August 15, 2024 • 36 mins
PING Pro Tim ‘Lumpy’ Herron joins Shane and Marty on the podcast to discuss growing up in a golf family, his journey to becoming a four-time PGA Tour winner, his favorite PING clubs from over the years, and longevity in golf.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The guys from Ping.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I just love that I can hit any shot I
kind of want.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty, we got a
legend with us today, a living legend in the golf space.
Tim Haren joining us and Tim were fired up to
have you a part of the podcast. I know you've
been a part of the Pink family for a long
long time. I wanted to start with family because you're
a guy that grew up in an extremely competitive golf family.
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When did you start playing? When did you get introduced to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The golf to golf?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Do you know how old you were when when you
were kind of introduced initially to the game.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, probably seven years old.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'd go out and play like three holes of my
dad after he was done with work and right before dinner,
kind of run the dogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So it was kind of always fun.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
And then probably at ten I started catting for my
dad pretty cheap.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I guess I was probably cheap labor for him.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So yeah, ten, probably fifteen, and then started working in
the golf business. I worked for a pro at a
club where my dad was actually at. So yeah, so
I've kind of always been around the game.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Was your dad a pro player? What was his what's
his background?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
He was a pro for he was a pro for
about a year.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
He was a life insurance salesman, so he could get
out and play a lot of golf.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's always so interesting to talk to people that have
these kind of golf families, like the Knies for instance, right,
I mean these people that grew up, you know, around
the game, but growing up very competitively. I mean your
sister great player, I mean very very competitive, played a
whole bunch of great golf tournaments. I know, she won
a lot of big events in her day. You know,
you know, you talked about your dad being so involved
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in golf, your granddad being so involved in golf. Once
you got into it, was it instantaneously competitive?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was it one of those things.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That right off the bat you went, oh my goodness,
I got to play against these people that take the
game relatively seriously.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, I think, well, my sister's younger than I am,
but I don't know. I think I probably beat my
dad at like fourteen or fifteen, and then I kind
of I shot up and then.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're three four years apart.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You know, my sister was good, and then I kind
of went to college and played national things, and she's
went in state amateurs and stayed opens and things like that.
And then I caddied four in the midamter and that's
pretty much our only ustre event in the family. So she,
you know, she gave me a trophy on that her
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bib she framed. So that's what I got down above
the pool table.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Tim my wife actually played golf Fort New Mexico and
Albuquerque on the golf team there. I want to know
how in the world you ended up there, ended up
making your way to Albuquerque.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
So I got a scholarship either at University of Minnesota,
New Mexico or a SU, and AESU started eighty.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
By the time I was going to sign it was ten.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
My dad says, now you're not going there, and I
wanted to go south. I just didn't know it snowed
more in Albuquerque than it was Minnesota, but it's gone
the next day, right, So I didn't know it was
like high desert, but it worked out great. I was
John Field's first recruit with actually Christian's brother. I was
Christian's brother's college roommate. And it's kind of how I
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got there. I knew John threw a pro that taught
me how to play an assistant pro and John Field's
actually worked for him before he got the.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
New Mexico job. Yeah, that's kind of how I got
down there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Christian kanea the head of our tour department from from
New Mexico.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Exactly like Blend, New Mexico. And Jason, his brother, was
my college roommate master here and there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, so you guys were playing you and him South
was there at the time, and you guys that was
your home track.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah. Now my oldest son plays there.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh nice. Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, it was kind of during COVID.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
He didn't really have a place to go, so we
decided New Mexico is a good spot, and he's had
a pretty good college career down there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Mumpy, did you take a liking to the Mexican food
there in the green Chili?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I did, And when I go back and visit my son.
I don't eat as much Mexican food. I eat the
green chili, so I'll put like green chili on a burger, yeah,
or like even a pizza, right, yep.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But the actual Mexican food, that's a little tough on me.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Now, Shane, have you spent any time in Albuquerque eating
the food there?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So I I was gonna say, for people that don't
know about New Mexico, Mexican food way spicier than what
you're traditionally run into when you eat Mexican food anywhere
else in the country or beyond. I think that's one
of the really unique things about New Mexico. There's a
couple of restaurants, Marty and Phoenix most Os. I'm sure
you've been to it multiple times. You got to bring
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a towel. You gotta dat the forehead as you're eating
through that stuff, because it is absolutely no joke.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But yes, Tim, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
As we get a little bit older, I'm not sure
it's the Mexican food there that you want to be
taken down like midday when you got golf ahead of Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Allball Richardson's have you been down and in Arizona, in Phoenix,
I have not been awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Now Richardson's a little New Mexican too, Okay, okay, well
that's good.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I have to check it out. So you played college
golf in New Mexico. I mean, obviously you were an
extremely good amateur player and good junior player. When did
it flip from I'm good too, I've got potential to
really do this for a living. I've got potential to
make a Walker Cup team, things like that. When did
your game really kind of turn for what would become
your career?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean I had potential my freshman year, became
honorable mentioned my sophomore year, and then first team All
American and my last two, and then I kind of
knew right there, college wise is good enough to turn
pro and give it a try. So, you know, I
missed out a first stage right out. And then I
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came back and graduated and was assistant coach for a semester,
and then I went out and played Australia, Canada Mini Tours,
did the whole thing, and.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Got my Nike card, which is corn Fairy.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yep in ninety five, and then in ninety six I
got my card and I won my seventh event on tour,
so it you know, I remember the Honda, the one
that I won that I was trying to do a
rain dance that all the rain would come in because
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it was supposed to be nasty, and we played all
day in it. But what happened and was that I
played all day and I won the tournament. And I
think that kind of propelled knowing that I could stand
tour for quite a long time. Because I finished four rounds,
they didn't give it to me.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Tim, I wanted to ask real quick before we get
into the pro stuff. I was looking at the Walker
Cup you played at a ninety three, and I didn't
realize that it was played in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How special was it?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
How big of a goal was it for you that
year to make that Walker Cup team? Considering where the
event was being hosted. I can only imagine for you
it was like a pinchbe moment to be wearing red,
white and blue, playing in the state that you basically
grew up in.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It was really awesome, but it was nerve wracking now
looking back. It was extremely just unbelievable experience and memories.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I remember Alan Doyle was a buddy of mine. I
remember asking him if he wanted to be partners and
he took. He took Justin Leonard and I was with
John Harris, who was actually another player from Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He won the US Amitur that year.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And yeah, we actually defeated some English boys, so it
was good.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Do you remember who you played in that first singles match?
Do you remember who?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Who? You know? I played singles? I played Patty Harrington?
Beat him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I had a baby. You beat him one up, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The other two was Van and.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yep, yep, Van Van was the Van was the matchup.
You won that one.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You guys were running away with this thing, but you
won that three and two. So it was a good
It was a good Walker Cup for you as well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Great Walker Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I you mentioned, you know, your your your your playing
partners didn't want to hit all the woods. I was
going back and I looked at some of your early
PJ tour stats and you were way up there in
driving distance. I wasn't aware of that. You know, you
were in the top five, top ten and driving distance. Yeah,
you know, and back then did.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It almost ten years? Eight years?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah? And back then obviously they didn't have the shot
link and how far you are from the middle of
the fairway and this type of stuff. Did you kind
of feel like you had the ould strokes game driving
figured out, like better to hit it far than did
a ton of fairways before everyone else.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
No, my Caddy was a little old school, so I
just remember watching Phil going, I'm just gonna try to
hit as far. I remember him having arguments with Butch harmon.
