Bruh Meets World...Meets World (Season 6 Recap)

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well we had are for now at least last ever
Pod Meets World Live.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
The kids want to.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Jump, no longer want to jump.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
The kids are kids are john jumping. The kids have
hurt themselves a slight meniscus tear and can no longer jump.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
The kids have fallen exactly, they can't get up.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
We had such a great tour this year.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Let's name some of the places we went.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Not let's not go back to the very beginning, because
I think we've done thirty five ish total Pod meets
World Live shows if we go back to the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
But this year we did.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Portland, Seattle, Vegas, Sacramentos, Phoenix and yes, Phoenix, Austin, Columbus, Columbus,
and then we were just in Salt Lake and we
did salt Lake, which was our last show, and it
was the only one that was a one off. It
was the only trip we took where we just did
one show and then came home. And we'll be honest,

(01:26):
ticket sales weren't amazing, and so we thought, huh, it's
just maybe not that many people want to come out
and see the live show.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
It was one of Woman's best shows and one of
the best crowds in one of the most gorgeous theaters.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And then the three of us all got teary.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Fund.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Wildly emotional, like emotion hit me in like very profound way.
It's so funny, Like I think you know, when we
first started doing live.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Shows, it was like is this the thing? Like does
anybody care about this?

Speaker 6 (02:12):
Like we're having fun and and you know those first
couple of shows when we walked out on stage and
had like the roar and felt the audience and then
started talking to the audience and engage you with them,
it was like, oh my gosh, this is that emotional too.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah. And I remember looking at you, Danielle. I'll never
forget your face. It was just full on tears, like
feeling your eyes going up. This is happening.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
And then to have that happened again last week, but
you know, in the opposite end of it, and be like,
oh wow, this is this feels right.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
This feels like we.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Were ready to like this wave has like crested and
now we should put this away for a little bit.
And and it was amazing to me how many people,
like we had like three different people that had been
to our first show and they were on last show.
That was so cool and so we were able to
be like it changed a lot, right, and they're like,
oh my gosh, it completely grew from when we first

(03:02):
started doing this, and you know, I'm just really proud
of us for that aspect, Like we never repeated ourselves
as far as like what we talked about, We did
Q and a's with the audience. We brought up people
from the crowd every time, and I feel like even
if you came and saw more than one show, you
had a different experience. And because of that, like I
genuinely feel like we connected with every city we went to,

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Like every crowd felt different, felt like we had different
reactions and different questions.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And you know, it was just it was really fun to.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Okay, so off the top of your head, going back
to even the original tour, what do you think, taking
nothing away from the other cities, what do you think
is your favorite show that we did.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's so hard to pick because, like writer said, they're
all so different. Like obviously the shows were we had
special guests, like Philly Billy was massive, three thousand people,
tons of amazing guests with us, Like it's just magical,
such a magical highlight of the tour and was the loudest.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Do you guys remember walking out? We walked out in Florida.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
And it was just like what is like we couldn't
even talk, Like the audience was just on their feet
screaming for me.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Toronto was our my favorite reasons because we were like,
do we have Canadian fans? Like, what's this audience gonna be?

Speaker 8 (04:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
We're just across the border. And they couldn't have been
like more Canadian in the sense that they were like.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
Really engaged, so polite, very polite, very polite, asking like
questions like that was where we got into the philosophy discussion.
Then do you remember the guy we pulled up from
the audience who was liked he came nowhere, he just
you know, we auditioned people from the audience, We bring
them up, we have him do a little thing, and
this guy shocked all of us by being like a

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profoundly great actor.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Like he did this stuff. I just I was like, what,
So he was great?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So there was the Jason Marsden show where he played
with us. Was it Milwaukee? Milwaukee, which I think is
our second show ever. Yes, And he and he was
because he was on stage.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
When we brought somebody up from the audience to play
with us and to do a scene, she ended up improvised. First,
she was dressed as Cora perfectly and she was improvising
with and we brought Jason on and she we brought
Jason out as a surprise, and she still managed to
improv the song from the Goofy movie.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
She like sang it to me and I had no
idea what it was. And then after she left, Jayson
was like from the Goofy movie, this is our audiences
are the best. Like New York.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
I have to say.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
New York when we had lined and sold out at
the Comedy was and then everyone all our meet and greets.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
We were outside because they needed the theater.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
So the meet and greets was like freezing cold, and
people waited in line for hours to see us in
the in the freezing cold.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Remember that we were in the hallway in between Boston.
We had some vomiting out somebody we didn't we didn't
see it, we didn't smell it, but we we heard it.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
We heard a commotion in the third row and we
thought somebody had, you know, kicked somebody or something.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
It turned out they spilled something.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Because I actually thought somebody opened a cairn.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
It was like, that's not what it was.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We found out later it was somebody vomiting.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
That was also fun because we did that tour. We
did New York and then Boston, and Danny was with
us the whole time. So we got to carpool with
Danny from New York.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
And quite a bit of time with Danny, which was
so nice, which was awesome. Melissa Joan Hart came out
in Nashville, which was also incredible. We had Jody and
Andrea visit us and hang out with us in l
a Blake.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Blake was memories like this real witch just moved in
and Melissa comes on stage and the place.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Went nut Tony went with us to quite a few shows.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, Matt Lawrence came to a bunch just too.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
Was it too okay?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Oh man, it was my hometown being in that theater
in Kennedy. I used to go as a kid and
then Riders hometown.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I am a latchkey kid.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
There you go, Yeah, it is what a man, what
a time.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And even if you did not get a chance to
come out and see a live show. One of the
things I said at the end of a significant amount
of our live shows was that, you know, doing the
podcast has made Boy meets World take on a new life,
and there's now like an extension of Boy Meets World
that is now pod meets World. And as a part
of that, you, our listeners, have truly become your own

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character in the canon of Boy Meets World, and we
just now can't imagine it without you. And you are
all so funny and so engaged and so thoughtful, and
so you're just you're in it, you know, our in jokes,
you send us great you know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
You send us things, and we're like, oh, that's probably
what it was like.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You're just right there with us for the entire thing,
and we just can't thank you enough because you've really
I don't think I speak for just myself when I say,
you know, Pod Mets World has has probably become the
thing I'm most proud of in my career.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, so definitely. You know, somebody came to our live
show dressed as my underwear.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
That was so funny.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
She was just.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Underwear.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I mean it was that I was at a convention
this weekend and many many people had me sign things
as seat four.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
C oh no, It's just become so cool, the amount
of in.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Jokes and and you know, it's like it's also it's
it's so personal, Like I feel like we're very much
being ourselves. We're and for the first time, I mean
for me personally, like Boy Meets World always felt like
something that happened to me, you know, that I had
to sort of react to, And now I feel like
it's something I'm engaging with with an incredible community, not

(08:55):
just YouTube, but like a community of people that we
all can like this thing, can have participated in this
thing as children, either as watchers or in my case, performers,
and now we can all own it together and really
just be bonded by that experience and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
And it's changed my life. People are going to think
we're wrapping the show up with we were talking a.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Right, I know, we're just finishing season six. As a
matter of fact, that's a perfect segue to our episode today.
Welcome to Good Meets World.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Rather strong, and I'm wilfredell.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well. The night Sweats can finally be put to rest
for now. A shaky and stressful Season six is behind us,
and now we only face an unseen and final season
seven when it comes to recaps, a journey we once
joke would take a decade now has a visible finish line.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Before.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Season six may have lacked cohesive stories or any semblance
of the characters we once knew, but it did have
a lot of great moments, scenes and lines that have
lived on far longer than the memory that the b
story was exactly the same for the season's first handful
of episodes. We get it.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's a love triangle.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
We dipped our toes into true drama and possibly dead babies,
and fake laughed our way through possibly the most disturbing
food induced fight in the history of television. But before
we move on from what many would call a car
crash at times, we need to revisit not only the
season six episodes of Boy Meets World, but our accompanying

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podcast as well, with an end of season tradition, the
meeting of the minds with our favorite fancast, Bruh Meets World.
Its hosts TC and Siege are far removed from their
own rewatch and have been listening to us work through
the same process, all from a melanin point of view,
an approach that helped define their own journey. And so
now with a penultimate appearance, let's chat it out with

(11:04):
Bruh meats.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
World when this meat this meats.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So good to see you, guys, Like why, so happy
to be back. We always look forward to seeing you
both and having this episode together. As always, I'm going
to start with the question I ask every time we
do this, this time with a little more understanding of
the possible answer. Have we ruined the show for you?

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Yet? We were like, did we ruin this season for you?

Speaker 8 (11:57):
You know? I would say that it's so interesting because
last time we were on with you guys, we had
said I think season six is our least favorite season,
and so you know, listening to your review, if anything,
it just kind of justified what we thought more than
ruined anything specific for us. I don't think anyone can
make heads or tails of the season personally, so I

(12:19):
feel like you guys did the best you could.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's a perfect season. I disagree with it's a perfect season.
The arc was amazing.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, of course it was weird, like we have you.

