September 4, 2024 • 42 mins
Parney is joined by NASCAR legends Hermie and Elliott Sadler! With decades of experience and a track record of wins and top-10 finishes, the Sadler brothers have made an indelible mark on the sport.
Parney and the crew explore the Sadlers' life stories, from growing up together to competing on the track, along with some hilarious behind-the-scenes racing tales you won’t want to miss. Plus, Pub Club Member Dennis Bickmeier drops by for some fun 'One Shot' questions!
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Hell yeah, Hey everybody, Welcome to another inning of the
Party Time Podcast, brought to you by West Broad Honda.
I am so excited to have with us today the
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Sadler Brothers, Hermi and Elliott Sadler behind me with the
pub club. We have Joe t Joe Tire you excited
about Hermie? Hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And then and our special, our special Party's Pop guest
member hand selected for this one is Dennis Pickmyer, formerly
working with the Sadler Brothers in the racing world. We've
had a lot of success so far in the Party
Time Podcast. Elliott even sent me a text told me
he thought I was decent at it. So we're excited
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to have these guys. They got their practice hit a
couple of weeks ago on the Dirty Mow Media they
practiced for the Party Time Podcast with Dale Junior. So
Elliott and Hermie sad Welcome to the Party Time Podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, this, this podcast is all about relationships, and I
had you guys on together for a reason. We talk
about relationships over thirty five years of minor league baseball,
relationships in the sports world. Certainly I have individual relationships
with each of you, but I wanted to start with this.
You guys are brothers, obviously, same last name Saddler, You're
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six years and six days apart. I've always wanted to
have her brother my cousin. Alan's kind of like my
brother Joe. T's like my my much older, uglier brother.
So why was it like growing up as brothers. Let's
start right there.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, let me say before Elliott, Uh, he's on the
market for a small feet party. He can be yours
for a fief.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I I think me and Elliott would probably raise too
much hell at family outings if we were together, So
I'm gonna have to pass on that one. But what Hermie,
you're you're the oldest, So do you do you dominate?
You dominate Elliott? Like, what, how's that relationship?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I can't wait for Ellie to tell you all the
lies about I used to beat him up when he
was a kid and leave him in a dark room
by himself. All that me coming from, you know, a
life where my older sister routinely put me in the dryer,
the closed dryer. Uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why are you're still so dirty? Then herman, if you
were in the dryer all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
She never put me in washing machine, just a dryer.
That's why, you know, Uh, there is an age difference.
But you know it to me is it's I think
it's probably gone better with an age difference than it
would have if we were you know, one or two
years apart, because you know, we always competed, but we
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were always kind of at different times growing up playing
ball and even racing. We never you know, go karts.
We weren't you know, in the same class growing up.
We later became teammates for a while in the you know,
in the boot series. But you know, I think it's
better than it would have been had we been always competing,
you know, against each other in every age group and
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every sport. Uh, you know, coming along, it's been nice
that I could go do my thing and then move on.
He could come along and you know and do his thing,
and we could support each other one hundred percent. And
I think that's what we've always done.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Ellett, what's your response to that, because this is a
conversation amongst us all. This is not an interview, Whyatt
told me early on in the podcast. These are conversations
like we're hanging out in a bar. Party's pop right
on the other side of this wall.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So first of all, I want to start by being
six years and six days younger. Obviously I was an accident, so.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
That also has.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Made it where Hermie is the favorite in your family,
and my mom reminds us of that all the time,
that Hermie's the favorite. Yes, he used to beat me
up as a kid all the time, but yeah, it
made me tougher, right, And that's what I'm supposed to say,
you know, hard times make you tougher. I think the
best thing about being six years apart is we never
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had to compete against each other. So yes, we were
competing in sports, and we were competing in racing, like
he said, but we were also each other as biggest fan.
And the only time we really ever competed against each
other we were teammates one year in the Bush Series.
But in nineteen ninety five, Hermi came back to South
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Boston to run a late model race like a coming
back home party after he had gone off to the
Bush Series and one Rookie of the year Virginia's Lover's Car,
and we competed against each other in that race.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well halfway, I was leading the race.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
One of my rivals, Stacey Compton, was running second, Hermie
was running third. We were running race. All of a sudden,
caution come out. I don't know why the caution came out.
Caution comes out all of a sudden. Everybody's giving me
the finger, and I'm like all the fans and everybody
booing and.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Throwing stuff at our car. I'm good.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I look in my mirror. I didn't see Stacy Compton
back there anymore. So my brother had come and taken
out my biggest rival for me, uh in one of
the only races we ever competed against each other. So
actually that worked out to my advantage. So we we
we might work on those things moving ahead as as uh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Hey, you know what, I know what I Uncle Bud
used to say, if you're gonna qualify upfront, you better
act like you got to act like. I thought that
Stacey lifted too early heading in.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The turn three.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But we had been fun with that. Uh, you know,
after that crash, we rode around under caution, and obviously
they were giving me the finger. But Elliott and I
had radios. We could actually talk to each other, and
I'm like, Elliott, why are these people giving you the finger?
He give me so Uh that was.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We laughed on.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It was not laughable at the time. It was. It
was an accident, but I did tear his car up,
uh pretty bad. And then that left the race to
me and Elliott. You know we could just amongst us. Yeah,
so is that so?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So? So? Who won that race? Hermie so big brother
went out. Huh is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, I actually won.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I actually I won the race, but then I got
called illegal.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Paid off to tech me in before him. I had
to get one. Elliot, let me have one, because he
won like seventeen all year so didn't hurt him at all.
Let me get one.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
South South Boston Is that where you eat the bologne
the Bologney sandwiches out of it?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So South Boston Speedway when I was a crew member
for Herme's race team there before I started racing. This
is probably like nineteen ninety one, ninety two, something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was already working in baseball, guys, that's how long
ago that was. I was already working for the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Me and a buddy of mine on the on the crew.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As we just we would eat blonneyburg We were there
all day at the track and we were eating Bloonneyburgers.
In eating, well, Hermie had some bad luck, like, you know,
two or three races in a row. He'd gotten wrecked
or throw the car or just bad stuff. So I
kept eating and kept eating. We always kind of kept
count when we ate ate today or nine or ten.
So I decided to eat sixteen because that was the
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number on Hermei's race car. So hew, I'm gonna eat sixteen.
Let's let's go for it. Man, it might change our luck,
you know how. You always think of different ways to
change your luck at the racetrack. Were very superstitious. So
I ate sixteen the Loneburgers that day. And that's in
a long time frame. That's not like in an hour.
That's from you know, twelve o'clock in the afternoons or
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ten eleven o'clock at night, and uh, sixteen a lonelyburger.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So I have no idea how he did that night.
I was stuck in the porta John, that's how That's
how committed Elliott was to putting in the work necessary
to be a good crewman. He was more worried about
how many bologna burgers he was going at the one
day record for that and not be too concerned about
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how the sixteen was running.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, one of my favorite parts of the movie about
Cole Trickle is when he says, Cole, you can't come
in now, me and the crew are eating some ice cream.
That's one of my favorite parts of that movie.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
See, I didn't get paid to be on Hermie's pit crew,
but we got for dim for food, so I just
took it out of foods.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, that's amazing, Beck, you're the party pub club person
for today. Joe T doesn't say anything Elliott and Hermie.
All Joe T Is able to do on the Party
Time podcast is either agree or disagree. Hell yeah, that
means he agrees and that means he disagrees. So just
so y'all know, Joe T's that's all he can say.
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Beck is gonna be giving you a one shot. It's
not a liquor shot. But later on he's gonna give
you one shot. But both of y'all were talking about competing,
and you all you like different sports. I played golf
with both of you before, Elliott and I played with
John Daily one time in a tournament. Maybe we can
get one of those stories. I know you you and
I had to walk away from John Daly at one point.
