Thinking Long-Term in a Short-Term World with Ari Rastegar

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It gets no better than this.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You are now in June to Perspectives with big Bang Bang.
Let's get straight to it.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Welcome to Perspective Back today, I got a special, special
special gift my friend, my brother Ari Raska.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
How you doing, my.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Brother doing great? Thanks for having me man.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I appreciate you pulling up. I'll live in Texas.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
To your city, Bro, Happy to be here, No, for.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Sure, Hey, I want to first, I want to check
on your mental where your mens to stay at right now?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I've been I've been pushing, push and pushing, pushing. As
we were talking about a little bit before we started.
When you have momentum, you gotta go harder. And I've been.
I've been at this twenty something years and I feel
like just now that it's just now starting to come
together at a level that I can take a little

(00:52):
bit of enjoyment in. And as that momentum starting, you
got to push. And I'd rather be exhausted at the
end of the day doing something I think is worthy
than those other years. You know, when I was exhausted
delivering pizzas and flipping burgers at Johnny Rockets, when I
wasn't sure I could wake up the next morning.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Being successful. Do that come with more work?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh yeah, well less work way more So.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
When do you When do we rest well?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I've thought a lot about for me for most of
my life, I thought that resting met being lazy, and
that was an incorrect assessment quite frankly. You know, rest
is about recovery, so you can go go back and
hit it super hard. But I've been admittedly very very

(01:42):
bad at that most of my life, and at this
point is a father of three, you know, having a
lot of people that that depend on me, millions and
millions of square foot of you know, real estate and
buildings and businesses. I take time a little bit more
to cover, but not in the normal times I think

(02:03):
that people do. If I'm working till four or five
in the morning, sometimes I'll sleep till eleven o'clock in
the morning because I find between eight and nine in
my world, you know, people are just fumbling and fidgeting
and getting their coffee and barely getting situated in the office.
So I try to rest and recover when everybody else
is fake working.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Hey, a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I watch a lot of Interview Man, CNNC, CNBC, Everything Man, Fox, Knew,
and they like talk about the grind.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And your store. I want to talk about the store,
but photogrind noo.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, well it's Look, it wasn't that long ago that
I was making two dollars in eighty six cents an
hour at Double Day's Pizza. You know, I was very
much a late bloomer in a lot of ways, Like
I was off in middle school, in high school. And
finally my pops you know, had to say, you know,

(02:58):
have one of those crazy moments of you know, it
counts from now on, like after you turn eighteen, like
you can't frek around.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Like this or else, like you're in big trouble. But
so I had to go to community college. I went
to two different community colleges to learn how to learn, honestly,
you know, like learning how to like, you know, I've
always been a big reader. I've been very fortunate, you know,
to read from a very very young age. But I

(03:28):
always thought when they said study skills was like a thing.
I always thought that that was some bullshit class of
you know, something they try to tell you. But it
was real. So I had to. I had to go
through that, and it was very difficult. It was very humbling.
Out a very bad speech impediment, growing up at a
very bad list, very bad stutter, which you know, made

(03:49):
people think that I was dumb, And in hindsight that
was you know, that was a blessing because I went
to seven years of speech therapy to learn how to communicate,
and I've come to learn in my life life that
communication skills, especially in this day and age with all
the AI and technology, you know, there's nothing yet that's
replacing the human experience of how you communicate with people,

(04:11):
how you touch people, how you relate to people.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
And I think in this day and age, as we.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Become more you know, more technological, that that human experience
is the most important thing you could actually learn how
to do, and it is a skill you have to
You have to learn how to do public speaking, learn
how to communicate, and most of communication is nonverbal, you know,
so learning those cues, learning those instincts. So although you
and I didn't grow up necessarily on the same street,

(04:39):
those instincts that you had to have to survive are
very much identical.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Thanks. Thanks. So.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So you say your pops gave you that that that
father son and talk, do.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You think did you get it right away?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Us.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did you get it right away?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
It took you some time, Nah, to It took some time.
Like I said, I was, I was stubborn. I was arrogant,
very entitled in hindsight, and you know, I could give
you my sob story of you know, being the poorest
kid in the richest neighborhood, and we all got a
story to you know, make ourselves feel bad about ourselves,

(05:14):
which is just an excuse to procrastinate, is what I've learned.
But in reality, all of those failures were teaching me
how to win. Now.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So so when did you realize that nobody's come to
save me?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Man? Probably somewhere somewhere in college, because you know, my
father went to law school later on in life and
did everything he could, you know, to to get me along,
you know, and you know there was a point in
you know, nearing them to college. You know, he was,
you know, giving me monthly, monthly money to do stuff,

(05:50):
helping pay for college and sending me on a study
abroad to Mexico and doing everything he could, you know,
as a single dad dealing with his own stuff to
put me in that position. He made huge sacrifices, you know,
to make that possible. But there was a time, you know,
as the economy took a bad turn in two thousand
and six, two thousand and seven, I was in law

(06:10):
school that I realized that it's just me. You know,
it's just me. And that was a very you know,
that was a very very tough moment. And it didn't
happen overnight. It wasn't something that was some aha light
bulb moment where I was like, oh, okay, great, no
one's coming to save me. Let me go get it together.
It was a lot of denial, a lot of well,

(06:32):
maybe something's going to happen. Maybe if I do this,
I can hit some overnight success and you know, have
some quick fix of something. And that was just such
a colossal waste of time, because you know, when you're
building a life or building a business, it doesn't happen
in days. It happens in decades. And I'll tell you

(06:53):
something that I learned from Bill Gates that that really
really hit me, hit me hard. He said that we
as people overly overestimate what we can do in one year,
but we dramatically underestimate what we can do in ten.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
In fact, but where I'm from, though, it's like we
feel like we running out of time. I think that's
that's that's like a part of anxiety, Like because I
come from the streets, like hustling on the streets, actually
hustling on the streets. So the mentality that came into it,
like shit, but I got hurt. Get if I go
to see I gotta get if I die, you know
what I'm saying. So I think I use that same

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mentality in the legit world that I'm trying to get
away from it, like no bank. It takes time. That's
what I've been on now, like be more patient. It
takes time because we were moving like tomorrow and coming.
That's how I've been moving.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, look, you know, we're all very influenced by our
culture and our upbringing.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, Okay. One of the things that both of us
were taught incorrectly is that money is scarce, that there's
only a limited amount of money.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
That's a lie. There is more money in this.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Damn world, cryptocurrency, gold, silver, money, cash, euro, yen, but
we were trained to think that there's always not enough
of it. I learned sales garage saling with my mother. Okay,
my mother is the coldest salesperson that I ever met

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in my life. Like we'd go to yard sales, you know,
on Saturdays, that was our weekends, and she'd find some
little piece of furniture or some little trinket or something,
and they'd say it's five bucks, and she'd say, well,
I only got a dollar, I only got fifty cents,
and would end up buying it for that And then
we'd have yard sales at our house once a month

(08:55):
and she'd sell it for twenty bucks. And I learned
in that process that it's not about the resources that
you have. And I know we all think that if
I had more resources, if I had more money, but
money just amplifies who you are.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
If you're a dick, you're going to be a bigger
dick whenever you have money.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
If you're a kind, generous person, it's just going to
amplify it. But it's not about resources. It's about being
more resourceful. So what I think about a lot, and
you've been a great friend to me, and you know,
I remember when we first met. You know, it's a
big room of a lot of people that have names.
To say the least right everybody in that room, I

(09:40):
would say, is somebody, h is that fair to say?
And we don't know each other from Adam, but we
have several mutual people that we both that we love
in that room for sure, And within a matter of
five minutes we were both standing in the same corner talking.
And then seven hours later, four or five in the morning,

(10:01):
we're still sitting next to each other talking, and people
kept coming up and and I equate that right or wrong.
You're right, I mean exactly right. And someone would come
up and pick, oh, I wanted y'all to meet Oh
you know, so it's oh, yeah, yeah, Bank, I wanted
you to meet ari Ario. I wanted you to meet Bank,
And and I equate that to you know, that human
condition of like I said, even though you know we

(10:25):
weren't raised on that same street, we feel those same
feelings and have those those same dreams. And that's a
lot of why we're sitting here today, Because I think
about in Ut telling me a lot about your background
and your upbringing. I thought about it the other day
and said, man, what would I do if I was sixteen, seventeen,

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eighteen years old on your street?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But you knew, But what would you do if you
was sixteen seventeen eighteen years old. But you knew what
you know now, But what would you do?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I know exactly what I would do, to be perfectly honest,
and I'll tell you if there is anybody listening to
this for real, that actually because a lot of people,
you know, they bullshit about wanting their way out. I
want this. I'm trying to do that. I'm talking about
to the real hustlers, the real ones that are looking
for a way out and want to fight for it.

(11:26):
This is exactly what you do. You go to whatever
neighborhood you're in and you go find the old heads
and the ogs, a couple of them, one of them,
two of them, the real ones, and you make yourself
indispensable to them. You mow their damn lawn, you wash
their car, you cook them. I don't give a fuck

(11:48):
what it is, only you know what it is. But
you make yourself somebody valuable to those men and women
that have wisdom. And you also do the same for
the people that they love. It's their kids, it's their grandma,
it's the goddamn neighbor. And you do things for them,

(12:09):
whatever it is, so that over time they need you,
and when they need you, you become close to the
seat of power. I watch the way everybody in that
room talks to you. Some of the biggest names in
this culture, they came up to you, and I watched
the way you generously gave them advice. They asked little

(12:31):
questions when they walked up to you. Their shoulders dipped
a little bit. You know, they're you know, walking around
like this and stuff. Not when they came up to
you and then you generously gave them a piece of knowledge.
They expressed some fear that they have and you either
told them that no or you told them yes, and
they would keep coming up. So if I'm in that
situation and I'm a young kid, I would come find

(12:53):
that person and do whatever I could for them. For
my bosses on Wall Street, when I first started, I
knew that my who was one of the biggest, you know,
guys in real estate finance in the world. My wrestling
coach introduced me to him. He gave me a shot
to build my first big, big business, and I knew
at around seven fifteen, every morning he walked out of

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his apartment on Park Avenue in New York City and
he'd walk down the road to his to his office,
and I made sure that every single day. Okay, and Major,
my best friend, who you you know very well, shout
out to Major Miller, the goat of all goats. Literally,
my life doesn't exist without him. He and we've been

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at it since seventh grade. As you know, same hustle.
There's just more commas and zeros, but it's the same shit.
I would make sure that I stood across the street
one hour before he walked out, just so I could
walk with him to work. And I had my job,
I was out laid, I was doing the things I
was doing, and then when he was done with work,

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I was standing outside of his office just so I
could walk with him. He'd drive out to pick up
his kids every Thursday, and I would drive him. I
was a lawyer, top of my class. I had every
excuse in the world. No nah, I'm I was a
grown ass man. I already had my bachelor's, my PhD.
You know. But to be next to him, just to

(14:19):
hear him on the phone a little bit, to hear
the tones that he used, the stuff that he said,
like that was the education, taking care of his kids.
One of his sons, you know, wanted to go see
jay Z. I was like sixteen years old at the time,
and he's telling him. He's like, Dad, you know call
your guy that you know we can you know. He's like,

