New Rules, Same Roots with King B

Big Bank sits with On Deck King B and they open up about their journeys from the streets of Atlanta to building lasting careers in the music industry. King B reflects on growing up on the West Side, navigating the shift from street life to legitimacy, and the mental space it takes to evolve. Big Bank shares his perspective on the changes in music production, the industry’s shifting dynamics, and the challenges artists face today. Together, they explore the importance of community, mentorship, and bridging the generational gap in music. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
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west side veteran O g on deck King, be how
you feeling, king, Man, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Feeling good Man to Ben feel man? If you all
ready know that, you know you don't really you don't
really do this right here? Manor have you hear king? Man? Listen,
I don't do that. Man, they don't. They don'et got me.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
They done got me out of there, Man, they don't,
they don't put me in mold man that boy, meaning
all them, boy, I'm been in the like be man,
you be talking to man, Come on and speak up
man and say, I'm man.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
You you're doing it anyway? Man, tell the world the world. Yeah,
so they got me out man. So I'm glad to
be here. Man. Where you're mentally at man, how would
do a wheel chick where you're mentally man? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Mentally man, I'm deare really man, I'm in a good
space mentally man. Because really it's like, you know, there's
a new venture in life. And any time I feel
like something new, you know, you get to try different things.
So this this this don't feel good and this this
ball I'm gonna get there. I get to run it myself,
you know what I mean? I get to get out
and speak speak for myself. So I'm feeling good to
everybody around me good so and once everybody around me good,

(02:00):
but i'd be good. So you know, I'm a I'm
a a good space right now.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Many I always say you're your best product.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, that's what I just told him. I said, I
just realized, but I'm the product. Now.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Just sell me. I've been selling all the more. Run
out you run out there tourist. That's so, that's what mom. Man,
I'm on some you know, just selling me now.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know what I mean For people who might not
know who you is because you've been in the background.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Let them know who you is, where you're from, how
you come, and where you being, what you do, how
you do it.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Man, I'm on deck. King d.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
H. Brian Bingo War professionally known as Brian Bengo Ward.
You know, I started doing this music stuff on the
West Side. I've seen a lot of people doing things,
came across, you know, just being the west Side guy
got linked up with the shop boys and you know,
me and the shop boys did our thing and we
came up with the song part of like a rock star.
You know, we did a whole movement for that. I

(02:54):
was a part of that whole movement with the shouting
loads and the white Tea, the franchise Boar Defoel. I
was in that whole part, that whole mix right there.
So midst of us me just being a part of Atlanta,
at this part of Atlanta that at the time when
well I'm talking about everybody was grabbing something, grabbing some
type of musical concept. So then part I was like, man,

(03:14):
let me get me, let me get me a group,
Let me get me got a group.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Let me get me a group.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And so that that just went through Atlanta and that
was the part that people don't know that kind of
built us. So I got the group and you know,
we were just in the mix and it was hard, man.
I was just telling people, Man, it was hard back then,
Like we didn't have internet. We had to get a
word of mouth buzz, you know what I mean. It
was kind of hard, but it was more funer.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So you know, I had the cheat code though y'all
had got damn t rock y'all had with.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
The pool panel was a little cheat cold because it
was in the neighborhood, and and and and and he
just was playing hood stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, he was playing all hood music.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
And it was a couple of other little spots that
were doing that, but t rock pretty much, you know.
And the competition was made. Competition on the West Side
had a lot of competition that time. And you know
it was stiff man when I'm talking about real stiff,
and they were coming up with music every day.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, so that kind of made us. Man.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
So after White Tea, man that that gave the West
Side encouragement. White Tea like, oh ship, but them nigga,
it can happen for real. Oh man, that nigga. Once
White Team made it, you could see it having for
real because these niggas from the hood. Yeah okay, then
you know, nigga still had doubts like them niggas had JD.
So nigga like, okay, anybody did have JD. But you

(04:29):
know the nigga. But when Loa made it, man, them
nigga got mook b. You know, damn way you can
make it. So after Loa made it, that ship that
set a real way through the hood because they made
it without you know what I mean, niggas. You know
what they didn't have nothing, they didn't have just a
hot song in pool pallet, and so that mixed. I
jumped in that rope right there, and luckily, you know,

(04:49):
me and Low being good friends, I was there to
witness him making I was there to see a lot
of people move, man. And so once I got in
the game, man, I just been a part of I
was so glad to be out of the game. I
was so glad to be legit. You couldn't even niggas
was you know. It was the other accolades that came.
But the one that I breathed on every night, it's
the legitimate, sir.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Like you know what I'm saying. That's it.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
That and not gonna show you I got stuff that
you know, but that that being that legitimate was a
heavy part on my goddamn life, just being I'm gonna
tell you what what the smart part I saw you
do like back that I ain't do, Like when you
got that studio, so much ship came through that studio,
even me.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I gotta hit out that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because that the thing
you back then, man, I was when we made it.
That was like my real through the studio again, like
what's nixt so that birth, that whole next generation and
my thing At that point, Man, I didn't want no
more art I just wanted to help nigga to get
on at that point because if I wanted artists, man,
I had everybody signing me. I was artists. No, I'm

(05:52):
just shoving a nigga. But what you got, oh yeah,
erase that do this. I'm just getting gang because I wasn't.
I wasn't trying to get no niggas, you know, just
try and signed all this. I just wanted us to
God damn grow and and pretty much everybody that I
helped grow, they did grow. So I'm you know, I'm
blessed with with the knowledge that I was able to
kick to a lot of people. Man, growing up on
the West Side, with some of the challenges you face

(06:13):
as a as a younger man growing up on the
West side. Man, the west Side really it's just like
it's like the West Side, It's like the whole Atlanta,
Like a think of this right here, bro, I thought
of this the other day. Bro, I speak at least
five non killers every day, and I have to make it.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I have to kick like I don't know and act
like it's cool when you.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Know this a real killer hold you're the west Side
hood ship, but it's happen all over you know, these
folks looking for him, and all this old stupid ship,
all this ship put up.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
To the house.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know what I'm saying, This west Side ship, but
this Atlanta ship, little ship like that or or uncle's
on dope family members doing stupid ship. All this Atlantic
ship is the same bro east Side, west Side is
all the same ship. But Atlanta is a wild place
where everybody active in something. You might not be no shooting,
but that niggas a burglar. He might not be no burglar,

(07:09):
but that nigga got damn That niggas wipe card. Everybody
is a character and within their own self, you know
what I'm saying. So you can have a group of
Atlanta niggas, it'd be on everybody.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
The one you know be robbed me.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
So you think they robbed me, You're gonna talk to
them and the niggas all do different ship.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
But at everybody doing something. Yeah he shot at hill,
you know what I mean. And you know, so like you.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Know rappers, they ship kind of like you know the
rap game, so you can see it. All the niggas
rapped all Atlanta said a group of nigga. Man, you
got I need this ship.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I did everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know what I'm saying. Nigga over there with Bank rap,
you know what I mean? Just think like, man, if
I see a nigga standing with Bank, I'm gonna size
him up. I ain't got to know or whoever. Just
you know what I mean. Okay, Okay, here cool nigga.
So you get kind of banking on that. But yeah,

