Bodies Everywhere

How did Pee Wee Gaskins end up serving life in prison? It all started with a missing girl.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
September twelfth, ninety two, a violent explosion on Death Row
sent Central Correctional Institute into chaos. Smoke everywhere, concrete, ash
in the air, fire alarms, guards running around, prisoners in
and out of their cells, a nightmare scenario for any

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guard and every warden. At that moment, only one person
knew what happened, Peewee Gaskins. He was serving life in
prison at c c I and had been offered two
thousand dollars to kill Rudolph Tyner. Tyner would be Peewee's
last victim, and the murders that led Peewee to this

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point were numerous and justice brutal. Seven years earlier, authorities
were looking for a thirteen year old girl when their
investigation revealed Kim Gelkins wasn't the only one missing. Six
friends and neighbors of Peewee were also gone without a trace,
and that would be just the beginning, he said, I

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never killed nobody that didn't need killing. They would like
to prey on those folks that didn't have much family
or in better to look for. He knew if he
was not there to stop him, he was going to
turn in. My career has paid, I will never cover
a story this big ever again from my Heart Radio

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and doghouse pictures. This is pee Wee Gaskins was not
my friend. I'm Jeff Keating. It was quite the spectacle

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for the South Carolina prison that housed the state's only
death row inmates. A bomb had just rattled the complex
and everyone was trying to figure out what happened. This
is Holly Gatling. She covered the story while working in
two as a reporter for the daily newspaper called The States.

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She had been in cellblock too, and interviewed Peewee several times.
She also had the number to the cell block public
pay phone. Here Holly recalls her conversation with Peewee Gaskins
right after the explosion. I got a call. I'm still
not gonna say from where, but I got a tip
that there had been an explosion at c c I

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and I knew he was the building man, and I
had his number and I called him and I said,
what's going on? He said, I need to call you
back on a different phone, and he did. He called
me right back. He said, you know, some some bomb
went off, and he said, next thing you know, they'll
be saying I did it. I will never forget that.

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I wondered, right then, right then, if he had something
to do with it. So I was absolutely not in
the least surprise when the investigation revealed that he in
fact was the bomber. No one could have imagined that

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Rudolph Tyner, who was appealing his death sentence after murdering
Bill and Murdy Moon, had faced his final verdict. Pee
Wee Gaskins, accomplished with the legal system, had been unable
to do put Rudolph Tyner to death. Here's former South
Carolina's solicitor Dick harput Lean. He prosecuted the case that

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resulted from this murder for hire. Initially, everybody thought Tinner
was trying to escape. He had made a bomb out
of matches and tried to blow his way out of
a cell. Authorities originally believed that Tyner's death was accidental,
that he had unintentionally detonated a bundle of match heads
he assembled in his cell. They initially thought that he

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was trying to blast his way out of prison. When
examining the body, however, investigators learned that for the first
and only time in South Carolina history, a death row
inmate had been murdered while awaiting execution. Peewee's prison cell
at C C I was located just behind and two
cells down from Tyner's. They were connected by air events.

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Here's Dick harput Lean explaining how that proximity made it
possible for Peewee to kill Tyner. They advanced in the
back of the cell into the trace to give some
circulation of air, so Gaskin's befriended Tyner, and Tyner would
yell in his great His cell backed up to the

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trace as Peewee's did, except it was offset by I
think to cells. And we believe, based on the testimony,
that pee Wee had run a wire from his vented
grade to Tyner's vented grade and told Tyner to plug
it in so he wouldn't have to yell at him.
They'd used this intertope and then when Tyner plugged into
his end with the mail plug into the female plug,

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pee Wee told him to hold it up to his ear,
and then he plugged his end into the one tan
socket um and it went off, and the pictures are horrendous.
Took Tyner's hand off, that speaker was pulled out of
his brain. Then pe we pulled the wire back through,
chopped it up, and witnesses say that he was doing
on his bed saying what what was that? Pee Wee

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assemble the bomb disguised as an intercom system. He used
a blasting cap, a radio and wire running between their
cells through the air fence. It was like two kids
with a tin cup and long string talking to each other,
only this was no game. The explosion shook the pennant
tentry and instantly killed Rudolph Tyner. Here's Ira Parnell from

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the State Law Enforcement Division, a lead investigator on the case.
That was a bizarre just crazy, ingenious but crazy, and
then for the thing to work, it was nuts. Of course,
the Wee pretty much ran that hilarity he was in

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there and then being the celebrity that he was, and
as of the inmates anyway, authorities quickly gathered plenty of
evidence and charged Peewee with murder. They found parts to
as symbol a bomb in his cell. They got testimony
from another inmate about the moments before and after the explosion.

