Bruh Meets World… Meets World (Season 3 Recap)

We’ve reached the end of Season 3 and before we hop into that red convertible for Season 4, we have to call in Ceej & TJ from our favorite fan rewatch podcast, Bruh Meets World, to once again help recap the recaps and unpack the unpacking. 

We look at what makes Season 3 an iconic, yet unbalanced, BMW season, and also examine which characters were underused, and which core cast members found the spotlight with ease.

Plus hear some behind the scenes details from the live show tour, while TC and Ceej put the gang in the hot seat for some rapid fire questions that uncover some surprising revelations.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So I sent you guys an article yesterday, but I
thought we should talk about it. It was an article
in the New York Times by Katie Weaver, and it
was a profile of Stephanie Courtney, who plays Flow from
Progressive Yes. And I thought that this article was so
fascinating for a lot of reasons. But it made me

(00:42):
think about, you know, our lives in the sense that,
like when you're an actor, you're not necessarily in You're
never sure which one of your jobs going to become
the defining job, right, Like for us, Boy Meets World
is just no matter what we do in our lives,
where the kids from Boy Meets World is now doing
X y Z, whether it's robbing a communience store or

(01:03):
or starting at a movie Starry and whatever is always right.
And so this article was all about Stephanie Courtney and
how you know she just did one commercial in two
thousand and eight and now for twenty years has been
defined as fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
You can't see that we haven't gotten there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, you're like in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So she went from doing one commercial to you know,
now being even more than just a spokesperson for a company,
like the actual human person personification of the company. Like ye,
they have all these stats that show that like flow
is in a lot of ways. The reason Progressive has
become an approachable, likable company.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
The amount of benefit or of positive uh positive qualities.
She has herself brought to a conglomerate. A Progressive insurance
company is massive. And I loved personally that, you know.
And maybe it's age because she had you know, she's

(02:08):
she's now in her fifties, but she seems so positive
about it, like she had all these you know, she
has all these wonderful feelings about about being Flow and
you know, she makes a very good living.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And I'm sure there's more to that story though, Like
you know that, because she did say, like I really
want to be writing and starring in my own movies, or.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
That's what I'm saying, she flat out says. But she
also they very much. She flat out gets asked would
you trade? What would you do? And she says, I
find it very hard to believe life could ever get
better than it is right now. And the reason for
that is she still has all of the things she
wants to do. She wants to make compelling stories, she
wants to influence people. She wants to be the reason

(02:52):
people feel or think or do something. She wants to
do all of that and she can. She just will
fund it herself and she you know so, so I
thought it was great. She had a really like super
positive outlook on it. And she still performs weekly in
an improv group.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's the part that I love is that she takes
because she doesn't need that. She just loves acting and
she is keeping her chops up doing stand up or
improv comedy with the Groundlands or you know, like every week.
And I just think that, Like that's why I said
to you, guys, I feel like this should be required
reading for all like want to be actors or people

(03:29):
in like acting school, like starting out, because you really
learn have to learn how to be zen with whatever happens,
like what takes. You could become the spokesperson for a
telephone company for the rest of your life, and that
would be great actually, because it's course a good way
to keep acting, be able to do what you want
to do. But I think we all have this dream,

(03:50):
or all actors or all artists have like the ideal
career in mind. But you're always talking about like the
point zero one percent exact scess people, you know, and
that's just probably not gonna happen. What's probably gonna happen
is you're gonna find some subversion, suboptimal version of your
career and have to learn how to make the best

(04:12):
out of that. If you're lucky, you're gonna find lucky.
If you're lucky, you're gonna find that. It's so difficult.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
This industry is just crazy, and it's so difficult to
find any success, let alone success like that.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean, she's a household name. It's well, Flow is
a household name.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
So the character she plays and it's one way to
look at it is, you know, she is playing a
character on very very very tiny little shows, which is
what being a commercial actors can be, especially if if
it's for this long for one product. I mean especially
nowadays with everyone's on their phone, you've got TikTok and

(04:46):
Instagram where you nobody's attention span is that long, so
everybody's watching stuff and really really short short versions of it.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, she's.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Doing the equivalent of what is like a sitcom. Yeah,
that's Flow, and now she's playing a bunch of different
care characters doing it. So it's like, I mean, she
was kind of ahead of the game in two thousand
and eight, you know, they were just commercials. Now it's
essentially she's you know, like doing little mini shows.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
So yeah, very cool.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
By the way, very quickly, since we're talking about the
starts of things and we're talking about you know, careers
and acting, I read something very interesting today that writer
especially I think you would find interesting. I read about
how stage actually started, like how everything and so it
started with Originally in ancient Greece, there was it was

(05:37):
all done with one chorus, and the chorus would be
fifty people and they would all be on the stage
and they would all be singing or humming the same tune.
And then one actor named Thespus stepped forward and started
to do dialogue differently than the chorus behind him. And
then with Escales and Sophocles, they started adding more characters,

(05:58):
and the chorus started moving farther and farther back on
the stage, and the actors started to move forward. And
I thought that was very and all started with they
were all shows to Dionysus at the time, is how
theater started. So all of theaters started with these these
choruses singing to Dionysus for having good fertility and and

(06:19):
you know, good drinking.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right, and and one indulger stepped forward.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I think that's pretty I think that's cool.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I never ran into those old old ones. See,
I'm trying to think I did reach some ancient Greek stuff,
like I've read some Sophocles and yeah, yeah, And there's
still the chorus, you know, but it's it's a minor part.
It's like, yeah, the actors are engaging. The chorus sets
up the scene.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Sophocles, I think they said, was one of the first
to bring in more than one actor, so he had
two or three, right, and then the chorus steps back.
But it was just so interesting that Thespus was like,
I'd like to take the stage.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I was playing celebrity this weekend of youause, you know
celebrity where you take strips of famous cards and you
and you and you write names on them and then
you have to like play password essentially, and then you
only have two words, and then you have to uh
and then you actually have to charade it. So it's
like three rounds with the same set of names that
you've all created, and somebody had written Oedipus on there,

(07:15):
and so Esophoicalle's wrote Opus Rex, and so we so like.
The hint became Mother's Eyes, the Mother's eyes on words,
mothers Us.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Welcome to pod meats World.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm wilfredell.