(08:06):
that's Atlanta though, bro and every side. You got that
going on over there too. You speak to at least
to you at this point you probably see one now
I don't see none. No, I'm trying to go with you.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Man, the house that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I know a lot of talk, but if he was outside,
just seeing him going to the stove, boy, you're gonna
speak the five or six mo fucking on.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Hey, how did your upbringing like shape your reality? Like
in your perception, man, My upbringing was kind of man.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I wouldn't say my ship was rough, man, but at
the time that I grew up in man, it was.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Kind of different. Man.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Like, Like I when I jumped out the poor man
nigga was pimping so so so just just take this
this store right here. So when I jumped off the
porch in Atlanta, we had on jawdass jeans, silk shirts.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Can't go lining to the left.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You hear what I'm saying on how doing that was
a pimping and we was all trying to do the
pimping thing. And then the drugs pulled up. I seen
the first drug there was pop up. So now niggas
went from silk shirts into goddamn to the drug thing.
And you know, that ship was kind of cool and
you know it had its ups and down, but seeing
it at the beginning was another sining, you know what

(09:20):
I'm saying before everything, but to survive all that ship,
that ship got damn and to go through all the
street shit that I went through to end up at
the Grammars bro that shit put a ah. It makes
you weigh yourself up. Sometimes when you get blessed, you
would go in the corner you have to weigh up, like, boy,
look at all that dirt ass shit you did, boy,
and look what go and God know it, don't nobody

(09:42):
ell know that dirt ass. God know it and look
what he did for you. Bro. So I sit back, man,
and you know, until I got my stuff together, Man,
now I can see clearly. I can see this this
God thing clearly. Just you know it's about it's in me. Yeah,
it's in me.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
So now man, I got all the powers now, like
you know, it's like I was working off a half
of half of my powers. I think a nigga can
do some dirty ship. I just think you can't handle dirty.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Hard, dirty hard. Yeah you know what you think. No,
that's that's real.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Though.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You listen, man, like if you just build in your
heart and don't go wrong. But you know, sometime bro,
in the life and and and in predicament, man, you
be in at that spot. Man, I ain't never did
nothing to a nigga that didn't have it coming to
him in facts, you know what I'm saying, or you
know what I mean, not just saying that. You know
it ain't no nigga, that running, no nigga. But in life, bro,

(10:33):
you got to be able to adjust to whatever like
give you. Man, I don't make the best adjustment. So
now I'm not the way you hear what I'm saying
I'm not the way I'm cool, God bless me. I'm
legit on shop boards. Successful we back in the motion,
we're doing our thing. They're done, showed me how to
do this on this stuff here, and I say, man,
I'm going to get let me get get the blessing
for bank, because Bank of a time, nigga.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
You the owly nigga that I can now you my
og in this. So when I wrong any mother bank,
you know what I'm saying. That happened we come wen,
I gotta be connected. So when I.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
When I stepped up in that motherfucker, I'm gonna be like, okay, bamn.
So that's that's the part, man, Just even seeing seeing you. Man,
I remember, let me just tell you a story right here,
when I first did it, and I been knows you.
But when I got up on y'all came to the studio,
this nigga come over there, and this is how I
knew this nigga was crazy. This nigaga come right over there,
had to kick the shoes off and kicked back like

(11:28):
ye go. I said, how y'all's over there? But I
was like, yeah, them my type of nigga, Just because
I didn't know y'all. But once I got in and
you've seen y'all, structure was exactly like our The only
thing you had different characters had the same structure.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
So that made me.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I'm like, okay, I know it's always been respecting love. Man,
already know you already know man, you already, like I
said on the head here bro, because I already know,
but you But we can't hold this ship in.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
This ship gotta come out, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But we'll we'll, we'll just had a ship the months
our people like like you're you're beat fat earls, up
beat men, the ears up with with with the real
shit that the world need to hear, you know what
I'm saying. The world need to hear this ship. Like
I used to be just talking ship on Graham. My
niggas like my niggas screaming like, bro, we should do
a partcare. I ain't never know where the fucking put
care was. Now were talking nigga getting paid to talk.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
And that's what I'm gon. We do that easy, We
do that easy.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And I was just saying, I said, ship, this is
Atlanta all day the even it gonna come up with
content all day.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
We know what to talk about.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
We got different experiences and and and especially that time
frame that we was in. So now I want to
goddamn get involved in. And I got people cheering me
on because I say some goddamn right ship, and I
got the right to say it because I donet been
through it for real to say it.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
They like to hear me say, look, because you aren't
even working your page. At first.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
It was just blues on your page running around him
and god damn jeez, and they were doing that ship,
your blue doing that ship ship. But he got his
own thing, no man, and I just I was like, yeah, man,
let me go on. God damn stand up, because I
made a post man that mother went globe that ship like.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
What they want? What they want? Then again that's me
went global one more.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Time now man like man, okay, and then now I'll
run around nigga like and I'm watching your play the
whole time. Bank called come from where we're coming. Hard
to get out of there. You been get off the spreadway.
Now you you off the spreadway. Now you're traversing the
You know what I'm saying, that's that's that's, that's what
I want to do. Man, just get out here and
get the west side of voice. Cause there's a lot

(13:23):
of stories going around about the A and nobody's misrepresenting
you know what I'm saying, But a lot of people
missing out some pieces, man, And I just want to
come through and get the pieces that I think missing, you.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And you know it's a lot of a lot of
a lot of stuff that that's missing out of Lena.
And I'm just coming to be a voice.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Man. No, I even I even seen.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I was on your pay the other day and you
was you were saying, uh, like it's a bunch of
people that don't get the recognition. You call that Macy
young boyhood by boy. But that's the truth though, Like
you know what I'm saying, like the dicktailed shirt to
host it down like boy, they said that. So I
was already on the whole sit down and in my

(14:01):
mind I was tomto on battle. But when he said
it next to his chirp, it erased all that and
talked it took me back. Just somebody this just man
and folks came over here with the whole movement and
I watched that and that was hard to do and
he need recognition for that.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Come through this and he was in it, fos.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
All them songs were hot before us, and nobody mentioned
that shit White Ta and shit you got under saying
snap music kind of killed that. Snap Music alter that. See,
niggas don't got the game about Atlanta. Snap music altered
a lot of stuff right then. Yeah, snap music boxed
all the music in and everything was snapping until we
came through it part of like a ross.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And when we came through part like a roster.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
That you know, that opened a whole lane and which
is the lane that they still on it to this day.
But Snap music had done knocked the whole lot of shit,
the whole sit down or just a lot of shit. Man,
niggas had some bangles, you know, knocked a lot of shit.
But hey, looking at looking at the city from then
and now, what you think the biggest shift is and
when did it happen?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
The biggest shift is?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think that like the people in imposition and the
reason we're doing it come on with. I think the
reason that they're doing it doesn't shift it.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You see what I'm saying, Like we were doing it
for a whole other reason. If you think. So niggas
done shifted the reason why they doing it.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
They doing it, doing it for, they doing it for,
They're doing it for fame.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Fuck some holes ship on their home is and the
other little other ship.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Man. We were doing it to try to make it
out of what every artist and every somebody that was
when we were pushing around duct tape on dead rufu
defou all them niggas left the mics, went to a
motherfucking situation that could send them to jail. Within hours
of leaving the microphone, they went somewhere in the Senate
the jail we all did. So we was fighting for

(15:54):
another thing. These niggas got money already, Bro. They want
everybody know they got money. I ain't got a rapper
to get put the mic on it, man, I'm gonna
pay the whole ship. The it doesnet changed up, Damn
that game. Nigga don't even know that though, So just
just think about that. So if the reason you do
it change, where you want to take it change. Also,

(16:17):
there's a lot of shit change once you change why
you doing it.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I think they don't even.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Want to be legit. Then niggas was never dirty. You
gotta understand all of us trying to go legit. Y'all
wasn't even never dirty, so you putting cheers on my
own Listen, the niggas was never dirty. See but but
but let me let me say this though, be us
being the niggas that we is right, we look down
on them, nigga, you gotta think, being real, we're a

