Bruh Meets World…Meets World (Season 2 Recap)

We’ve come to the end of Season 2 - and you know what that means! It’s the return of Ceej & TC, the hosts of our favorite fan rewatch podcast, Bruh Meets World, to ask the questions our hosts may have missed. It’s a recap with further analysis on cast dynamics, the difficulty of workplace friendships and how the hosts feel now about being teenage heartthrobs of desire. Let’s take one last look back on our first year at John Adams High School…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So Susan is your wife, Susan.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
My wife.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Susan is out of town for two days, and the
second she leaves, I become twelve.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh man, dude, I had Burger.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
King for dinner last night.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
No, God, no, thank you.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
No burger King for dinner last night. I was watching
Marvel movies. For the record, I could do all this
when she's here. I know she would have no problem
with any of this, but I don't. So I was
up too late. I was eating McDonald's. I was there.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You had burger King and McDonald No, I.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Had Burger King. I did. I.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
We always joked that one of the reasons I don't
eat fast food. I don't know if I've told you
about this is because I order so much that I
have to invent someone in the car with me.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I know, you make something up, so I have.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I never told you this rider.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
So I'll be like, I'll be going through the drive there,
I'll be like, can I get a number one super size?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Can I also get a big Mac and double cheat?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And what did Steve want?

Speaker 6 (01:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, And so that's why I don't eat it.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
So last night, I you know, and then you also
hit an age where you go.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
I'm not sure my body can take.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Burger king for too much longer. So there were repercussions.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
But does anybody else have this? Your spouse leaves and
you kind of revert to what single life?

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, Like there's definitely there's definitely times
when like I'm like, oh, I got the house to
myself tonight, and yeah, suddenly I'm like, you know, a
full bottle of wine gone.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Like oh, oh I'm drunk alone. That was at night.

Speaker 7 (01:57):
But no, because you know, honestly, because because of it
means more responsibility when my right you know, it's like, oh,
I've got to like parent all like because she's she's
such the food person in our family, Like she's the
cook and she takes care and she loves preparing food
and cooking. You know, I'm like the dishwasher guy. So
when she goes, when she's got a town, I'm like
suddenly super stressed about having to cook for Yeah, I'm

(02:19):
just like, oh, I gotta wake up again and what
are we gonna eat? And I'm just so bad at
that like aspect of life. So that's where most of
my energy goes.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
When she leaves. Nice but you're saying, though, there's yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
What about you, Danielle, because I do you ever have
moments to yourself, just totally to yourself?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I mean I do occasionally and and me the true
lover of everything on fun, I get so excited to
have the house to myself that I clean it, make
sure it's super organized and jensen stuff is off the counter.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I do that too.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I sleep in the middle of the.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Bed, oh geez.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
And yeah, and you know I probably I like I
read a book, you know that kind I light a candle.
Maybe things that I'm like, why don't like you said,
like why don't I light a candle when Jensen's around?
But like things that just feel like you're alone, Like
I turned my house into a spa because I'm going
to be quote unquote alone. But really that only means
I'm alone for the probably forty minutes I'm going to

(03:22):
be awake after the children have gone to sleep, right,
and then I go to sleep. But for those forty minutes,
I'm in the middle of the bed with a candlelight
and a book and the house has been and I'm thrilled.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, that's my alone, is really alone.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
That's the difference, like I have the dog, but that's
I don't have kids or any any responsibility and right,
But then I go a night where I'm like, oh,
I'm in the bed by myself and the sun night night.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
I make what my wife to come back?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now, where's my susan? Exactly?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
There's a sandwich place that Jensen really likes that I
cannot stand. I don't like this. I'm not going to say,
yes it is. It's disgusting. Has made on a brick
of bread.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
How dare you? When there's damn subs and arts subs,
you're gonna talk about it? I love Oh, I love
it so much. So the bread is like a brick.
It is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
I have so many good sandwich shops near me, like
three or four brand I love man.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I love a good sandwich anyway.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Me too. A sandwich is like my favorite Lanuich is
a good sandwich, all the best. And so when when
Jensen doesn't have to think about what I'm gonna eat,
the first place he goes is yeah. And I felt
really validated when one time I was gone, I was
at work, and so Jensen, we always make sure that. Obviously,
our dear nanny has lunch. We provide her food. And

(04:40):
so one day he said, miss Telia, I'm gonna go
to would you like anything? And she said, I'll just
find something here and he was like do you not
like and she was like no oh, and I was like,
thank you. He's alone in the house loving the sandwich place.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
So have you tried Domingos up the street?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
No? Oh, Domingos will change your life. You wait in line,
but you will change to Quinn.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Touched me.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
We go to me. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh, it's so good.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's an Italian, little Italian shop that makes everything behind
the counter, it is so good.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Do they have Conoli?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Did you have everything?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Because great Connolia?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'll give them.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They do that well. To celebrate the end of season
two and the start of season three, we just released
three new shirts and they're all available at podmetsworldshow dot com.
First up, to celebrate the greatest rapper ever cast on
Boy Meets World, we have a fresh boy shirt. It's

(05:41):
the star himself wrapping on front with his name, and
I have a feeling our favorite fans are going to
be buying this one in droves. His name is Will.
He's your host. He's the editor in charge of what
what's called video post.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
That's right, you see, shooting in the studio is only
part one cause then we bring the picture and we
begin off.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Un I love it. It's literally my it's my favorite shirt.
I can't wait to get it.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's great. Second up, we finally have the Shan shirt
we deserve. It is in the same style as our
Harley shirt. We have Sewanhunter on front and on the
back it says somewhere in between Gandhi and Soupy sales.
It's in a nice navy blue. It is the perfect
way to celebrate our favorite little emo temm gonna. I'm

(06:29):
gonna rock that one too. It's so great he was.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Wasn't he kind of an emo teen?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
That's cool because he was an.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Emo teen for sure. And lastly, and right in our
obscure wheelhouse, we created the first ever official band shirt
for the Tongues. Oh Yeah, Alan Matthews' high school band
that he reunites unsuccessfully in the episode Band on the Run.
The front has the Tongue's logo which we just made up,

(06:54):
and it says four guitars, one sound on the back
detail the Boys are back tour with the members Alan Matthews,
Mickey Dolans, Rick Nielsen, and Billy Vera, and it says
the tour stops which are Bethany Ashley, Paula Amy, and
finally a sold out show at the Matthews House. It

(07:16):
even mentions the show's opener, Jojo Mann and brother B.
So I mean these are three these, these are three
real favorites. All three are available now at podmeetsworldshow dot com.
Just some real hits, so go get them now.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
And Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm
Right or Strong, and I'm wil Fudell. So we are
so happy to welcome back Bruh meets World, our favorite

(07:54):
fan created Boy meets World Recap podcast, which is hosted
by Siege and TC, two child friends who say they
approached the sitcom with a melanin point of view. We
had so much fun recapping season one with them. We
have brought them back to recap the second season of
Pod Meets World with us to let us know how
we're doing, what shocked them, what they learned, and maybe
bring in some follow up questions for us, So let's

(08:17):
bring in siege and tc.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
Every time. It doesn't get any less cool.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Guys, it's cool.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Every single time.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Come on, and you just saw us in person. We
got to give each other.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Squeeze eggs, which, by the way, writer smiled than our photo.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
I don't know if you guys know.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
That sure did.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Occasionally he can fake happiness with the best of the.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
We are thrilled to be here.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Absolutely well. You guys are much further along than us.
You guys are creeping up into the series finale right
season okay, so you're ending, you're almost ending season six? Okay.
So we try to avoid your videos online, not because
we don't love you, but because we do not want
the spoilers. So could you give us a little heads up?

(09:11):
How how mad are we going to be?

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Less mad and more. I'm very interested, and I feel
like so many of our fans are interested to see
how you respond to certain storylines. Yeah, there is so
much depth that you go into, and then there's also
a lot of depth that's hinted at and never dived into.
Like so many people are like, we can't wait till
the pod gets to your episodes. We feel the same way.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Also, you guys are still learning Shakespeare in college, so
get used to that.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I love it. So we still have time to start
our other podcast that's just us, the book Club podcast.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
How are we not all Shakespearean scholars by this point.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Every year?