Butch goes, I can get your swing a little tighter,
you can hit it more consistent, and he goes, no, man,
I want to hit as far as I can. And
I just kind of back and forth. If I need
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to contend in the Major, I need to hit a
little straighter. That doesn't mean hitting irons off the tee
all the time. I just need to hit the driver
a little straighter. But I think whenever, when the body
starts slowing down a little bit, I could I could
time it a little better. So maybe when I got
fat and ole, actually I actually hit it straighter and
not as far.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You know, it's so interesting to hear you say that
about Phil because obviously now the modern and Marty was
kind of touching on this but the modern mentality of
players is hit driver all over the place and go
and find it. I mean, no event is better illuminated
to that point than what we saw in twenty twenty
Win Bryson, Win and wing Foot and he basically said,
I'm gonna aim for half of the fairway and the rough,
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like I do not care where the driver goes.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I remember there was an Open Championship years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
VJ.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Singh was last in the field and fairways hit and
first in the field in greens and regulation. I feel
like VJ was a bit ahead of his time and
that stat as well. What players outside of Phil Nicholson
were you looking at? Going the way this guy plays
makes maybe a bit more sense than what people are
telling me to do.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think you're correct on that VJ saying if he
was in between clubs, he'd always pull out a driver.
He always tried to say, as aggressive as he could,
and he was so strong and Tiger Woods, well you'd
see Tiger back off, like getting the British Opens and
stuff like that. Yeah, because he could hit that stinger.
All you need to do is get in the fairway.
(11:01):
Because he was such a.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Good iron player, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
But I think a lot of guys used their length
to an advantage, like a VJ.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Singh.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I remember, I'm at Firestone right now playing the Senior.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The Senior I don't even know that.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I think it's our Tour Championship anyways, I'm playing with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I remember playing with VJ.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
One round when he won it, and he pulled out
driver every hole and just tried to drive it up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
As far as he could.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Figure, if you're going to hit it in the craft,
he might as well be closer to the green.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah. Yeah, it was fun going back and look at
some of your stats, Lumpy from before the shot Link era.
You know, way down there in driving distance. Your driving
accuracy was like you know, but your greens and regulation
was super high, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, it's always a pretty good iron player mid irons,
especially like part threes and stuff. That felt like I
could take advantage on part three's and get up there
on part fives. I think I'm a much better wedge
player now since I've been playing the Champions Tour.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, the last five years than I have.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Out on and now I carry like four wedges where
I used to only carry three because I felt like
some of the weapons or one irons back in the
day and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Stuff like that. Now you can't even get the ball
in the air with a one iron, But I remember
the pick one iron. Right, you still have like twelve
of them at home.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What what was it like? I feel like you played
in the very interesting time. You got on tour right
before Tiger, Right, you won some Germans and then he
came on the scene.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Actually we're rookies the same year, but he only played
half less than half the year, and he got Rookie
of the Year and I won that year too.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I think it worked out all right for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Tiger wents coattails a little bit, you know what I mean.
But I'm like, he didn't play. Should he really be
Rookie of the Year?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Should he be that?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I always get he remembers me beating him in the
US Ham and I go, you know what, I'll give
you that US amateur if you just give me one
of those major trophies, just one you got fifteen or
whatever of them, just one of them.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You beat him in the year before he won the
three in a row.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, I beat him.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
He was still in Yeah, he was still in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And the funniest part about the story is Brian Gay.
We're looking at the brackets, is Brian Gay, Jonathan Kay
And they're like, oh, Tiger's in your bracket. I wouldn't
want to play him. So I won Tiger one and
now I got to play him. I'm like, why do
these guys have to put it on me?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And I actually, uh, I played pretty good and beat him,
beat him up pretty good. But where was that one
at Lumby Mierfield?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh yeah, Mierfield Village? Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean like, like, we're not this isn't a historian podcast.
But I think there's an argument to me that might
be the only match he lost in a USGA championship,
or one of maybe two because obviously.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We people say, I don't know, I haven't really gone
through the archives, but I think he.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Might have lost too, you know, I think he lost.
I think he played in two ams.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
He didn't win when he won those juniors, and then
played obviously in the three one. So there's your Jeopardy answer.
Is is Tim Harrot whenever anybody wants to answer that.
By the way, Marty's mentioned it a couple times.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I know you've answered this question two billion times in
your career, but can you tell us the lumpy nickname story?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Pleaser?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All right?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yes, So that golf course that I worked at my
first So the golf shop was a little separated from
the clubhouse and the driving rangers down this hill and
I walked in. They go what's your name? And I go,
Tim Harron. I actually knew the pro but this is
some pros kind of giving me some grief, right, So he.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Goes, well, do you have a nickname? I go no,
I don't have a nickname.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
He goes, why didn't he go down and pick the
range and we'll we'll have a nickname for you when
he come up. So I go down there for about
forty five minutes an hour, clean the range up, come
back up and they go, hey, Lumpy, how are you doing.
How do you like your nickname? I go out on,
don't really like it? And it's been lumpy ever since.
So that's my nickname.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What did it?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
What did it derive from? Were you doing something weird
picking the range?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Like we're They just thought I always kind of look
frumpy lumpy, you know what I mean? Okay, And there
was actually a kid in high school that was nicknamed Lumpy.
So I wasn't even lumpy in high school. It was
all around the golf community. I wasn't even lumpy in college.
I thought I got rid of it until I was
winning my first tournament in ninety six and the pro's
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brother played on the Champions Tour and knew Dave Mar
really well, and Dave.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Goes, do you know anything about this kid from Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
We need something on this kid, you know, put on air,
and they go he said, well, his nickname is Lumpy.
So then that came out, you know, with Johnny Miller
and Dave Mar and that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I've been Lumpier ever since. So it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Just got to stick with it, Yeah, totally. If you
try to fight it, it only gets worse.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lumpy, What you were a drake, great driver, the golf
ball hit it far, you know, kind of when you
first came on the scene. What were some of your
favorite getting into some equipment things like, what were some
of your most memorable or kind of drivers you played
during that time period, probably like the S I three TI,
s I G two, like in that kind of time
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frame of the late nineties early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So what was the name where the hozzle? What?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, most of the hozzles are plastic, but it was
plastic hozzle.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I called it.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I ping's probably not gonna like it looked like a
Folger's tin can on a stick, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
To say driver.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
They almost ring with my entire life. What's the name
of that one? It was really thin face?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The is I?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I think it was? I?
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I Y And I remember I was playing the Hunt
a couple of years later, it was probably like ninety nine,
and I pulled the driver on a par five out
of a bunker and I hit it on the green
made eagle come on, yeah, fairway bunker shot.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I hit driver on it, I mean off the ground.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I could do anything with it. And I finally cracked it,
but under the soule plate. And yeah, the soule plate
finally just fell off. But that thing was amazing as
the best driver I ever hit. But what it was
so stupid is we played everything so uh firm and heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I guess maybe because the ball moved more.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
So maybe you know, we're using equipment where we're trying
not to make the ball move as much. Now the
ball doesn't move and you're trying to make it move.