Speaker 9 (12:29):
On record otherwise, but also like I just wanted to
give you guys a shout out as always, you're in
your like sixth season as well, and like.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
This season has really helped us learn so much.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
As always, the thing about Potmes World is we learned
like a little bit of the behind the scene things.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Like your bonus episodes helped us.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
One I wrote down. I wrote down that like hearing
the interview with David Brownfield, like just in like that
whole of how television worked and his his perspect of
it was so interesting. You guys talking about like not
being able to get the rights to you've got that
loving feeling for cutting the cord. You're like, oh, that
makes so much more sense. You guys are really good

(13:08):
at like filling in the blinks for us listeners. We're like,
this didn't quite make sense what was going on. It
turns out Bill and Bonnie had one day to shoot
and that's why, right.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Right, Well good that makes me happy?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, yeah, it for me, Danielle.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
You well, then, without further ado, I'm gonna I'm gonna
hand it over to you guys, and you guys can
ask us to ask away what are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (13:36):
Sure? I mean initially just overall, I mean it's a
romp has become the tagline of the season.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
I feel.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
It's so disjointed, it's so you know, on one episode,
it's the most serious episode of the show has ever done,
and then it completely goes into the silliest episode the
show has ever done. And it's really hard for I mean,
when we were reviewing this, we were constantly doing what
you guys did, which was, yeah, I see what they

(14:06):
were trying to do, but how can we make this
actually work? So it was interesting to see you guys
try to make sense of what was happening, you know,
because there's so much of it that just doesn't Yeah,
I think some of the things.

Speaker 9 (14:18):
That we really you know, we all we like to
talk about what we agreed with you on and then
what we disagreed with you on. Sure, things that we
really enjoyed, like we'll have a good time then of course,
is like such a really heartfelt, very serious episode, and
we really like the acting that is happening in the episode,

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and like again the behind the scenes story between Jack
Will and Jack Will, Matt and Chett, and just like
even even the doctor and like how hero like Oh,
it made what was an impactful episode even more heartfelt.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes to Steners.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That is when Sean and Jack's deadbeat father, Chet reappears
on campus and promises Sean that he has come to
stay and make amends to his son for never being there.

Speaker 9 (15:08):
God, it was funny, funny episodes, but I think we
disagreed with you on was the idea that we I
think one of you said that you thought Chet would stay,
like Chat would have stayed, and we were like no,
And we were like, Chet is the type of person
where the moment he felt better, he would have been
out of there.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, And I think there's actually a proof of that
in the episode, because why else would someone call the
boys apartment looking for Chet? Like, clearly he gave that
number out as to reach me here if a job
comes up. Doesn't bother calling the boys, but knew the
phone number to give out for a job opportunity.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, right, But at the same time, that was all
pre heart attack. So maybe maybe the heart attack is
the thing that would have changed his mind.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, that was the question, or not after the heart attack,
if he didn't end up dying, would he have stayed?
And I think writer you were the were you the
one who said that you thought maybe he would stay?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, here's the thing. He did stay as a ghost.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I stayed. He found out. That's that's the seanline, and
I'm sticking with Okay, I like it.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
He also led Sean to Nobody's Angel, which is, you know,
one of the biggest change kind of things changes in
Shawn's life ever, is finding the ultimate in girl band.

Speaker 8 (16:23):
Yeah, so talk about road, Tony, because we had thoughts
about We have a lot of thoughts on that episode.
First of all, I was, I don't know, twelve or
something when this episode first came out, and I was
deep into the boy band girl band thing that was
happening at the time, and so I really got into
it because I just thought the song was a bop.

(16:43):
Like I just kept singing it to myself afterwards. It
makes no sense for the show. But what we found
very interesting about that episode is that the episode really
dives into, uh, this life that had outside, Like whenever
he was gone, he was on the road doing stuff
and he was talking about Sean, and he you know,
was sharing stories about Sean, not a mention of Jack,

(17:05):
not a photo of Jack, about Jack.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Or Stacy or Eddie for that.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
That was our whole thing.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
Well, we said, to be fair, it was this truck stop,
so maybe each truck stop gets a kid that's always
that he's always talking about. But like, we just thought
that episode would have been so much better had Jack
been the one to go on the road trip with
him and they both learned, because again it's like the
whole thing that Jack says is, oh, I'll never get
to know my father. And then the next episode we

(17:34):
are in the same episode, I think we see Sean
learn more about his father and everyone saying, oh, Check
couldn't stop talking about you, and you're like, you know,
he has another son.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Is there ever a point, because we haven't seen season seven,
is there ever a point where Jack sees Chet's ghost
or is it just Sean who sees Chet's ghost.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
I think it's just Sean that sees.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Ghost.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Doesn't even visit his kids in the afterlife. It's only wow. Yeah,
I'll say, but I can't tell you both that we've
been on the road.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
We did thirty five you know, live shows, and so
we were in diners all over the country. Not a
single unsigned girl band did we find, and you.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Yes, and that's the circuit.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
They're usually all exactly exactly not a one, not a one.

Speaker 8 (18:29):
You know, when we were talking about season six, it's like,
what is the season trying to accomplish? What is the
theme of the season. If season five was all about change,
it seems like this season was about transitioning into adulthood maturing.
And yet what we found is that many of the
characters actually regress, Like when put in a position where

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Corey or Eric should have been growing, immaturing, they actually
act more immature when faced with these larger solutions. So
I think that was part of what made season six
overall feel unsatisfactory, is that I don't feel like anyone
got anything positive out of the lessons that were learned
the season.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
I also I also would argue that throughout the entire season,
really culminating with the final episode.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I don't know what they did with Tapanga.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Oh, she's so different this season that it's one of
those things where to the point where then they completely
changed her home life where now her they bring in
her parents and he's apparently fourth generation Yale, and it's
it's like, wait, what this None of this is what
the character was And I get having to make it
a little more mainstream as she gets older to appeal

(19:40):
to a wider audience. I understand that, but the quirkiness
is what made Topanga so interesting, and they just, especially
this season, just went yeah, we're done with that.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
We're gonna make it completely just every person out there.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
It seems like they discredited the audience to be like,
they won't remember, well, just we can make her anything
they won't remember, and yet the audience so very clearly
loved the og Topanga and remembered very clearly what her
origin story was. So for them in season six to
just be like they don't care that, we'll just say
that her dad is this, you know, banker type who

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four generations of Yale and then.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
It'll all work for the marriage storyline. And people were like,
why that's not it?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, why would you do that?

Speaker 8 (20:21):
Well, so much of this season also just felt like
I didn't recognize any of the characters. I didn't recognize
Sean for being the lovable goofball that we've known him
to be. We have real thoughts about eric decision that
we're going to dive into later in terms of his change,
but yeah, speaking on Tapanga, not only did they kind

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of shift away, we also just feel like so much
of Tapanga storyline just revolves around Corey, Like, we really
don't get any individual ex else on her. You know,
we have a head canon that part of the reason
why she's like pushing the marriage, because you guys were like,
why did she keep pushing this? This doesn't feel like her.
It's because in our head canon, she is trying to
justify giving up Yale. If I gave up, you know,

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it needs to be for something, right, what do I
have now? And so if she chose, like when she
was faced with the decision, she's like, Corey, marry me.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
I don't know marry And so now that seems to
be the thing that she's coming back to because that's
all she has left.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right, Okay, that's bad to your point about nobody really
like everybody kind of regressing. One thing I did think
of is that that scene that we get between Sean
and Eric where Sean really feels like he's at peace,
that the road trip scenario really did help ground him.
He's not, like you said, he's not the lovable goofball

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we've gotten to know, but seeing a little bit of
peace in him that he is happy where he is
and he's happy with his friends, instead of the I've
got to get away from here, I've got to run
from something that was nice I thought. I thought that
felt really like good evolution in the character. But I
think that's the only one.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, it is, but it's also so then at the
same time with the same character, You're like, and what.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
The heck is going on with Angela?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I know, yeah, I know, like that, are you together?
Are you not together? She's kind of different now.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
It was.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It was just there were many episodes that I said
this on.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
I think it was either the last episode or the
episode the penalty of been episode where it's like, okay,
decent episode of television, not buoy me tworld.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I mean, it's not characters that we.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Know are recognized but well written, well acted, like okay
on its own, good episode, but who are these people?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I got that a lot more this season than ever before.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
And I also got a lot of really again going
back to Topanga episodes that should have been to Panga
focused that weren't like how you have the teacher episode
where Fred comes in and the one time she tries
to speak and to defend herself Dean Boland or the
other woman in the room goes, okay, shut your mouth
to Panga, and it's like, wait what Yeah, So we
had that whole conversation.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
We were like, there are so many storylines this season
that should have been just that this should have been
to Panga season Yeah, And in our mind it's like,
you have the engagement, harassment, Yale, her parents' divorce, Like
there's so much there that it's like, what with this season?
We actually it's part of our questions, what do you
think season six would have looked like?