(16:44):
part of that.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Were the cause of that. Like Manna wasn't really doing it,
that was it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
So now these nigga get in and get the body,
they started really doing it.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
They really doing it, so that ship. It's a catch
twenty two situation though, really.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
No for real, man, because you gotta think we like
you said, back when we were in the streets before
the niggas getting recordated, Because when I seen Gucci them
and Jesus them, like the nigga got recorded.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
For the time. There you go like you just said
this nigga time did more.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
But you gotta think at first, before before our peers
were doing the music, we looked at rapper like, oh
he rapped, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
He laughing at rap.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Niggas were laughing at rap niggas. But then it got real.
We started seeing your popler. This nigga ain't no rap
nigga rapping.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Get I got to give this. I just gotta get
my boy rock Man. Oh yeah, shout out the rock up.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Let me just get this game. Rocker came in about
this nigga. Me seeing him first hand working move had
a whole diamme on this rap. Had you remember that
when I was then in the studio with all that ship.
Listen big rock and Roll him on the van. I
got the picture when you see the rock and Roll rapped.
I'm wrapped on the van me rock dro about five

(18:01):
with the blue and white Hollig. I was in there
with I was in him. I've seen him do all
that ship. So he the one made me.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
This is how I got it.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
My brother Weez, you know Weez. He singing you somewhere
like y'all send you by back. But either way him
he was signing the rock. My brother we'z on Dick,
he was signing the rock and got damn. I'm like, man,
when you am gonna come out when you have him,
come out here man on a rock be trip. You
know you got Sam and Sam because doing that Stepdad
and all this ship was out. She said, you got
Sam and all these niggas over there. So I went,
I'm like, rock man, we ain't gonna put Brian on
my brother be a sitting rock like. Man, look man,

(18:32):
I'm doing my own ship. I ain't got time to
be doing that ship. But you know what you do.
You can go down and store your own offucking rock company.
What you mean, man, go come up with your name.
Go start your own company. Y'all can use the studio.
Will you do it? That he ain't putting no cut
on cool. I went right down that motherfucker. Man, calm
my boy, west Side Blue, I said, Blue, we're gonna
start a rough company.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well we're gonna name it Nigga. That nigga.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Man, fuck all man, it's on dick Man, it's on there,
like okay, that ship on this man. But that ship
that started just from streets. So knowing yeh, big on
another one too that you watch when you see real
street people do it and go as for man, it's
a great inspiration.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
You spining another the smaller generation. He's spying the cause
nigga seen you damn to be gone.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's the success story. Yeah, man, that's it.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Bro's all finish for the slip out there, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Man, and so like that's that's where we're at though,
like you know, just just another part of of of
growing in the city of Atlanta. That ship crazy, how
I got now this city hall burst some hell of
a niggas man, man the best camp like from and
then a nigga say, you will see a nigga today,
like I can see you right now saying what you

(19:47):
finished do nigga two three weeks from there, you gonna
be doing it. They're gonna be like that. That's just
how it go. Like like you said, you you let
your well blue dude, I uh, he said, you said
you ain't called blue blue game in the night like
you said when you call him Nick Nick we this
and running running that ship so like yeah, and that

(20:11):
it didn't take much and the land wide old man,
everybody was doing that. Everybody will becoming somebody bro. And
you gotta understand people my age come from an era
where they used to tell man, you can't do this,
but I'm folks gonna lock your ass up you can't.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So nigga was still kind of spooke. Man.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just got rockstar ship in my name two, three, four,
five years ago when I knew I was through with
the game ship and some old folks because.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I just had that man telling the street, bro, how
tempted you was.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
No, that's crazy, though you're right, I'm telling you what
you're saying, Like, Nigga, I just started working on my credit, nigga,
because the era you came from, Bro, we didn't that
ship will make me feel fucked up though, Bro not
have my credit right, but test not like that ship
made me feel like, damn.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You knew all this ship?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Now you you behind a ship you could have been dead,
some ship you could have been did but we didn't know.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh we ain't.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
No nigga, if you know the information you got, now,
if you could jump back, motherfucking twenty year bank boy,
it's a lot of shit you want to bought. It's
a lot of shit you want to ben. There's a
lot of place people won't even been around. You understand
you needed all those things that you went through to
make who you is today.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
What key value that you bring from the streets over
to the business side. Just lord, lord, man, I just
being lord to niggas.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
And you know, and when I say loyal to you, man,
I'm gonna be whoever I just told you I'm gonna
be when we meet. And you know what I mean,
I ain't trying to cross the nigga. Ain't trying to
get over on No buy that shit. So and even
in the game, I ain't. I wasn't never trying to
get over on nobody life my thing. It did, bro,
I came up on the whole other side. Man, I've
been a bad part of the community. So once I
got a in position, I can bless. Motherfucker man. I'm

(21:48):
just trying to bless motherfucker man. I won't make sure
I get in the heavn and all this old Let
me clean up my act, you know what I mean,
Like man, and you myself say live by the gun,
die by the gun man. That shit would be in
my mind so much brown Ma don't did all type
of shit, just trying to get that away from it. Hey,
little patch up my little shit so that that doesn't
shake who I am.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Man.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Its just it's just how difficult was it to like
just fully transition. Well it really wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Difficult, cause the stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Was going on that was going on that would make
you say, you know, it was giving you the opportunity
to see.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I'm gonna tell you when when I what really made
it go me?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Just you seeing people stuff happening, niggas going to jail
by a friend.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I got a real home. It done got locked up
by it closes home by another one. My Homi told
on my homie. You know what I'm saying. And that
ship is heartbreaking, like you know what I'm saying, So
those type of things, and you know and and and
like I say, man, the game changed and people changed,
and it ain't It wasn't worth it.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It wasn't worth it.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
And you know I tell people all the time, man
if I had if I I was doing, if my
mind was screwed on right. Man, I've been tied up
in so much shit, but I was Man, I went squall.
I've been playing Squall since Paul. Like Rosstar came out.
As soon as it came out, I changed my whole ship.
I didn't want to none.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Of that foolish ship. Gainst the ship. Man, I was
a square. I'm who I'm who I am That that.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Ship brom I was in trouble making Like yeah, I'm
tighten this ship up, man.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
But he let me ask you, so how many times?
How many times? Hew? Your wife been right? Like you
know how you have to come back like right, I
promise you, bro, I promise.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
You my niggas and situations and ship that went wrong
like the real nine times out of ten, fact.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Of the real and no cut on like nine times
out of ten.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
But then she done got you know it done got Well,
she'll let me get off, but write it now what
she's saying. Then you come back to her to be
like yeah, man, because you gotta understand people that's over
your shoulder watching the play. You can't see the play
if you are at her quarterback and coaching or whatever
you're doing. But the motherfucker's in the stand, ain't coach,
ain't she got damn you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Like they were just on the side. So I got lint.
I want to saw that. You want to saw that.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
I can't see me right now. That's where you got
to have a team. Yeah, that's the importance of a team.
As a team gonna god damn stop all that other ship,
you know what I mean. And you know I'm building
my team. You know I'm getting this spot every day.
You got a massive team. I like what you got
going so like you know, so you know, baby, how you.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Could be the courtney?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
How many people? How many people that just couldn't go
along your journey that you wanted to go with you?
You know what I'm saying, how many? First out of
all the niggas, I wanted to go most on it
and go so I can't say how many. But it's
a lot of people, man, that didn't make it because
of the times, circumstances, choices, the more minimum of the city.