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Peewee had recorded his telephone conversations with Tony Siemo, the
man who hired him to exact revenge for the death
of his parents. Simo connected with Peewee Gaskins through a
mutual friend named Jack Martin. These audio tapes were in
Peewee's cell. He would have gotten away with it but

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for the recording. I mean, he recorded his conversations with
Simo in which he explained what he was gonna do
and how he was going to do it. Jack Martin
is the guy that hooked Semo up with pee Wee. Now,
Jack Martin had been in the prison and when Semo
was looking for somebody, he went to Martin, who he

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knew had been in prison, said who can I get it?
Will do what I need done, and that has killed Tyner.
And Martin says, there's only one guy, and that's Pewee gas.
Peewee later claimed his murder for higher fee was two
thousand dollars, but the money didn't matter. Six months after
the explosion, Peewee was tried and convicted for murdering Rudolph Tyner.

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It was a shocking story, even for one involving the
meanest man in America. But what was the story that
led to his sentence of life in prison. It all
started with a missing girl. Kim Gelkins was thirteen years

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old in nineteen seventy five and lived with her father
and sister in North Charleston, South Carolina, a stone's throw
from the home of Peewee Gaskins and his sixth wife, Donna.
The Gaskins often hosted weekend parties and cookouts for friends
and neighbors, and so the house intrigued young teens like
Kim who might be looking for a party. People would

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come and go and even occasionally stay at the Gaskins
house for a while. Here's what Dr. Jim Batty learned
from his interviews with Peewee inside Central Correctional Institute. First
of all, he protected the children around him. He didn't
want anybody cushion and drinking around here. Younger here order them,

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So he protected children. He loved to entertain, and he
loved to buy hamburgers and drinks for everybody could enjoy it.
And he was hospitable to people that he cared about.
We were he liked. Kim was a quiet, petite fifth
grader at Shakorra Elementary School who, at thirteen, was older

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than her classmates. Kim's mother died the year before, leaving
her to live with her sister and father. She established
a friendship with Donna Gaskins, Peewee's nineteen year old wife.
According to her elementary school teacher, Mary Anne Griffin, when
Kim was asked to write about the person she admired most,

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she wrote about Donna. She very much loved Donna Gaskins,
and Nonna was atretty good to her. She was loving,
she was appreciative. And then just like that, Kim vanished.

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The teacher at Shikorra Elementary School, Mary Ann Griffin, was
her name. She filed a missing person's report after a
week and a half of him being absent. No one
in her family did this, No one on her street
did this. Those people under the radar didn't report to

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the police missing people. But this good teacher did this,
and this put the North Charleston Police on this case
because they had been some missing teenagers and some deaths
of people around Charleston, and the police had been criticized

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for being a little slack. The missing teenagers Dr Batty
referenced were three girls murdered in nineteen seventy four by
a sailor from Charleston Navy. The children's parents complained bitterly
about how the Charleston County police mishandled the case. One
year later, Kim Gelkins was reported missing and the police

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responded in full. Here's an investigator, Ira Parnell. They again
a man looking for her, a girl from Charleston detectives
who were actually looking for her. The man was Kim Gilkins.
She's the first one that I remembered that that anybody

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was looking for seriously. They would like to prey on
those that were runaways or folks that didn't have much
family or inviotty to look for. They would choose those
people because it wouldn't be much of a stir if
they didn't show up and come home right away. Wunder

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dett To from chos started looking for her. That's what
started the whole ball row. And as I remember, there
were guys in this field who were working I wonderful
War seven and running down leads, and they ultimately found

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that Pee Wee Gaskins was tied to this missing girl.
In such a small town, How did it take weeks

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before everyone knew that a thirteen year old child was missing?
Who knew what? And when did they know it? And
what was it about this community and this family that
it took a teacher to activate the case in the
first place. Here's reporter Holly Gatlin with her thoughts. You know,

