Walking In Your Purpose with Bossman Brewster

Big Bank sits down with Keidrain Brewster known as Bossman Brewster to discuss  growing up in Dallas, Texas, the importance of mentorship, the impact of incarceration on their lives, the challenges of chasing success, the power of positive affirmation, belief, forgiveness, personal growth and more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
He gets no better than this.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You are now in June to respect us with big
bang bang.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's get straight to it.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You can wish and pray six thousand times a day,
but if your thoughts, actions, and your character don't measure up,
it'll never add up. That man said, welcome to perspective
with bank. I got my partner, a real one with
me today. Man came all the way up, but it's
he from he universal worldwide, so I don't know where

(00:33):
he just came from, originated out of Dallas, Texas. My man,
boss Man, Bruster Brow what's something my brother? How you feeling,
bro Man, I'm alive and I'm free, so I'm wonderful.
Nah them facts. Hey, I ain't gonna do no whole introduction.
I want you to introduce yourself. Let these people know
who you is and how you coming, bro Man, I'm
boss Man Brewster, Kedri and Brewster. I'm out of Dallas, Texas,

(00:58):
and uh I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
With big Reform, Big Reform.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Big reform started what started the reform movement, the Big
Reform movement? Man, you know Pak saying he saw a
weakness in the in the game and then he sold it.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's what Park said, so weakness in the game, and
he sold it.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That's what he said. What he meant by that, Uh,
he peeped something. He peeped the area that others hadn't saw. Oh,
he peeped the area that others hadn't sold. And that's
what the big reform movement is about. I've peaped the
area that others haven't saw, and that area is we
need individuals with lived experience, such as ourselves, to be

(01:39):
able to get the home as the game the way
it's supposed to be gained, the way it was supposed
to be gave, rather for sure, what you think make
the make the youngins reluctant to receive the game from
certain people. H they don't believe you, they don't respect you.
It's hard for an individual to listen to someone that

(01:59):
they don't really facts.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, impossible. Really, when there's no respect, your words become meaningless.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now, how you feel when you see like, damn, these
folks really respect me and they listening to me.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
How you feel? Like? How it make you feel?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh, I ain't gonna say it necessarily make me feel
no way. What they do is open my eyes to
how our communities like this Yeah, that's what. It don't
make me feel no kind of way, as much as
it opened my eyes to how man the.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Community need this.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
They need they need big bank, They need perspective with bank.
They need to be able to see a successful black
man that's older than them, that doesn't been done that
they can get him some game that can prevent them
from making the mistakes he done, already made facts. They
need to be able to identify with that.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Let's take it back. What your life was like, what
your life was like growing up in Texas. Man, I'm
from the streets. I'm from o' cliff. I grew up
a banging, hustling robber. I think what's the name of
old Cliff too? Uh yellow yeo yellow bees. Yeah, he
at the cliff and uh young as they say they
from the new the new Dallas. It's some young It's

(03:13):
some young kids that we interviewed when we were down
in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Zillionaire yeah him and yeah, yeah they hold out the
city man shout out to.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Them to them, but I like their energy. We interviewed
them down in Della.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We came and did the two together together, Land down
and down.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah. Last month it was dope and I got a
chance to meet them. Dude.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, that's good man, It's good to see something, you know,
a positive energy coming through the city. Yeah yeah, I
just took yellow bees inside of the juvenile down there. Okay,
so homie, uh, I like any time that I'm able
to get someone with influence to come into the system
and use their influence so to rock the little homeless. Well, yeah,
like the spawn on growing up in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Man, growing up in the hood.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Man, I'm from Oak I grew up in the streets,
hitting licks, hustling, rapping the city, ripping the hood.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Went to prison for hitting licks, normal typical youngsters growing
up in the hood, trying to prove something that don't.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Need to be proven exactly. So basically, you was caught
up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Man, just really caught up. I want to be down. Yeah, yeah,
I want to be down. I want them to know
that I'm with it, I'm hard, I'm this, I'm that.
And then dealing with a lot of trauma as far
as growing up in a dysfunctional household. You know, they
play an effect on a little home. Major, major, When
when was that shift for you. So I made my

(04:41):
transition while I was incarcerated. You know, I was a
knuck ahead all the way from probably about eleven so
I give it about I give it probably about twenty six,
twenty seven. And really the only thing that changed me,
it's crazy. And what changed me is that I had

(05:01):
just got caught with ansel weed in prison.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I had just got caught. I was back there and
lock up, and I was sitting in my cell.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Bro, I was sitting in the cell, and this is
exactly what I said to myself.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I said, Man, you in prison running a whole enterprise. Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
You got all kind of stuff going on inside this prison. Boy,
if you can do this inside this prison, just think
what you.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Could do in the world. Fact, that's when everything started
trickling over for me. What would you say, prison Like,
what's the best thing for you? At that time?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
At that time, that was the best thing that could
have ever possibly happened to me. At the route I
was going, I was gonna end up dead, or I
was gonna end up with some ajor toime. I was
gonna never I was gonna end up in something that
I wasn't gonna be able to shake back from. So
you think God shlowed your action down to speed up
your mindset. God most definitely done that. He put me

(05:59):
through the You gotta go through the fire. You know,
if you ain't really been through that fire, you ain't
really battle tested. So you know you most definitely got
to go through the fire. You gotta be battle tested
to get that blessing. What your support was like when
you were in there, like for family and friend. So
when I went to prison, this the last phone call

(06:20):
that I ever had with my mama.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
She died while I was in prison.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yea, my mama died from a drug overdose while I
was in prison. But the last phone call I ever
had fro from her. I was seventeen in Dallas County.
And you know how they well you don't know, but
when you're getting going from the county to prison, they
let you make that last phone call to the fam.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Man. The last thing my mama told me was, so
check this out.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
We don't got the kind of family that's gonna be
writing you, sending you, no money, coming to visit you.
We don't got that kind of family. So let me
show you what we're gonna do. I got a few
hundred dollars were finish. Send it to you. You need
to get your appliances and the stuff you gonna need.
You're gonna beat her for a while, and you need
to get your job and find you a hustle in us.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
So you were able to take care of yourself. And
if you don't come back home a man, don't even
come back here.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Ooh they cold, but that's hard. She really charged you
up right then and there put it batter in your back.
How you took that?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
So I wasn't able to process that.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, So I took that and felt like my mama
carried more about the streets than she did me.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You took it as a bit.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I took it like, man, you I'm telling you that
these people downstairs to come pick me up. They talking
about strip out. It's time to go to prison. I'm
telling you know. At that time, you're a child, so
you're looking for your mama to say I love you.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's gonna be alright. My mama didn't tell me none
of that. You know. She was listening to me when
I'm talking to her on the phone.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
After I got through with my little old spear, she said, okay, now,
so listen to this, and that's when she ran it
down to me. I got on the bus belding like, damn,
she don't give a damn about me. She telling me,
go down here, make sure that they know you from
over cliff, make sure that this is going on. And
I'm like, man, this woman crazy. How long you have