Speaker 7 (07:45):
Well.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
The end of season three marks many things for pod
meats World. The end of Alex dasare, an approach to
the end of mister Turner, Eric's high school graduation, a
new focus on core penga we may or may not like,
and the return of our two favorite Boy Meets World
fan podcasters, TC and Siege from Bruh Meets World. For

(08:06):
those uninitiated, their podcast analyzes the show with a melanin
point of view, and they are about to get into
the final season season seven. After a break in solidarity
with the SAG strike and a programming note for us,
we will be kicking off season four in twenty twenty four,
and it will also mark the return of SAG members
as guests, which we are all very excited about. Strikeover yay,

(08:32):
so okay, Now back to the brug guys, we have
been lucky enough to see them at a few live
shows this year, and now, as we have after every
season finale so far, we've asked them to join us
and recap this past season of Pod Meets World with us.
They'll give us a fans perspective on how we're doing,
and we've asked them to be very honest and ask
us some of the unanswered questions they may still have,

(08:53):
like did Debbie Dunning learn how to scuba die? For
the two seconds she's underwater with dolphins during the Disney
World episode out? Let's not waste any more time for
the official Pod Meets World season three recap. Let's Welcome
Back TC and siege of bra meets World.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yea jacket game, leather jackets.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
You guys are.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Fast to fas well.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
We can hang on to our leather jackets and like
other people.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Starting with a shot across the back.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
So excited to see you guys.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Nice to see you as well.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I'm going to just jump in with our first question,
same as always, have we ruined the show for you?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yet? Oh?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
So ruined?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
We came to play like we have notes O so
many of your episodes. We were like we can't let
this fast.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Okay, good, I'm so happy to good.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
But I will say that, you guys this season, I
feel like, you know, there was a lot of obstacles
that you had to be overcome with the with the
strikes and everything like that, and we thoroughly enjoyed all
of the episodes. We love the drafts episodes. We loved
all of the kind of behind the scenes stuff that
was going on, and we just felt like you guys
did an incredible job with overcoming that circumstance.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Thank you. We appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
All right, now, can we get into it?

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, the nies out of the way, right to the jugular.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
In reality, a lot of mine was just starting off
with like, first of all, defending writer. Writer gets a
lot of flak for being critical of a lot of
these episodes, and we're like, no, we're with right on it.
Why are we doing this? And Will are like this
is good? We're like is it. We came with a

(10:47):
few like lifts of like we were just going to
go down and be like defend your position. Okay, okay,
So we started off with little Piggy like we are
so in line with like the idea of having a
Topanga and Sean story line. We even get like a
little to Panga and Turner for like the first time.
It's like a fantastic Yeah, that story goes nowhere and

(11:08):
there's like no lesson learned, and we were just like,
you're like, but it's good. We're like, no, this went
absolutely nowhere.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
And it makes me like to pangle less as a character.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Agree and I agree.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I was really disappointed that the very early on because
because Little Piggies only episode six into the season and
so like very early on, you barely have seen Tapanga
and then all of a sudden, she's.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So unlike, well, let's just say all of season three,
the best to Panga episode is t L.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I know it's the best.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Well hold on no, TC and Siege hate the episode Oh.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
On the list if on the list by I was ridiculous.
We went back to that episode and we barely covered it.
We're like, what do you want from us?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Want we tried. We're like, it's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Honestly, there was so much like teasing of like this
Happy Day's influence into the show. It's like, oh, I'm
glad you guys got it out of your system and
you can just jump into it. As as a fan
watching the show, I just remember thinking like, oh, so
all of this is a dream sequence, so it doesn't
amount to anything for the story.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Ultimately doesn't matter, but we hadzi.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
So there we had pay You're more absurd because it's
like we doesn't they don't.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Do anything absolutely, And then also like we have to
say this for our own podcast, Black people do not
like time tribal I was gonna say, we said on
our episode, we still have milkshakes and racism. There's no
reason to go back to that.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
We don't need to.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Train of Fools is another one where you guys were
like it's fun. I think, like, yeah, we'll Train of
Fools is one of those episodes where it's like not
only does it not make kids like on a script,
but it was just like there are so many simple solutions,
like why was this not a train to New York?
Like Philadelphia is not far from New York. You can
just say that where are you going?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
We had to google during the show. We're like, wait,
do they even have subways in Philadelphia? Were like googling
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
We're doing okay, but we have to talk about what
we discovered in our comments and okay with emails, which
I think we did talk about on our Instagram, we
might not have talked about on the show, which is
we think this was a Friend specscript right, And it
turned out Jeff McCracken wrote to it. It was McCracken
who wrote to us that the writer of it was
a huge fan of Friends, and so I think she

(13:45):
had written a Friends episode. I broke down on the
subway a specscript and then they were like, let's shoehorn
this in a boy meets world which makes perfect sense, right,
and you know, yeah, that makes so much sense to me.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
That's actually like that does explain why we got here,
what we were doing. Then will you chosen your draft
rave on? And again I want to hear that because
that episode is another one. It's like, what are we doing?

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Why?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
Like no one knows what a rave is? Apparently writer
does does.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Right now, he's the glow sticks under the computer.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know what it was?

Speaker 5 (14:27):
For me, it was just straight up fanning over the Monkeys,
you know, that's all what I love. You know, I'm
a huge television fan. The Monkeys have a huge history
with TV. They were very important at the time. They
were important to me when I was growing up, So
I think to me it was more just like personal
the monkeys are there, I'm working, I'm working, you know,
I'm working with Davy Jones is coming in and he's

(14:50):
being super inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I think both of these episodes camera.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And off that stuff. So it was just more of
that stuff for me.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Both of these episodes are you know, the Jeff Sherman episodes,
And that was the point of the episodes was to
be re deferential more than to actually like be its
own thing.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
They were.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
They were referencing these old, these old TV things that like, personally,
I don't give a crap about. So it's hard for
me to like that.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
But you know what, well, I'm with you. Me and
Sees actually disagree about this episode to you and when
they first because I grew up watching the show on
TV Land and things like that, yes, I was aware
of them. My mom was in the Davy Jones fan
club as a kid, like I have a long history
with the monkeys, and so I just really enjoyed that
episode for the fun of it. Although it's not even

(15:32):
close to being a rave at most. Oh No, the
birthday party at the back of a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Right right.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
It didn't even they didn't even bother trying to make
any of it make sense. Where it's like Chubby's supposed
to be gone, but we're still going and paying Chubby
for you to deposit, Like they kind of just went.
But the monkeys are playing and I was there for it.
I was like, all right, I'm fine, just were good. Yeah,
not a great episode, but it was the monkey.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Where do you guys rank season three? General?

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Like, do you guys just think season three is a
bad season overall?

Speaker 7 (16:01):
You know, it's so funny because we actually started with
our criticisms, but it's actually we love season three. We
just wanted to get the hot thoughts out, Okay, yeah,
we kind of uh so we actually rank our seasons
at the end. We give every episode a grade, and
then we kind of told at the end and season
three was actually ranked as one of our highest seasons
of the whole show.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
We heard this before three and four. People love it.

Speaker 7 (16:24):
I think it's Yeah. We were just talking to Blutman,
actually Mark Blutman, who we had on our podcast, so
low mame drop, but we were just talking to him
about how seasons three through five we think are just
the heart of the show. So I'm so excited to
actually get into the nitty grady of season three because
it's it's one of our favorites.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I think it's a bonker season. I think it's just
I think it's just I like my takeaway because when
I look back on our list of preparing for today
and I was looking, I was like, oh, yeah, that
was a great episode. That was also a great episode.
And even the bad ones like bad, they're not that bad.
They're very memorable. Like even the ones that you guys
just mentioned that I kind of thought were ridiculous, very memorable. Sure,