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the whole culture and phenomenon of dysfunctional families and the
devastating impact that they have on children and subsequently on society.
I think you know that subject for a study. If
some sociologists would look into that situation um down in prospect,

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that would I think that would make for some fascinating reading.
Thank goodness for that alert and caring teacher. As reported
by Henry Eichel and The Charlotte Observer, in Detective Rufus
Stoney and Sheriff Billy Barnes revealed that Marianne Griffin only

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found out that Kim was missing after she asked her
younger sister, Patty. Patty told mary Anne that Kim had
simply run away from home. When more time passed, Griffin
contacted the police. She was informed that only family report
a child missing and that no such report had been filed.

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Griffin insisted upon an exception, stating quote, We're not talking
about Ozzie and Harriet here end quote. Kim's teacher knew
more than the authorities about her precarious situation. The Gilkins
were far removed from the idyllic Ozzie and Harriet sitcom
of the fifties and sixties. After their mother died, Kim

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and Patty were sent to live with their father, who
had previously served time in prison. Apparently, he told the
girls to stay clear of the sketchy area shrouded and
run down rental properties nearby. When Kim's father learned that
she had been spending time with the Gaskins, he went
looking for Peewee. Peewee was convincing and simply stated that

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he dropped her off on Calvert Street and that was
the last time he saw her. And with that, Kim's
father stopped asking Peewee questions. Soon, I have Marianne Griffin
reported Kim Gelkin missing. Uh Lynwood Simmons, the chief of police,
put his two best men on this case. Chief Simmons

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did not want in any way to be remissed or
derelic in this particular situation, so he called in Rufus
Stony and Roy Green, two of his best detectives, and
these two men immediately went to the Calvert Street area,
interviewing people, talking to people, trying to find anybody who

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knew anything about Kim Gelkin, And one afternoon they knew
Gaskin's address was eighteen o seven Calvert Street. So they're
patrolling and they see this person under a car. So
they stopped and greened out of the window, called to

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the person and said, we're looking for a Mr. Gasket.
Do you know if he's here at his address? And
this high pitched voice answered, moved away about two weeks ago.
Believed they went to Florida, and Green thanked him and
they moved along and the only thing that they saw

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were two small feet out from under the car. This
was one of those many tricks that Peewee was able
to put on law enforcement. Peewee naturally deflected attention away
from himself. He seemed to have a way of getting
folks to believe him with little effort. As Dr Batty

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tells it, investigators were making regular appearances in the neighborhood
questioning residents, and while the trail leading to Kim remained elusive,
facts about other missing residents began to surface. North Charleston
seemed to have a missing person's epidemic. Mrs Knight brought

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the story to a head. Marian Griffin began it but amassing,
Night gave information that people in the neighborhood are all missing.
After a dozen or so trips canvassing the area, police
reached Miss Ethel Knight. It seemed like another dead end

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until she alerted them that she too had family missing.
Three of her children were gone, Diane Bellamy went missing
six months earlier, and two of her sons, Dennis and Johnny,
had been lost for several weeks. The police made notes
about these new missing person cases and kept asking questions.

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And knock comes at the door and Mattie Fortner, she
is Johnny Sellers mother, comes in and she says, oh,
by the way, Maddie, tell her about your people in
are missing. Mattie Fortner says, yes, I have a son,
Johnny Sellers and his girlfriend Jessie Judy. I have seen

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him for thirteen months. And these officers say, watch, why
didn't you notify The police said, oh, this is this
is family business. We don't we don't notify police and
things like this. And in this one conversation they learn

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of these missing people. They learned Dennis Bellamy and john
Henry Knight. They learned Johnny Sellers and jesse Judy, Diane
Bellamy Neely and her boyfriend Avery Howard. I'm missing about
as long as the others. The missing person's list grew

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with every inquiry. Two households, six people missing, and no
one told the authorities. It was family business. But those
were two mothers who suffered loss and probably much greater
hurt and suffering that I was able to capture even

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in my writing about them. They didn't show it. With
these shocking revelations, investigators had their work cut out for them.
More connections swiftly followed, As reporter Holly Gatling recalls, of course,
the law enforcement took it seriously and the threads started

