August 11, 2025 • 55 mins
If you’ve shared the screen with a world-famous boy band AND a talking cat, you’re automatically cool. But if you can also claim an iconic role in one of the most generationally defining films of the ‘90s, well then, you’ve entered legendary status.
The gang is in San Francisco and hanging with Elisa Donovan!
We’ve headed back into the world of Sabrina to find out what it was like to be a witch’s roommate, and AS IF we’re not gonna ask EVERYTHING about Clueless (just in time for its 30th anniversary!)
Plus, Elisa reveals how the Clueless TV show led to a Hawaiian vacation with *NSYNC! All that and more, on a Bay Area Pod Meets World…
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Writer, how did the Lucasfilm tour come about? I know
our dear friend and super fan Easton Allen set.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It up for us purely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But did you just did you just bring it up
that you he brought.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It up, he offered. He's like he we reached up
both the bus.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I feel like he was like, hey, while you guys
are up there, you know, I have a friend who
works at Lucasfilm and you guys can have a tour
like yeah, what okay, get past the Yoda statue and
into the you know, yeah, this is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It open to the public those tours, Like how does.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
You can go to the lobby so you can go
in and you can see, you know, some of the
stuff that's the lobby just through the window, I guess.
And then but yeah, because we got.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We're super cool, We're hips baby.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, it was really special.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
So yeah, so yesterday we got to see Beyond the
Beyond the Lucasfilm Lobby and they have like everything from
every movie I've ever loved.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Well, that's the other thing is because it was it's
like the fiftieth anniversary of ILM. They had a big
they're big push to show all the ILM stuff which
everybody else is industrial, light and magic.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So that basically done every everybody knows in the history.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I know.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I was.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
The geek who bought the like the ILM Giant like
Encyclopedia that was like a special edition you could only
buy for like one hundred and fifty dollars back.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
In nineteen ninety. I was obsessed with this company and
a brilliant company.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, I was also, you know, I was never into
video games, but I was into computer games, and Lucas
made the best computer games early on computer games.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So Corgan Trail.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
No, but they basically took the concept of Oregon Trail
back like a text base, made it a real book graphics.
Secret of Monkey Island is like my favorite for a
Day of the Tentacles, another great one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What was Island?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So I was like ten, and they they there's like six.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of these now or more. But it's you. You play
a guy who wants to be a pirate and his
name is guy Brush Threepwood.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And say that one more time, guy Brush Threepood. Guy Brush,
that's a first name, yep. Okay, it's a great name.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And it's all text based, so there's overaginally there was
no voices or whatever, so it's just like reading a book.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Basically, but you get to make all these.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Adventures and he wants to be a pirate and so
it's hysterical, like the sense of humor and the choices
and the puzzles and.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I mean like I played this like four times when
I was a kid.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Anyway, the Lucas, so I was always obsessed with them
as a company even when.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
They were because I know, you were huge in The
Wolf and now that was that was you introduced me
to that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that was a whole other company.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
No there there games were like you would ever die
in their games, you know, it was like you would
just get stuck because you had to figure out the puzzles.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
They were just really well thought out, character based, well
written games. And that was what kind of got me
into Lucas in that roll between Star Wars movie, you know,
because when you think about it, they weren't.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Making anything when we were actually teenagers.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
It wasn't until the Special Edition came out in ninety seven. Yeah,
there's no Star Wars film making anything, and ILM was
doing everything right.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
They were doing facts, but but Lucas was doing anything. Ok. Yeah,
so anyway, it was a great tour.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
I felt a little bad because I was pointing out
stuff to her, like no, that's actually from this, or
this is from that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, you want to.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Do the door We'll say is that it was. It
was a great tour for us to see the stuff.
But it's not like when you go on a tour
of something at Disneyland and the guides have like a
twenty year history on all the things and they know
exactly where everything is and they've got special facts about stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
She's like, one of these is original. I don't know
which one it is.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I think this was from and I was like Galaxy Quest.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
She's like right, right, yeah, I know. She really did
actually want you to take over the tour.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
That's why I felt kind of like a jerk because
I was like, you, Okay, that's not what this is from.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So well, you weren't being a jerk at all, but
you you did seem like a fan, which is great.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm a total fan. I love Star Wars, anything fantasy basic.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The really cool thing was that for me, of course,
because I like to shop there was two stores, two stores.