(17:01):
I feel like what happened in season three is the
show just kind of lost its identity, Like it went
in like four different directions. It's like there's an Eric show,
there's a Sean show, there's a coreing to Pangas show,
and it's like from episode to episode there's no cohesion
or there's like so it almost feels like three seasons.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
When there's a lot of cohesion, because sometimes there a lot. Yeah,
sometimes there's like episodes that are very linked.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I feel like that thing is going to be high
and then the lows are pretty low, and.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Maybe maybe in season three where there was a little
bit more comfortability of our show is sticking around a
little more, so they felt a little more comfortable going, eh, yeah,
that doesn't really make sense. Let's just let's just try
something else and.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let's see if this was right.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
But to your point, for every episode that's kind of whatever,
you get a truth and consequence, you get a stormy Yeah,
grass is always greener, Like there are episodes in here
that are like some of the most defining points of
the show, of the whole series, So it's it's kind
of get to take with the whole season.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Yeah. Yeah. To TC's point, it wasn't all bad. Like
we said, we started off with like some of the
Bad Ones, which, by the way, the happiest show on Earth.
We were both from Florida. The logistics of that episode
made no sense no matter how you slice it, Like,
there's no way those kids were getting from there and
then getting into Disney, let alone.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
That had gushing to do with Disney at all. It's
like it's just a dolphin.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
It's just freely roaming through Disney, which I think they
charged you just to wait in line. Now, so I
know exactly.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Yes, going back to the good as TC had mentioned,
like the Truth and Consequences episode, right, I know you
chose this as one in your draft, and we thought
that this is like one of the better like it
also you it actually uses Eli, which is.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Such a waste. We have such an incredible actor. And
then thank god there was at least this one episode
because he really did shine here.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
It was like the.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
And that's what we're gonna say when when it comes
to Eli, in our opinion, he was one of the
most under ulives. Like we get our first person of
color in the main cast, we get this idea of
media literacy, and in our opinion, it's like this that
was Truth and Consequences is not only a great episode,
but it like leads to a better conversation about relationship

(19:23):
with media, and they just let it go. Nowhere, did
you guys feel like there were any rooms for like
storytelling when it came to Eli, Like, what do you
think happened?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, well, it's funny.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
We actually just talked about this like a half an
hour ago, Danielle. We were trying to think of any
other show where a character was so horribly utilized.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
He might be up there in television history.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Of an actor coming in and them just not using
him at all. I mean what we saw him when
he went on to Becker and everything else, he's he's
a gene.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was fine, like he landed on his feet because
you know, at great but Boy Meets World definitely did
not take advantage of it. And I think the worst
example is the the what is it the episode where
I go to the oh, the Pink Flamingo Kid, because
that's another episode that could have been about media literacy
and tag and instead he just kind of comes in,
sets up this like contest or whatever, and then diliterious

(20:19):
and it's like, no, that's a great time for him
to engage with Corey, for him to have like a
life lesson with Corey, you know, back and forth.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Nothing, but that whole episode was just about swinging.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's all they as you saw, that's what that one
ended up being about. I know, I agree with you that,
like of all the characters they had, they introduced him.
They gave him a ton of places that there could
be storyline. He's he's Turner's best friend. He also is
a different a new teacher in the school, who's teaching
something that's super relevant that there can make a bunch
of different storylines around.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And then you know, we see him in scenes next.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
To Turner where you know, now they feel like, well,
Turner has to say something, and then Eli has to
say something, and now they each get one line.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
It was really it was.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
It's a bummer because they could have done so much more,
and I wish we would have. I wish he all
stuck around with him for some seasons seasons to come
where maybe even if they couldn't do it in this
first season, maybe in the next season they could have.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Yeah, you know, you guys were saying there was no
really co like a cohesive story. I guess to kind
of united everything. When we did our season two recap
with you guys, we were like, hey, we think the
like the overall theme is like identity, like finding yourself
in this new world and figuring out your place. When
we were looking at season three, we're like, I feel
like the big theme is like something to do with

(21:35):
the media, whether it be the media we watched the
Monkeys Disney happening, or the media we make like the
Janitor Bud expose. Corey's video was Shawn's family or Eric
as a weatherman, and these questions about the media that
we consume and create and the you know, if it's
ethical or not. My question for you guys is, now
that you've seen season three of Boy Meets World, do

(21:56):
you feel like it's ethical storytelling? Do you feel like
they're are stories that you would want your kids to see?
Would you want your child to see a thirteen year
old skip town to confess his love to a girl
who sudden leave me alone? Like you know, as you
kind of review the season, are there moments where you're like, hey,
we feel like, you know, we can stay behind some
of these stories, or we don't feel like we can
stay behind them.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Great wants to start.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think it's still pretty complicated storytelling. I still like
the attempt that, in general, Boymi's World is still trying
to be an ethical, responsible show. I think where it's
failing for me is just with Corey's self righteousness. I
think that that is hard to get behind, and that

(22:41):
that is animating so many of the episodes, is a
little hard to deal with. Outside of that, like all
the questions of media, I love that you guys are
finding that connective thread I hadn't thought about that. I
think that's great and I think that, Yeah, I think
that just the way that the show wrestles with very
complic kidded issues and doesn't just take easy sitcom situational

(23:04):
you know, it doesn't just let a crazy situation happen.
It also has parents and teachers analyzing and discussing it. Yeah,
I still think that the show is I mean, that's
the secret sauce of Boy Meets World.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's hard when you're a lead character, is the character
you want to use as the example of what not
to do with your kids? Like when it's when it's
a supporting character, and then there's usually consequences for that
supporting character's behavior. You can see, you can like, I
can totally imagine the conversations I would have with Adler
where it's like, well, yeah, and you see what he

(23:35):
did there and the you know, and that didn't work
out well for him, right, because he was so self
righteous or he was so angry, that didn't work out right.
But when it's your lead character and then all of
the supporting characters are supporting that behavior, it becomes harder
to use that as being like a because you know,
you can learn in many different ways.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
You can easily learn.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I feel like a lot of us on Boy Meets World.
I learned a lot of things that if I were
to ever run a show, a lot of things I
would want to do, and I also learned a lot
of things I wouldn't want to do. So I think
you can learn from the character that's doing the thing
you don't want them to do, but it's a little
harder when it's your lead character.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, it was very strange because there in some ways
Season three for all the other characters was great for growth,
Like you saw Eric really grow, to Panga grow. She
wasn't there a lot you saw Sean grow every but
you did. You saw all the characters kind of have
this growth, and then there was almost a regression for
Corey where it's kind of like he becomes more unlikable

(24:35):
the stuff with and we try not to harp on
it because we know how important it was to people,
but there are some serious red flags with the whole
Topanga situation that we're worried are going to get worse
as opposed to getting better, And so that was the
weird kind of thing about watching it is for the
anciliary characters. There was a lot of growth in season

(24:55):
three and it was fun to watch and them trying
to find themselves. I thought Eric Especial was, you know,
really you're trying to they're they're they're rounding out the character.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
You're seeing more depth to everybody around, and.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
It's Corey is kind of getting to be a little
more annoying and and it's just starting.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yes, and it's strange.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yeah, those words are founded, so hold on to that feeling.
Also from there, it sounds like Corey is like the
first anti hero, you know, where it's like we're watching
TV and we're.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like looking for this guy what Taylor Swift was writing about.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
But I do think that that's normal. I mean, I
think it's okay to have a central character making miss
I mean, like, you know, because my my Indy loves
the Diary of a Wimpy Kid books and and that's
very similar. Like Greg Heffley is not a what he's
not supposed to be a great kid. He's supposed to
be kind of a jerk, but there's something about it's
also from his point of view because he's writing and

