April 2, 2024 • 44 mins
Ophira chats to Andie Mitchell and Sabrina Kohlberg about their new podcast Pop Culture Moms. They also talk about woodworking, how commuting while nursing is logistical hell, and why Bluey's mom is a mom-icon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It used to be chair.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's all that's been small, a thing of sales.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Fun parentings a joke. Hello listeners, this is parenting is
a joke. I'm at three percent charged and my name
is Sofia Eisenberg. On the show, we bring together professional
funny people and stand up comics to talk about what's
up with their career, what are they working on, and
also how's the family going? Yeah, that's right. How are
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they managing the unpredictability of a creative career with the
unpredictability of having kids? How the fuck are they doing it?
By the way, at the airport I was coming home,
I saw this dad pushing a tiny little stroller. I
mean that kid must have been small, like a tiny
newborn baby, maybe a couple months, And he had one
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of those fabric covers over it, you know, like the
kind you add when you want the baby to sleep
but you're in broad daylight. We used to do that
by like draping a Muslim blanket I believe, over the
stroller with some clips. But this was an item you
could buy, like it was like a fabric shower cap
over the top of the stroller, and I couldn't see
the little baby. I could just hear the sound of
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a wild animal yelping and crying and screaming. And I
looked over and just saw this fabric top buckle and
scrunch like it was being punched and grabbed and kicked.
But the dad, oh yeah, just steally gaze straight ahead
down the long corridor of the airport with the AirPods in,
(01:35):
probably turned up to max, just trying to get through
to arrivals. And I kind of wanted to say, dude,
check on that baby. Those cries are insane, and that
kid clearly does not like this cover on. They don't
want to be covered up right now. But also, I
don't know what hellish five to eight hour flight this
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person just endured in seat twenty four A. I have
no idea what just went down in his world. Even
if it was just a two hour flight and change
with a tiny little baby, that could have been a catastrophe.
So maybe he was just doing the best he could
to get out of the goddamn airport. So I did
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not say anything. I gave him a little hat tip,
which he did not see. I have two guests today.
Andy Mitchell's a New York Times bestselling author, and Sabrina
Kolberg is a producer for Good Morning America. They are
friends and they also love pop culture and they co
host a brand new podcast called pop Culture Moms. And
(02:40):
we had a very fun chat. But most importantly, we
discussed who would win a fight between doctor Emily Oster
and doctor Becky.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's doctor Becky. That's the end of it. Yeah, and
I'm gonna tell you miss surprise you. That woman is Tasi.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I followed doctor Emily Ost on social media and she
is constantly running like marathons. I'm not familiar with doctor
Becky's trains.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's about inner physical trying from Okay, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
More with me and the pop Culture Moms. Right after
these ads, friends, listeners, Okay, I just want to open
up by saying I was so blown away last week
meeting a bunch of you in person at Podjam. Okay,
if you were there, you're listening to this and you're like, uh,
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that was two weeks ago, because that's the way we
record and release this. But let me tell you, Oh
my goodness, So, my dear friend and host of the
long running daily political news entertainment podcast called Stand Up
with Pete, Pete Dominic. He's been on this podcast a
couple of times before. He has built an incredible community
of listeners, and we all gathered just outside of a
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Las Vegas for a three day festival called Podjam. Thanks
to By the Way producer Cassie Rice and I recorded
a Parenting as a Joke live hour with a few
great interviews. Soon we're gonna drop it on our feed.
And it was just amazing the love from everybody. Oh
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my god, it makes podcasting so gratifying when you meet
people in person. Even got a cool T shirt from
a listener, Kim, thank you. I'll post a photo of it.
It's a T shirt that reads, I run this mother
like a mother. I love it. I love it. Also,
you know, I've been talking about how hard it is
to make mom friends parent friends, and how I have
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been bombing in conversation on playgrounds and school pickups around Brooklyn,
and a lot of people, after they read it or
heard about it, got in touch with me and said
I feel the same way. I remember this. I'm totally
with you. It's so hard. Why is it so hard?
You know what? It just got me thinking, between that
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and my recent experience, we need to come together. Okay,
I need you. Sorry. I know I'm supposed to be
the leader, but I'm kind of lonely, all right, So
we're all in different places, but we can come together
online with the magic or zoom or should I set
up a day and you can just call me like
Wednesdays between ten and three call me. I mean, let's
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make a group. Okay. I just want to know what
medium people like best, what appeals to you? Facebook, a
Facebook group, a substack, chat thread, a party line. Seriously,
let me know. And I'm talking to you, Trudy Kimer,
Kevin Debbie. Some shout out specifically because I hear from you,
so I'm asking you. But everyone DM me and just
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let me know what you think. Let's support each other
and get to know each other, and God knows we
could use it. Also, I've received word from many of
you that you would like to know the update. Did
Lucas earn his pac Man video console? Well, here's the deal,
Yes and no, I ordered. It is hidden in my
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closet as we speak. But would I say he earned it? No, No,
he's been trying. He said he was going to watch
minimal iPad. Yeah, that did not happen He did most
of his chores, not always, and there was quite a
lot of complaining and he had to be reminded, but
he did them for the most part. I don't know.
There was a few incidents where we got a call
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from school. Oh that is just the worst. It was
about fighting that there was some fighting, but wow, when
you see that number, that just takes me hours to
come down from that moment of anxiety. So not the
funnest couple of weeks. He also aced all of his
tests at school, so he did try. He's generally such
a good kid. So I just give it to him,
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right right, like kind of just for showing up. That's
the world we live in, right, you get an award
just for showing up. I don't know what the right
thing is or should he only get the prize if
he fulfills X y Z. What's the right lesson here?
You know what I asked our team, I give it
to him. Producer Julie said no. She said, no, he
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didn't do the thing, he doesn't get the prize, and
that I should have been more specific. We should have
narrowed it in very clearly what he had to achieve
to get it. I will say that. I caught her
just on the tail end of coming back from a
little outing where she felt like she had to overbuy
the kid's stuff. She's in a very black and white
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face when it comes to prizes and surprises. I get that. Tina,
our sound designer, said, yes, only because I assume that
you'll be giving it to him anyways. She said anytime
she offers her daughter anything, it is just a matter
of time, and that she's in a constant state of
negotiation in her house, which she considers skill building as well. Okay,
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I have a negotiator, so there you go. That is
turning it around. Nina, our editor said that she is
a total sucker and would say yes, okay, so yes,
is making a suckers is what I'm reading here. And
she said, but there's gonna be rules about how long
he can play, and that he still has to keep
up with his chores. Sure, sure, sure, I hear you,
but you know, come on, we all know how well
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that's gonna go. And then overqualified intern Dad Jeff, said,
I should flip the script. I should make him do
a presentation for me as to whether he feels he
one hundred percent fulfilled his duties and deserves it, and
based on that, his own assessment of his performance will
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decide if he gets that console. And I thought that's
really good. So I asked Lucas if he thought he
deserved it. Here's what he said, honestly, yeah, not great,
not great. You have still another week.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I honestly think I did terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I think you did terrible. I think he did not terrible.
What do you think you need most improvement with complaining? Complaining?
What did you complain about? I complained about I don't
even know at this point. So do you think you
should get it? Yeah? But you think you didn't do
what you set out to do?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, No, I did do what I set out to do.
Oh okay, which was not complain mostly did okay, and
and I had.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Good behavior mostly.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was pretty good. I think
it was excellent. Okay, So just one more week, right, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay, should be pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Geeesh, all right, tell me if I am a sucker,
you can DM me that too. Let's go to my
chat with these moms. These moms who are also trying
to figure out how to do this. They are the
hosts of pop culture moms Enjoying my chat with Andy
and Sabrina. Everybody, I have two guests today. Andy Mitchell
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is a New York Times bestselling author, and Sabrina Colberg
is a producer for Good Morning America. They've been best
friends for twenty years, and they are both obsessed with
pop culture, so they've teamed up to co host a
new podcast called pop Culture Moms. Andy and Sabrina, Hello, Welcome,
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thank you. Hi.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Okay, So just to start, could you share with me
the ages of your kids and names if you want to,
but no pressure.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You bet. I have two sons, they're three and five.
Levi is three, James is five.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
All right, little kids, And Sabrina.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have two kids. I have Violet who's almost five,
and Cooper, who's two.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Did you plan that?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It really worked out magically though, I mean it looks
like we did. We should say we planned it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And then the two of you have been friends for
twenty years, so you did not meet in a mommy group.