So I think people play probably softer shafts and things
like that. But we were playing telephone poles. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Everyone used to go, oh lump, you're still with the
low launch, and I'm kind of old school.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Once I have something, I hold on to it. I
hold on to it. I hold on to it, and
it's hard for me to give it up. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Uh, there's a guy out here, Steve Flesh. He'll put
anything in at any time.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He change the score by one. He's into it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I totally know what you mean, which is awesome.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I mean, I wish I had that kind of mentality,
but so but anyways, that was awesome. They had some
awesome three woods, and they kind of I think ping
really started getting things more upright and and things like
that to try to take the slice out of the game.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's pretty impressive on what I've seen, But I think.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I was one of the last guys to play Io's
and a Caddy finally said, you know, there's a lot
of good stuff out there, maybe, and I forgot what
I switched to. I switched to, Oh, you know what,
I switched to the first forge ping irons.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh the answer, Yeah, I actually actually was that's right.
I designed that iron, you remember, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
That, I'm like, wow, I'm hitting at least a club longer.
That's pretty awesome. So now I'm messing with shafts because
I've been playing well, I used to be like seven. Oh,
now I'm six. So now I'm almost thinking five to
five and then graph fight. I do have the new
blueprints with a graph fight. It's just a little harder
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to time the irons. I've played so heavy for so long. Yeah, yeah,
maybe you might have some good advice. I'm trying to
help my hands out right, but I'm I want the
heavy hit, but I want when it's cold, I want
to be able to feel it, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah there, Yeah, steel fiber is a good option. If
you tried the steel fiber, it's it's literally half graph
I have steel.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
No, that's what I have. Fiber, That's what I have. Yeah,
it's good. The one ten.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, that's a good That's what I was gonna say, Tim,
That's that's a good one to try to kind of
give you that in between.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Come on here and I get advice. I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
We're trying to help out golfers in some capacity, even
if they're professional golfers. You said you're a bit of
an old school golfer. What's the oldest club you currently
have in your bag? Well, I'm still playing two tens.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I still haven't gotten over the you know, to the
blueprint or whatever, and my my son plays that one,
so we were always messing around.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But I'm like ready to go to the steel fiber.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I was thinking maybe going to five to five and
then and then maybe steel fiber, but I think I'm
ready for the steel fiber.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And I'm playing the four hundred driver, but I have
a driver that goes twelve years farther. But now I'm
at Firestone, so I'm gonna wait until the next week
to maybe put that one out, which is the ten K.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I can't remember all the names, but the ten.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
K yeah, yeah, And then I heard there might be
there's some rumblin like there coming out of a really
fast one, so we'll see. Lumpy. What about putters? You got?
You got three putters and the gold putter Vault. All
answers have you have you been? I know now I
think you're using using the time or prime time. But
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what were you traditionally an answer putter most of your
career so far?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I used to be, so I was probably the third
guy to claw they called the claw. Yes, that might
have been like ninety nine, so I kind of had
a little flinch issue back in the nineties and the
claw kind of save all the way through two thousands, right,
so yeah, it's been uh, it's been great. So then
I kind of went more mallet, but all the wins
(21:41):
were answers. Yeah, maybe I should go back, but it
looks weird an answer, but my son buds with an answer,
so really, yeah, it's a little better.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Was Calc the first player that you remember doing the claw?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, it's DeMarco.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
DeMarco was the original DeMarco.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hip Kendall.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Skip Kendall taught DeMarco how to do it, okay, Skip Kendel,
then he putted unbelievable Skip Kendall.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, and then I think.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
DeMarco showed it to Kelc and then kind of Calc
showed it to man and then people started doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, I mean DeMarco called it the gator, right, he
wouldn't call it the claw because he wanted to give
a shout out to Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
He would not call it the claw. He called it
gatored his way nearly to a green jacket, that's.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
For sure, of course, the Gator.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, christ you gotta love that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You've talked a lot about your son's game. So we
Marty and I both have kids. They're younger than your son.
But you know, Marty's kids are kind of now competing
in drive, chip and putt.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Mine are a little bit younger.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm in the stage of trying to get him in
golf and get him interested. How is it being an
accomplished player, obviously, somebody that's win multiple times on the
PGA Tour as a golf dad of somebody that's obviously
good enough to play collegiate golf and compete in in
big time state events, actually play pro golf.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
It's uh, it's a lot of golf. I'm gonna I'm
gonna admit it's a lot of golf.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm trying to get away from the game and they're
trying to play, So I try to do a mix.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But you know what, the practice is way more fun.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So like when I get I have too eighteen year
olds that are gonna go away and play golf as
freshmen this year, and they're gonna try to get on
some teams and and it's just kind of camaraderie wise.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We go out on the range and.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
We all can't hit balls, and some go pot and
if I need to chip, I'll go over and chip
with them, And so it's kind of fun that way.
I understand the game enough to where it's a hard game.
I look at more of their attitude, which I'd say
in college I probably didn't have the best attitude either,
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so so I don't it's not really the score whatever,
it's kind of more of the process.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And that's kind of what I teach them.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I'm I'm like, you know, get your mind out of
the gutter a little bit, and you know, get thinking
right and get the process right.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You have no chance of your thinking negative thoughts.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You got to think some positive yeah, even though it's
a tough, tough game. But I kind of wanted to
go to like football games and stuff like that. Now
I'm on the golf all the time.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It should have been so good man, they would have
They wouldn't have wanted to be like dad, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I want to be a dad. Let's go to
old miss games. But no, it works out great, and
you know what, it's gonna be something that we have
all together the rest of our lives. Even if I'm
not playing, I'm still around it with them, So it's
gonna it's it's awesome. It's just I just hope they
know how hard it is and when I did it
back in the nineties compared to what it is now.
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I mean, the lifespan is gonna be so much shorter,
and you could be a heck of a player and
it'll just be harder and harder for.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You to get back on.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I mean, I felt like I could have kind of
have a poor year and still over the hump and
have a decent year the next year and kind of
get right back in the top fifty in the world
or something like that. Yeah, now it's hard. I mean,
it takes a year to get back. So if you
have a bad year, so I mean it's difficult. I mean,
you better bring it when when when you're called up
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to the main tour.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, it's a really good point. Lo, I haven't given
that much thought, you know, just your life, like the
golfer's lifespan. Now you know their career span, I guess
it's going to be shorter and shorter. That's a really
good point.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
And I just talked to a caddye that just went
out and caddied for Daniel Berger and he he said
instead that he goes back in the nineties, there's always
two good college players that'd come out.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Now there's like eight.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, and if one just has a bad year, they're
not probably playing the next year. They got to go
all the way through the corn Ferry to get their
card back. Yeah, So it takes a whole year to
get get back out there.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So it's it's a different animal. You know.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I'm glad I did it when I did it because
I had almost a twenty year career.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Well, you know, Tim, you bring up a great point
about like the mentality of the young players. I host
all the Corn Ferry coverage on Golf Channel and talk
to a lot of these players, and it's very interesting
in the windows right now for the post collegiate players
because some through PJ Tour you and opportunities through sponsors
get PJ Tour opportunities or corn Fairy tour opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Right out of the gate, and it's either they make
it right away.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Like what you saw with Tiger in ninety six ninety seven,
or as you mentioned, they've got to go through basically
like a two year re route to go through you know,
corn Ferry, or maybe they go to Europe for a bit,
or they have to figure out a new path to
get back to the PGA Tour. But it's either they
jump right in and it's successful right away. We've seen
a lot of that this year and last year with
some of these young players, or you're talking two or
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three years before they get that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Again.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It's very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, so I have a question kind of, I mean,
how does it work with Canton? Right? Is that the
kid's name that second John Deere?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, I mean I think he finished when he finished
like third and second the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, two top tens.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
But he's a he's so I believe those points can't
apply if he goes if he turns professional. But again
it's it's it's like you're doing that as an amateur,
you know, I mean, you can get these points. The
same thing could happened with Korn Ferry and Pjdre last
year where there was some issues with players that are
playing in US opens and they weren't getting the opportunity
at corn Fairy Tour event. They're trying to make it
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a little bit easier for people that show that much potential.