(24:49):
You know, it's a lot of stuff that deterred folks, man.
And it's a lot of good talent in Atlanta, man,
Atlanta got all the good talent, man, All the little nephews,
all the little niggas, all these have got good talent
in them. Man. Just you know, somewhere somebody stopped listening
to the top, to the big dogs and it and
when they cut it back on, the big dogs weren't listening,

(25:10):
wasn't speaking no more, you understand. So at some point
they say, Okay, fuck, nigga, don't know what they talking about,
because if they were.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Listening, it'll still be chain reaction.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
You gotta understand. This is a chain effect that they
listening to an hour. You got what I'm saying up
on us, you got some mother up. But under them
they stopped listening, you understand, and so now they bat
listening again, and the communication all cause we don't been
talking so long.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Then y'all nigga won't listening.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I think, well, I think you're right about that. That's
that's one hundred percent correct. But another side, you know,
I'm always blaming myself for a lot of shit. We
gotta listen to them too. We gotta hear them niggas first.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
See that what I do.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Hear them niggas first, and then you know what I'm saying,
give them a different perspective, cause niggas don't. I remember
when I was young, I ain't want to hear a
nigga telling me I hear the advice, but don't tell
me like I'm just let me bump my head. You
get what I'm saying. I just try to look at
everything from how I was as a young nigga. Yeah,
I took a loss with my niggas, letting them bump

(26:06):
their heads with the shop boys just like that right
there now, let's just freeze on it.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I took a last fucking with the shop boys on them.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I'm gonna let the nigga bump their head when I
should have just stood up and just snatched all this
ship and hey, look this was going on.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But by me getting on that bump your head time,
it fucks and ship up. Okay, you hear what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
They was at that same point. It's just like that
with the young nigga. The niggas at that point, you
couldn't telling them the money were around.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Ship wasn't going right.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
They had you know what I mean, let me let
the niggas bump their head, but letting them bump their
head and that ship fucksh it up. So let me
got damn. We gotta change that. And now that man
let me yeah you get a concussion. Never be the
saying he ain't the same, no more like damn. You
could have seen that ship. But then just think about
how many nigga I could have said one little piece
of changed it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, shame

(26:53):
that ship, Like you know, I'm just you know, ship,
we gotta go back here by go Yeah, we're gonna
redo this whole little I want to do my whole little,
my whole little or concept of the young niggas and
old niggas, because I want to help all the young niggas,
every young nigga, Atlanta, that's my nephew.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Facts me too to my nephew.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Niggas trying to many if yeah, it's a young nigga,
You and Atlanta, I'm your motherfucker uncle nigga, Call your mama,
call your dadd They one of them know me.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know what I'm saying. Let me let me introduce
you to my son.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Call you all family. Yeah, the fuck y'all around there. Man,
we just need to start having family unions. Everybody comes
to your brain and whoever he a nigga is all family.
You said the disconnect came. Where the disconnect came from?
I said, the disconnect came from when niggas start making
the rappers the big homie just because you had more money.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Me, That's why I feel. I feel like, bro, when
niggas start getting more money than they oh geez, it's
like bro, I don't want to hear that ship.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And that's so many. It's so many young niggas just
getting a lot of money. What he getting all the
mone the from But that's getting a lot of money,
a lot of shit. If I was getting that type
of money, I wouldn't even probably, but I don't know.
I probably would.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
But just now the money that they getting up, well, rap,
it's ridiculous, ridiculous money. I didn't go buy some trucks,
bro go buy some land and ship called the rap game. Man,
you going to buy money? The nigga buying the money,
They buying more money, loopid man, they got a look
that ship. Man them niggas and that's this ga. Ain't
nothing the disconnect come with man, be cause they parameters

(28:29):
done chined like bro. Them young niggas, young niggas coming
up on those nothing. But they get money different than
we were getting.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
We ain't. I can't tell me.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I want to tell you about how to dog the
writ dog, how your bomb done of that ship worked
the day.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
My old tricks don't even work in this ship. You
know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? What
what on the cover call? Look like I can tell
you you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I can't tell you about a credit card or man
like you said, we just I'm trying to fix my credit,
you understand. But the methods now and the young niggas,
I'm proud of every young nigga's out here getting it.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Man called.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
When you see them out here, eating good, rying good,
no traps no where. How we was they getting with
money we were getting, but you could see the money
we were getting. You gonna see Jays up and now,
motherfucker bang head, they air well, but this ship, the
whole city clean, the niggas in the Hellcats, So whatever
they're doing, it ain't holy Cain't you right, can't We
were getting that same money, but it's trash air well.

(29:22):
Jay's out stopping for money, and just think the whole
all the neighborhoods clean. I just came from the six
all that shit clean. I'm thinking about moving over there.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
You right about what these niggas, But they getting clean
money ain't clean money.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
So I called them niggas on that ship, like you know,
and they ain't affecting that where they affecting, they affecting.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't see the effects. So somewhere y'all might be
doing a little better than us.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
When I got money, you can see, you can go
right on making and see you it was dried up
and just you know what I mean. Now that ship
with blooming and everything blooming. The niggas doing their thing,
now you right, you.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Correct, correct?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
They going to get that ship out of the bank.
Christian Hun, I ain't been telling by nobody but the machine.
And they're spinning it like it's free boy. He God damn.
But you know you know it's just like I said, Man,
we got the adapts, O g. We have to adapt
because we'll look at it. Man, that's a pump game, y'all.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Nigga doing a million dollar all this ship. You took
million dollars. Man, you know, how are you to do?
Like man, the credit card ship for them? You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, they spending that ship man, And so like I
was like, Man, whatever, if it's working for him, it's
working for him.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's something we couldn't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I don't have the nuts to even be fucking with
credit cards and banks and ship. Man, give me a
whole one. I ride up twenty thousand time you want
to go and fucking with man, just the nuts different
like we had different nuhe the NIGGASO throw.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Their id on another nigga. I d fast and running. Boy,
you're talking about go about that ship. Let you know
what the young heart, Well, I see the arguing by
some ship that ain't here. Keep the manager here, sh
get the Yeah, so that nephew them got nuts, a

(31:17):
whole different kind of nuts. Man. You could have never
did that.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Now, ship man, I ain't finished. Still out the show.
I ain't man, listen, but that's that. That's that new
ship man. That they got schemes, and they're not just
the digital scheme. It's other little marketing schemes that they
got going that we wasn't even type of they got
the computer.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Had we had that computer, we would be different people. Bro,
we didn't have.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
We just come to I just come to the internet
twenty eighteen. There you go, bro, I suposed have been
on this ship twenty winning first on my Space man,
I sposted for being the first digga that went on
viral the ship on. So no, shot Boy, the first
motherfucker let me give you a shot bar store go ahead.
Shop Boy is the only motherfucker part like a rock star.
That's the only song that was a fucking a CD,

(32:03):
a ring tone and the first song streaming that one
song did all those things and it's still streaming to
the day when it was trying to go viral.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
And shit, we didn't know the internet.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Man. I'm telling niggas to sit back, man, that ain't
what we do. Let sould your damn there go. You
don't want to be the first nigga to do nothing.
And I wasn't finna be the first nigga to see
what the internet is, you know, So we just stood
it back and letting them go and pretty much seeing
his thing could have one of it. But you know,
it was different where we're from. Like I said, man,
we were being from the hood. Man, being from the hood,

(32:33):
that you kind of be shell shoted, like coming from Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
When you make it, these niggas still coming on. We
ain't gonna go certain places and a lot of stuff
in the little just do our show and go home.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
So we just feel safe. But yeah, man, but yeah,
but y'all were right there. Y'all had y'all be the third.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Worst, the first thing, the third one, because you gotta
understand viral. The first thing went viral before the computer
was the ring tone. Think now, The first viral it
was Rington. Ain't now you went viral, the first viral action.
It was the Rington, so you word of mouth, just
here this winding the Rington on. Then the iPhone came out.