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And Hermie, we had a good time playing in a
Randolph Making softball tournament. But talk a little bit to
the party time listeners about other sports and how you know,
maybe you supported each other in the other sports because Elliet,
you got a scholarship offer for basketball, right and Hermie?
What what? What? What else did you do besides racing?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So I played six different sports in high school.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I played football, basketball, baseball, cross country, golf, and soccer.
While I was in high school, all you know, all
different grades doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Definitely enjoyed playing sports.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I was a sports guy that was way more fun
than actually doing school work. I had a lot of
great opportunities to go play college baseball, probably at least
twenty different colleges to go play baseball. But I was
also trying to race Lake Models at that time as well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Like at South Boston.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Speedway, south Side Speedway, Orange County, and we had been
racing gold carts for a long time. And what my
dad and I were talking about in learning that it's
really hard to play college baseball during the summer and
also race. It's all racing season. So I had a
few opportunities to go to not as many as baseball,
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a few opportunities to go play basketball at different small
schools and stuff like that, to play college basketball. And
I decided to go to James Madison University to go
play for Leftry Tresel.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
When I was up there playing pickup games, you know,
when school was starting, I got hurt and tore my
meniscus in my right knee and had to have surgery
and it never healed like it probably should have. And
maybe I didn't rehabit correctly. Maybe I probably tried to
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get back on it to correct whatever the excuses may be.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You can't rehab your knee at frat parties. You can't
rehab your knee at frat parties. Is that what you're
trying to do? Well?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
That that was not in the small print party, I
thought I I didn't pay attention too well, so I
I couldn't play basketball at college.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was, you know, down and out.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I was the poor, poor, pitiful me kid, right, you know,
why did this happen to me?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know, this is not fair and all those things.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So actually I quit college, moved back home and went
to work for my dad during the day and worked
on race cars at night, and you know, just kind
of followed that so when you know, when one door
shuts and the another one opened, and was able to
kind of start my racing career that way, which I
don't know if I would have started if I was
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a will to stay and play college basketball for four years.
So look back on it now, it actually all worked
out for the best. I'll let Hermie say. But he
also played a lot of sports in high school as well.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, I'm a firm believer, Elliott that that in difficult circumstances,
there's always value. So I one hundred percent agree with
you about when when one door closes, another world. But Hermie,
how about you. I?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, I play football, basketball, and baseball. You know
you probably hadn't noticed this, but I'm short and fat,
so basketball was my best sport and hell yeah, sorry,
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I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Serving as Joe T's understudy for this show will be
Elliott Sidler.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Uh and being short and fat, you know, football, and
we won the state championship my senior year, you know,
playing football, but I wasn't gonna go anywhere my actually,
my favorite sport was baseball. But I had the same
problem Elliott had. I played Little league, you know, all
the way through, and I played Babe Ruth did all that,
we won, went to the state championship, you know, all
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these things, playing you know, wreckball. But when it came
time to high school, it was impossible to put the
time in and play baseball in high school and race
because by that time, you know, I graduated high school
in eighty seven, started at UNC and eighty eight eighty
eight the year I won the World Courting Championship. So
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all through high school, you know, and by that time,
we were going long distances to race. It wasn't just
we weren't just racing locally anymore. I mean we were
going to Ohio and Florida and you know, all places
in between. So I never actually got to play or
never never played high school baseball. I did play American
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Legion and things of that nature, you know, during you know,
so you can play during the week and and stuff
like that. But I was a decent athlete, but I
was I was never a standout athlete in any sport,
made All stars and you know, did all that kind
of thing at the local level. But I you know,
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I may have mentioned this, but I was shortened that
and so I knew pretty early on that you know
where where where I needed to head and what I
needed to do. And uh but I tell you what,
I had a ball playing e g R a rec ball, basketball, baseball, football.
Some of my most you know, fondest memories growing up
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or or or or going you know, playing you know,
playing rec sports and so but I fortunate had some success,
had some fun, but never never had an opportunity to
to play. I aske high school. Although I will say
my freshman year at North Carolina, I was a student
manager owned the lacrosse team that won the NCAAA championship.
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So that was a lot of fun. I got to
kind of live it, you know, live a dream through
them of an NCAAA championship. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, you're you mentioned North Carolina. I grew up in Locus,
North Carolina, which is between Big Lick and Frog Pond.
I don't know if you guys ever been to Big
Liquor Frog Pond before, But in North Carolina when I
was born back in nineteen sixty six, the doggers would
hold you up and they would say to the parents
State or Carolina. And at that point the parents had
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to declare who they were going to be. And thank god, Hermie,
I was a Carolina guy. I wasn't a State guy.
So I'm with you on the Carolina stuff. As you know,
because Phil Ford is my favorite athlete of all time
and Hermi's good friends with Phil Ford. Here on the
Party Time podcast we talk about behind the scenes. You
talked about people flipping you off. Elliott and Herma you
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were both getting flipped off at the same time. Was
there any time when another driver like flipped you off
through the through the through the wind show for something
that you did?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Ever, how many times Tony Stewart left me And when
I was racing in the Cup Series he flipped me
off at least that many times. You know.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We we can't communicate with each other in the race
car right We're strapped in our radios are not aligned
to speak. We can only speak to our team. So
the only way to communicate with a fellow driver is
by hand signals. So it was the one hand salute,
one you know, one finger salute, you know, all the time,
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depending who you raise. And then some of us just
flipped each other off to have fun, just just to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But yeah, well you're going two hundred miles an hour.
You're going two hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Oh, those things are easy to drive. You just driving
one hand and flip off with the other.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No problem. The problem with me like with Tony, which
Tony and I laughed about it. Eventually, I got out
of the car one day and went over and said, Tony,
I know you're tough, billy, badass all that, but if
you flip me off again, I'm gonna punch you right
in the face. Because you know, I had a small team.
I was kind of like Stark Park, you know, kind
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of thing. Tony may have been running two hundred, but
I was running one hundred and eighty five. But I
was doing the best I could right so you know,
if I didn't get out the wade right at the
right time, or if I impeded his momentum in any way,
shape or form he wants to ride by in the
home depot car running two hundred miles an hour and
flip me off in my unsponsored number two Pontiac. You know,
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you know, I tried to explain to Tony. I said,
you know, big Bill Franz one time said, to have
a race, you have to have slower cars for the
faster cars to pass to have a race. So don't
flip me off anymore. It ain't I'm not gonna I'm
not doing that. And so uh we ultimately uh laughed
about it, but that you kind of knew some of
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the guys would just, you know, kind of give you
a thumbs up or just stick your hand out like
thank you a gesture. But if they kept the record
for flipping people off, I don't know what Elliott says,
but Tony Stewart would win that award hands down.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What the funniest person that would flip everybody off? And
Hermie and I laughed about this before is Michael Waltrip's
a pretty big guy, and he's got long arms, so
when he stuck his hand out, it's like this far
out of the window. I mean, he could do all
kinds of stuff where short of people. You could just
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get the fingertips out. If Michael he'd had the whole all,
he had an unfair advantage into flipping off department.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Knowing him, I bathed. He was pretty good at it too.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
One the funniest things that you know, you always have
to pay attention to the guy in front of you.
He was hard to see through. So but I remember
being at Indianapolis Raceway Park, like ninety four, ninety five,
ninety six, right in there, and I was racing the
cost He came out and I was behind Dick Trickle.
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He was driving the number five, the Snyder car. Well,
everybody who knows Dick Trickle knows the night before and
probably the morning of every race he would drink a
case of so of beer. But he would probably smoke.
