most beastly schedule. You
can incentivize the other teams that if they schedule somebody
in the pac two, they get a thirteenth game, so
that you can have Oregon State having like Michigan, Florida State,

(14:08):
Notre Dame, Clemson, like just big boys.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And and what he's saying is that will cause the
Pack two to survive and then they can have an
agreement with their other sports with the Mountain West. Uh.
But it will keep the it will keep the schools
alive because if you're playing a schedule like that, then
you're gonna get high level recruits.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
So are those thing gonna be by games?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Is the question? Like for the teams that they're playing.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So if they're scheduling, if Oregon State schedules Oregon or
Michigan or you know, Florida State, like you said, are
those day by games like where.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
They would they would almost have to be unless the
idea of a Pack two with a monster schedule is
something that Apple decides they one in on and they
can keep because the whole thing is about keeping Oregon
State and Washington State competitive. They're gonna take a massive

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budget hit.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
They is presenting themselves in a way where you could
be like home, Maybe that could happen and they won't
get their heads beat in every single week, which will
make it you know, like which which will make it fade.
But now with Washington State not holding up their end
of the job, yeah, it makes it look a little

(15:31):
sketchy there.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes, But so let's say that the PAC two can
go to Apple, who they they already had a little
bit of a relationship with uh in in trying to
save the PAC ten. Right, you don't say the Pack
two can go to Apple and they can say, we
have the PAC twelve network, we have all this equipment,

(15:55):
we can we can share in the broadcasts. Uh And
if the NCAA is willing to step in and say, like, hey,
we don't want West Coast Regional Football to be destroyed,
provide this incentive for anybody who schedules us with the
ability to play a thirteen game which will help them
in the in the know expanded college football playoff rankings

(16:17):
will build up this massive schedule. Would you want to
televise it? You know, at the TV, and so some
of them might be by games, and some of that
those resources might be made up by a television deal.
This is all Pie and the Sky thinking. But it's
one of the more innovative things that I've seen, because
the option right now really feels like these two teams

(16:39):
are going to have to drop down into Mountain West play.
I love the Mountain West, but the difference between the
Mountain West payment per team from like their CBS Sports
deal and the Pac twelve schools just in twenty twenty
two alone, that's a thirty three million dollar gap. You're
talking about the difference between thirty seven million and four million.
The Oregon State and Washington States football coaching staffs alone

(17:03):
make more than four million dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's gonna be bad. And you already have like Jake
dickerd out here having to answer questions about whether or
not he's interested in the Michigan State job. Oh dude,
they're gonna lose everything.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm telling you, John, if I were Michigan State. And
I know that this sounds mean and harsh. I would
have called Jonathan Smith and said, hey, yo, fam, do
you want this job? Because I got a great job
for you. I don't have a good job for you.
I got a great job for you, fam. And and

(17:37):
you're gonna like it, and you're gonna want it. And
instead of you making you know, four million dollars like
you're making, come over here and make eight and your
assistant pool whatever whatever it is, right right right now,
double it, double it or times two and a half.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
People talk about David Shaw having ridiculous allegiance to his
assistance when he was at Stanford. Oregon States have the
same OC, same DC for a minute, they have one
of the best offensive line coaches in a country.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like and what he has benefited anybody to bring that
whole that whole crew over.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. And if he's got the opportunity to not only
increase his salary because he's he's he could be the
type of person that's like, yo, I make four million dollars,
Like I'm gonna make fifty million dollars over my career.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Like I'm I'm good, you know, I mean, But.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I'm in the town where I've played.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yes, yeah, like I'm I am good, But now my assistance,
how can I like, how can he not have a
responsibility to the guy to the coach making two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a year that'll get to make
six hundred thousand dollars a year, or the coordinator that's
making eight hundred thousand or six hundred thousand, where he

(18:55):
can make one point two one point five. How does
he not have a responsibility to that person and that
person's family who's bought into to him. Like that's the
that's the part that people don't always calculate, is that
it's not just the head coach. It's there if they've
had longtime assistance and they're not making bread like that,

(19:18):
I mean, how do you? How do you? How do
you not.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Right? And that's how Michigan State ended up with Meltucker
because if you remember, mel Tucker turned Michigan State down. Yep,
they upped that assistant pool to what like seven dollars,
and all of a sudden, he has the ability to
positively affect the lives of twenty twenty five people. He
took it.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, and his assistants were like, and mal, can we
talk for a second.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Oh yeah, as long as it's not on the phone.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yep, all right, Oh damn, all right? Last he is
the the the lawsuit, because is the lawsuit the Oregon
State Washington State are trying to fight for sole legal custody.
This is like a custodial disagreement. They are fighting over

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the legal rights of the decision making where they should
go to school, who gets to decide the medical decisions
for the kids, who gets to control of the finances.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
This is literally like a divorce.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
This is, you know, the custody case, and Washington is
now trying to be a party to that case so
then they can add the other defendants and then get
it dismissed.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Do you have a side? Have you picked a side here?
Do you think that Washington State and Oregon State should
be in control of how finances are distributed in the
PAC tolls last year and moving forward, as well as
how bills get paid, because let's stop forget the PAC
twelve seventy two million dollars to Comcast.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, and people were like, wait, I thought it was
fifty minutes. Listen, it's the new the real numbers have
come out. We're at seventy.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Six million per team.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, so the question is should Oregon State in Washington
State be solely in control of that? Absolutely not, because
they were all and should they be the only people
responsible for that?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
No either, because all twelve teams got them into this mess.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
You'd be like, no, it wasn't. Their father was Larry
Scott in the conferences.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Uh, all twelve of the presidents which only like one
or two of them are left now, that kept hiring
Larry Scott. They got them into this mess. They kept
re re upping this dude when he puts out a
company wide email update update, I just want to let
everybody know I got a new contract to lead you
all further. That was the most d bagg thig of

(22:02):
all time. Bro.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
That was a Ron Burgundy Ron Brigny from Anchorman moment. Hey, everybody,
come see how good I look Cannonball exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So, I do believe that since they're going to be responsible, Like,
if if the teams aren't going to be responsible for
that at all, then no, they shouldn't have any say so.
But if they are going to be responsible for it,
then yes, they should have some control over that, but
anything for the but like, but then there goes the

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question of the basketball credits, because there's still a lot
of basketball credit money coming in and you could have
one or two teams in the College Football Playoff this year.
That's six to twelve million dollars plus other money that
comes in ancillary money from that, and the conference is
breaking up. So yes, there are people that should have

(22:58):
say so over it. If I mean, if you did
not contribute to it, then no. But but if you're
going to be responsible for it, hell yeah, Like like
you can't make me have to pay for something and
me have no say so over over the money that
I'm putting in.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Did you have a problem, because I guess George Kleafkov
is on record under oath saying that USC and UCLA
agreed to be removed from any decision making when they
decided to.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Both they agreed to do that, they agreed.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
And do you think any of this money should be
used for relocation costs?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And and if it's money due to them, yes, but
but but only after the debts are paid off. Like
you don't get to high to even my arguanductor, you
don't get to high tail it out of out of
town after Michael Shield co signed Larry Scott coming coming back.
You don't get to high tail it out of town

(23:57):
and take the money. Hey yo, I got to use
all this money to move, but I'm gonna leave you
with the debt. Nah.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, I don't think that that's fair or right.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It is interesting that, like so, Washington has an opportunity
to go to college football playoff. If you make the
College Football Playoff semi finals, the conference gets a check
six million dollars. That's five hundred thousand per team. Because
I don't think the Back twelve is one of the
conferences that gives a bonus to the team that actually makes.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Arizona State is gonna take on Washington and if they
beat them, it's probably gonna cost them five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah,
that's it's it's a wild thing to consider. But you
know that that that is definitely motivation for Washington to say,
we want to be we want to be able to

(24:53):
have a say in how the money that we helped
bring into the conference, even if it's the end of
the conference, gets spent. The truth of the matter is,
though I think you gotta be careful how involved you
want to be, because will that increase your overall liability
to pay that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Come exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Now we gotta get to the games on the field.
The good news, and it started on Friday. It was
Friday night Pac twelve magic in again. I have no
desire for my team to ever play on Friday Night, never,
not under any circumstances against hell, maybe an equal opponent,

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but no desire to play against somebody who is Actually
I don't want to play against anybody on Friday night
because we could be up fifty to nothing and I'd
be nervous. And Colorado, who is not used to having success,
was up twenty nine to nothing on a bad Stanford team.