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to unravel. And now I can't say enough good about
the way the investigation progressed. In the cooperation, I learned
a lot about forensic pathology just from this case. Seven
missing persons, Kim Gilkins die and Bellamy Neely, her two

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brothers Dennis and Johnny, Jesse, Judy, Avery Howard, and Johnny Sellers.
A complex web connecting the missing to Peewee. Kim lived
just down the street. Diane and Jesse both lived with
him at some time. Over recent years. Dennis, Bellamy and

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Johnny Sellers worked with him Apart from Kim Gilkins, all
of the missing persons were connected to an auto theft
ring in some way or another, and for a while,
Peewee was the ringleader and protector. Investigators soon learned that
Gaskins could be as generous as he was lethal. Almost

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everybody he knew. Uh, he gave a car. He was
a provider for so many people. And over and over
he says a lot of people look to me, and
he knew that he had set up exactly like that.
And one of his uh favorite um using words to me,
I just love Peel's vernaculars was stealing dealons. He would

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go to prospect when he had stealing dealings with gascons
at the helm. The crew of friends, family and neighbors
developed a theft ring business. Peewee was a well seasoned
criminal and while his scores earned him respect, his manipulation
amassed fear, silence was expected. But above all, he demanded loyalty,

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and in the crime ring, loyalty is as precious as
the stolen goods. He was a mayed, He was trusted. Uh,
he was a man. He was the godfather. He took
care of so many from their little parties to providing
places where they can party heavily, you know what I mean.

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And all of the gifts that he used to obligate
them to him is how he became um how he
reigned as he did as a king of Prospect. Prospect,
about ninety minutes from Charleston. Prospects, South Carolina, was an

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important landmark in the investigation. Pee Wee lived at eighteen
oh seven Calvert Street, North Charleston, but he stored much
of his stolen goods in Prospect. Here's Dr Batty explaining
the lay of the land in that community. These are
house trailers. He had a house trailer very close to

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his daughter's house trailer. And then there was a third
house trailer that pee Wee let some of his younger
girlfriends use when he was there and when he was
not there to party in. And so he and I
believe three single wide house trailers. Peewee in this gang

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primarily lived and stole cars in North Charleston, then hid
what they stole on Peewee's land and Prospect. One of
the members of this gang was Walter Leroy Neely. Walter
was the closest thing Peewee Gaskins had to a best friend,
someone he looked after, someone he helped out. Likewise, Walter

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ate it and embedded pee Wee. I think that Walter
was a victim. He grew up without a father. We
know that his i Q was quite low. We do
not know the extent of his mental illness um. But
he was bullied. He was bullied by Peewee. He was

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bullied by Dennis mellowing me. He was bullied by his wife.
Walter Neely was a tragic for get without having the
the hero element of the traged hero. He was a victim.

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It was all hands on deck in South Carolina during
December of as law enforcement and members of the community
continued looking for Kim Gelkins, she had been missing for
almost a month. After they learned how many of his associates, friends,
and neighbors were missing, police narrowed in on Peewee Gaskins.

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They talked to anyone in his circle who remained. Eventually
they focused their investigation on Walter Neely. This is Dudley Salibi.
He was the assistant solicitor for South Carolina's twelfth District Court.
He's discussing the relationship between Walter and Peewee. They met

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in prison they had interest in the same thing they roofed.
They worked as roofers together, but Peewee was the main guy,
and Walter Neely was ready, willing and able to assist
him once Peewee decided to pun a course of action.
Walter Neely was considered to be Peewee's best friend. And uh,

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you know, I did not know anything about him because
we were all concentrating. All the media was actually concentrating
on Peewee Gaskins, and uh, Neely of course was mentioned.
And later on when Pee we went to court, he
testified as to how he killed everybody. That's when I
really learned more about Neely than any other time during

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the investigation. Oh, I think clearly Walter was p He's
best friend. Next to Donna, Walter is a little slow,
He's all. That was the way pee Wee described Walter Neely.
And he pointed out that Walter could um straight wire
any American made car in five minutes without ever mission one,

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so Walter had some talents. Here is one of Peewee's
former bosses, whose family owned roofing company employed him for
a while. He appreciated Pewee's work ethic. At his third
generation company. He says that Peewee was strong and punctual. Unknowingly,
the company hired a number of Peewee associates from the