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Yeah, there's a lot in the future episodes, and I
know you guys don't want spoilers, but we are trying
to figure out because you guys have brought on writers
and producers who are like, you know, it was a
different time period. We had different ideas of what was acceptable.
We did our best, and it's no like disrespect to
anyone who was involved with the show, But there are

(10:21):
episodes where you're just like why, why, why would you
do this? Why would you do this to Penga, Like
she deserves better? Like there's so many situations like that.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And to that point, you guys have had so many
writers on that we have kind of like talked a
lot of grab about their episodes and I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
They're listening to.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I love that. I just can't wait to see Eric
get smarter. That's what It.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Is so funny that you mentioned that because one of
the things that he and I were talking about right
before we got on here is the different types of intelligence.
Like you guys have really brought up this idea of
like dumb Eric or dumb Sean, And in my mind
in our podcast, we talk a lot about how it's
just different forms of intelligence. Like Sawn has street smart,

(11:14):
like that's he's great at business. You guys will learn
to see that, like if it comes to like a
business idea, he jumps in and he's just on it.
And even with Eric, he is so creative in ways.
And it's like we love to champion different forms of intelligence.
And this show is very much like school is the answer, right,

(11:34):
School is the way that you are measured to be smart. So,
like I think you guys will love the journey that
both Eric and Sean go on because it's just a
different form of intelligence.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I'll buy that.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
And also, you know, Me and Siege are both neurodivergent,
and so it's really easy to kind of see those
traits within Sean and Eric's characters as well that it's
like maybe are not dumb. Maybe they are you know,
have a different way of thinking about the world and
life around them.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
Right, It is interesting though, I mean we talked about
when the I forget is it the pop quiz episode
when Corey is also not that.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Getting just as bad as great Seines or.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Yeah wow, so this is like everybody has you know,
everybody struggles in this entire this universe of boy Me
toward like except to Banga, everybody else is just kind
of clueless.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, Sean had to be explained what school was in
that episode as well.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I know that's what I was going to say. I
was going to argue that when when Sewan says what
to open a book? What when he says what about
seventy five times? I do argue that maybe that's playing
on a dumb joke. I don't I don't mind it.
I also Eric's.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Dumb, Sean's dumb, Corey's dumb.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
When do we just blame Foene.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Seriously when you know.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Exactly can't get an A out of Italy?

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Also, I did think with that episode it hit me
later and maybe I actually read a comment on Instagram.
Maybe I had read something that somebody was like, well,
we don't know what the sixteen was out of what
if the total test was worth twenty five? And it
was like a sixteen out of twenty five, because we
don't say whether it's sixteen points or sixteen like what it.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Is, So what the implication?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I know, Well, I'm just trying. I'm trying to find things,
So let's get into it. I'd like to start this
one the same way we started the last one. Have we,
in any way during season two ruined any part of
the show for you?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
This is me I wanted to say while I was
thinking about this question. You guys have done such a
good job at making this feel like one big family reunion.
I don't think that you've ruined it because constantly it
feels like we are just getting to see you reconnect
with all of the old stuff and our actors, and

(14:04):
it enhances it. One of the things I said to
Tea was we grew up with you watching this show,
and this pod allows us to continue to grow up
with you. Maybe not the characters, but we are still
learning life lessons with the people who we've been watching
our entire lives. So you haven't ruined it. You've only
continued the series in a way.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Great and the conversations that you are having are things
that we and are you know as thirty somethings are
having ourselves unpacking our childhoods, unpacking the things that you
know shaped us who we are. So in that way,
the lessons that we're learning from you now are almost
as impactful, if not more impactful, than the lessons we
got from the show.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I love it too, Thank you for that. Okay, great, Well,
I don't want to delay you guys. You guys are
the ones who are here to question us today, so
go ahead and jump right in.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Absolutely. I think one of the things that we had
is like in the second season, it's funny you guys
have I've talked very much about how Corey seems to
believe that like no one cares about him, and yet
he's the most popular person. I feel like has kind
of in that way where you guys felt like, oh,
no one's watching, and yet everyone's like, oh my god,

(15:14):
this was such an important shown. Been was like discovering
how impactful it's been in the second season. I feel like,
you guys blew up.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Man, that's funny. I never even thought about that, But
you're right.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
We we joke, we're like, Eh, nobody's but Corey feels
like nobody's even knows who he is, and yet he's
the most popular kid in school. I think we, I
mean I think we when we started doing conventions certainly
and we got to have those face to face conversations
with people where they got to say what the show
meant to them or what our characters meant to them.

(15:48):
I think we realized back then, like, Wow, this show
really had an impact on people. And I think that's
when the conversation started between us about like, well, why
why did our show makes like why was our show
so different? Why did it make such an impact? But
I don't know, have you guys will I.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Think it's changed a little bit with the pod because
well a lot with the pod, but because I think
the conventions are a very self selecting group. I mean,
those are people that you know, are you know, more
than your typical fan, Like they're not somebody who casually
watched Boy Meets World. There are usually people who are
seeking us out to meet us, to take a photo
with us, or get you know, get an autograph, and
so those are I mean, to meet those people was

(16:30):
obviously like a bit, you know for me just acknowledge, like,
oh my gosh, this this show. But I feel like
the podcast is invited in even wider fan base of
people who just grew up watching the show, didn't really
think about it so much, wouldn't necessarily like want to
come meet us at a convention, but they'll listen to
our podcast and then they have reached out to us,
either through letters or so. It has felt like we've

(16:51):
like I'm I'm more aware of different types of Boy
Meets World watchers now, like I feel like a conventions,
I always felt like I was kind of meeting the
same person or the same type of people, you know, like, oh,
we're all like the fans, like the people who really know.
And now it's like we're getting feedback from people.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Were like, oh, I like this season. I like a
little bit of Boy Mets World.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
But now I've been listening to your podcast and you know,
and they have opinions, and I like that.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
It's cool.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
It's it's cool to think that there's just all you know,
there's a whole a wide array of people out there.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
Dias.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's also I think we talked about this before.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
When we first started, we were that show that never
got any publicity.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
They kept moving us around. We were at eight thirty
we were at nine thirty. We were at nine o'clock.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Every other show that came on the TGF lineup started
to do all this press. It was Melissa Joonhart all
over the place, or it was Family Matters and and
so we just kind of felt like the little show
that just kept going. Like I always I always said
we were the younger version of Wings, and everyone's like,
what is Wings? And I'm like, yeah, Wings went out
eight seasons, yeah, and so it's we were. That's why

(17:55):
that I think we always felt like that is because
the show really took off in popularity on the second
run when it was what they did Disney Channel and
then they did MTV, and so I think that's when
all of a sudden we started to realize, oh, it
was getting really popular. So that kind of sticks with
you when you have that first reaction of yeah, we're
on a show and our fans love us, but will

(18:17):
never be I mean, I remember it was season seven
when TV Guide came down and interviewed all of us
and we were.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Like TV Guides here, they know we're on TV.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
So it was Yeah, I think that stuck with us,
that feeling of like we're just that show that keeps
going and we're not super popular, and that's okay. We're
having fun, we're enjoying and frankly, I think it made
for a better product because we were towards the end
entertaining each other.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, and I think.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
You could see that we were like just making each
other laugh and be having fun with each other and
inside jokes that made it into the show.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
And I think it made for a better product because
we thought we were just entertaining the three hundred people
that were there to watch our show and each other.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
So you guys have this podcast that you guys are
you know, last time we talked, you talked to how
important it was for you guys to like reclaim this
narrative and reclaim you're part of boy Meet's world. And
now you guys are going on tour and you're having
these open, vulnerable conversations in front of an audience. Is
there any nerves going into just like taking the show

(19:15):
on the road and having these conversations in front of
a crowd.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, yeah, but not I think for me, at least,
not so much about having these conversations in front of
people or on the road, because you know, I am
an open book sometimes to a fault. I know writer
is that way to Will is a little more guarded,
but he's also very comfortable with creating boundaries. I'm always

(19:43):
really proud of him for that that he is guarded
and has boundaries that he puts up, but he doesn't
refuse to participate in the conversation. He participates to the
level that he feels comfortable and he's and we respect
that and appreciate that, and I love that about him.
So I don't think we're worried about having those conversations
on the road, but certainly taking the show on the
road and figuring out what the show is. And we

(20:04):
all take such pride in the podcast, but the podcast
is us just having our conversations. It doesn't feel like
a ton of quote unquote production, and a live show
feels like there needs to be a level of production
that we will feel very proud of. And so I
think the nerves come from not wanting to let people

(20:25):
down and wanting to give people a great time, and
wanting to have a you know, snazzier production value than
maybe we have with us having a conversation. I don't
want to speak for all of us, but that's how
I feel about it.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, No, I feel the same way. I don't want
to talk about it because I don't like to talk not.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Kidding about I don't talk about live shows.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't talk about that. I don't talk about live shows.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
No.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Literally, right before you both came on, producer Jensen Karr,
husband of this podcast, we were all like, hey, how
are we getting from city to city?