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And Colorado is the confidence crew. They exude confidence. And
they went to halftime, yeah, dancing and chadur sending out
I don't think he actually did it. Well, I hope
he didn't actually do it, sending out merch on his

(26:27):
Instagram at halftime. I mean, granted, that is optimal time
to do it, though, that is I will will say
marketing wise, that's optimal time to do it. But then
you can't go out in the second half and lose
a twenty nine and nothing lead. It was bad, Bro,
it was bad. And they let I am I am,

(26:53):
I am in.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
The four elick I am are, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Elick I am are wide receiver for the Stanford Cardinals
go for two hundred and not was it ninety four
seventy four? And how many yards had he had prior
to that game, Ralph?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Two hundred and seven?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So you let a.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Man with no credentials just.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Scorched, scorch you, I mean, there's no other way to
say it. They got they they got their lunch handed
to them. And the part that scares me about this,
it's not that they lost, Ralph. It's not that they lost,
it's the fashion in which they lost, because this team

(27:50):
committed seventeen penalties Ralph, seventeen.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
That that is a.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Ungodly amount of penalties. That's coaching, and it's not like
this is the first time that they've committed that many penalties.
You cannot commit that many penalties and win, you can't.
And they should have been double team. It was bad.

(28:19):
Stanford committed seven penalties for seventy three yards, Colorado seventeen
for one to twenty seven, multiple personal fouls a lot
of pre procedure penalties, like you can deal with the
occasional holding stuff like that, but.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
They killed themselves.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
They allowed They gave Stanford two extra first downs in
the fourth quarter alone off of penalties, off of personal fouls,
and there's no bueno.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I don't I don't always have a problem with with penalties.
I do think it is reflective of coaching, whether you
can instilled discipline or not. But I don't have a
problem with with a team that gets penalized the way
that Washington did against against Arizona a couple of weeks ago.
Because sometimes you're moving the ball right. Sometimes it's because
you you know, you're you're holding to free somebody up

(29:11):
for a forty yard run and it gets called back.
Sometimes it's a show of dominance, you know. Sometimes you're
protecting your quarterback. Sometimes you're sending like in that Colorado
State game the other day. I don't know if you
saw that where a player got hurt before halftime, So
in the third quarter, Colorado State offensive lineman came out

(29:33):
and just blew a dude up just to send a message.
Sometimes the penalties have to do with that. But when
they're procedural when they're when they're fatigue based, lack of
discipline based. All that's going to do is it's hurt
your ability to win. This felt very much to me
like the kids that typically have a good time on

(29:54):
Friday night and the kids that typically have a test
study four on Friday night. Some people were ready to
put in work in the second half and some people
were ready to go have a good time because twenty
nine to nothing like to be able to overcome something
like that is insane. And Stanford did what Stanford does.

(30:14):
They they're the smart kids, right. They found something that
worked and they exploited it over and over and over
and over and over and over again. Colorado didn't do
anything to stop elek Iaman or they bracket him. Yeah,
they put Travis Hunter on him. But Travis Hunter is
one hundred and forty snaps deep into his first game
back off last last rated liver. He took one of
those brutal hits I've ever seen in my life on

(30:35):
his second touchdown catch, and he still got up, kept ticking.
But he can't do this all by himself, and he
got head topped in the absolute worst possible way, which
is gonna happen. So for anybody who's gonna write him
off as a as a defensive back, like no, failure
is part of being in the mix. But there should
have been some help there after the tenth catch for

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the two hundred and fiftieth yard or after the slam
where he ran at night.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Pretty much all he ran was slanting goes like that
was it. He wasn't running the whole route tree. He
wouldn't run in like comeback whip route like he wouldn't
run in every route and route tree.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, I don't know. This is adversity time. This happened
in Boulder. It's bad. Everything good that's happening for Colorado
right now. I feel like we've given their coaching staff credit.
But you know when you have Dion out here being like, well,
they just need to match my desire to win, Like
that's not all, that's not all.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
You're you're the more deficient. Yeah, you can't beat yourself,
like you're not good enough to beat yourself, Like that's
you're not good enough to spot the other team seventeen penalties.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
You are not good enough to do that. Georgia is
good enough to do that against you.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But but you know it don't work the other way around.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
So I believe.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
That this Stanford team is teetering right now because we
talked about the most important thing for them this year
was to keep hope alive, and this is one of
those potential hope killers because they would have been five
and two Ralph.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Five you're talking about Colorado.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yes, okay, they would have been five and two, one
sneaky win away from being bowl eligible, like going to
a bowl game. That would have been a massive win.
But you mean to tell me that they have a
bye week this week, they're gonna come back and beat

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UCLA and then beat Oregon State, beat Arizona, Washington State
in Utah. They got a shot against Washington State, and
I guess technically a shot against Arizona. But like the
gate just got real narrow to getting a bowl game
because they're not beating Oregon State or Utah.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
It ain't happening, right And I and I had said
I believe that this team to be the most that
was gonna be the most talented and well coached too
and ten team in the country. I was obviously very
very very wrong. But they're their deficiencies are their deficiencies
can't play in man, can't stop the run, can't run
the ball, can't protect the quarterback, and and that that

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is not a recipe for winning. That's not a recipe
for winning. So you have to do all the little
stuff right to make up for that. They're not doing
that right now. Now, would you agree? Would you agree
with this statement? The good guys won last Friday and
the bad guys lost.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The bad guys I mean, I mean, I guess if
you if every team that you play against is bad guys,
that it feels very dog whistley to me.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna read your tweet from Fisher Anderson,
former five star tackle who is who is on the
Stanford roster at of Franklin, Tennessee. This is his tweet
and it is pretty incredible. He said a few thoughts
on last night. Good always wins out, no matter how
bleak it looks. When coach Taylor got hired, he told

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everyone to stay and believe. Coach Prime told everyone to leave.
We are programmed builders. They are mercenaries. I believe in
Stanford football. You should too. What do you think of
that tweet? Also? What is it about playing Colorado that
brings the absolute WWE out of everybody.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Dude, it is absolutely gross. Bro, it is gross. What
it's gross what people have to say, like like stuff
like that. It's almost like like he doesn't understand the

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temperature in the room of his own team and his
own situation. He doesn't because if he did, he would
be saying something completely different about like he doesn't know
how far away Stanford is because they think that because
they got this win, they're moving in the right direction.

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And yes, they may be coaching in philosophy wise, but
you need players. Stanford has to change their philosophy as
a university. They don't let they can't keep fifth year seniors.
That's why they all transfer out because they graduate, and
then they won't let him in grad school. They can't
get players in through the transfer portal. I think they've

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gotten like two total ever, and.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
It's Taylor's saying you to stay because he can't replace you. Yes,
he does not have the ability to replace you.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
And that's the hard part is that is that I
want to I want people to understand that that's a
real thing, that that that Stanford has a major problem
going forward.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
And that's okay.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know what really hurts Stanford was Besides every single
new rule change UH in in college sports over the
last few years, the early signing day.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yes, because that's hard on.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Because that they they're not even finished with Like people
who are considering Stanford aren't even finished with going through
the admissions requirements until after the early signing day comes
and goes, and there's so much pressure. We thought early
signing Day was going to help, and instead all it

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did was have coaches of the country pressure kids into
getting this done as early as possible, whether they had
their mind made up or not. You had kids signing
letters of intent because they were told there won't be
a spot for you if you wait until the typically
regular signing day in February. But if Stanford's not even
ready to accept a kid, and it comes down to like, hey,

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you've got a spot at USC, or you've maybe got
a spot at Stanford, they're gonna take the spot at USC.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
You are one hundred percent right about that, buddy, right
about that, because at what point in time, at what
other point in time are and Stanford, Like if you're
gonna go to Stanford and you're trying to and they
want you to sign early they're gonna get you to
go through the whole admissions process and it'll be done

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in like around December. And that's still a long time
for for kids to wait. That's still a long time
for kids to wait and be like, I don't know
if I'm gonna take this one, buddy, I don't know
if I should take take this one. Hey man, it's
it's absolutely tough too. It's tough. Now on to the

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next game, because that one was an absolute shocker. You
had the California Golden Bears fourteen, utaw you thirty four.
Utah dominated this football game. Cal still has a problem.
They thought they had a quarterback and now and now

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he's hurt and it was not a good look. And Utah, dude,
how is a vaky out out here like their leading rusher?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah? Uh. When I heard that Utah was gonna be
playing a safety at running back, my assumption was that
it was that he would also not be playing.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yes, no, he wouldn't. Travis Hunter, he did.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
And I'm trying to remember, did Micah Bernard last year
when they had to use him at defensive back or
maybe that was two years ago. He wasn't out still
getting handoffs. Was he or was he playing on both sides? Yes?