(08:10):
that resentment?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Though? Like? How long? With no understand How long did you?
It took me about five six years.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Wow, And it really took you know, my little brother
getting killed while I was down there. But my girl,
she played a significant role in it because she knew
who my mama was. And my mom would see her
and be like, man, how you doing it? I wrote him.
I just would never write back, you know what I'm saying.
I often tell people one of the biggest regrets I've

(08:37):
ever had in my life is that my mother never
had a chance to see the man that I am.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I know she sees me, saying for you to
know she sees you, Yeah, yeah, that's one of it.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I tell people, you know, when.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
You're young, growing up, you know what I'm saying, You
think you know something that you don't know. You haven't
experienced life and it's totality because now that I'm grown,
I fully understand what my mama told me was the
best thing she could possibly be telling her son that's
on his way to prison. And she noted her son
is an active participant of the culture of the streets.

(09:12):
You know, she told me the best thing that she
could possibly tell me.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
No, really shit.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So when you got down there, you say you wild
for a little bit, Not really wild. He's just doing
what she told you, getting on your hustle. Basically, yeah,
making us stable for yourself. But when you got back
down in that box behind it, bounce a weed or whatever,
did you start reading books or whatever? So I had
been reading books. I ain't gonna lie to you. Me
and my partners that I ran with while I was incarcerated.

(09:41):
That was kind of the thing. You gotta be reading.
You gotta be reading books. You gotta be working out
my little circle of individuals.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was the thing.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Us being able to make something happen for ourselves while
we was incarcerated was the three of us. So us
figuring out how to be able to get this weed
or get the phone or do that was the That
was the game for us that we was playing while
we was incarcerated. Despite how small that may seem or
how insignificant it may seem, when you incarcerated, this is everything.

(10:11):
So we spent our times better in ourselves to be
able to do that. I've done that for six seven
years while I was in prison. It was when I
got caught for everything I was doing, or I started
snapping like, man, if you can do this in a
controlled environment inside this institution, boy, you can get outside
here and go do some great things.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Facts. Did you write the book From the Streets to
the Sweets that you? Right?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I wrote that out here. I wrote that. Since I've
been home. I'm currently working on my third book, Big Reform.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, put me on with the publishing people. Y'all came
about a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Anyway, that say, somebody like you most definitely have a
story to tell that the culture needs to hear. That
was one of the things that attracted me to you.
You know what I'm saying. You was making a video.
It was a real I was watching and you were saying,
how man, it's so hard to change. You were saying
what you was dealing with as far as trying to change,

(11:10):
And I was like, oh, he know what's going on?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Who is this? He brono? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Everybody think changing it's just something easy, and you know
they'll see individuals like us, and you know they see
us on these cameras and everything they life is great,
and I'd be like, boy, you don't even understand.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
What I be dealing with every single day.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
You know how I have to remind myself like you
can't think like that. I have to like tell myself like, hey,
quit feeling like that, Quit thinking like you know what
I'm saying, Stop thinking like that.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
That ain't what that is. I have to literally tell
myself that.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I have to literally tell myself like, hey man, stop
thinking like that.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
That mental health, that trauma, that's real, realists.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
And then that's the biggest fight though, Like you can,
like my arm hurt right now, I'm playing golf from
my swing ain't right.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
So it's been do you know what you're doing trying?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I don't know what I'm doing yet that when my
arm hurt, they say you're swinging wrong, brother, that way
your arm hurt. But what I'm saying is the biggest
fight is right here in your mind. Like like I said,
I'm injured right now, this shit gonna be over with
you know what I'm saying. We can't tell this to
go away, but you could tell them thoughts like you said,
You can tell them thoughts in your mind, like, bro,
you tripping?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You gotta talk to yourself how you would talk to
another person if they were doing what you were doing
or thinking what you were thinking.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right, that you care about.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And then it's important to have partners around you, you know,
you got to have them selective individuals that you can
have real conversations with that'll tell you, like, man, you tripping, bro? Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you're tripping, bro, despite
you know you My partner and I were on a
rock with you, and you know it's whatever, But deep
down I really know, man, you tripping? That ain't how

(12:59):
that you seeing that wrong? You're looking at that wrong?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I told him, I told them first thing they thought saying.
And what you're right or wrong? You can't because we're
both gonna drown. I can't with you when you're wrong.
We're both gonna drown.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'm not with you right or wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I like that them facts though, right, facts like I'm
with you. But bro, you're wrong, but you're wrong right now,
So I don't do that. Yeah, you're wrong right now.
I be telling me, boy, and these two things that
I don't if I hear you say, I don't care
and it's whatever, I get away from you because I
do cur and it is not know whatever, slow, this

(13:44):
is not no whatever. What's going on? We need to analyze.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I do care. Let's make sure that understood. I do
care for real.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know how that he's saying when you young, I
don't give a damn. It's whatever. Boy, don't say that.
You gonna scare me. Get him out of here, Get
this mad.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I don't care about nothing. Don't care.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
But we need to be around people that curl. Everybody.
I've around a curve. What type of vocational training you
got when you was in prison? Oh, while I was
incarce rate, I got ged two trades. I took cognitive intervention,
life skills, parenting. I've taken almost every class inside the institution.

(14:35):
Educating yourself is hands down the tool to success. What's
the most valuable thing you? Uh, you think you got
from being in prison? Like it's just like it won't
leave you. Like it goes with you everywhere every day.
Now like that you didn't have before you went in,

(14:56):
and you probably couldn't have got if you ain't going
You get what I was said, Oh that's good my
communication skills. You gotta be able to communicate inside that
institution what you mean? Like what in what way?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I might got something going on way on the other
side of the unit. Hw aren't finna be able to
get there and get it and get back without getting
jammed up? Yeah? You finna have to orchestrate and be
able to know who work in the hard way, who
working that gate, who over there, who working this side,
what time they coming out? When he running child? Like

(15:36):
you finna have to be able to orchestrate that whole
situation and it got to make it back to you successfully.
Do you think like a lot more people should that
kept it solid when they was in there and before
they went whatever, should get out and just like be
do mentorships and stuff. Do you think like that should
be like going prisons?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Huh when they get out? Do I think there were.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Like just even as a like you that went to
jail changed your life, You change your life anyway, and
you you successful, You're handling your business. You show how
to get some money and you get whatever whatever it is.
I can show you how to go through these struggles
and get the money and deal with uh A mental
war and all that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
At the same time, I can show you how to
do this.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So what I'm saying that do you think more people
that's found certain things that yeah, or while they was
in prison or a period, didn't go to prison just
like me. I ain't never been to prison. I've been
to jail plenty of times, but I ain't never been
down there. Okay, but I know I don't want to go.
I know you get what I'm saying. At the same time,
what I'm saying is, once you find that peace or