(25:52):
narrating it, and so you're sort of stuck with him,
and and the boy meets world in a weird way
is not narrated enough by Corey. Like I feel like
if we were seeing Corey's POV and we were sort
of stuck with him, that would make more sense. But instead,
what ends up happening is all the other characters cater
to Corey. That's my problem is not that Corey is
a bad person. I like the idea of a flawed

(26:14):
central character making huge mistakes. I think it's essential storytelling.
I think it's essential childhood, like coming of age storytelling.
The kid makes the wrong mistakes, you're center because that's
what we identify with.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yeah, it seemed like in the earlier seasons it was
more about Corey being confused about the world around him,
and as to show progressive it progresses, it's more about
Corey's own lack of empathy, and I think that switch
kind of changes how we view him as a as
a social character.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I think so totally.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, if you're learning from your mistakes, that's one thing.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
If you're constantly being rewarded for them, that's something different.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, we talked about that and just the idea of
Corey being so judgmental or like foul self righteous with
janetor bludd with like doing the time card and lying
about that. But in a few episodes earlier he sets
the entire school empire and like, you know, like Hotel Hero.
It's just you would expect Cory to have like some
sense of empathy, just and as we were saying earlier,

(27:09):
like growth, and he's not really getting that. And I
gotta tell you you're in for a ride, because there's
there's a lot that you're just like, Okay, we're we're
taking this ride with Corey. But but will to your point,
We also felt like your character got so much to
do this season, and I think Stormy Weather is like
one of my other favorite too.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
It's just incredible, Yeah, because I feel like it's so
valid in I honestly kind of wish Eric didn't get
into college and we saw him fail, because I think
that that would have made for better storytelling to actually,
in the nineties show someone who didn't graduate.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
And what do you do then? And we still could
have had the same story beats, but just he had
to go to summer school or whatever. We gave him
something to do, and in Stormy Weather, the idea of
him taking the end ternship. And really we talked about
this in our last season recap. He has a different
kind of intelligence, he has a different kind of charm.

(28:10):
He gets rewarded differently, and I feel like like nowadays
Eric would be an influencer or you know somebody.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, total, yeah, but yeah, Eric is He's the heart
comes through and he does fail and he does make mistakes,
but then he's not rewarded for some mistakes. It's like, no,
you can't keep this job. You're not in You're not
a weatherman. You know, if you want to go earn that,
go ahead. But it wasn't like all right, you did it.
Now you're a weatherman kid. It's like, no, that's not

(28:38):
how it worked. So, yeah, this was a fun season
for me.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
It was a wonderful season for Eric slash Will. It
was so great to see him so comfortable. He has
so many good moments of just like true comedic genius.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
And also heartstring moments.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
I mean, stormy Weather is when he cuts into that
card war cake. Oh my gosh, just maybe for me,
the most memorable scene of the whole of the whole season,
like that, that whole scene in in the in that
office the day of his birthday, when he's just abandoned
his family to go join his work family that he

(29:17):
thinks really appreciates him. Only then for the facade to
crumble is just so memorable.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
And Rusty's so good in that so good, it's just
so good.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's like, oh, man, yes.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
Can we agree that Alan is not good with birthdays?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
The whole family is family. They have a weird relationship
with birthdays.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Somebody something horrible happened on them.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
But they don't have an eleventh brother in there.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
There's no power of the eleven in that exactly.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
I tell you.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
We love Eric's story arc this season. We also really
love Shawn's character arc. There's some things about Seawn's story
the season that we liked and we didn't like. Basically,
season two ends with like setting up and Sean going
off on this new adventure, and I was remember being
so pumped at seeing what was going to come of

(30:07):
these two living together. The stories are going to develop,
and other than like one fight they get in at
the beginning of the season, it feels like they just
kind of stepped away from developing Sean and Turner as
a duo. And I mean, I'm really excited to see
what happened, you know, to see what happens as if
I for you guys to get into Sean and Chet's

(30:28):
relationship and season four because we go back to like
continuing to develop Sean in that way. But it feels
like there was like something that was set up that
wasn't fulfilled in terms of the promise of Sean and Turner.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I know another opportunity that really felt like another great
opportunity to involve Eli some more in this new relationship.
How are Turner's relationships being affected by this new We
have all of that great setup for I don't know
what I'm doing. How's this going to affect my romantic relationship,
How's this going to affect my job? I don't know
how to be a dad, and now I'm bringing in
this kid, and then we just kind of don't ever

(31:01):
really see any of it.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, I mean we get the double we get the
double lie, and then we get the one where I
ran away right, oh he said, she said the guy
counselor right. Those are really the only two where it's
like and that's just early on in the season. I
think they just realized they're like, there's you know, it's
not Sean and Turner's show, right, it's Corey show.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
We still have theories about what what happened there, But
how do you not do an episode where Turner's got
to go away for the weekend and Sean has to
stay with Eli.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
How is that not an episode?

Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I mean, how is that not an episode?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think it's because it becomes its own show. Like
if you if you just think about Turner's apartment with
Eli Turner, Sean, Dana Pruett, you could have had its
own sitcom. You know, it would have been like a
struggling like teacher trying to raise a student.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Like that's cool.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
But that was also my favorite Corey, My favorite Corey
who comes in with the blue mitten.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He's he's the.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Bumbling kind of older, older guy already, he's got the
great one liners.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's he's that's to me, that's the best Corey.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
And I think somebody somewhere it might have been a
network thing saw that and went, wait a minute, this
is we're totally.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Copeck to show.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Because season three, if you started in season three the
Boy and Boy meets World as Sean and I think so,
I think there's people that are probably like, no, we
can't have even if it's a B storyline, Sean's staying
with Eli oh.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Man, the comedy that could have come from that is amazing.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
We also want to thank you Will for calling out
the facts that apparently Turner is from Uh just like
call that out as well would have been like where
is this coming from?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
From Westport, Connecticut? From Richie rich Connecticut?

Speaker 7 (32:42):
Man.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Yeah, absolutely, they're like to your point, I do have
a question because in season three it does feel like
there are more episodes about the side characters, and it's like,

(33:06):
do you think that was just the ben need a break?
Like what was going on to the point where they
felt comfortable expanding on these other characters. But as you said,
you've also pointed out they will like twist and turn
to make Corey like the right guy at the end
of the day. So just what was going on? Do
you make just behind the scenes?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think they were just excited by the characters that
they had written, you know. I think that they just
saw the potential in Will's comedy me and Turner's drama. Like,
I think they just got excited and rightfully chased down
those little tributaries of the show, you know, And then
I think that's why it's an uneven season. It's because
there wasn't this unifying you know. I just like, here's

(33:48):
what I wish for season three. I wish that our
writers had been able to like have like twelve weeks
to write the entire season before we started shooting, which
nowadays would happened because you would have thought like, oh,
we're going to serialize it. But back then television was
weak to week lurching. Whether you were going to get
picked up for the back nine was still a question,

(34:11):
So we were chasing ratings and our writers were under
a lot of pressure. I think I think looking back,
I think season three they were overwhelmed. I think the
production wise was overwhelmed. I think they had a lot
of ambitions, which is super admirable, but I think that
they they like went in a like ten different directions,
got a little loss along the way, and that's why
we have some of these like Sparkling Genius like one offs,

(34:32):
and then a lot of like weirder sort of mixed
up episodes, you know. So I think they were just
chasing what was in front of them, and unfortunately, like
with Eli, it just didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think our writers are almost too talented at creating
compelling characters, yes, and compelling situations where when you do
a one off it's so compelling, when you don't go
back to it for multiple episodes, you're left wondering, well,
whatever happened with that happened? And you're not supposed to wonder.
It's not supposed to be so compelling that you care.