Speaker 8 (23:16):
If it was from Topanga's perspective, it would have been great.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
You can actually have kept all of the same elements, right,
but just had it be about her doubts and her
feelings and her Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
That's that would be incredible. Okay, I'm sorry, but now
I'm off on a thing. Has there ever been a
television show, especially a sitcom, done where every season is
done from a different character's point of view?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Has that ever been done? Didn't well?

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Storm out?

Speaker 8 (23:41):
There are some sitcoms where, like our shows, where a
lead will depart and they'll refocus on a different character.
But in terms of yeah, but in terms of like
season to season, I don't think so nothing's coming to
me my idea, No boy.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Meets World kind of did it?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
I mean, like, you know, season one was definitely all
about Corey Corey. Season two was Eric's season or Sean's
did start more.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Sean more Sean? Season three was Eric I.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Season three is Eric okay? And then season four what
that was a Shawn and Eric. Season four was split
between the two of you.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, so yeah there, but again, it was really interesting
if there the season was from Tepanga's point of view,
because this.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Would have been the perfect season to do it. Yeah,
and every chance they had they didn't.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
I was thinking this morning just about how unfocused the
season felt for me, or like I'm, you know, not unified,
and then I have to remember and I just I
think we all kind.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Of take for granted that Corey and to Banga end
up together, because.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Because we're looking back, the reality is this whole season
started with they're gonna get married and then spent two
episodes saying not yet, not yet, not yet, And we
sort of wrote that office like, well, of course you
could wait and just be engaged. But at the time
when this was airing live, that is a big question
and it was kind of like two eighteen year olds,
who are they're going.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
To get married? That's crazy? And I think probably.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
At the time our writers thought that that was more
of an organizing principle than it actually is, do you
know what I mean? Like that was enough of a
suspenseful question to pull you through, whereas now we look
at it and the suspense isn't there, so we're just like,
why is she not want to get married?

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Why does he want one?

Speaker 6 (25:18):
You know, like from episode app But overall, I bet
at the time it did feel a little like a
high wire act of like are they really going to
have these characters get married?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Can these characters get married?

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (25:29):
That was a question that was hanging over the whole
show that we just don't have hanging over now, so
we don't feel any of that tension.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
So the whole season feels a little random, a little
like less organized. But actually that would have been a
thread pulling us through.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I think, you know, will wait, I have a question
was was the poll that they did on the internet
was that between five and six or six and seven?
I think six and seven, six and seven, So it
wasn't she proposed? And then they put the poll out,
and so it started with him say, I.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Think they were still asked at the end of the season.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
That's why they introduced to Panga's I think the question is, oh, gosh, should.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
They get married? Yeah, just not even will they, won't they?
Should they? Or shouldn't they.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
It's almost like our writers were asking the audience, which
they did with the poll, like do you think this
is a good idea?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Like should they?

Speaker 8 (26:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (26:14):
And of course now I can look at him and
be like, no, don't know. They just run away from that, dude.

Speaker 8 (26:19):
But you know, part of the reason I feel like
that's unsuccessful is because the motivations for why they are
questioning marriage are so ambiguous and kind of shift back
and forth from episode the episode, depending which is generic, right,
It's just generic, and it doesn't actually get at any
of the true issues, which is to Panga is is
my should I be exploring other things other than Corey?

(26:42):
Like that should be something that should be coming up
consistently throughout the season. Yet we constantly see Corey, who
has known since he was two years old he wants
to marry to Panga, question whether or not this is
the right move for him, and it just doesn't make
any sense to kind of, uh, you know, create that
tension that you're speaking to writer.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I think, yeah, yeah, I think in a lot of
ways you you both are.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
All of you talked about like how the storylines could
have changed a little bit to give us more of
that connected thread.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
Like the season finale States.

Speaker 9 (27:08):
Of the Union, I forgot which one of you said it,
but we came up with the exact same ending, which
to me, if we came up with the exact same
ending means it's there, which is you're in the kitchen,
it's the two of them, they decide do we want
to do this? The phone rings, yeah, and you never
get an answer like hey, do you want this state
or not?

Speaker 7 (27:26):
End of season Like we came up with the exact
same ending, we were like, oh, that's the case.

Speaker 9 (27:30):
Then that means it's in the air, but it just
wasn't executed the same thing I would say for you're married,
You're dead. We were like in that episode, Corey is like,
you know, wants to go out with the guys, and
he's like, I I would I should be wearing my
engagement ring. And at the end of it he's like,
I am man, I do what I want and I'm unapologetic.

(27:50):
It's like, but you should still go out with the guys.
Like if the question is, hey, can I have friendships
in my relationship with Sean and still be married, the
answers should be.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yes, yes, okay, And that lets you know, like this
whole season.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
Should be Corey actually becoming more comfortable with getting married
while Topanga becomes less comfortable with getting married.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
And then that's if that's a season long arc and
we go on that journey.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
All the pieces are there. Every episode just needed to
be tweaked a little bit to get us there.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
I also think this season, more than any other, we
would come to find out and I bet you we
will come to find out with the more people we
talked to that the politics of the network really played
in to how the season ended, because not only were
we really on the bubble, but the all of TGIF
was on the bubble. We didn't know if Sabrina was staying,
if Sabrina was leaving, what shows were going to be

(28:43):
picked up, what weren't They were canceling, they were moving
things around, and so when we finally got the word
that we got picked up for season seven, we only
got picked up for thirteen, So originally we were not
picked up for the entire season, and it wasn't until
we were ten episodes into season seven that they picked
us up for our back. So I wonder how much
of the politics going on at ABC really dictated you know, Okay,

(29:07):
well we'll end with a wedding.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's going to be Feenie's wedding, so if you know
that doesn't work out well.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
But Michael was also probably like, we need to end
on the cliffhanger because we need them to bring us back.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
So that's what I was wondering, to your point, is
like how much Michael was struggling against the network politics
because they were probably saying.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
To him, you're really going to have these these kids
get married.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
That's irresponsible, and Michael was probably saying, no, it's the
most responsible thing to do.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Let's explore it. And then he had to keep writing
episodes that showed he was exploring the problems of getting
married or for these kids to get married.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
But I feel like those problems weren't true to the
characters right, like they were not. The anxieties were just
let's illustrate different anxieties, and that was probably to address
network notes that were like, really, you're going to do this,
and he's like, yeah, yeah, we'll explore it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
We'll show all the different problems. And it's like, but
those problems weren't based in Topanga and Quarry. Like by
the end of season six or five, we know Cory
and Topanga, we know what problems they would have going
into this, and they're not illustrated in this season.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
No, absolutely, well, especially when you completely change who Corey
and Tapanga seemingly are for the whole season. You know,
we kind of had this conversation about codependency and the
role that it plays in the season specifically, like for example,
with Jack, who we felt like we got really close
to having some really meaningful moments with Jack, but you know,

(30:29):
when Jack is at the point where he is, you know,
really grieving, check the most is when he is immediately
thrusted into a relationship with Rachel, never to speak about
his grief again. And you know, the show, I think
continuously uses relationships as a distraction and from dealing in
processing with real trauma and grief. We see that with

(30:50):
Corey and the Nick you as well, and it's just
one of those things where it feels like the show
is intentionally trying to say that, you know, romantic relationships
are the cure for all of life's problems that you
should have, and when Sean tries to explore life without
a romantic interest, it falls to right, right, ye, right.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Well.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Will brought this up early on in the season. You know,
he was like, the problem Sean's problem is that he's single,
you know, or that he doesn't want to commit to
a relationship, and that makes him a bad person, you know,
or a failed person.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
And I do think that that's the value system.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
And it goes back to you know, Jack is grieving
and he has a Matt has this great scene where
he finds you know, that whole episode he's like the
pillar and he's strong and he's there for everybody, and
then he breaks down in that wonderful scene and it
might be Matt's best acting of I haven't seen season
seven yet, but certainly, to date, I thought Matt. There
were several times where Matt killed it this season, and
this was kind of the pinnacle for me. And then

(31:44):
what saved him making out with Maitland. So the kiss,
once again is the magical and sourcible kiss. Where you
that's it, you make out and now hey, everything's good.
So they did it again. They just did it in
a much now with drama as opposed to comedy. On
season six they did the same power of the kiss.
So yeah, it's the whole thing was And they didn't
do anything with with Rachel's character, I mean just kind

(32:06):
of anything.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
All season.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
People really talked about her, right.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
She how David Brownfeld said, like they he admitted they
didn't know what to do with Jack and Rachel.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
I think, like it's obvious.