Where are the things you could buy in those stores?
You could only get in those stores.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's how they get That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So I bought.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You know, Jensen loves hats and he's really particular about
his hats.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I was looking.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I was like, do I get him a Lucasfilm hat?
Because I like corduroy hats. They had corduroy hats of
Lucasfilm and ILM, and so I was like, Oh, what
do I get? And I'm asking Writer, do you think
he'd prefer il M? There's no service in there, so
I can't ask Jensen, do you think he'd prefer IOLM
or Lucas? Always like, I think he'd like, I think
he'd prefer ILM. And then Writer goes around a corner
and he goes, Danielle come here, and he calls me
over and they have a Howard the Duck, a Willow
(04:46):
and two different Indiana Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Hat Temple of Doom and Last Crusade old school style.
Have you what Temple of Doom and Last Years?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Maybe they were sold out? Maybe yeah, they may have
been sold out, But have you talked to yet?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I sent him a picture of it. Yeah, Howard the Duck,
Howard the Ducks lost his mind.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yes, I will wear that's like the most obscure.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Have you seen Howard the Duck recently?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
No, I've heard. It's like not as bad as you've
never seen Howard.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
When I was a kid, I was so confused, so
disturbingly weird.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And that's what I mean. He like pulls out a
condom out of.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Naked there's duck boobs and like the first.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Exactly like the movie, the main bad guy turns he's
a human, but then he really he turns into an
alien and his tongue comes out and it's.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Like trying to like get them with his.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's like so bizarre. It's great.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
It's weird and wonderful, and the stories behind how it
was made are It's terrified.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Basically the only movie that George Lucas like executive produced
between like the Indiana Johnson Space and it's like, I
guess maybe with some kind of family friend or favor.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
It was considered one of the biggest, like one of
the worst movies of all time, and it's not it's
really really good. It's it's what's his name from shawsh
ankrademn it's Tim Robbins is one of the Tim Robbins
and uh Leah Thompson.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Thompson, she's like the love interest for the love interest
whose she falls in love with the duck. She has
sex with the duck.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh, she's a human in it.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
She actually have sex with the duck. I just remember
at the end there is That's how I learned what
a condom was.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I was like, why does he have that in his wallet?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
My Mom's like, well, okay, heard about duck penises?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like that would be a terrible Have you heard about
duck penises?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
About duck penises?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No, why would we know about duck penis.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Duck penises are all like corkscrew crazy shapes.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's like, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A crazy interest. Everybody's penis like that. Sure, well, did
somebody tell me something?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Google duck penises and thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It is a labyrinth And what did you know about this?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
I think a radio lab episode.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, yeah, duck penis dot com.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Unintrucatized ever since I saw Howard the Duck trying to
figure out that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Seriously, watch it. Do not think it's a kid's film.