I mean every time you see him, you had a
cigarette in his hand, just like this, So all day long.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Didn't he drive with a cigarette in his mouth? Sometimes?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, I'm getting to finish my story party if you'll
shut up. Hell yeah, when you were riding behind Dick Trickle,
you never had to pay attention to the flagman because
you always new when it was one to go. Because
he'd always flick his butt cigarette butt up the window,
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so he had him all taped to the dash. So
every time he had a cigarette lighter, he had a
cigarette lighter in his car, so he every time the
cost she came out, he would light him up a
probably a pal mile knowing him, and he was smoket
going around. And then anytime, you know, I tell my crew,
and I've listened to my spider. Every time we saw
the cigarette flick at the door, I said, all right,
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it's one to go, y'all get ready. So we laughed
about that. But he drank. He had a took more
cigarettes anybody have ever known he did.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He had a rule, it's funny. So all he drank
was perhaps blue ribbon PBR. And for every PBR he
would drink the night before, he would say, that's how
many coffees.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He needed the next day to get get him ready
for the race.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And how many miles the race was was how many
hours of sleep he needed. So it was a five
hundred mile race, he needed five hours of sleep, it
was a four hundred mile race, he needed four hours.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's what his math was.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Later in life, I mean, he was pretty old when
he was doing that and was a race call driver.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He raced for a little bit when I went to
Connapolis to work for the Piedmont Bowl Evils and then
ultimately the Cannapolis Intimidators for DLL Senior was one of
the owners in Bruton Smith Larry Hendrick. Did you ever
know Larry Hendrick? Yeah, Hendrick Motorsports. He was the owner
of the team. Dick Trickle was one of the guys
that drove the forty one car for him for a
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little bit, and I got to meet him one time
and it was like one of my greatest moments because
that was back in the day when ESPN would say
Elliott Sadler won the Coca Cola six hundred to day
and Dick Trickle finished thirty second. They would always tell
you where Dick Trickle finished.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, Keith Oman. He always looked like he didn't get
any sleep. Didn't matter, he always looked rough.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All right, Vick, you're the party's pub club. We got
the Sadler others here, Elliott and Hermie Souther, Joe tre
you having a good time? Oh yeah, I bet you
got one shot. Question for Hermie and Elliott? What you
got today, buddy?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well, first of all, it's scared to see these guys
so and I always appreciated working with them at Richmond Raceway.
So I actually got a bunch of one shots, but
i'll fire off my first one to you guys. Short
track racing or super speedways? Which one is it?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Before I answer this question, I know you're not there anymore,
but I need forty tickets for this week.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I can take care of that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Hey, I need two pit passes and a parking past.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Anytime, guys, you know that anytime, I think I can
still help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But for me, I always, you know, enjoy short track
racing and probably you know a little bit biased, but
I think Virginia has got the best short tracks. You know.
Martinsville you sit right on top of the action, you know,
not a bad seat in the house. And some of
the deficiencies that I had with my race cars when
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I was running some cup races, you know, aero dynamics
or horse power or whatever didn't matter quite as much
at Martinville as it would in a Charlotte or Texas
somewhere like that. So we had a little bit better
chance to compete. And Richmond, you know, only thing I've
always wish they would do it Richmond. I don't know
what Elliott feels about this, but to me, back in
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the early two thousands, when they used to seal the
racetrack at Richmond, to me, it always provided great racing
because you start off at the bottom until you burn
the sealer off, and then everybody would slowly move up
the racetrack. So the shortest away around was always still
at the bottom, but the middle grooves would have more
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grip just because it had sealer left. And so back
in those so I prefaced that by saying Martinsville and
then the early two thousands Richmond I thought provided some
of the best short track creation that I've ever been
a part of.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And before I answered that question, Uh, Parney, you know,
we we worked with a lot of different track presidents,
race promoters and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Dennis had his stuff together.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was one of the best, not only the way
he treated the fans, but he treated the drivers, and
he always wanted input and always trying to work on
ways to get everybody in more bang for their buck.
It was just always a great open line of communication
and working together. And Uh, Dennis out that was awesome
that you were always good to us, but you were
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good to everybody like you you the uh you had
your heart and soul into.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Its I appreciate that, so thank you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I still need two pit passes for this week to
text you after this.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So I liked even though I was not as good
at short tracks, like I was really not great at
Richmond til Kevin Harbick helped me with some stuff and
I started driving for him and twenty twelve, I was
not great at Martinsville. We just as race car drivers.
Nobody really likes super speedway racing. It's just you're on
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top of each other. Somebody else's mistake usually always took
you with them. It was, you know, just kind of
dangerous element part of it. And the room for era
was always very narrow, and I know it puts on
great racing for the fans because we're all on top
of each other and we get that. But from a
driving standpoint, we were born and raised on short tracks
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in Virginia, So to be able to raise short tracks
at that level, you know, was always special, you know,
always special to us. So I will tell you a
funny story about the pit pass and stuff, Dennis. You know,
when I was racing my wife and kids came with
me whenever we had a chance, and you know, I
fact they enjoyed the race and loved being there and
(27:52):
watching it. But we did all of that. Then I
retired to spend more time at home. Well, now all
of a sudden, my son wants to go to all
the damn races. I want to go to the race.
You want to go watch, and I want to go
pull for Kyle Larson, and you know, you want to
do all these things.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So now here I am completely out of the loop.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
No, I don't have a car, a hard card anymore,
and here I am begging to plead, trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Get passes to some of these races.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But we actually are going to My son and I
going to Richmond this weekend to watch the race.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I look to seeing you up there.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'll be I'll be there too in the suite.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm not gonna be in this suite.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
We're gonna be down, probably standing on the Goodyear trailer.
If they let me sneak up there again, it's probably
what I'll do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Hey, Dennis, one other thing before we get off the things.
I need my wife if they work a credit card,
and so you have to have a credit or a
debit card to buy food in the infield, So I'm
gonna need a credit hands on, I get some chickens
and put it on party tab.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hell yeah, Party's tab is a good time to be on. Guys. Hey, BG,
you got a question that coming up? I just thought
of something I've never asked you guys, And you guys
are NASCAR fishonaudos. I've never asked anybody of this question,
but I've always thought about it. When you're racing five
hundred miles, where do you pee in the seat?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Seriously, so I'll answer this one. I have had to
pee in the seat before leaning later in my career.
You know how it is when y'all get older, You
get up two or three times a night anyway to
use the bathroom. You know, you drink so much water
and so much gatorade and stuff to get ready for
a race. And if you have a four or five
hundred mile race, if you gotta go, you gotta go.
(29:48):
You surely can't hold it that long on a bumpy
race track. So but what I try to explain to
people also is it's like peeing in a swimming pool.
Anybody ever repeating their bathing suit in the swimming pool.
Swimming pool time, me in the swimming pool. So it's like,
that's what it feels like because you're already soaking wet,
(30:09):
and you know you've sweated out ten pounds, you know,
So that is it's no really big big deal, but
it is a part of it. And that's actually the
most asked question I've ever been.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know that we all get asked in racing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What if you have to drop a deuce?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, that has never happened. That's not even with that.
So thank god I cannot answer that question. I you know,
I don't know what Elliott's experience was. I peed in
my uniform one time, and it was at Talladega during
the Cup race. We had a red flag. We'd probably
said mat laps ago, and I was surprised, even sitting
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still with the car cut off, how difficult it was
to steal relax enough to get your bilts relaxed enough
to go. I mean, I had to go, and I
wanted to go, but it was it was is not
as easy as you might think. Oh it wasn't for
me anyway, but I I did it, and I can
(31:10):
say it now because the statute of limitations has expired.
I did not tell the guy that ranted up my
uniforms after the race was over to handle that one
with gloves, but I should.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Big hit him, another hit him, another one shotter big
all right.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Favorite driver growing up and why.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
My favorite driver growing up was kill Yarborough. I just
always liked the way that he raised. I liked the
way that he, you know, kind of liked me. He
was short and fat. Hell yeah so I was, and
and tough when it comes to kill Yarborough, but I
always liked the way he raised, the way he looked.