Speaker 4 (20:52):
And we're well, we're figuring it out.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
So we're I mean, every live show we've done now
we'll have fifteen or twenty minutes worth of rehearsal an
hour before the show starts, and frankly, it gives us
the energy when we get out there.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
We kind of like it. We're nervous before because we're like,
maybe we.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Haven't figured out exactly what we're doing, but then we
get out there and the energy takes over and we
start talking and then it's we're good.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
The thing is, the audiences have been so great that
we feel and so it's really like, yeah, I was nervous,
and when wed our show in San Diego, I was just like,
what is this going to be?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And then we walked out there and it was like.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
Oh, these are our people, Like everything we say, like
they know it's like all of our you know, this
private what feels like a very private conversation we've been
having suddenly feels very public in a wonderful, like warming way.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
They started yelling stuff out and we're like having conversations
with them like.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
No, no, it's the side yard, it's the back You're like, well,
I mean it was yeah, it was amazing. It was amazing. Yeah,
it was great.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You really created like a second community also for like
the SOLT it's like all the in jokes of the
pod itself. You're right, like so many people are like
team Sideyard, Team Backyard. Like it's it's fantastic to watch,
and when you attend these shows you can feel that
sense of community again. It's like one big family reunion
that we're all invited to be a part of.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
It was so amazing seeing you're at the live show
right right where you said, and you guys lailed and
I was like, yeah, they go, oh it's.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
I literally stopped myself so many times. You guys were
like who was that person from that?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I was like, I was like, you will have
our own moment to talk with them. You let other
people participate.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
That is so cute.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
I was just gonna say to kind of segue. You know.
When Dede was on the show, she discussed how kind
of like difficult it was to watch, you know, Danielle
writer struggle with bring out towards the end of the show.
Now you guys are going on tour, you host multiple podcasts,
Danielle has like a thousand businesses. Will's constantly doing voiceover.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Like, how do you guys, yeah, writers.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Teaching, How do you guys manage your busy schedules now
prevent yourself from burnout? How do you keep your mental
health in place when there's so much going on?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's a good question, and for me, it's an exercise
and a giant calendar. Yeah, oh yeah, that's my answer. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
I actually feel better being busy, Like I feel like
I'm much healthier when I'm busy, because you know, so
much of my life is writing and that's like self
discipline and forcing myself. So I actually find I get
more done the busier I am. So having the podcast
on our plate has been great, Like I'm like, no,
it was, you know, especially like twenty twenty pandemic not

(23:40):
working and having free time and putting the pressure on
myself to write constantly. That was harder on my mental
health and being busy.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
So I like being busy.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think one of the things I'm the most proud
of is that I really do consider myself to be
a person who learns from my mistakes. And I learned
from the mistake of taking Boy Meets World. For granted,
I learned from that mistake, especially through talking it out
on the podcast, that like this time when I get

(24:10):
to these like all of the things that I'm doing now, directing,
having the hair care company, uh, doing this podcast, going
on the road with the guys, doing the live shows,
being a wife and a mother to two kids. These
are things I dreamt of. I literally dreamed of these
things and wanted them so badly, and I have them

(24:33):
all and I am succeeding at them. And if I
were to feel like, oh, I'm just so exhausted, I'm
just so burnt out, I'm just well blah, I'd be
doing the exact same thing I did when I was
on Boy Meets World. And I'm just not doing that.
I'm going, yeah, I'm busy, Yes I'm tired, but I
am also this is the life I dreamed of for myself.

(24:56):
It's everything I ever wanted. And it is also getting
easy you like, writer said, I am happier when I'm busier. Also,
as my kids get older, they are getting easier. It's
not so it's not quite as demanding, and so I'm
just I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
But you know what I think, Writer, I think one
of the things that is will be a benefit. And
you're the one who told me this. One of the
benefits of having two is that they really do play together,
and they're starting to do it already. And so even
though they're still very much like if they have their choice,
the person they want to be with is mommy, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, mommy.
The person they want to do everything is mommy. But
every now and then the two of them are off

(25:36):
and it's quiet, and I'll think it's quiet, something's going on,
and I'll turn the corner and they are just playing
with each other.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
The creepiest thing is them playing quietly.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Exactly of course, exactly to your point, Danielle. You know,
it was so amazing to hear those interviews with us
when we were kids, and to hear that I.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Wanted to be a screenwriters a filmmaker.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
It was like such a reality check of like, oh, right,
I am achieved exactly exactly And I didn't even realize
that I was vocalizing that the first season of Boy Me,
but clearly I was. And so yes, I have to
remind myself like I've already I've done it like I did,
you know, like and exactly the same way.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I have to be happy and be like, oh, the
struggle is that my script is taking a long time
to write. I'm writing a screenplay.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's my job when.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I make a living doing it.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Doing it like you know, well not right now, I'm
on strike. But am I writing anything right now?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Well that's so fantastic. Actually, as you said, learning that
your childhood dreams have have come true in that way,
I feel very similar, I think, and I feel very similar.
It's like, how are we doing this? We enjoyed so much?
Uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
It just seems like you guys have been able to,
you know, really establish gratitude in these years in your career.
You're able to kind of game perspective, you know, you
guys have kind of started the fraternity of child actors
who you guys have brought on to kind of talk
about their experiences. Some of them had easier times transitioning
than others. You know what, it's what has it been

(27:13):
like for you guys to kind of invite these larger
conversations about child actors and the circumstances that you guys
grew up And it almost feels like trauma bonding and
a lot of those yeah people, but you know, what's
it been like for you guys.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
One of the things I love about that aspect of
this show is that.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
Just like a lot of these people are people that
our audience knows, but they're not like hugely famous, you know,
they're not like household names, you know, or they're not
like all working as actors still like and I love that.
I love the diversity of like life paths that we've
been able to just investigate and get to hang out
with and like. And these are all people we like,

(27:53):
a lot of them we know and we like, or
we haven't talked to for twenty years or sometimes we're
still in touch with them, like Jody, I feel like
we've seen you know, every couple of years. So it's
like It just depends on the person. But I just
love that like for us, it kind of makes sense
that this group we all have the shared either tgif
for I don't know, it's just like there's one moment
in time where we were all in each other's lives,

(28:15):
and yet everybody's kind of doing their own thing now,
very different lifestyles.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's fun.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, It's like anything else, there's good and there's bad.
It's just that normally the good is very similar to
the good of the other child actors experience, and the
bad is usually very similar to the other bad I
mean get you find stories that repeat themselves, where on
both the good side and the bad side, you find
the great feelings you would get when you would be

(28:40):
on set and being with your fellow cast members and
relationships that you made that helped to create who you
were and and helped you grow as a person. And
then you find stories about you know, we constantly hear
about the parents who weren't the best people on the set,
and parents take their money and a drug, you know,
a drug abuse. So there's a lot that bonds us
both in the good and the bad, and it's something

(29:01):
that there's a safety in getting back together and talking
about it, because, as Riders said, everybody gets to a
different place, but we can all look back now as
adults and kind of, you know, bond again over the
good and the bad.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
So it's great having those conversations. I really do love
seeing all these people again.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think whenever, like you two were talking about being neurodivergent,
and you know, when you meet another neurodivergent person and
instantly there's a sense of like, Okay, we have shared
experiences that if you are not neurodivergent you do not
understand them. You can empathize with me, but if unless
you've walked in my shoes, you do not understand what
it feels like. Being a child actor is very much

(29:40):
the same way if if you've never done it, you
can empathize, you can learn, but you can't ever really know.
And I think it can be that way if you
were also an incredible gymnast, like you would meet another
gymnast and you'd be like, Okay, we know, we know
the quote unquote the struggle and the highs and the lows,
and so I think what's been really great about it

(30:01):
is that we've been able to have all of these people,
like writer said, we all have shared experiences, we all
have shared you know, shared histories, and yet you can
still see how totally different our lives have turned out,
how different we are as people. You can you can
have a shared foundation and it doesn't make you the
same as anyone else. And so I think it's just

(30:23):
been nice to kind of peel the mystery back, like
peel the peel the curtain back, so you can you know,
it really isn't as mysterious as it as it seems.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
So it's it's been really the only time we could
have done it, because can you imagine talking to these
people ten fifteen years ago, Like the conversation would be
so different, like it would It's like, so it's like
we had to reach middle age, right, we had to
get through like our thirties essentially to get to a
place where we can be like, all right, we're all
everybody's got pretty much who they're they're going to be
at this point, you know, and so now can we