You do each other for a long time ago. How
did you meet?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We met I believe the first night of college, if
not the first, maybe the second night of college. And
he was having a party in her dorm room, and I.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Know you were that person.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, I honestly, I'm shocked to know that about
myself now because I can't keep a clean house. If
I have a party, I have an anxiety attack. So
it's I'm glad that there was a life in me then.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now we're talking a long relationship and now a totally
different phase of life. But did you both you know,
keep up? I guess did you move and come back together? Era?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
We're the types of people that I know this is
like a bygone era. We're phone people, so meaning like
we're talking on the phone. We talk on the phone
every day, and I think that's what's count us going
it is having a quick yeah, just like even if
it's like two minutes, there's something just pop in. You mean,
we knew we were going to be seeing each other
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for this and we still are still in a full.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Hour this morning.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, and are you breaking down what's just going down
in your day?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Or the more you'll talk, the more there is talk
about I'm serious, it's really we've said it to each other,
like I can't believe we haven't run out of things
to say yet.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But you know, we don't I'll tell her like every
detail of dropping my kids off a daycare. I don't
know if she wants to hear it, but somebody's got
to and it's gonna be her.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, great, So let's let's get into this podcast that
you're doing, especially because it's talking about icons when it
comes to moms in pop culture. So who do you
think right now? Let's let's say current world of television.
If there's a mom a TV show that you're like,
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that mom is the best.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
For right now?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Juno Temple on season five of far Go playing dot Lion,
I thought flawless like this woman, she was thet She's
in a particular circumstance. Not to give any spoilers, but
she's fierce and loving and intuitive and I just like,
I really loved her character. She is rocking our world.
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Who else am I loving? I mean, so we're in
a real cartoon phase with our kids. Obviously we're watching
a lot of animated things, so Bluey out of Australia
family of Blue Healer Dogs. We think that the mom
on that is just the top the best mom at
on TV. She's like a realistic good mom, like so
you see her get you know, flustered, and she's trying
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to get everyone out of the house, but she's also
trying to engage them on their level. So there's something
very feels very true as a parent, but also feels
like an inspiration of like what I'd like to present
to my kids, do you know what I mean? And
she's a lot of humor and that if that isn't
the binder of how you do motherhood, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
She's a dog, so this sounds silly, but she's so human.
Like there is an episode where she, you know, her
husband gets home from getting a haircut and she says,
I just need no one to talk to me for
ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And it's like, yes, every mom feels that all of
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then the you know, chaos ensus, but it's just
such a great, you know, feeling to see a mom
be realistic.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
She's not perfect all the time with her kids.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
When you both need that kind of ten minute thing.
I always call it the like decompression chamber, that chamber
that scuba divers go through.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know, I've said that multiple times.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Where do you go? Do you take off? Do you
go for a walk?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So like in my basement, I like to do woodworking,
so I have like a woodworking room.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Woodworking. I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's it's junior professional carpentry over here, So I have
I have some quiet spaces in the basement.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
What are you making?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I just I make furniture.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I you know what I mean. It's just a hobby.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't share it online like I just I just
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Do you have a circular song?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Oh? You bet?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I do?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's badass. So I guess there's a padlock on the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Door to there is genuinely I mean, I hate to
tell you there's actually a genuine padlock on the door.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah. I look up to you. All right, what do you, Sabrina?
What are you doing with your ten minutes? And if
you say my mask, it's fine. After someone just said
I'm making furniture, Can I.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Just know I'm I'm just going to Target, honest, the
last place to really unwind.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And my husband knows. I'll say I have to go
to alone, and he's like for what, and I'm like, doesn't. Yeah,
I gotta get out of here. Yeah, they'll tell me
once I get Target.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, guy, that journey. Yeah, you know, I was thinking
about how if I think of like prominent television moms
throughout time. I mean I could start with like marrying
from Happy Days, or I could go eat a bunker.
Have the caricatures of maybe even the stereotype of a
mom on television. Has it evolved enough?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I think it's made huge strides. Like, for instance, we
talked to Katie Sigal recently, so the iconic peg Bundy
from Married with Children Love, and we were saying that,
like in the nineties, like we can joke that she
was like a back quote unquote bad mom, and she
was funny, and she was like neglecting her children's needs
to a degree. But the thing that was so interesting
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is like that was just a complete rejection of the
perfect nineteen fifties housewife, the June Cleaver, and it was
nice to see another dimension to moms. I think that
was one step forward. I think it's getting better.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean it used to just be you were a
perfect mom or you were like mommy dearest. Those were
the only two options. Now there's like all the middle
ground that we're seeing. It's not perfect, but it's much better.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Because you said Peg Bundy, I gotta say, I feel
like that show was quite ahead of its time, and
it was such a parody that I feel like it
came out of a place where people took it too
much at face value.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Agree, huge call person, I agree, Agree, And I think
that like it was, it was broad enough that people
kind of like dismissed the like subtle nuances of PEG,
like she actually was there all the time for her kids.
You know she was, you know, she just she joked
and things. But I think I don't know if you like, look,
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there's a deeper layer there. Someone could write a thesis
on it that she was a feminist icon.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The thing that I always am looking for because you know,
I'll just I do stand up and I'll talk on
stage about, you know, being a parent, and then I
just feeled a lot of judgment and afterwards people talk
to me, and it has been very clear to me
that the woman, the mother still waits to follow her
dreams until the kids.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Leave the house. Isn't that sad? Isn't that a bummer?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And what is that teaching our kids? Like, oh, you
your mom can't do anything until you're grown up. That
doesn't make any sense, right.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm always looking for examples that aren't specifically just the
mother with the high end corporate job.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Who's painted as like not as involved and like the
dad is. You know, there's that stereotypical mom too. I
think it's very hard because the reality of when you
have young kids is that you are so tired that
you can't really pursue passions.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like I did.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
My ambition took a real hit. I was like, I
just I have no I don't have anything left over
to put creatively, you know, into my life. You know,
I still talk to like we have producers on our show.
We were talking about how they were, like, you know,
they got married recently, and she said, I'm just thinking
like how am I going to keep this workflow up
once I have kids? And I'm like, I totally get
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that because women men too sometimes, but mostly women are
the only ones really thinking about that, Like do I
put my career on hold? Will I lose all of
the valuable like purchase I've made on my career, you
know that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And what do you say? Because I've had other female
stand up comics come to me going, I see you
doing some stuff out here, blah blah blah, and you
have a kid, so you know, tell me how you
do it, and I don't want to do the same thing.
That sounds so cliche where I go, it's impossible, it's hard.
I've lost a whole bunch of like I'm just I'm
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cobbling it together the best I can. But yeah, there's
just no way to do it without a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, you just do it and something you know, you
just do it and eventually it all works out or
it doesn't. I mean, Jerry's still out. My kids might
grow up and say they need therapy.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And you know, what can we do?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
But you just do the best you can. One thing
that gives me hope is like, yes, there was a
period after it, like within the first year of having
either one of my sons, I felt like like, oh man,
Like I don't think I'm ever going to want to
do work again. Like I don't know how I'll do it,
how will I fit it in? But like just leave
room for you don't know what you're going to be
in a year, two years. You don't know what the
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world's gonna be. Maybe what you want to do will change,
like maybe your perspective on your career will be different.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So I always say, like, leave room for a shift
in you and a shift in the world, and maybe
there's something you don't even know that you want to
do that will be better suited to you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, sounds very balanced, I will, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I mean I say that you could just stailing it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So I had a little nine month old who I
was commuting every day to New York City, and I
was like, I won't be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm not going to survive.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And then COVID happened, and I know that was really
awful for so many people, but for me, I was
able to not commute every day and work from home
for like three years. So what I thought, it's going
to be impossible to keep doing my job. I ended
up like the world changed and it worked out. And
now they're older and I can get back to the
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city and it's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So you just never know. Were you able to get
a more relaxed schedule to post COVID.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We do have a more relaxed schedule, But also now
that they're older, it's just not as hard anymore, right,
you know. I was like nursing and pumping, and I
was like, I can't keep going, you know, with backpacks
full of milk to New York.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Backpacks full of milk. Yeah, open up this backpack, please,
police officer at the subway.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Enjoy help yourself. You know what I find the hardest
part of what's changed though, even just like in the
past five years, is that, like I struggle with if
you're in like this type of business, yeah, yeah, anything,
like so I know you face this as well if
you're there's like something really overwhelming about also having to
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show up on social media, like, so what it just
feels like you could always be doing there that pressure
I think is like that becomes.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Toxic and like you could always be doing more.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You could always be and oh, share your authentic self,
to share your and if you don't want to share
your kids really like like a ton of content about
your kids or pictures of them, They're like, well, what
else is my day? I'm not doing a skincare routine
that anybody needs to see, you know. So it's I
find that that part is very overwhelming, the fact that
you have to be creating content for the long run
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and for the short run, Like that's that's very burdensome
to me.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, Like do you want to see me put on
making me really quickly with card store products in three minutes.