(31:52):
I liked the number eleven Bush Beer car that he
drove for Gunior Johnson was probably my first favorite car,
and a long time ago when Heleck and I were
both young, he came to Emporia as the Grand Marshal
of the Emporia Peanut Festival Parade, and really I was
struck by how nice he was, in cordial he was,
(32:14):
and how we took time with both of us. And
then when he went and drove that twenty eight party's car,
you know, that really setting my fans on, you know,
in high gear. I had lots of favorites, but Kell
Yarbird was at the top of my list as a kid.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Now was probably Dale Earnhardt, especially after he got the
GM Good Wrench sponsorship, because you know, our dad owned
the Chevrolet dealership as we were growing up, So when
he got that sponsorship, we started getting all kinds of
shirts and hats and stuff coming through the dealership, you know,
for us, and it kind of gave us a car
to pull for so, you know, of course that was
(32:54):
the thing to do at the time, right. He was
the kind of the blue collar guy, every man, staying
your ground kind of driver, and I just you know,
I kind of really enjoyed that and liked that, you know,
during my time watching the racing. So he's probably my
favorite as I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well in my thirty five year career guys thirty five
years career in sports, probably one of my top three
for sure, top three, maybe even the gold medal winner
was the day in Mooresville, North Carolina, when I was
walking down the race shop hallway and Della Earnhardt Sr.
Walked past me and said, Hey, Parney, what's up. He
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knew me by my nickname, and that was the one
of the greatest moments of my entire life, and to
this day, I still feel that way he was. He
was a great guy and I was very blessed to
be able to know him just a little bit. You
guys know him way better, way better than I did.
We're gonna start wrapping up here in a second. I
want both of you because one of the things I
love and respect about both of you guys is your family.
(33:54):
So if both of you could just talk a little
bit about your family life now and what you're doing.
I know, Hermi, you said Elliott's late for work today,
so you know, I apologize he's late for work, but
talk a little bit about what you're doing with your family. Hermie,
I know you're a grandfather now, uh. And Elliott, I
know you're busy raising your kids. You're always at the
ball fields and stuff like that. So talk about that
(34:15):
for a little bit real quick, if you don't mind,
because I know that's really important to you, and I
wanted to highlight that on this show since we had
you on Party Party Time today. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm doing never been happier. You know, my life has
flowed down some I told people my whole life, you know,
when I was racing and doing TV the TV work
was never hard work for me. But and so I've
always looked at it like, for those years, Fox paid
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me to travel and be gone for my family. That's
what really what they paid us to do. Because I
kept up with the racing anyway, I knew that, you know,
the people there and all that. But uh, they they paid.
They paid me to be gone for about twenty years.
And I look back now and maybe I wish I
wouldn't wish I wasn't gone quite as much back in
(35:10):
those days. But right now, as you mentioned, my oldest daughter, Cora,
has a daughter, her and Cameron, my first granddaughter. She's
nine months old. She's awesome. That's been a lot of
fun and Core and Cameron are doing great. Hayley just
recently had a birthday. She's my special needs daughter. She's
twenty six years old and she wakes up every day.
(35:32):
In fact, since we've been doing this podcast, she's come
to my door twice trying to do her chores.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Order.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Her chores is taking out the trash and all the
offices and wipe down all the door handles and light switches,
you know, with chlorox wipes and all. She does that
in the office and she'll go to Fox Show and
wrap cilvilware and do stuff over there. She's doing great always.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I I wish her happy birthday. Heard me on Twitter.
I wish her happy birthday on Twitter. Don't know if
you saw that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I appreciate that. Yeah, she's awesome. In Naomi, my youngest
is she's actually working in the office this summer helping us.
She's learning the family business, learning how to do retail
posting and things of that nature, and working with our
pilot and flying Jay. She's doing all that and she's
getting ready to start her I can't believe at parting
(36:21):
her senior year at Randolph making on the softball team.
So time is flying. But we're all busy, but never
had more fun. My kids are doing great. Happy for him,
and makes me feel like we at least did a
few things right when they were growing up, because they're
all doing really really good right now.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well you did for sure, Elliott.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So my son Wyatt is fourteen now, my daughter Austin
is twelve and growing too fast, and you know, playing sports,
playing a lot of ball at school. And my daughter
is this time of year is cheerleading and volleyball. As
we're getting ready for the school season, and the head
coach of her volleyball team needed somebody to be the
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assistant coach. She was looking for some help. She was
trying to coach a couple of teams by herself. So
my daughter gets home from practice last night says, Dad
nominated you to be the assistant coach for the middle
school girls volleyball team. So I'm branching out here starting
today my first day of practice.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Joe t Ellian Southern as a volleyball coach.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Hell yeah, hell you. So you do to me because
my daughters always told me, Dad, if you coach the team,
I'm quitting. I asked her what she okay with it?
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And she said, yes, Daddy, I want you to be
there and coach. So I said, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
You know why he's doing a little racing now. We're
doing some go kart racing.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
He's just, i mean, just starting with that and we're
having fun doing that together follow our son. Of course,
my wife's a school teacher and then I coach high
school sports now middle school sports. So we're involved with
our schools a lot. We're involved with giving back to
our community a lot through our taip hand foundation stuff
(38:16):
as well, trying to help kids chase their dreams and
maybe have an opportunity to go play college ball somewhere,
to kind of help pave their way for an education.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But Hermie and I very we actually were talking about
this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Hermi and I are very fortunate where our families are
all still close. We're in the same building pretty much
all day each each week. We still do a lot
of stuff together. We're all meet at the lake to
go ride the pontoon boat together, or we'll come to
my house to eat dinner, or we'll meet at folk show.
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Our families all still here in Emporia, which is very fortunate,
and we try to do as much as we can together.
We've always believed in a strong family and faith to
kind of help support each other and keep each other going,
and you know, still that's still very true today. Just
love watching our kids all grow up together and support
each other and be big fans of each other. And
(39:14):
you know, that's one of the reasons why I retired.
I had I had chased my dreams long enough personally,
and I want to get back home and enjoy more
family time and and I'll echo with Hermie just said,
I'm as happy as I've ever been, and satisfied and
relaxed and just feel like everything's going in the right direction.
It really has been the very best time at home
(39:36):
with our family.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Who sings at the church choir? Which one of you
guys sing in the church choir?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Me? I have church choir, Elliott sings. I preach.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, if you're preaching, I want to come to that church.
That's the church I want to come to. Guys, We're
going to wrap it up. Why it's yelling at me
in my earbud Beck, thank you very much. Beat it.
Do you have one really quick one head and I
can answer yes or no real quick.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
First, I just want to say thank you to these guys. No,
no last quick hitter, But for everyone watching and listening,
do some research on the history and legacy of racing
in Virginia, and we're blessed to have guys like this
like the Saddlers and the Burtons and and and the
legacy is deep. So I appreciate these two guys and
what they've done for the sport throughout their careers and
(40:24):
ongoing now, So thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And I echo that, BI, could we pick up the
pit passes? Come on, come on up, they're digital. Now. Hey,
I just got another phone call from somebody else that
I hadn't heard from in ten years. I need. I
am not surprised by any of this. Trust men told me.
God told me he met me the trucks top twelve
(40:50):
years ago, so that I need.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And that happened to me when when the Giants run
in the World Series, I had a guy called me.
I didn't see him since high school graduation. He wanted
ten tickets in the World Series in San Francisco. This podcast,
as I said, all about relationships, all about friendships, and
I know I don't get to see y'all very much.
Hermie stopped in last year. Just came by the ballpark
(41:16):
and I said, come on out, we'll watch batting Pattis.
It was our playoff game. Herbie said, I know, it's
our playoff game, so I wish I could see you more.
But I love both of you. I wanted you to
talk about your families because I think the Sadler family
is one of the coolest families I've ever been around.