(33:11):
Oh that parted like a Robster ring tone. So that's
that motherfucker was going nuts, nuts, nigga. That's the first
viral ship. It was the ringtone that went viral. That
motherfucker was going nuts.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Man, listen that. I just thought about that. Man, you
everybody fall wrung like that. That was the ringtone. That
was it, nigga. So that's viral first. That's the first
concept of being viral, was the ringtone.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Then the iPhone came out where you could see the
video and all this, and the songs still were going
throughout the iPhone. So that's the legitimate. The first song
that go viral on the internet, it wasn't you. It's
Paul like a rockstar, Paul like a Ross stuff. It
just went on on fortniteln. We just got in on
four and I ain't on that now. So but ship
there listen man, Paul blessing man for.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Off. So like you know, that's just been a blessing man.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But yeah, that's the first song to go viral, bro,
And we had the opportunity to take that virus, that
viral moment, but we wasn't sure what viral?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Do you do you think? Do you think that Blessing
was just too big for what y'all what y'all knew?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Most definitely too big for what we knew, because, like
I say, man, I tell people all the time, Man,
we did that song just the goddamn on for the pool.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Pats were trying.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
To make a song hotter than goddamn white tea yeah
or laughing taffy. You know what I'm saying. But when
they brought it to him and I heard it, I
was like, Oh, that motherfucker night Man, y'all gott to
clean it up. So we had a chance to go
in there, call them go rapping hood dragging ball. I'm like, no,
say you know, clean it up, bro, just just clean
it up, make it all clean. But because this shit

(34:46):
sounded different, they went in there and clean it up.
And I remember two thousand and six New Year night
Man winning there played that motherfucker man or t Rock
played it, and that.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Big gave me chills, and the whole club were going
crazy with just the pool who did that beat on?
This white dude named Pitt.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
I was fucking with all school, Scooter Broun, Justin Biever
members the man Schooter. I was doing some work with
Schooter and it was longfol school even had them, and
I think he had Justin, but I was fucking with
school and Scooter sent him over there to rewire my
ship man and I was like, yeah, the school say, man,
ship you can make beats man. That man went in
that made part of like a Rostar off the rip
the first beat. He was like, man, what what the

(35:26):
song y'all got? I was like, mean the cou sign
is that hook?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You were saying?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Mina brought the hook out of Central Station about two
weeks earlier because I had just took them. He run
up on like yeoh, listen to the hook beat. He
was Rosstar Ross Rosstar Okay boo boom. Pitt came and
do the beat. He say, man, say that hook. Mina
came in that bit part in like a rock partying
like a ross Star, and the white boy went right
to it, thron't throw, don't don't no, don't don't don't

(35:50):
so And I wasn't really feeling that first. But but
after about four notes and after you put that, it
went to rocking and he made it bro without that
act were picked without the white inspiration, somebody that do
rock music for real, Paul, like a roster would have not.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Been at that big.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, you had somebody that knew about the the sounds
of the dram that like if you hear that Roster man,
that that that that's a real mixture of cultures.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's just when two cultures collide for real.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
What was what was the time that you knew, like
outside of hearing at yourself saying like the biggest Like,
what was the most shocking response did you get?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Man?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
The shocking response I got was shid money Lipman pulling
up on goddamn Hollywood Road and that limousine the head
of Universal. You gotta understand, I was stubborn. I had
a couple of dollars, so I wasn't going out ten
a year. It was gonna man munched Lipman and caught
a plane limousine him and.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
His brother Avery, these the biggest niggas in the music.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Right now, pull it right down on Hollywood Road, come
to the studio and god damn popping them balls say
both can do the deal of the night. You should
have made that pulled down and down and there folk
got them came that ship. But that was a big
moment and just the whole Grammar experience, just being Grammar nominated.
It wasn't even about just win and Colleen win that ship,

(37:11):
but being Grammar nominated and niggas had to turn us
on the like you know, being nominated it was back then.
Being nominated is a win. Like Noah, nigga, I saw
on the big we want to win for Red. We
didn't understand the politics of music and were being hood nigga,
were kind of being you know that our feelings in
this ship. This is our song, you know, I mean
the moment I've been beating up niggas all over every

(37:32):
state we go through this song, beating up.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Now we beat us at the Grammar. So that was
the experience.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
So just to be able to go to the Grammars
and that nomination did it for the man. But yeah,
well like Rosstom, nah for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Let me let me ask you that I already asked you,
what's the biggest shift?

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I said, when you think the shift change though in
the city, when the thing that the share of the change.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Like what changed it? And what when you think it changed?
I just really like.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
You said, So why I'm gonna tell you the real
thing this right here, Bro, I seen just say let's
use Future for it. Yeah, right here, man, I'm gonna
just say Future because he's a good kind of jump
for what I'm trying to forget right here. So niggas
watch Scooter and Future excuse me, Freeman Street and and

(38:23):
Future start from nothing, same way they seeing everybody else
start from nothing. They don't watch that nigga jump, not
through the roof many nigga gonna jump completely to a
whole nother planet of Pluto.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
So this nigga on Pluto. So now in the Young.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Nigga head, they actually did the fucking scales so big.
You understand we had something to shoot for.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, it was in Rain.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
It was in range Future that fucked right and jumped
too far the ram My body need to come back
down and just start from scrap mixtapes cause he the
biggest in it, bro.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
You but we got he got to come with him.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
He got a kick all the way back and give
us all these niggas then leave reach up on the
car that nigga jump through the he the top. Just
think about My top was short and low. His top
was default on franchise. Man, the top was right here.
We've been stacking.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So now it's no.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
The top of our music game is so high now
little baby, and all these niggas is up. Just the
nigga that's up, t l all they they up like
we ain't got that. Just think about that.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a big as gap. You're right.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
What's the bigg a gap from zero to where they
to where they at? Yeah, you're right, and so now
you're not. They think about, man, but we just want
to look man, them niggas is gone.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Shout out to them folks. Broy that ship got dawn.
He set the bar, but you know what I mean,
and his defense, his bar is bigger than that lim. Yeah,
so he ain't got a No, his ship is bigger
than he.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
He's in a world bar. But get what will be.
And I'm pretty sure you because he's around you a lot.
Back in the day, that nigga been talking how he is.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
He been saying that I'm I'm a god damn big
I'm gonna say the firm and then I'm gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I'm going over dry everything the niggas said he was
gonna do. He did. Now get that nigga that some.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Word powerful powerful, But listen, man, I seen that boy. Man,
that boy just go down there and got damn. We're
doing them songs so fast and his work at it
like a lot of people be wanting to be the future,
but but they got to see the ingredients that's in future.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Try to be the future. Now, just be there if you.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Can get the ingredients, his work, his determination, his weird power.
The nigga didn't take no for a answer.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Man. It's a lot of can say no to say no.
You say no, no, no, you know what I'm saying. No,
I see it nothing No that shit take a lot
for a nigga, baby say no. You hear me?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So yeah, So niggas like you know, outside of him,
but them nigga, that nigga through the roof and our top.
So who just think about who ground zero and and
who talk? What's the closest nigg to the hood that
just made it out at long Huncho Okay, well un
Jo just say Huncho. But in my opinion, Uncho grass

(41:10):
ain't strong enough to make let him to grab somebody
else and slang them in.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
You gotta be you gotta grab it.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Not saying that, but it's the movements, Like you hear
what I'm saying, So we just pick it back off
each other. Bro, if we can pick it back, i'm'a
grab the I'm gonna grab you. You grab him, and
you know it's kind of like that. But if you
ain't got nobody to grab on, so just say just
say Big ex deplog. You see how Big is going
moving around and ship the that's the latest artist I see.