But yeah, again, let's say he turns pro and doesn't
have the success that he had these two weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It might be and now it uphill battles.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
So it's just it's like the lightning strikes and you
got to jump on it right away, right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, he should have cashed in, he should turn pro.
I don't know. I think you He goes to Florida State,
so I'm sure he'll be Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I mean, it's gonna give him confidence, like he can
do this again, you know what I mean? But like
what you said, yeah, cash and cashing on, right, because
you don't know how long the window is and these
guys are swinging so hard. You don't know how you know, tweak,
you know, you get a slip disc.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Or something like that, you don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Ye, So yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting next
few years to see how the the game grows because
there's market more kids coming out.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh bit, what else have you been to outside of golf?
You talked about doing other things outside of golf, but
how do you spend your time up there in Minnesota,
you know, different seasons and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I do like to fish.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I haven't fished much, but I like to fish. I
kind of I have a fishing probably five years. I
didn't go out ice fishing this year. I usually go
out a couple times a year. But you know, I'm
on the golf course. If I'm not playing, I'm watching
my kids. So I'm watching a lot of golf. So
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that's kind of what I do. I like being outside
and walking the dog and and doing things like that.
But yeah, you know, like go to concerts and sporting
events and things like that, or at least watching them.
And I spend a little time in Arizona now, So
I'm gonna be an empty next year. You guys have
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a ways to go. But yeah, it's another a life
you turn and try to figure that one out. So
I'm gonna spend a little time in Arizona and some
time in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And Tim when you were playing, you would spend most
of the time in Minnesota still, right, even in the winter,
you practice up there in the.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Winter, Yeah, I wouldn't practice much up there. I'm not
a big hit offf Matt type guy. Even I know
there's a lot of places and I think they can
dial it in, but you know, as a professional, you
gotta get it. You know, you want to know how
the turf interaction and how the ball's coming off, you know,
with iron and the turf and things like that. I
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think Matts have a trampoline, but I think for most
amateurs they can narrow it in there and find you
the best equipment possible. But I'm not a big ball
beater on Mats. Yeah, I like getting it off the turf.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, same same, yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I'll mean I'll do like three foot putting grills for
like an hour off artificial turf just to kind of
get the path right. So like when I do go
south to practice, it's one less thing and I have
to do.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Do you still do you still claw it?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I still clot.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Still kind of mess around where my hands are going
to be, you know, weaken them or or you know,
shut out whatever, But yeah, I still clawed. I'm gonna
clad I think for a long time, Aman, I've tried
a little bit of the you know up here and
do the.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Uh not anchoring, But what do they even call it?
I don't know. It looks does it well?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
But I everyone else does it well. I'm not very
good at it. Mentional, my friggin stroke looks great and
I can't make a putt, so it doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
This is this is a little known tidbit Shane and
Tim that we just ran some stats as best we
could estimate it because people switch techniques. But there's a
higher percentage of players on the PGA Tour hutting with
the broomstick than the Champions Tour. Come on, really, yes, yes,
like right now, I mean think all the younger players
hut with the broomstick. It's like approaching ten percent broomstick
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on the PG less than ten percent on the Champions.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Do you think USG kind of dropped the ball on
like they're trying to get rid of it, and they didn't.
They left a little door open, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I'll say, I mean, no matter what technique I mean,
I use, I don't think Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I think you help grow the game and if that
helps grow the game, so be it. I think we
have to get I think a lot of clubs. And
I know you're proud of your golf course because how
hard it is and stuff, But yeah, hard isn't necessarily.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Fun, you know what I mean? Wouldn't you know? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I just the mentality is, you know, these guys are good.
They're gonna shoot low almost any any given day, right,
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Tim, You've played with a ton of great players. You've
watched a ton of great players over the years and
over the decades.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Who when your walking.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
The range, either in your younger years, your prime even
into PGA Tour champions, who kind of stopped you in
your tracks as you're seeing somebody either hit balls, make
a sound that it was kind of Tiger Adam Scott,
Like who kind of stopped you?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And who?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Either who is this guy? Or Wow, that looks different?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think it's I'd say VJ.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Tiger and Ernie Els had something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like VJ had.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Man he could hit some shots and I played a
lot with them when he won.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think he won eight times yep that year nine title.
Lot crazy, Yeah, nine times.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, and Tiger freaking amazing, And I think that was
back in the nineties and early two thousands and then,
I mean there's some guys that were really good. Now
I mean this Steven Ams absolutely flushes it. So, yeah,
he's fun to listen to when you're hitting balls next
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to him. Sounds it always sounds pretty good. No cliking
going on over there.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It's in the kind of in the middle of the face.
It's kind of where you're supposed to hit it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, exactly, It's always been in the middle of the face.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, Tim, Before we go, can you just talk about
your relationship with Ping over the years, because obviously it
kind of dates back to the New Mexico days. How
it's been partnering with Ping, How it's been kind of
watching the company grow as your career has grown.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, Ping's been a great company to be with.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I've been with Ping for well, you know, since college,
so I've been playing the Irons ever since. Would never
even think about playing another another Iron. They got so
many different options, and you know, just the people are
great too. You know, the company's really grown. I don't
know everyone. I mean, I remember back in in the
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early nineties, I kind of knew everyone, and I know
lou Bebe's still around, so that's.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Always yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, lou Beby. He's the best.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But no, you know, just to watch Ping through, you know,
the bad times and the good times, and they've they've
you know, they've made it through all the bad times
and now they're they're a great company, great family and
uh just proud to be part of the Ping family.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And Christian Penya. I mean, I got to give it
up for Christian. I've known Christian.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I've known Christian since college and I had to babysit
his little brother a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Is his short game as good as people say it is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tim oh man, he's smooth. You just ask him. He smooth. No, No,
you know what. He was a He was a flusher too.
He yes, he hit it. He hit it really good.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
If you don't play a lot, and you know you're
in your mid upper fifties, you know, it takes a toll.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You gotta feel okay that day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
But I played with him last year and we had
a blasts from the past.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
We had.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Kind of his team, Rob mcguiver, I was the only
new Mexico guy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
It was Rob mcguiver and Harry Rudolph and myself. So
we had a great time. We played outitor uh Phoenix
kind of you know what, and Christian hit it good.
I think we're team. We're on the same team. I
think we broke even I had a putt, yeah, six
footer that I missed the last ale to beat him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But we had a great time.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
He hits that big high he hits up on the
driver like eight nine degrees, sneaky long, big sweep and draw.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
You know he's like family too, right, He's he's a
family guy.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
He's all paying.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
He's been a pang forever too, so it's really cool
to be part of the family.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, Tim, listen, we really appreciate the time. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Good luck this week, play well, make some potts, do
all the stuff that Marty has been doing this summer,
and we'll be rooting for you and we'll check back
with you soon.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
All right, guys, Yeah, let's do it again.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I appreciate it. Tim
The guys from Ping.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I just love that I can hit any shot I
kind of want.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty, we got a
legend with us today, a living legend in the golf space.