I met your mom and dad. Of course I know
your wives kids. You weren't able to come to Tanya
(41:37):
in my wedding because you had a family event. I
think it was somebody's birthday, wasn't it. So I have
much love for both of you guys. Thanks for joining
us today, thanks for being on the Party Time Podcast,
and we'll look forward to seeing y'all again real soon
somewhere in Richmond or around Virginia. Don't speed everybody when
you go through Emporia. Don't speak through Emporia. Hey everybody,
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I am so excited to have with us today the
(01:51):
Sadler Brothers, Hermi and Elliott Sadler behind me with the
pub club. We have Joe t Joe Tire you excited
about Hermie? Hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And then and our special, our special Party's Pop guest
member hand selected for this one is Dennis Pickmyer, formerly
working with the Sadler Brothers in the racing world. We've
had a lot of success so far in the Party
Time Podcast. Elliott even sent me a text told me
he thought I was decent at it. So we're excited
(02:22):
to have these guys. They got their practice hit a
couple of weeks ago on the Dirty Mow Media they
practiced for the Party Time Podcast with Dale Junior. So
Elliott and Hermie sad Welcome to the Party Time Podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, this, this podcast is all about relationships, and I
had you guys on together for a reason. We talk
about relationships over thirty five years of minor league baseball,
relationships in the sports world. Certainly I have individual relationships
with each of you, but I wanted to start with this.
You guys are brothers, obviously, same last name Saddler, You're
(03:02):
six years and six days apart. I've always wanted to
have her brother my cousin. Alan's kind of like my
brother Joe. T's like my my much older, uglier brother.
So why was it like growing up as brothers. Let's
start right there.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, let me say before Elliott, Uh, he's on the
market for a small feet party. He can be yours
for a fief.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I I think me and Elliott would probably raise too
much hell at family outings if we were together, So
I'm gonna have to pass on that one. But what Hermie,
you're you're the oldest, So do you do you dominate?
You dominate Elliott? Like, what, how's that relationship?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I can't wait for Ellie to tell you all the
lies about I used to beat him up when he
was a kid and leave him in a dark room
by himself. All that me coming from, you know, a
life where my older sister routinely put me in the dryer,
the closed dryer. Uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Why are you're still so dirty? Then herman, if you
were in the dryer all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
She never put me in washing machine, just a dryer.
That's why, you know, Uh, there is an age difference.
But you know it to me is it's I think
it's probably gone better with an age difference than it
would have if we were you know, one or two
years apart, because you know, we always competed, but we
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were always kind of at different times growing up playing
ball and even racing. We never you know, go karts.
We weren't you know, in the same class growing up.
We later became teammates for a while in the you know,
in the boot series. But you know, I think it's
better than it would have been had we been always competing,
you know, against each other in every age group and
(04:54):
every sport. Uh, you know, coming along, it's been nice
that I could go do my thing and then move on.
He could come along and you know and do his thing,
and we could support each other one hundred percent. And
I think that's what we've always done.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Ellett, what's your response to that, because this is a
conversation amongst us all. This is not an interview, Whyatt
told me early on in the podcast. These are conversations
like we're hanging out in a bar. Party's pop right
on the other side of this wall.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So first of all, I want to start by being
six years and six days younger. Obviously I was an accident, so.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
That also has.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Made it where Hermie is the favorite in your family,
and my mom reminds us of that all the time,
that Hermie's the favorite. Yes, he used to beat me
up as a kid all the time, but yeah, it
made me tougher, right, And that's what I'm supposed to say,
you know, hard times make you tougher. I think the
best thing about being six years apart is we never
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had to compete against each other. So yes, we were
competing in sports, and we were competing in racing, like
he said, but we were also each other as biggest fan.
And the only time we really ever competed against each
other we were teammates one year in the Bush Series.
But in nineteen ninety five, Hermi came back to South
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Boston to run a late model race like a coming
back home party after he had gone off to the
Bush Series and one Rookie of the year Virginia's Lover's Car,
and we competed against each other in that race.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well halfway, I was leading the race.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
One of my rivals, Stacey Compton, was running second, Hermie
was running third. We were running race. All of a sudden,
caution come out. I don't know why the caution came out.
Caution comes out all of a sudden. Everybody's giving me
the finger, and I'm like all the fans and everybody
booing and.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Throwing stuff at our car. I'm good.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I look in my mirror. I didn't see Stacy Compton
back there anymore. So my brother had come and taken
out my biggest rival for me, uh in one of
the only races we ever competed against each other. So
actually that worked out to my advantage. So we we
we might work on those things moving ahead as as uh.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Hey, you know what, I know what I Uncle Bud
used to say, if you're gonna qualify upfront, you better
act like you got to act like. I thought that
Stacey lifted too early heading in.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The turn three.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But we had been fun with that. Uh, you know,
after that crash, we rode around under caution, and obviously
they were giving me the finger. But Elliott and I
had radios. We could actually talk to each other, and
I'm like, Elliott, why are these people giving you the finger?
He give me so Uh that was.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We laughed on.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It was not laughable at the time. It was. It
was an accident, but I did tear his car up,
uh pretty bad. And then that left the race to
me and Elliott. You know we could just amongst us. Yeah,
so is that so?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So? So? Who won that race? Hermie so big brother
went out. Huh is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, I actually won.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I actually I won the race, but then I got
called illegal.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Paid off to tech me in before him. I had
to get one. Elliot, let me have one, because he
won like seventeen all year so didn't hurt him at all.
Let me get one.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
South South Boston Is that where you eat the bologne
the Bologney sandwiches out of it?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So South Boston Speedway when I was a crew member
for Herme's race team there before I started racing. This
is probably like nineteen ninety one, ninety two, something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was already working in baseball, guys, that's how long
ago that was. I was already working for the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Me and a buddy of mine on the on the crew.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
As we just we would eat blonneyburg We were there
all day at the track and we were eating Bloonneyburgers.
In eating, well, Hermie had some bad luck, like, you know,
two or three races in a row. He'd gotten wrecked
or throw the car or just bad stuff. So I
kept eating and kept eating. We always kind of kept
count when we ate ate today or nine or ten.
So I decided to eat sixteen because that was the
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number on Hermei's race car. So hew, I'm gonna eat sixteen.
Let's let's go for it. Man, it might change our luck,
you know how. You always think of different ways to
change your luck at the racetrack. Were very superstitious. So
I ate sixteen the Loneburgers that day. And that's in
a long time frame. That's not like in an hour.
That's from you know, twelve o'clock in the afternoons or
(09:44):
ten eleven o'clock at night, and uh, sixteen a lonelyburger.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So I have no idea how he did that night.
I was stuck in the porta John, that's how That's
how committed Elliott was to putting in the work necessary
to be a good crewman. He was more worried about
how many bologna burgers he was going at the one
day record for that and not be too concerned about
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how the sixteen was running.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, one of my favorite parts of the movie about
Cole Trickle is when he says, Cole, you can't come
in now, me and the crew are eating some ice cream.
That's one of my favorite parts of that movie.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
See, I didn't get paid to be on Hermie's pit crew,
but we got for dim for food, so I just
took it out of foods.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, that's amazing, Beck, you're the party pub club person
for today. Joe T doesn't say anything Elliott and Hermie.
All Joe T Is able to do on the Party
Time podcast is either agree or disagree. Hell yeah, that
means he agrees and that means he disagrees. So just
so y'all know, Joe T's that's all he can say.
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Beck is gonna be giving you a one shot. It's
not a liquor shot. But later on he's gonna give
you one shot. But both of y'all were talking about competing,
and you all you like different sports. I played golf
with both of you before, Elliott and I played with
John Daily one time in a tournament. Maybe we can
get one of those stories. I know you you and
I had to walk away from John Daly at one point.
(11:17):
And Hermie, we had a good time playing in a
Randolph Making softball tournament. But talk a little bit to
the party time listeners about other sports and how you know,
maybe you supported each other in the other sports because Elliet,
you got a scholarship offer for basketball, right and Hermie?
What what? What? What else did you do besides racing?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So I played six different sports in high school.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I played football, basketball, baseball, cross country, golf, and soccer.