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I mean yes, he did play on bothall in the
bowl game.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I believe you can't. That's not sustainable recipe for success
long term. But it is cool that between Vaki and
ja Quinn and Jackson who used to be a quarterback,
they got two hundred and sixty rushing yards and three
touchdowns against Cal. Cal should be embarrassed by that. Cal
should be a lot of things, but it seems like
they're really just going through the motions they Mendoza played

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well ish, he also he had a bad well they
didn't protect him. He got blown up and fumbled and
then he had a bad interception. Finley came in, wasn't
able to do anything and made it pretty obvious that
Mendoza should be the quarterback moving forward if he's healthy
enough to go. But they are uninspired. They don't use
the town talent in the way that they possibly could.

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When this game was twenty four to seven, it might
as well have been one hundred thousand to seven.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Really, you said one hundred thousand broad.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, I mean Colorado up twenty nine on Stanford versus
Utah up twenty four to seven. On col You know,
I'm not saying I believed that Stanford could come back,
but all of Colorado's warts are still their warts. Yeah,

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Utah getting up three scores on you with that defense,
good night.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah. It would take a lot of turnovers on Utah's
behalf for that not to work.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
And Bryson Barnes say what you want about him. I'm
not the most talented guy in the world. He's not
turning the ball over. Doesn't turn the ball over at all.
Ye Utah does not turn the ball over. And you
it is so to this point impossible to run on them.
They will not let you run. Yep, there's something else, man,

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just defensively. Offensively, they lost another tight end out for
the season. Who knows if Cam Rising's ever going to
play for them again. I don't think he should personally
apply for.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
A medical red shirt and then get back to it
next year, or you gotta just chance it and be like, listen,
I know I'm not going to be a high draft pick,
and I'm just gonna work work my way that way.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I mean, but not not being a high draftic sucks, bro.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
It makes it like the gate becomes very narrow to
you having a long NFL career.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
So you think he should go the route of super
duper senior. I hope they bring in a freshman and
can replace him maybe in year two.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, well, they are bringing in.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Zach Wilson's brother, Isaac Wilson as a freshman next year. Well,
he's in the class of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Four, and he's kind of what he's on. He's on
the shorter end, but he's been awesome in high school, right.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, and he hasn't played against the greatest kind
of competition in the whole world, but he's been lights
out and he played good against Gorman. So I mean, well,
they got to do something at quarterback if they want to,
otherwise they're going to look like every big twelve team that.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah, they're gonna look like Baylor right now.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, exactly, yep.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
All right, next game up, uh, the Arizona Wildcats at
Washington State. They started Noah Fafieda because remember Jedfish said,
if Jaden Delora is not one hundred percent healthy, he

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made sure he's at one hundred percent. We're starting Noah
no Fafieda. Noah Flafiita went out there and fafeeded is show,
showed his fafea. Yeah, he went out there and showed
his fafiita and to the tune of thirty four for
forty three for three forty two. And you know what

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the most important thing he didn't do, Ralph, he didn't
turn the ball over. Didn't turn the ball over. He
didn't throw a touchdown, but he didn't turn the ball over.
They ran in five touchdowns. And why shouldn't say looks bad? Actually,
let's let's focus on Arizona first, because at this point

(43:40):
in time, they can't go back to Jayden Delora. Right,
Oh well.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I don't know, maybe maybe not.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
No, they can't.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Ralph, shouldn't. Should and can't are two different things. Should
it and camp are two different things.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Dude're gonna go crazy if he goes back.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Some of their fans are already crazy. They'll just anyway.
I've had I've had a couple of wild experiences with
some some U OFA fans online in the last couple
of weeks. But I let me ask you this first,
as somebody who played college football at a very high level,
how many players are one hundred percent at any given

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time during the season? Anybody is anybody one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Oh, that's that's rare, bro, that's rare.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I just was making sure because I was like, one
hundred percent is uh? You know, three weeks off at
a spa, yes, getting massages every day, drinking green tea,
So you know the idea of him being one hundred percent,
you know, it's pretty funny. Arizona looks good. They look

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good defensively. Johnny Nansen was feeling himself because he's a
former Washington State defensive player and he was tearing up
that defense he used to play, or he was tearing
up the offense he's play against in practice. He looked
like he was having a really really good time. So
shout out to Johnny Nansen, because I know a lot
of people thought that hire was questionable and they brought
him over from UCLA. Washington State was up six to

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nothing in this game and then Unison.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Oh the hole fell in. They fell into a sinkhole.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, forty four points should have been more. Should have
been more. University of Arizona had three different times where
they didn't finish drives and they had to settle for
field goals, So this game could have been a lot
worse than it really was. Fefida looked very good. Washington
looked small and slow. Defensively, Arizona spread them out and

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then they'd hand the ball off right up the middle,
and I mean it was like ten twelve yards every time.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yep, it was.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
It was silly. And you know, Ted Roya McMillan is
so good at finding a spot and then parking there.
And then Fefida, his high school teammate, will throw it
eight nine feet in the air, so he'll just jump
up and go get it, and he's not afraid to
take a hit with his feet off. Then that's really
hard to stop. Jacob Cowing is a freak of a
route runner, and so you know he'll find seams and

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they'll get him the ball. What Arizona looked really really good.
What's crazy to me? This Arizona team, outside of Noah Fida,
not very different than the team that played last year
in Tucson and lost thirty one to twenty to a
Washington State team that is also not very different. Yep,
neither team is very different from what I mean Washington

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State's running back. I mean, they don't really have a
running game.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
At all, but go.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Go ahead and challenge them now, Ralph, because the last time,
did you last year, Yes, they came out ran the ball,
but I don't know if that can happen this week.
I don't know if their opponent this week is allowing
allowing running.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Dropping seven into cut. Who would have thought that if
you just drop, everybody in the coverage came or won't
know where to go with the football. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Masterful Points talked about this last year and we thought
that he had overcome that. But he's having trouble decision making,
and some of that has to be coaching. Some of
it's on on on him, like if you make it
even the least bit unclear for him and it's not

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like a point and click situation, he just freezes.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I don't hate Arizona's plan to just keep anything from
going over their heads. I don't hate it because it
while it didn't work against Washington, it did. I mean,
they demolished Washington State. There's some teams where it's not
gonna matter because they're not going to go over your
head anyway. So like in the ASU game, they probably
should be a little more aggressive, but I don't I

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don't hate it making making them try to a team
that can't run the ball have to be you by
running the ball was brilliant. Man. They look good. They
look really really good right now. They're disciplined defensively, even
if they're not all that talented, they can rush the
passer better than they have in the last two years.
And if Noah Fafita is not turning the ball over

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and they Tanner McLaughlin at tight end, that that's that's
an NFL ready flayer. Yes, And and at receiver they are.
I mean they're not Washington, but they're up there. They're
up there. They got a five star to come to
Tucson and he's playing like a five star. Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Well, well, the question is how many more five stars
can they get to go to Tucson?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Though, uh, I mean none? Is that harsh? First of all,
five stars don't play in the Big Twelve.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Wait, you said five stars don't play in the Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
They don't, well, yeah, they play. Well, if you don't
consider Texas and Oklahoma to be part of the Big Twelve,
then they don't consider them, so they're leaving.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Fighter stars don't typically play Arizona and they don't typically
play in the Big twelve. I think it's gonna be difficult.
I think they should just enjoy what they have. They
lost Elijah Rushing, maybe they'll get him back, maybe they won't.
Jetfish like kind of alluded to it because you can't
say somebody's name, you can't talk about recruiting if you're
a head coach. But in a press conference he was like,
anybody that we're recruiting, we're going to continue to recruit

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regardless of anything they've said or you know, so he
kind of made a little reference to that situation. But
I think they should enjoy what they have while they
have it, because this is a This is a unicorn situation.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
With t mac oh for sure. Just so you know,
as we're doing this, it just came across the wire.
Michigan is being investigated by the nc double A for
sign stealing and it's the Big Ten that is is
doing it because they sent out a notification to the