(35:04):
It's supposed to be that lived for one episode.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And we move on.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
But when you think about the relationships and those characters
were talking about, like Eli with the media with that
is such. He's such a compelling character and he's setting
up such a compelling conversation, you want to see more
of those and more of those situations. You want to
see more of what Turner and Eli's relationships are. You
want to see Turner and Sean. You want to see
Sean and Chet. You want to see Corey and Tapanga,

(35:29):
you want to see Eric and Feeni. You like you
in a twenty two minute show. You shouldn't love every
single one of those and care about where every single
one of them goes. But like writer said, we could
have had six different spinoffs. And we would have loved
them all.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I have a question for you.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Do you think the writers before they started a season,
Obviously maybe they didn't arc out the entire thing, but
do you think they had a basic theme of what
they thought the season was going to be.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, this is going to be this.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean they figured out I think I think they
started this season it was like, we're gonna have Sean
and Turner until Chet comes back.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yep, and that's what start here and it'll end here.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
And then Corey Topanga are going to break up and
get back together. I think those are the major tenants.
And oh and then maybe Eric is going to get
into college or not or so those are the three
journeys that are sort of carrying. But they feel like
from episode to episode you're kind of like, whoa, whoa,
we're now, we're back on Corey to Panga. That's the
center of the show. Oh no, Sean and Turner, that's

(36:30):
the center of the show. It's just a little yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
You know, each each episode one of a season almost
acts like a thesis statement for what the seasons intended
to be. So you have the pilot obviously season one.
Season two's first episode is going into high school for
the first time in Yeah, and the kind of figuring
out that new world, which is what that season ends
up being. And this one starts with Corey asking Tapanga
to be his girlfriend, which we kind of see that

(36:54):
relationship play out, so it seems like there was an idea,
a nugget, but maybe it just wasn't fully fleshed out.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Well.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
That's the other problem is that when you've got so
many characters doing so many things, you have to break
away from one story and then just have your audience go, Okay,
I've got to imagine a whole bunch of stuff happened
that I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
To see and be okay with it when we do
get back to it.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
So it's like, that's why Corey and Tapanga are lurching
forward and we're not. It's like, we haven't seen Tapanga
in five episodes, and now he's in love with her again. Okay,
We've got to just figure out that the five episodes
that she wasn't in, he was having conversations that we
never got to see, and you've got to just be
okay with that, and there's times I'm just not.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
That's the problem is you want to see them.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm not okay with just jumping right into this again.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
And yeah, like, well you've got to assume, he was like,
I don't want to assume, or instead.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Of assuming, we'll just tell you for the last three months,
I've been doing this, Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
You know, Corey, you've been really obsessed with her for
the last three months. Like that kind we felt like that.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
With Trainy too, that like we were just told that
was the Panga's friend without actually seeing them be friends.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Ye, you told she's weird. You're told that our friends
and that's and just accept it.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
So yeah, and to that point, it's really funny. I
like what you guys said about basically like the gift
of the curse of the writing, where it's like you
make such compelling characters and then like just because of
the way it's set up, we can't really go anywhere
with them because it's supposed to be about boy, But
we get some really interesting pairings like t just brought
up Triny and Corey like that whole thing we thought

(38:24):
were really good. You get Larissa Alainak as Dana and Alex. Again,
we've talked a lot about Lindsay Ryndway comes back and
she's given us Morgan, what kind of pairings do you
guys think would have been really interesting? Because we get
some like that one Topanga and Turner episode is good

(38:45):
and it allows Turner to be there for Tapanga in
a way we haven't seen. And then again, Corey being
paired with Triny is a very fun dynamic. So what
are some of your favorite dynamics are like? Which characters
would you have like to see paired up?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I've got one right away. That's because of the age difference.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
I think the idea of Feenie and Alex together would
have been really interested because he's he's younger, it's different generation.
It's about media, which which Phoenie he's always reading books,
so the idea he's not going to know everything about
TV and all the interest cases going on.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Some of the energy of between Turner and Phoenie, if
that had from second season, if that had transferred into
Eli and I would have.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Been grave would have been amazing.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Different approaches to teaching, yes, but ultimately having the kids
like a teacher.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Eli was not a teacher at all.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
So to see somebody where it's like this is my
first year of teaching, this is my first year as
being producing and coming to producing.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
To me, there's a whole you could have mined that for.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
That's a great one.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, I mean mine is a weird answer considering the characters.
But like I would have liked to have seen more
Corey into Penga stuff some of the stuff were to
talking about with earning it. I would have liked to
have seen them enjoy their relationship a little bit more.
I loved the friendship in the couple of episodes we

(40:09):
saw where it really felt like it was to Panga,
Sean and Corey, when the three of them felt like,
you know, there were a couple of episodes where it
was like, oh wow, she's just one of the gang.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
So yeah, I know that's not like a like a
different pairing, But I mean, as we talked about, in
my opinion, we had too many good pairings. We didn't
get to focus on some of the pairings that we
already know and love enough.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
Yeah, I'm so glad that you brought up Corey and
Tapanga because you know, they've really become the heart of
the show. I think in the season now that you've
kind of seen them get together break up get back
together again. How do you feel like, do you feel
like they have a healthy relationship dynamic. Do you feel like,
I would you want your kids to have a relationship

(40:55):
like Corey and Tapanga at fourteen?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Noop no, I mean no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
I think I think exactly what Tapega had been saying,
which is like, listen, Corey, we care about each other.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's why we're always going to.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Be friends, and and you know, you go do your
thing and I'm going to keep doing my thing. And
it seemed like they in those couple of episodes where
they were friends, it seemed like it was going well,
so no I and then it just out of nowhere.
He was like, that's it. I'm a late I've been
a ladies man. And he calls somebody to Panga and

(41:29):
then he decides they want to get back together. No,
I haven't seen anything about their relationship yet.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
That makes me go, God, I love them together.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
I know.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I know I've said this. I said this, you know,
throughout the season a few in a few different ways.
But I'm realizing, like I haven't explicitly stated it this way,
which is that I think our writers as a unit,
but certainly. Like let's just say, like the the the
organizing and tell leigence behind Uh Boy Meates World believed

(42:04):
in destiny, really believed in the spiritual concept of destiny,
and so in writing the show and creating the show,
it is built into the logic of the show that
the destiny of core into Panga, they're actually supposed to
be spiritually meant for each other, and that you have
to sort of accept that like that that otherwise if

(42:25):
you don't accept that Corey's crazy to Panga is an
idiot for staying with him, you know, not going to Yale,
like all of those things. And I think a lot
of our viewers are we're children, We're young enough to
also believe in in destiny or soulmates or you know,
and and or to want to believe in it. Yeah,
and I think that, So I think that that that's