(14:40):
I'm not going to a j I'm not going. And
I remember saying, I'll take you first. I wanted to
see Hove but at the same time, you know, but
he's like, you'll take me. He's like, he's like, and
my friend wants to go. And he remember looking at
me like, on a you're gonna take my kids to
a jay Z concert. It's like, you're damn right, I'm
gonna take a absolutely, And I remember how that relationship,

(15:03):
what it meant to him, where he could hang out
with his wife, he could go to the dinner that
he wanted to because it's got to be passed down
little by little. So finding those people that know that
have walked that path, and all of them know somebody
in one day just naturally, they're gonna pick up the
phone for you. They're gonna want to do something for
you because people do business with people they like, Yeah,

(15:26):
I don't give a fuck what business it is. What
you're gonna find, They're gonna find a way to do
business with you. If they like you. If they don't,
I don't give a fuck. How good your business plan,
your track record, your damn they don't give a fucking fuck.
If they don't like you, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
So let me ask you something.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
How important it is do you think it is to
have like a mentor just in any type of buisiness.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I think it's miss I think it's absolutely one of
the most important things. But you know, look, you learn
in finance that you have assets and you have liabilities.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Everyone has both. It's two sides.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Something that is worth something, and then you it's in
real estate. Let's say you buy this building we're in
Okay for one hundred million dollars. Well, you have a
mortgage on it that's fifty million dollars, okay. So when
you sell it, you don't keep the whole hundred million dollars.
You got to pay off the debt. You got to
give your investors their money back plus their profit. So
there's both sides of it. And when it comes to

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a mentor, Okay, there's risks that come along with it.
Because I don't take advice from anybody that doesn't do
what I do or doesn't have a piece of it.
They don't need to be in a real estate development,
be a lawyer. No, Like I take advice from you,
We talk about things because the instincts that you've had,
the things that you have, I can talk to you

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about certain things. But taking advice or having a mentor
that isn't hasn't done what you want or doesn't have
the character trait of what you're trying to aspire, is
very fucking dangerous. You go to advice and everyone has
an opinions or you know, everybody's got a damn opinion. Yes,

(17:12):
but one of my favorite Supreme Court justices rest in peace,
Anton Scalia, doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
He's a fucking monster.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
One of the opening lines of one of the Supreme
Court decisions, he said, everybody's entitled to their own opinion,
but they're not entitled to their own facts.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Everybody.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, you're right, everybody. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion.
You know, opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got them, but
not facts, And so you got to be very selective
of And that's why I say, back to that point,
if you're in a neighborhood, you're trying to find your
way out. There's a people that are there that have
lived longer, because in your neighborhood, I'd like to believe

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live into fifty.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like that's when in the lottery a dinosaur, you're a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So if that man or that woman is there in
that regard and you get the privilege of speaking to them,
because it all goes downward. Everybody has a boss. I
don't give a fuck Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, the Saudis
or that man's boss. He's got shareholders that he answers to.
He's got customers of Tesla you answer to. And everybody

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talks about billions and billions, and I've touched a few myself,
and I plan on touching a few hundred million more.
But billions starts with bills. And the more that you have,
the more land, the more responsibility you have, the more
people and the more things that you answer to. So

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becoming successful or getting to that plate doesn't mean that
all of a sudden you do whatever the hell you
want or whatever, because there's responsibility that comes into what
that means more customers, more shareholders, more everybody's got a boss.
And the quicker that you realize and at the very least,
if you ain't got a real boss, the big man

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sitting up there and he's your big boss.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
If you can't find someone else's answer too.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Makes you some What's some things that like just growing
up in an environment and making the mistakes that you
learned along the way that you couldn't learn like from
elite education in colleges and stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, that's instincts. Instincts is a very, very very big one. Look,
there's a I think of it like book smarts and
streets smarts, okay, and how many times you meet the
super smart brainiac with a four point of gpa.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
That's a fucking dweb.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's like a cliche, like it's all out there, Like
you know, a lot of the professors that are that brilliant,
not all of them, because I have some of the
best teachers ever in the world that because they can't
do they teach.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You say, so they oh yeah, they can't do yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, so they teach.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
You know, there ain't no business professor you know around
that can teach me how to I am a business.
You know, you can't teach that. That comes from instincts.
So there's certain things on the street that you learn
about how people operate, how the social intelligence that goes
into running a big organization, being the center of attention

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in whatever neighborhood that you're from. Those developed instincts that
you can't you can't really measure, either you have them
or you don't. And the ones that have them, you
know they do. That's street books teach you how how
to take those instincts and create systems, processes so that

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you can actually implement it and to bring it to reality,
so you end up needing both.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Okay, now, I remember one time you told me. I
was like, you know the number one thing you can't teach.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I did.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's hunger. You can't teach hunger. You cannot teach.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You cannot teach. And that's why all the kids of
rich parents that their parents get all mad and be like, well,
why aren't you trying to do whatever? That motherfucker's full?
How are you supposed to I have a tapeworm in
my tonguey like I'm starving.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
You can see my bones, you know, but you know, like,
so how you can't and so you can have all
the intelligence in the world, You can have all of
the the ambition to do this and this.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
But if you're not hungry, you ain't getting off the couch.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I got to ask this question because it's the time
to ask this questions.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Eleven on eleven eleven.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
God, bless, Who did you have to disappoint to become
the man you are today?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Damn? Who did I have to disappoint to become the
man that I am today?

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Everyone? Everyone, including the old me?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oo cool? I'm telling you because because everybody in your
life is very comfortable with the you that they like,
they like to keep your light on the on the
dimmer timer just enough to not outshine them. And I

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didn't and I did not work And people are like, well,
he changed, Goddamn right, I changed? You think I worked
this hard to stay the same. No, I did change,
and I disappointed everybody around me to become this person.
Because you know what the funny thing is, people ask

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me all the time, you know, man, this guy you
know betrayed me?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Did this?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Did that? You know? How do you know who's real?
You know who's real by who's around you when you're losing,
because loyalty stays regardless, stays regardless, and through that disappointment
because you know, problems. One of the biggest mistakes I

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think we make as people in general is thinking that
we're not supposed to have problems. Problems are the gifts
that we grow from problems? Is how God puts us
in a position to become the man or the woman
to be able to receive those blessings. And you and
I talked about this, you know, before you know we're

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talking about so what would you know? What would someone do?
You know when they get their first thousand dollars, you know,
their first ten thousand dollars that they've saved up right, Yeah,
And what I told you, what I believe is they
should hold it. They should hold hold that money. Don't
try to grow the damn thing. Hold that shit because

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how often do you know people make money and it's gone.
How many people win the lottery and are broke because
they don't have the money muscle. There's a muscle of
how you learn how to hold money. And when you
learn how to hold it, first, get comfortable with that,

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to get used to it. Feel what it's like to
have those bricks in your pocket, Like, feel when you
put that chain on, what it's like to fuck up
your posture because that shit's too and you get comfortable.
And then once you're comfortable and you've learned that new norm,

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how to carry that weight, how to be comfortable, let
your joints adapt, then you can start to grow it.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, because once you learn how to hold it, motherfucker,
you know how to hold it so will that she
ain't gonna release it on no bullshit exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And I'll tell you how, and I'll tell you the
other part when we're talking about let's talk about lifting weights.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Okay, So I start lifting weights and doing bench press.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
You start doing reps, and you can do ten reps,
let's say, and then you put on a little more weight.
You can do eight reps. You put it on a
little more weight, six reps, four reps. The last few
reps when you're exhausted is when you're actually growing. But
it takes a minute. With is you add more weight,
which is money in a lot of ways, it's a

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blessing and a curse. There's a burden too it. There's
a benefit to it. But once you get comfortable holding
more weight, you can hold that bar more steady, you
can focus on your form, you can really get but
At the beginning, you're just trying to stabilize that motherfucker.
You can barely hold that shit. You're wobbling and twisting
and turning. But at a moment, when you get to
hold that weight, it gets comfortable in your hand, you're

(25:58):
cozy on that bench. That's when the work really starts,
and that's when you can absolutely, absolutely start to move
a little a little different.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Hey, let me ask you something we haven't.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
We have a lot of conversations, but we have the
conversations missed up with me and I said, I will
ask you this. It's like, the way you explain real
estate is basically the same as the streets.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know what I'm saying. It's like by flip hole.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, what's the what's the you know it's it's it's
funny you talk about that. The first real real estate
analogy in in Wrap was Wayne and Mac. But you
mean the Carter. Shout out to Macmain, Macmain, the CEO,
macmahine for president the Carter. The Carter is about a

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building and that was their analogy for explaining the expressing
who Wayne was a person. It was like, let me
walk you through my building, let me show you the
ins and outs, the ups and downs. This is the
Carter me fourth soulo out And I came back around
explaining this the Carter was is him as a human being,

(27:05):
expressing all the intricacies within his mind and his spirit.
That changed my life, That made me start to think
of mine, of what I would do, What is my
carter gonna gonna represent? And to me, the buildings now
are an extension or an extension of me. I learned

(27:26):
that from from experiencing that album, feeling those feeling those
feelings to start to build my own carter.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
So nah that that's a great analogy. And you put
Wayne in a so real Estate was a mixtape? What
would be the name of your mix.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Tape stacking bricks without a doubt? What would be your
rap name? Oh shit Ari real name, no gimmicks, Otey
fird name j first name, last name. How much it
says come from strategy, and how much it says come
from faith? Damn well. I will tell you that I've

(28:10):
been around a lot of very hard working people, Like
in my business on the construction side. When you see
the roofers, the plumbers, the construction workers that build these things,
they work extremely extremely hard. You know our investors that
are firefighters, these pension plans, police officers, they work extremely,

(28:31):
extremely hard. So I thought so much that hard work,
the strategy of hard work was and you you got
to have it. But that's not the whole picture. When
I look at my own life, there was a lot
of grace in my like I'm not Mother Teresa by
any stretch of the imagination. But my work is my worship.

(28:54):
I do this to build something that I believe is
my purpose that I'm that I'm actually pulled to. Okay,
And so with that faith is it is an amazingly
important component to building anything, because you have to be
so fucking delusional to think when you're sitting in something

(29:15):
you ain't got nothing, and me working flipping burgers and
doing this thinking that one day I could be a billionaire.
You know what the difference between a million and a
billion is. You're like this, People say millionaire and they
say billionaire. They throw these words around very loosely. I'm
gonna break this down for you please. A million seconds, okay,

(29:36):
A million seconds is thirteen days you following me. A
billion seconds is thirty two years.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Thirteen days or thirty two years.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Big difference.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
That's a that's a billion dollar difference.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
You know what I mean? Shit some meaning meaning you
know when you got two dollars, it is, but it's
a bigger leap from a million to a billion than
it is from zero to a million. You make the
first million the second millions inevitable because money attracts money
just like anything. Good habits attract good habits, bad habits.