Speaker 9 (32:18):
You can see in the episodes, Daniel, you looked like
you were about to say something.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I was just thinking about how we were talking about
the Jack and Rachel.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Of it all, and how Will brought up that point
where he said, why would they bring in another character
that's clearly about giving Eric more friends and then completely
alienate him from them?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And that was a really good point.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
And the only thing we can figure is because they
were setting it up for the spinoff in case either
Ben didn't come back for season seven or for in
case the show didn't get picked up and they wanted
to focus on a spinoff starring Will. But like they
really brought in a characters that could have really set
up up great comedy and then removed him from the house.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, it had to have been that they were spinning
me off. They brought in more people to give Eric
more to lose. Yeah, so now he's lost his family,
Now he's lost his friends, now he's lost the girl.
So when he does get in the car and drive
away at the end, which is what was supposed to happen,
it's more justified. Yeah, that's all we could think.

Speaker 9 (33:24):
So great that you brought this up, because I think
we've talked to you about this before. But there's a
creator called t one Jay who created an entire theory
that the season that broke Eric is what he calls
six Okay, this idea that every like Eric is never
the same. Specifically, after the Tommy episode, Eric kind of

(33:46):
like cracks and you only get goofy Eric from this
point on, and it's like, no, this man is having
a mental breakdown, like he's been ignored by his family. Yeah,
he is isolated in all these different ways. And you're right,
like knowing now that they were supposed to spin off,
who knows what that could have looked like. Since it
doesn't spin off all, we get all we are left with.
It's like this broken character. What do you think, like

(34:09):
about what happens to Eric in this.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it's one hundred percent true.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
It's it's one of those things where they they set
it up to where he's betrayed by betrayed quote unquote,
he's not, he's just but his best friend and the
girl now he loves apparently, you know, go behind his
back to have some sort of a relationship. He's not
really talking to his brother anymore. Phoene's gotten married. He
doesn't have her, he doesn't have Tommy parents kick him out.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
They have a new baby. He is he's ay.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
They set him up to be alone on an island,
specifically to have him leave, and then they don't have
him leave.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Do you know what the show would have been? Did
you ever talk about like where Eric was gonna live,
what was gonna be Eric.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Was gonna go get so that I remember Michael already
had the whole opening title sequence, which is Eric driving
like a zombie hitting the Santa Monica peer and the
car launches off the end of the pier and sticks
into the sand. The door opens, Eric rolls out and
continues walking into the ocean, and that's the opening title sequence.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
And then Eric in Las. Eric's in Los Angeles. Then
he meets a whole new group of friends. He lives
in LA.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
He would get a job in Los Angeles, maybe decide
it essentially sounds like Joey Comedy.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yes, show is a full sitcom.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
It sounds it sounds like how they spun off matt
LeBlanc and Friends was going to be a kind of
what it is.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Meet a whole new group of friends. Eric, you know,
so he's like a fish out of water. He's a
fish out of water in LA.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
And you know, Michael would always rider you and I
just talked about this off Mike, where Michael would always
talk about how you take the wacky character and you
make them the star of the show. Is what they
did in Fraser, where Fraser was the wacky character on Cheers,
but when you bring in Niles, it pushes Fraser the middle.
So if you take Eric to LA and you give
him somebody even more wacky, Eric becomes the star of

(35:57):
the show and becomes the Cory because he's then in
the middle. And I think that's what they were planning.
He was going to meet a girl he was gonna
you know, was to be would probably be.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
A commentary on like LA jokes at LA stereotypes. So
I'm sure Eric would have been like the more normal,
what these service starters? This is crazy, these acts are.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Insane, right, that would have been so I mean, we
pitched several times to ABC. It looked like it was
going to be I think I think it was Lloyd
Braun at the time who was running ABC, and we
you know, we were in the room a couple times
and Michael pitched it and then I just it was
one of those things where I just never heard about
it again. Well it wasn't like I got a call.
Hey they decided not to pick it up. Hey, they decided.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
I just can never imagine Boy Meets World, I mean
without Eric, like something like we would just lose so
much commedy, like so much energy, so much like like
at this point, you're holding up the entire half of
the show with just your acting, chops, because it's not
in the writing, it's your performance that's literally holding up

(36:55):
the entire like half, like half of the show. It's
crazy to me like that that they were even consider
that and thinking that that would be okay, Like I
bet you that was why they didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
They were like, no, we need maybe we cannot, like
BOYD won't survive.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
You know, I don't think TGIF survived after after we left.
I think they they folded pretty quick afterwards. I think
this was kind of the last turraw of TGIF was
our show.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Sure, So well, as it stands now, we're like, uh,
you know the canon that is in the show, Eric
just loses everything and then just turns his wackiness up
to twelve honestly, And so as you watched season seven,
really kind of see it through the lens of him
disguising his tragedy with humor and trying to, you know,

(37:41):
get attention in any way that he can because no
one's really paying attention to him. Because I feel like
that comes up quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Actually that's specifically how I was playing it. He was
multi level. I wasn't doing that. I wasn't doing that
at all.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
It just I think season seven is going to be
kind of the let's see how far we can push
Eric and if will, we'll do it, And of course
I would, so I think that's kind of just I mean,
there were times where we were betting on the set,
Michael and I would have bets like you can't pull
this joke off, Like he would say to me, you can,
I go. I got five bucks, it says, I'll get
a laugh on this, and there's no way you can't.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's too big. I'm like, let's see. And so it
became a thing, and I think we're probably going to
be able to see that on on season seven.

Speaker 8 (38:23):
I think I think a downfall of both Eric and
really Sean as well is them centering well, Penga centering
Corey and everything, but also constantly using Corey as a
blueprint for what their lives should be. So with Eric,
you have like I need a best friend, I need
a girlfriend. Sean, I have a best friend, I need
a girlfriend. And when they can't mimic properly what Corey has,

(38:48):
they instinctively feel that something's wrong with them and that
they're not you know, they're supposed to.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
Be in a way.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's so insightful, man.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
That is like you mailed just like a crack the code.
That's what it is so true.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
And even to Penga, I think is worse off from
trying to fit Corey's image of Topanga is versus what
her authentic pursuits would be. So it's just something that
we kind of see specifically through season six and seven.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Okay, yeah, that was Yep, that's it.

Speaker 8 (39:18):
What it is.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I mean, it's not just that, it's also it started
back in the day.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
If you go even back to season one with Sean,
it's he's got the nuclear family, mom and a dad,
and I mean it's he's got so it is.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's it was balanced back then by the idea that
Corey still had a lot of growing to do.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yes, he was still a little boy who was lost,
who had you know, improper impulses and things that he needed.
Whereas now it's like, no, he knows, you know, it's
like that turning point. I mean, I'll go back, I
know him like ringing the same bell, but like it
to me, it goes back to Long Walk to Pittsburgh
Part too, where Corey took authority of the show and

(39:55):
said I know better, We're right, all the parents are wrong.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And it's like it just destabilized the show. Like from
that point on, he is the center of you know,
and that's what we saw for me.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
The baby, the Ted baby episode is just it's so
painful because it's like, this is not good man like
you're being. But the show kind of comes around Danielle
ted Pang is.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Gonna adjust to go back to her roots.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
For him, it's like, no, well, I love how we
found out that really the reason that she was allowed
to live there is because she was the problem in
her parents.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yessay, and we're hoping to get rid of me absolutely.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
You know.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
You guys brought up so many storylines that we like
wanted to revisit and talk to you and get your
take on, like one being this idea of the parents,
Like Amy is pregnant this season, and there is so
much story There are so many storylines that you can
tell in terms of her being in the older pregnancy,
you know, like all like that entire journey. We feel

(40:49):
like the episode where like the Lama's class that should
be centered around Amy's experience.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
They told a ton of stories about Amy from Allen's
point of view, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Then almost loses a baby and I get to give
the baby monologue.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
That's the point. It's like, there are so many storylines.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (41:09):
Another one that we had was this idea of Feenie
starts off the season retired, then he's a student for
a day, and then he's a teacher, and we were like, actually,
it would have been so cool to see Phoenie go
back to school and actually just be one of the
gang at least for this season. Yeah, Like then we
can build up to have him and Dean and actually

(41:33):
see that relationship grow. And we wanted to know, like,
what do you think that that's a good idea, Like
how do you feel like Phoenie could have fit better
into this season?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
It would have been great, especially because there were so
many episodes. We said, what we really need is Eric back.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
With say we're students together.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yes, it would have been amazing.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, I would love to if I could have, If
I could go back and pitch an episode for season six,
it would have been a day in the life of
Feenie retired where he doesn't know what to do, and
at one point he starts teaching the postal worker something
about history, giving life.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Life lessons to everybody about like he doesn't know what
to do.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
He's sitting by himself and he's just absolutely lost, and
it would have been a wonderful way and then bring
Eric in and you know, I think Ryder you came
up with the idea at one point where it's like
Eric is no place to live, Phoene has extra room
at his house, the two of them together, and it
becomes kind of an odd couple situation is you can
mind that comedy for two seasons. So yeah, that would
have been because then you move in the Dean now

(42:36):
he's married. Now he's got to kick Eric out. Oh
my god, it's just the cool you know, the Dean
walks down, Eric's in his underwear, like all right, We've
got some rules of the house.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's like, all right, Dean, you know. I mean, it
could have been great.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
I think they were really concerned that if you left
the Jack Rachel dynamic that their characters would not have enough.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And I think that that's a valid concern. I think
because when Eric did leave, they didn't have exactly that's.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
I think you can't keep them just what what is it?
You know, like the two of them working on the couch.
I know, you have a whole episode about how tall
she is. It's literally the only storyline they riff on.
He'sn't secure about it, like.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
Well, part of the we thought was a bigger issue
throughout the whole season is that college and education is
actually kind of sidelined compared to the role that it
plays in the earlier high school seasons and things like.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
That concern about the co ed bathroom.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
There's a lot about the ya.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
It was such a big deal for Eric to get
into college and what that meant to him after like
struggling for for so long, and even Sean wondering like
is college for me? And then they get there and
they completely abey well after Christmas, I don't think they
ever go back to school.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
But we never talk about what we're reading or learning about.
I mean, we have like a little bit, but it's rare.