(30:53):
reflect on this period of our life, like, yeah, I
couldn't have done it even five years ago, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, shared history is a very powerful thing, and it
can be to your detriment. I mean, there's there's times
where you think of people in your life that might
not be the most positive influences, but they're still there
because you grew up together or because you I mean loyalty.
You feel a sense of loyalty and you'll look at
some of these people and you might even say, wow,
if I met you today, I would see that you
were toxic right away, but hey, we were in fourth

(31:21):
grade together, so you're still in my life. So shared
history can be very powerful, and just sitting and talking
about it, you do, as Danielle and Ryder both said,
you do, can kind of peel away the positives from
the negatives and you take what you can from it.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
But yeah, it can be it can be a detriment
as well.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I want to say to that, like, part of what
makes your pods so important and so helpful is you
both all like all three of you are so authentic
and open and you like answer questions or ask each
other questions that I was like, there's no way they're
like be that and vulnerable, And as you said, I
think it's part of like having the maturity and kind

(31:56):
of like the distance and reflection. But to that note,
T and I had a lot of questions about, like
how being a child star affected you as adults, because
listening to this season, we've heard so many stories and
you guys even talked about like, for example, like this
second season is way more let's say touchy. There's a

(32:18):
lot more mature content happening in a way, And for that,
my question has always been, like what was it like
being an object of desire at such a young age?
Like I think Danielle at one point in time, Blake
was on and he said that like a grown man
was asking for your autograph, and he was like, I don't,

(32:40):
I don't know if I want to do that, and
like things like that. I'm like, how did that like
for each of you? You were each one like team
beat and you know we're again outjects of desire at
such a young age. How did that impact, like how
you feel about yourselves both physically or like how did
it even affect like your bating life sexuality?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
M good question, great question.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Who's gonna start starting that one?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I mean, I mean I hated it.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
I mean I think I've been pretty open about that,
Like you know, when when I felt reduced to a
sort of like you know, that teen idol thing. It
just made me so uncomfortable, and I don't know, I mean,
I think it my I've been a serial monogamist my
entire life, like I and I think that part of
that was in response to feeling overwhelmed by you know,

(33:33):
the sort of the exposure and the way that fame became,
you know that, like you know, the way the way
that basically the way that women approached me or treated
me or reacted to me, it made me go inward,
like it made me shyer than I probably would have been,
because I don't think I was ever really a shy person.

(33:55):
But when I found myself in context where girls were
screaming or there was that that certain like American tradition
of like fandom of like you know, passing out on
the Beatles or whatever like that like specific teen idle
thing that I found myself in was very overwhelming, and
I just sort of ran away from it as much

(34:16):
as possible. And part of part of that, yeah, I've
ended up being very much a serial monogamist in my life.
Like I find somebody and I'm with them and I commit.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
So that's I think that's probably partly.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
In response they get white Roses.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
Story.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, I had a very interesting relationship with it because
I came from my town where I was not popular.
I could not get a date. Girls did not like me.
To being on a show where stars wanted to date me,
it was really weird. When I finished the first season
of The Boy Mets World, I went home and couldn't

(35:01):
get a date from my prom. So I was in
the parking lot with a bunch of hippie kids to
go bowling who were younger than me because they weren't
didn't have to go to prom. They were like sophomores,
and we couldn't go bowling because they were wearing tevas
without socks, so they wouldn't rent us the shoes, so
they smoked you know, smoke.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Pot in the parking lot that night. That's how I
spent my senior prom because I couldn't get a date.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I was on Boy Meet's World and I couldn't get
a date, So it was really weird. And like Wrider,
I would always cover the bizarreness of it all by
being as big as I could and being the center
of attention. When then I'd just go home and kind
of be by myself. So it wasn't until I met
my wife that I was more comfortable being with somebody

(35:47):
than I was being alone. I was just always more
comfortable being alone, and I would go years, I mean
seven eight years with just by myself.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So yeah, it was. It was a weird juxtaposition to
me of wait a second, why, because it put me
on guard. It's like, why, all of a sudden, now
are these beautiful women paying attention to me and they
want to date me? Where the girls I grew up
with don't want to have anything to do with me.
So it must be just because I'm on TV.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Right, which can't which then felt Yeah, it felt fake,
and it was, and it probably wasn't that it was
probably that I was just it was, you know, a
very small version of PTSD from my height from middle
school and high school to then. You know, I was
able to be more myself when I lived by myself
and and was in Los Angeles and doing what I love.

(36:36):
So I was probably more open to the idea and
and and more comfortable in myself and more confident, and
so that showed.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
When it came when when I would be around young women.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
But it it was so.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Weird to me to go from just not having a
date to then like, wait, why is Nikki Cox even
talking to me? It was really bizarre, and it happened
in like a day.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Yeah, yeah, I love you.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yes, I know, And so it was very, very strange.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
By the time I was dating Love, I was far
more comfortable in myself and she and I had a
wonderful relationship, so that was nice, and that was kind
of I always considered love the relationship that most people
have when they're like fourteen. Does that make sense where
it's like that first pure we couldn't stand to be
more than six inches away from each other.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's like the normal high school relationship you have.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
I just happened to have it when I was nineteen
or twenty, but that was normal for me. I did
some things in my life very very early, you know,
lighting up a cigarette at ten years old, and some
things in my life I found very very late.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So that's kind of how it affected me. But Danielle
as a girl and then a woman, that must be
a totally different thing.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, so excited to hear this.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it definitely. It definitely took a
lot of I didn't really process how it affected me
as a teenager, or how it affected me in my
twenties or even in my thirties, up until the last
few years, and then I was really able to look
back on it and connect the dots. I, as we've

(38:09):
talked about, as a kid, I always wanted to be older.
I always wanted to be an adult. I wanted to
be seen as an adult, and so getting adult male
attention as a teenage girl felt like. I didn't think
of it as being creepy or weird. I felt like
it was validation that I was mature and I was

(38:33):
an adult, and I was capable of and you know,
and that they were seeing me the way I was,
not for the number on a page. And in hindsight,
that is absolutely wrong, and well it's I'm.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Wrong in a key. You were very mature, and yes,
do you know what I like?

Speaker 7 (38:53):
You were very advanced in those areas, specifically like you
came across.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I've always been able to hold a conversation with an adult.
I've always been I could look you in the eye.
I've always been those things. But in a romantic male
gaze sense, I should not have been outwardly talked about
at fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old now, and I was

(39:21):
even directly to me, I had, you know, I had
people tell me they had my eighteenth birthday on their calendar.
I had. I had a male executive when I did
a calendar at sixteen, and he specifically told me he
had a certain calendar month in his bedroom. And I

(39:42):
at the time, although the first thought when when I
heard like that, my first thought was a little like oh,
the immediate thought after that was yes, because I because
we are peers. Because we're peers, and this isn't acceptable.
This is how you relate, and this is how you
relate to peers. And so what it ended up doing

(40:02):
for me is that while I was on the show,
because the majority of people I spent my time around
were and I split my time between my regular high
school I had my regular high school boyfriends. Everybody heard
me tell the story about my high school boyfriends, but
they've also heard me talk about, you know, dating Jonathan
Taylor Thomas and then you know obviously Lance Bass, and
so I had a little bit of both. After Boy

(40:22):
Meets World ended, I was also I have been my
whole life mostly a serial monogamist. But what it really
did was it made me bad at boundaries. I was
so I was so focused on not wanting people to
think that I was that I thought I was too

(40:43):
good for them, that I had absolutely no expectations of
how you're supposed to talk to me, of how you're
supposed to treat me. I would stick it out for
the sake of sticking it out because I didn't want
anyone to think I thought I was better than them
or that they were not good enough for me. And

(41:04):
it wasn't until I was in my late thirties that
I went, Okay, I've had failed relationship after failed relationship,
and I could easily point the finger and be like, well,
that's because this guy was this, and that's because this
guy was this. But at the end of the day,
I'm the one doing the selecting and I'm the one

(41:26):
picking these people, and what am I doing wrong? And
I really Then it was during Girl Meets World that
I took that time to say, you need to figure
this out because it's you, and it's during it was
during that time that I really realized how few boundaries
I had, and I started setting up boundaries and you know,
we've talked about it before. One of the biggest light

(41:46):
bulbs that went off for me is how much easier
it is to hold a boundary than it is to
knock them all down and then expect them to be
picked back up again once you cross boundary. Once you
let's use a totally hypothetical example. Once you are having
a conversation with a dear friend at work at the