Tim Haren joining us and Tim were fired up to
have you a part of the podcast. I know you've
been a part of the Pink family for a long
long time. I wanted to start with family because you're
a guy that grew up in an extremely competitive golf family.
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When did you start playing? When did you get introduced to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The golf to golf?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Do you know how old you were when when you
were kind of introduced initially to the game.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, probably seven years old.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'd go out and play like three holes of my
dad after he was done with work and right before dinner,
kind of run the dogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So it was kind of always fun.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
And then probably at ten I started catting for my
dad pretty cheap.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I guess I was probably cheap labor for him.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So yeah, ten, probably fifteen, and then started working in
the golf business. I worked for a pro at a
club where my dad was actually at. So yeah, so
I've kind of always been around the game.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Was your dad a pro player? What was his what's
his background?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
He was a pro for he was a pro for
about a year.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
He was a life insurance salesman, so he could get
out and play a lot of golf.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's always so interesting to talk to people that have
these kind of golf families, like the Knies for instance, right,
I mean these people that grew up, you know, around
the game, but growing up very competitively. I mean your
sister great player, I mean very very competitive, played a
whole bunch of great golf tournaments. I know, she won
a lot of big events in her day. You know,
you know, you talked about your dad being so involved
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in golf, your granddad being so involved in golf. Once
you got into it, was it instantaneously competitive?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was it one of those things.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That right off the bat you went, oh my goodness,
I got to play against these people that take the
game relatively seriously.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, I think, well, my sister's younger than I am,
but I don't know. I think I probably beat my
dad at like fourteen or fifteen, and then I kind
of I shot up and then.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We're three four years apart.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You know, my sister was good, and then I kind
of went to college and played national things, and she's
went in state amateurs and stayed opens and things like that.
And then I caddied four in the midamter and that's
pretty much our only ustre event in the family. So she,
you know, she gave me a trophy on that her
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bib she framed. So that's what I got down above
the pool table.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Tim my wife actually played golf Fort New Mexico and
Albuquerque on the golf team there. I want to know
how in the world you ended up there, ended up
making your way to Albuquerque.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
So I got a scholarship either at University of Minnesota,
New Mexico or a SU, and AESU started eighty.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
By the time I was going to sign it was ten.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
My dad says, now you're not going there, and I
wanted to go south. I just didn't know it snowed
more in Albuquerque than it was Minnesota, but it's gone
the next day, right, So I didn't know it was
like high desert, but it worked out great. I was
John Field's first recruit with actually Christian's brother. I was
Christian's brother's college roommate. And it's kind of how I
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got there. I knew John threw a pro that taught
me how to play an assistant pro and John Field's
actually worked for him before he got the.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
New Mexico job. Yeah, that's kind of how I got
down there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Christian kanea the head of our tour department from from
New Mexico.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Exactly like Blend, New Mexico. And Jason, his brother, was
my college roommate master here and there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, so you guys were playing you and him South
was there at the time, and you guys that was
your home track.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah. Now my oldest son plays there.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh nice. Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, it was kind of during COVID.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
He didn't really have a place to go, so we
decided New Mexico is a good spot, and he's had
a pretty good college career down there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Mumpy, did you take a liking to the Mexican food
there in the green Chili?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I did, And when I go back and visit my son.
I don't eat as much Mexican food. I eat the
green chili, so I'll put like green chili on a burger, yeah,
or like even a pizza, right, yep.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But the actual Mexican food, that's a little tough on me.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Now, Shane, have you spent any time in Albuquerque eating
the food there?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So I I was gonna say, for people that don't
know about New Mexico, Mexican food way spicier than what
you're traditionally run into when you eat Mexican food anywhere
else in the country or beyond. I think that's one
of the really unique things about New Mexico. There's a
couple of restaurants, Marty and Phoenix most Os. I'm sure
you've been to it multiple times. You got to bring
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a towel. You gotta dat the forehead as you're eating
through that stuff, because it is absolutely no joke.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But yes, Tim, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
As we get a little bit older, I'm not sure
it's the Mexican food there that you want to be
taken down like midday when you got golf ahead of Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Allball Richardson's have you been down and in Arizona, in Phoenix,
I have not been awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Now Richardson's a little New Mexican too, Okay, okay, well
that's good.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I have to check it out. So you played college
golf in New Mexico. I mean, obviously you were an
extremely good amateur player and good junior player. When did
it flip from I'm good too, I've got potential to
really do this for a living. I've got potential to
make a Walker Cup team, things like that. When did
your game really kind of turn for what would become
your career?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean I had potential my freshman year, became
honorable mentioned my sophomore year, and then first team All
American and my last two, and then I kind of
knew right there, college wise is good enough to turn
pro and give it a try. So, you know, I
missed out a first stage right out. And then I
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came back and graduated and was assistant coach for a semester,
and then I went out and played Australia, Canada Mini Tours,
did the whole thing, and.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Got my Nike card, which is corn Fairy.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yep in ninety five, and then in ninety six I
got my card and I won my seventh event on tour,
so it you know, I remember the Honda, the one
that I won that I was trying to do a
rain dance that all the rain would come in because
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it was supposed to be nasty, and we played all
day in it. But what happened and was that I
played all day and I won the tournament. And I
think that kind of propelled knowing that I could stand
tour for quite a long time. Because I finished four rounds,
they didn't give it to me.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Tim, I wanted to ask real quick before we get
into the pro stuff. I was looking at the Walker
Cup you played at a ninety three, and I didn't
realize that it was played in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
How special was it?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
How big of a goal was it for you that
year to make that Walker Cup team? Considering where the
event was being hosted. I can only imagine for you
it was like a pinchbe moment to be wearing red,
white and blue, playing in the state that you basically
grew up in.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It was really awesome, but it was nerve wracking now
looking back. It was extremely just unbelievable experience and memories.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I remember Alan Doyle was a buddy of mine. I
remember asking him if he wanted to be partners and
he took. He took Justin Leonard and I was with
John Harris, who was actually another player from Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He won the US Amitur that year.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And yeah, we actually defeated some English boys, so it
was good.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Do you remember who you played in that first singles match?
Do you remember who?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Who? You know? I played singles? I played Patty Harrington?
Beat him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I had a baby. You beat him one up, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The other two was Van and.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yep, yep, Van Van was the Van was the matchup.
You won that one.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You guys were running away with this thing, but you
won that three and two. So it was a good
It was a good Walker Cup for you as well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Great Walker Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I you mentioned, you know, your your your your playing
partners didn't want to hit all the woods. I was
going back and I looked at some of your early
PJ tour stats and you were way up there in
driving distance. I wasn't aware of that. You know, you
were in the top five, top ten and driving distance. Yeah,
you know, and back then did.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It almost ten years? Eight years?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah? And back then obviously they didn't have the shot
link and how far you are from the middle of
the fairway and this type of stuff. Did you kind
of feel like you had the ould strokes game driving
figured out, like better to hit it far than did
a ton of fairways before everyone else.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
No, my Caddy was a little old school, so I
just remember watching Phil going, I'm just gonna try to
hit as far. I remember him having arguments with Butch harmon.