Speaker 8 (43:59):
It feels like the show like undervalued the role that
education played in the day to day storytelling.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Absolutely, And additionally, I would like to say I really
feel like they did a big disservice to Alan and Amy,
who would never even after having a new baby. They
really make it seem like, well, once your kid's in
college and out of your house, you don't check in
on them anymore or talk to them about where their
life is heading, or like, truly do they know any

(44:30):
of the stuff like, Okay, he's sleeping on the couch.
And instead of them saying like, let's have a bigger
conversation about this, they're like it's not working. Get out
of here. Like they don't they They're like, you're on
your own, sir, you're older than eighteen. It's just it
feels it feels well they have.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
More kid gloves.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
With Eric.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
For Eric, it's always been get off the couch, get
a job, stop being your cocoa puffs. But for Corey
it's always been a Jettler approach, which I think is
something to kind of analyze too.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
And then there's Morgan.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
That's actually I'm just thinking about the whole education thing
because it's been such a focus of Weyby's world, right, Like,
but it seems to me the end of education is
getting into college and and and maybe it's not surprising
Michael didn't go to college, right so, like the he
could write about high school, it could write about that
world and focus on that and the value of education.

(45:28):
But once we get to college, what is the value
of that education?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Why focus on it?

Speaker 8 (45:34):
This mirrors the experience of every millennial. I know college,
you don't know, I'll figure it out.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
One of the things that Tony brought up when we
were talking with this idea of is Sean's depression, like
everything that Shawn's struggling going through the fact that like
he's in college and maybe college was never for him,
Like this idea of like he's in a place where
he has to you know, it's not like high school
where he has to be there. Now he's there and

(46:07):
he feels lost, and he's trying to be this different person. Yeah,
and it doesn't seem to be working out.

Speaker 8 (46:12):
And the show never does anything to encourage Sean to
participate in college. It doesn't give him photography classes, it
doesn't give him journalism classes, it doesn't give him anything
of interest. He's only in college because his friends told
him to write.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
For the most part, I mean, what I really disliked
about the early half of the season was the I
mean I just didn't like Sean and I feel like
there just wasn't enough context given to like how is
he approaching college differently than Cory? Why is you know,
because Corey is having these struggles fitting in or whatever
the episode.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
And Shawn's just not very sympathetic, like he's not.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
You know, And I would have been really nice to
have like an explanation for, Oh, Sean has met other girls,
you know, or Sean has met other guy friends that
he's you.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Know, just something. Instead it's just like I got other
stuff going on. We'll see you later, man, or.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Like or don't don't be that guy, Corey, like you
know that some of the early episodes it was kind
of like you got to tone it down.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I was like, wait a second, that's not Sean at all.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
And that was the first crack in this season of
the characters aren't who we thought they were. The first
time I think we saw it was with Sean, and
then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, and now
I'm not seeing it with Tapanga, and I'm oh, we're
all just different.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
In terms of like the characters being different. One thing
that you guys had pointed out, which we had speculated
on throughout season six was like, oh, this Sean feels
more like righter than Sean, and you know, this feels
more like Will than Eric. And you know, writer, you
kind of talked about how they would pull things from
your actual life into the show, sometimes without even your consent,

(47:40):
Like I guess I'm wondering like how the what the
role of the merging between the actors and the characters,
how that played into the show, and like, you know,
we kind of sensed it, but you guys really confirmed
it throughout the season that they were really kind of
pulling from your individual lives. And is that like does
that feel like an in vasion of privacy?

Speaker 9 (47:58):
Now?

Speaker 8 (47:58):
Does it feel like something that characters have you have
ownership of?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Now?

Speaker 8 (48:01):
Like how does that affect the show for you?

Speaker 6 (48:03):
It's funny because just hearing you say that, I'm realizing
that like part of you know, part of the like
sort of angst problem of Sean which I kept having,
which is like why, Like it's just this question Mark,
what are you upset about?

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Dude? Like why are you? You know, before he said
what are you upset about? Like what's going on? Why
are you just like not? And in retrospect, it's like
I was pulling.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
Away from boy Meet's world set, Like I was literally
like going to college, did not care about being there.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
And I wonder if our writers were kind of like
what's going on with writer? I don't know, I don't know,
he just doesn't want to be here.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
And then they just sort of wrote Sean like that,
but like they actually didn't have an answer because I
was just not hanging out, you know, and then they yeah,
but until until Chet dies. I feel like Sewan is
just doesn't make any sense to me. It did not
make any sense. So maybe I was just a mystery
as a as a as an eighteen year old, you know,
like as somebody who they had watched grow up, who
was always so happy to be there and part of

(48:53):
the team. Suddenly I was like, no, man, I've got
other things I'd rather do. And that's kind of how
they wrote Sean.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yeah, it seemed like for several episodes, we always talk
about the writer's room, the two am jokes, and it
seems like in season six a lot of them stayed
in the script.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
That mean, like the Burglar Lady, yes.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
But yeah, it's like, all right, it's a placeholder that
would have been in season four, would have been a
placeholder until they write something better or more poignant or
more on character, whatever it is. And I think a
lot of those times they just went this is let's
go with it.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
It just felt that way, to the detriment of the characters.
I feel like, there, you know, we had mentioned that
there's things we had disagreed with you, all the things
we felt differently about. There were episodes that we were
in disbelief. For example, the Truman Show episode, which we
know is a rop. I was like, bruh, could you
imagine if you had a roommate that did this to you,

(49:46):
played on your trauma, that locked you in your apartment,
that filmed you without your consent, Like he would not
be your roommate anymore? Arrested the show, It's okay, next week,
we'll get into another rops. It's the things that I'm like, well,
this makes me like Eric less Actually yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Right, it made me like myself as a human less
than the one character.

Speaker 9 (50:05):
Someone had pointed it out in the I can't remember
which episode it is, but it's when they go to
the wedding and they're seeking out the venue and they
were like, can you imagine on your wedding day an
eighteen year old standing up and saying, I hope one
day you have what we have.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I know if you think about the reality of any
of these situations, you're like, wait, what, yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
Was speaking of like my baby.

Speaker 9 (50:36):
Valentine's was another one of the episodes where we were
very very like you guys kind of over overlooked the
idea of getting a stripper for your mom for her
baby shout, But that was an episode where we kind
of like were pulling our hair out at this idea.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Because the thing that they don't talk.

Speaker 9 (50:56):
About, and Danielle, I would love to get your viewpoint
on this is this Valentine's Day that Corey is trying
to make up for is the first since the Lauren incident,
and he is consistently he's talking about how important it
is that this Valentine's Day, like they show up for
each other. But it's like, no, what you're actually trying
to do is like rewrite history because you're like we

(51:18):
always do this. It's like, well we didn't last year.
Why didn't we last year?

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Corey?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
So yeah, yeah, I mean that I thought we talked
about that, you know, when we did our recap. It
was kind of like he's making this big deal about it,
and meanwhile, Tapenga's like, listen, I get it, let's not
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Last year was a bad year.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
But I don't need to go back to our obsessive
every single Valentine's Day plan scenario, sometimes other people need
to take precedence, and then I mean the one thing
I guess I will say, although it's absolutely insane to
imagine someone hiring a stripper for a baby shower, I
will say that when you're thinking of like funny TV

(51:59):
trope and men are gonna make big, big mistakes like that,
it is a very funny concept that a guy would
be like, all right, what do they do with? So
we've got we've got cake, and you know what, I
bet they have strippers. Let's bring a guy in. You know,
Like I think that is a funny. That's just the

(52:21):
concept of that is, Like I get why that's funny,
but he's the character is so unlikable through that whole
episode that to Valentine's Day, it was like a three
episode Valentine's Day art just painful.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Didn't We also think that there's a possibility that one
of the reasons he got the strippers because he wanted
the party to break up as earth he wanted so
that he could go. So it's kind of him being like,
what's the worst thing I could do to get this
party to end? So I think that's another possibility too, well,
like if.