(42:47):
just one of those things we can rail against, but
it is there's not going to change, right, Like you
have to accept that as part of the organizing principle
of the show because they really believed it.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It's it's like it's like the it is built into it,
so so I you know, I don't I think it's
kind of useless to keep pointing out how like, because
otherwise we're just never gonna be happy with the show,
Like we're gonna fundamentally be at odds with the reality
of Boy meets World's great.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
They've got to believe in fairies kind of you know,
that's what it kind of is. I mean, that's really
what it is.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
You've got to believe the fantasy aspect of it, then
not look at the red horrible bright red flags, especially
that this young man is throwing up every two seconds
that he's around.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, it is very Yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Will say one of the better moments of their relationship
was in grass Is Always Greener. I thought them coming
together and saying, hey, let's break up before we hate
each other was such a sure conversation for those two
to have. Yeah, that maturity Unfortunately, just like didn't go
anywhere in their relationship after. It just seems like it
actually took a complete turn into like more immaturity after

(43:53):
something that felt very adult.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yes, but it was also felt like they've been together
for thirty years, which didn't make any sense. It's like,
we're so sick of each other we're talking about you
just got another four episodes ago.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh my god, yeah, yeah, we really.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Like like how that episode explored though, Like that's a
real thing that couples go through, this idea of like,
you know, we've been together and we're in a rut,
and like the idea that Boy Meets would even tackle that,
I actually kind of thought was amazing and I do
love that Boy Meets Road to its fault, I mean,
to its credit will be willing to have teenagers think about, yes, hey,

(44:31):
maybe we're not allowing ourselves to be the best versions
of ourselves. I think that's like fantastic.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
No, I think that's great. But going back to what
I said before, I want to see that earned. Yes,
I don't want it. I don't want them to be
on two dates and then two episodes later they're in
a rut already.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I want to earn that rut because this real thing.
I know.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
But it's twenty two minutes.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
But it's also twenty two episodes.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
So if you if that's your goal is beforehand they're
like Coren Peger gonna break up and they're gonna get
back together again, and one of the reasons is they're
going to be in a rut.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Then let me see that.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
And you know, I mean part of it too.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I wonder how much of it is we know of course,
now that the show goes seven seasons, so there's plenty
of time to let them stay together all of season three. Yeah,
start season four with a breakup because we still know we've.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Got season five, season six, season seven.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
You can have places to go, but at the time
you don't know that, and you've got to keep the
the viewership kind of hooked on the roller coaster that
is what is going to happen. So a lot of
that is the ability of you know, looking back and
having hindsight and going, wow, we had time, we could
have we could have languished in this ae.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Yes, but again talking about TV the way that we
all love well, I love TV. You go back to
Sam and Diane, you go back to Ross and Rachel,
you go back to these characters that you earn everything
you're watching, and they've got the same twenty two minutes
and they've got the same twenty two episodes. But the
characters are grown together and then apart and then together,

(45:59):
and then they're close, and then they're far, and then
they're and we just didn't get that they were together,
and then they weren't, and then they were together and
then and it's like, let me see the roller coaster
a little bit. Don't tell me about the roller coaster.
Let me actually see the roller coaster. And I feel
like we didn't get that.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
And also keep keep note as to the reason why
they broke up, because it's the exact same reason that
they have trouble again. And like a season or two,
like this whole thing about them feeling like an old
couple is a consistent issue in their relationship that keeps coming.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Up right right, which I kind of love.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I love old man Coy. I think he's great old
man Corey.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
So he just should have been with Wendy.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Two really quick things. One writer, we never got your pairag,
which I would love to hear, like what do you
love to.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yes, I was just gonna say more training. I just
think I'll bring one of the best characters, and Brittany
Murphy is amazing. I would have loved to see what
Trieny and Sean would have been like as friends or
as like partners in crime in some capacity. I don't know.
I just like I just like any dynamic when I
think about her and Corey, I smile. I think about
her and Tapanga. I love it, And yeah, I just
if she had been part of the gang, like, yeah,

(47:16):
it should have been like that. And I agree with Danielle.
I think the Tapanga Sean Corey dynamic is really cool.
So like I would have just inserted Brittany Murphy in
there and had the four of us like.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, how was there not a Triny Feoenie joke? Is
not a thing?

Speaker 6 (47:31):
I mean, come on, that would be great like reveal
to find out that Triny was actually like Foenie's mean
something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yea, yeah, exactly, love to her name is Triny Phoenie.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Speaking of the last thing that I wanted to bring
up was Feenie because in City Slackers we we called
it first. We pitched the Feenie.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
Prequel years before.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
That episode is so fantastic, and what you've talked about
with the Feoenie prequel, I feel is like ripe for
a series because it allows you to see Phoene become
the Feenie that he will be. But as you were
saying with Alice, it's like you get in the sixties,
you get race, you get gender, you get just a

(48:13):
bunch of stuff.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
That was I think I'd have to say that I
think was my favorite episode of the season.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
City City.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It was just it was a play. It was a plage.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Were watching Bill b Bill and that you and Ben
there are great and it's also funny. It's got lines
that we're still saying. That to me, was I think
the best episode of season three.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I agree, God, I think I agree too. It's funny
because I didn't love that opening. But if I could
like go back and redo the performance for that opening,
maybe what was the B story?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Why can I not remember the B story?

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Oh? What episode?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's because the A story is so damn good.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Oh it's a pool game.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
It's a great, ridiculous fun best story. That was a
great episode.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Yeah, that's fun and it uses Eli and here, Yes,
you actually did that trick. Honestly, I was like, is
there anything Will can't do?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I know anything?

Speaker 7 (49:11):
Twice?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's what I can't.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
We've talked about season three the show, but we want
to talk about your season three a little bit. As
we said, you guys have been touring this season, and
I mean city after city, what's that been like While
recording season three and like, what have been like some
of your favorite Like did that show grow? Because we

(49:36):
were like your groupies. We were there the first show,
we did the thirtieth anniversary, and we were here when
you did La, so we've seen the show grow. Did
that just come naturally or did you guys feel like
we need to give everyone like a little bit?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
It was a little bit of both, A little bit
of it just organically growing. When we first started the
first show, we did the Alcoholne show, when you guys
were there, that was a real like what do we
we have no idea just.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Stage like half hour before going what you would we
do here?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
And then by the time we actually really kicked off
the tour, we had had a chance to really kind of.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Fine tune what we wanted.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
And then we had done a couple of dates and
Writer had a friend as per uge in one of
the cities we were in, and he invited that friend
to the show, and then after they went out and
got drinks and the friend said, I really liked the show.
But my one piece of constructive criticism would be that
Will has a moment on stage alone. Writer has a