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theft ring, including Walter Neely. Yeah, we did even work
at one phone named Walter Neely that was one of
Peewee's frands. We had worked comes with about a month.
He wasn't He wasn't a good person at all. The
Associated Press writer Thomas Cothrane called Walter quote a wiry,
nervous man end quote. He was a major part of

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the theft ring that operated in North Charleston. Peewee said
that Walter could hot wire in the American made car
in under five minutes, and that's just the sort of
talent he needed. But not everyone looked at Walter favorably.
He was just a mean, nasty person, so we didn't
tolerate him. He made it worked a month and a

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half orus years ago, and we let him go. Walter
didn't hold down too many jobs for very long. The
theft ring, though, remained a constant, as it did for
many people in this story. Johnny Sellers, Johnny Knight, Diane Bellamy,
Dennis Bellamy. They all were involved in lives of crime.

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It was a means to fund their lives, and those
lives were not extravagant. Walter had until recently been married
to Diane Bellamy. At least that's the way that Peewee
told it, as this story reveals. However, in the early
seventies in North Charleston, the understanding of marriage and what

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it meant is often murky. Regardless, months after having her
second baby, Diane left the children alone in the bathroom
and the infant child died in the bathtub. Walter was crushed,
and pee Wee never forgave Diane for what he saw
as an egregious violation of her duty to protect her children.

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At the very end of nineteen seventy five, South Carolina
investigators were deep into their investigation and were certain that
Peewee Gaskins was involved in Kim Gelkin's disappearance. After pee
Wee alluded police when he misdirected them to Florida, he
got nervous. He might have had confidence he could continue

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that evasion, but he worried that his friend Walter would cave.
One week after the police narrowly missed talking to pee Wee,
he arranged to have Walter placed in a psychiatric hospital.
When he realized things were getting hot, he had to
deal with Walter because pee Wee knew that Walter had

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to be out of the way or Walter would talk.
He knew that if he was not there to stop him,
to thwart anything that he might say, that Walter was
gonna bleed, he was gonna gonna turn him in. He
wanted him completely out of the way, and that was
the best plan that he knew. So he gats Walter's
mother to take him to the hospital, and they sure

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enough said he is a danger to himself. He threatened
to jump off of a roof and work last week,
and he could harm himself and may even harm other people.
So pee Wee's plan worked well. Walter was in the hospital.
Police were pursuing further leads and they ended up talking

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to Sandy Snell Gastons and Sandy Snell Gastons, the fifth wife,
who was at that time living in the same house
with a six wife, told the police, Nip, Peewee and Kim,

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we're often in prospect. So that's how the case opened.
Wife number five Sandy lived in the house with Peewee
and wife number six, Donna in Sandy told police that
Donna and Peewee had taken Kim Gelkins to his home
in Prospect. The land them straight to Prospect and missing

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Kim Gelkin. At that police got a search warrant for
Peewee's Prospect property within hours, ninety miles away. In one
of his trailers, they found some of Kim Gelkin's clothes.
He had taken a minor child across county lines, enough
to put out an arrest warrant. They also on several

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stolen cars on the property. The warrant was issued with
charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and
possession of a stolen vehicle. Police told people in North
Charleston that they had an arrest warrant for Peewee and
that news got to him pretty quickly. He immediately visited

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one of his theft ring fences for some cash he
was owed. Peewee then drove to Mr Coleb's house. Mr
Coleb ran an interstate fencing ring that included South Carolina.
He and Peewee had many stealing dealings. Peewee told cole
that he was going to take a bus to see

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an old girlfriend in Mississippi. He then drove to the
bus station and purchased a ticket. Peewee later said that
Cole must have called police at the time and ratted
him out as a way of curring favor with the authorities.
After returning to Colp's house and passing time until his
bus was to leave, Peewee called a taxi. When it arrived,

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he got into the cab. Here's an investigator, Ira Parnell.
So he gets in the cab, and they had police
cars stationed on all sides of the house, far enough
away to where I wouldn't spooking. But if when he
left that they would know it and let him leave
the house and get away far enough to where he

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couldn't get back in the house and have a hostage situation.
So when they stopped the car turn on blue Lacs,
deff By jump baton and recommended dead and ran to him.
I was talking about his father, Bird Parnell, who was
Sumter County sheriff from nifty three. Bird had arrested pee