(16:41):
you find that that way like we've been tricked, do
you think more people should express that more to like kids,
like mentorship, mentorships and stuff. I do I hold I
think the big homies, the ogs should be held accountable.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
A big bank, you big home.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
In real time, you have the influence, you have the juice,
you have the careers with the information and knowledge.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
For you not to reach back and give it to
a little homie, you be wrong for that. Facts.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know what I'm saying, I don't care if you
just happen to be at the stove and you finish,
go in here and get some gas, and you see
a little home out here, you being who you is
and just saying, hey, look at it.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Man, that's hey, don't do that. You know, whatever, it's
gonna go a long way.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So for sure, I think individuals who who make it
out of prison, or who don't even go to prison,
who just they blessed to make it from that situation
to get to the other side. Man, tell the little
homies that they can be successful. Quit having them thinking that.
You know, they gotta, you know, necessarily live this type
of way to be successful, not the facts.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
What's your perspective on accountability? I think it's needed. Uh
that's the only way we're gonna be partners.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I gotta be able to keep it ge with you,
and I want you to be able to keep a
g with me, because if I feel a certain kind
of way and I think I'm right, it's up.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Man, this makes sense. If this doesn't make sense to me, look.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Here, we can do it all day. Man. Look this
ain't you know? So I got individuals around me that
will give me a different perspective. You know what I'm saying.
I got a partner that's fifty.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, he older than me, So me and him
don't see out of our own nothing.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
But after I.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Get to talking to her, he give me a different perspective.
You know what I'm saying. Man, that's my big rum. Yeah,
that's my part We don't see out of our own nothing,
but that's my partner.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
How you get into like the truck in the hot
Shot trucking? Man? How you getting into that? Man?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I got into that just saying one of my partners,
seeing how he lived, seeing how that trucking changed his life,
I just jumped in it. It would so I never
inspired to build a big, beautiful truck and company. That
was all God. Well, I got in with one truck
and one trailer and built it up to be able
to have twelve thirteen trucks.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
No, I see you like. Not only do you like
and these just your flowers right now?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Not only do you go talk to the kids and
try to keep dudes from going the wrong route. I
see you got dudes, who you help? It's that's a
mental ship to get trucks and do all this and
keep them from going back, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
So that's a double eded sore.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's like I'm trying to help you not go there
because this is what happened when you go there. But
once you went there and got your mind route got
you somewhere, you ain't got to go back.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's hard.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I appreciate you, so that what I do with that,
that's just my way of when you come home from prison,
I want to hear up and put you inside this
truck and show you that you can do it.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
So I don't win. All the way up to thirteen
trucks came all the way down the Fox trucks.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know, the pandemic took the truck and industry through
a shift. So you know, you're a business man, you
need to be able to weather the storm.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Listen, let me see your wits, let me see your game,
let me see your knowledge. So you know, you gotta
go through the storms or whatnot. But as far as
what I do with individuals coming home, this is what
done it for me. They've been telling me about driving trucks,
but in my mind, man, that big old truck man,
I'm gonna hurt somebody driving that. I just don't see

(20:34):
myself being able to do it. My partners say, come
up to my job. I'm gonna put you in my
truck and I'm gonna show you. I go up to
his job. He put me in a truck, and I
went to actually seeing I could do it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It built the confidence.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So now that I'm in the position that i'm in,
the day you get out of prison, I want to
beat her to come and take you straight to my
yard to go get in a truck.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
This is what you're gonna say. Man, Hold up, bro,
I ain't never drove no. Hold on up now, I
got you you good, get in, Crank the truck up,
hit them ub breaks in, pull out.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm gonna be right here in the passenger. See which
I got you. May you're good, baby. Cut that music on.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yo. Man your home.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'm talking to you. We're gonna go do a few
laps around my yard. Then I'm gonna get open the gate.
Come on, come on, okay, So we're gonna make it
right right here. I want you to swing it out wild.
Make sure you're looking both ways. Now wash the back
of that trailer. Boom we're gonna be doing all this.
I'm gonna put you on the freeway by the time
we get back to my yard. Now when you leave,

(21:35):
you're gonna be saying I can do this.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's certified too. Yeah. All you gotta do it. Go
get your how? How? What's the process of gaining ceed is? Do?
It's an easy process?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Uh, it is if you if you want to do it,
when the when, the why is bigger than the how,
it don't even matter.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Ho ho ho. Rewind that you say what.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
When the why it's bigger than the how. The hoigh
won't even matter when the wire is big enough. So
if you gotta go, I know, dudes that's willing to
go do five to ninety nine, you won't go do
six day weeks in CDL school four to six week
CDL school.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Facts make it make sense. The fact you'll go do
five to ninety nine right now, it's whatever. You a
jump head bird, it's whatever, ready to go do five
to ninety nine. But you won't go to CDL school
for four to six week trade school. Everybody don't want

(22:35):
to drive, trust, don't get a trade.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Do you regret the situation that happened for you to
go to jail, like, what was it?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
What was it? Like? What was your crime?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I got four aggravated robbers with dailer weapons and foe
aggravator sauce.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's what I went to prison for. I was seventeen.
Do you old up? Let me ask you something else
too with that wenna. We're gonna answer that. But do
you still feel as if though, like just could you change?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Do you think nigga's giving you a pass like a
nigga who who hated you?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like? How you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know? How you know it's like people that just
hated your guts for the old you?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
How do you deal with that? Do you think? Do
you live like they forgot or you still got one
our on that type shit?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I got straight a's on my report, Cause huh, I
got straight a's on my report. Now what I'm saying,
you get what I'm asking you the Yeah, I need
you to get what I'm telling you get When I
was living like that, I was stamped.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, So you ain't gonna you weren't bothering me
before I change, You ain't gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Bother me now that I don't change?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Really still say nigga, you wasn't bothering me before I change.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, you're still not gonna bother me. No fact, you
know the way to put that them on facts. But
what you went there for? Oh you said that four
robbers and folk. That's why I went to prison for
when I was seventeen. They can't according ship.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I actually I pleaded it out. Okay, they came with
a plea deal.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
They went from seventy years down to team within two
months with that. Yeah, let go, man, I know I did,
and I know I did. I'm not in I committed
my crime. I'm not able to give you that. I know.
I'm come back.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Because there's a lot of motion, y'all go to give
me everything wash away. I did that so that man,
how big on you are? Like in manifesting, like you know,
manifesting like with your mouth and your thoughts and your energy.
It's something that I've been It's something that I'm currently