Speaker 8 (52:52):
This were Home Improvement. For example, Tim would have done
this and then learned a lesson about why he shouldn't
have wore the episode. Corey doubles down and continues it
into the next episode. Then you know, we we were
actually laughing about this because we were like, Wow, they
really liked Cory a lot more than we did this season. Like,
and I think that has to do with Ben's performance
and the laughter that probably happened behind the scenes, because

(53:15):
I was just like, he is pushing himself on Angela.
He's pushing himself like he read Sean's poem. He's like
pushing to Pegas like this thing on this really tragic occasion.
It just seems like he's forcing himself on everyone in
the way that's making him so unlikable that it's distracting
us from the show.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, I think we just didn't want to keep saying
the same thing.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Yeah, Like, you reach a point where you're like, Okay,
Corey's selfish, and it's a round you kind of have
to otherwise the podcast would become really, really redundant and
you know, you know, not fun. But I also understand
I understand why the writers would justify it, because you
do want to have somebody being like, your central character

(54:00):
should be wrong often, right, they shouldn't make mistakes, they
should have a you know, like you were like pointing
out Tim Allen's character is a great example.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
But there's something lovable about that, right, there's like a lovable.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Naivete or stupidity or sort of I don't know something
about that that he can get away with it, whereas
the Corey representation ends up being angry and and not
just like uh neurotic, and he doesn't turn on himself enough.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
He sort of turns on everybody else. It's like, yeah,
and doesn't learn anything.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yeah, there are full episodes where he's the worst and
then doesn't learn to or grow from it.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
It's just he's just the worst. Yeah, that's just the
worst version of him.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
This actually that tells perfectly into this next question, which
is that in your own season six you had a
lot of like different bonus episodes. You guys had Wrestledmania,
it became like Tiger Beat the podcast.

Speaker 7 (54:53):
You have like all these like nineties stars and the
Vegas stuff.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
But I guess our question was it's like, were those
episodes meant to like experiment and have like a fresh
new take on your own season six or was it
kind of like a breath of fresh air from like
such a heavy season, because we did notice that, like, oh,
they're taking some time in between episodes.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
We're gonna do four episodes in a row where we
go to the carnivals. What we're doing. Yeah, I mean,
I think in general, we're just sort of like, you know, we've.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Done a lot of boy Mets World talk, We've done
a lot of you know, and I think there's a
there's a sense that we've covered a.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Lot of what you can from this subject for now.
So I'm much more.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
Interested in, like the three of us exploring other subjects together.
And I think hopefully we've created enough of a groundwork
of like who we are as a sort of team
and as individuals that it, you know, when we go
into these like Backstreet Boys concerts or whatever, it is
that there's clarity on like who's who's going in there,

(55:59):
you know, as you're uh, And I think that's fun.
So I'm really excited to do more of that personally,
because I do find myself like how often can I
talk crap about Corey or like, oh, you know, it's
like so I think I find it refreshing, But it wasn't.
It wasn't consciously because of season six. I think it's
just because you know, we've been doing this podcast now

(56:19):
for three years, and I just think we've reached that point.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
We've also been very lucky with iHeart and the iHeart family,
and they do things that like, hey, we like to
involve you in this, we want to send you here,
we want to do that, and we're like, yeah, let's
you know, it's a ton of fun. Let's go to
Big Danielle doesn't like Vegas, we have to drag her there.
Ryder and I are big, huge fans, so I've.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Been to Vegas more this year than ever in my life.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Me too.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
The same.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I was that we're joking where it's like I have
a favorite hotel in Vegas. Now, like, what are the
chances of that happen? But yeah, I think writers right,
we're just we're also exploring. You know, we know we're
coming to the end of the show. We've got only
season seven left to recap, and we don't want to end.
That's the one thing we keep hearing at every live
show and every place we're going to is people are
standing up and saying please, just whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You do, just keep going. And so we're i think,
trying to figure out what that's going to be and
what that's going to look like.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
And so we're you know, exploring our options and just
spending as much time with each other as we can.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Frankly, so we're not sick of each other. Yet it's close, and.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yes, it's also a nice palette cleanser some of the
more difficult seasons.

Speaker 8 (57:26):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
More often in this season than any other season, knowing
when I had to watch an episode, I'd be like, okay,
deep breath, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I'm not sure what I'm going to be in for.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And you know, like writer said, there is some We
had a rule when we started the podcast that we
weren't going to self edit as we go, that we
were going to just have very real, honest conversations, and
then if there was anything that we said later that
we thought, you know, maybe that's going to sound too mean,
or that's going to sound too harsh, or I said
that in a way that sounds like something I didn't.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Mean that, then we can edit it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But definitely, when you hit a season that's kind of
all over the place, there is a little bit of
modulating of like, really, I'm having to look for the
positives so that all three of us are not just
broken records of highlighting the obviously negative, like some of
it's pretty obvious, it's okay to mention it. But also

(58:26):
we're going to find those moments like you mentioned, of
absolute joy in watching something Ben does, or you know,
something that one of us does that we go that
was really funny, or seeing moments where we are very
clearly out of character and they're either allowing it or
they didn't have another option. But like we were, we

(58:46):
just wanted to find moments of joy anywhere we could.
Sometimes that meant away from boy Meet's world. Other times
that meant really finding the positives in the actual episode
where we could.

Speaker 9 (58:57):
Sure.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
You know, one of the things that we've always really
loved about your podcast is how you guys are kind
of unedited and you will kind of approach topics that
you know are hard to talk about. There's one thing
and feel free to do it. Answer this, don't answer
or edit it out, don't edit it. But we were
just curious, you know, we really loved the everybody loved
Stewart episode that's our favorite episode of the whole season,

(59:20):
and because it kind of really approaches the like me
tooness of the moment. However, it seemed strange to us
that you guys kind of didn't speak on the fact
that Fred Savage himself was roped into a me too controversy,
so much so that he was removed from the Wonder
Years reboot. And I was just wondering if there was

(59:41):
any like conscious choice to talk about that, bring that up,
not bring it up, if that was in the atmosphere
at all.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, we did talk about it.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
We talked about it, and truthfully, out of respect for men,
we decided not to comment on it. We we have
still not spoken to Ben, but we know that Ben's
family and that they are incredibly private, and even the

(01:00:12):
reason he gave us for not wanting to be a
part of the podcast was that he just didn't think
it was for him. And I'm speculating, but I think
a large part of that is because there's a we've
been very vulnerable and we've been very open, and that's
not for everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I don't know if we have any special access to
more information about Fred's situation you know, I don't. I
feel like all we could really do was say, and
this interesting. This episode also is interesting to look back
on because of X y Z, which is in the
public eye. But then when I were like, why are
we connecting these dots, I don't know, because we you know,

(01:00:54):
people can connect those dots if they want, like we don't.
I wasn't part of the Wonder Years team.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
I don't know anything more than what I could also
google Fred Savage's name and look up and about that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I didn't. We weren't gonna get any more good
analysis of the episode out of talking about it. And
I don't know if it would reflect on I just
don't know what it would reflect on. But yeah, so
we went back and forth and it was sort of like,
do we acknowledge this for the sake of our listeners?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I don't know, Like what what would our listeners take
away from that? That's what I guess. I don't know
what they would do with that information.

Speaker 9 (01:01:34):
I think for us as listeners, like and again like
this will be however it comes out, but like for
us as listeners, it's like, we know that you are
very vulnerable and you have no problem being like, hey,
just so you know, this is attached to a controversy.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
You know, we're not going to speak on it, and
like that to us is kind of like enough.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
I maybe I missed the part what you did to
call that out in that episode, but like for me,
I think that was kind of like our whole thing
is like, oh, they didn't even acknowledge it, which is
unusual for them, because they are least will say, hey,
we know that this is sticky. We're doing hands off.
And I think for me it even makes sense from

(01:02:13):
a respect perspective. I think when we talked about it,
it's like, oh, they have a like Ben, and the
relationship is what it is. You know, you're it's his brother,
so you want to be respectful to that. And especially
when it's something like this, you can't speak on anything
that you weren't present for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yeah, and I am not. I'm certainly not going to
come out and say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I never had a bad experience with Fred, cause guess what,
my experience with Thread doesn't mean anything. Who cares like so,
and so that wouldn't have added to the conversation in
any way. It is interesting because now I'm thinking about
what you said, we did have when we recorded the episode,
there was something in the intro and did we end

(01:02:55):
up deciding to cut it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Is that what happened it? Remember?

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
But it was literally just like and this episode has
gotten more attention of late because of controversy surrounding Fred
and and and that was and we did discuss it.
And that's interesting to see to hear you say that
you would have liked that acknowledgment, because that was the
debate between us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
It was like, do is this being dishonest? Do not
acknowledge it?