Butch goes, I can get your swing a little tighter,
you can hit it more consistent, and he goes, no, man,
I want to hit as far as I can. And
I just kind of back and forth. If I need
(09:36):
to contend in the Major, I need to hit a
little straighter. That doesn't mean hitting irons off the tee
all the time. I just need to hit the driver
a little straighter. But I think whenever, when the body
starts slowing down a little bit, I could I could
time it a little better. So maybe when I got
fat and ole, actually I actually hit it straighter and
not as far.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You know, it's so interesting to hear you say that
about Phil because obviously now the modern and Marty was
kind of touching on this but the modern mentality of
players is hit driver all over the place and go
and find it. I mean, no event is better illuminated
to that point than what we saw in twenty twenty
Win Bryson, Win and wing Foot and he basically said,
I'm gonna aim for half of the fairway and the rough,
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like I do not care where the driver goes.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I remember there was an Open Championship years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
VJ.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Singh was last in the field and fairways hit and
first in the field in greens and regulation. I feel
like VJ was a bit ahead of his time and
that stat as well. What players outside of Phil Nicholson
were you looking at? Going the way this guy plays
makes maybe a bit more sense than what people are
telling me to do.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I think you're correct on that VJ saying if he
was in between clubs, he'd always pull out a driver.
He always tried to say, as aggressive as he could,
and he was so strong and Tiger Woods, well you'd
see Tiger back off, like getting the British Opens and
stuff like that. Yeah, because he could hit that stinger.
All you need to do is get in the fairway.
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Because he was such a.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Good iron player, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
But I think a lot of guys used their length
to an advantage, like a VJ.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Singh.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I remember, I'm at Firestone right now playing the Senior.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The Senior I don't even know that.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I think it's our Tour Championship anyways, I'm playing with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I remember playing with VJ.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
One round when he won it, and he pulled out
driver every hole and just tried to drive it up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
As far as he could.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Figure, if you're going to hit it in the craft,
he might as well be closer to the green.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah. Yeah, it was fun going back and look at
some of your stats, Lumpy from before the shot Link era.
You know, way down there in driving distance. Your driving
accuracy was like you know, but your greens and regulation
was super high, you know.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, it's always a pretty good iron player mid irons,
especially like part threes and stuff. That felt like I
could take advantage on part three's and get up there
on part fives. I think I'm a much better wedge
player now since I've been playing the Champions Tour.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, the last five years than I have.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Out on and now I carry like four wedges where
I used to only carry three because I felt like
some of the weapons or one irons back in the
day and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Stuff like that. Now you can't even get the ball
in the air with a one iron, But I remember
the pick one iron. Right, you still have like twelve
of them at home.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
What what was it like? I feel like you played
in the very interesting time. You got on tour right
before Tiger, Right, you won some Germans and then he
came on the scene.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Actually we're rookies the same year, but he only played
half less than half the year, and he got Rookie
of the Year and I won that year too.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I think it worked out all right for everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Tiger wents coattails a little bit, you know what I mean.
But I'm like, he didn't play. Should he really be
Rookie of the Year?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Should he be that?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I always get he remembers me beating him in the
US Ham and I go, you know what, I'll give
you that US amateur if you just give me one
of those major trophies, just one you got fifteen or
whatever of them, just one of them.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You beat him in the year before he won the
three in a row.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, I beat him.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
He was still in Yeah, he was still in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And the funniest part about the story is Brian Gay.
We're looking at the brackets, is Brian Gay, Jonathan Kay
And they're like, oh, Tiger's in your bracket. I wouldn't
want to play him. So I won Tiger one and
now I got to play him. I'm like, why do
these guys have to put it on me?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And I actually, uh, I played pretty good and beat him,
beat him up pretty good. But where was that one
at Lumby Mierfield?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh yeah, Mierfield Village? Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean like, like, we're not this isn't a historian podcast.
But I think there's an argument to me that might
be the only match he lost in a USGA championship,
or one of maybe two because obviously.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We people say, I don't know, I haven't really gone
through the archives, but I think he.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Might have lost too, you know, I think he lost.
I think he played in two ams.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
He didn't win when he won those juniors, and then
played obviously in the three one. So there's your Jeopardy answer.
Is is Tim Harrot whenever anybody wants to answer that.
By the way, Marty's mentioned it a couple times.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I know you've answered this question two billion times in
your career, but can you tell us the lumpy nickname story?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Pleaser?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
All right?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yes, So that golf course that I worked at my
first So the golf shop was a little separated from
the clubhouse and the driving rangers down this hill and
I walked in. They go what's your name? And I go,
Tim Harron. I actually knew the pro but this is
some pros kind of giving me some grief, right, So he.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Goes, well, do you have a nickname? I go no,
I don't have a nickname.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
He goes, why didn't he go down and pick the
range and we'll we'll have a nickname for you when
he come up. So I go down there for about
forty five minutes an hour, clean the range up, come
back up and they go, hey, Lumpy, how are you doing.
How do you like your nickname? I go out on,
don't really like it? And it's been lumpy ever since.
So that's my nickname.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
What did it?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
What did it derive from? Were you doing something weird
picking the range?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Like we're They just thought I always kind of look
frumpy lumpy, you know what I mean? Okay, And there
was actually a kid in high school that was nicknamed Lumpy.
So I wasn't even lumpy in high school. It was
all around the golf community. I wasn't even lumpy in college.
I thought I got rid of it until I was
winning my first tournament in ninety six and the pro's
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brother played on the Champions Tour and knew Dave Mar
really well, and Dave.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Goes, do you know anything about this kid from Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
We need something on this kid, you know, put on air,
and they go he said, well, his nickname is Lumpy.
So then that came out, you know, with Johnny Miller
and Dave Mar and that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I've been Lumpier ever since. So it is what
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Just got to stick with it, Yeah, totally. If you
try to fight it, it only gets worse.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Lumpy, What you were a drake, great driver, the golf
ball hit it far, you know, kind of when you
first came on the scene. What were some of your
favorite getting into some equipment things like, what were some
of your most memorable or kind of drivers you played
during that time period, probably like the S I three TI,
s I G two, like in that kind of time
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frame of the late nineties early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So what was the name where the hozzle? What?
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Well, most of the hozzles are plastic, but it was
plastic hozzle.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I called it.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I ping's probably not gonna like it looked like a
Folger's tin can on a stick, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
To say driver.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
They almost ring with my entire life. What's the name
of that one? It was really thin face?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The is I?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I think it was? I?
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I Y And I remember I was playing the Hunt
a couple of years later, it was probably like ninety nine,
and I pulled the driver on a par five out
of a bunker and I hit it on the green
made eagle come on, yeah, fairway bunker shot.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I hit driver on it, I mean off the ground.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I could do anything with it. And I finally cracked it,
but under the soule plate. And yeah, the soule plate
finally just fell off. But that thing was amazing as
the best driver I ever hit. But what it was
so stupid is we played everything so uh firm and heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I guess maybe because the ball moved more.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
So maybe you know, we're using equipment where we're trying
not to make the ball move as much. Now the
ball doesn't move and you're trying to make it move.