(24:40):
implementing daily. I just got through reading the book uh
by Dione Sanders, The twenty one The twenty one Ways
Okay to Elevate and Dominate by Dion. He got some
gaming now, okay, Yeah, and he.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Got a part in that where he talking about do
you believe or are you in belief? Hell, love, break
that down for me. Do you believe or are you
in belief? What you get from that now? So if
you in believe you I can't believe this happened. I
can't believe that happened.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know everything that's going on around you, you kind
of feeling like you're a victim to it. But when
you believe, you embody that, you embody the belief through
your actions.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Woo whoa. That was the biggest thing that I got
from the book. Woo.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Bro, I know this shit gonna happen. What's happening. I
knew it was gonna.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Knew it. You gotta not know this. It is supposed
to happen. You gotta know that this is gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's supposed to be happening, and this is this is
how you gotta be moving and it's gonna happen right
on time. You can't rush it, can't slow it down,
you can't walk out of it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's gonna happen. Bro, I believe.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I believe You're gonna cut parts of that when we
messing up, as I mess.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Up somewhere on that were good.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
They you believe, I believe. I'm embodying the belief. Nah,
really shit, I believe. But one thing about believing. What
comes with believing though, What comes with believing test?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's test. I believe when you start believing, we gotta
see you say, God.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Damn you wake up every day trying to be the
nigga you got in your mind every day every day.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
How hard you go at that? Right now? I think
I'm an eighty I need to kick it up a girl,
you know.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
But I wake up, you know, talking to myself in
that mirror, telling myself I'm a woman, telling myself I'm
a king and you can do great things. Stay focused.
How important do you think affirmation to yourself is. I
think it's very important. I think it's very important, especially
coming from the community that we do. We come from dysfunction.

(27:16):
We come from being.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Told why you ain't shit, why you ain't gonna be nothing,
what you know? We come from that.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
So you know, one of the best relationships you gonna
ever have in your life is the one you have
with yourself. Facts, you know, So what you're telling yourself
is important. What your perspective on spirituality and religion.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
So, brother, you're a Christian, Muslim, Buddhism, scientology, whatever it
is that you believe, if it makes you a better person,
practice it all order. That's what I believe, correct ojecto,
that what I believe to be, whatever we are, now
work for you. Because you can't tell them folk, they

(28:01):
ain't working for them. You can't tell these people what
work for then I ain't. I've yet to study a
religion where it said hate, where it said, uh, you know,
still kill you know, each one that I've studied it
was all do the right thing, good bye people, love people,
you know. So whatever it is that brings out the

(28:22):
best in you, I'm all for. I believe that that's
a form of the vision.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
What about forgiveness? Mhm mm hmmm mmmm.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That was that's interesting. It's a I do think that
it's needed. That's an area that I myself have to
still work he said, this is super properly that's an area.

(29:08):
Same like, that's the area I've been working on that
I got kind of out, like, well, that's what you think.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Make it so hard for you to forgive? Though? The connection,
the intimacy, you know, this show every day partner this
show every days. You know, they up under your day in,
day out, and then they do something and it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
What you know, it become it becomes heartbreaking. You know,
I told you that was one of the things that
drew me to you.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Ban. People don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
You know, when you got real ties with guys, y'all
don't done real dirt, y'all don't really come up together.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, a lot done to a place where you
one of these fellas and then you know.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Something a whole happened or whatnot. You know, those feelings
and those attachment's gonna still be there.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Facts. You ain't gonna just stop loving him tomorrow because
they not Never because he shot or because he done this,
or because whatever it is that he done, he snaked
you out, or he snitched on somebody, or he done
whatever it is he done, that ain't gonna erace that
you still love him, you know what I'm saying. So
all that be battles that you be, that you be

(30:31):
at war with within, Nah, that's hard. You're right, I
got I got this spot.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
What I do on his car like I would, I
wouldn't let me think about them the answers to the question.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I would, I wouldn't, And let me think about it.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
That lead off to the same light weld you love
off what you uh? What you allow yourself to be
disappointed multiple times by somebody you love because you see potentially.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I would rather than that I would, I wouldn't. I
gotta think about that. Man.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh, that's gonna depend on the relationship. So and the
reason I'm saying that is because if you're close enough
to them and you love them enough, you're gonna kind
of put up with things that you wouldn't from somebody.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Who mean nothing to you.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
In fact, though I said, somebody you love and you
see the potential of.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Them, So I would.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
You gotta think about it, Let me think about it.
Hold on, do a take though, for you to give
up on somebody like not nobody, no friend or nothing,
just say like people you be trying to get to,
like when we try to mentor help with the trucks,
like how many chances you give them type of people,
how many chance they get theyself? So I know in
order to be successful that it's a certain amount of

(32:17):
work that's involved in it. So that's what's gonna separate
the men from the boys. That's what's gonna separate the
mentorship or the god or the goddess that I'm giving you.
So I can mentor you all day long, and I
can go tell you to do X, Y and Z.
But if you never go do it, you exing yourself out.

(32:37):
You're giving up on yourself. So I learned from a
situation with a close family member that I can't want
more for you than you want for yourself.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Fact, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
You'll been there gay, this person, You're all You're giving
them all your love, all your lordy.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
You pouring pooring, pooring, pooring, poor and pooring, poor and
pooring porn pawn, empty yourself out, emptying yourself out? How long?
How long are you? How long it takes for you
to say? Fucking know? You really? Slim? Like? Bro? You
better like you walked.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm trying to I'm trying to, man, you better come ready.
Basically believe, boy, you better be believing. And the reason
that now, the reason I'm so stumped dying like that. Man,
I'm giving it my all to be successful. Facts said, Bro,

(33:39):
this is the truth I'm saying. This is why I'm
so stumped down and stuff. This is why I cut you.
You don't take long?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
What the wrong things came over? Man, I'm waking up
every single day.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Man, I'm giving blood, sweat, tears, disappointment, frustration, setbacks, you know,
money lost here, Like, it's a lot that comes with
chasing dreams and success. So when I'm putting it out
on the line like this, and I say, and I
see you slacking. Man, get this guy there he playing,
put him in the portal.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Hey what you what you? That's that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
What you speak your mind like in the wrong settings
like yo arthentic mind like?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Or what you think? What you just fall back like
if I feel strong enough about it, I'm a stand
on it. That's why I think it's that's something about
me that I know.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's why it's so important to have accountability partners around you,
because I know that if we all standing right here
and the wrong thing is said or the wrong thing
is done, I know I'm somebody that's gonna say something.
So you don't believe in like it's a time and
a place for everything. I do believe in that sometime
that place might be right there. My mama raised me.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
For here time might be right there.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
My Mama's raised me made where you show you where
you show your chance right.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Up right there. So it's just it's just depends. Hey man,
I'm here out this sweet man. Yeah, it just depends.
It just depends on the situation.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
What is it you would basically I would, yeah, okay too,
fuck it. It's just one way thinking about ship. I
should have seen it that made me feel so fucked
up inside. Bro, if I don't say the ship that
I want to say on my mind in my heart, brother,
So I will say that that over time, I've learned
to be able to control my emotions from the standpoint definitely,