(30:18):
That's why everybody's mama told them, don't hang out with
those kids around whatever. You're gonna end up just like
them that will don't fall far from the tree every
analogy that we've been you know, here and for years.
But I say that to you in the sense that
to believe that you could be a millionaire or a
billionaire coming from the places that a lot of the

(30:41):
people listen to this came from, place that I came from,
certainly emotionally places that you came from, is so beyond
impossible that it's ridiculous. So if you don't have faith,
a relentless faith that something could be better, and start
to build that within your own mind, all the hard

(31:03):
work in the world ain't gonna do shit. You work
hard as hell of McDonald's and people do.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
You use it like an analogy as a car.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
That's what made me ask you that one time you
had said telling to me about strategies like the engine
and faith is the gasoline.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, that's an absolutely. I remember the conversation, Barry. That
was a great conversation. By the way, you taught me
a lot during that conversation.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I think the point is they run in tandem. You know,
they run in tandem. Back to the street smarts, the
book smarts, you know, having you know the strategy and
you know, think of it like what we were talking about.
I think is, you know, you want to drive from
New York to California. Let's just say you're on the East.
You want to go to the West, and that's your plan. Okay,

(31:50):
you got the car, you fill it up with gas,
et cetera. You have faith that you can get there,
all those things. But if you drive south and and
that's your strategy, you ain't never getting to California, thanks period.
So these things have to work together. One of the
big realizations of my life is I thought that life

(32:15):
was individual sports. I thought that life was golf for tennis,
and it's not it's team sports, it's basketball. You have
to have a team like we talk about, you know,
Major Tyler, Sandy or Arthur or Francisco or Tim or Anthony,
all the people that are on my day to day

(32:36):
you know, core team. Let's say, the skills that they
have are skills that I don't have. And early in
my career delegation to other people, I saw a weakness.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I thought that I got to do this.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I got to shelter all the thing because you know,
when you're a founder of anything, you got to wear
a lot of hats. You know, you're the accountant, you're
the marketing guy, you're the face person, you're the CEO,
and you're the janitor.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yep, right, yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It all too well. I know you know that well.
All the qualities that make a great founder, grit, strength, resilience, faith,
all the things we're talking about, those exact characteristics make
a terrible CEO. So you literally have to evolve into

(33:29):
a different motherfucker. A CEO delegates. They create systems, They
train people to do the things so that you can scale.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
And you have to be able to to have the
knowledge to know what person belongs in what position? You
know what I'm saying, you gotta you got like and
you gotta give certain people like like even shall Court whoever.
I'll be like, y'all, go ahead, whatever you think, because
you gotta get these that that kind of give people
the inspiration that they that you believe it.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Not just that, it's also intelligence because the things that
I learned from Major and how he handles things, like
his skill set of dealing with people is the chief
of staff of this massive, massive organization. I'll say that
all the time. Whatever you think, I'll show you fifty
text me whatever you think. What do you want to do? Like,
it's not my department? And that's not a like a

(34:27):
oh like I legitimately don't know the answer to that thing.
It's like, not everybody wants to be Michael Jordan, you know,
no one wanted to be Tim Duncan. Spurs are born
as hell, but they got how many goddamn rings? And
so that having the and the best players in the
world is another thing that I learned. Back to that

(34:48):
mentor or whatever, there was never a time that Phil
Jackson could guard Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. Ever, yet
they call him the zen Master, like meaning you got
to have a coach. You got someone that's looking at
that level with you and that takes and that's in
different arenas someone that look at yourself in your health

(35:09):
journey becoming a vegan when you were you know, big
big bank. You know what I'm saying. You know to
where to where? That was a you know, an incredible change.
You didn't you were talking to me about blood type
diets and you didn't just know that shit.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You didn't want to know it. You didn't see it.
It wasn't in your realm. And that was where the
mentors came in. It could have been a mentor from
a YouTube. I watch YouTube every day and if you don't,
if you want to learn something in this damn world,
when I was growing up, there was no YouTube for
you either. The world's information is on that that you
can learn any damn thing that you want if you

(35:51):
have the humility and the desire. Like I'm watching the
CEO Blackstone, CEO of Goldman Sachs, watching them in real
time give conversations that I can use them as my
mentors to say, what's he Teka talking about? For this?
For real estate, for the economy, for geopolitics, and I
get to hear the stuff they say to where the
mentors and the teachers you have? My best teachers have

(36:13):
been in books. Yeah, wasn't necessarily, so don't take.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
That as big.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know anybody that's rich that I can go
meet with someone. Someone out there saying that. Listening to this, well,
go to YouTube. Go to YouTube, Go type in whoever
it is that you like, you want to be you
want to be a baller. There's a million Kobe Bryant interviews.
That man watched more film. Tom Brady and Kobe Bryant
watch more film than maybe anybody ever. And that's what

(36:39):
it is. You find the person that's doing the thing
that you want and you emulate them. You say uniquely you.
But there's like a success. Success leaves clues and you
know what else, So does failure. When you fuck it up,
it don't happen over night. You fucked it up incrementally.

(37:01):
You didn't become big big bang by two cheeseburgers.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Took a bunch of the Yeah this she took a
but all of it. Yeah this she took all type
of and locks and tails, everything.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You everything you can put in your bouth. So increment
it counted in little increments, little increments because those little things,
you know, don't feel too too little. Eating one little
candy bar, just a little candy bar. The ain't gonna
do nothing but over time, and I'll tell you same

(37:37):
thing comes with money a little bit at the same time.
Seven percent compounded over time, doubles every ten years, and
then it doubles again, and doubling something that doubled again
in days. It don't seem that interesting. If you look
at the stock market on a day to day basis,
looks like this lines of the but you zoom out

(38:01):
twenty years, that shit is like this straight up. So
taking that that timeline and realizing, you know, and I know,
you know, some of the things that we might be saying, like, yeah,
that sounds like a quote some Hallmark card that I read,
and maybe some of them are on a Hallmark card.

(38:24):
It's the truth, because motherfucker's been saying it for so
many damn times that you took it for granted. But
it is the reality that little you know, like you
look at a door, okay, you ere to open a door,
and you look at the hinges you know that keep
a door. There's like three or four of them on
every door, super small, super small, small hinges, swing.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Big doors, super big doors, super big doors.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So it's always the it's always always the little things
repeated over and over and over and over that start
to become I saw Messy a while ago talking about
you know, someone made something said about all of his
success and this, that and the other, and he said,

(39:13):
it took me seventeen years in one hundred and forty
three days to become an overnight success.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
That's everybody at all. Let me ask you a question.
What you think make people not want a grind all?
Like to grind it out or.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Do the small thing because look, because because Amazon Prime
ruined our and I love Amazon Prime, don't cancel my account,
but shout out Jeff Bezos, maybe the goat of all goats.
It created instant gratification, and that's not how life works.

(39:49):
You want to make a baby, Ask any mother that
little teenc takes nine months to turn into a baby.
If it takes nine months just to make a baby,
how long do you think is it take to make
a life? Things take time. It takes time. You plan
a seed, and we see it all through nature. You
know that you plan, a little seed turns into a

(40:11):
big oak tree. But over time, not days, not months,
not even years. Life happens in decades. And if you're
blessed enough and you have the grace and you've been
given the gift to be alive for those decades, and
you got all your limbs, you got your faculties, and

(40:31):
today actually is Veterans Day. Okay, Oh, my love and
my respect go to the people that sacrifice their life
for us to have these freedoms and that freedom to
have this conversation, the freedom to have this discussion, the
freedom for someone to be able to watch this on
their electronic device that I don't even know how that

(40:54):
motherfucker works. They know chords, what happened to the chords?
They no wires. I understood when there was wires.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That I ain't even gonna start a conspiracy shit because
I'm thinking, like everything's going through the air, right, It's
got to be going through the air, like everything is
going through frequency.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Right. Well, they say a fish doesn't know it's in water.
To this is just living, So maybe we're some kind
of fish and this whole thing up here is a
form of water. Fish don't know it swims.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
So we able to communicate with phones just through the
air airways, right, people are actually communicating through the airways too,
through their brain.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's I believe that in a.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
One hundred percent we've proved it. I did this thing.
So there's this meditation teacher. His name is doctor Joe Dispensa,
and I'm big into meditation.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
As you know, my brain won't cut off, man, I'll
be trying this. Shit won't cut off.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
But meditation is a practice as well, meaning it takes practice. Okay,
you know, you didn't become Steph Curry. Didn't become Steph Curry.
He took five hundred shots a day for twenty years,
took three point five million shots to make thirty six
hundred threes to be the best shooter ever. Meaning it's this.
Everything is the damn same. So meditation practice. I couldn't

(42:10):
sit still for thirty seconds. Now I can sit still
for hours and hours and hours after ten years, you know,
of learning a technique, having a teacher having so just
like anything. And it's called a meditation practice for a
reason because you do a practice, not a destination.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
You know, it's it's a thing.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And and doctor Joe what he's done and I did
this year, I've done I want to say five verse six,
at least five, but let's say five or six seven
day meditation retreats. And I'm not talking about ayuuasca or
some whatever people. Hell no, you would hell no, absolutely

(42:50):
not not me, not me.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
What you you think? What do you think about it?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I just don't. I don't feel like I need a
drug to find God, like I'm to me, it's not
a drug to me personally. It's by the way, just
so you know, opium, opium heroine comes from a plant too,
so so does cocaine coca leaf like, so don't give
me that. That's just another way that some kind of herb.

(43:17):
So don't give me that. Ship It was like, no,
but it's a plan. Well, don't give me that to
me personal, to each their own, like to find God.
I'm straight in church or temple or mosque. And if
we want to party, I'm down. But let's let's call
it what it is, you know, quite frankly. But what
doctor Joe has done is he's measured what happens in

(43:42):
your brain and in your heart when you meditate. So
people say, I'm doing this, I'm zending out, I feel good,
I'm feeling whatever. What he did that I love, and
I participated in some of these studies to like see
it on myself where basically he puts these things on.
They use like an aura ring that you've seen people
for your heart rate, and they put these things on
your head. And basically what they figured out is just

(44:05):
by looking at someone's brain waves. Okay, they're in the
other room. You don't want what they look you know
nothing about them. You look at the brain waves and
this basic pattern that you're seeing, they can go that's anxiety,
that's anger. Also, that's gratitude, that's joy, that's love, and
even more importantly, teaching you a technique that can make

(44:29):
your heart and your brain moke more coherent and move
you from a place of anger to a place of peace.
And me and my own journey, I was very angry
for most of my life. What I don't entirely know,

(44:51):
and if I gave you all of the reasons that
I thought they were, they wouldn't do justice to really why.
I don't think, but I think a lot of it
is I thought that things should have been given to
me easier. I thought that my parents should have been
billionaires already. I didn't think that I had to shouldn't

(45:11):
have to work this hard or do this or do that.
But mostly from a place of being very entitled. Okay, mostly,
but at this point in my life, I have peace.
But peace wasn't something that came to me. It was
something that I prepared for, using these techniques, using these practices,

(45:38):
and also now being able to measure it. I can
do this thing and put on this heart rate monitor,
and I know how I'm feeling by how it looks.
To where science has now become the language of mysticism,
to where I can look in scientific ways to see
how I can create mystical unknown, experience instant and experience

(46:01):
some very powerful things, some very powerful divine things, and
not letting gratitude or how I feel be left to chance.
I make myself feel grateful. You need to make myself.
I think about the things I'm grateful for. If I'm
in a bad mood, I catch myself and say, motherfucker,
what are you? You live in America, You have your limbs,

(46:22):
you have a beautiful like what shit? Motherfuckers don't have
if there's a billion people they don't have any food.
There's literally five hundred million women that can't go to
school just because they're women. So nah, I'm not doing that.
And cultivating a practice or a technique to stay within
those elevated, those elevated emotions. Where it used to take