(50:33):
moment on stage alone. But Danielle does not, and I
think you guys should add something. And so then more
recently we added my little moment on stage. And so
now I feel like the show's in a really good place,
right in time for us to wind this tour down.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Why down time for us in time for the smaller
venues that we're hitting, and then we.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Called it has never done.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, it's exhausting.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Also, to answer your question, it really is tiring doing
the three in a row, especially we're driving usually in
between the so we'll I mean, we'll go and do
a show and then we wake up at seven o'clock
in the morning, we'll drive six hours and go and
do a show, wake up sevent eight o'clock in the morning,
drive six hours and going to.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It's physically exhausting.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I always say, I wish I was doing this at
twenty seven instead of forty seven. Yeah, and I think
I think we're going to be doing a lot less
of them next year.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
I love it because when we asked you last and
it was coming up, You're like, we love being busy.
It's so good, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, I mean, it truly was amazing. I'm glad we
got to I mean I'll speak myself.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
I'm glad I got to experience it and the seeing
the love and the fans and feeling it. It comes
in this wave that you can literally feel hit you
when you walk on stage.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It's inspired.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
I mean Danielle again literally cries, I think every single
live show that we have because we.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Will catch me sorry every time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Incredible, I mean, it really is incredible.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
We got the best thing in the world, and every
city is its own thing. The crowd has its own energy,
it has its own vibe. In some cities you can
tell it's way more of a Boy meets World fandom
and they don't necessarily know the podcast at all. In
other cities, it's so heavily skewed that the people who

(52:20):
are there are like big time pod meets World and
Boy meets World fans. The costumes people have been able
to come up with the questions. We do a Q
and A every episode or every show. The questions people
come up with, they're always different, with very few repeating questions.
The like I mentioned the costumes, it's it's it feels
different every time, and yet, like Will said, it is

(52:41):
also really hard on ourselves physically. I mean Johnson ended
up going in for emergency gall bladder surgery. He visited
multiple emergency rooms across the country.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Boy Died.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Pretty much killed Jensen, because you know, the stuff you
don't see behind the scene means is the like well mentioned,
We fly in usually the night before into a place,
so that first show we're really fresh for because we
get to sleep in, we get to work out, we
get a nice lunch, then we go and we do
the show and then but we do a rehearsal for
about an hour, then we have to get ready for

(53:15):
the show. Then we do the show for an hour
and a half, then we cram food for fifteen minutes
after the show, and then we do a minimum of
an hour and a half of a meet and greet after.
So we don't usually leave the venue until like eleven
thirty at night. We get back to the hotel around midnight.
We're not usually asleep until one, and then we're up
the next day at seven am to drive six or
seven hours to the next city. And we usually just

(53:36):
drop our bags off and go right to rehearsal and
do the whole thing again, and then that same thing
again the next day, a third day, and then we
fly home on that next day. So it's hard on
our families, it's hard on our bodies, but it's also
it's been amazing, and we've bonded and we've had such
a great time, more laughs than you know, we ever
could have imagined. We also writer, do you want to
talk about the film crew we brought with us for

(53:58):
a few days.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, we had some friends of mine come along and
film us. So we have footage from three cities, all
behind the scenes stuff of us prepping the show, us
traveling together. So we're gonna see how that footage turns
out and see if we can come up with something
because I think, I think this has been Like I
think we're gonna look back in like five years and

(54:22):
be like that was the greatest year of like our
lives together, our friendship together, Like our relationship just been
among the three of us. Like the amount of like
self knowledge I've gained just by spending time with you guys,
and like the conversations, the fact that we'd like never
stop talking about never It's insane to me that we're

(54:44):
like doing it. Yeah, we do it up for the podcast.
Then we get into the car and then we go
and then we do a show where we get on
stage and we don't know what we're going to talk about.
We talk about it. It's like and the conversation and
it's like, yeah, I've had grumpy moments, I know, and
like we've all had. We're like get a little sick
of each other. But then we do it again the
next week. Yeah, I'm fine, And then I get sick

(55:05):
of you again, and then we do it again and
we're fine, and it's like, it's so crazy to me
that we keep coming back. And then we're like, we
we still have a Are we gonna have a Christmas
dinner together soon? Like we're gonna do that on our
free time?

Speaker 6 (55:17):
What is wrong with us? So yes?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I just like and I know, and we're gonna miss it.
Like when this podcast ends, when we finished the season
seven and when we're not doing the live shows anymore,
I'm gonna be like, oh, man, Like I.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Know, it's gonna feel very much like the way it
felt when Boy Meets World ended, which was like for
me leading up to it was like, Oh, this show
can't be over fast enough, and then it ended and
I was.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Like, I'm soad stated with this.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I think the difference is I'm not looking forward to
this one being over. I'm enjoying every second of it.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
We'll have our sitcom by then, though, so it'll be okay.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
Uh. Based on what you were saying earlier, we went
to the Philadelphia show and that energy was like a
fantastic right, So, and then we went to the which
we looked at each other, We're like, this is a
this is a different crowd. Like the questions were so
niche and so spacificy we were like, oh, these Angelinos
came to play. So I just but based on that,

(56:14):
did you have, like any of your favorite questions that
you were asked while on the tour? Like you said,
they're all unique questions where there if you can remember,
were there any questions that you were like.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I'll tell you, hands down my favorite moment of the
live tour Q and A. And this is a bad
thing to say because I do not want to encourage this,
but when we are doing the Q and A, of
course there's a moment where we have to make the
announcement that there's only one this is our last question,
and then everybody goes and sits down. Well, in this
one particular show, and I don't remember where we were.

(56:46):
Someone hung back and it was a guy and he said,
excuse me, I'm sorry. I know that you said his
last question, but I have to ask this. I've wanted
to my whole life. I have to know this. And
he asked Writer a question about philosophy, and Writer his
whole being lit up from the inside and he like

(57:10):
got close to the end of the couch and he
was just and he gave this most passionate answer. And meanwhile,
you know, there's like fifteen hundred people in the theater,
Will and I included looking at each other, having absolutely
no idea what these two were talking about. And it
became the David Hume David Hume moment, and me, can.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I explain what happened?

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Wy?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
The guy asked he was he was had been a
philosophy major in college. So he was like, Writer, I've
heard that you like philosophy and that you started as
a philosophy major, So I'm just wondering, like, who are
some of your favorite philosophers, Which is the question I've
been waiting to be asked since I was fifteen years old,
and philosophy.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
This is the moment, This.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Is all I wanted to hear. It was so fun
because then he and I started geeking out in front
of the entire crowd. I was like, I'm a big
fan of David Hume, and they he was like, yes,
I'm a fan of David Hume. And then were these
guys were like, who the hell is David Hume? And
I was like, you don't know Hume. And then I
talked about how I used to cross out my signature
because I was going through a whole dary daphase, which

(58:09):
he got. He was like, oh, because you wanted to
exist under erasure. I'm like, wow, was exactly and they
just and the whole crowd it was. But I have
to say, okay, telling that story and like, uh, you know,
you guys thought it was like a funny like moment
also reignited something in me, like I have since gotten
back into philosophy. Yeah, I realized, because I realized, like

(58:33):
those references that I was talking to him about were
things that I had read when I was twenty or
the in college last time. And so then I started
looking up things that I haven't kept up with, like
there are two major philosophers I had never heard of.
Saw Krypka and and Derek Parfitt, who are like the
you never heard of kryp and Parfect exactly, And so

(58:53):
now I bought my copies.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
It's like he just asked me about dungeons.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
You're a size of this book that I had. Now
I bought this and I'm like, oh god, I got
to go deep, and I am going deep. So this guy,
whose name I don't even know, I hope you're listening,
send us an email. You totally like reinspired me to
get back into philosophy. It was like, and that's like
the kind of thing that this that we talk about,
the sense of community we're getting from the show.