(41:37):
It's so it's gapped out. We ain't got no mid
ran artists. You hear what I'm saying, Like that's why
niggas ain't that We were just talking about that. I
think probably just said this shit on one. It's like
the last time you've seen a nigga come out the city,
it's been a minute.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Because it's like.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Like you're saying, Nah, that's really shit you're saying because
like you're saying in Memphis and shit, they.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Still got niggas. That's right there.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
That's where can go, Like they ain't all the way gone,
so you can come up there and grabbing you get
beside them.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
But it don't look right with Pluto on a song
with a nobody that nigga right now.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
We ain't got nobody who you are, volunteer right now
you'd be like, you can get a song on future.
It ain't nobody that's even in that that bracket ain't
even there, you right, that whole bracket missing, So I
ain't got nobody be like, Man, look I'm in the
call future for you right now. He gonna get on
your song. Nobody is worth of that our We ain't
got nobody in that mid bracket. Man, he fucking up
the club, fucking up the radio. You know what I'm saying?

(42:33):
Nobody did they nigga trying to it ain't no roof
So all right, So with that being said, how can
we fix that? We gotta tell either We're gonna tell
Future in future man gonna slow down your game. Man,
slow your game down, which ain't gonna have mother, We
ain't gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I appreciate it now.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
No, So what we got to do is we got
the goddamn well see what we're at in the music
game cap that motherfucker. Help these folks get up to
that level of music, probably won't even have no more costs.
Just think about the clubs, the atmosphere. Man, I ain't
go to the club no more. Come when I go
in the club, that mother for go like it's so

(43:12):
stiff di vibe. Ain't nobody moving like it's just a
hookahs hookahs, And it ain't right.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
It ain't no vide. You can't break no song in
the club. Really, you can't break no song in the club.
You can't break no song in the club.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
So I advise all the niggas I and I just
just speaking from in my experience, in my opinion, the game.
You like, it's good to do music and shit, but
you gotta change it up now. A lot of shit
is getting visual, you know what I mean. We were
just saying, like, you know, it's just getting getting visual
this way, Atlanta going now, Atlanta going to a visual thing.
You were pioneer of it because you the first nigga
to come from where we came from. And you going

(43:45):
you out here the globe. Know you ain't telling them
where it's gonna lead you to appreciate it. So even the.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Tiler pears all that old stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
If we we got to focus now, just put a
visual down just far as as far as the sea.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
This fucked me up.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You don't even cut you out, But you right, bro,
it ain't no middle bracket, man, I'm gonna tell you how.
We know that though, Nigga, we're just trying to book
somebody for the Fox twenty shit and for the for
the ship show.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Either a nigga too high or too low, or he
ain't even worth it. That's fucked up. It ain't no
middle ground.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
That's the problem. That's the gap, and nobody can't see
that because they overthinking it and want to blame the DJ.
They want to band the club, they want to blame
the promoters. It ain't none of that ship either. Nigga
ain't gonna bring a nigga out like we I'm gonna
get him ten thousand. He ain't even bring nobody. I
don'tbody even know you, nephew. Then it ain't no twenty
thousand dollars nigga to book that shit go from ten

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thousand to m you hear me?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
So with that gap, that that gap got it for us.
So you know, we gotta fix that gap. Somebody.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I don't even know how it could be fixed, but
I want to bring acknowledgement to it, like the middle
gap missing. And then when I say the middle gap,
it's a bunch of these street niggas hot right now.
The lines stop at this radio ship bro somewhere at
the radio because.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You got it and everybody hot.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
It's a coupleedigger to get hid in the street where
they songs to graduate to the radio. The graduation from
the street to the radio is somewhere as done been
a disconnect with you.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Think the radio and points still hell no, no, hell no,
hell no, hell no man.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
The radio man, and not just saying about it, not
this radio, not this radio, man, you know what I mean? Man,
I be having these boys. Man, I take the shop
boy to them am radio stage.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
They get it's a different thing, different promotion and just different.
The radio is just I don't know. In Atlanta, urban
radio is is kind of like it's politicis now. You
can't even come on, man, they play more as the
music you understand, and.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah they do all that.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Goddamn I don't stand for that though, So like just
think about this, man, if if radio, if radio play
your music? This if the radio just play the artist
that work so hard in the street. If you just
play their music on the radio, that gonna give them
that sense of making it. That's that last goal that
they really need. The screen screen still be trying to

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still be out there doing God bars.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Let niggas wrap.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
A lot of them still come on and they get
their thing here. But but it's only so much. They
got a boss. They got a boss too, though. There's
got so much they can do.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
And that ship, fuck, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
So ain't no middle that shit go from ten thousand
tom ain't no middle ground.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So to repair that you need only for a walk through.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I had a nigga try to get get a boy Pluto. Goddamn,
the nigga want this ship was two years ago. This
ain't no ship. I'm talking about like recent. The nigga
say he had one, one, two or one three or
something for one show. Yeah, I'm only taking five shows six.
I'm a five show for eight or something like that.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
He's like, so would you do one for two? No?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
No, what the money saying No, I ain't got no
where to put that man. No, I'm like, bro, you
as gone gone. Now look how many motherfuckers that would take?
Just think about them little motherfuckers, Like just think about
where that dug bracket at, Like what what a fifteen?
Like the other bracket, like you know what I'm saying,

(47:25):
be a dub bracket. Everything in the door I'm talking
about Like yeah, yeah, ain't listen to ten less than
the dug.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Then they goes to fifty. Then it's a hundred them
step mission on like you just said.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
And when we realize that when we get a couple
of people together, they're gonna be able to fix that gap.
Like damn, it is a gap. And if it's happening
right there, it's having it's affecting a lot of shit clubs.
It's affecting on the promoter ticket sales. That's why the
birthday Bash and all these other ship don't get too
crumpled on from you could put one big artist, then.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You just gotta fill it up with some God damn
you listen and sometimes man the fucked up, but you
just have that one.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
So that that whole thing that that bracket missing though, bro,
we gotta fix the repair that middle bracket. So like
just the age of the edge of well, all these
niggas finna make it or that nigga, they're going and
you feel what I'm saying, so like, we gotta change
the narrative of high high manor cause not saying radio
or not needed, but radio is kind of that last
motherfucking goal in each artist mind. Do you think that

(48:31):
your niggas not making the music though they're making good music, bro,
they're making good music out here, but it's just so
much of the same music.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
But they got to switch it up.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
They gotta switch that ship up, man, because either they
don't cut the fucking fatch it off on that kind
of music, which I think nomaha, I'm like time for
a new sound. It's time for a new sound, ain't man, nigga.
But you think we need another future? You think we
need another yo?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Got it? Do you think we need it?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
All these niggas got off or somebody they sound like, bro,
and that's the whole ship. Do you know how hard
it is to make Paul like a rock star in
the middle of when you got shout Atower in one
ear snapping and you got Polly and the other ear snapping.
You know how hard it is to make a song
like Paul like a ross guard in the middle of
the snap era. This showed the resiliens of the of
the group and what we was on was trying to