(46:44):
me week, two weeks, three weeks of being upset, depressed, angry,
poor me, blah blah blah, now it takes minutes because
I trained myself to stay within that emotional state.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
No, me too, That's what I do. I just reject
any negative thought because we get them. We always get
negative thought, negative energy, even when I wake up and
then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
We are you tripping? Man? Ain't get about this shit? Bro?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, and you well, we have all these this emotional
spectrum for a reason. And always say God doesn't tease.
So why would God give me the ability to feel
all these different emotions if they didn't have a use.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
What's the youth?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I think? Well, everything in this three D world as
I know, happens in two meaning hot, cold, ocean, goes in,
goes out, sun moon, mad, happy, joy, sorrow. So because
that there's two hate, love, hate, love, fear I would

(47:44):
argue because I kind of think hate and love are
kind of brother and sister. That's another discussion. You can't
really hate someone too much if you don't love them,
And now you'd be watching everything I do.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
You ain't a hater, you're a fan. Not But my
point and saying that is you need the sorrow or
that pain to respect and appreciate the joy when it comes,
because if you didn't have the other side of it, it

(48:15):
would just be how it is. It wouldn't be happy
or sad, it would just be what it is. So
you need the other side of it to appreciate and
understand what this one is. You need it because because
darkness is an example, isn't its own thing.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's just the absence of light. Yeah, and same thing
goes with every other experience. So you get angry in
a certain moment. Great, why did I get angry this
and this happened? Okay, Okay, Now that I'm joyous and
I overcame that thing, I can really appreciate all the
ways that it got me to that point.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
So none that you built this huge empire, how do
you deal with people that feel entitled to what you got?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Man?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
That's a challenge.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's a challenge for me still because you know I
and I think it's a challenge for me if I'm
being really honest, because I see that level of immaturity
that I had in myself, you know, I see that
same thing and a lot of you know, a lot
of these youngsters coming up thinking that it's supposed to
happen overnight, it's supposed to happen quickly. And I think

(49:29):
it's mostly because I get frustrated with my old self,
you know, kind of seeing them. But but like I said,
the instant gratification of this generation from social media. Everyone's commenting,
everyone's posting their food every five everyone knows you know
too much, and you talk all this shit, but people
don't get punched in the face enough, like in the
sense of con no, like there's no consequences.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I don't mean that literally, but maybe literally, but.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
In the sense where you say all this shit, but
you're hiding behind you know, some fake account or doing
this and this and this, but you're not doing enough.
There's so much talking and so much imagery and so
much quickness that that goes against the laws of nature,
Like things take time to grow to Maronite.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
There's seasons to things.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
You don't be planting seeds in the middle of the winter,
you're not gonna have any crops. Like one of the
greatest inventions of human or discoveries in human history is seasons,
more so than the discovery of fire, because then we
know we could plant, we know it was spring, it
was summer. And we go through seasons in life as
human beings, like for young men and I can't speak

(50:38):
for women because I've only experienced this one, but from
zero to twenty something, you're just doing whatever the fuck
you're doing, Like you ain't got no plan, you ain't
got no strategy, you don't know that time is limited,
you don't know that your actions actually have consequences. But
between twenty and forty twenty and forty two four three

(51:01):
is when you're gaining experiences, you're gaining knowledge, you're gaining wisdom,
and if you do it right, you reap the benefit,
you get the harvest of that between forty and sixty
So knowing where you are in your particular life and
again you can change that from a mentality, I know

(51:22):
plenty of people that are seventy year olds, young year old,
young you know, I look at my wrestling coach, who's
been a mentor of mind since I was you know,
since I was ten years old. I talked to him,
you know, talked to him yesterday. Now he's sixty five
years old, and boy, he's gunning. You know, he's making moves,
starting new businesses, doing all sorts of stuff. But a

(51:42):
lot of it is your mentality. But you got to
balance reality with realism. I agree, like there's a certain
amount of being realistically unrealistic. You know, you can't be
out here just being delusional, you know, having confidence, but
if you have no competence, then you're an idiot.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Complete How what's what's the what's the balance of being
a good bension man and an asshole? Because they say
to make the money that you done make, you got
to somewhat be an asshole to somebody.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Man.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
That is a very very very difficult question.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
And I can certainly say I've had my own failures
in that department without question, more than I care to admit.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
I think being stern is different than being an asshole.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Right now, meaning to be a very very successful business person,
you have to have boundaries. Okay, So if I'm sitting
here on a meeting and I'm talking to an investor,
and my you know, assistant or my secretary just burst
in here telling me about her day. What do you

(53:00):
I'm talking. I'm talking. I'm talking to my investor, like,
don't you don't just walk in? So me saying not
right now is different than say not right now, you
stupid idiot, get the hell out of my arse, you know.
So there's a balance between creating boundaries as you do
with all the other people in your life. And very soon,

(53:21):
my goal by the end of twenty twenty six is
to not carry a cell.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Phone, need too, I swear to god. I just said,
is bro, oh I don't even need it.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
No, I don't want you don't get to talk to
me because you decided you want to talk to me.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Oh my god, man, Oh my god. I just said
the same shit today.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Hold hold, you're beeping it.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I want to call my son.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But I just know surprised about you because you and
I are always on the same page about it.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I just said, bro, twentyigbody you said at the end
of twenty six, I said, coming in twenty six, I
ain't having no phone.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yep, you don't get to beat me, tweet me when
you feel like talking to me. Yes, and back in
the day, like you look at the you know the
business people. You called the secretary and says, wait, I'll
put you through to mister bank. It's a change, and
you tell me we're not doing that anymore. It's too
distract You know why, because all of big business is

(54:16):
paying for your attention. Yes, that is the algorithm, y attention, TikTok.
This the more that they can get your attention. And
I guard my intention as the most important asset of
my life because what you focus on grows period and

(54:38):
learning how to control your focus and managing your attention
is how you become successful or how you fuck your
life up. Correct And if I'm beeping and but yeah,
look there's conveniences, don't get me wrong. But we all
know I deleted all social media off my phones three
years ago. Bro okay, and I get it. Look, there's

(54:59):
a lot of people pole that has that monetizes their business.
But there's a big difference between being a business person
utilizing your social media and your channels, which God bless
them all, between just scrolling and looking at everybody's food
and looking at cat memes and I looked at my
time a few years ago on Instagram. I depen on

(55:21):
this motherfucker two and a half hours. I'm only awake
for sixteen hours and two of them and I couldn't
even remember what the he I was so damn embarrassed.
I deleted that motherfucker that day.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Bro, I just hired somebody to use do my social
media yesterday. This is no kept I'm going to do
my social media. I ain't gonna have a social You
ain't have no phone. Have a phone, emergency phone, did
now flip? I want it's emergency phone. Flip phone, yeahgency.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And my kids and my kids are gonna have that number.
Major has that number. If you can't find my kids
or Major, I'm I'm talking to you. I'm not talking
to you at all. I have nothing to talk to
you about. There's plenty of ways. If you want some advice,
you can read my book, you can watch this podcast.
But other than that, if you can't find Major in

(56:13):
my kids, don't call me.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I think they push your value up too, though, like
it laws your value when you're so easy to be
exis you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
The reason why Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Well, Michael Jackson, he was so big and it'll never
be because it was hard when you see it.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
They falling out because you don't see him exactly. Well,
people people take for granted what they see all the time.
To your point, yes, if they see it and there's
accessibility to it. And I think it's human nature if
it's all around. Like you know, if you see some
person every day that you know, children of you know,

(56:48):
Bill Gates kids, whatever they see Bill Gates every day,
anything else just my dad, Like I don't want to
talk to my dad or some other software person from
MAT's Bill Gates was the richest man in the world.
You get it's the law familiarity. That's really what it is.
When you get familiar with it. It's like you get
the car your dreams and how many times have we
got some car we love? After about six months all

(57:09):
this piece of shit may after everybody see it, after
everybody know you got it. You don't give a YouTube, No,
you too, You've seen it so many times. And how
many times also that you think of getting a you know,
a red car and you're like, damn, this thing is
so super unique. I put this and this and this,
then everywhere you go you see that same damn red car.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Well, there's some science to it.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I'll give you a name that doesn't even matter, but
it's called the reticular activation system. What that is is
a part of your brain that when you think and
you focus about one thing, a thing over and over again,
you see more of it. That's why rich people keep

(57:54):
getting rich because they see money. They're around money, they're
friends of money. They go out to it. Even if
they went to McDonald's, they're with their boy that has
one hundred million bucks eating McDonald's. Look at Donald Trump,
president of United States, eating a big Mac on Air
Force one. So the point is. The point is what
you focus on, your brain has a mechanism for it

(58:15):
to grow. That's why focusing on your problems only creates
more problems. So focusing on the things that you want
and your goal. I have goals written down. My youngest
daughter had this little pink, little notebook she came home
with after kindergarten and I took it. She had all
her drawings in and I was looking at it made
me smile, and I wrote all my goals inside her

(58:37):
little notebook with her ABC's in it every morning throughout
the day, multiple times in my bag over here at
the hotel. I read them multiple times a day so
that my brain keeps remember where I'm going, not where
I'm at or where I've been. I ain't got no

(58:58):
rear view mirror, by the way, I'm not concerned about
where I've been. I don't look back. I'm only looking
where I'm going and where I am. And my goal
at this point in my life is to be so
wildly present no matter where I am, because where I
am is where I am. That's the place that God

(59:20):
has put me. That's the place that the universe and
people talk about destiny all this other stuff. You know
what destiny means, destination, destination, the place ain't nothing.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yet exactly what do you see that most people know?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Well, eighty percent of communication is nonverbal, okay, And what
I look for are those types of cues first. And
also when I walk into a room, I'm not thinking
about me like I become very outward focused. So a

(01:00:03):
lot of times what I hear is, you know, people
walk in, you're at a social setting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
You know, guys trying to talk to a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
You never you're worrying about how do I look, what's
my you know, whatever you want to worry, how you look, worry,
how you look at your house? First, you know, do
your hair, brush your teeth, whatever the hell you do.
But when you get into that setting, all of your
focus needs to be outward on other people. If you're
sitting there talking to them, listen very actively because people

(01:00:31):
will tell you everything about them, their hopes, their fears,
their aspirations if you listen. But so many people are
stuck in their own head. And when you do that
and you look outward simply, you start to watch which
people are together, which guys looking at which girl, who's
where do they wear? You know, you start to take

(01:00:52):
in all that outward. So when you enter into that
you become very unique because people can tell that you're
actually talking to them, you're actually listening to the things.
You're not just rehearsing something in your head waiting to
say something funny like, you're legitimately outward focused. And when
you do that and you watch them, like for example,
when talking to people up close, like if you're sitting

(01:01:14):
up at a bar and you had a business meeting,
I watch the knees because the knees tell the whole story,
especially with the lady. For those for those gentlemen that
are up there trying to talk to a lady. You're
standing at a bar, and if the lady is sitting
with her knees like this and she's looking talking to you,
she don't give a fuck about you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
So you're like this, she's looking over here, and her
body's over here talking to you, and you're at the bar.
When her knees are in this direction, even if her
head is over here, this tells where her level of
interest is. And for you as well, young men, when
you're talking to a lady, move your ass and put