(42:07):
water cooler, and then you start talking about your marriage
and maybe we have a problem in our marriage. And
then they say, oh, it's so bad, you know, it's stupid.
We should get dinner sometime. And then you go to dinner,
and then you talk about your problems in your marriage
with a friend over at dinner. And then next thing
you know, I don't know how it happened, but suddenly
I'm sleeping with this person and I don't know, I
didn't intend for it to happen. Well, it's like there
was a series of boundaries that were knocked down that

(42:28):
led to that point. It didn't happen overnight. And so
if you can say, Okay, before I enter this new
work relationship or friendship or whatever it's going to be,
I'm going to set clear boundaries for what is acceptable
and what's appropriate, and then I'm just not going to
knock them down. It's much easier to maintain those. So
that but that was you know, I thirty seven years

(42:49):
in the making.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's so fantastic.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
There's so much about what you guys have talked about
in terms of identity and sexuality, which I kind of
felt like was a through line not just for season
two of Boy Met World, but also season two of
your podcasts. Kind of understanding, you know, how sexuality was
thrown on you at a young age, but also trying
to reclaim your identity. And even the guests you've brought
on have kind of talked about, you know, you know,

(43:14):
wanting to be seen for more than the characters they
were portrayed, or wanting to be seen for more than
just you know, these ideas that were thrown at them
at a young age. You know, working as child actors,
it seems as though it's been it was it was
difficult to navigate child in adult relationships when you're working
with adults as your peers. I guess I'm trying to

(43:34):
figure out, how have you what lessons did you guys
learn getting out of that and how have you been
able to kind of educate the next generation on how
to navigate those waters easier. I mean, you're working on
Girl Meets World. You know, what advice would you give
Sabrina Carpenter for how to you know, balance those relationships.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
That's a very great question.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Anybody want to jump in ahead, Danielle Okay.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I am. It's such a fine line to walk because
we've all talked about it, Writer, Will, myself, and how
sets operate in ways that most normal workplaces would never

(44:20):
There's a lot of actors in general are touchy feely.
There's a lot of you know, coming in for the
day and seeing each other and hugging immediately, and then
hugging again before you go to lunch, and hugging again
when the day is over, and then twelve hours later
you see each other and you hug again, and you
give each other piggyback rides to the set and and
there's just all.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
In a family and how you're all a part of it.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
And we are a family. And it's hard because I
do think of Writer and Will as my family. They
are family to me, for better or worse. I will
love them no matter what they are my family. But
I and Sets talk about it all the time. Oh,
we're building this family, We're building this family. No, you

(45:03):
are professionals at a workplace. And the truth is, when
this show is over within a couple of years, you're
probably not all going to be at each other's birthday
parties or at Easter or at Passover at each other's houses.
That's what family does. You see each other regularly, you
call for advice. After the show ends, these relationships will

(45:26):
probably start to fizzle because that's just naturally what happens
unless you form very deep bonds with people. And so
it is a very fine line to walk where you
don't want to seem like the person who's saying I'm
not your family, stay away from me and now I'm
cold and a witch or you know, being rude. But

(45:47):
I also do not want you to feel as though
you have to treat me like the family member that
I truthfully am not. So that is it is a
fine line to walk, and I think as adults, it
is your responsibility to not cross those boundaries. It is
your responsibility to set the walls of yes, I am
here for you and want you to feel comfortable coming

(46:08):
to me. And you should trust me because I am
a trustworthy person. So I'm going to prove that to you.
But I also I also need to maintain you know,
I don't know the appropriate boundary that a twenty seven
year old or a thirty something year old woman should
have with a fifteen year old girl or boy.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
So it's perfect, It's so it was so obvious on
our set, how generational it was too, because the person
who set the best boundary was Bill. Bill would come in,
he would be there on time, he'd know all of
his lines, he'd spend the vast majority of time in
his dressing room. He would come out for rehearsal. He
would be very kind when we were there for the
most part. I mean, he could be a little bit

(46:52):
of a curmudgeon. We all know Bill is Bill Grumpy,
a little grumpy occasionally, but we loved him more for it.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
But you so, the lines, as Daniel was saying, they're
not just blurred.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Sometimes they're obliterated in really, really horrible ways. I mean,
when you're sitting there on a set and a forty
five or fifty year old man comes up and elbows
you in the ribs and then gives one of these
to Danielle, like, hey, are you looking at this?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And she's fourteen?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
That's common all the time, and you'd see the not
the guest stars are Oh the.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Skirts aren't going to be like in my mind, yeah,
because they're my age, so right for me, there would
be like it's no conversation. But in retrospect, I'm like
that person was forty five having that conversation or thirty something.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
That's why girl through me, Girl mey twirl through me
the most, because you saw, you know, I would get
there and again, I got to look at it from
a I was.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I was not the frog in the pot.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
I got to come in and occasionally kind of look
at the entire thing that was happening, and you saw
a lot of those traits where it was you'd walk
in and you know, somebody thirteen fourteen would be sitting
on somebody's lap who's thirty five, and it's and again
there's nothing overtly sexual about it, but it's still just inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
As Danielle said, if you walked.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Into a bank and two people there, there's a thirty
five year old man holding a thirteen year old girl
and they both were I mean it's like somebody would
go that unless they're related, that's not right. But because
you're on a set, you know it's all totally normal
and that's the way it's gonna be. And you hear
adults talking about their sex, lives and kids, and it's
just it's really weird. I hope that's getting better. I

(48:30):
don't know if it is. I think it is, because
you know, you have intimacy coaches and you have a
lot of different things that we didn't have at the time,
So you hope there's a progression to what's happening. But
there are some very and as an adult, and Daniel's
one hundred percent right.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It is. It's completely on the adults.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
It's not for the thirteen year old girl to say, wow,
I shouldn't run up and jump on somebody's lap because
that's inappropriate. It's for the man to go, no, no, no, hey,
I like you a lot, but why don't you sit
over there and we'll have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's just not appropriate. And you don't see that nearly
as much as you should. So it was it was
very strange.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
One of the things I've been thinking about based on
all of you know, the interviews and the conversations we've
been having in particularly with season two and where we're
making out all the time and stuff, is that there
is something intrinsically exploitative about child acting, just intrinsic to
the you know, you're you're taking somebody whose brain is
not fully formed, whose identity is not fully formed, and

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you're putting them in a position to perform a role,
to do something to you know, whether that's you know,
some sort of song and dance that they wouldn't do
otherwise you're putting them into and so the you know,
I think the goal should be to recognize that exploitative
nature and to counterbalance it as much as possible, right Like,

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create a safer space for as possible for these kids,
Provide as much security, provide as much guidance when it
comes to studio teachers or producers or whatever, directors, and
try and make that as good of an affirming an experience.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
As possible, because reality is, you.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
Wouldn't be making out with this person, but you're going
to because it's your job. And you know that's at thirteen,
your job is kissing another third.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Like that's a weird thing.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
That is something there's something somewhat exploitive about that, like
no matter what, and that doesn't mean it's bad. It's
just I've been recognizing that through this process, like, oh,
like we didn't think it was bad, and I don't
think it really was that awful for most of us
during at the time.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
In retrospect, it is a little weird. Yeah, it's a
little different.

Speaker 7 (50:38):
It's not your typical high school experience, and so we
have to take that into account and like recognize that
as part of our journey.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's also like, I think what's so great is that
both in the pod, you guys, of course you're handling
these really heavy topics, and in the show you were
always handling really heavy topics in a way that felt relatable.
Like I know, you guys just got off the last
episodes of season two and to me, like I've talked
about like that episode where Chet comes end and Chet

(51:08):
is so charming and he's so like lovable, but there's
all of like this really toxic parentage that goes along
with Chet. I think that it's such a That's what
you were asking, like what made ourselves different? I was like,
I think the ability to kind of bring these kind
of imperfect characters and the duality of something like a

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child star is a great opportunity, but it also exposes
you to a lot or again, you can have someone
as charming, an adult as charming as Chet be something
that everyone's drawn to, but at the exact same time
he's doing awful things.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Talked about it. We just we just covered that episode.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
You know, Are those those two episodes really the end
of the season, And yeah, we had that exact point,
which is the Chet is so and that's what's so
great about the writing and the performance is that he's
so likable. Well he's just bailing on his kids in
the worst possible way.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I want to hear. I want to talk season two,
like I think we need to. Yeah, yeah, because I'm
so curious, like.

Speaker 7 (52:08):
You know, having been through we haven't we haven't quite
had the conversation of like a macro.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
View of season two.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
Do you guys have like a shorthand or like a
way that you think of season two?

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Do you have a feeling?