(49:17):
be like nobody and I'm talking about the whole world
was snapping, and if you bagged the table around it,
the whole world was snapping. Once New York was started snapping,
its snap music was a lie. So it was hard
for us to sit in and find yourself coming. We
could have easy winning that made a snap snap. Any
would have made it. Man, nigga come out with part
of like a Rosstar, something totally off the grid, which
changed the motherfucker Paul.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Like a Rosstar is its own flow.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
It didn't even sound like no Atlanta shit, like you
know Atlanta niggad that make then't no nigga from the
project intentionally if we intended.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
To get that.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
And I used to tell them niggas. I to tell
the nigga and say, man, y'all don't have to be gangster.
When they look at your address, they know what will
circle that, they know what goddamn shit the street, that
they don't have to be gangster.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Bro, we ain't.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
We ain't got to prove it, nobody and and and
you know that was our advantage. So We were just
so humble because we was from the most violent over
the ship and we had a buff full of violent.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Niggas at the time. You know what I'm saying, I
didn't know, y'all want to go, come on, I got
the niggas on the road. I was like, whoa the nigga.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Back to the a because I had the wildness of
the wild and on the road with Chris Brown and
just you know, little ship like that. But I learned
quick man, because I didn't know. Man, I had to
govern my lords to my niggas.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's fucker tied up. Man. It was all type of
stupid man. Man, that ship was crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Hey, uh so what you think your biggest challenge was
h being a black man just coming into music industry.
My biggest challenges was pretty much me and myself just
just trying to trying to go from being nobody in
a hood nigga to being somebody that could be respected

(50:57):
all over the world as a challenge, which in itself, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, because you're gonna have a
stigma with you if you do it right, you do
the street ship right, you ain't gonna get it off
for you you could just clean it up.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
You can't get it off of you. It's all me, bro.
Yeah you know you could get it off of those
that just heard about it, but you can in your
whole with that on you, like it's a whole other thing.

(51:29):
So you gotta got there. Really, God damn, it's a.
It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
It's a life changing experience like being somebody else. And
the big thing about it is like you and already
graduated from the street and you got honors and all
that those ship. You got honors and ship, So we
don't need that ship. You graduated from rap, you got
honors and ship. What's next for me and you to do?
I'm following you. You got the same accolades I got.
You graduated from macing, trapping and rapping. Now we're onto

(51:55):
the acting skills and all these cameras and ship.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I want to do that.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I think that's I think that's the really ship we
said this interview that you just said, Bro, it's like
we innovate us. So we can't stand in lane with
the with the young niggas. We gotta keep moving on past.
So setting it, setting the trail This is how you
do it. You go from here, you go from there,
you go over here. Then you're in Miami.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You get fat and get over and sit on the beach.
You hear what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
You know, I'm saying, you gotta short nigga lay out
because I feel like once you get stabbed in one spot,
your time that has has.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Like I knew my time was up in the streets.
This ship up.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Like you said, when I started seeing the real niggas
ain't even real no more like, well, you've.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Been real a lot of time. You think you ain't
long to be a fun nigga. Yeah, yeah, this ship over,
it's over.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
And that's what if you was in Atlanta at that time,
the realist stuff them went the cracking and so that
ship that chined the whole ship the realist on.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Like you know, so that ship wasn't it wasn't even
worth it. Man, I got this ship.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
What I do?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Answer word with a word. I'm gonna say a word.
You just say the first word. Come to your mind. Ready.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Lego empowerment, strong influence me, vision everywhere, mindset, mandatory opportunity,
open ambition, granted passion, full determination, high connection, strong, wisdom,

(53:34):
great strategy, massive impact, undeniable lords must legacy, mind, respect, given, strength, health, focus, pinpoint, innovation, strong, inclusive, black.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Rock star mentality. When you said it, hold on, what
is it exclusive? Say that one?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
I said black on it because I said a color
When you said it, I seen colors in my head
and I was gonna say green, red, But I'm here
at the black focus innovation and inclusive. Inclusive brought a
color in my It was green. It was green, black
or white. So I just said black cause I'm here
with you. But it's I don't know that brought a color?

(54:55):
But what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (54:58):
What that means? Somebody? But that that was alright?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
That that was?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Now you what a lot of people be out there stalling.
Now you got to come on.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
That's what it's fun because it's it's just to see
where your mind and you know somebody ain't. I didn't
try to pull them, but each word gonna trigger word. Yeah,
that's what I always ask what d stuck out? It's inclusive.
We got to put it up and to see what
it is. Inclusive or cover.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
All the services or expected or required, not excluding any
of the part included.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Something Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, that what you're saying. Exclusive,
So exclusive, you bring everybody on that bus, you try
to be everybody.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah okay, okay, I didn't know, but yeah, yeah yeah.
So that's that's that's a part. And I say black
because that's that's that's just come with being black. Were
scared to lead people, bro, in fact, being a real
o g all og. Scared to lead somebody that's one
of them. It's in their fews. I left a nigga out, man.
The worst thing you can do is leave a nigga out.
And you know what I'm saying, especially for people don't

(56:05):
gave you years of Lord, man, niggas done gave me
years of Lord to in Atlanta. Man, I love them
and just feel like I'm not saying I on them,
but man, I'm round. I'm going down with this boat bro,
the city itself, man, mother of.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Them been good to me. Bro. So you feel like
you have survived remorse, and.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
To survive remorse, I had it all the time, bro,
because I still be around though that didn't survive. You understand,
I ain't if I was in Miami or gone somewhere,
I'm still in there, then I still see it. You
know what I mean, I still can see it. And
you know I come up my my prison still charged.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Nigga up.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
That's really why I ain't left it. Mother, Man, I
might die just nigga to see me. They be damn
that be yeah, I still be going to you know,
I'm still more round. Were still you know, being man,
but a couple of real ones in Atlanta. Man, when
the niggas get enough power, they'll leave it.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Be it, bro.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
So like, no, I ain't wrong here. No, you gotta
go and do your thing. But it's a time for it,
you know what I mean. When my time comes, I
will be gone. I'm thank you getting it wrong. My
time just ain't came yet, you know what I'm saying. No,
I'm not while I'm here. Don't get While I'm here,
I will be motivating you guys to go on to

(57:16):
the next level that I'm trying to go to. But
once I get you that next level, I will be
seeing the emails ment you know what I mean. That's
the real bro. But while I'm here, you know what
I mean, getting make it wise good? While I know,
like you know, like this play right man, this right
here by they play right here. Mine it's a personal

(57:38):
run right here.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
What kind of books you be me?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Man? Really, man, really, I like weird all all conspiracies. Man,
I'm a big conspiracy man, you know what I mean.
I'm I'm a conspiracist and I'd like to see how
things work. But I'm into forbidding knowledge. I'm into knowing
ship we don't. I'm big on that showed me. I'm