(01:02:00):
your knees in the direction of the lady that you're
talking with, as an example, And there's a million other
little little cues in that instance that you can that
you can watch. And when you listen close enough, people
will tell you the things about them. They'll start telling
you something about their mom or then you know their
mother's important. They'll tell you that, yeah, that stupid friend

(01:02:22):
of mine, Then you know that friend's a stupid person,
so you can align with them. Ah, yeah, that person
does suck. You can and you can start to make
strategic moves to start to build a relationship around their hopes,
their fears and their aspirations. And if you listen close enough,
you'll start to find things that are common interest and say, oh,
she doesn't like this one dude that screwed them, row,

(01:02:42):
I got this one dude that screwed me over and
then you can talk about that and then you can
bond you like, damn, I like that guy. I like
that person. But the point is to be outward, not inward.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I agree with it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
So have you ever what's your strategy on not misreading people?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Is it patient? Is it? What's the strategy on not
misreading people? Because you know, we meet a person and
thinking we got them figured out in one conversation, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Well, the first is you don't. The first is to
realize that you don't. And people are very complicated and
people change their mind, you know, and that's you know,
there's how many times, you know, do you make a
decision and said I'm definitely doing this, and then the next
day like, I'm definitely not doing that, and and but
the variable change is something else. Pop, I'm definitely going

(01:03:30):
to Austin today. But then all of a sudden you
get a call and there's some big investor that said
that you need to do this and this has to
be done. I'm definitely not going. So giving yourself the permission,
and this is was a big thing for me, giving
myself the permission to change my mind them facts right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
We think, we think once we thought we made up
our mind, we'll commit to that. Like I told these
people like earlier, shouts out to my dog Grace. Yesterday
she sent need something to the event, But today I
changed my mind. I'm not coming, Grace. I'm just not coming.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Because something changed exactly and something changed. So what way
I look at it is what I try to aspire
is to today say in very strong words exactly what
I mean, this is what I mean, and tomorrow say
in very strong words something else that contradicts everything I

(01:04:28):
said the day before.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
What's the difference between companies and delusional man?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Confidence Confidence comes from having a track record, meaning you
have little wins that you can rely on that you
can look back and say, I've done this in any endeavor.
Sports confidence comes because you put in the reps. You

(01:04:56):
look at your resume. I hit these shots over and over,
so when I walk in, I move a little different
because y'all, y'all know I hit them. I know that
I hit them, and so I'm gonna move like I do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
That's confidence, correct to me, Coreat, I agree with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Delusion is when the feelings in the dreams that you
have have not caught up with your competence, meaning what
you aspire to do and the things that you have
in your head. You don't have a track record of

(01:05:38):
that in real life yet. And there's a fine line
between madness and genius. There's a fine line between delusion
and being an idiot. Yeah, so I've been a very
delusional person, putting up vision boards in my wall, dreaming
certain things. Imagine a meeting this person that person, feeling

(01:06:00):
like it was to buy my first jet to whatever.
Very delusional on Southwest Airlines, thinking I'm going to own
my own plane.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
But you some would have to be delusional a little
bit too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
You have to, absolutely, you have to be. But as
I said, delusion only works if you have goals and grind.
So the delusion that you have of me saying today
I'm going to be in the NBA next week, well,

(01:06:32):
there's a big difference between that and saying that I'm
going to make another ten billion dollars in real estate.
It's a decently sized number. It's a lot of growth
kind of from where I am today, But I can
see some type of path to be able to get
to that thing and grind and work and have a

(01:06:55):
process every day that's putting me maybe an inch, maybe
a mile towards that goal, and then over time there
is a basis that the delusion can become reality.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, so I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
You're saying basically, you could dream as big as as
big as you want, as long as you know you're.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Gonna put in that same work every day and you're
gonna have a See. Goals and dreams are are funny
things again, because a dream is something that's in your head. Okay.
A goal is when you take a dream and put
it down on paper, and that's the first step to

(01:07:33):
make it real. Because you wrote it down, you got
a piece of paper to hold it ain't in your
head anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I gotta start writing. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
You have to start writing shit. I write it every
single day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
You write it, and you write it, you write it down,
and again that's the first step to making it. You
can hold it. I can hold that paper now, yeah,
I can, says I want, you know, I want a
hundred billion dollars. Okay, I have one hundred billion dollars
money still printed on it's actually not paper, but let's

(01:08:04):
call it paper.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
You say you say it in the book, because I
read the book. You say you you wrote yourself of
being out of chick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Walked around with Folan.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I did. I did, and I still I have still
to this day, at this moment, when you come to
my house in Austin, I have a room that I
call the Dream Lab, and in there I have vision
boards that were made by professional graphic designer that put
my face on these certain covers and certain financial goals,

(01:08:32):
spiritual goals, suff with my kids, things I want to achieve.
And I go in the lab and I actively dream
and I think about them, and I look at those pictures.
I look at them. I have a wall of some
of them, my mentors, both dead and alive, you know,
from Ralph Waldel Emerson, Mark Twain, to Jeff Bezos to
you know, Mark Zuckerberg, whatever it is, and I have

(01:08:54):
their pictures on my wall and I go and look
at them, and I think about them, I pray for them.
I imagine talking with them. Imagine was Zuckerberg walking on
the beach at our compounds at Hawaii talking about something,
meeting with Elon Musk at you know, the gigafactory which
is next to a big industrial project, you know that
we own, and laughing together, talking together. And I can
see that, and then I get back to work with

(01:09:16):
what's in front of me. And I don't let that
drive my day, but I put it, I think of it.
So you started to play golf recently. I don't play golf,
So I'll give you a golf analogy. To go big,
you got to go small. And what I mean by
that is, if you're going to go up, you know
you're going to hit your first drive. Is that what

(01:09:38):
it's called?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Okay. So you get up there and you look down
the course four hundred yards down in the future. You
glance at where you want to go, but all of
your attention is right there on that ball right in
front of you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Same thing with dreams and goals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Glance outward to the big dream and put every drop
of focus on that move that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
In front of you, and the thing about golf is
the main thing about golf. And when your swing is
keep your head down, keep your keep your head down
on that ball, because if you look, if you can't
really get down there until you focus on this limited ball, right, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Can't ball on a big ass green space. I'm surprised
you find the motherfucking ball. Meaning straight now, I got you.
But I'm saying the course is bigger than the motherfucker
the balls. This big same thing with life. You have
this big goal, this big thing. You want to hit
it down with this little teeny thing that you think
is in front of me. But that's the whole game.

(01:10:42):
And you walk and you hit it again, yep, and
you had to take a mulligain. You get stuck in
the sand, shit hits the tree and it's the same
damn thing. But you keep moving down the fairway exactly.
But big, small and some shots.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
And in golf, your bad shots in up good sometimes
your good shots.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
In up bed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
It's like light.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Keep making, keep making shots.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
You never know what's gonna break my eye of thing.
When I was, you know, when I was starting out
my career. But I always tell everybody, always take the meeting,
Always take the meeting, someone saying, ah, this guy's that
guy he's not or whatever. You never know who that

(01:11:28):
dude knows. You never know who's sitting at that restaurant.
You know only someone overhearing you saying, so I always
took the meeting. If a meeting popped up and it
was legitimate or someone that was something, I always took it.
Always took it. And guess what those bad meetings, like
you said, or this dude whatever that was the junior
associate at the firm introduced me to the baller that

(01:11:49):
wrote me a check for fifty million dollars exactly. But
when you always take the meeting, that means you're putting
in the work, you're respecting what that hustle is, and
you're not letting that dream stay delusion. The delusion becomes
a dream. A dream is written down on paper, it
becomes a goal. And then when you have a goal,

(01:12:11):
you break the goal down into its parts. You chunk
it into all these different little pieces because some big goal,
you find little little pieces of an action that you
can take today. And if you keep doing that over time,
here we go. The results are inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
You always make references about like hip hop? What part
of that did inspired you to be who you are today?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
This mission critical without without without hip hop, I wouldn't
I wouldn't be here without that, without the motivation, without
the rhythm, without the swag, without the dream of these
guys you know, coming from less than nothing like me
looking at and it gave me a lot of things

(01:12:58):
of saying, I'm listening and listening to Wayne, or listen
to Hove, listen to whoever it was over the years
and just like anything you go through, phases of which
artists you know is tied and I can now take
parts in my life and see which artist was speaking
to me in that, in the moment, in that, in
that certain moments, like you know, Wayne has been in

(01:13:22):
every part of my life in a certain way because
I was like this kid's twelve years old wrapping over
the phone to baby, you know he's and now he's
almost forty years old and he's still doing it. Like
so I've been able to grow, you know, with him
throughout the entire thing. But the messaging, the content, the
self reliance that comes into it made me think, in

(01:13:44):
one way, Wow, maybe I could do it. Maybe if
I could do it too and so that inspiration. And
I told Mac you know, one time when he was down,
you know, down in Austin, I was like, I feel
like y'all wrote the soundtrack to my life, you know,
And if it wasn't for that, like I said, it
wouldn't be possible. And there's certain artists that have a

(01:14:04):
special place in my heart. And you know, I'm an
English literature major. I'm a book you know freak, and
some of these artists I put as influential for me
as some of the greatest artists ever.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Whooo, who's your top Who's your favorite man?

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
The favorite best?

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Which one favorite? First favorites?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Is Little Wayne for sure, and again just because you know,
he was born on nine twenty seven, nineteen eighty two.
I was born in nineteen eighty two. Nine twenty seven
are my lucky numbers. And to watch him go and
continue have this relentless output because he's the most prolific
rapper ever in terms of his content. And when I
put him, when I think about the best ever, you know,

(01:14:52):
Eminem comes up on that list very quickly for a
lot of reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
But Wayne has so much work.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
He has thousands of songs we've never even heard just
look at the dedications by Drought three. He was one
of the best rappers of all time. And he just
keeps doing it over and over and to me, the
output over thirty years and continuously reinventing, not to mention
creating some of the biggest artists that Drake and Nikki

(01:15:25):
Drake by alone like shows me the leadership, the evolution,
and the motherfucker's got bars. So I mean, like in
a place that blows my mind, but he absolutely blows
my mind, like to who's read the greatest poetry of
the greatest artists in history? And this man makes me say,

(01:15:45):
go listen to stuff from two thousand and two.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
This motherfucker is a goddamn genius.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Would you say you to go, Yeah, for sure, well
as a rapper and a lyricist and as a rap
oh yeah, it's not even close. And I said, there's
others that have this lyrical prowess and dominance, like an Eminem,
But Eminem only has a few albums. In comparison, Wayne
has a thousand more songs that have lyrical genius. That

(01:16:16):
m chose to raise his daughters. He chose not to
tour as much. He chose to you know, he chose
a life that was fulfilling to him. Wayne chose to
record every single day and create thousands and thousands and
thousands and thousands of thousands of absolute masterpieces you cannot

(01:16:37):
compare to his catalog. So's he's number one because of
the sheer volume of great, non diluted content. Uh Drake
is the most successful rapper of all time overall to me,
rapper rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
So what we're gonna say about Jigell he's the most
successful businessman that raps.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
And I yes, I think that's right. He's not the
most successful rapper, he is the most He's pound for pound,
the best to do it. Holistically, he became he went
from hustler to rapper. Use that as and one is
he's hoves and is everybody's top five. For me personally,
he's in my top two. And sometimes I wonder if

(01:17:23):
he's not too, if you know what I mean. Hove
used rap as the way like you know he and
he explains it. He explains it very very clearly. I
can make forty off a brick, but one rme could
beat that, you know. He explains that this was the
the surest way of the lowest risk for me to
get out of the position I was in, get enough

(01:17:45):
money and then an open the market up one million,
two million, three. This is from the blueprint two thousand
and one. He laid out what he was going to do,
and he did exactly that. He created some of the
biggest artists in the world as well. Then he stepped
over and became the CEO. He cut his partner out,
bought Rockefeller Record. Then now he's he did what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
I remember you telling me who was in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Everything that you're doing was already mapped out, like you
know whatere. You know where you was gonna be at
five years ago, you know what you're gonna be, and
you know what you're gonna be at in the next
five year. That just kind of made me be like, damn, Bank,
I get on your shit, cause I don't know what
a fun I know where I want to be at,
but I don't have it wrote down. Well'm gonna be
like you're saying, like I know what I'm gonna make

(01:18:31):
this month, next month.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I know, like you got your ship mapped out, I
have it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Well, you know, if you tell Apple maps, I just
want to go eat where is it gonna take you
gotta talk the eyddressing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
And that's how I look at it, very simple. And
by the way, you leave grace just like you're in
Apple Maps. Sometimes it takes you some weird ass way
through some backwoods or this or that, but you end
up with that location. And that's the formula. Write down
where you're going, where you're going, and then let grace
and guidance take you off those pass off the beaten path.