(35:46):
not just just just flipping out because it was a
point of time and I just man, look what oh yeah, yeah,
good for God. Damn it's whatever. But I told you
I got away from them words. So the word that's
why them affirmations is so important.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I do care. It's not whatever. So you know, when
you with him.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Tray, when you're telling yourself that I do care, it's
not whatever. I'm not so quick to just speak now now.
I'm more kind of like, hey man, you know what
I'm saying. You need to relax you know.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
You're a big boy in the game. You gotta start.
Your perspective has to shift. You know, what you've done
has gotten you to this point obviously, but it won't get.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
You to the next level, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
So I do believe it's a time and a place
for things from the standpoint of depending on what you've doundone.
Because if the disrespect was shown right here, I will
stand on business right here, Versus if it was something
that was shown to where I can have the opportunity
to be like, man, I'm a high let bank.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Later about that, you know what I'm saying, I'm a
high let bank. Later about that.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Pull you to the side, versus if you've done something
drastic enough, I gotta address you right here, right man,
on the spot. But wait now, at the end of
the day, I'm a man. Yeah, sure, I ain't gonna
even be able to get loose with baby tonight because
that's gonna be on my mind. You really ship I
ain't even better?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Rock? Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Would you date an X like when you're ex best friend?
Like you know there was a best friend she's hang
out with y'all and everything or not. Nah, you wouldn't. Yeah,
what you share locations with your girl?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
You with? Now do what like share your location? Uh? Yeah,
I will argue with a location, Well what you want
my location?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Though while you're in it, if you like, if it's
a question with it, you really thinking about it, like,
well I would be more. That's what they doing in
most relationship, like just you know, sharing locations and definitely
like why we gotta shot location.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
To make sure you say, to.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Make sure that I'm saying you can call me for that.
So this this serious. I'm real big.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I'm not your child. I'm your man and you my woman.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And if the respect and trust is that, then we
shouldn't even have those high school games going.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So you wouldn't. I don't have a reason to No,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But if if it came to us, you know, she
done call me doing something or something going on to
where I have to regain that trust or build that
trust if I if you're willing.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
To do that, that's what you got to do to
get back, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But if I ain't done nothing to cause that a
warrant thing, I'm not your child, I'm your man.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Would you ever consider being like a pastor.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I've never considered that. Would you I would what I
do now? You would think I was like a ministry.
How you feel about like scams and shitting inside black churches?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Scams being ran inside the black churches? Uh?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Uh, I think that it's some bullshit. Yeah uh, that's
what I think. Would you comfort compromise your morals for
somebody you love, like you know how you have morals
and to save their life?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
What's the compromise? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Would I compromise your morals, my morals to save somebody life,
to save somebody life you love?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah? Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Would I compromise my morals to save somebody life? If
I love them enough, I'll do whatever for them.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
You gotta think about that. But they say you ain't
tell it I'm wrong. No, I ain't gonna say you wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm just saying I think you gotta think of at
that like cause ship you're just not gonna do period.
Certain ship is morally in a nigga, you ain't finna
do no matter what its like, it's your time to go,
then I guess cause she I can't do that. But
that's why I asked you as me that.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You have to give me a situation based on I
get it.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I get that, I get I gotta know what you said,
like just go direct with it, like what you this
for that?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Like ship?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I gotta have that because I'm like if you if
if that's like saying I don't I don't believe in line,
but I'm saying certain morals certain Okay, go ahead, go
ahead on that.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So I'm just saying, but if you my partner and
we don't win and done this, I'm a lie for you.
I know only wouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
But since I love you, something that ain't that ain't morals,
then to me, I feel like moris is something you
wouldn't do no matter what. Like no matter what, I
ain't doing it, Like I ain't finna tell on one nigga,
I ain't finnau out of ass. I ain't gonna do
none of that type ship with that. That's not happening.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
We not doing that. You know what I'm saying. I'm
not for the fold fold up. I can't to save
your life, I can't do it. It's most definitely your
time to go. It's most definitely if they come to them.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Three that's what I feel like morals is like from
what you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So if it comes to those three things.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You did, you're like, well, I like, I don't like
lying either a lot of ship, but I like a
motherfucker saying a nigga life for.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's what okay? To get you out of trouble with
your girl, I like, I'm gonna help you'll. I want
to do.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's why I'm asking when I'm saying, what do you
mean by the morals? Give me a situation or give
me a direct because you when it comes to them
three things, we ain't doing that them futer rageous, hey
with you sick against your mind because of your heart? Yes, yes,

(41:58):
I do it all the time. I do it all
the time because my heart be wanted me. My heart
wants a whole lot. But I have to always be mindful.
I have to be mindful. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Don't already you you done been hurt?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
That's that question when you ask this person, don't hurt
you a million times? When you're gonna stop when you're
gonna that's because you know it's like a little partner.
You know what I'm saying, one of your little cousins
or nephew or somebody, and you love them, but they
study stealing from your you know some crazy what's your

(42:40):
perspective on like just reinvey yourself, like transitioning? You think
anybody can do it? I know anybody can do it.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
That's the answer. I know anybody can do it.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Anybody can do it. Ain't not but a clique. You
ain't gotta do to see it right now, I'm doing
it and do it. The question is do you wanna
do it?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Facts?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Do you want to do it? That's what I love
about the Big Reform movement. When we were going to prisons,
bank were changing lives.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
How did that start though?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Just going to jail or what we're going into the prisons? Yeah,
I'm saying, I'm saying, how did you start the Big Reform?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Like? What inspired that? What inspired is?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
It's just the many wreck your sessions that me and
my partners used to have. Yeah, when I was in prison,
Like I say, I ran with group a group of
guys to.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Where you know, working out and drinking water every day
all day, reading books, going to school you know better
than yourself was the what's the swag was the sauce
that was That was it, you know what I'm saying.
So man, it was up from now nah for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Uh now, yeah, I remember asking you about uh, I
want to ask you about like who somebody was on
the case with you?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Uh huh I got a fire. Well he didn't get caught.
I got caught.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
He got away. Yeah, he ran, But did he get
locked up? My father fighter ran and left me.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Hold up, hold look, he left you in like when
the police got nothing.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Now in the middle of in the middle of our case.
Oh hold up, So you didn't get caught that night. Now,
I got caught on the scene, on the scene.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Oh, and he hed the twelve come before he ran
like listen. So in the in the process, you know,
we we in here, we came to come here the lick.
In the process of the lick, it was a little
girl who caught my peripheral vision. So when I turned
like this. By time I came back, they was bomb
rushing me.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It was up from there.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
The people that we hear uh oh, they were bomb
rushing was because he took out. Then he took off.
You ain't started bustling thathing, Yeah, I had to. But
but he ran back to the hood and told everybody, like, Uh,
may y'all know he crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Like, may y'all know he trigger happy. Bro, y'all know
he be trigger happy. He just shot these people. That
ain't what happened, Bro. I had to shoot.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I had to do that otherwise I'll be dead right now.
Oh where he at? He's still around? Uh?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I mean, last time I checked, he was on his
way back to prison. He hadn't changed. He hadn't changed
when I came home from prison. One of the biggest
things that happened to me when I first came home
is that they have a picnic in my neighborhood every year.
You know, they have a real big picnics out there
for the homie, little Dougie, for my brother, little Juicy.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You know, they have big picnics.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
So this year, my first year home, everybody wanted me
to come to the picnic and stuff. So I came
to the picnic and one of my enemies. I'm telling
my man, Me and this man was a real war
before I went to prison.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
You know what I'm saying. He was done. So when
we pulled.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Up, I'm telling my partner them, I'm like, man man, really,
let me go back to the house. Bro, I don't
even need to be up here. You know what I'm saying.
I just come home. I'm like, man, let me just go.
They like, oh you good, chill. I'm like, nah, man,
cause I know before I went to prison, it was
up with these boys. You know, I know what's going on.
So I'm like, I need to burn. They like, man, Bro,
you tripping.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I'm like, damn right.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
So you know what I'm saying. I get out the car.
This was the game changer for me. His name J
Nasty Bro. He came over and gave me a hug.
He said, Man, I'm happy to see you, Bro. I
heard how you was holding it down down there. Man,
that's good and everything. Say that shit we had going
on for you left, that's dead. He say, Man, I'm married,