(58:04):
big on that ship right there, So you know that
that's my inspiration. Man, I be because a lot of
ship on Earth. I can grab the ship the knowledge.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
That you want. I can. I just seem like so
much knowledge, Like, man.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I got pretty much a lot of shit. I need
to know the forbidding ship, like some crazy ship. So
but yeah, now, always do books of the week and
and and this week I chose a book called The Alchemist.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
It's about a dude on the journey.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
So you know what I'm saying, just a journey, like
you said, trying to get find out the forbidding knowledge
and all that.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
So you really just hit it on the head And
I feel like that's that's like this is like us
just niggas just figuring it out along the way. You
know what I'm saying, And I don't feel like we
had to figure out. I think it's like, you know,
we were what teaches us, we follow. We already on
our path. All we gotta do it just walk it.
And you know what I'm saying, walk it, bro.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So like you said, everything that already happened happened for
a reason right now you and you in the space
of your life that you realize that you're the product.
I had to realize that too. I tell you, I'm
forty seeing that they took me forty three years to
stop being an idiot.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I'm just being real, bro.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Like, listen, the first song I ever recorded took off.
I got a fucking movie out of no where. Nigga
that call my phone said, hey, bro, they want to
put your move on bitch ring. Ye hell I do it, dude,
I said, I just never knew that I was the
biggest product. My mama would look for something to sell,
trying to say some dough try and see some nigga
trying to say some whole Try nigga, sell you, sell you.
And that's what I'm on, brou and that's it. But

(59:31):
you know what that looked like to see the hood
nigga on with the all white The dirty.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Nigga in town got on all white in the movie Mama,
come look at.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Not to say that, but no hood nigga like many
playing itself, playing itself if it won't let me use
my own lives and everything, Like I really can't read
this ship, man, I don't. I said, nigga, don't talk
like this, like just say whatever, saying that they ain't
read no script. That's how he talked. That ship was
a good add to that movie. Though, you know what

(01:00:08):
I'm saying, I don't know how that did it. But
that ship sparked the whole them. That's another thing I'm saying,
niggas big screen, that's another I can man now, I'm
trying to tip that. You know what I'm saying, That
ship is man need to shoot one. We gotta, God
damn we urban leaders. We swing from one vine to another.

(01:00:29):
It's scared to let we ain't doing just gonna let
a vine go to grab another one. No, we gotta
have another one in hand before we let it go.
Show you understand, Sometimes you gotta let that motherfucker go
and it might take two swings for.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Time. Understand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
So like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So you know, you're leaving vine for me, and I
don't want to leave vine for other folks. And that's
why we're doing it, just leaving vines and so like
niggas can travel through the jungle, man, So some people
just stuck on that vine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
What we.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
What can we expect from the next man? Listen Nick
had wasn't it for me? Man, I'm finna shoot a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I think I want to do a movie about just
Atlanta in general. Man, I want to it's the movie
just gonna be about just you know, hw Atlanta intertwined.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And high as all related.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
You know what I'm saying, nobody to massive the inside
out because I believe, like you know, just Atlanta, our culture.
It's a feel, it's a it's a it's a sound.
You know what I'm saying, It's a sound. Man, our
Son used to look different, bro our Son used to
look different. Like it's just a feel. But grad smell
gradually smell different. But yeah, for me, next man, I

(01:01:37):
want to do some movies. I want to step out
into this arm. You know, I just want to step
out and be a spokesperson for Atlanta in general, and
for my community, you know what I'm saying. And just
you know, I want to just God Dawn, help nigga,
help people empower and improve the community. After years of
doing so much stupid shit. Bro, I want to put
my little pieces in And I got the voice and

(01:01:58):
I got the strength to do that, and I want
to just do it so in the wisdom to do it.
But if I do it, it's others behind me that
gonna do it. But if I don't do it now,
because they ain't gonna do it unless they see motherfuckers
doing it. Like I just I just need to make
a move, man, because I'm still writing the book, My my,
my legacy, you know what I mean. I'm still aliing
with we still living legends. The legacy is still the

(01:02:20):
legend is still being written. I don't know what I'm
up to, but I guarantee it gonna be some legend there, bro,
And that why I want to come up here with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
You from ship. I say I'm gonna do something. So
I basically I think we need basically the pudcast. Hey listen, man,
somebody that we're trying to put that together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Man, just give me the game I told man, I
want to come with it, Bro, I want to come
with the basic partcast and just give my perspection, in
my my opinion and and and and you know my insights.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
How we wait with you come man? How I come Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Basically my partcast, I would have to do a whole
all that first season I shall be in season. I
want to structure and talk about the core of the city,
just the core and just old things and up to
the to the new stuff, but the core. To see,
there's a lot of stuff missing out of Atlanta, Bro,
would you be unapologetically see Cobby, I'm on the more.

(01:03:14):
I don't really counter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I ain't saying like what I can say what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
You come on the mother saying like I have to
come up and pall right up under you. You hear
what I'm saying in my mind, like how you you?
I'll be right like you got to say that ship,
I'm gonna start saying, I gonna really stop giving the
fun cause ILL be trying to give a fu.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
You got Jada already right there. She already coughed mint
with that. You ain't come a minute with that, but well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, well I told her the other day, man, she
already caught Lord listening. I got one question for you, bro,
go ahead. You know I just freestyle this ship, Bro,
Is it okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Too? Get your stamp back from a nigga that you
don't stamped out here? That turn side one?

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Most definitely, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely,
most definitely, most definitely because if not, it's like you're
standing with it. Like if you if you stamped the nigga,
he end up doing some pussy ship. You gotta let
the world know. I don't stand with that pussy ship exactly,
I believe. So that's you know what I'm saying. But

(01:04:25):
then that ship start walls so fucked up, bro, it's
like I can no, I just ain't stamping niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
That's it, you know what I'm saying, Like, like the
niggas already stamped you already stamp. Yeah, we already stamp,
so they can't stamp you were.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Having a conversation. You can't having the conversation. Ain't gotta
say you no real nigga. You are real nigga. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
If a nigga gotta stamp you, you won't stamped. Yeah,
I'm talking about like this for this. I say that
because I had this conversation for we got in there,
mother fockers. I don't vouch for niggas that I shouldn't
even vouch for that. It turned out to be the
wrong way. But how you out standing up guys like
standing No guy right around with him vouching that standing up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But it's it's it's what you do after he do
what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Man, I stopped vouching for niggas and god damn oh
sell eight right when rock Star came, I didn't vouch
for nobody else because even Jary Risk getting off the
red and like, who I'm gonna go to? I ain't work.
I ain't doing nothing. Who I'm gonna go to? I'm
not sending you to nobody. You're not vouching for.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Nobody, But I mean neither. I never did go to
jail he robbed you anything. I ain't in that. I
ain't in that. Yeah, not real ship to this day,
nigga be like is he good? I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know. Oh no, my brother, I
don't know. I ain't in that because even Ferdn you
call thatack when he ain't he ain't good and that's real.

(01:05:47):
So nah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
But but I feel like if a nigga, like, if
a nigga you don't vouch for a stamped in the
past if they go to do some sucker ship.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
If you still standing next to him, that mean you
still vouch me. If you're not standing next to him,
no more, they know he ain't right. Yeah, that's it.
Ben ten will follow you at r man, follow me
on on Dick.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
King, be on Instagram, Yeah, follow me on that king
be Instagram and all the major platforms. I got a
YouTube channel off and to come out with We're Finna.
I'm gonna soak up a little game when the chemera
go out from bank man. But no, man, listen, I
just want to you know, I want to come up here. Man,
Just get the blessing from the city because when I come,
I'm representing Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah, what when you drop, we gotta bring you on
big fat and screen and chop it up to go. Man,
when you drop, I want to be I want to
be number fifteen, yest number fifteen Geary write that down
bank our game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I want to be number fifteen. Make I gotta get
fourteen fold way better than that's what to do. That's
what makes us see the ball. Yeah, I want to
be doumble fifteen Man, I promise you number fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I promise you, brother, I appreciate you, love you, My brother.
May make sure y'all go like to strive to come
into the Big Fat That work.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
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and produced by Aaron A.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
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