(01:19:12):
You stopped at a red light, you hit traffic. So
when I know where I'm going, that's what I mean.
I know where I'm going, and I know why I'm
going there. Like what I always think is I know
what I want and why I want it. Okay, how
is none of my fucking business?

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Back to the coaching man. When you hear the word
grand what artists come to your hea.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
WHOA, I mean Hove for sure, you know we covered that,
but there's a couple artists for me personally, like Nipsy
was very very instrumental because not only did he speak
about higher level things like like NAS, like explain poetics

(01:19:57):
like in the brain that NAS has like shout out
to NAS godsun streets, disciple, legend, beyond words. Nipsy had
a way of speaking spiritual things but being a cold hustler,
like just having a way of marrying them. So it
was a very like visceral thing where there's like maybe

(01:20:18):
ten or so Nipsy songs, but I listened them two
hundred times in a row. But for me without grand hustle,
without tip during that tip shout out tip, I mean
for me in my life, tipin' Jeezy. Because of also
where I was, like meaning when those albums were coming out,

(01:20:38):
like after I'm Serious and the King came out, I
was in law school working on the construction site at
five o'clock in the morning and then walking getting into
law school and then studying till three o'clock in the morning.
So and when to hear what he was doing, where
he was coming from the stuff he was faced and
having seven different felonies, facing time in jail and still

(01:21:01):
showing up and doing the work. I kept thinking of myself,
if he can, if he can do that, and he
can overcome those odds for me, I could too, and
the same the same for Jeezy because hearing this story
of transitioning from you know, being a drug dealer and
then having these anthems like the hustler's ambition amazing put

(01:21:23):
on these songs like were what kept me getting to
put on for my own goddamn city.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
You putting on for Austin Hey, who inspired you most?
The business men who stayed, who started broke of the
artist who stayed independent?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Well, I think the artist, because I don't I think
of myself as an artist. You know, my career is
about taking things that haven't happened and producing them into reality.
And that's buildings, going from a blueprint, taking a field
and turning it into a building, Taking this idea of
you know, wanting to be an attorney and making that happen.

(01:22:02):
So my career is about bringing turning dreams to goals
and making them reality. That's what I do. And my
and the sky is my canvas. That's why I put
the biggest buildings in the world in them. And and ultimately,
so when I see an artist that has that independence,
they're valuing freedom over quickness, and there's something that I

(01:22:27):
admire about that profoundly. And right now, you know, my
favorite rapper right now and for many many years.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Is Russ Russ.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I've been listening to Russ since, you know, Manifest came out.
The first concert I ever took my kids to was
a Rust concert and and you know, they were mad
he didn't play small talk. They're mad he didn't do
the Utah freestyle. And some of those meeting they knew
his work so well. And for him to be offered
fifty million dollars for a catalog and say no, is

(01:23:01):
an unbelievable feat. And this man, this man is mixing, mastering, engineering, producing.
You know, he says something kind of funny, is like
he said, my accountant said, there's no return like a
Russ song. And I think about that is all he
needs is electricity. This dude's making the beats and he's
wrapping on top of them and he's putting them out himself.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
I know what that's like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Like, I know for myself what that means to start
your own business, to raise all the money, to find
all the deals, to do the financing, and I know
what the level of resilience it takes to do that.
And so for me watching him, the album Santiago, he
put out. Santiago's the main character of a book called
The Alchemists.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Written by a man named Paulo Coelo. It's an absolute genius.
Paulo Coello retweeted Santiago and to me, that was a
defining moment where I said, God damn like you took
this character, you took this literary thing, brought it into
relevant culture, and the author himself posted it. It's a

(01:24:07):
very very very moving moment. And that motherfucker has bars.
He is a dangerous motherfucker, but he's also deep, he
can sing, he can rap, and there's only a few
people that are able to have that many characteristics. So
shout out to Russ keep going. I'm a fan, My
kids are fans.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Milke, y'all. Look, let me ask you a question. Who
in hip hop do you think Ashley moved like a CEO?
And not just Top.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Fifty for sure?

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
To me, Curtis Jackson is one of the baddest motherfuckers period.
I agree for so many different reasons. First of all,
when fifty came through, nobody's first album, did that not
that level of change? When in the Club came and

(01:25:02):
you first heard that, go show you that first, We're like,
this is the new shit. I don't know what this is,
but god fucking damn, he's hanging from upside down doing whatever,
and Dre and em are there in the lab creating
this thing. And boy, that motherfucker slapped like in a
way that was I was in college and it was insane.

(01:25:24):
And then for him to reinvent himself and become an act.
You know how hard it is to do TV and film.
It is one of the hardest damn industries ever. Every Tom,
Dick and Larry thinks they can make a movie or
make a show. This dude went from doing rap and
staying loyal By the way, do you see the way

(01:25:44):
he stands with Eminem When Eminem is around, Fifty stands
behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
What when he's not around too, in the way that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Their relationship, his loyalty, his you know, respect and admiration
and not comp Fifty has been fit fiftcents day one.
He's all over you now and you see him, you know,
busting on Paul for busting that's fifty is going to
speak his mind. He is wildly authentic and he, most
importantly as a CEO, moved into one of the most difficult,

(01:26:15):
hardest industries on earth in film and television and crushed
it and it's still crushing it and is still moving
and has continued to push the envelope, reinvent himself, but
not lose the authenticity of fifty cent in the process.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
No, he did it his way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
He did it his way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
He did it his way. He didn't he didn't, he
didn't cross over to him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
He may have cross me as a CEO and as
the person that has that insatiable hunger. I'm picking fifty
over Hove even right now in that sense, just because
he's being so and Hove is has reached a level
where he's he's sitting in the shadows making billion dollar
moves for the NFL. You know, his wife's Beyonce. Clearly

(01:27:02):
he brags a little bit different when your wife's Beyonce,
and so, so I don't I know that he's doing
things at a profound, astronomical, you know level in the
way that he is elevated. And I respect that, and
I admire that fifty still has in my mind, he's
still in the spotlight, relevant in pop culture and making

(01:27:24):
industrious executive moves that we can also see and cheer for.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
And I selfishly like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I know, you make a lot of moves with
like artists and help them, you know, build a bill.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Outside of the money, but if you if you could
choose one rapper that you could sit down with and
help flip their money and build essays, who would it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Be NBA Young Boy? Because and what's funny about that
answer is I don't really listen to his music as much,
but he's the voice of his generation and there's a
few things about him that I admire. And you put
me on a lot of that. You know, you explained

(01:28:07):
a lot of extra details about that to me over
the over the years of the things he were doing.
But he just did a tour, okay rap tour, doing
three four nights in the same city. Taylor Swift doesn't
even do that many nights in one city and did
seventy million as in concerts. Seventy million. Independent artists like

(01:28:31):
that do five if they're lucky. And you see his fans.
He has raving fans. Kids that don't have two dollars
are saving up their money to go to NBA Young
Boy shows. He's prolific. He puts out music like a
I mean, over and over and over. He doesn't his
way to your point. And what I really also respect

(01:28:54):
is I got to see him more. And I don't know,
I don't know him personally, but you know he has
been around a lot, like he's smart enough to put
an og that knows this game around keeps. I don't
know the relationship or whatever, but I see Baby a
lot there, and I see Baby talking about him, and

(01:29:15):
I see the prodigies of this music that Baby has
been affiliated with arguably create, created whatever, and so I
know that means he has a head on his shoulder.
And then I see Floyd Mayweather on the other side,
which I love Floyd Mayweather. I mean, Floyd Weather is
by far my favorite boxer of all time, hands down,
the best of the best, from craft, to discipline and

(01:29:38):
to just fucking winning. Floyd hasn't lost since he was
like twelve, Like he doesn't lose. He made two hundred
million dollars in one fight. That's within a matter of minutes.
He made nobody does you know insanity? Yet you see
the way that he didn't have of the right financial

(01:30:02):
mentors that understand the money business, the right financial and
for whatever reason, you know he's the best in the world.
It's something. It's like Michael Jordan playing for the White Sox.
I get it, like you're you know, you're the best
in the world in something. You think you're gonna do
something else. You trust other people. But I would love
to have seen Floyd have a phenomenal, you know, financial

(01:30:23):
advisor to put his money in index funds and this
and that and like at least keep the base of
it so a lot of that money came, a lot
that money went. And I'd love to see a kid
like NBA young boy have a great financial And I'm
not a financial advisor, you know, I'm a I'm you know,
a private equity, real estate investment banker basically. But I'd

(01:30:44):
love to see him have be surrounded by some great accountants,
some great financial advisors and structure him to be able
to grow, to turn that money into wealth, which is
not the same thing, because wealth makes money for you
when you ain't doing shit atymore more and wraps a
young man's game. And you might be on top of it,
but at one point somebody else comes up and it's

(01:31:06):
gonna be their time. Drake Drake, hands down, not even comparable.
It's embarrassing. That's even they're even compared Family Matters or
Push Ups. This boy that was I think if you
listen to push ups, Okay, the way that Drake articulates

(01:31:27):
this beef is so masterful. And then family Matters just
put the nail in the coffin like meaning. I mean,
it's like Ether is an example, the Bars. I don't
care who you are the bars on Ether other than
hit them up as the greatest dis song ever. Even

(01:31:47):
Covid at this point has to realize lyrically, you got
me like you got me. It's too much left chest
face gone. I mean things that are in Drake did
that in politics, social media and a bunch of bullshit
made it look like and not to mention, you get
twenty people try to go against him at the same
time and he still bodied everybody. And again I don't

(01:32:11):
like Drake's not my friend like that. I don't know
him like that. But as a student of this game,
a student of literature, a student of lyrics, and you
know I'm a hip hop encyclopedia, Bank.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Would but I ain't gonna say he boyed him Ben.
He ain't really body.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Then I think that you were I love you and
I and I and I disrespectfully disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
I can't say him it was it was a tie.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
There ain't no tie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
It was a time bro.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I will lay down for you right here. We can
put the lyrics up on a screen and we can
go bar for bar, line for line on each of them.
And I would bet you, gentlemen's bet that on the
other side of it, Drake is more wins bar for bar.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Was it was?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
It? Was it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
The height?