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sports books that Michigan had been sending people to their
future opponents and their college potential College Football Playoff opponents
games to go steal their signs.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Man, Okay, so you know where I went to school,
you know where I went to school.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, and I know what happened.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, so ASU did some sign stealing, but they did
it from the box during the game. That happens.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
That's I mean, it's fine from the box during the
game because that's not sign stealing. It's you're in the game.
That's no longer sign stealing, but advanced sign stealing.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Sending people out head is I don't like it. I
don't like I don't know. And you know, this is sports.
I don't think we're talking about like morality. This isn't
like Gaza strip Stone No, right, like this is sports.
But I don't I personally don't like the idea of
sending people to games to just like videotape. The I mean,

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this is all the stuff that that Belichick got in
trouble for, right, like this.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Is yeah, but he's the greatest coach of all time.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Of our maybe of our time, and our time might
be ending. No, So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Oh and another thing that came across, uh Jed Fish
says he's still unsure who will start this week.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
That's gotta be. Games have been shipped, right.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
It better be. It better be because this watched this
Arizona Wildcast team. I should have put them in my
top twenty five this week, like I was super super close.
But if they win this week, they're absolutely going in
all right. Next game up the UCLA Bruins versus the
Oregon State Beavers. I had a lot to say about

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this game. I'll let you go first because I don't
want to have to make the points twice and you
may make some of them for me.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
U c l A is the better team. And they
blew it. That's all I have to say. They they
they they looked better and they blew it. They Why
were they even trying to pass the ball? Oregon State
could not stop them. They couldn't yep and and and

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UCLA kept trying to do Oregon State favors by dropping
Dante Moore back. He threw multiple interceptions. We got sacked
five times. Now. Two of those were at the end
of the game when they were down twelve.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Fifteen for thirty four with three picks and including what
was that his third or fourth game in a row
throwing a pick six.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I don't know. That's bad, yes, yes, bad man.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, because he threw the in the Utah game, he
threw a pick six and then from there he's thrown
a pick six every single game, So that puts them Yeah,
I believe that's three games in a row that they've
lost that they have thrown pick sixes.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Chip Kelly's got to be better than getting baited by
Jonathan Smith. He's just got to be better than that
thirty four pass attempts. Like they put Colin Slee in
and I think he got banged up, but he was
doing whatever he wanted. Every running back was having success.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Yes, they ran.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Hibout fifty times, fifty times for two hundred and eighty
four yards. Do you do you know what U c
l A should have should have done the exact same
thing that Oregon State did versus Oregon last year when
they were like, oh, we're down big, Oh but they can't.
Let's let's see if they can stop us from running

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it every freaking down. Every down, We're gonna every single down,
we're gonna run it. And that's what U c l
A should have should have done. They should have turned
into air force.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
This was one of three games where I thank you
for bringing up air force. Uh. That hurts. As a
Wyoming fan, but they There are three games in the
Pac twelve this weekend where I feel like the better
team but only one where I felt like the better

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team helped themselves like they just because yeah, Dion could
have made an adjustment, Yeah, Landing could have been less aggressive,
but like you, Chip got baited. He got baited in
research to try and throw the ball when running was
working every single time, and it just backfired on them

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so bad. And that's not to say that Oregon State's
not good, but it is the same Oregon State team
that lost to Washington State. They're not They're not as
good defensively as they have been in previous years, and
offensively they're kind of slow, plotting, boring, almost, yes, but

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you don't want to give them extra opportunities because their
coach is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Okay, what do you what do you think about Aiden
Child's coming coming in because they.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, because a lot of it is red zone stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, because this wasn't just like the game was so
far are out of hand.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I thought a lot about that because can you it's
a lot of the same personnel for these red zone packages,
not completely, but a lot of the offensive line and
stuff like that. If you have somebody that just specializes
in red zone stuff and it's working. You know, how
much does it take away from your primary quarterback to
be running that red zone stuff and getting them reps

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in practice?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, because they want to get aiden child's experience, because
they're like and because ordinarily you don't bring your quarterback
out in these situation. No, they want him on the
field filling the moments that way next year when he's
their starting quarterback, dude. So, like DJ has another year left,

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I don't think he's going to be the starting quarterback
there next year.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I don't think he wants to have another year left, right,
Well true, yeah, if if at all possible, he would
go test NFL. So I don't know if I have
the right name here, but I think it was fifty three.
I think it was Darius Muasau. This game to me

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turned when when DJ threw a ball to Darius Muasau.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
And he dropped through it to him. Yes, and he.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Boun hands and went into Silas Bouldens.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yep, oh yes, yes, he caught. Yes, it went straight
through his hands. And you were like, oh my god,
because I was standing here and and Denisia and Button
had gotten into it because he thought she was cheering
for Michael Pennix because she was like, I like him,
he's cool, and so that caused a riff and he

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was like, let's go Oregon State.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
He started rooting against that's funny.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, and then he was like great past DJ.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
It was not. Oh. That was when I was like, oh, oh,
this is not gonna go well for you so late today.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
No, yes, that was when you knew that it wasn't
their thing. Okay, so question what should they do with
Dante more right now?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Nothing but work through it, make better decisions as a
coaching staff. If he's going to be your dude, he's
your five star quarterback, you want to have him around.
Chip Kelly was patient enough to go through the growing
pains with with Dorian Thompson Robinson.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
He didn't really have any body else though.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
No, you're you're right, But I think that's the move.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I think you're running a risk because you do have
a good football team right now.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
But he's trying to protect Garber's red shirt so that
he can transfer with dignity, right, Like, that's what's going
on here.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
True, and I do appreciate Chip for that, but He's
thrown six interceptions in the last three games. Uh, the
pick six against Utah, two against Washington State, even though
that they were able to win that game because cam
Ward was some kind of way worse. Then you had

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this Oregon State game. So I they.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Have an easy second half of their schedule, correct that
they're probably gonna get three or four wins. Stick with him.
That's that, And and the the Colin Schlee package doesn't
seem to be upsetting anybody. No, And he's taken the
damage that Dante Moore would have if he was out
here running around. So I say, keep doing what you're doing,

(59:50):
just be smarter as a coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Yeah, now now you have to go into protect him mode.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I got, which is you should be in with a freshman.
How many freshmen not even Kate Clubnick, Not even Kate Clubnick.
Is you're is able to just go out there as
a freshman and just be People bring up Johnny Manziel
like he wasn't a red shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Very true.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
It's an adjustment man. Who is the last freshman to
come in here and just be the guy as a
as an eighteen year old, a nineteen year old, even
Jade rashot is twenty and he's you know, like he
looks really good. Oh, it's still an adjustment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Who's who's Oh my god, the kid from Arizona who
went to USC, who's on like his fifth school right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Now, Keenan Slovs. Yep, yeah, yeah, he he he And
that was an air that was an air raid and
he was Kurt Warner was his high school coach, and
he you know, he was ready for that. But it's still,
you know, no, brock Party was good as fresh he's

(01:01:05):
better as a sophomore. It's I don't know. I think
you do have to protect him from himself. And they
should have done that against Oregon State because they really
should have won that game in my opinion. I know
you it's a twelve point loss, and I don't want
be fans to be like, you're not giving us any credit, Like,
first of all, you won, don't worry about it, and
second of all, like they you have to admit that,

(01:01:27):
Like if you were a UCLA fan, you would have
been pulling a what's his name, who's the coach of
South Carolina? Beamer? Yes, do you see what Biemer did
this last weekend? You broke and break. Yeah, if you
anybody who's a UCLA fan would have been pulling a Beamer,
this including Oregon State fans, Like they have to admit

(01:01:50):
that this was a very Oh yeah fans have to
if you said, how would you beat you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
This is exactly what I would do. This is exactly
what I would do. All right, Yeah, on to the
next game. The best games, Yeah for last, because these
were the best games, unless you consider the Colorado Stanford
game a good game when it really wasn't. It was
drama field. But yeah, Notre Dame hosting USC forty eight

(01:02:29):
to twenty, round forty eight to twenty, and dude, you
go on to USC message boards, it is not pretty
right now, it is not pretty. They couldn't even blame
Alex Grinch for this, despite giving up forty eight points.
They were like, the defense wasn't even bad. I mean,
it just hurts when you give them the other team
to ball on like the ten yard line. They had

(01:02:53):
five turnovers, bro, and the defense scored twenty eight points. Well,
Notre Dame scored twenty eight points on those turnovers. USC
is not getting turnovers like they were the previous year,
and I mean, it's it. It never fails that when
you are a team that when you get an outlier

(01:03:15):
number of turnovers like they got last year when a
defense really wasn't that good, but they found a way
to turn it over the next year, it never works
like that. It is always goes back in the other direction.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah. So one one thing I try not to do
is say a bunch of stuff, and I try not
to do the fan thing of all of the sudden
I'm frustrated about fifty things when one game was lost,
and and it's like, Okay, well you've been you could

(01:03:51):
have been complaining about all this stuff the whole time.
But I will say Caleb Williams hasn't really had much
of a challenge this year. I don't know if he
thought this was going to be easy. I don't know
if Notre Dames games against Duke in Ohio State and

(01:04:12):
Louisville tricked USC into what it was that they were
going to be facing. But no quarterback has had a
good time. Riley Leonard didn't, Jack Plumber didn't, Kyle mccorr didn't.
No quarterback has had a good time against this USC defense.
None of them teams have beaten Notre Dame running the ball.