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Or is it opening the can of worms for no
reason because we're we're not going to do much more
than acknowledge it because we don't have much we don't
have much money to add or to add And does
that change the analysis of the episode really and our
discussion not really. So it seemed kind of but I
understand what you're saying that that there's a there's is
a kind of social contract we have with our listeners,
right that we will be ourselves and that we will

(01:03:41):
acknowledge our point of views.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
So maybe that maybe we could have done that.

Speaker 9 (01:03:45):
Yeah, to me, I think it completely Your answer completely
makes sense it's complicated.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
You know, we all production.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
You do things, you take it out, you hit it in,
and particularly with something like this, it's it's controversial, so
you want to be very sensitive.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
It's just like from a Podmets World branding.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
Perspective, we were very much like, oh, they usually don't
have a problem putting like a little tag in the beginning,
so why didn't they? And also like hearing you talk
about your relationship with Ben as this I'll say, listen
to your podcast has really made me rethink Ben's relationship
with this because you've talked about how like Ben became
a mirror for Michael, and I was like, oh, you know,

(01:04:25):
maybe that's not a journey he wants to step back into,
you know, and we can't speak for him, but it's
lots of things where it's like, oh, what does it
feel to be the muse? Are the surrogate for someone
who is way older than you? Like, these are conversations
that we look at and we're like, oh, where does
Ben n and Michael begin? These are things that you know,
like as audience members, we can speculate, but like, for

(01:04:49):
it being your real life, you may not want to
revisit the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
That Yeah, totally. Yeah, we recognize that there are a
lot of reasons somebody could say I don't want to
step into this world. You know it really it's a
it's a it's a choice, and so you know, we
totally understand. And yeah, I mean, I definitely I think
I I think I will take responsibility for being the

(01:05:13):
one cutting that section out at the beginning, because I
think I felt this. I think I was probably the
one who felt the strongest about it. Also because there's
also a certain sense of responsibility I feel because it's
also my voice saying I'm the one does who does
the intro and when I'm when I'm the person reading it,
and I'm the one then saying and by the way,

(01:05:34):
you know, Fred had this happen out of respect for
not for Fred, who I do not have a relationship with,
out of respect for Ben, who I think you know,
said to us, go do the podcast. I don't want
to hold you back. But then obviously once we did it,
something very much changed. I just didn't want to add

(01:05:57):
one more thing, Like we already share effusively our stories
and experiences with him, and and you know, we think
they are all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Positive, but he doesn't you know, he may or may
not like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
He may think, even if it's a great story, he
might be thinking, keep my name out of your mouth.
I don't know. And so I know, I when I
heard it and it was my voice either, I had
a fear that was Ben's going to hear it and
he's going to be angry at me for acknowledging this,

(01:06:31):
and with coupled with the things right said that, I
wasn't quite sure what it added to the dialogue of
the situation. So I know that was that was my fear.
And it's what you know, we have to make these
decisions very quickly when we do the episodes. But you know,
hearing what you said, like writer said, you're you're right
that it probably was not It wasn't the right choice

(01:06:54):
with the social contract we have with our listenership.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
But I will say, Danielle, we all chose to cut
it just on you.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
I know what.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
We definitely all chose to cut it out, which because
again we just we just don't know. I mean, So
that's what it came down is like we literally have
nothing we can add to this. We know exactly what
everybody else does, and so you know, You're right, we
probably fumbled it where we should have at least acknowledged it.
But that's all it would have been, would be acknowledging
what everybody else knows from the news because there's literally

(01:07:22):
nothing we could add to it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
Sure, I just want to say, Danielle, first of all,
thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing that
with us.

Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
But also your.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Voices are so important, specifically yours, because we've seen this
show continuously through a very specific lens, and something that
we pride our podcast on is being able to be
like what about these other characters who very clearly have
a voice, who very clearly, as we talked about earlier
in this interview, should have had their own storylines and

(01:07:52):
like this idea of even at the end of the season,
we're meeting to pink Us parents again and they're nothing
like and we're like, they weren't at her graduation, they
weren't at her engagement party, like you know, like she
doesn't have this any real support other than her friend
who she met this year, Like what is her story?
That's kind of like what we keep coming back to.

(01:08:12):
So you are the voice of not only Tapangle, but
like you add a voice that is needed. And to
add to that, this podcast, even when the episodes aren't good,
listening to the three of you have fun make those episodes.
There are episodes where I was like, I did not
like this episode, but I liked listening to pod cover

(01:08:34):
this episode because they were having so.

Speaker 7 (01:08:36):
Much fun that I don't care that. Yeah, no, it
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 9 (01:08:40):
It's a rom and forward and I just wanted to
give you credit for that because we understand that certain people,
certain demographics, don't like it when a woman speaks, but
we appreciate it because it gives insight and it gives
voice to.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
A lot of people who are sidelined.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Danielle A writer, and I love when Danielle speaks, provided
she doesn't get shrill.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
And it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Man nails on aboard.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
Well, for the for the sake of lightning things up
a little bit, I would love to jump into some
season six superlatives with you guys. Is there a favorite
episode that comes to mind when you think about season six?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
God of the show or of our podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Oh, I can't think of both of them at the
same time, Danielle.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
I mean, I mean, I think you know, in terms
of importance as far as an experience, the we'll have
a good time. Then it's just you know, for me,
it's like, oh, that's a seminal episode. It's obviously I
invested in the acting and had such a great experience,
so that's always going to be super.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Memorable for me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yeah, that's such a that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
But now I'm kind of really tempted to say the
b Brain episode, which came out of.

Speaker 9 (01:10:03):
Nowhere so much it was true, be true with an
episode that we hated and I think up there with
like the worst, but listening to you cover it was hilarious.
That being said, I cannot pretend like this episode, that
episode ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
I would say that, you know, culminating obviously with the
ultimate episode for the arc. But I think the Tommy
storyline for for me was super important this season. It
just showed, you know, it was playing off of was
it last season where Eric dated the girl with the
season five or four, I can't remember which one it was,
but dated the woman who had a child.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I think they saw Eric and you know, we we.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Always talk about Eric is very childlike and he's also
like we've you know, said, he's basically a golden retriever,
which is which is what Eric does. So I think
putting him with with a kid, especially a kid who's vulnerable,
I think is it was some you know, showed a
great depth to Eric, so that that story arc meant
a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
This season, I think friendly Persuasion, where Trina really got
a great opportunity to just something yeah and just say
to Corey like, listen, man, you've never put in an effort.
Don't now suddenly make an effort because you want to
manipulate the situation. You're not my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
You've never been my friend.

Speaker 8 (01:11:26):
I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Even though he was kind of annoying and pushing himself,
I at least also appreciated that he cared enough, like
he took the criticism and was like, well, I don't
want that. You maybe you're right, I don't want that.
How can I make this? How can I make this right?
I appreciated that aspect of seeing their relationship. And for
you know, Trina is so good and every time they

(01:11:53):
give her something, she knocks it out of the park,
and there's just not enough opportunities given to her in
the season at all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
And seriously, for Tepenga.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Both of their relationships are entirely both of their characters
are entirely focused on how how invested they are in
the relationships with their partners.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Yeah, Tushy Dance, I'd like to throw I'd like to
brilliant episode. Uh, that's the one that'll probably go into
the Smithsonian, I think.

Speaker 8 (01:12:25):
And uh, you know, after this season, obviously there was
a lot of you know, feelings about the characters not
being who they were set up to be. But do
you have a favorite character from season six?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Oh my gosh, mmmm, I mean Jack really grew from Jack.
Jack was pretty I mean, they didn't give him a
whole lot to do, but Matt was.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Killing amazing and he does not get enough attention or agreed, yes,
but it's just really great and like I yeah, maybe
it's because I was coming in not expecting that, but
I was really impressed with the arc and it makes
sense and it's not in your face.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
And yeah, I'd also like to throw into the mix
because it's the same kind of uh category of didn't
wasn't used enough, but when.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Was used was incredible?

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
Was Allen?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
I thought Rusty?

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
I thought season six for Rusty with some of the
stuff that he did from the stupid impressions at the
end where he got a chance to be a little
bit funny to you know, being a dad again, even
though that should have been an amy episode. He there
was some stuff this season that I thought Rusty was
really great. And then you couple in the fact that
he was also directing some of the episodes too. I
think Rusty season six, Rusty was was pretty great.