Is that my That's influence.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, So what uh? What TV mom would you say
each of you are most like?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think that I'm a lot like Laura, like Gilmore,
And I'm working on the codependent part because I have
a mom like Laura Gilmore who's like, you know, mostly
single mom growing up, and we're very close, like a
very like a best friendship vibe too. I'm working on
the codependence to not really pass that on to my
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sons as much and have them have that like burden
of emotional baggage that comes with codependence. But I think
I'm probably most like her. It's some days it's good,
some days it's bad for them and me. I don't
really know what kind of what mother I would pick that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I'm like, I have a lot of mothers I want
to be, like we can go that way aspirational. Yeah,
Like I love Tammy Taylor from Friday Night Lights. I mean,
I wish I could have such a calm, cool persona.
I love the mom from Bluie Chili. I wish I
could be just like her.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love Lucy o'bluth. I'm not saying parenting correctly, but
she's just she's just the greatest character.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
She is so I love it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's so funny because she's so critical and like just
like looks down on everyone and her children, and it's
just it's hilarious. I just can't get enough of her.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Maybe something that is very appealing there, it's this idea
that the mom is such an independent thinker, like so
self actualized, not at all influenced. You know, the character
isn't always just in response to the children or you
know they're in this case, they're adults, but it's a
very different I.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Think that's such a good point that I never think
about that. Maybe one of the parts that I like
is that her entire identity isn't just that she's a
mother and then that she has a piece about like
she'll do what she can, but her children are going
to be affected by the world. There's something there's probably
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some healing aspect I can see where it's like I'm
hedging my bets that maybe if my children end up
with horrific problems, it's not solely my fault or something.
It's like you know what I mean, It's like, I
don't know, that might be what I'm looking for. Lucille's
kind of the opposite of codepecc Right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I listened to your episode about cool moms, and I
think we all like to think we're pretty chill.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah yeah, well though we're not.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And do you think it's possible to be a cool mom?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
My sense about cool moms is that there's there's an
angle where someone becomes a cool mom because it's just
like they've got so much on their plate that they
just can't full time hardcore parent twenty four hours a day.
So sometimes it's like the laxness of the cool mom
I think is just like because they just don't have it.
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It's like like they can't inform it. I mean, it's
not a laziness. It's like maybe they're working three jobs,
you know what I mean. Like I think sometimes I
think with my mom, what my mom was really like
more relaxed about was because like she she just didn't
have a spare energy molecule to give to like caring
about overseeing my homework, do you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, So, like I don't know that it's always
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a choice I think it's it's tougher when I get
a little bit more like authoritarian when it comes to
like letting your kids drink or like being cool in
that way, because I feel like, God, that seems like
a slippery slope. But sometimes I think it's an energy equation,
like we don't I don't even want to put my
kids to bed some nights, And I'm like, that's that's
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just that's the work, that's the work of it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think like it's possible to have very cool aspects
when you're a mom and like be someone that your
children can confide in that sort of thing. But I
think the traditional cool mom like no rules, drinking, letting
kids stay out all night, Like I just don't think
it's a great idea for anyone.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Right, So leather but rules, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's my dream.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Who in your relationship? First of all, each of you
is the bigger disciplinarian, is it you or your partner? God?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
My husband wants to be, you know, but when push
comes to shove, he's like a little bit like he's
a big pushover to Okay, he seems tough, but he's
a marshmallow. Yeah, I'm a huge pushover. I'll let a
lot slide.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But about the important things, I think I'm more of
the disciplinarian.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What would be something on the important thing list?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Like please and thank you, not hitting, not kicking, not screaming,
sitting at the table for a normal amount of time
at dinner, those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I try and be a little bit more of a
stickler about.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
My husband's a stickler about bedtime because he's like seven
o'clock on the dot.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He's like, we got to get this wrapped up for
the night. Yeah, and bedtime is creeping up, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Though?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Like sometimes I'm like, I don't my kids go to
bed when I go to be like, you know, and
I'd like to get in bed at six six six.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well Andy texted me yesterday and she said, I'm praying
these kids will go to bed at six.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I would love that, and so, but I like, it
just feels like there's like a nighttime creep. I agree
with Serena that I don't know which one of us
is the disciplinarian. It's probably pretty balanced, which is such
a lame response to give you, But we're probably probably
I'm good cop, bad cop, Like fifty to fifty with him.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, are you brushing the teeth or the brushing the teeth?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh, I'll brush the Teethah, I'll brush the kid will Yeah.
Because sometimes it's like I can't just teach you to
be a little lawyer. Who's going to convince me that
you don't need to brush your teeth? We just have
to brush the teeth. Like my favorite thing I heard
from are you familiar with doctor Becky? Doctor Becky Kennedy? Okay,
Will of course. So she was saying, she was like,
you know, you can tell your kids like ten minutes
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and then we have to leave the playground five minutes.
Give them warnings, right, they're not going to want to
leave the playground. So some time times the parenting approach
is like, hey, so we have reached the end of
our time here. I know it's really hard to go.
I'm gonna pick you up and bring you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
To the car now.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And so it's like, yeah, sometimes you do have to
just do the thing yourself.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I am not sure I've ever succeeded at convincing my
kids to do anything, like eventually I just have to like,
you know, take the tablet away or pick.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Them up and put them in the car.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I do remember. Actually I think it was my
husband said to a parent friend of ours who had
much older kids, and he goes, what age do they
start to listen? And never, I know, never was there
a specific parenting moment, maybe even recently, where you realized
I am so not a cool parent right now.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I come from a family like my dad was a
really big yeller. I can talk about it funny now.
It wasn't very funny then. It was like a lot.
Sometimes I'm like, I get why he yelled. Yes, I
get why he smashed a glass ashtray right through the wall.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Like I don't know, and I don't like roar.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But sometimes I'm like, we're going upstairs now, you know.
And I'm like, I don't feel a bad thing about it,
like I have to, And and my oldest son James, like,
I think this is a sign that we're doing okay
as parents, because he goes, I don't like when you
talk mean to me. I don't like when you talk
to me. And that's just if I if the words
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are totally fine, but your tone is like a little off.
He's just like I had to let you know, no
one's going to talk to me like that. Just he's effective.
Sometimes guys, that's an unconventional tip when it works.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Whatever, we are human, sometimes you sometimes you just reach
the end.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Sometimes we just say I want them to be a
little more afraid of me than they are, like I
because I have sometimes like I don't think any power here.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh yeah, And I'm like trying to teach the best
coping skills. So now they're being used against me. Like
I told Andy a couple days ago, I was getting
so frustrated and my daughter said, like, Mom, I don't
understand why you're not taking deep.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Breath because that's what I always tell her.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I was like, so it's all being used against her.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, And my son said, by the way, I've done
the deep breast, they don't work. I hear you. What, Mom,
do we need to see on television that were that's
underrepresented now? Like, what do we need to see a
little bit more of?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
First of all, we need to see more of all
the different experiences of motherhood. We're interviewing so many incredible
people who have these really unique experiences of what their
motherhood looked like, being a mother with a disability or
being and there are not pop culture references for those
types of experiences, So I think that's important. But then
(31:49):
more broadly, I think we just need mothers who are
flawed people and still really good moms.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
A mom who is.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Conflicted about what the right thing to do is, a
mom who is overwhelmed by their mental load at home,
a mom who is enjoying their job more this week
than they are enjoying being a mom, right, because you
can still be a really good mom and just not
like parts of parentingoutly.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
God damn is that articulate? Sabrina honestly co sign that
the truth is. I am I joke about being a mom.