So I think people play probably softer shafts and things
like that. But we were playing telephone poles. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Everyone used to go, oh lump, you're still with the
low launch, and I'm kind of old school.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Once I have something, I hold on to it. I
hold on to it. I hold on to it, and
it's hard for me to give it up. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Uh, there's a guy out here, Steve Flesh. He'll put
anything in at any time.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He change the score by one. He's into it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I totally know what you mean, which is awesome.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I mean, I wish I had that kind of mentality,
but so but anyways, that was awesome. They had some
awesome three woods, and they kind of I think ping
really started getting things more upright and and things like
that to try to take the slice out of the game.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's pretty impressive on what I've seen, But I think.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I was one of the last guys to play Io's
and a Caddy finally said, you know, there's a lot
of good stuff out there, maybe, and I forgot what
I switched to. I switched to, Oh, you know what,
I switched to the first forge ping irons.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh the answer, Yeah, I actually actually was that's right.
I designed that iron, you remember, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
That, I'm like, wow, I'm hitting at least a club longer.
That's pretty awesome. So now I'm messing with shafts because
I've been playing well, I used to be like seven. Oh,
now I'm six. So now I'm almost thinking five to
five and then graph fight. I do have the new
blueprints with a graph fight. It's just a little harder
(19:25):
to time the irons. I've played so heavy for so long. Yeah, yeah,
maybe you might have some good advice. I'm trying to
help my hands out right, but I'm I want the
heavy hit, but I want when it's cold, I want
to be able to feel it, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah there, Yeah, steel fiber is a good option. If
you tried the steel fiber, it's it's literally half graph
I have steel.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
No, that's what I have. Fiber, That's what I have. Yeah,
it's good. The one ten.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, that's a good That's what I was gonna say, Tim,
That's that's a good one to try to kind of
give you that in between.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Come on here and I get advice. I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
We're trying to help out golfers in some capacity, even
if they're professional golfers. You said you're a bit of
an old school golfer. What's the oldest club you currently
have in your bag? Well, I'm still playing two tens.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I still haven't gotten over the you know, to the
blueprint or whatever, and my my son plays that one,
so we were always messing around.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But I'm like ready to go to the steel fiber.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I was thinking maybe going to five to five and
then and then maybe steel fiber, but I think I'm
ready for the steel fiber.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And I'm playing the four hundred driver, but I have
a driver that goes twelve years farther. But now I'm
at Firestone, so I'm gonna wait until the next week
to maybe put that one out, which is the ten K.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I can't remember all the names, but the ten.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
K yeah, yeah, And then I heard there might be
there's some rumblin like there coming out of a really
fast one, so we'll see. Lumpy. What about putters? You got?
You got three putters and the gold putter Vault. All
answers have you have you been? I know now I
think you're using using the time or prime time. But
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what were you traditionally an answer putter most of your
career so far?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I used to be, so I was probably the third
guy to claw they called the claw. Yes, that might
have been like ninety nine, so I kind of had
a little flinch issue back in the nineties and the
claw kind of save all the way through two thousands, right,
so yeah, it's been uh, it's been great. So then
I kind of went more mallet, but all the wins
(21:41):
were answers. Yeah, maybe I should go back, but it
looks weird an answer, but my son buds with an answer,
so really, yeah, it's a little better.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Was Calc the first player that you remember doing the claw?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, it's DeMarco.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
DeMarco was the original DeMarco.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Hip Kendall.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Skip Kendall taught DeMarco how to do it, okay, Skip Kendel,
then he putted unbelievable Skip Kendall.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, and then I think.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
DeMarco showed it to Kelc and then kind of Calc
showed it to man and then people started doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Well, I mean DeMarco called it the gator, right, he
wouldn't call it the claw because he wanted to give
a shout out to Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
He would not call it the claw. He called it
gatored his way nearly to a green jacket, that's.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
For sure, of course, the Gator.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Yeah, christ you gotta love that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You've talked a lot about your son's game. So we
Marty and I both have kids. They're younger than your son.
But you know, Marty's kids are kind of now competing
in drive, chip and putt.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Mine are a little bit younger.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I'm in the stage of trying to get him in
golf and get him interested. How is it being an
accomplished player, obviously, somebody that's win multiple times on the
PGA Tour as a golf dad of somebody that's obviously
good enough to play collegiate golf and compete in in
big time state events, actually play pro golf.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
It's uh, it's a lot of golf. I'm gonna I'm
gonna admit it's a lot of golf.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm trying to get away from the game and they're
trying to play, So I try to do a mix.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
But you know what, the practice is way more fun.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
So like when I get I have too eighteen year
olds that are gonna go away and play golf as
freshmen this year, and they're gonna try to get on
some teams and and it's just kind of camaraderie wise.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We go out on the range and.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
We all can't hit balls, and some go pot and
if I need to chip, I'll go over and chip
with them, And so it's kind of fun that way.
I understand the game enough to where it's a hard game.
I look at more of their attitude, which I'd say
in college I probably didn't have the best attitude either,
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so so I don't it's not really the score whatever,
it's kind of more of the process.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And that's kind of what I teach them.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I'm I'm like, you know, get your mind out of
the gutter a little bit, and you know, get thinking
right and get the process right.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You have no chance of your thinking negative thoughts.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You got to think some positive yeah, even though it's
a tough, tough game. But I kind of wanted to
go to like football games and stuff like that. Now
I'm on the golf all the time.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It should have been so good man, they would have
They wouldn't have wanted to be like dad, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I want to be a dad. Let's go to
old miss games. But no, it works out great, and
you know what, it's gonna be something that we have
all together the rest of our lives. Even if I'm
not playing, I'm still around it with them, So it's
gonna it's it's awesome. It's just I just hope they
know how hard it is and when I did it
back in the nineties compared to what it is now.
(24:46):
I mean, the lifespan is gonna be so much shorter,
and you could be a heck of a player and
it'll just be harder and harder for.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You to get back on.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I mean, I felt like I could have kind of
have a poor year and still over the hump and
have a decent year the next year and kind of
get right back in the top fifty in the world
or something like that. Yeah, now it's hard. I mean,
it takes a year to get back. So if you
have a bad year, so I mean it's difficult. I mean,
you better bring it when when when you're called up
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to the main tour.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, it's a really good point. Lo, I haven't given
that much thought, you know, just your life, like the
golfer's lifespan. Now you know their career span, I guess
it's going to be shorter and shorter. That's a really
good point.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
And I just talked to a caddye that just went
out and caddied for Daniel Berger and he he said
instead that he goes back in the nineties, there's always
two good college players that'd come out.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Now there's like eight.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, and if one just has a bad year, they're
not probably playing the next year. They got to go
all the way through the corn Ferry to get their
card back. Yeah, So it takes a whole year to
get get back out there.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So it's it's a different animal. You know.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I'm glad I did it when I did it because
I had almost a twenty year career.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Well, you know, Tim, you bring up a great point
about like the mentality of the young players. I host
all the Corn Ferry coverage on Golf Channel and talk
to a lot of these players, and it's very interesting
in the windows right now for the post collegiate players
because some through PJ Tour you and opportunities through sponsors
get PJ Tour opportunities or corn Fairy tour opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Right out of the gate, and it's either they make
it right away.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Like what you saw with Tiger in ninety six ninety seven,
or as you mentioned, they've got to go through basically
like a two year re route to go through you know,
corn Ferry, or maybe they go to Europe for a bit,
or they have to figure out a new path to
get back to the PGA Tour. But it's either they
jump right in and it's successful right away. We've seen
a lot of that this year and last year with
some of these young players, or you're talking two or
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three years before they get that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Again.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It's very very interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, so I have a question kind of, I mean,
how does it work with Canton? Right? Is that the
kid's name that second John Deere?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, I mean I think he finished when he finished
like third and second the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, two top tens.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
But he's a he's so I believe those points can't
apply if he goes if he turns professional. But again
it's it's it's like you're doing that as an amateur,
you know, I mean, you can get these points. The
same thing could happened with Korn Ferry and Pjdre last
year where there was some issues with players that are
playing in US opens and they weren't getting the opportunity
at corn Fairy Tour event. They're trying to make it
(27:28):
a little bit easier for people that show that much potential.