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Was it the height? Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Not like us? Not like us?

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
No? He dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
The album was weak. I don't care what anybody said.
The ship was weak. It was weak.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
And I would love to have this actual world series.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Bring me, bring me any RiPP hip hop scholar, Okay,
and you get a screen up there and you put
we'll put those songs line by line, the words on
a screen next to each other, and we will compare
line for line, word for word on all of them.
And I'll have to take a gentleman's bet with you
that Drake comes out the undisputed winner of that discussion.

(01:33:39):
My opinion, and I'm a lawyer. I advocate for the
things that I advocate, But in this particular instance, he
cooked him. I disagree, we.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Gotta, we gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
He disrespectfully disagreed, disrespectfully disagree. But that's to Drake.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Yeah, that comes from you and Drake, the abusion together
in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Well, Drake and I, I read it in the book.
You did read it in the book. I don't think
he doesn't know that story. You could tell him that
story one day. But basically I wonder if he would
actually remember this story because I was I was a
young lawyer, and this is in the book. You're right,
I was a young lawyer in Dallas and the NBA

(01:34:19):
All Star Game that year. I think I want to
say it's twenty ten, two thousand and nine or twenty ten.
NBA All Star was in Dallas, Yeah, okay, And I
was practicing criminal defense law and my boss at the
time is one of the most famous trial attorneys in

(01:34:40):
Texas history still is my uncle John, as I call it,
more's a black stetson, you know, been a BRIONI suit
and ten thousand dollars alligator boots, and boy, he's done
more criminal. He represented the war as cartel as the defense.
He's the one different Vietnam war vet, you know, veterans
day to day but Uncle John doesn't watch sports, doesn't really,

(01:35:04):
you know, he has he's a different cat. You know,
he's on his horses, he's shooting guns. Anyways, So I'm
in my little office. I have the little phone here,
and I'm doing my work. And we had just done
a criminal defense case for this guy that was arrested
for two kilos of coke. And I remember John saying
to me, well, we got to walk him. I was like,

(01:35:26):
why we can get a plea here. It's like, well,
he's an illegal immigrant, so if we don't walk him,
he ain't going home. And we got a not guilty verdict.
By the way, this is the first time I got
to question witnesses. And so I'm sitting high in my
chair thinking, damn, we just this is pretty cool. And
I hear the aria, Can you come up to my
office for a second, right, So I go up to

(01:35:49):
his office in this old beautiful building Nist Dallas, and
he's sitting behind his desk with his boots up on
the on his desk, and there's these two huge black
dudes standing in front of this thing. And I'm looking
at my uncle John and I'm looking at them, and
all of a sudden, one of the guys turns around

(01:36:09):
and looks at me and goes, do you know who Lebron?
James is like what, I look at my uncle John
and he has no idea who Lebron is. And you know,
this was fifteen years ago. Sixteen years ago, he was
still Lebron. But and I'm so confused. I'm looking at

(01:36:31):
them looking at him. What like he's asking Kutcher here, like,
am I getting polic Yeah? I know, yes, good. Well
we're doing this party and Lebron is doing an appearance
after the game, after party kind of thing, and you know,

(01:36:52):
we have this rapper performing, you know, also and whatever.
But we just went to the club and that dude
lost his liquor license, so we're gonna sue him. I
was like, okay, Like he's like, I was like, so
what He's like, we want to hire you know, John
to sue him. It's like sue them? Like what if

(01:37:14):
you would?

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
You want to still do the party?

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
They're like, yeah, of course, but everything's sold out, Like
the whole place is sold out.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
We're not gonna you know whatever. I was like, well,
it's my city, you know, not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I think I know a couple of people here or there,
not really, but I know a couple of club owners.
I was thinking. I was like, but what if we
could find another venue? And everyone softened up. He's like, well,
that would be amazing. He's like, we paid him, however,
one hundred fifty thousand dollars whatever the number was, and
they were paying this rapper that I'd never heard of,
like five thousand bucks, you know, to perform or something.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
I don't really know his name.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
I was like, okay, so in theory, if we find
a place you would want to do the parties. Yeah,
So I picked up the phone, made some phone calls,
and one of my buddies owned this place called AMPM
Lounge whatever doesn't matter, and he had some other thing
coming maybe Jenny Mcca Arthy was, you know, showing up
or whoever it was. And I was like, would you
like God to show up at jok Lebron to show

(01:38:07):
up after the thing? Like yeah, Like, so we turned
some things around, switch the venue, and as we're going
like hey you should come, they were so happy, so
so happy, cool cool cool dudes, and so me and
Major and a couple of boys were like, fuck, we
can go to a party.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Lebron's at Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
So I finally was like, hey, who you said some
rappers performing? I was like, we're hip hop fiends. Like
he was like, oh, it's this dude from Canada. I
was like Canada. I was like, I didn't think people
could wrap in Canada, people people rapping can the mean
streets of Canada. Like oh okay. It's like no, no,

(01:38:49):
no, no no, this dude like Wayne fucks with this dude.
Oh and he he knows the dudes that rapple. I
know Jay Prince and those guys. And I'm from Texas,
like Wayne and j Prince. Who is this guy? Like
what does like? His name's Drake? They can okay. It
was like, so he's like, make sure when you go
you give him the five thousand dollars to buy it

(01:39:13):
down for Drake, five thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Dollars first, first, first, first for.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
And I didn't. I'd never heard of him, neither a
major and I had it either. And I'm thinking he's
there with Lebron and you could see their boys like
they were you know, now who knows what, But then
you know there and I'm thinking, Damn, Lebron's here j
print Wayne like like what am I getting? Like?

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
Who am I like?

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
And I remember going up and giving him the five
thousand bucks, being real annoyed, thinking I don't know who
this is, this guy Canadian rapper, and he's like, yeah,
he's on some he was on some TV show on
you know, de Grassi or something. I have no idea
what they're talking about. And lo and behold, I gave
Drake five thousand bucks and gave Lebron the buck fifty

(01:39:54):
and next I started hearing them all this thing. It's
in motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
That was that, dude. That's why you're probably being biased, though.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
I am not being biased.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I am baby. You're entitled to your own opinion, not
your own fact.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
You said you can break this ship now the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
I would be delighted. I need major though, I need major,
because he without major, nobody knows no major.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
He'd be sending me all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Still nobody ever does. Him and Matt go back and
forth on this too. He shows him like some Wayne
song from like nineteen ninety eight or something. Mac is
like as a versau and a major as a it
is truly honest to God, a rap like a connoiseur, aficionado,
pick whatever you were. And Major's got, you know, an

(01:40:43):
incredible mind. Also, you know, he's the top of our
class of high school, went to University of Texas. He's
he's a very very very intelligent guy. Said his memory
is like a freaking elephant. So he'll be you know,
he knows. So if Major is there with me to
I'm happy to advocate for it and talk, but I
need Major to help me do the research of the

(01:41:04):
intricacies of all the lines and all the implications and
what they all relate to. But I'm happy to go
side by side of that anytime you want to. In fact,
Rastagar would be happy to sponsor that endeavor. What to
do a versus between Drake and Kendrick are breaking down
the lines of how much better Drake destroys him? Just
putting it out? You need to have them there, No,

(01:41:24):
let's just break it. Absolutely not. I'm not gonna bother them.
Matter busy, at least Drake's busy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
So I don't know that you being biased. Bros. You
take this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Personally, Take the truth personally. You can't handle the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Hey to ask you, so to ask you something though
you say you're a Major been for instance, like seventh
graventh grade. Yeah, okay, how did y'all keep that relationship
so tight?

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Well, I give Major all that credit. Man like, this
man is not only absolutely brilliant, but he's the most
loyal person ever. And he has a demeanor, you know,
he has a calmness about him. Sure as you know,
he loves you. Obviously I'll become good friends too, and
he respects you so much. I have been like a

(01:42:18):
like an explosion, you know, and especially the younger ari
that dude was. You know, I'm very grateful that that
dude got me here because that was a very bad motherfucker.
And Major had a way of calming that, you know.
And he started to make money before I did because
I went you know, I was in college and I

(01:42:40):
always joke Major paid for the first part of our
lives and I'll pay for the second part of our
lives kind of thing. So, I mean, he paid for
my prep prep class to take the bar exam. You know,
he I lived with him, you know while I was studying,
paid for any time we were out to eat, anything
like that. So he started to work after college for
my wrestling coach that I told told you about who

(01:43:01):
does like you call Venetian plaster. So like you know,
when you look at a wall and you know, in
like some real fancy building, it looks like marble. Yeah,
like his father did that for the Rockefellers, for the Fords,
and he took that craft from Italy and has done
it for some of the biggest people on earth now,
I mean big CEOs, athletes, you know, you name it.

(01:43:21):
And so Major he went to work. Major went to
work for him to basically run that operation, running jobs,
doing paint and just helping do the operations around. And
so we started to make some money. At like twenty
two twenty three, I was still you know, driving my
little Ford Focus and working on the construction sites and
trying to find out where my you know, next meal is.

(01:43:41):
I remember one time I didn't want to tell my
dad or Major. I'd got like one of my first apartments. Yeah,
and I didn't have any furniture. And mind you, I'm
a grown ass man. I was already out of law
school and I got this place, this little condo, and
Major lived you know, downtown on a nice place whatever.

(01:44:03):
And at one point He's like, I'm gonna come buy
your house or something. I was like, no, no, no, I'll
come outside, and it kept happening. And he walked in
and I had no furniture and I was sleeping on
the floor. Literally, I'd taken a bunch of towels and
laid them on the floor and whatever. And the look
on his face was a Major is a calm dude.