While I was in high school, all you know, all
different grades doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Definitely enjoyed playing sports.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I was a sports guy that was way more fun
than actually doing school work. I had a lot of
great opportunities to go play college baseball, probably at least
twenty different colleges to go play baseball. But I was
also trying to race Lake Models at that time as well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Like at South Boston.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Speedway, south Side Speedway, Orange County, and we had been
racing gold carts for a long time. And what my
dad and I were talking about in learning that it's
really hard to play college baseball during the summer and
also race. It's all racing season. So I had a
few opportunities to go to not as many as baseball,
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a few opportunities to go play basketball at different small
schools and stuff like that, to play college basketball. And
I decided to go to James Madison University to go
play for Leftry Tresel.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
When I was up there playing pickup games, you know,
when school was starting, I got hurt and tore my
meniscus in my right knee and had to have surgery
and it never healed like it probably should have. And
maybe I didn't rehabit correctly. Maybe I probably tried to
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get back on it to correct whatever the excuses may be.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You can't rehab your knee at frat parties. You can't
rehab your knee at frat parties. Is that what you're
trying to do? Well?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
That that was not in the small print party, I
thought I I didn't pay attention too well, so I
I couldn't play basketball at college.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was, you know, down and out.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I was the poor, poor, pitiful me kid, right, you know,
why did this happen to me?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know, this is not fair and all those things.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So actually I quit college, moved back home and went
to work for my dad during the day and worked
on race cars at night, and you know, just kind
of followed that so when you know, when one door
shuts and the another one opened, and was able to
kind of start my racing career that way, which I
don't know if I would have started if I was
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a will to stay and play college basketball for four years.
So look back on it now, it actually all worked
out for the best. I'll let Hermie say. But he
also played a lot of sports in high school as well.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, I'm a firm believer, Elliott that that in difficult circumstances,
there's always value. So I one hundred percent agree with
you about when when one door closes, another world. But Hermie,
how about you. I?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, I play football, basketball, and baseball. You know
you probably hadn't noticed this, but I'm short and fat,
so basketball was my best sport and hell yeah, sorry,
(14:49):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Serving as Joe T's understudy for this show will be
Elliott Sidler.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Uh and being short and fat, you know, football, and
we won the state championship my senior year, you know,
playing football, but I wasn't gonna go anywhere my actually,
my favorite sport was baseball. But I had the same
problem Elliott had. I played Little league, you know, all
the way through, and I played Babe Ruth did all that,
we won, went to the state championship, you know, all
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these things, playing you know, wreckball. But when it came
time to high school, it was impossible to put the
time in and play baseball in high school and race
because by that time, you know, I graduated high school
in eighty seven, started at UNC and eighty eight eighty
eight the year I won the World Courting Championship. So
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all through high school, you know, and by that time,
we were going long distances to race. It wasn't just
we weren't just racing locally anymore. I mean we were
going to Ohio and Florida and you know, all places
in between. So I never actually got to play or
never never played high school baseball. I did play American
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Legion and things of that nature, you know, during you know,
so you can play during the week and and stuff
like that. But I was a decent athlete, but I
was I was never a standout athlete in any sport,
made All stars and you know, did all that kind
of thing at the local level. But I you know,
(16:22):
I may have mentioned this, but I was shortened that
and so I knew pretty early on that you know
where where where I needed to head and what I
needed to do. And uh but I tell you what,
I had a ball playing e g R a rec ball, basketball, baseball, football.
Some of my most you know, fondest memories growing up
(16:44):
or or or or going you know, playing you know,
playing rec sports and so but I fortunate had some success,
had some fun, but never never had an opportunity to
to play. I aske high school. Although I will say
my freshman year at North Carolina, I was a student
manager owned the lacrosse team that won the NCAAA championship.
(17:09):
So that was a lot of fun. I got to
kind of live it, you know, live a dream through
them of an NCAAA championship. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, you're you mentioned North Carolina. I grew up in Locus,
North Carolina, which is between Big Lick and Frog Pond.
I don't know if you guys ever been to Big
Liquor Frog Pond before, But in North Carolina when I
was born back in nineteen sixty six, the doggers would
hold you up and they would say to the parents
State or Carolina. And at that point the parents had
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to declare who they were going to be. And thank god, Hermie,
I was a Carolina guy. I wasn't a State guy.
So I'm with you on the Carolina stuff. As you know,
because Phil Ford is my favorite athlete of all time
and Hermi's good friends with Phil Ford. Here on the
Party Time podcast we talk about behind the scenes. You
talked about people flipping you off. Elliott and Herma you
(18:00):
were both getting flipped off at the same time. Was
there any time when another driver like flipped you off
through the through the through the wind show for something
that you did?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Ever, how many times Tony Stewart left me And when
I was racing in the Cup Series he flipped me
off at least that many times. You know.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We we can't communicate with each other in the race
car right We're strapped in our radios are not aligned
to speak. We can only speak to our team. So
the only way to communicate with a fellow driver is
by hand signals. So it was the one hand salute,
one you know, one finger salute, you know, all the time,
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depending who you raise. And then some of us just
flipped each other off to have fun, just just to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But yeah, well you're going two hundred miles an hour.
You're going two hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Oh, those things are easy to drive. You just driving
one hand and flip off with the other.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No problem. The problem with me like with Tony, which
Tony and I laughed about it. Eventually, I got out
of the car one day and went over and said, Tony,
I know you're tough, billy, badass all that, but if
you flip me off again, I'm gonna punch you right
in the face. Because you know, I had a small team.
I was kind of like Stark Park, you know, kind
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of thing. Tony may have been running two hundred, but
I was running one hundred and eighty five. But I
was doing the best I could right so you know,
if I didn't get out the wade right at the
right time, or if I impeded his momentum in any way,
shape or form he wants to ride by in the
home depot car running two hundred miles an hour and
flip me off in my unsponsored number two Pontiac. You know,
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you know, I tried to explain to Tony. I said,
you know, big Bill Franz one time said, to have
a race, you have to have slower cars for the
faster cars to pass to have a race. So don't
flip me off anymore. It ain't I'm not gonna I'm
not doing that. And so uh we ultimately uh laughed
about it, but that you kind of knew some of
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the guys would just, you know, kind of give you
a thumbs up or just stick your hand out like
thank you a gesture. But if they kept the record
for flipping people off, I don't know what Elliott says,
but Tony Stewart would win that award hands down.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What the funniest person that would flip everybody off? And
Hermie and I laughed about this before is Michael Waltrip's
a pretty big guy, and he's got long arms, so
when he stuck his hand out, it's like this far
out of the window. I mean, he could do all
kinds of stuff where short of people. You could just
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get the fingertips out. If Michael he'd had the whole all,
he had an unfair advantage into flipping off department.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Knowing him, I bathed. He was pretty good at it too.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
One the funniest things that you know, you always have
to pay attention to the guy in front of you.
He was hard to see through. So but I remember
being at Indianapolis Raceway Park, like ninety four, ninety five,
ninety six, right in there, and I was racing the
cost He came out and I was behind Dick Trickle.
(21:22):
He was driving the number five, the Snyder car. Well,
everybody who knows Dick Trickle knows the night before and
probably the morning of every race he would drink a
case of so of beer. But he would probably smoke.