(01:04:33):
I think we talked about, Yes, whichever running back had
had the most carries, it is probably gonna be indicative
of the of the score. How many carries did Marshaun
Lloyd have?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
George eight god at five point eight yards of carry.
He did have a thirty one year yard carry. But yeah,
I don't understand, Like, what what are you doing? Fam?

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah? And it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like
Esma had a great game he had ninety five yards.
It wasn't like Hartman had a good game. He only
threw the ball twenty times, because you don't need to
be going out there throwing the ball thirty seven like
USC did. It was like Notre Dame understood the weather
and they understood the assignment and USC did not. Now,

(01:05:23):
does this have giant implications on what's going on at
USC future? YadA, YadA, YadA. I don't think they were
out here trying to compete for a national title this
year anyway. College football playoff spot was a long shot,
but it could have been on them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
But everybody thought it was though, because they came in
the highest rank Pack twelve team and we knew better.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, well, they're not physical, they're not balanced on offense
and defensively, they don't tackle well, and they don't make plays,
they don't create turnovers, so that that's a lot of works. Well.
I think we talked about them in a very calm

(01:06:07):
and measured manner on this show. I'll tell you though,
if I was a UC fan and I was somebody
who was emotional, I would be mad at Cava Williams
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Why because he's it because he did force passes. But
you know you're you're you're bound to have a bad
game at one point in time, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yes, yes, But what fans do is they make excuses
for things that they would not excuse or that they
would attack if it was something that their rival was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
If every single time Dorian Thompson Robinson took the field
his nails were painted f usc USC fans will be like,
this is this is the stupidest thing we've ever seen. Correct,

(01:07:07):
When Caleb Williams does it, it's like his mom's a
nail tech. Didn't you know that? Right? I personally, I
don't care. I don't care. I think I think it's
I think it's using it to insult your opponent is childish.
It's the one thing about Caleb Williams that gives me

(01:07:28):
any pause whatsoever that he's not going to be like
the greatest NFL quarterback of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yep. Like I want a one hundred percent agree with
you that there are some things now. And I was
just talking to somebody who works at Nike about this
earlier who who's working with Caleb, and he was like, Yo,
nobody has bad things to say about Caleb, like people
around him, people like even even in private, they're like,

(01:07:53):
he's a good kid.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
And I was like, it's so weird because on one hand,
I see and I'm like, this should work. But then
there are some things that happened where I'm like, this
is a red flag. But then after I see the
red flag, I'm like, yeah, but it's not a But

(01:08:16):
it's not a red flag because the people are saying
something completely different.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yes, So I'll be honest as an outside observer of
the chilling on the sideline when they when they when
they do the sideline shots of you know, there'll be
a lot of quarterbacks standing up watch in the game,
buried in their tablet on the phone with the OC.
Sideline's busy, right yep, Caleb Williams. A lot of these

(01:08:41):
sideline shots are him on the bench, both arms stretched out,
hanging over, chilling, just waiting for his opportunity to go
out there and tear the defense up again. Right. That
level of cool, calm confidence fine when everything's going right,
but the moment that it's not, people are like, yeah,
this has been bother me the whole time. And so

(01:09:03):
what I'm saying is if I was a USC fan,
these are all the things that I'd be internally struggling with. Ultimately,
I if as as a like as an Arizona Cardinals fan,
I will tell you this. Every single time the Cardinals win,
I'm like, damn it because I I that's how I
feel about I want my NFL team to be miserable
this year. That's how much I love Kayleb Williams. Like,

(01:09:24):
because I know that either we'll get him or we'll
able to get a huge trade hall for somebody that
does get him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Well, you guys are not about the Florio thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
That came out about Yeah, I figured, but what do
you think about this Florio thing that came out about
him wanting equity in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Team that drafts him. I am going to hope that
that's not true, because if that is true, that is
not there is a zero percent chance that I would
draft him. Zero Because if that is true, which I
hope it's not, and I doubt that it is, then

(01:10:07):
he's going to be a nightmare to deal with. Try
having contract negotiations with that dude. Try having.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
A real, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
A situation where something is going the way he doesn't
like it. I imagine how that goes, because everything has
been kind of set up for him ever since he
got in college.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
He didn't start, and then he was in against Ratler.
He played okay, kept the job.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Everybody's excited comes to USC wins the Heisman, like you know.
And he made a comment after about the kid who
was running on the field with him and when they
stormed the field, which the kid was in the wrong,
and he was like, yo, everybody wants to be in
these twelve and a halfs man, I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
And it came off the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Granted, you're supposed to try to shame somebody in that
situation that does that, but it felt it came off
the same way that Lebron came off when he was
like you go back to your miserable lives. I'll go
like it was just a bad look, like not necessarily
reflective of the character of the person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
So he almost did a Hillary Deplorables. Yes, yes, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
I understand how it happened. But I am also.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
And I've said this, I believe that he's getting caught
up in the same thing that I would give gotten
caught up in. My son would probably get caught up
in all of this stuff that I don't know if
there was enough people fighting against it because they were
having early season success, which is yo, take the short stuff,
like you don't have to try to make Heisman plays

(01:11:56):
to go win it again. You are the Heisman guy,
so you're going to make these plays naturally. You're he's
trying to force them, and until he stops trying to
force those moments, he's not going to play at the
level that he wants to play at.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
So that has been your.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
One complaint about Kayleb Williams this entire time is the
stuff that he pulls off in college. Having the ball
for seven eight seconds, that's not an option in the NFL.
That just immediately goes away. So it's what can you
do from the from the pocket, you know, And there's
gonna be people who are just picking apart Michael Pennix Junior,
just picking them apart for injuries, for staying in college,

(01:12:45):
you know, not betting on himself last year. There's gonna
be a million things people say about Michael Penick Junior.
What they're not gonna be able to say is that
he can't work from the pocket. Yeah, because that's all
he does, that's where he lives. He has like five
rushing attempts this year. It's like so with with Caleb Williams,
it's like, all right, well, you're not gonna be able
to do all of this stuff. The arm talent's undeniable, Yeah,

(01:13:08):
athleticisms undeniable, and he's fantastic, but it people are willing
to hit the snooze button on concerns so long as
you're winning. And now, all of a sudden, Lincoln Riley's
seventeen and four at USC so far Clay Helton started
what twenty one and six? Yep, Like it's not it's

(01:13:32):
not impossible to think that, you know, there are people
that are affiliated with USC, right now that believe they
are worthy of Pete Carroll's crown. It's like people don't
remember there was a time before Pete Carroll and a

(01:13:54):
time after Pete Carroll where you weren't getting Pete Carroll results.
So if you want to step in put on his robe,
where his crown, do what he did, there's a lot
that comes with that. And those USC teams they ran
the ball, yes, And those USC teams they beat your ass.

(01:14:16):
Those USC teams had linebackers that could not get on
the field, that had ten yure NFL careers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, And so what is what is the future for
this USC team? Because they got Utah this week, which
we'll talk about in just a little bit, but like,
they got Utah this week and Utah can't score but
they can defend. Then they get Cal which will be
a layup. Then they got Washington, Oregon and UCLA. Like,

(01:14:47):
out of these four to their last five games against
three really good sorry, one really good team, one good team,
and two great teams.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
That's not a schedule. I would want to play with
the bottom six defense, That's all I have to say
about that. And I thought when you said what's in
the future, I thought you were talking about the distant future.
Notre Dame is a Big ten school with the ACC schedule.
You just got your first taste of what life's gonna be. Like, ooh,
buck well, dude, do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
You know what would happen to USC versus Michigan right now?
The way Michigan runs the football and they just plod
at you like they're not gonna speed up, They're not
gonna do anything. They're just gonna just it's like a
bulldozer running at you. Even though that they haven't played
against anybody good, it like, yeah, they are still dominant.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
You want to know what the one stat from this
game that blows my mind without looking it up yourself,
tell me what you think the time of possessions split
USC pro.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
It was probably close because USC ended up having a
ball so much because they because Notre Dame was getting
the ball in just scoring. So let's say thirty three
to twenty seven, thirty three twenty seven who Notre Dame? No, no, no,
I mean USC?