Do not watch it with the kids.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I would have. I totally thought I was my family.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Who said that you start on a world that is
Earth in the eighties, but it's all ducks. Like there,
he's he's smoking a cigar, he's reading play Duck.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So he opens it up and there's like a naked duck.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
He learns so much from this movie, seriously, and it
was I was way too And then he gets shot
here and he gets picked up by Leah Thompson who's
the lead singer of an up and coming like punk
girl's punk band, and he it's through Shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
You should see what happened how Duck. It's one of
the most famous films ever.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, they also had that Inner Space, which I recently
watched in sports movie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Another like bonkers movie.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It was like they were both of that era of
just like everybody was on cocaine, so like it was like, well,
the movie could also be this, and the movie could
also be this.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And the movie and it's like by the end, you're like.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
That, what was that?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The Inner Space starts with like the greatest concept ever,
which is brilliant. Scientists are trying to inject a rabbit
with a little mini human who's gonna like go through
the rabbit system to like you know, from Metal Science,
and accidentally gets injected into Martin short, it's a checkout
guy and like, okay, so it's just he's stuck inside
a human beings. He's got a figures. But no, then
they're suddenly miniaturized people chasing them around.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
There's a whole international it's so ubsurd.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
So the dangers of doing cocaine in the eighties and
making movies it's marvelous.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
A life less.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, let's talk about the dangers of doing a podcast
on cocaine.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I'm Daniel, Welcome to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I'm Daniel Fishal, I'm right strong, and I'm will for
I'm kidding on cocaine. I know.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, you're right. That's why we're not exactly that's it's
the time. That's exactly right. Well, while here in San
Francisco for a Pod Meets World live show, we expected
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a hot audience filled with nineties officionados well versed in
our podcast and our TI TV show from thirty plus
years ago. But what we weren't expecting was to also
record a new episode with an actor who just might
be the most sneaky legend of the era, involved in
project after project that helped define the decade. You most
(09:18):
likely first saw her in the groundbreaking comedy Clueless, alongside
Alicia Silverstone, Britney Murphy, Paul Rudd, and iconic outfits that
have since withstood the test of time, unlike say, the
four Layers of T shirts and Morgan footy pajamas you
saw on Boy Mean's show. Or you may know her
from Sabrina the Teenage Witch, playing a roommate of the
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Witch herself for seasons five through seven alongside Melissa Joan Hart,
Salimuonfry and a talking cat. Or you know her from
Blossom Night at the Roxbury, Beverly Hills nine O two
one zero, the in sync video for Thinking of You.
If you were putting together a time capsule for the nineties,
well you just might want to throw this woman in
(10:01):
with sufficient food and water and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, this week you alive.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We are talking to the real San Francisco treat Ready
to talk about all these decade defining projects, Please welcome
to pod Meats World. Alisa Donovan first, because we made
Silently for.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
I feel like I really just a lot of things.
I never saw it, but I do remember being freely disturbing.
Thats why I didn't watch it. But hold on, I
if you think that I am not going to take
what was the legend.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Scond?
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Do you think I'm not going to put that on
the back of my car? Are definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
License plate?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
N K I L G. I like sneaky Legends.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I'm going with it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Listen, make a T shirt, put your face on it.
We'll do it for you. I'll send it to you. Please, please,
thank you so much for being here with us, see
all of you. You are officially our first road trip guest.
Oh we've never on the road for Pod Meets World.
We've never Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We've had guests on stage, but we've never an episode. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Correct, I'm an innovator, you know. Yes, sneaky legends.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, that is what you live up here in the city.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I do.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yes, you've been up here.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
A lot of years. Thirteen so my daughter, no fourteen,
my daughter's thirteen. So I moved up here when my
now husband and I met, I was living in LA
We went back and forth for a year and a half.
You lived here, and yeah, so fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Wow, is crazy.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Because I was, you know, La is the longest I've
lived anywhere. Yeah, twenty four issuers or something, and I
just felt like nothing is even like like longer than
I lived in New York, where I grew up. And
now I'm saying, oh, fourteen is also quite extensive.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
What's it like being an actor up here in San Francisco?
Are you?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
It's like, I'm not an actor here really? And then
I go to La or wherever. I worked in Kentucky
and Alabama this year, so so it was really nice. Actually,
I feel like this is sort of you know, I
get to be my a family person. Yeah, I get
to have my normal life and do some things work related.
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I shot something here once. I was like, oh, this
is so nice. I can just like get up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And go down the street.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
Yeah, but that's this weird.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Probably have a lot of friends who aren't in the industry.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
None of my friends are in the industry. So cool,
I will say. When I first moved here, I was like,
this is Heavenly. Tell me about your job in tech. Oh,
you're thank you Tell me about that bank, you know.
I was like fascinated that everybody after a few years,
I'm like, God, you people are really boring. Any of
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you create anything, you know, So it really does I
totally identify, and I with that feeling of just needing
to be out of that, and now I'm like, where
are my weird people? Where are my creative people? Yes,
and we have an amazing community, like we have wonderful friends,
you know, but it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
We have had quite a few guests on the show
who have had amazing first jobs, but I'm not sure
anyone is able to top having Clueless as their first job.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Do you remember your audition?