I mean every time you see him, you had a
cigarette in his hand, just like this, So all day long.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Didn't he drive with a cigarette in his mouth? Sometimes?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, I'm getting to finish my story party if you'll
shut up. Hell yeah, when you were riding behind Dick Trickle,
you never had to pay attention to the flagman because
you always new when it was one to go. Because
he'd always flick his butt cigarette butt up the window,
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so he had him all taped to the dash. So
every time he had a cigarette lighter, he had a
cigarette lighter in his car, so he every time the
cost she came out, he would light him up a
probably a pal mile knowing him, and he was smoket
going around. And then anytime, you know, I tell my crew,
and I've listened to my spider. Every time we saw
the cigarette flick at the door, I said, all right,
(22:27):
it's one to go, y'all get ready. So we laughed
about that. But he drank. He had a took more
cigarettes anybody have ever known he did.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He had a rule, it's funny. So all he drank
was perhaps blue ribbon PBR. And for every PBR he
would drink the night before, he would say, that's how
many coffees.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He needed the next day to get get him ready
for the race.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And how many miles the race was was how many
hours of sleep he needed. So it was a five
hundred mile race, he needed five hours of sleep, it
was a four hundred mile race, he needed four hours.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's what his math was.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Later in life, I mean, he was pretty old when
he was doing that and was a race call driver.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
He raced for a little bit when I went to
Connapolis to work for the Piedmont Bowl Evils and then
ultimately the Cannapolis Intimidators for DLL Senior was one of
the owners in Bruton Smith Larry Hendrick. Did you ever
know Larry Hendrick? Yeah, Hendrick Motorsports. He was the owner
of the team. Dick Trickle was one of the guys
that drove the forty one car for him for a
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little bit, and I got to meet him one time
and it was like one of my greatest moments because
that was back in the day when ESPN would say
Elliott Sadler won the Coca Cola six hundred to day
and Dick Trickle finished thirty second. They would always tell
you where Dick Trickle finished.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, Keith Oman. He always looked like he didn't get
any sleep. Didn't matter, he always looked rough.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All right, Vick, you're the party's pub club. We got
the Sadler others here, Elliott and Hermie Souther, Joe tre
you having a good time? Oh yeah, I bet you
got one shot. Question for Hermie and Elliott? What you
got today, buddy?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well, first of all, it's scared to see these guys
so and I always appreciated working with them at Richmond Raceway.
So I actually got a bunch of one shots, but
i'll fire off my first one to you guys. Short
track racing or super speedways? Which one is it?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Before I answer this question, I know you're not there anymore,
but I need forty tickets for this week.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I can take care of that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Hey, I need two pit passes and a parking past.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Anytime, guys, you know that anytime, I think I can
still help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
But for me, I always, you know, enjoy short track
racing and probably you know a little bit biased, but
I think Virginia has got the best short tracks. You know.
Martinsville you sit right on top of the action, you know,
not a bad seat in the house. And some of
the deficiencies that I had with my race cars when
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I was running some cup races, you know, aero dynamics
or horse power or whatever didn't matter quite as much
at Martinville as it would in a Charlotte or Texas
somewhere like that. So we had a little bit better
chance to compete. And Richmond, you know, only thing I've
always wish they would do it Richmond. I don't know
what Elliott feels about this, but to me, back in
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the early two thousands, when they used to seal the
racetrack at Richmond, to me, it always provided great racing
because you start off at the bottom until you burn
the sealer off, and then everybody would slowly move up
the racetrack. So the shortest away around was always still
at the bottom, but the middle grooves would have more
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grip just because it had sealer left. And so back
in those so I prefaced that by saying Martinsville and
then the early two thousands Richmond I thought provided some
of the best short track creation that I've ever been
a part of.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And before I answered that question, Uh, Parney, you know,
we we worked with a lot of different track presidents,
race promoters and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Dennis had his stuff together.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was one of the best, not only the way
he treated the fans, but he treated the drivers, and
he always wanted input and always trying to work on
ways to get everybody in more bang for their buck.
It was just always a great open line of communication
and working together. And Uh, Dennis out that was awesome
that you were always good to us, but you were
(26:33):
good to everybody like you you the uh you had
your heart and soul into.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Its I appreciate that, so thank you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I still need two pit passes for this week to
text you after this.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So I liked even though I was not as good
at short tracks, like I was really not great at
Richmond til Kevin Harbick helped me with some stuff and
I started driving for him and twenty twelve, I was
not great at Martinsville. We just as race car drivers.
Nobody really likes super speedway racing. It's just you're on
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top of each other. Somebody else's mistake usually always took
you with them. It was, you know, just kind of
dangerous element part of it. And the room for era
was always very narrow, and I know it puts on
great racing for the fans because we're all on top
of each other and we get that. But from a
driving standpoint, we were born and raised on short tracks
(27:30):
in Virginia, So to be able to raise short tracks
at that level, you know, was always special, you know,
always special to us. So I will tell you a
funny story about the pit pass and stuff, Dennis. You know,
when I was racing my wife and kids came with
me whenever we had a chance, and you know, I
fact they enjoyed the race and loved being there and
(27:52):
watching it. But we did all of that. Then I
retired to spend more time at home. Well, now all
of a sudden, my son wants to go to all
the damn races. I want to go to the race.
You want to go watch, and I want to go
pull for Kyle Larson, and you know, you want to
do all these things.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So now here I am completely out of the loop.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
No, I don't have a car, a hard card anymore,
and here I am begging to plead, trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Get passes to some of these races.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
But we actually are going to My son and I
going to Richmond this weekend to watch the race.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I look to seeing you up there.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'll be I'll be there too in the suite.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm not gonna be in this suite.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
We're gonna be down, probably standing on the Goodyear trailer.
If they let me sneak up there again, it's probably
what I'll do.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Hey, Dennis, one other thing before we get off the things.
I need my wife if they work a credit card,
and so you have to have a credit or a
debit card to buy food in the infield, So I'm
gonna need a credit hands on, I get some chickens
and put it on party tab.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hell yeah, Party's tab is a good time to be on. Guys. Hey, BG,
you got a question that coming up? I just thought
of something I've never asked you guys, And you guys
are NASCAR fishonaudos. I've never asked anybody of this question,
but I've always thought about it. When you're racing five
hundred miles, where do you pee in the seat?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Seriously, so I'll answer this one. I have had to
pee in the seat before leaning later in my career.
You know how it is when y'all get older, You
get up two or three times a night anyway to
use the bathroom. You know, you drink so much water
and so much gatorade and stuff to get ready for
a race. And if you have a four or five
hundred mile race, if you gotta go, you gotta go.
(29:48):
You surely can't hold it that long on a bumpy
race track. So but what I try to explain to
people also is it's like peeing in a swimming pool.
Anybody ever repeating their bathing suit in the swimming pool.
Swimming pool time, me in the swimming pool. So it's like,
that's what it feels like because you're already soaking wet,
(30:09):
and you know you've sweated out ten pounds, you know,
So that is it's no really big big deal, but
it is a part of it. And that's actually the
most asked question I've ever been.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know that we all get asked in racing.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What if you have to drop a deuce?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, that has never happened. That's not even with that.
So thank god I cannot answer that question. I you know,
I don't know what Elliott's experience was. I peed in
my uniform one time, and it was at Talladega during
the Cup race. We had a red flag. We'd probably
said mat laps ago, and I was surprised, even sitting
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still with the car cut off, how difficult it was
to steal relax enough to get your bilts relaxed enough
to go. I mean, I had to go, and I
wanted to go, but it was it was is not
as easy as you might think. Oh it wasn't for
me anyway, but I I did it, and I can
(31:10):
say it now because the statute of limitations has expired.
I did not tell the guy that ranted up my
uniforms after the race was over to handle that one
with gloves, but I should.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Big hit him, another hit him, another one shotter big
all right.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Favorite driver growing up and why.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
My favorite driver growing up was kill Yarborough. I just
always liked the way that he raised. I liked the
way that he, you know, kind of liked me. He
was short and fat. Hell yeah so I was, and
and tough when it comes to kill Yarborough, but I
always liked the way he raised, the way he looked.