(01:44:23):
It's like, what the why didn't you? What the fuck
is this? Like we're leaving, you know, And I basically
slept on his couch for another year. But my point
in telling you all that is when you are building
a team, you know, and Major's my partner, you know,
in life business, you know, the whole thing is the

(01:44:44):
chief of staff or company. His demeanor helped balance the
way that I operated. So no matter what I would do,
how I would fail, I would say something, I would
talk out a term. He had this grace about him
that was like I think of it like sandpaper on
a sculpture. You know. He would just stand it over.
I'd say something and they'd be all pissed off. And

(01:45:05):
Major could do that well, you know, I really mean
it like that. You know. It was just kind of
you know, rest in peace, but yeah, and so over time,
that's that's been.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
Very I've been very, very lucky and fortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Because you would have if.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
I'd still be talking now. And I like this guy
a lot better. I like the man I'm becoming. But no, no, no,
it takes a it takes a team, and you know,
and you know that all goes up to him and
and he and he shields me a lot from things
that he knows that would upset me too, you know,
like he knows me well enough to know where you
need to decide what this is like and all this

(01:45:47):
even and he'll tell him don't don't not tell him,
do not tell him. And he actually has to tell
you the level of trust. And I don't know anybody
on earth that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
That has this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
He has a clone of my phone, so meaning he
has my actual phone, my emails, my bank account, my
text messages. So any text messially I get, so major
gets them too. He doesn't I'm sure you know he's
not reading through all my peat but but he has
my Yeah, and so there's times of a meeting he
responds and people think it's me. It ain't me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
It's like this morning he was in the meeting when
I hit that. Yeah, yeah, of course speaker than me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Yeah, but that's that's a huge blessing if you get
lucky enough in life to have somebody like, you know,
like your.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Day man, I think he's still with me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
I'm still watching you. And look at this phase of
your life that you're going into.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
No, bro, he kept me coming like everything. He's your name, bro,
Like you got.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
An angel watching you now. So this next phase of
all the stuff we're cooking up, maybe your boys up
there moving mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Let me ask you something, how many of your friends
do you get money with? They get money with you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Well, like that we're from before that are doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Now, just period, just friends.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Well, my business in a lot of ways has become
the closest thing to me that the people that can
add a lot of value to the stuff that we're doing.
They work somehow and in the business or Antler, that
is one of my you know, dear friends in childhood.
He's one of the biggest brokers in Dallas. And so
he's selling one of our condo buildings for us. But

(01:47:22):
other than a few little one offs, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
And I've tried before and it doesn't work, you know,
I've tried to work with a lot of different people, friends, family,
and I find that that wasn't a very smart decision.
I should have hired people that are experts in their
field and what they do in that position. Because people say,

(01:47:48):
you know, you know your your work, you know your
business employees or your family. They're not your family. You
can you can't fire your family.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
She you don't suppose, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
You can, but they stick stick around like meaning you
still have to see them yourself. Talk to the IMF.
You just have a regular employee or work or you
fire me, never see them again. My point is there's
it has two It's been very beneficial in some ways,
don't get me wrong, but I think the risk potential
of it creating resentment, creating problems, bringing other issues into

(01:48:24):
it that aren't strictly about the business is not worth
the risk over time. So the perfect look, if you
get it and you find the right family member in something,
then it's magic. But I think that's more winning the
lottery than the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Yeah, I can't. I can't work with my family. I
can't work with family. I just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
It's too hard because they gonna take everything personal and
when it's just business like safe instance, if you be
like if you upset about something that they did that
hurt your business, they'll take that personal.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
That that's right, you know what I'm saying. So you
got to separate that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
And for me, there ain't nothing more personal on the
business for me because my name's on the door. For you,
your name's on the door. And this is my my work,
as I said, is my worship, my work, this is
my life. It's not just my business. It's an extension
of me. And I don't think that's the case for
every person. In some way. They have their work, they
have their job, there's this there's a there's a wall

(01:49:19):
between you go to work and then you come home
and and that's great. But for me personally, it's become
my life and so I have to be much more careful.
And I fucked that up along the way more times
than I care to admit. Me too.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Let me ask you one more thankful we get out
of here, what what what what's next for you personally?
Like what's next? Like we know you're going to continue
to building the empire bigg as it can go, but
what's next for you personally? Like what's some things you
want to do? The Gaine done.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Yet, it's time for me to start moving into the
next phase of my career, which is around technology, and
that means starting, for example, on several of our developments.
We're starting to three D print houses and there's a

(01:50:09):
lot of reasons for that. But real estate for me
was about foundation because everything is real estate. This podcast
we're shooting is in a building. You know, rockets have
to take off from land, your car drives on a road.
It's all real estate. So that was a lot of
what real estate meant to me early was the foundational
piece that no matter what I was going to do
in life, it needed to be somewhere. So if we're

(01:50:30):
going to start a technology company, they need an office, right, Well,
go in one of my buildings. You know, you want
to do the cloud or the data center that lives
the cloud lives an erastic our building. And so but
this is the point now where I start evolving my
focus into the technology and into the innovation side of
changing the archaic ways that real estate is run. The

(01:50:51):
way we build a single family house in America hasn't
changed for fifty years. So now starting to think we
can three D print this house, and then we can
start moving into robotics of how the robotics are going
to take the AI and then build the house, and
we can then build it. Instead of nine months to
build a house, we can do it in six weeks.
We can start lowering the pricing. Then it can start

(01:51:12):
to help me work a little bit more on my
purpose in this world, which is to increase the standard
of living for how people live and work. That's how
I see the world. And so if we take all
the people that are unhoused all over the world, and
if we can three D print houses and places all
over the world at a cost of one twentieth of
what it takes to build a house, I can start

(01:51:35):
working on some of the humanitarian efforts that I have
in my longer scope, along with using the power of
AI and technology and robotics to hit scale and start
to hit scope at an exponential level beyond anything I
personally ever could have done or anything I could have imagined.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
What would it take for you to invest in something
that you know nothing about, but, like you said, if
you like the person to invest them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
If they're the best player in the world, what that
is then I'm interested in the world and whatever you said.
If I don't know them, I'm not c business. If
I don't understand the business, I need to know that
person is an absolute expert in that business. If I
don't know the business, you know, and then then I

(01:52:19):
I bucket my time. Where I say, if there's something
that I'm very interested in and I'm dabbling, that gets a.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Certain amount of my money and a certain amount.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Of my time. If it's going to be something I
know nothing about, and I have like if Sam Altman
CEO of you know whatever chat GPT open Ai, says hey,
I want to start a new AI company. I don't
know that man from Adam, I'll give.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Him money, yeah, because you know he knows what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
I know he knows what he's doing. So I don't.
Steve Jobs used to say, you know, don't hire smart
people to tell them what to do. Hire smart people
to tell you what to do. And so I have
a sliding scale around what's my own interest of something.
But if I don't know them, I don't really like that,
I don't whatever, but I know they're the best player
in the world and that one vert goal, then it's

(01:53:01):
worth my time. But at this point I want to
spend time on things that I want to give attention to,
and I only have a certain amount of attention. So
media entertainment is my personal thing that once all the
real estate, all these other things are running over the
next whatever the timelines one year, two years, five years,
ten years, I only got a timeline. There's a way

(01:53:23):
to touch people that only media entertainment can do, unlike
any other thing in the world. And I think there's
now a desperate need to have high impact content to
bring to people all over the world. And this is
a lot of things you and I have talked about
extensively that I am personally interested in working on, growing
with and collaborating on. But if it's something that I

(01:53:45):
know nothing about or don't have much interest in, but
I know it's a great business. They need to be
the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
For me. I've been turning them up over the Shark Tank.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
I'm telling you them to get out, and I got
a whole portfolio of something.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
I'm with you. I'm with you whatever you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
I'm interested, Noah, for sure, that's dope, bro. I really
appreciate you, Bruh. Like I said, man, just mean you bro.
It just helped me change my mindset on a lot
of shit. I'm already practicing on being a billionaire.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
That's my every day what I'm gonna do as a
billionail and doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Now, and now it's going to be written down on
a piece of paper and you're going to carry that
in your pocket like I did the billion dollar check,
and actually that I still do, by the way, because
I'm still looking for the billion in cash in my
checking account, net worth, future valuations and the way you
can financially engineer money and things like that is different
than having one billion dollars after paying taxes in your

(01:54:39):
checking account.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
So until that, I'm still keeping the check in my pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
So okay, So so yeah, break that down. You saying
you worth Everything you do and done is worth that, right?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Well, look I put it this way, like the true
answer is I don't keep track of it like that.
I'm a processed guy. And so building a billion dollar
platform and building all the stuff that we own on
the hundreds of acres, yes it is worth billions and
billions of dollars, and but there's a lot of woods

(01:55:11):
to chop between now and to get.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
To that place. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
But for me, the platform and what can be built
from this is a trillion dollar platform. Yeah, and that
is where my focus is as a forty three year
old CEO, is building platform, not counting cash.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
I remember I sent you some shit, right, and I
was like, this is huge, bro. You know anybody at netflick,
these folk doing its like just hit me with two words.
Did it make me feel so small? You're like, think bigger?

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
I'm like, brodie, folks, somebody they getting away millions. You're
telling I think bigger than that. I beg your shit.
I had to reevaluate my.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Yeah, but that's why. That's why you have friends, that's
why you have partners. That there's a lot of things
that you've done the same for me, and like just
just the simple thing of the way you taught me
about NBA young boy and the way that I kind
of knew like has been very enlightening, you know for
me just rolling up to you know, to tips office
the other day and talking with him about all the

(01:56:14):
stuff that we're talking about. Like that's what we do
for the people. It's a symbiotic relationship. You bring those
things into each other's reality. But you don't quantify which
is worth more or less. Not With the people you love,
you bring to the table what you got in the thing,
and together you get to have a feast at the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
End facts Because they Netflick is trying to buy iHeart.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
I said you yeah you did, Like you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
Know anybody at Netflick, Man, we need to God now
I need to get over there. And man, they say, yeah,
I do it. They bigger brom.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Trying to get the first big deal EO ten twenty
Me like, Man, we gonna virac. I really appreciate you, Bro.
I know your time is very valuable. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I appreciate you too.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
Come back down to Austin, Man, kick it with you sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
Just the beginning, we're just getting warmed up.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
No, we're just getting started. You gotta come back, man.
I think the people gonna really enjoy this conversation. I'm
looking at everybody in the room. They enjoying it. I
enjoyed it all the.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Time we talked. I learned a lot from you, bro,
and I really appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:57:15):
God bussy Bro, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
What a book at when we get the book?

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
The book is on Amazon. The gift of failure. The
first line of the book is I hope you fail.
I hope you fail a lot and uh some people
that make them feel kind of a way. But I
mean that from the depth of my heart, because failing
is how you learn how to win. And at this
point in my life, I think the only thing I've
got pretty damn good out is learning how to fail
properly too.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
I done gave a way out the books you gave me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
I need to give you a bunch more.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Yeah I need them.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Yeah, Amazon, whatever, But if you want one, if you
reach out to you, you post something in a comment,
or you reach out to us, We'll send you one
on the house exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Now, make sure I go lights to strike what you
know Instagram, none that you raise off your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
I am not personally, but our team is. You know,
the team has been doing a bunch of stuff, taking
a bunch of things, is putting out there doing a
great job at Rastagar my last name at Rastagar capital. No,
there's definitely a presence out there that the team's doing
a phenomenal job of pushing great stuff out. But they
send me major sends me to stuff that matters. When
there's a great message that comes in a beautiful email

(01:58:16):
about the book or something. I definitely take some time
every week to actively respond to the things come in
because they're very meaningful for me. So though it's not
on my phone and I'm not scrolling through it, I
have my gatekeeper that lets me know when the important
things come. So definitely reach out, definitely say some words,
and it definitely means a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Why y'all never made a prisons in Atlanta? Not yet?
First time coming to Atlanto, right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
I'm sitting here, aren't it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Proximity is power. I got some of the people here
that the now the keys to the city. Like I said,
I can't walk into someone else's city without knowing the people.
Then now that I do, now the possibility, it's become
much more interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
We need it here, man, y'all may oh ya what
we got coming twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Broke the cup?

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Yeah, broke cup coming to the limb.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
We'll be ready.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Here. I'm going with you everywhere. I'm not going to
get it anywhere without you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Come on whatever you on on, mo man, make sure
y'all gonna like to strive, come into the Big Fat Network.
Shout Out the Major shouts out to everything all right
you my brother for life, BRO, appreciate so much.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
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