(46:25):
I got kids now, I have moved on with my life.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I'm on the bigger and better things.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
When he done that, when I came home and he
done that, what he didn't know is that him doing
that was telling me, Man, go live your life.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That's over with. You know what I'm saying. I needed
that frick.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You know a lot of people don't be knowing that.
You know, people be nothing dead, real dirt, they be
real drummer in them streets.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Stuff, You know that stuff, that's how we come up
or whatnot. So when you're trying to make that transition,
you know what I'm saying, and you trying to change, well,
we do know that that's still there. In fact, that's earlier. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. We do know that still there.
So the fact that he pulled up on me like
that gave me a hood.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Man. He was like, hey, man, man, I hope you
stay out here.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Man.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You know what I'm saying. He was like, Man, things
don't change. It ain't like it was back then. Bro.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
A lot of us is dead or eat did in prison.
He said, I just you know, wanted to see you
get your hug. Tell you that it's little man. I'm gone,
blew my mind. I was talking about that, literally blew
my mind. Me and this man was at.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
A whole wall ah. That's crazy, bro.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Nah, I plugged and hats off to what you do, bro,
because I watch you. You know what I'm saying, I'm on
your line heavy fuck with you.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I shall be on your line, Nah, for sure. How
I feel though? How did it feel like?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And did it mean anything to you when the folks
start recognizing and shit like giving you days and governor
days and all that, Like, how that feeling explained?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Man?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
That feels great. It feels great because I'm able to
do it for the culture. It's bigger than just me. Yeah,
me to show y'all that we can be more than
what they talking about. They just capping and talking. Let
me get on the big stage in real force. I'm
gonna bridge the gap. I'm gonna show y'all that we
can keep the sauce in the flavor and do our thing.
We ain't gotta be necessarily what they saying we are.

(48:18):
So you end up getting a proclamation in Indiana right.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
April twenty four, Big Reform Day.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
That's hard. And then in Texas they did something for
you too. Now I got the Governor's award down there
in Texas.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
That's hard.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, we're taking the big reform moving out across the country. Bro,
that you ever seeing in this for you before? You
like sixteen seventeen year old.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Now, Nah, to be honest with you, bro, I never
saw none of this.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
But that's the beauty of the journey because as you
taking that journey, now I can see even more what
I couldn't see then I can see. Now that's the
beauty of the journey. How you feel about politics, you
be watching that shit, I can be I'm more informed. MM,
I can become more informed, you know what I'm saying.

(49:06):
I say that I do pay attention to it. I
watch it, but I.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Need to be way more informed before, just you know,
being able to see.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
So you do you actually feel like no matter who
in there, it's gonna affect us and not affect us.
That's a good question. I've been alive forty years, and
the question is, no matter who's been in office, rent
was due every month. Cardinals, all let us do every month.

(49:40):
No matter who was in office. You know what I'm saying,
it was still black on black crime. People were still
going to prison. It don't matter. So that's why I say,
you know, I watch it, but I'm old boots on
the ground. You know what I'm saying. I'm really in
the trenches. So you know, we gotta make it pass.
That's that part to begin to even put our eyes

(50:03):
on that we got homers that still they can't see
past the projects. Let's know some politics, real ship, they
can't see past the block. Let's know some politics. We
gotta get them past the block and then we can
get them to the politics. You think you're walking in
your purpose. Now I know I'm walking in my purpose.
M I know what it feels like. Great, That's how

(50:25):
I know I'm doing it. I feel excellent, Like explain
it for a nigga. So when they feel it, they
know they are. You gonna feel it because it's gonna
make you feel good. You gonna feel good doing it.
You gonna know you're supposed to be doing it. It's
something that you do effortlessly. And I do this effortlessly
like it's just natural.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
It's in me.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
It ain't on me. It's a difference. It's all you too.
City pair motherfuck brother, say, man, you know you know
how we do it?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
We do it. You gotta look at it. You know
I need to thirteen man, what the mill say? What
skin is? They? I ain't finna be lying to you.
I don't know, I can't, I don't know. I just
I just know, oh yeah, you'll get it to where
they is you just know ar man, damn it right there?

(51:23):
Say you just once I put them on my feet,
I'm gonna put the style to them.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, let me hard pushing it, let me ask you
go ahead, because I about have got them to ask
me to go ahead.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It's on, you know. Yeah. So I want to know
how does it feel to change?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Because I watched the video where you were struggling with,
you know, making that transition from you know, the demons
that you deal with daily.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
How has it?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
How does it honestly feel to make that transition? Oh,
like you said, it's great, bro, you feel peaceful?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
More? What its harmon? Nize?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I hear bell's bell's and whistles in my head and
listen to jazz.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
And so how you deal with how you.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Deal with the homers that come up with you? And
now that you don't moved on? You know, damn I'm
trying to get at you.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Man. You ain't got time for someone. Man.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Niggas know man, one thing about anybody that know me,
they know Homie doing what he's doing. He's doing what
he's doing. It don't even matter. And he gonna do
what he's supposed to do. However it comes you know
what I'm saying, he gonna do what he's supposed to do.
He gonna hell his business. He say he's finna do this,
he gonna do that. But even not even my homies.