I am realistic about motherhood and open and honest about
how heart it is. But I think I still hold
a lot of like feelings like but if I were
my highest self mom, I would be selfless. And so
(32:41):
I think, like the more I see moms who have
just inner conflict, like sometimes you just want to take
a vacation by yourself. You probably don't get to, but
maybe you maybe you can, or you want to spend
Mother's Day alone in like a hyperbarishaber. That helps us
all even if we have a judgment about it When
watching it, I think moving it towards what we see
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dads as is always a little bit or expansive for mothers.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So let me ask you this just based on that
movie I found very hard to watch, but I was like,
this depiction I have not seen is the Maggie Gillenhall
directed Olivia Coleman stars The Lost Door. Very difficult film
to get.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Through, truly so difficult to watch. The mom just seems
like she's drowning a lot. I think that the reality
is what we're responding to in how hard it is
is because we're like, that is what it's like.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That is what it's like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
That is what it's like, and you don't want it
to be that. You wouldn't want your kids to think
that it was that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
There's just scenes at the beginning and there's like flashbacks
of like Olivia Coleman as younger woman parenting and you
can see that she's got like nothing for herself. It's
like that sometimes is how it feels.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't want to spoil for those who see the movie,
but anyways, this person makes a choice to really not
be a mother anymore. I was stirred after it. But
I also thought about that story. If it was about
a dad.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
There wouldn't even be a story. They would just feel like, yeah,
it's a Tuesday. This dad decided you didn't want to
deal with this anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Sabrina and I call each other like once every other week,
and they're like, We're like, I think I'm gonna run away.
I'm just gonna go somewhere where cell phone service doesn't exist.
I'm just like, say, you have.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That moment all the time where you're like, no one,
I can't be touched anymore, I can't be talked to.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, it's like in the Barbie movie though, where the
way that the Barbies deprogram themselves and the men away
from patriarchy is by being honest and open amongst themselves.
So it's like women sharing that that is actually the reality.
The more like we I guess bond over that, the
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micro the minutia hardship like that that frees us all
in some way, Like that's the way out is knowing.
But I think there's a lot of value in just
that shared experience and like getting it off your chest
and commiserating with other women and moms.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So maybe that is what we need more to more
of to see is just like the I'm trying to
think like working moms kind of had that feel where
it's just like you can see moms comedically, even dramatically
somewhat fail at it but still show up. I don't know,
I'm making this up, yes.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And that they're not responsible for the whole way that
their kids turn out, you know what I mean, Like,
just I need someone to get off my back with
that nature versus nurture argument. Let's just say they came
out like this and I'm just facilitating.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's a lot of life.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I heard someone once say, like the fact that you're
even thinking about how to be a good parent means
you're a good parent, And I was like, I hope
that's true, right, because I'm thinking about it a ton.
I don't know if I'm executing, but I am thinking
about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Right. Yeah, I've thought about a lot of things, and
not all of them have worked out.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Everyone has beefs with their mom even if they did
it right. That gives me hope too. That's like, even
if I think I'm doing it perfectly, it might not
be perfect for them. Like it might they might have,
they might say otherwise, and just like leaving space for
that to be true.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So you know, we're also since you both love TV
and you're watching a lot of it, obviously not only
for fun, but now you're talking about all the time.
So when you are thinking about what your kids can ingest,
obviously Bluie is high up on the list there. But
do you do you have screen time rules?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wish we gave up on those, and I want
to tell you right now I feel okay about it.
There was a point where I was wishing my kids
would watch more media because they very they very clearly
don't have the attention span for like a full movie,
right And I'm like praying we can get to that
place where they would just sit still for too hours.
(37:00):
But I Sabriena and I really agree. We had unrestricted
access to TV and movies when we were little, and
I guess we can't say that it like didn't affect
us negatively, but we just we ended up fine, fine,
Like I mean, I think we're okay. So I don't
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love when they're on YouTube because YouTube's like recommended stuff
is like it will get you on the path that
you don't even know. It's so why your children are
learning about you know, it's like crazy. So like, as
long as you're kind of aware of the types of content,
I don't think so far it hasn't been a problem
for us. Okay, Yeah, YouTube.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I will occasionally like look over and my you know,
four year old daughters somehow watching like an anaconda eat something,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Like, how did that get on there?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know, and you're constantly blocking it. You're like, please
block this channel, but then they pay fine up again.
YouTube scares me, but I still let her do it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And let me just tell you something. Sabrina and I
in college did take a children and media course where
the woman who taught it was wonderful and was like,
there is no amount of screen time that's good for
a child, especially if they're under so we learned. So
we were like, hell, yeah, no, we are not letting
that happen. I'm not letting them watch it. And here
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we are today, totally.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
My friends, my fellow parents. I'm just gonna end this
with a couple of rapid fire questions. Andy, who would
win in a fight club, Doctor Becky or doctor Emily Auster.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's a great question. Honestly, it's it's doctor Becky, and
it's and that's that's the end of it. Yeah, and
I'm going to tell you something surprise you. That woman
is ta Yeah, it's doctor Becky, and I'm going to
say that's the final word.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, Sabrina, you did not agree.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I follow doctor Emily Ostar on social media and she
is constantly running like Marathon, so I think her like
athletic ability and stamina would really help. Like she's a
big runner. So I feel like I'm not familiar with
doctor Becky's train. It's about inner physical training.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Okay, Okay, all right, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Mine versus Marathon in that one. Okay, Sabrina, better TV
mom Blue's mom or Daniel Tiger's mom.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh, Bluie's mom every day of the week.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, okay, Daniel Tiger's mom.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
No, go, no, no, she's fine. She's just like I'll say, angry.
I don't think we see a lot of nuance in
her character, and she's not. We're not supposed to, I guess.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Okay, all right, I like it. Favorite movie that you
are dying for your kids to watch? Andy God that's
soh my god.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Maybe goonies.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Oh yeah, I was just recently thinking I would love
her to watch Annie. You know, she loves she's a showman,
so she loves to sing and dance. She would be
having the time of her life.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, and Andy, would you rather your kid become one
of these off the grid teenagers? Young young twenty year
olds who doesn't even want to talk about pop culture,
wants to get into woodworking more, or a pop star.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Jesus Christ living is actually honestly a pop star?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I really don't love. I sense judgment on the off
the grid person about the things that a lot of
us are enjoying, and that rubs me the wrong way,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, so maybe pop star.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I would assume they're pursuing a passion.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah yeah, okay, Sabrinna, I mean pop star definitely for me. Yeah,
I'm really hoping it becomes the next tailor Sweat.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Because you already has the singing and chance and good jobs.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Oh yeah, really yeah, she's trying. You can see us.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean, she refers to her as Taylor Swish, but
she's you know.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well that could be her stage next. Yeah, yeah, oh
my goodness. Thank you both so much for joining me
and talking to me about all the different ways we
view motherhood, see motherhood and how it's reflected back at us. Everybody,
check out this fabulous podcast, pop Culture Moms. You can
hear Andy and Sabrina talk about different great portrayals of
(41:36):
moms and interview real life actors and moms all around culture.
So check it out and thank you both so much.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Thank you, thank you for having having us.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Hey, thanks so much for listening. You can send this
episode to your pop culture obsessed friends and stick around
for Thursday's mini episode when the pop Culture Moms flip
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(42:53):
Our sound designer is Tinotoby Mack. Our digital marketing is
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Our over qualified intern is Jeffrey Kaufman. Thanks to all
of the engineers at City Voks. And I'll leave you
with a little something from I guess the number one
pop culture mom Chili from Blue Bluey. What am I
(43:22):
going to do with you? Hey? Let me stay up.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
To h once.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
He's dreaming about playing touch.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Football with his mates.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Really, yeah, he doesn't get to play that much anymore,
so he keeps having dreams about it.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Why does he get to play it for real life?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, he's busy, sweetheart, busy working and looking after you too.
Oh h hold, look he just gonna try. I think
he did?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Who maybe I can dream about being a fruit that well,
you could get there to go.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Nine, oh okay, nine, honey,
It used to be chair.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's all that's been small, a thing of sales.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Fun parentings a joke. Hello listeners, this is parenting is
a joke. I'm at three percent charged and my name
is Sofia Eisenberg. On the show, we bring together professional
funny people and stand up comics to talk about what's
up with their career, what are they working on, and
also how's the family going? Yeah, that's right. How are
(00:26):
they managing the unpredictability of a creative career with the
unpredictability of having kids? How the fuck are they doing it?