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I liked the number eleven Bush Beer car that he
drove for Gunior Johnson was probably my first favorite car,
and a long time ago when Heleck and I were
both young, he came to Emporia as the Grand Marshal
of the Emporia Peanut Festival Parade, and really I was
struck by how nice he was, in cordial he was,
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and how we took time with both of us. And
then when he went and drove that twenty eight party's car,
you know, that really setting my fans on, you know,
in high gear. I had lots of favorites, but Kell
Yarbird was at the top of my list as a kid.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Now was probably Dale Earnhardt, especially after he got the
GM Good Wrench sponsorship, because you know, our dad owned
the Chevrolet dealership as we were growing up, So when
he got that sponsorship, we started getting all kinds of
shirts and hats and stuff coming through the dealership, you know,
for us, and it kind of gave us a car
to pull for so, you know, of course that was
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the thing to do at the time, right. He was
the kind of the blue collar guy, every man, staying
your ground kind of driver, and I just you know,
I kind of really enjoyed that and liked that, you know,
during my time watching the racing. So he's probably my
favorite as I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well in my thirty five year career guys thirty five
years career in sports, probably one of my top three
for sure, top three, maybe even the gold medal winner
was the day in Mooresville, North Carolina, when I was
walking down the race shop hallway and Della Earnhardt Sr.
Walked past me and said, Hey, Parney, what's up. He
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knew me by my nickname, and that was the one
of the greatest moments of my entire life, and to
this day, I still feel that way he was. He
was a great guy and I was very blessed to
be able to know him just a little bit. You
guys know him way better, way better than I did.
We're gonna start wrapping up here in a second. I
want both of you because one of the things I
love and respect about both of you guys is your family.
(33:54):
So if both of you could just talk a little
bit about your family life now and what you're doing.
I know, Hermi, you said Elliott's late for work today,
so you know, I apologize he's late for work, but
talk a little bit about what you're doing with your family. Hermie,
I know you're a grandfather now, uh. And Elliott, I
know you're busy raising your kids. You're always at the
ball fields and stuff like that. So talk about that
(34:15):
for a little bit real quick, if you don't mind,
because I know that's really important to you, and I
wanted to highlight that on this show since we had
you on Party Party Time today. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm doing never been happier. You know, my life has
flowed down some I told people my whole life, you know,
when I was racing and doing TV the TV work
was never hard work for me. But and so I've
always looked at it like, for those years, Fox paid
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me to travel and be gone for my family. That's
what really what they paid us to do. Because I
kept up with the racing anyway, I knew that, you know,
the people there and all that. But uh, they they paid.
They paid me to be gone for about twenty years.
And I look back now and maybe I wish I
wouldn't wish I wasn't gone quite as much back in
(35:10):
those days. But right now, as you mentioned, my oldest daughter, Cora,
has a daughter, her and Cameron, my first granddaughter. She's
nine months old. She's awesome. That's been a lot of
fun and Core and Cameron are doing great. Hayley just
recently had a birthday. She's my special needs daughter. She's
twenty six years old and she wakes up every day.
(35:32):
In fact, since we've been doing this podcast, she's come
to my door twice trying to do her chores.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Order.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Her chores is taking out the trash and all the
offices and wipe down all the door handles and light switches,
you know, with chlorox wipes and all. She does that
in the office and she'll go to Fox Show and
wrap cilvilware and do stuff over there. She's doing great always.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I I wish her happy birthday. Heard me on Twitter.
I wish her happy birthday on Twitter. Don't know if
you saw that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I appreciate that. Yeah, she's awesome. In Naomi, my youngest
is she's actually working in the office this summer helping us.
She's learning the family business, learning how to do retail
posting and things of that nature, and working with our
pilot and flying Jay. She's doing all that and she's
getting ready to start her I can't believe at parting
(36:21):
her senior year at Randolph making on the softball team.
So time is flying. But we're all busy, but never
had more fun. My kids are doing great. Happy for him,
and makes me feel like we at least did a
few things right when they were growing up, because they're
all doing really really good right now.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Well you did for sure, Elliott.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So my son Wyatt is fourteen now, my daughter Austin
is twelve and growing too fast, and you know, playing sports,
playing a lot of ball at school. And my daughter
is this time of year is cheerleading and volleyball. As
we're getting ready for the school season, and the head
coach of her volleyball team needed somebody to be the
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assistant coach. She was looking for some help. She was
trying to coach a couple of teams by herself. So
my daughter gets home from practice last night says, Dad
nominated you to be the assistant coach for the middle
school girls volleyball team. So I'm branching out here starting
today my first day of practice.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Joe t Ellian Southern as a volleyball coach.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Hell yeah, hell you. So you do to me because
my daughters always told me, Dad, if you coach the team,
I'm quitting. I asked her what she okay with it?
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And she said, yes, Daddy, I want you to be
there and coach. So I said, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
You know why he's doing a little racing now. We're
doing some go kart racing.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
He's just, i mean, just starting with that and we're
having fun doing that together follow our son. Of course,
my wife's a school teacher and then I coach high
school sports now middle school sports. So we're involved with
our schools a lot. We're involved with giving back to
our community a lot through our taip hand foundation stuff
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as well, trying to help kids chase their dreams and
maybe have an opportunity to go play college ball somewhere,
to kind of help pave their way for an education.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But Hermie and I very we actually were talking about
this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Hermi and I are very fortunate where our families are
all still close. We're in the same building pretty much
all day each each week. We still do a lot
of stuff together. We're all meet at the lake to
go ride the pontoon boat together, or we'll come to
my house to eat dinner, or we'll meet at folk show.
(38:51):
Our families all still here in Emporia, which is very fortunate,
and we try to do as much as we can together.
We've always believed in a strong family and faith to
kind of help support each other and keep each other going,
and you know, still that's still very true today. Just
love watching our kids all grow up together and support
each other and be big fans of each other. And
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you know, that's one of the reasons why I retired.
I had I had chased my dreams long enough personally,
and I want to get back home and enjoy more
family time and and I'll echo with Hermie just said,
I'm as happy as I've ever been, and satisfied and
relaxed and just feel like everything's going in the right direction.
It really has been the very best time at home
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with our family.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Who sings at the church choir? Which one of you
guys sing in the church choir?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Me? I have church choir, Elliott sings. I preach.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, if you're preaching, I want to come to that church.
That's the church I want to come to. Guys, We're
going to wrap it up. Why it's yelling at me
in my earbud Beck, thank you very much. Beat it.
Do you have one really quick one head and I
can answer yes or no real quick.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
First, I just want to say thank you to these guys. No,
no last quick hitter, But for everyone watching and listening,
do some research on the history and legacy of racing
in Virginia, and we're blessed to have guys like this
like the Saddlers and the Burtons and and and the
legacy is deep. So I appreciate these two guys and
what they've done for the sport throughout their careers and
(40:24):
ongoing now, So thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And I echo that, BI, could we pick up the
pit passes? Come on, come on up, they're digital. Now. Hey,
I just got another phone call from somebody else that
I hadn't heard from in ten years. I need. I
am not surprised by any of this. Trust men told me.
God told me he met me the trucks top twelve
(40:50):
years ago, so that I need.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And that happened to me when when the Giants run
in the World Series, I had a guy called me.
I didn't see him since high school graduation. He wanted
ten tickets in the World Series in San Francisco. This podcast,
as I said, all about relationships, all about friendships, and
I know I don't get to see y'all very much.
Hermie stopped in last year. Just came by the ballpark
(41:16):
and I said, come on out, we'll watch batting Pattis.
It was our playoff game. Herbie said, I know, it's
our playoff game, so I wish I could see you more.
But I love both of you. I wanted you to
talk about your families because I think the Sadler family
is one of the coolest families I've ever been around.
I met your mom and dad. Of course I know
your wives kids. You weren't able to come to Tanya
(41:37):
in my wedding because you had a family event. I
think it was somebody's birthday, wasn't it. So I have
much love for both of you guys. Thanks for joining
us today, thanks for being on the Party Time Podcast,
and we'll look forward to seeing y'all again real soon
somewhere in Richmond or around Virginia. Don't speed everybody when
you go through Emporia. Don't speak through Emporia. Hey everybody,
(41:58):
this is Parny from the Party Time Podcast asking you
to follow, subscribe, follow us on all your social media outlets,
join the Party Time family because you never know what's
gonna happen on the Partie Time Podcast
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