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Okay, thirty five twenty five USC.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, this is exactly why time of possession is no indicator.
Like I want people to understand this, that time of
possession does not correlate between winning and losing, like it's
there's no correlation between those two things, Like that's why
Chip Kelly's teams won so much at Oregon. Time of
possession is not time of possession in the end of

(01:16:50):
the football game. There is a correlation there when you're
trying to salt the game away at the very end,
you do have to be able to run the ball again,
first downs and all of that stuff. But aside from that, nothing,
nothing at all. It is a myth. It is a lie.
What what people mistake that for is controlling the game. Now,
game control is different, which sometimes that can look like

(01:17:13):
time of possession.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
But holding the ball doesn't help you at all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
And USC had ten more first downs and Notre Dame
only had two hundred and fifty yards of offense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Yeah, I need to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Know if I've never heard of forty eight points on
two hundred and fifty yards of offense. Yeah, the field
is one hundred yards The field is one hundred yards long. Yes, Yes,
this was bad man, And I do I do think
that UCLA is the third fourth best team in the conference,

(01:17:53):
and a lot of that is on Caleb Williams and
his receiving course shoulders alone. But it's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be really tough second half of the year. Now,
granted they have not lost the game in Pac twelve.
You got to throw that out there. They're the only
undefeated Pac twelve team besides Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Right, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
All of their what what is it the coaches say
at right after their team craps the bed, All of
our goals are still in front.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Of us, Yes, exactly, Yeah, all our goals are still
in front of us, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
So they're in All our goals are still in front
of us territory.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, yeah, and yes they yes tech technically they are.
But dude, if they can navigate this, they deserve to
be in the in the college football playoff. If they
can navigate you utah, uh utah, then a week off

(01:18:50):
essentially with Cal, but they may not make it. A
week off against Cal and then Washington, Oregon and u
c l a all back to back. If they can navigate,
they one hundred percent deserve to be in a college
football player one, like the number one team in the nation.
Probably like they deserve it all, right, Oregon and Washington,

(01:19:16):
what is your what is your thoughts? On that on
on the game. After having watched.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
It, I had three thoughts. The better team did not win. Uh.
This reminded me of who's the Who's the the guy
that Manipacio fought until he lost, fought him four times?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yes, yes, yes, Marquez, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
You you scrap with somebody enough, You show him enough
of what you can do, Somebody who's good enough to
hang with you, to be around for four different fight.
They're gonna get you. They're gonna get you. Washington is
a very good football team. Oregon's let them hang around.

(01:20:11):
They made enough calculated decisions risks that didn't go their
way that Washington was in a point in a position
to be able to win this game. That's that's how
I feel about that. On a neutral site, I think
Oregon's favored. I think Oregon probably could have won this
game by ten fourteen. That's yeah, that's my initial takeaway.

(01:20:32):
I thought Oregon was the better team and they got outplayed.
My other takeaway from this is I don't I'm not
I'm around the game of football constantly. I spend six
seven hours a day thinking about football. I don't understand
what a sprint out is, why you would do it
or why you're.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, and that's not even Oregon's style, Like, that's not
even what bo Knicks does does well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I don't. What I'm saying is I don't even get it.
I don't. I don't understand why it exists or what
the advantage of it is to take half of the
field away, because it's not even out of a way
to like trick somebody and do like a throwback, which
you you wouldn't really want to be making throws behind
the line of scrimmage on fourth down anyway. So I guess,

(01:21:20):
I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the
whole point of it in the first place. I don't.
I don't get why it exists. I don't get what
it does. It's for you. I grew up watching the
Denver Broncos Mike Shanahan play action rollouts. That's not what
this was. No, that's not at all. No, there's no
misdirection really, So my second observation is I don't understand that.

(01:21:42):
And my third is that Michael Pennix is an effing dog. Yeah,
because he looked like, I don't know if you can
fake the looks on his face. No, as somebody you
know who is had hurt ribs her back. Yes, you've
you've had. He looked like he was in so much
physical anguish, which is probably the right reason they couldn't have,

(01:22:05):
you know, put the game away doing a tush push
there at the end. I hate it. Hated that they
line up in shotgun from inside the five. I hate
that anybody does it. I just hate that you you
create any space between yourself in the end zone. I've
never understood that. I've had very smart football people, pro
pro football focused people try to explain to me that no,
it's actually better, Yes, stand further away, Yes, the end zone,

(01:22:27):
it is actually better. I'll come. It always seems to
work out one very specific way.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It does doesn't work for them any any more than
it does the other team. But like people think, oh, well, well,
the the running back is actually standing closer when he's
not behind when he when he's because when he's behind
the quarterback and the quarterbacks understander, he's seven yards away.

(01:22:56):
When he is standing next to the quarterback, he's only
five yards way, So it's actually closer, and the ball
gets in his hands faster and he can make a
good decision.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Quicker then take then take the running back out of
it completely. In wildcat, you're creating a third of the
second exchange, opportunity to fumble, opportunity for the defense to
read what you're doing. I don't understand. If you're not
gonna sneak it, and if you're not physically capable of
sneaking it because of because of the hit you took,

(01:23:26):
why aren't you just putting your Mississippi State transfer out
there to take the direct snap. I don't, I guess,
I just I It's never made sense to me that
the whole point of the game is physicality. We're having
this huge national conversation about how annoying the tush push is.
Nick Saban even said they should ban it before he
ran it to beat Arkansas. Why why? But that's that's

(01:23:49):
a fourth thing. We got into a fourth thing. I
think the better team did not win. Michael Penny people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Are having a hard time with with with that. Washington
fans are having a hard time with it. Josh Pate
put out his top ten, I mean his top twenty five.
They were like, what, we just beat them, and he
was like, yeah, but if Oregon were playing them, on
a neutral field, they would be favored.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Uh yeah, I mean he this is everything that you
have to Like the first two times Dan Lanning didn't
take the field goal and it didn't work out, they
were probably celebrating, right, like you could have had six
points and you didn't, you didn't take it. They were
probably celebrating those decisions as mistakes. If you're celebrating those
decisions as mistakes, that's an admission, that's an emission. If

(01:24:34):
you're celebrating that he that mister defense, mister world champion
defensive guy, went forward on fourth down in the fourth
quarter instead of putting the game in the hands of
his defense and trying to punt and buy wash soon.
You can disagree with it all you want, But if
you're a Washington fan and you see him run that
play and fail and you're celebrating, you're telling on yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, and he didn't
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Like if you're celebrating the other coach.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Making a bad play call, you're like, oh my god,
thank god, thank god he called that play instead of
running the football or just calling a standard issue pass play.
So now Bo Nickskin like he operates well in that like,
so then he can potentially run for the first down

(01:25:24):
like you when with those sprint outs it takes so
much out of the quarterback's hands because you cut off
three quarters of the field.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
To me, there's there's and maybe it's growing up Arizona
Cardinals fan, there is nothing better than beating a team
that is better than you. There's nothing better than that.
Do you think David was stronger than Goliath? Do you
think David should be ranked above Goliath in the top
twenty five or no? I think that, like the biggest
part of that story is the improbability of it. This

(01:25:56):
wasn't even a David versus Goliath. This is one A,
one B and one B one that's awesome, but like it,
it's mighty. It's the same problem I have with the
overrated change. You go out there, you start calling somebody
overrated and immediately undercutting your victory.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Correct makes no will.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Never the self own never makes sense to like you
should walk away being like, man, they're better than us,
and we still got them. We were better today, we
did more today. Like that, I think Washington fans should
be able to admit maybe not last maybe you know,
maybe maybe the last two years of Washington winning by three.

(01:26:33):
But you know, to me, I walked away from that
game being like, ooh, Oregon could have won by fourteen,
but they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
All right, now onto our power rankings.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
But you you let me carry that whole segment because
your team love what is happening here. You should have
to spend thirty seconds saying nice things about Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
You know I ranked them number one. I've had what do?
What else do you want me to do?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Ralph?