By the way, at the airport I was coming home,
I saw this dad pushing a tiny little stroller. I
mean that kid must have been small, like a tiny
newborn baby, maybe a couple months, And he had one
(00:50):
of those fabric covers over it, you know, like the
kind you add when you want the baby to sleep
but you're in broad daylight. We used to do that
by like draping a Muslim blanket I believe, over the
stroller with some clips. But this was an item you
could buy, like it was like a fabric shower cap
over the top of the stroller, and I couldn't see
the little baby. I could just hear the sound of
(01:12):
a wild animal yelping and crying and screaming. And I
looked over and just saw this fabric top buckle and
scrunch like it was being punched and grabbed and kicked.
But the dad, oh yeah, just steally gaze straight ahead
down the long corridor of the airport with the AirPods in,
(01:35):
probably turned up to max, just trying to get through
to arrivals. And I kind of wanted to say, dude,
check on that baby. Those cries are insane, and that
kid clearly does not like this cover on. They don't
want to be covered up right now. But also, I
don't know what hellish five to eight hour flight this
(01:57):
person just endured in seat twenty four A. I have
no idea what just went down in his world. Even
if it was just a two hour flight and change
with a tiny little baby, that could have been a catastrophe.
So maybe he was just doing the best he could
to get out of the goddamn airport. So I did
(02:20):
not say anything. I gave him a little hat tip,
which he did not see. I have two guests today.
Andy Mitchell's a New York Times bestselling author, and Sabrina
Kolberg is a producer for Good Morning America. They are
friends and they also love pop culture and they co
host a brand new podcast called pop Culture Moms. And
(02:40):
we had a very fun chat. But most importantly, we
discussed who would win a fight between doctor Emily Oster
and doctor Becky.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's doctor Becky. That's the end of it. Yeah, and
I'm gonna tell you miss surprise you. That woman is Tasi.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I followed doctor Emily Ost on social media and she
is constantly running like marathons. I'm not familiar with doctor
Becky's trains.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's about inner physical trying from Okay, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
More with me and the pop Culture Moms. Right after
these ads, friends, listeners, Okay, I just want to open
up by saying I was so blown away last week
meeting a bunch of you in person at Podjam. Okay,
if you were there, you're listening to this and you're like, uh,
(03:31):
that was two weeks ago, because that's the way we
record and release this. But let me tell you, Oh
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with Pete, Pete Dominic. He's been on this podcast a
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of listeners, and we all gathered just outside of a
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Las Vegas for a three day festival called Podjam. Thanks
to By the Way producer Cassie Rice and I recorded
a Parenting as a Joke live hour with a few
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And it was just amazing the love from everybody. Oh
(04:14):
my god, it makes podcasting so gratifying when you meet
people in person. Even got a cool T shirt from
a listener, Kim, thank you. I'll post a photo of it.
It's a T shirt that reads, I run this mother
like a mother. I love it. I love it. Also,
you know, I've been talking about how hard it is
to make mom friends parent friends, and how I have
(04:36):
been bombing in conversation on playgrounds and school pickups around Brooklyn,
and a lot of people, after they read it or
heard about it, got in touch with me and said
I feel the same way. I remember this. I'm totally
with you. It's so hard. Why is it so hard?
You know what? It just got me thinking, between that
(04:57):
and my recent experience, we need to come together. Okay,
I need you. Sorry. I know I'm supposed to be
the leader, but I'm kind of lonely, all right, So
we're all in different places, but we can come together
online with the magic or zoom or should I set
up a day and you can just call me like
Wednesdays between ten and three call me. I mean, let's
(05:18):
make a group. Okay. I just want to know what
medium people like best, what appeals to you? Facebook, a
Facebook group, a substack, chat thread, a party line. Seriously,
let me know. And I'm talking to you, Trudy Kimer,
Kevin Debbie. Some shout out specifically because I hear from you,
so I'm asking you. But everyone DM me and just
(05:40):
let me know what you think. Let's support each other
and get to know each other, and God knows we
could use it. Also, I've received word from many of
you that you would like to know the update. Did
Lucas earn his pac Man video console? Well, here's the deal,
Yes and no, I ordered. It is hidden in my
(06:00):
closet as we speak. But would I say he earned it? No, No,
he's been trying. He said he was going to watch
minimal iPad. Yeah, that did not happen He did most
of his chores, not always, and there was quite a
lot of complaining and he had to be reminded, but
he did them for the most part. I don't know.
There was a few incidents where we got a call
(06:23):
from school. Oh that is just the worst. It was
about fighting that there was some fighting, but wow, when
you see that number, that just takes me hours to
come down from that moment of anxiety. So not the
funnest couple of weeks. He also aced all of his
tests at school, so he did try. He's generally such
a good kid. So I just give it to him,
(06:44):
right right, like kind of just for showing up. That's
the world we live in, right, you get an award
just for showing up. I don't know what the right
thing is or should he only get the prize if
he fulfills X y Z. What's the right lesson here?
You know what I asked our team, I give it
to him. Producer Julie said no. She said, no, he
(07:06):
didn't do the thing, he doesn't get the prize, and
that I should have been more specific. We should have
narrowed it in very clearly what he had to achieve
to get it. I will say that. I caught her
just on the tail end of coming back from a
little outing where she felt like she had to overbuy
the kid's stuff. She's in a very black and white
(07:28):
face when it comes to prizes and surprises. I get that. Tina,
our sound designer, said, yes, only because I assume that
you'll be giving it to him anyways. She said anytime
she offers her daughter anything, it is just a matter
of time, and that she's in a constant state of
negotiation in her house, which she considers skill building as well. Okay,
(07:52):
I have a negotiator, so there you go. That is
turning it around. Nina, our editor said that she is
a total sucker and would say yes, okay, so yes,
is making a suckers is what I'm reading here. And
she said, but there's gonna be rules about how long
he can play, and that he still has to keep
up with his chores. Sure, sure, sure, I hear you,
but you know, come on, we all know how well
(08:13):
that's gonna go. And then overqualified intern Dad Jeff, said,
I should flip the script. I should make him do
a presentation for me as to whether he feels he
one hundred percent fulfilled his duties and deserves it, and
based on that, his own assessment of his performance will
(08:34):
decide if he gets that console. And I thought that's
really good. So I asked Lucas if he thought he
deserved it. Here's what he said, honestly, yeah, not great,
not great. You have still another week.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I honestly think I did terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I think you did terrible. I think he did not terrible.
What do you think you need most improvement with complaining? Complaining?
What did you complain about? I complained about I don't
even know at this point. So do you think you
should get it? Yeah? But you think you didn't do
what you set out to do?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, No, I did do what I set out to do.
Oh okay, which was not complain mostly did okay, and
and I had.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Good behavior mostly.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was pretty good. I think
it was excellent. Okay, So just one more week, right, yep.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay, should be pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Geeesh, all right, tell me if I am a sucker,
you can DM me that too. Let's go to my
chat with these moms. These moms who are also trying
to figure out how to do this. They are the
hosts of pop culture moms Enjoying my chat with Andy
and Sabrina. Everybody, I have two guests today. Andy Mitchell
(10:04):
is a New York Times bestselling author, and Sabrina Colberg
is a producer for Good Morning America. They've been best
friends for twenty years, and they are both obsessed with
pop culture, so they've teamed up to co host a
new podcast called pop Culture Moms. Andy and Sabrina, Hello, Welcome,
(10:25):
thank you. Hi.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Okay, So just to start, could you share with me
the ages of your kids and names if you want to,
but no pressure.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You bet. I have two sons, they're three and five.
Levi is three, James is five.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
All right, little kids, And Sabrina.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have two kids. I have Violet who's almost five,
and Cooper, who's two.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Did you plan that?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It really worked out magically though, I mean it looks
like we did. We should say we planned it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And then the two of you have been friends for
twenty years, so you did not meet in a mommy group.