Speaker 6 (52:20):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I definitely feel that season two
is an exploration of identity, not just as you know,
Sean and Corey try to navigate through who they are
in high school and trying to find you know, you know,
am I cool? Am I?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
This?

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Tim right that? But also the show in general is
like who are we? You know, what's our identity? As
Boy Meets World, you know, we're doing this massive change
from season one, and it just feels like that there's
similarities happening on screen and off screen in terms of
searching for your voice and identity, your.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Half fifth, your half happy days and half like the
old seasonal Boy meets Protea where you had like Harley
somehow in the fifties, but like all of these modern,
modern clothes and modern problems. It was a really fun
exploration season two to just kind of see the world
expand you know, like if we're talking about Boy Meets World,

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season two is really where his world starts to expand
we get a little less of the family, which is
really sad, but it absolutely brings in so many different
characters and different Like the guest stars that you guys
brought on were just because you had so many storylines
that had really good relations for Corey to interact with.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, we at the beginning of season two, we felt
what we called drop shock. I think Will's the one
who came up with drop shock. Did you guys also
experience dropshock coming into season two? And if so, when
did that wear off for you?

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Okay, So, speaking as a lifelong fan of the show, no,
not at all, because the transition, Like I know that
it was shocking for you guys maybe a back are
especially watching it now, But being that demographic, I was like, yeah,
go to school, like make this relatable to me. Talk
about the teachers, talk about the faculty, like those were

(54:09):
all like, you know, you guys were kind of mentioning
how the sex stuff was, you know, awkward, but there's
also some truth to the fact that these are the
conversations that kids are having at this age. Yea, and
for to be a kid at that age, I was like, yeah,
like how do I say hi to a girl?

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Right?

Speaker 6 (54:25):
Like all of these things so you guys are you
guys matured a lot in the season, but it reflected
the you know, what your audience was maturing into as well.
I think.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Okay, good. Also, I do think even if you weren't
having those conversations, you were curious about those conversations. You
wanted to watch other kids talk about them, because that's
how you learn.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
You like to think as you get older that you're
basically every thought wasn't consumed by sex when you were thirteen.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Forteen, well, I forget, yeah, but it was.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
In some way or another.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
The conversation was about kissing or how far you went,
what base you were on you heard. I mean, those
are things you heard all the time, So that was
I think we I'll speak just for myself. I think
I came at season two a little more high and mighty,
where it was like, that's not what kids talk about
when it's like, that's.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Exactly what kids about it, That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
And it took me some episodes to be like, no,
this is actually what it's like. And it's I'm being
a little self aggrandizing and a little you know, up
on my own pedestal, like this.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Is just caught up in the age of season one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it wasn't as much of a reality. It was more
like do you like a girl or maybe kiss a girl?
Where it's like season two was like pairing off, you're
making out, going on, yeah, which is true.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Which I was talking to friends about that and they
were reminding me of stuff where they're like, dude, don't
you remember the parties we would have in seventh grade?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I was like the ones I wasn't invited to it goes.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
But we would have them where you know, there it
was like making out or learning different ways to kiss,
or it was like, you know, so apparently this was
all normal.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I just blocked it out or wanted to think I'd
outgrown it. But yeah, it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
To Tea's point. Season two is also really heavily about
how that age of like thirteen twelve thirteen, you're trying
on different identities, like the idea that Corey is constantly
being like am I cool enough to be here? Or
what does it say about Sean that he was invited
to this party and I'm not. Like there is so

(56:24):
much of like even Ingrid coming in and being like, hey,
this is who I was, but I want to be cool,
And I feel like that's again so relatable to what
kids that age are going through, just like trying to
find out who do I want to be? Like, even
when they are interviews, there's like this innate understanding of
like what you want, but like how do I express
that authentically?

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Yeah, the characters you know, seem to be seeking outside validation,
which is something that's so typical of that age group too.
You know, how do I find meaning and purpose? It's
outside validation. So you see Corey being like, let's start
a band, Let's do this, let's do that, let's try
to win over, let's take over a radio show because people,
you know, and it's all to kind of get the
approval of those around him, which is.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Trying to he's trying to be is yeah, yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Do you think there were any episodes we were too
hard on or or an episode that we like particularly
loved that you guys are like, that's not a great one.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
It's actually funny to me there are episodes where there
are lots of moments where you're like, I like this one.
I was like, we did not like that episode. It's
funny to like see the difference because you also know
like the behind the scenes. So I think like your
experiences really shape, Like I can't remember, I'm gonna see
if I can.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I've got a recap of all the episodes if you
want to, if you have anything.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
But there was one episode where writer was like, I
don't know if I liked this episode and then you
took a step back and you're like, oh, actually I
did like the episode. I didn't like like what was
going on behind the scenes at the time of the episode,
and like that kind of like took over, and that
really helped because I'm like, oh, boy, we are drastically
different opinions on this storyline.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
And yeah, I mean to that point, there was episodes
like The Beard, for example, where I was just like, oh,
we had major problems with that episode, but you guys
seem to have found things that you enjoyed about it,
which also changed my perspective of it as well. So
it's kind of nice to hear those different perspectives because
I think, like I say, the Beard, just because that
was the episode we rate at the lowest when we
just it was just this idea of just like, don't

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watch this girl while I figure out if I like it.
In fact, you know, we do kind of like a
rating system for every season, and season two was like
just beat by season.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
One for us because of how.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
Like the women were kind of treated throughout the show
and things like that were kind of knocked it down.
So it's it's it's trying to find, you know, the
the highs and lows and appreciate things for what they were.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Regardless of Honestly, I think we started pulling back our
because when you realize like that that there are there
are like so for me, I was looking at the
listen that the my favorite episodes are all the ones
where there is a female that comes into Corey's life
who is really dynamic and interesting, so that TK with
her episode, the Wendy episode breaking up is really really

(59:14):
hard to do and uh turnaround and each one of
those are you know, sorry, Danielle, they're non to Panga
Corey relationships. But what's great is that the storyline is
driven by a character with a fully developed Where's the
other episodes like the Beard or the band episode or
uh even the President run like these, and then then

(59:37):
the one we just talked about with Corey becomes a
chalk the Thriller and Philip it's like girls are literally
props for Corey and Seawan and they're.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Just like, did we get the girl?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Did you use this girl to do?

Speaker 7 (59:46):
And you know, and that you know, we just stopped
talking about it because I feel like we didn't want
to hit that too hard on our recaps, you know,
like when you reach the beard, it's like, that's just
the way this episode is going to go, Like it's
not you.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Know, Like I would also argue, though, writer that like
Thriller and Fill is a perfect example. Other than our
core cast, the guys were props too, So it's like,
you know, all the wrestlers, they didn't have fleshed out backstories. Hey,
big good looking wrestler guy he named Savy, you know.
I mean, so it's like we we focus on the
fact that the women were kind of what you know,
one dimensional, not even two dimensional. They were one dimensional,

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but a lot of the guys were too. They would
guest stars that would come in and if you weren't
a Griff or a Frankie, it was like, we don't
care about your backstory. Say your lines, get us to
the next point of the show and we'll go from there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
So I think that was more.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
Perfect about them in terms of dating, Like, you know,
the characters themselves were reducing women to like Candy, like literally, Candy,
your name, Candy, I want you, and you come with
the jacket and like that not one of the thing
for the character to be reduced, which was true, but
also for us as the main characters to consistently reducing
women to sure, you know, get in them or not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
It was pretty crappy.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Yeah, you know, I'm curious because you guys have had writers,
producers you know, come on and you know they kind
of get really matter of fact, Hey, there's only so
many pages that we can feel like, you know, there's
all of these circumstances that kind of shape the stories
that we're being told. I'm curious, like, how has you know, uh,
rewatching these episodes, having these conversations with the creators you know,

(01:01:14):
shaped and you guys, you know, going through and doing
your critique, how has this shaped your idea of story
structure and how you you know, like writer, you you
write screenplays like you are now analyzing you know, a
television show almost like there's your part time job now,
So like how is this like how is this you know,
impacting the rest of your careers?

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Mostly I'm mostly very I'm impressed with our writers, like
you know, and I'm impressed with how consistently well structured
these stories are. Like no, I mean I think that
what's what's both I think it's maybe a strength and
a weakness of season two is how how uh multi personality.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
It's like, you know, the tone is just all over
the place.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
Like you have episodes that are such romps and farces
where nothing is supposed to be taken seriously, and then
you have like where the season lands with Sean and
his dad and Turner like, which is taken so seriously.
And I know that that's kind of the boy meets
world thing, and and and so I don't know, like
you know, from episode to episode it's it's it's a
little like WHOA, which mode.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Are we in?