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
What else do you want me to do?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I've ranked the I've ranked them above Oregon prior, even
prior to the game. I did it because I thought
that they had earned it. Do I think Oregon is
still the better team? Yes? But what has Washington earned
to be the number one team in the country right now?

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
What else do you want from me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Ralph? What else you want me to say? Michael Pennix
is playing fantastic. This is a really good football team.
I've said it on Twitter, I've said it on everywhere.
They are one of the four best teams in the country.
That was two of the four best teams in the
country playing right there, and I can't wait to see
it again in the PAC twelve championship. What else is that?

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Do you want me to say anything else?

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I'm just saying that, Like I think you're the draw
in this podcast, and people want to know your thoughts
on Oregon losing to Washington and and the six goes
to listen. They want to see you be sad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I'm not gonna be sad because you know what Oregan
is now has taken that loss that they missed opportunities.
Evan Williams had an opportunity to end the game on
the first pass, and you know what he did, ran
right past him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Instead of Michael Pennick.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Like they call those photo picks like to where like
you get ready, you look good for the camera. You're
like throw throw your legs out everything.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
No, he made a bad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Play happens, But you know what, this is actually the
best thing for Oregon.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
You can't get complacent. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
You gotta go out and knock people's heads off. And
you know that everything is still in front of you
because the AP pole respected you to college Football Playoff,
is gonna respect you to you go out there, you
yank yank yang, You run over people from here on out,
because you know what that feels like. And then you
get back in the conference championship game if they handled

(01:28:57):
their business, which I believe they will, and you kick
their ass. That's what you do in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
All right, I'm glad to see you being confident. I
will say that it is funny the difference between usc
was undefeated, now they're not. We're talking about all these
things they probably need to change and do differently. Oregan's
undefeated was undefeated, now they're not. And it's not even
worth having the conversation because they're not going to change
a damn thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
No, No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
It's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Any regrets, No, don't have any. Even if we have criticisms,
they're not. Nothing is changing. Nope, this is who they've
been all year long. Yep. They went out there and
they acted like themselves and they got beat and I
think they walked away saying like, well we'll see again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Yeah, exactly exactly, our our self is the right thing.
That's what that's what you love saying. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Now, they went out there and got Meryl streeked. Meryl
Streep has like fourteen Oscar losses. But yeah, she's mad
about any of those performances.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
No, she's like they were all great, all right. The
PAC twelve power rankings for this week. I did have
to make one change Ralph to his power rankings. So
number one the Washington Huskies, Number two, the Oregon Ducks,
number three, the Oregon State beav Us.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Number four.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Ducks orgonducts are two and three.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Dammit, yes, number four. I considered changing this one, but
I almost went with a change of four and five,
but I'm gonna be cautious. Usc at number four. Number
five the Utah Utes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
So you would if and if you would have changed that,
I would have changed it right back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Number six the Arizona Wildcats. Are you okay with that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Yeah? Yeah, weirdly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Number seven, man, Yeah, Number seven the UCLA Bruins. And
it's not the UCLA's bad, Like, that's the cold part
about it. They're not bad. They just not getting quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
Play right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
If you switch, if you put Noah Fafita on their
team right now, they're significantly better.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yikes. That might be the best thing to convince me
to get rid of Jayden DeLaura altogether. In the equation
for Arizona is what would Noah Fafa do for these
teams that need a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Oh imagine putting Noah fa Feda on Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
That's a lot to process. Yeah. Man, maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's not delicate at all. I
just know that James Dolaura, he can't go hopping in
the portal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
I mean, we haven't discussed this yet, but we gotta
be serious about it, right that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
Would you talk? And UCLA.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Be better off right now with Jade Delora as their quarterback.
I'm sorry, with Noah Flafidez their quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
I think the answers yes to both of those.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Now, Jane Dolaura has grown three interceptions against Oregon State, Yes,
but you might have thrown four touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Yeah, so what do you think? So?

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
And then we have number eight Washington State, number nine,
Colorado ten, col Stanford eleven, Arizona State twelve? Are you
still comfortable with that?

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Comfortable? It is what it is. I don't like hearing
twelve and then Arizona State, but it is what it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Is, hey, bro, is what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
All right? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
On too?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
This week's games, first game up because we got no
Friday games. Four teams have the week off. Let's go
with the Oregon Ducks another twelve thirty kickoff. All the
rest of the games are in the evening. Oregon State, OH.
Oregon is hosting Washington State. Oh. Let me pull up

(01:33:36):
the line for that game. I thought I had it here,
but I did not. Oh, Oregon minus twenty, I believe yep,
minus twenty over under sixty two? What say you, Ralph,
I don't twenty is a lot. They just lost forty
four to six to at home to Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
But is Oregon Oregon's not Arizona. Is Oregon gonna play
aggressive defense? Or are they just gonna be happy to
drop everybody back the way that because we just got
done talking about how Oregon's gonna Oregon regardless. Yes, so
I expect Oregon to be a little bit more aggressive defensively,

(01:34:21):
to just stay in character. And I don't think that
that's gonna produce the same results. This Washington State team
actually had their way with with Oregon for the first
three and a half quarters last year.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Whole different, whole, different roster, whole different situation they are
going to date. I am going to take the under waxy.
I think Washington State probably scores ten points in this game.
Oregonna score fifty. Yeah, so I'm gonna take the under.

(01:34:54):
I'm gonna take the under. But Oregon minus twenty, this
is gonna see fifty. Yes, yes, God, dang bro.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
This is gonna be a sacrifice. This is gonna be
a tribute.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Well, we gotta do something different than each other, because
I mean, you're ahead of me in the in the
in the picks against the spread. But I'm we've been
kind of a hive mind and we both tanked last week.
You went three and three, I went to and four.
Maybe I should have stuck with you. You know what,
I'll take, I'll I will. I'm gonna go with the over.

(01:35:33):
I will take Oregon to cover. I don't feel great
about it though, all right, count for anything, but it
doesn't feel good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
All right? Next game up Utah at USC. USC is
favored by a touchdown. Utah's offense is pitiful. Is pitiful.
They are averaging twenty one points a game. Kid Like, like,
think about how the math on this is working. Utah

(01:36:03):
is averaging twenty one points a game. USC is averaging
forty seven points a game. But the odds makers have
this line set at seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
USC's defense is giving up thirty points a game. Utah's
is given up twelve. That's how you get a seven
point line, apparently, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
And the over.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Under fifty four bro fifty four a meager fifty four
for a like like the over under.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
In UCLA Stanford is fifty three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I'm gonna take the under. I'm also gonna say USC hovers.
I think at home, USC's gonna accidentally score twenty eight.
And I don't think Utah has the ability to get
twenty eight because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
They've scored twenty eight twice this year. They scored thirty
four last week, and they scored thirty one against Gardner Web.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
So they have scored turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I'm sorry we were stateing, not Gardner Web turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
I don't think you see back to back weeks of
five turnovers. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
This line is tricky because you're like, Bro, there's no
way US just doesn't score. But Arizona held them in
a headlock in the beginning of the game, a headlock,
and then Utah is going to run the ball down
their face. But USC should just stack up against the
run play man coverage on the outside and say we

(01:37:56):
double dog dare you?

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Yeah? Twenty that's my final answer. USC. Utah was terrible
in LA for fifteen years, Like they were terrible and
then they it was funny the second they started to
win in LA is when the is when the uh,
the LA schools were like, you know what, We're done
playing Utah. So instead we're gonna go to a conference

(01:38:21):
where everyone plays like Utah and we're gonna have to
travel even farther to get galaxy brain moved by the
LA schools. But uh, for the most part, Utah is
not the same on the.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Road, Ralph, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take the under well.
USC still managed twenty points last last week, so I'm
going to do exactly what you said, twenty eight to twenty, Ralph,
twenty eight to twenty. But I'm taking Utah plus seven.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
That means Utah twenty eight, USC twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
That's exactly what that means if mister money line, Yes, yes, Wow,
that feels like an adventure.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
That feels like I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Be feels like Wavos Grandes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
All right, Ucla Stanford, UCLA is favored by seventeen points.
Ralph over under fifty three and a half. Stanford's defense
can't can't get turnovers, and they're bad. I am taking
but Dante Moore can't throw another pick six. He can't

(01:39:45):
or can he. I'm going Stanford plus seventeen, even though
I think UCLA is gonna win this game, and I'm
gonna take the under in this game too. No, actually,
I'm gonna take the over in this game. Well, actually,
if the if the overhits, then UCLA is gonna be

(01:40:05):
plus seventeen. I'm gonna go the under in Ucla plus seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
I am all about the over in this game. I
don't uh Ucla. Chip Kelly's not really tank back to
back games like that. They'll get it figured out. Stanford's very,
very bad defensively. They still gave up that twenty nine
in the first half to Colorado, and Colorado didn't even
break a sweat. UCLA should be able to do something similar.