You do each other for a long time ago. How
did you meet?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We met I believe the first night of college, if
not the first, maybe the second night of college. And
he was having a party in her dorm room, and I.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Know you were that person.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, I honestly, I'm shocked to know that about
myself now because I can't keep a clean house. If
I have a party, I have an anxiety attack. So
it's I'm glad that there was a life in me then.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now we're talking a long relationship and now a totally
different phase of life. But did you both you know,
keep up? I guess did you move and come back together? Era?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
We're the types of people that I know this is
like a bygone era. We're phone people, so meaning like
we're talking on the phone. We talk on the phone
every day, and I think that's what's count us going
it is having a quick yeah, just like even if
it's like two minutes, there's something just pop in. You mean,
we knew we were going to be seeing each other
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for this and we still are still in a full.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Hour this morning.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, and are you breaking down what's just going down
in your day?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Or the more you'll talk, the more there is talk
about I'm serious, it's really we've said it to each other,
like I can't believe we haven't run out of things
to say yet.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But you know, we don't I'll tell her like every
detail of dropping my kids off a daycare. I don't
know if she wants to hear it, but somebody's got
to and it's gonna be her.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, great, So let's let's get into this podcast that
you're doing, especially because it's talking about icons when it
comes to moms in pop culture. So who do you
think right now? Let's let's say current world of television.
If there's a mom a TV show that you're like,
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that mom is the best.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
For right now?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Juno Temple on season five of far Go playing dot Lion,
I thought flawless like this woman, she was thet She's
in a particular circumstance. Not to give any spoilers, but
she's fierce and loving and intuitive and I just like,
I really loved her character. She is rocking our world.
(13:18):
Who else am I loving? I mean, so we're in
a real cartoon phase with our kids. Obviously we're watching
a lot of animated things, so Bluey out of Australia
family of Blue Healer Dogs. We think that the mom
on that is just the top the best mom at
on TV. She's like a realistic good mom, like so
you see her get you know, flustered, and she's trying
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to get everyone out of the house, but she's also
trying to engage them on their level. So there's something
very feels very true as a parent, but also feels
like an inspiration of like what I'd like to present
to my kids, do you know what I mean? And
she's a lot of humor and that if that isn't
the binder of how you do motherhood, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
She's a dog, so this sounds silly, but she's so human.
Like there is an episode where she, you know, her
husband gets home from getting a haircut and she says,
I just need no one to talk to me for
ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And it's like, yes, every mom feels that all of
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then the you know, chaos ensus, but it's just
such a great, you know, feeling to see a mom
be realistic.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
She's not perfect all the time with her kids.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
When you both need that kind of ten minute thing.
I always call it the like decompression chamber, that chamber
that scuba divers go through.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know, I've said that multiple times.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Where do you go? Do you take off? Do you
go for a walk?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So like in my basement, I like to do woodworking,
so I have like a woodworking room.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Woodworking. I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's it's junior professional carpentry over here, So I have
I have some quiet spaces in the basement.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
What are you making?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I just I make furniture.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I you know what I mean. It's just a hobby.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't share it online like I just I just
enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Do you have a circular song?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Oh? You bet?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I do?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's badass. So I guess there's a padlock on the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Door to there is genuinely I mean, I hate to
tell you there's actually a genuine padlock on the door.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah. I look up to you. All right, what do you, Sabrina?
What are you doing with your ten minutes? And if
you say my mask, it's fine. After someone just said
I'm making furniture, Can I.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Just know I'm I'm just going to Target, honest, the
last place to really unwind.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And my husband knows. I'll say I have to go
to alone, and he's like for what, and I'm like, doesn't. Yeah,
I gotta get out of here. Yeah, they'll tell me
once I get Target.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, guy, that journey. Yeah, you know, I was thinking
about how if I think of like prominent television moms
throughout time. I mean I could start with like marrying
from Happy Days, or I could go eat a bunker.
Have the caricatures of maybe even the stereotype of a
mom on television. Has it evolved enough?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I think it's made huge strides. Like, for instance, we
talked to Katie Sigal recently, so the iconic peg Bundy
from Married with Children Love, and we were saying that,
like in the nineties, like we can joke that she
was like a back quote unquote bad mom, and she
was funny, and she was like neglecting her children's needs
to a degree. But the thing that was so interesting
(16:32):
is like that was just a complete rejection of the
perfect nineteen fifties housewife, the June Cleaver, and it was
nice to see another dimension to moms. I think that
was one step forward. I think it's getting better.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean it used to just be you were a
perfect mom or you were like mommy dearest. Those were
the only two options. Now there's like all the middle
ground that we're seeing. It's not perfect, but it's much better.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Because you said Peg Bundy, I gotta say, I feel
like that show was quite ahead of its time, and
it was such a parody that I feel like it
came out of a place where people took it too
much at face value.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Agree, huge call person, I agree, Agree, And I think
that like it was, it was broad enough that people
kind of like dismissed the like subtle nuances of PEG,
like she actually was there all the time for her kids.
You know she was, you know, she just she joked
and things. But I think I don't know if you like, look,
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there's a deeper layer there. Someone could write a thesis
on it that she was a feminist icon.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The thing that I always am looking for because you know,
I'll just I do stand up and I'll talk on
stage about, you know, being a parent, and then I
just feeled a lot of judgment and afterwards people talk
to me, and it has been very clear to me
that the woman, the mother still waits to follow her
dreams until the kids.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Leave the house. Isn't that sad? Isn't that a bummer?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And what is that teaching our kids? Like, oh, you
your mom can't do anything until you're grown up. That
doesn't make any sense, right.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm always looking for examples that aren't specifically just the
mother with the high end corporate job.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Who's painted as like not as involved and like the
dad is. You know, there's that stereotypical mom too. I
think it's very hard because the reality of when you
have young kids is that you are so tired that
you can't really pursue passions.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like I did.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
My ambition took a real hit. I was like, I
just I have no I don't have anything left over
to put creatively, you know, into my life. You know,
I still talk to like we have producers on our show.
We were talking about how they were, like, you know,
they got married recently, and she said, I'm just thinking
like how am I going to keep this workflow up
once I have kids? And I'm like, I totally get
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that because women men too sometimes, but mostly women are
the only ones really thinking about that, Like do I
put my career on hold? Will I lose all of
the valuable like purchase I've made on my career, you
know that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And what do you say? Because I've had other female
stand up comics come to me going, I see you
doing some stuff out here, blah blah blah, and you
have a kid, so you know, tell me how you
do it, and I don't want to do the same thing.
That sounds so cliche where I go, it's impossible, it's hard.
I've lost a whole bunch of like I'm just I'm
(19:30):
cobbling it together the best I can. But yeah, there's
just no way to do it without a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, you just do it and something you know, you
just do it and eventually it all works out or
it doesn't. I mean, Jerry's still out. My kids might
grow up and say they need therapy.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And you know, what can we do?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
But you just do the best you can. One thing
that gives me hope is like, yes, there was a
period after it, like within the first year of having
either one of my sons, I felt like like, oh man,
Like I don't think I'm ever going to want to
do work again. Like I don't know how I'll do it,
how will I fit it in? But like just leave
room for you don't know what you're going to be
in a year, two years. You don't know what the
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world's gonna be. Maybe what you want to do will change,
like maybe your perspective on your career will be different.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So I always say, like, leave room for a shift
in you and a shift in the world, and maybe
there's something you don't even know that you want to
do that will be better suited to you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know, sounds very balanced, I will, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I mean I say that you could just stailing it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So I had a little nine month old who I
was commuting every day to New York City, and I
was like, I won't be able to do this.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm not going to survive.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And then COVID happened, and I know that was really
awful for so many people, but for me, I was
able to not commute every day and work from home
for like three years. So what I thought, it's going
to be impossible to keep doing my job. I ended
up like the world changed and it worked out. And
now they're older and I can get back to the
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city and it's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So you just never know. Were you able to get
a more relaxed schedule to post COVID.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We do have a more relaxed schedule, But also now
that they're older, it's just not as hard anymore, right,
you know. I was like nursing and pumping, and I
was like, I can't keep going, you know, with backpacks
full of milk to New York.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Backpacks full of milk. Yeah, open up this backpack, please,
police officer at the subway.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Enjoy help yourself. You know what I find the hardest
part of what's changed though, even just like in the
past five years, is that, like I struggle with if
you're in like this type of business, yeah, yeah, anything,
like so I know you face this as well if
you're there's like something really overwhelming about also having to
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show up on social media, like, so what it just
feels like you could always be doing there that pressure
I think is like that becomes.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Toxic and like you could always be doing more.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You could always be and oh, share your authentic self,
to share your and if you don't want to share
your kids really like like a ton of content about
your kids or pictures of them, They're like, well, what
else is my day? I'm not doing a skincare routine
that anybody needs to see, you know. So it's I
find that that part is very overwhelming, the fact that
you have to be creating content for the long run
(22:27):
and for the short run, Like that's that's very burdensome
to me.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, Like do you want to see me put on
making me really quickly with card store products in three minutes.