(52:41):
My son's like my son of age twenty six, twenty
seven years old, twenty yeah, I got thirty ye old,
twenty seven year old?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
And do your sons respect you? Huh? Your sons? Why
he said? Do they respect you? For sure?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, because that's my new thing. It's too many people
who holler about thy big Homer in their own kids.
You not even respected as a man in your household?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
How the hell is you?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I got, junior? These my partners still my sons, My partners,
like I don't kick the super deal, but no, no,
no no, I don't need you to kick the It's
a form of respect or not mandatory, That's what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is getting back to that, what
you're saying is respect. They don't even send me some
shit like they respect. They try to come around me
and be like they won't got damn walk well, walk

(53:27):
well on walking.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
That's with anybody about all my partners, all my homegirls,
my wife. How they feel though to have knowing that
what your sons or your partners, the way you move
and is gonna help dictate the direction in which they
life going.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
How do you accept that responsibility? How does that you know?
Because heavy is the head that was the crime, how
do you deal with that pressure? How do you deal
with that? With that day in and they because you
still gotta be bang.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
You gotta accept nigga, what you is like you just
sat there and said, you just sat there and said,
this shit feel too normal. I do this ship at
these I ain't trying to do this. I ain't this,
ain't not wake up. It's ain't to do this because
of this. Yeah no, so it just it don't feel
no kind of way.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Why I say that video? You told them, boy, I'm
not acting different. This is not an ass, this is
not an ass. This is not I am different. I
said I took that. That's I am different. I am different.
Don't be talking about this the same nigga. This I ain't.
Anybody can see this. I can see it.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
You can see I can see that you're not the
same nigga that you just destriving earlier, it's impossible to
be that nigga say, look, I got an r I
P tattoo of him.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
We killed him so that the boss man.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Can be a broken, a broken, a woken woken that's
hard awakeed, he woke, he woke, bro. Because it's like
I said earlier, Bro, it's like things that niggas is doing. Bro,
It's just we can't let it go un noticed because
they try to hide them them jewels, you know what
I'm saying, Like, we find jewels and mud there. They

(55:02):
gonna find them jewels at the mud mud ocean, and
you gotta dig for them. So what we gotta do
is niggas, with platforms and everything else, we gotta bring
them jewels to the front, but go dig and find them.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
That's what I'm on now. I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I really have a problem with a lot of platforms.
It's cool to promote whatever you're gonna promote, but let's
also highlight the information and the knowledge and the swag
and the sauce so that the culture can see that
only thing we seen the highlight is the rap, beef,
the murders, the killings. Yeah, man, what's up with this? Yeah,
you line to the culture. You're presenting it there as

(55:36):
if you know all black men is good for us this.
I know a whole bunch of us that's standing on
business in the big reform movement. Were here to show
that and display that nah, real shit. I'm gonna continue
to display.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
That real shit, nah, because if we don't, who is?
Who is? You know what I'm saying. We don't. And
it's so many people out there.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Uh, they're just not like superstars, rappers and actors and
all that. It's it's niggas out here just having real
emotion and changing lives. That's not on Instagram, that's not
but during it in real time. But those type of
people are the people I'm looking for to come on perspective, Like,

(56:20):
I feel like you just came on here and told
these people how hard it is to be successful.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
But I wouldn't do nothing else but try to be successful.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Nigga. Cut the reward or whatever the reward of me. Like, nigga,
don't understand you so in a rush to get to
where you're going, you're not even enjoying the process. Yeah,
the process you gotta enjoy that. You gotta feel that
you gotta take it in, Like, but did come with
this because.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I already know who I am.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I'm already working towards, like you said earlier, the nigga
that's in my mind, I'm already working.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Towards the dude that I got in my brain. I
wake up every day being in.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
What y'all talking about that dude that gotzed, right, I
wake up every day being him. So i'd be brushing
my teeth from pearly whites. I took my diamonds out
to put the whites in in. I pulled my pants up.
Now I walk like this, excuse me, how you're doing that?
Dude that I have a nice day?

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, every and that becomes muscle memory.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Like even if I see some people who ens y'all,
white people, whatever, anybody that's in the job, I'm gonna
make sure you know I ain't wanting them. But you
can see in my eyes on one of them, but
I ain't wanting them. I ain't trying to be who
I can be.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
If it's in you, it's in you. Yeah, that's what
you gotta let people know.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I ain't trying to be who I know I can
be because when I was being that person that didn't
get me to what that nigga in my head like
he ain't gonna never make it though the way Homer
was thinking, he was never gonna get there nah, because
he didn't have enough emotional intelligence pressure that he was

(57:53):
so you know what I'm saying, he was so caught
up and.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I ain't playing. Let's get it. It's impossible to not
look over shit.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I'm just being it's impossible for someone that some of
that shit just testing testing. I done got to the
point to where I First of all, if you broke,
we sure can't be into it. It's impossible for us
to be into it. And you broke, you ain't got
nothing going on in your life, it's impossible for us
to be into it. Second of all, if we having

(58:27):
an altercation, if it's coming to the point to where
it's that drastic where it's.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Just up up, man, I don't even want nothing to
do with you.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
I'm at a space in my life where I'm fully
focused on building on building a big reform movement, building
my empire, and I know that I have the potential,
to talent and the capabilities to make it happen. You're
doing it so I know we can't be into I don't.
So I'm saying that to say I don't even have
the time to be into it with you. Yeah once
I find out, Yeah once what's going on? Okay, I

(58:58):
wish you the best, have a nice life. You'll never
see me and talk to me again and life next.
You know what you're saying is it's it's complete stamp
facts because once you, once you own what you on, bro,
you really create a schedule like my life.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Ain't even got time to do that.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I wake up at sissy clock, well like five thirty,
walking sizz the clock, go to the gym, go play
a little golf.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm tired after that.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I might get me a hike in the any time
to fuck my bitch and go to sleep at that
all again tomorrow I got chiropractice. You know what I'm saying,
I gotta do big facts probably that day. Later on
that night on talking to BRUCEK. You know what I'm saying,
We kicking out one too, and then she it's trying
to go to sleep, but I ain't even My phone's

(59:41):
on silent right now and.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Ain't no telling her what's our white on you? When
you get to that phone. I ain't. I ain't got
time to look at I gotta go to sleep that morning.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
You gotta get Yeah, but I'm gonna show you something.
That's why I tell Lee boys a lot of when
I say go from the streets to the sweets. Too
many people are a are identic find money with success.
That ain't got nothing to do with success. Ain't got
nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Man. Success is being able to live life on your
terms and in your turns.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Meaning you might like to get up at six o'clock
in the morning, you able to go drop your sun
or your daughter off, or you go to work all
week you get off this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
You and baby go out to eat, get some get
some good, eat, watch all the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
You able to travel. You know, hey, life's good. You
got somewhere to lay your heads. Y'all got ve here
because y'all ain't committing no crime. That's success to me,
that's major success, that's success to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Rich. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're doing wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
You know, you got people that'll be so caught up
on Instagram feeling like if I ain't got no Bentley
or I ain't in the minds of riding or if
I ain't in a three point five million, that means
that I'm a failure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You was a love, he was crazy. You crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
You don't need You haven't snapped it and realized how
blessed you all. That's why you haven't received more. Yeah,
you haven't even snapped and realized that. You know, you
got somewhere to lay your head. You got food, you
got vehicle, you got your limbs, you got your health.
You're in a position to be able to better yourself.
You looking at everything you don't got. I just told