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
But within the episodes, they're very well structured for that mode,
and they actually are pretty consistent within the individual episodes.
So even when like I didn't love an episode because
it's a little too farcical for me, I have to
acknowledge that. And it delivers what it promptly, you know,
the thriller and Phila is absurd and it gets and
it delivers all the things that people want from an
absurd ridicul you know, or like Danger Boy, which I

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thought was ended up being a great episode, you know,
the fair or the roller coasters ridicular, but fine, like
you know, you just you go with it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
So I don't know, man, I'm impressed with the show.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
I think the writing is pretty solid for the most part,
besides the you know, some of the things we talked about,
like with the female characters and whatnot. Like in general, like,
our show is pretty pretty darn well written.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, it is. I think sometimes people have like I know,
for example, by Hook or by Crook, where Eric has
the tutor who gets you know, tries to get him
to cheat, and it's the Ben Has Finals episode, And
we talked about that and we were like, Wow, it's
so surprising that when Ben was gone, they didn't lean
into Eric as a comedy tool and that the episode

(01:03:24):
actually took a serious turn. And I saw a lot
of criticism online about a lot of comments on Instagram
that were like, I can't believe they didn't like this episode.
And the truth is, I don't think we felt like
we didn't like the episode. It was an observation from
us that it's it was just exactly what I said.
Interesting that in my mind I would have thought without

(01:03:44):
seeing any of the episodes it had I not seen them,
I would have looked back and I would have thought, well,
of course, and Ben's not going to be there. It's
going to be an Eric goes crazy, we have some
hysterical Eric comedy episode, and then it's the polar opposite
of that, and it's beautiful. It was a great episode
and Will did such an amazing job. And I said that,
but it was funny because I walked away from reading
some of the comments on Instagram going wait a minute,

(01:04:06):
did we did we act as though we probably disliked
the episode, because that wasn't I don't think of the
way any of us felt. We were just more like,
oh so interesting, what a choice, and it was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
It was fine, and there were some awkward moments like
you know, bend in bed with you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
There was like first storyline was own again for sure,
But as as a whole of the episode, we did
we did definitely comment about how weird that was, but
like the whole of the episode, it wasn't a bad episode,
and we actually we actually really enjoyed it. But I
did think that people I thought, oh wow, we really
the fact that we even brought up that it was
a different choice to not do a big farcical Eric

(01:04:43):
episode made people think we were saying we disliked it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Which we didn't. Yeh no. And it's also we you know,
we we don't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
You know, we don't often compliment Michael Jacobs enough, I think,
because you know, our writing staff was phenomenal, but it
all started with Michael. And Michael knows family sitcom and
it is very specific. It's not even just a niche
on television, but it's a niche within sitcom to do
a good family sitcom. And Michael knew the tone and

(01:05:14):
really knew what to push and what not to push,
and there's times you can tell he was finding it.
I mean, season two, just like you were saying, is
is a lot of it is trying to find the
tone and find itself and find the show and find
the characters. As we are all trying to do that,
so are the writers and the producers. But Michael really
really knows this genre and is very very good at it,
and I think it started to really show in season two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Absolutely it's free that you guys said that, because with
season two there are lots of episodes I remember listening
to you where you guys are like, oh, we found
our rhythm. We like you know, like you guys kind
of just felt like you mestered, you really understood what
kind of show you were making. And I feel like
there are moments like, even as listeners, I am impressed
that they were able to kind of take something like

(01:06:01):
what is it, God, I'm blinking right now on Harley
Harley's departure and then turn that around and give us
Griff and give us a character that actually made sense
for the space. And I'm totally on your team that TK.
I want to see a world where TK is just
takes that place. But they were able to kind of
turn it around and make it make sense for the

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rest of the season.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Yeah, well they hired someone who wasn't forty five years old,
so that helps you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
That helpful and a god what I got a great
character also, you know I just said Michael, and I
mean that about Michael, but David Kendall was also there
in season two, and David Kendall's another one who really
after coming off with growing pains and everything else, with
somebody else who really understood sitcom as well. So yeah,
we had we had the right team together and it showed.
I mean, it really did show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
And I think that Harley Griff is a perfect example
of that because it so easily could have just disappeared
and we never saw it again. But all of a
sudden incomes Adam Scott with this character that's phenomenal and
so nuanced and so doing things like the massage table
in the Phoenie's classroom, and it's just it was great
to watch. So yeah, that was that was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You want to get into some superlative because I.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Yes, absolutely I wanted to roll into that. Do you
guys have favorite episodes? For a favorite episode of this season?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
M Well writer mentioned some of his, but do you
want to do? You want to spell him out?

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Writer?

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Yeah, just the I think the sister Teresa turn around
and uh, the breaking up is really really hard to do.
I think breaking up is really really hard to do.
I mean it's it's such a good one, and I
just yeah, you know, obviously the old man thing is
just has such a place in my heart, Like I
love that scene so much, but it seems like it

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has a similar place in everyone's part.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
So I feel like that speaks volumes for that episode.

Speaker 7 (01:07:59):
And and then I do I just loved I love
the Wendy dynamic and the socks and Corey.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
It just worked. It was just to me, that was like,
by far the best episode of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
I don't disagree. I thought that was a great episode.
I thought for me, Eric wise, I really liked Danger Boy.
I liked the kind of working with Tony really for
the first time. And I thought the seeing Corey and
Feenie together and Corey the Corey breaking down and just
starting to cry out of nowhere is arguably my favorite

(01:08:32):
moment so far of the entire show. It was so
great moment.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Was it was so good and so and then for
me just because it meant a lot to me and
I really enjoyed it, and it's one of those moments
that I talked about, where where else do you get
this experience having Nancy Kerrigan skating around you when you're
on a frozen pond in Lake Placid is pretty wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
So those that would that, those would be my answers
for season two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Yeah, the last two episodes of the season are arguably
my two most favorite of the series so far. Career
Day and Home are just I absolutely love them, but
honorary mentions to some of my other favorite episodes. Wake
Up Little Corey is something that I really remember, so

(01:09:16):
for me, like as an actor and as the person
doing it, I liked that episode. I like you doing
that episode.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
We actually when we did our season two recap, that
was the one that was the highest rate of for
us as well, specifically because we really enjoyed how it was.
You know, it was a conversation about consent, it was
a conversation about you know, sexual accountability in ways that
we just thought was a really ahead of its time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I really liked that episode. Sister Teresa breaking up
is really really hard to do. And then, like I said,
Career Day and Home. So I agree with Will and
writer though Ben breaking down crying in that scene during
Danger Boy is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
I just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
It's just so funny. Also, Cory falling out of the
tree home.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Oh yeah, God, some.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Of my some of the biggest laughs for me are
those two moments. So yeah, I you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It really leads to my next question. And I want
to see your answers because I have like a very
strong answer, but I don't want to see if you
have to say, who is your favorite new character this season?
Because you got again lots of guest stars. Who do
you think it's like your favorite new character that was
added to the story.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
So many personal lives, like is that supposed to go
in as well?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Are we just trecking character.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
For the so many new characters, because I was gonna
say Griff, but in reality, mister.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Turner was introduced to me. Now, mister Turner was clearly
my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Me too, I have to agree. I have to agree,
mister Turner is what an addition, and and talk about
world expansion, just that one character alone expands so many
different things. It expands the school, and it expands home
life for both Corey and especially then Seawan. So world expansion,

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mister Turner. But then laughs wise, I know what you're
gonna say, Joey the rat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
He's my gosh, no one has made me laugh more
on the show than Blake Senate.

Speaker 8 (01:11:27):
I guess that's got The whole thing is I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Just love a miracle. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
When we talked to you guys last when we talked
to you guys last year, you were really disappointed about
Minka sleaving. I'm curious, how do you feel like he
would have done in this in this new environment, Like
if he had stuck around for season.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Two, I think he would have done amazing. He was
so good.

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
It would have just gotten bigger and better and more
integrated and more nuanced and like, so basically he would
have been able to take all the Alvin parts, right,
So that's like three or four episodes where he would
have had major roles just as being the nerd character.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
But then also just clearly the way.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
Lee attacked acting and and good scenes, they would have
given him so much to do and he would have
just chewed the scenery and had so much fun and
would and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
With the bullies is just the visual alone is worth
it is worth a laugh that last thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So I mean I would love to have seen that. Yeah,
he would have been great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Who is your y'all's favorite character in season two?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Uh so, mister Turner, we have, like we talked about,
we have a whole segment called turned On by Turner,
Like I have like the scene of him in like
the A shirt, yes, and I'm like like we can't deny,
like like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
He just got beautiful man.