Is that my That's influence.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, So what uh? What TV mom would you say
each of you are most like?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think that I'm a lot like Laura, like Gilmore,
And I'm working on the codependent part because I have
a mom like Laura Gilmore who's like, you know, mostly
single mom growing up, and we're very close, like a
very like a best friendship vibe too. I'm working on
the codependence to not really pass that on to my
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sons as much and have them have that like burden
of emotional baggage that comes with codependence. But I think
I'm probably most like her. It's some days it's good,
some days it's bad for them and me. I don't
really know what kind of what mother I would pick that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I'm like, I have a lot of mothers I want
to be, like we can go that way aspirational. Yeah,
Like I love Tammy Taylor from Friday Night Lights. I mean,
I wish I could have such a calm, cool persona.
I love the mom from Bluie Chili. I wish I
could be just like her.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love Lucy o'bluth. I'm not saying parenting correctly, but
she's just she's just the greatest character.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
She is so I love it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's so funny because she's so critical and like just
like looks down on everyone and her children, and it's
just it's hilarious. I just can't get enough of her.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Maybe something that is very appealing there, it's this idea
that the mom is such an independent thinker, like so
self actualized, not at all influenced. You know, the character
isn't always just in response to the children or you
know they're in this case, they're adults, but it's a
very different I.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Think that's such a good point that I never think
about that. Maybe one of the parts that I like
is that her entire identity isn't just that she's a
mother and then that she has a piece about like
she'll do what she can, but her children are going
to be affected by the world. There's something there's probably
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some healing aspect I can see where it's like I'm
hedging my bets that maybe if my children end up
with horrific problems, it's not solely my fault or something.
It's like you know what I mean, It's like, I
don't know, that might be what I'm looking for. Lucille's
kind of the opposite of codepecc Right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I listened to your episode about cool moms, and I
think we all like to think we're pretty chill.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah yeah, well though we're not.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And do you think it's possible to be a cool mom?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
My sense about cool moms is that there's there's an
angle where someone becomes a cool mom because it's just
like they've got so much on their plate that they
just can't full time hardcore parent twenty four hours a day.
So sometimes it's like the laxness of the cool mom
I think is just like because they just don't have it.
(25:52):
It's like like they can't inform it. I mean, it's
not a laziness. It's like maybe they're working three jobs,
you know what I mean. Like I think sometimes I
think with my mom, what my mom was really like
more relaxed about was because like she she just didn't
have a spare energy molecule to give to like caring
about overseeing my homework, do you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, So, like I don't know that it's always
(26:15):
a choice I think it's it's tougher when I get
a little bit more like authoritarian when it comes to
like letting your kids drink or like being cool in
that way, because I feel like, God, that seems like
a slippery slope. But sometimes I think it's an energy equation,
like we don't I don't even want to put my
kids to bed some nights, And I'm like, that's that's
(26:36):
just that's the work, that's the work of it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think like it's possible to have very cool aspects
when you're a mom and like be someone that your
children can confide in that sort of thing. But I
think the traditional cool mom like no rules, drinking, letting
kids stay out all night, Like I just don't think
it's a great idea for anyone.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Right, So leather but rules, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's my dream.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Who in your relationship? First of all, each of you
is the bigger disciplinarian, is it you or your partner? God?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
My husband wants to be, you know, but when push
comes to shove, he's like a little bit like he's
a big pushover to Okay, he seems tough, but he's
a marshmallow. Yeah, I'm a huge pushover. I'll let a
lot slide.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But about the important things, I think I'm more of
the disciplinarian.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What would be something on the important thing list?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Like please and thank you, not hitting, not kicking, not screaming,
sitting at the table for a normal amount of time
at dinner, those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I try and be a little bit more of a
stickler about.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
My husband's a stickler about bedtime because he's like seven
o'clock on the dot.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
He's like, we got to get this wrapped up for
the night. Yeah, and bedtime is creeping up, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Though?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Like sometimes I'm like, I don't my kids go to
bed when I go to be like, you know, and
I'd like to get in bed at six six six.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well Andy texted me yesterday and she said, I'm praying
these kids will go to bed at six.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I would love that, and so, but I like, it
just feels like there's like a nighttime creep. I agree
with Serena that I don't know which one of us
is the disciplinarian. It's probably pretty balanced, which is such
a lame response to give you, But we're probably probably
I'm good cop, bad cop, Like fifty to fifty with him.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, are you brushing the teeth or the brushing the teeth?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh, I'll brush the Teethah, I'll brush the kid will Yeah.
Because sometimes it's like I can't just teach you to
be a little lawyer. Who's going to convince me that
you don't need to brush your teeth? We just have
to brush the teeth. Like my favorite thing I heard
from are you familiar with doctor Becky? Doctor Becky Kennedy? Okay,
Will of course. So she was saying, she was like,
you know, you can tell your kids like ten minutes
(28:55):
and then we have to leave the playground five minutes.
Give them warnings, right, they're not going to want to
leave the playground. So some time times the parenting approach
is like, hey, so we have reached the end of
our time here. I know it's really hard to go.
I'm gonna pick you up and bring you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
To the car now.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And so it's like, yeah, sometimes you do have to
just do the thing yourself.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I am not sure I've ever succeeded at convincing my
kids to do anything, like eventually I just have to like,
you know, take the tablet away or pick.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Them up and put them in the car.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I do remember. Actually I think it was my
husband said to a parent friend of ours who had
much older kids, and he goes, what age do they
start to listen? And never, I know, never was there
a specific parenting moment, maybe even recently, where you realized
I am so not a cool parent right now.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I come from a family like my dad was a
really big yeller. I can talk about it funny now.
It wasn't very funny then. It was like a lot.
Sometimes I'm like, I get why he yelled. Yes, I
get why he smashed a glass ashtray right through the wall.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Like I don't know, and I don't like roar.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But sometimes I'm like, we're going upstairs now, you know.
And I'm like, I don't feel a bad thing about it,
like I have to, And and my oldest son James, like,
I think this is a sign that we're doing okay
as parents, because he goes, I don't like when you
talk mean to me. I don't like when you talk
to me. And that's just if I if the words
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are totally fine, but your tone is like a little off.
He's just like I had to let you know, no
one's going to talk to me like that. Just he's effective.
Sometimes guys, that's an unconventional tip when it works.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Whatever, we are human, sometimes you sometimes you just reach
the end.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Sometimes we just say I want them to be a
little more afraid of me than they are, like I
because I have sometimes like I don't think any power here.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh yeah, And I'm like trying to teach the best
coping skills. So now they're being used against me. Like
I told Andy a couple days ago, I was getting
so frustrated and my daughter said, like, Mom, I don't
understand why you're not taking deep.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Breath because that's what I always tell her.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I was like, so it's all being used against her.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, And my son said, by the way, I've done
the deep breast, they don't work. I hear you. What, Mom,
do we need to see on television that were that's
underrepresented now? Like, what do we need to see a
little bit more of?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
First of all, we need to see more of all
the different experiences of motherhood. We're interviewing so many incredible
people who have these really unique experiences of what their
motherhood looked like, being a mother with a disability or
being and there are not pop culture references for those
types of experiences, So I think that's important. But then
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more broadly, I think we just need mothers who are
flawed people and still really good moms.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
A mom who is.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Conflicted about what the right thing to do is, a
mom who is overwhelmed by their mental load at home,
a mom who is enjoying their job more this week
than they are enjoying being a mom, right, because you
can still be a really good mom and just not
like parts of parentingoutly.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
God damn is that articulate? Sabrina honestly co sign that
the truth is. I am I joke about being a mom.