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Wee years earlier and had several other interactions with him.
He was very confident that they could trust and he
knew he was fairly him knew wouldn't mistreating, so they
went to the one he knew. He probably wasn't assure
about dressed them. They just knew dressed and those to
go dell him if they had chance, and they may have,

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I don't know, but they didn't have a chance and
it never happened. So he uh, he did surrender the dead.
When he was arrested trying to flee, Peewee had a
box of his belongings sitting in the taxi. Investigators never
determined whether or not he was really going to Mississippi,
but he was carrying his thirty thirty rifle and a pistol.

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Interestingly enough, it was a little Boretta thirty two semi
automatic pistol. Pe He had taken an electric pencil and
written his name on the side of the gun as
a signature, almost Donal aged Gastons. That was obviously his gun,
because you know who would you put his name on it.

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Police arrested Pewee and questioned him about Kim Gelkins for
the next several days, and Walter Neely was still in
the psychiatric hospital while all of this was going on,
And suddenly four days later, Walter's released as normal, taken
back to his mother's house in Charleston, where the police

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were waiting in automobiles outside. It was a significant part
of Walter's forthcoming legal case, whether or not he was
under arrest at this point, whether his miranda rights were issued,
and pertained to his testimony. But under investigation, Walter said
he knew nothing about the disappearance of Kim Gelkins. He

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did admit, however, that he knew about another missing person
that Peewee had buried. So that was the beginning oh
his being in flomer that ultimately gave the testimony that
that did pe in. I really don't know why, but

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he just decided to come clean. This is Billy Barnes,
Florence County Sheriff in two thousand and six. He was
at the forefront of the investigation. And I don't know
if he and p we had a fallen out, or
if he thought he was gonna catch the pressure from
all of it or what. But he just finally wrote

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down and started talking about a mass grave site in
Florence County. Walter told police about a body buried on
some property near Prospect in Florence County, right on the
border with Sumter County. There was a body buried there
in a shallow grave. Yes, I can take you there,

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Walter told investigators. The police searched the area as Walter
guided them. He's right there with them, but they find nothing.
It's December, it's humid, low country cold. Detectives from North Charleston,
from Florence County, from Williamsburg County, all of them scouring

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the field. Here's Ira Parnell, who was with the search party.
Might lead to what we later determined to cause to
call his graveyard, the corner the swamp in the field
down there in prospect about of times. They had pretty

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much neared it then had located that area. They had
not found anybody yet, but they were pretty certain. They
went to write the Senate so at that point they
called for all the help that they could get. So
we were using body probes, using long steel rides with

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a ham across the top of them, just to look
for soft spots in the ground. I didn't know where
it was working up at Forest Television Station. They said, Prospects,
you need to go down there. They're digging up bodies.
This is Cecil Chandler. He and Holly Gatling were both
journalists assigned to the Peewee story since the case first broke.

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So you know, I took off down that was one
man crew at that time, and went down tore by
myself and I got there insured by Barnes said we
we have some graves. We don't know how many people.
At this time I knew it was a big story.
I was years old, and I can remember thinking to myself,

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my career has peaked. I will never cover a story
this big ever again. Walking through the woods, just walking
along slowly, broken and booking, and some letter reached down
and picked up a bush and it came out of

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the ground. We looked at it and it had been
cut off and placed at that spot that worked to camouflage.
So I started looking there and you just about outline
the grave. The first two we found were the last

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two that you buried, thankfully, John Henry Knight and Dennis Bellmant.
They were the most well preserved a venue of them.
As far as what we found that day, the first
day we dug up six it were buried true to
the grave in three different holes. Pee Wee Gaskins was

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not my Friend's a joint production from my Heart Radio
and Doghouse Pictures, produced and hosted by Jeff Keeping. Executive
producers are Courtney to free Yes and Noel Brown. Written
by Jim Roberts, Courtney Dufreeze and Terry James, Edit, mix
and sound design by Jeremiah Kolani Prescott music composed by
Diamond Street Productions, Spencer garn and Ian Newberry. Special thanks

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to Jim and Anita Baty. Additional thanks to the University
of South Carolina, Moving Image Research Collections and the University
of South Carolina.