Speaker 7 (01:12:46):
Still and those those tight pants.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
You guys know this thing like the ties. The entire
season scenes would be like look at the cup, the
cup the booty jeans though, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
In terms of laughs, I just like I have such
a place in my heart for Chet, Like I feel
like she comes in and just he's so impactful and
I'm like, this is one of those new characters where
I'm like, I'm so glad they kept it around because
he changes the trajectory of the show but does so
in such a way that like I've talked to this

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about Tea all the time. I know a chet and
I just like, you know that character so well, You're like, oh,
completely charming. People will totally buy into you. No one
really believes what you're selling, but I don't care. And
that's so dangerous but also so so real, and that's
why it's one of my favorites.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
And he, like, like Blake, he brings that to life,
Like his performance is what makes that work because of
talk about it like the whole idea of a lovable
deadbeat dad, Like I can't think of another show that
successfully pulls that off. And because of his heart and
his performance that he brings to it. He doesn't play
it as a dead bea dad. He plays it, you know,
sincere and with love, and it's just it's yeah, it's

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his performance is the thing that really just makes it
stand out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, and one of your funniest guests that you had on.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
This, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
I'm sorry, I barely heard what you guys just said
because all that's going through my head.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Is turned down. But turner.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
That song.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
I'm gonna be saying the booty jeans, jeans, cut the
booty jeans.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Well, do you guys have any final thoughts on season two?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
For us?

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Final thoughts on season two of your podcast, I just
have to say love everything you guys have done, not
only just bringing in the guests and the cast and
the crew, but also you guys brought on the therapist.
You guys are you guys got interviewed by your past selves.
It's just been the coolest season and the entire team
is doing such a great job because every time I'm

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just like, oh, like, yeah, that's what I want and
I didn't know I wanted it, you guys do it again,
and so it just keeps on happening where you guys
as fans are serving us in ways that I didn't
think we're possible. So I'm loving what you guys are
doing with season two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
When you guys go to season three, we would love
if you guys could get Eli on. We would love
if you guys s.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Please like anything is in season three issues yea three.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
Absolutely three fifteen Heart is a lonely hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I'm really excited, like if you again, we don't know
if you can. But Wesley Jonathan is one of the
very few guests of Colors that you have, and in
season three he's there, so I don't know what he's doing,
but like we're really like fools.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Episode great, okay, love that we will do that. And
so I asked if you had any final thoughts on
season two? Do you have any final questions for us
before we.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
Have one last question? It's just something that I was
curious about. You guys talked about just like the dynamics
of working with adults on set, how you know, uh,
how much of a struggle of this is some kind
sometimes to find those boundaries, especially when you're you're you're young.
Mark Bluffman was on and he kind of mentioned how

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he had challenges with creative freedom, specifically working with Michael
and last season, David told the story about like a
base a kid who loves baseball who got the love
beat out of him because the coaches were too hard.
And I guess I'm wondering, like, did you guys feel
a similar thing as child actors. Uh, this kind of
pressure to you know, get the approval, that pressure of

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feeling like your creativity was kind of dictated by one voice,
Like as as.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
A child, what was that like for you?

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
And how have you been able to kind of find
a balance as you've.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Grown cloud.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Both, Thank you much.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
I feel like I've been pretty open about this. I mean, yeah,
this has been something that I definitely have struggled with.
And I feel like if I had come to acting
as an adult, I would I would probably still be
acting to this day and really enjoying it. But because
I came into it the way I did and had
the success I did, and within the specific context of

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our show, yeah I came. I came away with a
very I think, a not great approach to acting that
you know, I have to take responsibility for. And it
wasn't until I really was older and like came to
understand what it is, what it means to be an
actor in a real sense, and then decided they didn't

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want to do it anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
So there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
But yeah, you know, I I definitely wish I could
go back and tell younger writer that he was doing
some things really right and to believe in himself and
to not to not become insecure about acting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
I wish that hadn't happened.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
I wish, you know, I'd been encouraged to keep going
and to push myself in other ways, which I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Yeah, I don't know. For me, I feel like I started,
you know, I wanted to be an actor without having
any idea what that meant. I knew nothing about acting.
I knew nothing about the craft. I also taking responsibility
for the fact that I, although I was taking some
acting classes later in life, like in later and by
later in life, I mean, you know, at fifteen and sixteen, yeah,

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later in life, I mean like in the in later
in the show of Boy Meets World. I definitely did
start taking some acting classes, but I also was working
doing you know, Boy Meets World full time. And then
when summer rolled around, I wanted to go to school
and I wanted to go on a family vacation. I
wasn't a relentless pursuer of an acting career. I didn't
want to be an actor, I don't think, and so

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as much as I walked away from Boy Meets World
feeling like I didn't really still know how to act,
I knew how to be to Panga, but I didn't
know how to act, and I was never fully comfortable
with auditioning, and I never really cared so much about
it that I was like, I've got to throw myself
in there, and I'm just willing to do any I'll
do theater, I'll do this. I just wasn't that person

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so I could very easily say yes. I felt very stifled,
and I felt like only one person had say and
whether or not I was doing well. And sure sometimes
that was true. But at the end of the day,
I think the fact that my entire acting career is
just to Panga was probably more than I could have

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ever dreamed of and was enough of a success that
I didn't ever feel the need to relentlessly pursue something
more than that. And so I just don't think I
ultimately loved acting as much as I thought I would have.
I just got lucky enough that I fell in love
with Topanga and I got to be that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Yeah, I I had a little different experience than than
they did on the show. I have never really consider
myself an actor. I always consider myself an entertainer, because, again,
like Danielle, I was never.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Like I want to learn the craft, and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Oh, I'm playing a drug addict, so I've got to
go actually shoot heroin.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Like I've never been that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
I just wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I loved making people laugh. I loved being the center
of attention.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
And I realized kind of early on in the process
that if I just did that and kind of you know,
I took advice and notes and everything around when I
thought they I needed them, and other times I just
kind of went okay and I did my thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
And because of that, I.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
Think I left with a maybe a healthier view of
acting or entertaining than some of the younger cast members did.
But it's also because I was absolutely treated differently, so
there was there was that going on, But I you know,
when when I left and found voiceover, and and that's
when the actors me more took over. When I got
to do funny voices and multiple voices at the same time,

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and that's when I really started to love that side
of the craft.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Other than that I was the guy put a camera
on me and I just want to make you laugh.
And I think I'll be that guy for the rest
of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
So so fantastic. Thank you guys for allowing us to
grow up with you again. It's so amazing to like
just see your journey and see where each of you
are and to like help like all the fans be
a part of it and just be witnessed to it. Again.
It's it's just a gift that you guys don't know
that you're giving.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
And from a fan perspective, like like last year, it
felt like you guys were just getting comfortable in the
space of boy Mee to World, and now you guys
feel like you have full ownership like it appears that way.
Do you guys feel so much more secure and confident
where you are with your relationship with boy meets World
and you know that ownership is something that is really apparent.
I think now that you guys have been doing this
for two years, two seasons, So.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Thank you so much cool, thanks guys, and thank you
both for being here and sharing your unique and wonderful
personspective and you're always so complimentary and make us feel
so good about ourselves. Also, so thank you for making
us feel warm and fuzzy. And we will see you
again at the end of season three, which we're keeping
track will probably be in about six months.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
You guys season two so great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
It feels like it, right, I know, so, I mean
hopefully we'll see you before then as well, just personally,
but also we will see you again for the recap
of season three. Thank you both for joining us, and
we'll see you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
They're so wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Can we make that a series where they just come
and just tell us we're awesome for an hour?

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
I like that idea.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I love that idea.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
We could do a bonus episode of just brumme EAT's
World compliments.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
I think, yeah, No, I.

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
Think next time we have them on, we have to
we have to be like you guys, come on, give
us some criticism, tell us what you're right completely disagreed about.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
I mean, they must disagree with us about I know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
I wish I would have pushed back far harder on
And they were like, there was one that we liked
that well. I guess they said the beard. They really yeah, interesting,
and we were probably just a little more like, well,
the obvious overall thought is pretty apparent.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
Its sicky, yes, but right well, it's like the Alan
Amy stuff. It's like we reached the point we were like,
all right, we don't need to keep bringing up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Right, we did it people understand. Let's yeah, well, I
can't wait to uh see what we're in for with
season three. Let's let's just jump right on in. Thank
you all for joining us for this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
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I said at the beginning, we have got new shirts
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send us out.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
We'll love you all. Pod dismissed.

Speaker 7 (01:24:03):
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Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,
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