(01:40:38):
So give me forty forty two to fourteen forty two seventeen.
Either way, Ucla covers and the overhits all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Last game up, Arizona State plus twenty six and a
half at the Huskies home in Husky Stadium at seven
point thirty at night.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
I We're not We're not. We're not even entertaining I win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
This was Arizona and not Arizona State for a seven
thirty kickoff. Oh my god. You know you know that
this would go down to the last possession if that
were If that were the case, I do believe that
Washington is able to keep this momentum going, even after
that the emotional win last week.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
I don't think that they're gonna win by twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
By four touchdowns though, So give me Arizona State. If
it were plus twenty, I would take Washington, But I'm
going with the Yeah, Arizona State and the over unders
fifty nine and a half. I'm taking the over. Who
won this game last year, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
State, Yes they did. Who is quarterback?

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Oh Trenton borgae.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Asu plus twenty six and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Hey, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
So it is he gonna win this year?

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
No, No, we can't. We can't have this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Like I cannot have Washington this year.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
I cannot have Washington lose this game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Also, like anybody who's followed Arizona State for any length
of time whatsoever, knows that, like there's the home Devils
in the Road Devils, and the Road Devils are not
They'll compete, but they you know, they struggle. So I mean,
just look at the game at Cal this year. That's
the perfect, perfect encapsulation of of who this team is.

(01:42:35):
I think that Pennix is gonna have a huge game,
and Arizona State defensively has been solid. But this is
the same Washington team that handed Brian Ward his ass
in the in the Apple Cup last year, dropped fifty one,
So give me the over. But I think that I

(01:42:58):
think Arizona State's gonna be able to move the ball.
It's just will Kenny Dillingham have the patience to be
able to put together some sustained Yes, yes, yes I do,
because you're you're not gonna be able to headtop a
lot of these like giant safeties and dbs, but you'll
you'll move the ball if you're patient, you will move
the ball against Washington, And I do think there's gonna

(01:43:18):
be somewhat of a hangover. I think seventeen to twenty
points is what would have given me pause. Twenty six
is insane if they cover. Kudos to them it'll look
great for the conference. But I don't think they do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think that that's very very reasonable. All right,
now it is on too. I don't know how I
let you catch me. So tell the people what's what's
going on because I took multiple l's last week. However,
my son did get his first tackle football win this
last weekend, Katie did. Yes, Yes, they had only scored

(01:43:57):
one touchdown all season and then they they scored two
and one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Well, my eighth grader got in a game where they
were up thirty eight to nothing and immediately gave up
a touchdown. So what he got to play? So he
was excited. I don't. I didn't didn't have that professional
athlete DNA. I just it's the he's a smart ass
that that got passed down. But uh yeah, I think

(01:44:26):
we're on different levels here. So we if your first
time player, yeah uh we if your first time listener,
we do a player of the week contest. Every week
we pick a player, uh and we go ahead to
head with the other person's player. But as the better
game you get points. It's a quarterback one point, skill
position player two, defensive player three. You cannot repeat picks

(01:44:48):
during the season, so it's kind of like a survivor pool.
I am up six to four. Last week, I picked
Roma Dunes, that you picked Bucky Irving. Bucky Irving had
a fantastic game, but Roma Dune's that game winning catch
was uh multi faceted because it helped me win as well.
I was down for nothing. Now I'm up six four
heading into this week. Uh, who are you going with?

(01:45:12):
Are you gonna try to make two point play to
catch up? You're gonna go super risky, go three point play?
Who are you going with to be your champion this week?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
George Colin Shalif?

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Wow? Really?

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Yeah? I think they're gonna run all over Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
You want with a backup quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
No? No, no, no, sorry, sorry, that's not That's not the
one I want. I was thinking the uh the other
white guy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Oh the Carson Steele.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Yes, yes, yes, Sale Steal. Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
I shouldn't have said anything. I shouldn't have said anything.
I should have let you pick a wildcat package running quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
And then he would have went and scored three touchdowns
and I would have only got one point.

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
Thanks a lot, Budi.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Yeah, who I wonder thinking about going for the throat
here and picking a defensive player. I don't think there's
anybody out there that's really good enough to warrant that.
So if you're going with Carson Steele, I'm gonna make

(01:46:29):
it interesting. I'm going to I'm gonna ride the hot hand.
When I say hot hand, I mean the scorching hot hand. Okay,
And this is risky because he didn't do it in
any other game but one, but he deserves it. He
deserves it after what he pulled off. I'm going with
the Canadian elik iomaor.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Man, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Oh God,
thank you, Ralph, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Than giving you a reason and I'm giving you a
reason to be glued to U. C l. A. Stanford
biting your fingernails.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Dude, this is a layup of a win. As long
as Carson Steel starts and finishes the game, I'm good.
I am minor will will will vanish back into obscurity
after you don't follow up, dude, he is gonna be
like a Maria Miller this week.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
So this is so, this is what I was after.
I was after this salmon. This is the risk I'm taking.
It's not just about going up eight four. It's about
this soundmit, because if I hit on this, I'm gonna
have this clip. And I know that there's not a
ton of Stanford fans.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
So did you know that I was going to react
like that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
Oh yeah, because it's silly. It's silly, right. You had
one guy have three hundred yards receiving in one week
and he's going up against a good ul.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Or will he pooka nakoul like the first four games
of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Oh my god. Yeah, that's so, that's just it. Sometimes
you find out and then you gotta go you gotta
go back to him to find out if uh, if
that's gonna be the case, it's u c l A
is not Colorado, They're not. Then again, then again, if
we went for worst coaching decision, what was the worst
coaching decision of the week. Was it not bringing over

(01:48:24):
help on iom or for Colorado? Yes? Was it not
running the ball for Chip Kelly Because it's hard for
me to say Lincoln Riley being Lincoln Riley is a
bad coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Running because you just caused more and more turnovers. That's
why so is that you lost the game you should
have won. But then so did Cot. But Colorado probably
would have found another way to lose if it weren't
that way. So sure, sure, I'll go with I'll go
with Chip.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
How mad will you be if we don't have any
more undefeated teams after this weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
What don't mean that Washington lost to Arizona State, Bro,
I'll be furious, dude. That is something that Washington would do, like,
I would be, like, just find a way to just
snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, because that would

(01:49:34):
make everybody else in the Pac twelve look terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
All right, Because I'm just throwing it out there because
in the event that this ends up being a Dylan.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Morris game, what's a Dylan Morris game?

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
A game in which Michael Pennix is not available to play?

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
Is that that's not possible?

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I agree, it's probably probably not. He looked hurt hurt
to me. I'm just I'm just saying, listen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
He finished that damn football game. He knows what's at
what's at steak. He knows what's at steak. He better
be his ass better be on the field. I will
go hunt him down myself, how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
All right? So the last thing that I want to do.
The last thing that I want to do is I
want to capture your reaction to what I just sent
you on Twitter. You don't want to talk about Oregon
Washington anymore, but I just sent it. DM. This will
be where we leave off this episode of the Pack
to Old Bustles. I want you to read this out loud.

(01:50:50):
This is just absolutely great radio right now, Silence.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Heisman Trophy, Maxwell Award Best Player, Davey O'Brien Award Best QB.
Michael Pennocks junior ninety three point three overall grade leads
QB's freestyle about how they were going to beat Oregon
right before the biggest drive of his life.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Check out this video clip. Jalen McMillan said that Michael
Pennix was freestyle rapping about coming back to beat Oregon
on the bench.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
Ay rol.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Nobody like, Okay, all right, keep your keep your keep that,
keep that same energy.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
Just just keep winning and keep that same energy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Please please, how about you make a whole freaking music video.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Do that? I want to I'd love to see like
bo Nick's yodeling on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Whatever, dude, get the funk out of.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Here, all right, I'm mad at Unafraid Show dot com.
You can follow us on our social channels at PEC
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Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Alright, Be's out,

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