Speaker 7 (59:21):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Like there was this moment like this guy asked a
very niche question that like ignited something in me that
now I'm like hopefully sharing with the world, like everybody
should read some David Hume philosophy is amazing, Like get
out there, you know, like I don't know, I just
love that there's a feedback loop.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
No they are. I don't remember any specific questions. I
just there.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Everybody is so amazing and they come out and they've
got their questions ready and it's just becomes a conversation,
and it's so much fun, it really is, really is.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
I love that. That's so funny. Will I find it
hard to believe you have the memory of like a
macheede any questions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Well, it's because they come at you in like a barrage.
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
We get a lot of the kind of you know,
what we your favorite? You know, we get a lot
is what's your favorite? Fienie wisdom we get with that
question we get at almost every show, like what's the thing?
And and we turn it from sometimes what we learned
from Phoenie, but also what we learn from Bill, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
So it's whether which is two different things.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
So yeah, we always go to the you don't have
to be blood to be family, that kind of stuff.
But Bill just talking to us as actors, I mean,
the things that he taught us about being a professional.
I mean, that's kind of the things that I go
back to. So yeah, we get a lot of those
kind of questions as well.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
Amazing, you guys have been so great given us so
much of your time. Do we have time for a
quick trivia?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
Season three?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Ye, let's do it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
Okay, we're gonna lightning around this and well, we'll ask
that you give Danielle and write her a chance to answer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I know he's going to know everything.

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
I shall sit quietly. Okay, we'll do this as a
rapid fire in truth to consequences. What was Janitor Budd's
excuse for clocking out of work early?

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Was his excuse? I know he's supposed to be He's
going to play the ponies, is what he's actually ponies?

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
That's right. He was going to the horse track. That's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I thought I was like, that wasn't really?

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
Yeah, that was the real reason, and rave All and
Eric dancers with the woman who we later find out
was his cousin. What was her name, Brenda?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Really, I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Apparently there was a brand of this season, but it
wasn't that. It was Brenda Marsh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
The the Amy's friend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Monica cousin, Wanda, Wanda Willing it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I didn't know it was Wanda.

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
There you finished the quote, I walk alone in this
world except for the grilles my pocket, the grilled cheese
sandwich in my pocket. The famous fireworks scene and Happiest
Place on Earth takes place at which Disney Park?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I mean most of it takes place in Gonna Be right, I've.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
Got that's correct. What year does Corey travel back in
time to when I was a teenage spy?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Oh it was nice, fifteen nice?

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
So it was spot Nick soot Nick was fifty seven?

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
A job will and that fital question. This one's a
little bit harder, so whoever gets it? And my best
friend's girl Phoenie catches Eric screening what horror movie to
his classmates Freddy's Revenge?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Wait, you're thinking of Stumpy's Revenge?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Stumpy stump Revenge?

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
God?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Wait, say it one more time?

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
And best Friend's girl Phoenix catches Eric screening what horror
movie to his classmates? And you guys aren't far off?
There is there's something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Okay, they're supposed to be watching Painter. You wagon right,
that's the movie that they're supposed to be Oh yes,
so it is Blue Comblue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh god, because he's in what he was there for?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Revenge one? And four?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Oh what was it called?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I can't remember what it's called?

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Step out? The correct answer is Texas Gut Suckers part Leons.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
And we couldn't even get the one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Yes, wait, we're screening number five, but the guy was
here in number four that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Was very straight.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
In episode sixteen of this season, you bring up girl
math and one of the things that we wanted to
talk about was boy meets World Math. Boy meets World Math.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Yeah, it's the whole thing. So we were in sixth grade,
we're in ninth grade. We met when we were four.
We met in the episode four.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Yeah, so we were like, some of those are like
boy meets World, Math is giving Sean Moore and more
family members. Yet Math is saying I love you means
I owe you, owe me, and I love you that
like math is if I add my parents to a
rave I was already throwing, then it's a party for

(01:04:12):
them having three children but only caring about one, right,
and the school having enough money for a chemistry lab
but not a second bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Well, thank you guys so much for being here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Literally, we look forward to your recaps and you're you're
coming back to join us every season. We look forward
to having you back for season four. You guys mentioned
that season three ranks pretty high. Where does season four
rank in your overall It's everyone's.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Favorite, right, four is my absolute favorite season? Okay, okay,
to talk to you guys about season four every time.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
This boy couldn't hold back an emotion if he tried,
so he showed you. But no, season four, I think
you guys will like so much more because the kind
of depth that we get into and three is just
elevated and it's a little bit more cohesive for so
I think I think you're really going to enjoy the
journey that we've gone.

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
If you're able to get any of the season four
cast members to interview, that would be great, such as
Lesha Haley from Shallow Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Shallow Boy season four okay.

Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
Also, Chris Hardwick isn't singled out. I don't know if
you're able to talk to him, but that would be great.
And I hope I'm saying this right. Sharen Mitchell, who
played Burna, isn't gets introduced in season four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Wow, I have to say, and I'd like to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
I think I can safely say for both Rider and Danielle,
if you ever come to another live show and don't
come back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
How high are you were? I found out you guys
were there and didn't, I was like, what.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Have been?

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
Part of it was we were at the Philly show
and we saw how long you guys were doing Me
and greet it's exhausting.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Thank you. I do appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I want to see you guys. But yeah, after the show,
we're wiped out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I want to say that, Like that was one
of the things that I did learn. Like when we
went to Philly, we were so like we were the
best way we could see it on you. We were like,
it's been a while, Like you stayed until your credit.
You were so energetic, and we staying in line and
like being able to talk to the other fands for
so much fun. But we really just wanted to be like, hey,

(01:06:38):
they've had they've been here a while, let's get out
of their hair. And then t was like I think
they wanted to see us, so yeah, we'll be better
at that. You appreciated.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Yeah, we'll be at the next time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
And we are yours. We love you so much. Thank
you for joining us again. We'll see you next time.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Hebby holidays. Holidays always so fun. So that's very exciting
that they love season four.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It's going to be a good season, I hope, So
I hope.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
So, Hey, I remember everything about Shalla Boy and that
was a great episode.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
So no, great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Episode I know the cult episode is in this which
is a little bonkers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
All great episode is going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I do think it's going to be probably the peak season.
It makes sense, right, it's a halfway point. It's like
when you're you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
When do when does Matt come season five?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Season five?

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Season five is when we we get into college. But
yees see when season four ends with graduation from high school,
there's a lot going on. So I think, yeah, right,
yes we started. Then how is we start college?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Okay, so was back?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I think you go to college this season?

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
I know, but if Corey is three years younger than Eric,
as we just talked about in the last episode, and
Eric's graduating, that means.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
That Corey's a freshman.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
So how is or at the end of season four
he now graduating from high school?

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Boy meets world?

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Math?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Is he meets world?

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Math?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Is the answer?

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Maybe we don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Sea Yeah, maybe it's season five, end of season five?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
No, it's season five.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
You know why.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
I know it's season five because Matt and I were
sitting there in the audience cheering you on, and then
we don't cheer Ben when he comes back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Remember that? So that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
So we don't graguate this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Okay, okay, that scared me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Then I don't know anything else. Season four let's see,
I'm excited. Bring it on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
and this season of Pod Meets World. As always, you
can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You
can send us your emails pod Meets World Show at
gmail dot com, and we have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
March season three's over March.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
We love you all, pod dismissed.

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(01:09:19):
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