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
Rusty.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, I'm going to stay with Jack. Jack I thinks
grew the most for me, had the had the biggest impact,
surprised me the most. I just overall loved that.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
We have a quick game that we want to do
with you guys, and we'll try to be as lightning
fast as possible. But basically the game for season six
is fill in the blank.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
The blanks aren't quotes, they're missing storylines that should have
been included in the season. Nice starting off, what happened
to know by these angels after the truck stop tragic
truck accident.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
There's only one angel left. Three of them were killed.
She's still there at the truck on.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
The other three became angels and came back and they performed,
the performed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Three of them are angels, and one of them is
a live, still brilliant crossover.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Now it's called Somebody's Angels.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
Yes, I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
Okay, you're throwing Amy Matthews a baby shower. Where are
her friends? Who are you inviting?

Speaker 7 (01:14:57):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
The other realtors and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Art gallery.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
And yeah, I'm also going to say she's got some
neighbor friends who were they raised kids in the same
neighborhood and and they probably come over as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
It's just it is some wilderness store clients. Do we
still love that?

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
That's still a thing. We've really been excited to ask
you this question. Who would you cast as Jack's stepfather?

Speaker 8 (01:15:30):
Oh, often discussed but never seen, wealthy stepfather.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
You know who I absolutely would have used because he
was He was brilliant and completely used wrong. I would
have had Michael McKeon play his stepfather and and would
have had a regular you know, whether they bring back
Peter Torque or not, you have a more hippie crunchy
Topanga's dad, because my McKeon would have been the great.

(01:16:01):
I mean he he did it. He did the role
just as to Peg his dad, which makes no sense.
So I think he could have been a great step.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
If if if anybody's on the table, Tom Cruise, yes,
you just have like he's like the ultimate, like just
perfect person. And Jack is like, ah, I'm never gonna
live up to my stepdad and he's got all the money,
and he's like he wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Have done it because he would have to stand next
to Maitland.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Jensen is suggesting Ted McGinley.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
That would be great, Ted would be great.

Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
Some options we came up with was like a Dylan
McDermott to kind of like play into that like swap tip.
We also thought we could go completely rogue and just
cast like a ving Rams and really throw people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
For a look. That would have been great too, Okay, Elba, yes,
really just show.

Speaker 8 (01:16:52):
A difference there. Okay, So last question, and this is
for all of you. What is everyone's major.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
As our character?

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Yeah, characters, what are and what is everyone's major?

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
I think Eric is clearly a communications major. Yeah, you're
just in college, so yeah that is my major? So yes,
there you go, there you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Shawn, he's not doing photography, but he does end up
being a photography ends up being a photo journalist, right, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Literally it wouldn't Shaan be literature? Yeah, I mean yeah,
probably probably English.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I think English, like English.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Yeah, to Panga, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
I mean to Penga, you know, wanted to go to
Yale and and we know, like thinking about Girl meets World.
She becomes a lawyer. So I'm like, okay, what if
she ends up going to law school?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Would she?

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yeah, political science? I mean she worked in a she
that's probably a great one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Political also, think to Panga would clearly be one of
those people that was a double major. Yeah, it would
be poly sci and some thing you know, environmental, you know,
something like that. But they just get rid of that
part of her life entirely.

Speaker 9 (01:18:06):
So yeah, yeah, canon that you guys made that Pinbrook
and that's the only explained like that, that gap.

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
But yeah, Corey and Angela.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I mean, I wish we knew one tiny thing about
Angela so that I could tell you what I suspect
it is. Although she seems really in tune with like
human behavior, and I wouldn't be surprised if she's a
psychology major.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I could see that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:35):
Yeah, she does write a paper about maintaining black identity
with three very white friends.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
There you go She could also be because you know,
they they do have her as such a strong woman.
She also could be an African American studies major. I
mean she clearly could could could be doing that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Corey. I think Corey changes his major every year.

Speaker 7 (01:18:59):
That's ract Jack and Rachel.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Rachel is going to Yale apparently Jack's business business major.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Business major.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah, Rachel Rachel studying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Hospitality to Yale to study hospitality. She gave up her
Yale you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
I mean, Cornell's School of Hotel Management is like one
of the best schools in the in the country, So
I mean it could be something like the two of
them end up going.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
To Peace Corps.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, so maybe international business studies or economics, economics.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
See why you wanted to tell you In hospitality, she's
always doing something with something.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
She all of her storylines revolve around taking care of
others or doing you know, others, others others. So I
don't know, That's why I was like, she could.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Also be pre med where she's then studying to be
a doctor or a nurse or something along them lines
as well, So there's there's a possibility she's on track
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
So she would be like a biology major or something. Maybe, yeah,
something along those lines.

Speaker 8 (01:20:08):
Well we'll take this as canon because the show never whatsoever.
But yeah, thank you guys so much for checking with
us answering our questions. We're really excited for you to
get to season seven. We know it's the final season,
but there are so many great things. I feel like
Jack becomes the character he should have been the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
In season seven.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
I feel like Eric is kind of thrown off the
deep end, but in a way that's more funny than
it is this season. Like this season it feels like
he's a little bit more harshres the next season it
feels more lighthearted to me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
This is stuck in the couch and and in the
you know. Okay, so yeah we go, we go honeymoon
all of that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:20:47):
Yeah, for help, and we know you're always working on guests,
but if you're able to get like a Marsha Cross
or even a mc foley or something like that, that
would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
We try to get everybody, reach out to everybody all
the time. And yeah, anybody who hasn't been on the
podcast yet is because they have either not been we've
not been able to work out their schedule or because
they have said no, but we ask everyone, but Marsha
Cross will be a really fun one too. I did
also want to give a little footnote and say thank
you both for honoring my request. I've never given you

(01:21:23):
a request of what we can or cannot talk about
in the recaps ever, but this year I did requests
that we not talk about one particular guest because I
knew I would end up all over certain gossip websites tomorrow,
and so I appreciate you honoring that request. However, in
light of our conversation about the Everybody Loves Stewart episode,

(01:21:45):
makes me feel like maybe it was the wrong thing,
but I I just didn't want to mention that person's
name because it'll.

Speaker 8 (01:21:53):
Just be that one was understandable and can we just say,
just as a blanket statement, one of our biggest take
ways from that episode was like, I don't think people
gave you guys the props for just having a hard conversation.
Like I feel like in today's day, it's so easy
to burn bridges and write people off and not try
to have a hard conversation or to overly edit it

(01:22:14):
or polish it or whatever, and it's just I felt
like it was so brave to just say, like, we're
gonna have a hard conversation. Whatever it is, it is
what it is, and I feel like that's really the
brand of Podmeets World and whether it's become over these
six years. She's guys saying, you know what, We're gonna
have an authentic conversation. Whatever comes out, it's gonna come out,
and we hope that you guys get something positive out of.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
It, and we always do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Thank you both so much. Such a joy to see you.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:37):
We love coming and we're so happy to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
Well, we're gonna be really happy and really sad to
see you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
That'll be the end for us.

Speaker 9 (01:22:46):
So yeah, really, I feel like Season seven recap will
be even better because we get the entire season.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
To talk about and really the nice show.

Speaker 9 (01:22:55):
Seriously, you'll be able to like see your character from
beginning to end, and I think just seeing you guys,
knowing that for the first time, the three of you
and Jensen have never seen this before, and you get
to really see the very beginning of your characters to
the end, I'm sure you'll have a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
Of questions, you'll have lots of comments, but we can.

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
Say that season six has been the lowest, So I'm
okay how high it goes.

Speaker 7 (01:23:20):
But just know that you've you've you've gone through that journey.

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
To the valley, you got through the heart.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Thank you, Thank you both so much. Always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Great to see you guys, bye by bye.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
They're always so great and bring such a good perspective
and point out things that, you know, even.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
A couple of things today that were like, I know, right,
it was really you know, it's really nice to hear
because there you know, I did feel so much pressure
this season to lean into the rompness of it. Yeah,
but I feel like I actually started turning off a
certain like analysis part of my brain and hearing like
their thoughts. I was like, no, there's some there's like

(01:24:03):
consistent themes and things to read and hear, even if
it's even if you don't like it, it's okay to
read those things and to point them out. And it's
it's inspiring me to like get back on my game
as far as a podcaster and like start thinking about
these things a little, you know, because I just don't
want to sound like too negative, but at the same time,
like there's parts of the show that should be well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
There's just things being said by the show, right, there's
things that that's what this is.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
This is storytelling, and boy Mean's world was actively telling
a story and reading that and pointing out what it's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
You know, that's that's what we're here to do.

Speaker 8 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
I also think it's one of those things where we
need to remind ourselves that and we've talked about this
before that we're in very rarefied air of television.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
For a show going as long as it does.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
And keeping the characters fresh and vibrant and storylines criss
crossing and adding new characters and getting rid of characters,
it's not an easy thing to do. And we had
phenomenal writers and producers that were doing that for And
there is not a show in the history of television
that has been seven, eight, nine, ten years of bangers, right,
every single one. Yeah, doesn't exist. So I don't care

(01:25:11):
if you're Mash or Cheers. There are seasons of Cheers
that weren't great. There are seasons of Mash that weren't great.
That's just the way it works, and you know I
think people get that well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
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Karp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,
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