But yeah, again, let's say he turns pro and doesn't
have the success that he had these two weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It might be and now it uphill battles.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
So it's just it's like the lightning strikes and you
got to jump on it right away, right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, he should have cashed in, he should turn pro.
I don't know. I think you He goes to Florida State,
so I'm sure he'll be Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I mean, it's gonna give him confidence, like he can
do this again, you know what I mean? But like
what you said, yeah, cash and cashing on, right, because
you don't know how long the window is and these
guys are swinging so hard. You don't know how you know, tweak,
you know, you get a slip disc.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Or something like that, you don't know.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Ye, So yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting next
few years to see how the the game grows because
there's market more kids coming out.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh bit, what else have you been to outside of golf?
You talked about doing other things outside of golf, but
how do you spend your time up there in Minnesota,
you know, different seasons and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I do like to fish.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I haven't fished much, but I like to fish. I
kind of I have a fishing probably five years. I
didn't go out ice fishing this year. I usually go
out a couple times a year. But you know, I'm
on the golf course. If I'm not playing, I'm watching
my kids. So I'm watching a lot of golf. So
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that's kind of what I do. I like being outside
and walking the dog and and doing things like that.
But yeah, you know, like go to concerts and sporting
events and things like that, or at least watching them.
And I spend a little time in Arizona now, So
I'm gonna be an empty next year. You guys have
(29:12):
a ways to go. But yeah, it's another a life
you turn and try to figure that one out. So
I'm gonna spend a little time in Arizona and some
time in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
And Tim when you were playing, you would spend most
of the time in Minnesota still, right, even in the winter,
you practice up there in the.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Winter, Yeah, I wouldn't practice much up there. I'm not
a big hit offf Matt type guy. Even I know
there's a lot of places and I think they can
dial it in, but you know, as a professional, you
gotta get it. You know, you want to know how
the turf interaction and how the ball's coming off, you know,
with iron and the turf and things like that. I
(29:51):
think Matts have a trampoline, but I think for most
amateurs they can narrow it in there and find you
the best equipment possible. But I'm not a big ball
beater on Mats. Yeah, I like getting it off the turf.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, same same, yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I'll mean I'll do like three foot putting grills for
like an hour off artificial turf just to kind of
get the path right. So like when I do go
south to practice, it's one less thing and I have
to do.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Do you still do you still claw it?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I still clot.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Still kind of mess around where my hands are going
to be, you know, weaken them or or you know,
shut out whatever, But yeah, I still clawed. I'm gonna
clad I think for a long time, Aman, I've tried
a little bit of the you know up here and
do the.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Uh not anchoring, But what do they even call it?
I don't know. It looks does it well?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
But I everyone else does it well. I'm not very
good at it. Mentional, my friggin stroke looks great and
I can't make a putt, so it doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
This is this is a little known tidbit Shane and
Tim that we just ran some stats as best we
could estimate it because people switch techniques. But there's a
higher percentage of players on the PGA Tour hutting with
the broomstick than the Champions Tour. Come on, really, yes, yes,
like right now, I mean think all the younger players
hut with the broomstick. It's like approaching ten percent broomstick
(31:26):
on the PG less than ten percent on the Champions.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Do you think USG kind of dropped the ball on
like they're trying to get rid of it, and they didn't.
They left a little door open, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, I'll say, I mean, no matter what technique I mean,
I use, I don't think Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I think you help grow the game and if that
helps grow the game, so be it. I think we
have to get I think a lot of clubs. And
I know you're proud of your golf course because how
hard it is and stuff, But yeah, hard isn't necessarily.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Fun, you know what I mean? Wouldn't you know? I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I just the mentality is, you know, these guys are good.
They're gonna shoot low almost any any given day, right,
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Tim, You've played with a ton of great players. You've
watched a ton of great players over the years and
over the decades.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Who when your walking.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
The range, either in your younger years, your prime even
into PGA Tour champions, who kind of stopped you in
your tracks as you're seeing somebody either hit balls, make
a sound that it was kind of Tiger Adam Scott,
Like who kind of stopped you?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And who?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Either who is this guy? Or Wow, that looks different?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think it's I'd say VJ.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Tiger and Ernie Els had something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like VJ had.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Man he could hit some shots and I played a
lot with them when he won.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think he won eight times yep that year nine title.
Lot crazy, Yeah, nine times.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, and Tiger freaking amazing, And I think that was
back in the nineties and early two thousands and then,
I mean there's some guys that were really good. Now
I mean this Steven Ams absolutely flushes it. So, yeah,
he's fun to listen to when you're hitting balls next
(33:26):
to him. Sounds it always sounds pretty good. No cliking
going on over there.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It's in the kind of in the middle of the face.
It's kind of where you're supposed to hit it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, exactly, It's always been in the middle of the face.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, Tim, Before we go, can you just talk about
your relationship with Ping over the years, because obviously it
kind of dates back to the New Mexico days. How
it's been partnering with Ping, How it's been kind of
watching the company grow as your career has grown.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, Ping's been a great company to be with.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I've been with Ping for well, you know, since college,
so I've been playing the Irons ever since. Would never
even think about playing another another Iron. They got so
many different options, and you know, just the people are
great too. You know, the company's really grown. I don't
know everyone. I mean, I remember back in in the
(34:14):
early nineties, I kind of knew everyone, and I know
lou Bebe's still around, so that's.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Always yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, lou Beby. He's the best.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But no, you know, just to watch Ping through, you know,
the bad times and the good times, and they've they've
you know, they've made it through all the bad times
and now they're they're a great company, great family and
uh just proud to be part of the Ping family.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And Christian Penya. I mean, I got to give it
up for Christian. I've known Christian.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I've known Christian since college and I had to babysit
his little brother a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Is his short game as good as people say it is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tim oh man, he's smooth. You just ask him. He smooth. No, No,
you know what. He was a He was a flusher too.
He yes, he hit it. He hit it really good.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
If you don't play a lot, and you know you're
in your mid upper fifties, you know, it takes a toll.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You gotta feel okay that day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
But I played with him last year and we had
a blasts from the past.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
We had.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Kind of his team, Rob mcguiver, I was the only
new Mexico guy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
It was Rob mcguiver and Harry Rudolph and myself. So
we had a great time. We played outitor uh Phoenix
kind of you know what, and Christian hit it good.
I think we're team. We're on the same team. I
think we broke even I had a putt, yeah, six
footer that I missed the last ale to beat him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But we had a great time.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
He hits that big high he hits up on the
driver like eight nine degrees, sneaky long, big sweep and draw.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
You know he's like family too, right, He's he's a
family guy.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
He's all paying.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
He's been a pang forever too, so it's really cool
to be part of the family.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, Tim, listen, we really appreciate the time. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Good luck this week, play well, make some potts, do
all the stuff that Marty has been doing this summer,
and we'll be rooting for you and we'll check back
with you soon.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
All right, guys, Yeah, let's do it again.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I appreciate it. Tim
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