(01:01:16):
you what I read in that elevator dominate twenty one
ways with prime.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
If you really believe in body it embody it. If
you believe and you say you is who you is,
let me see it. If you is who you say
you is standing on that that's a man, let me
see it. I don't understand, man, why you think? Why
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
It's so many excuses to why you know what I'm saying?
Like people just make excuses.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
It's a cuddain amount of work that comes with success.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Everybody want it, but it's real work involved, it's real commitment,
it's real sacrifice to be able to have this show weekly,
to be able to set it up, to be able
to have the guests come in, to be able to
uh set up your questions for you to do the
homework you do on the on the people you bring in.
That's a commitment, you know what I'm saying That that

(01:02:15):
comes with it. If you want to be able to
do this on a high level, you're looking to really
be successful. That means that you're gonna have to be
committed to doing this and doing it at the highest
level that you possibly can, you know what I'm saying.
So you have to be willing to You may have
to be willing to invest this Mike might cost a
thousand a thousand dollars, Yeah, but it's the best micing business.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
It's gonna make Christ's gonna have sounded Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You know. It might means, hey man, tomorrow, we gotta
come in at three the show down start to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, but we need by two or three hours to
go over this segment. I want to go and change this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Like the sacrifice and the commitment comes in many different forms.
And if you're not willing to do it and once
you see what comes with it, that's where the laziness coming.
And you know what I'm saying now, You you snapping
that I might have done chewed off more than I
was asking for. Quit asking for this ship. This ain't
what you want, my boy, Kiki, say that the dum

(01:03:17):
hunk Chuck. Stop asking for this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
This ain't what you want. You saying you want to
be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
That means getting up at five in the morning, That
mean dealing with you're gonna be deal with your Super Bowls,
are getting on your nerves, your kids calling you for
a hundred things, You into it with your spouse, your
tire on flat, and you hungry.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
All that's going out at one time. I know that's
going on at one time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
And you better be able to think clearly and make
sound decisions and the process of doing all that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Because we got a show to do the night with
Bank and all that's going on, and we gotta show
tonight with Banking. You need to be on time. So
what nobody cares. Already got enough going off, But ship, bro,

(01:04:16):
I really appreciate you pulling up man a man. I
appreciate you man for having me, you know, just a
chop game with you. Man. You know again, but we
ain't getting out there yet we got book of the week.
I do like book of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I'll be trying to turn these on the little books
and ship I be on reading. Okay, and this week
I got I know you probably read this The Making
of a Slave Willie Lynch book Willie Lynch syn drown
that shit, crazy bros. Explaining what's going on today? Though,
I think I think I know that it's doing it.
It's dividing and conquering us. It's dividing us in so
many different ways. And I always tell, especially black men, hey,

(01:04:52):
we ain't got to kill each other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Disagreeing don't mean one of us gotta die. A disagreement
don't means death. We just don't agree. In fact, niggas
so quick to say, man, he tried me, boy, he
wanted try. You tried yourself. You was already telling yourself.
That's that's why I don't read text messages.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
You see how you just said, what the way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
You read this message, it's how you fel interpreted. They
probably ain't saying this text message you're reading. They not
even saying it like that. That's how you read, That's
how you reading it to yourself. That's how you take it,
that's how you processing it. Yeah, that's why I always
tell myself when I'm kind of feeling like, man, who
is you talking to what?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You don't do that? Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Saying that the people not even Yeah, you know, and
that's even with being in the entertainment industry, you know
what I'm saying. That's something that that that come with
being seasoned, learning things. You know, you're not get out
your feelings. Ain't no money in now, you know, But that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Come with time, that come with experience, that come with
going through things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
You know, everybody just think that people automatically supposed to
know all this here, Nah, I had to go through
a real situation and my partner telling me safe, man,
you need to get out your feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Ain't no money there. Stop all this crime and complaining.
I was like, damn, okay, it makes sense with you
when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Right shut up you doing all this stuff. And my
partner told me that straight up, just straight up like, hey, man,
get out your feelings. Man, ain't no money in your feelings.
Quit all this crime and complaining. Bro, you need to
be figuring out what to do to fix the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Facts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I was like, damn, I don't even know why I'm
talking to him, but it stuck and you applied it.
What get out my feelings and figure out how to
solve the problem. If you believe the way you're saying
you believe, let me see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
It, because it's gonna be up. Want to go You
just want to ship the coast and it don't go
like that. No, man, I it's crazy you saying that.
I read.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I ain't gonna say recently, but about during the COVID
one of my trucks they had a fatality and and that, uh,
that rocked my company like never before. But despite it
rocking my company, I still had to have the withal
to be able to endure the storm, to be able
to figure out what to do, how to do it
in order to keep what I got going. Don't nobody

(01:07:31):
care next, nobody cares that you had You know, you
need to figure it out. Yeah, you need to sit
in there and figure it out. In fact, this is
what comes with you want to be a big boss man.
You want to be this big business guy. This is
what comes with that. You have to be able to
make sound decisions and you have to be able to
learn from the mistakes. Fat but all that comes with maturity,

(01:07:54):
all that comes with actually going through real situations. If
you ain't never really been through the fire, you gotta
really go through it in order to One of my
partners told me this in prison. I was asking him
for some game. He said, you gotta you gotta grow
through it, not go through it. Grow through it, not
go through it, grow through it. If you ain't never

(01:08:19):
went through nothing, how you're gonna grow through something. It's
gonna be some storms and obstacles there. Facts, they gonna
be there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
And unfortunately, when God shows favor, you become the devil's
top priority. That's just how that goes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Really shit, nah My Pottner, pull it up over there.
We gotta do this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
We gotta double up, man. We gotta do at least
two three of you. Man yup man. You know how
you gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Hit the line because I'm gonna be in the country
pushing big reforms. You can best believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Nah, that's dope. I think everything you doing is dope. Bro.
I appreciate you. Broke got them up a king spirit.
I fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I appreciate me lot. I appreciate you, Yes, sir, tell
them forward to follow you to find you at boss
Man Brewster on all social media platforms boss Man Brewster
and it got a blue check.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
We got the blue check, so you ain't getting scammed. Yeah,
that was the whole point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
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