I am realistic about motherhood and open and honest about
how heart it is. But I think I still hold
a lot of like feelings like but if I were
my highest self mom, I would be selfless. And so
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I think, like the more I see moms who have
just inner conflict, like sometimes you just want to take
a vacation by yourself. You probably don't get to, but
maybe you maybe you can, or you want to spend
Mother's Day alone in like a hyperbarishaber. That helps us
all even if we have a judgment about it When
watching it, I think moving it towards what we see
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dads as is always a little bit or expansive for mothers.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So let me ask you this just based on that
movie I found very hard to watch, but I was like,
this depiction I have not seen is the Maggie Gillenhall
directed Olivia Coleman stars The Lost Door. Very difficult film
to get.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Through, truly so difficult to watch. The mom just seems
like she's drowning a lot. I think that the reality
is what we're responding to in how hard it is
is because we're like, that is what it's like.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That is what it's like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
That is what it's like, and you don't want it
to be that. You wouldn't want your kids to think
that it was that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
There's just scenes at the beginning and there's like flashbacks
of like Olivia Coleman as younger woman parenting and you
can see that she's got like nothing for herself. It's
like that sometimes is how it feels.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't want to spoil for those who see the movie,
but anyways, this person makes a choice to really not
be a mother anymore. I was stirred after it. But
I also thought about that story. If it was about
a dad.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
There wouldn't even be a story. They would just feel like, yeah,
it's a Tuesday. This dad decided you didn't want to
deal with this anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Sabrina and I call each other like once every other week,
and they're like, We're like, I think I'm gonna run away.
I'm just gonna go somewhere where cell phone service doesn't exist.
I'm just like, say, you have.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That moment all the time where you're like, no one,
I can't be touched anymore, I can't be talked to.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, it's like in the Barbie movie though, where the
way that the Barbies deprogram themselves and the men away
from patriarchy is by being honest and open amongst themselves.
So it's like women sharing that that is actually the reality.
The more like we I guess bond over that, the
(34:57):
micro the minutia hardship like that that frees us all
in some way, Like that's the way out is knowing.
But I think there's a lot of value in just
that shared experience and like getting it off your chest
and commiserating with other women and moms.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So maybe that is what we need more to more
of to see is just like the I'm trying to
think like working moms kind of had that feel where
it's just like you can see moms comedically, even dramatically
somewhat fail at it but still show up. I don't know,
I'm making this up, yes.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And that they're not responsible for the whole way that
their kids turn out, you know what I mean, Like,
just I need someone to get off my back with
that nature versus nurture argument. Let's just say they came
out like this and I'm just facilitating.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's a lot of life.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I heard someone once say, like the fact that you're
even thinking about how to be a good parent means
you're a good parent, And I was like, I hope
that's true, right, because I'm thinking about it a ton.
I don't know if I'm executing, but I am thinking
about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Right. Yeah, I've thought about a lot of things, and
not all of them have worked out.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Everyone has beefs with their mom even if they did
it right. That gives me hope too. That's like, even
if I think I'm doing it perfectly, it might not
be perfect for them. Like it might they might have,
they might say otherwise, and just like leaving space for
that to be true.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So you know, we're also since you both love TV
and you're watching a lot of it, obviously not only
for fun, but now you're talking about all the time.
So when you are thinking about what your kids can ingest,
obviously Bluie is high up on the list there. But
do you do you have screen time rules?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wish we gave up on those, and I want
to tell you right now I feel okay about it.
There was a point where I was wishing my kids
would watch more media because they very they very clearly
don't have the attention span for like a full movie,
right And I'm like praying we can get to that
place where they would just sit still for too hours.
(37:00):
But I Sabriena and I really agree. We had unrestricted
access to TV and movies when we were little, and
I guess we can't say that it like didn't affect
us negatively, but we just we ended up fine, fine,
Like I mean, I think we're okay. So I don't
(37:24):
love when they're on YouTube because YouTube's like recommended stuff
is like it will get you on the path that
you don't even know. It's so why your children are
learning about you know, it's like crazy. So like, as
long as you're kind of aware of the types of content,
I don't think so far it hasn't been a problem
for us. Okay, Yeah, YouTube.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I will occasionally like look over and my you know,
four year old daughters somehow watching like an anaconda eat something,
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Like, how did that get on there?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know, and you're constantly blocking it. You're like, please
block this channel, but then they pay fine up again.
YouTube scares me, but I still let her do it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And let me just tell you something. Sabrina and I
in college did take a children and media course where
the woman who taught it was wonderful and was like,
there is no amount of screen time that's good for
a child, especially if they're under so we learned. So
we were like, hell, yeah, no, we are not letting
that happen. I'm not letting them watch it. And here
(38:27):
we are today, totally.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
My friends, my fellow parents. I'm just gonna end this
with a couple of rapid fire questions. Andy, who would
win in a fight club, Doctor Becky or doctor Emily Auster.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's a great question. Honestly, it's it's doctor Becky, and
it's and that's that's the end of it. Yeah, and
I'm going to tell you something surprise you. That woman
is ta Yeah, it's doctor Becky, and I'm going to
say that's the final word.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, Sabrina, you did not agree.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I follow doctor Emily Ostar on social media and she
is constantly running like Marathon, so I think her like
athletic ability and stamina would really help. Like she's a
big runner. So I feel like I'm not familiar with
doctor Becky's train. It's about inner physical training.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Okay, Okay, all right, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Mine versus Marathon in that one. Okay, Sabrina, better TV
mom Blue's mom or Daniel Tiger's mom.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh, Bluie's mom every day of the week.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, okay, Daniel Tiger's mom.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
No, go, no, no, she's fine. She's just like I'll say, angry.
I don't think we see a lot of nuance in
her character, and she's not. We're not supposed to, I guess.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Okay, all right, I like it. Favorite movie that you
are dying for your kids to watch? Andy God that's
soh my god.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Maybe goonies.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Oh yeah, I was just recently thinking I would love
her to watch Annie. You know, she loves she's a showman,
so she loves to sing and dance. She would be
having the time of her life.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, and Andy, would you rather your kid become one
of these off the grid teenagers? Young young twenty year
olds who doesn't even want to talk about pop culture,
wants to get into woodworking more, or a pop star.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Jesus Christ living is actually honestly a pop star?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I really don't love. I sense judgment on the off
the grid person about the things that a lot of
us are enjoying, and that rubs me the wrong way,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, so maybe pop star.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I would assume they're pursuing a passion.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah yeah, okay, Sabrinna, I mean pop star definitely for me. Yeah,
I'm really hoping it becomes the next tailor Sweat.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Because you already has the singing and chance and good jobs.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Oh yeah, really yeah, she's trying. You can see us.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean, she refers to her as Taylor Swish, but
she's you know.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Well that could be her stage next. Yeah, yeah, oh
my goodness. Thank you both so much for joining me
and talking to me about all the different ways we
view motherhood, see motherhood and how it's reflected back at us. Everybody,
check out this fabulous podcast, pop Culture Moms. You can
hear Andy and Sabrina talk about different great portrayals of
(41:36):
moms and interview real life actors and moms all around culture.
So check it out and thank you both so much.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Thank you, thank you for having having us.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Hey, thanks so much for listening. You can send this
episode to your pop culture obsessed friends and stick around
for Thursday's mini episode when the pop Culture Moms flip
the script on me and ask me some questions about
kids in comedy. If you haven't yet subscribe to this podcast, hey,
could you go buy Apple Podcasts for me and post
(42:10):
a review and give us a rating five stars? Please?
I know I always say that, but I mean it.
It just really helps us with discovery and many things.
Follow us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook at Parenting as a Joke.
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(42:31):
around for parenting as a joke. Hey, come see me
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on my website Ofira Eisenberg dot com. You can follow
me everywhere at ohfira e. Our episode is produced by
me and Julie Smith clem. Our editor is Nina Porzuki.
(42:53):
Our sound designer is Tinotoby Mack. Our digital marketing is
done by Laura Vogel. Our video editor is Melissa Weiss.
Our over qualified intern is Jeffrey Kaufman. Thanks to all
of the engineers at City Voks. And I'll leave you
with a little something from I guess the number one
pop culture mom Chili from Blue Bluey. What am I
(43:22):
going to do with you? Hey? Let me stay up.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
To h once.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
He's dreaming about playing touch.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Football with his mates.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Really, yeah, he doesn't get to play that much anymore,
so he keeps having dreams about it.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Why does he get to play it for real life?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, he's busy, sweetheart, busy working and looking after you too.
Oh h hold, look he just gonna try. I think
he did?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Who maybe I can dream about being a fruit that well,
you could get there to go.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Nine, oh okay, nine, honey,
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