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (13:56):
I definitely do, Yes, what was happening? So my very
first job was Blossom, Yes, and I had just moved
from New York, and they hired me for one episode
and I played Joey's girlfriend. But we had great chemistry.
So then they wrote me back into the exactly and
(14:21):
that was my first experience of you know, people being
absolutely over the moon over someone, like the fans of
that show of Joey.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It was like crazy, yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
So they we had great chemistry, so they wrote me
back into the show, and then I auditioned for Clueless,
and then I had to not go back to blossom,
but which I felt like this stuff never happens, and
you know, anyway, so the audition I do remember, you know,
I had a first read for Marsha Ross and her
office in the valley, and then I read again for
(14:54):
Marcia and I think Twink maybe you know, it was
the thing I went I read so many times and
which was good in this sense of, you know, you
become more familiar and comfortable with the material. But then
the closer, the final audition was in Scott Ruden's office
at Paramount, and it was the first time I had
been on that lot. And that lot is really like,
(15:14):
you know, old Hollywood and super kind of special history.
There's a history, and I was petrified. I mean, I
remember what I was wearing. And I went into his
office and it was Amy and Twink and Scott and
he's very scary. Really in my memory, it was like
a very dark office, which I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Sure is not true.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
I'm fairly certain that is an inaccurate memory. But and
he was very intimidating. And Amy and Twink were so sweet.
They're the most like. Amy is so disarmingly approachable, like
and normal. She's like a normal in the best way.
In terms of, you know, she's a human being, that
she's incredibly smart and she has no.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right to be that normal with how talented she is.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Correct, because she's so talented that she's Yes.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I remember reading that script and it was it was
one of those things where it was whispered around town.
It was like everybody who knew that project knew it
was going to be huge, but kept it tight lipped. Wow.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So I remember getting the script and being like, I
just want to read for the something in this because this.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No I never never to me, but I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I think they sent it to me for Alicia Silverstone's boyfriend,
the one who trying to be gay.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I was young or something like that, and they.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
So I I think I still have it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I remember thinking, I.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Remember, you know, I was in college at the time
and I had just read I mean nineteenth century English
novel major like that was like one of my main foocuses.
So Emma. I was like a huge Jane Austen fan.
So when I read it, I'm one of the only
people that was like, I feel like this is based
on Emma. And I was like reading all these books
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in my trailer and everyone else is like no else
was doing that. You did a real deep character dive,
very deep character dive.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So, okay, I have a question about what because you
said you remember what you were wearing?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Did you wear this?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Do you guys remember the story that you should always
wear the same outfit as like your first did you?
We did every time time, because if you go in
for your first audition and they like you, you assume
well they liked everything about it, So you wear the
same outfit again unless they tell you to change.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Do you also self tape in the same outfit?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I have no idea, knowing that that's what I was
supposed to do, and yet feeling the need to explain.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Like I wore this because I was told to have.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
In my head thinking they're going to think, lady, change
your cl this is my outfit. Yet really, so what
was your outfit?
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Was Bessie Johnson? Okay, a black like silk sort of
capsleeved top. It was very fitted and a skirt that
had some kind of a print. It was like one
of her It had like people on it or something.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It was Johnson black. It was it was colorful, and
full of personality.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
I can't remember what shoes.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
I was super important.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's really nice that you were patriotic.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
I'm very patriotic. Nothing if not a patriot. I don't
remember the shoes, So okay, I was wearing well.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Clueless turns thirty this year, and as everyone knows, you
play Amber shares over the top valley girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But being from New York, how did you nail Valley
girls so well?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
So I based that character on girls that I went
to junior high in high school with. We're not very nice.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
To me, right girls girls the.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
Best feeling in the world, the best revenge in the world.
But I, I don't know. I was like super geeky
and into like research, so I, you know, drove around
Beverly Hills in my broken down car that I prayed
every day I would get to where I was going,
you know, and I've said, Okay, this is Amber's house,
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like this is what you know, where she would live,
and I just sort of like would walk around there
and kind of listen to people and talk to people
and try to really like own it. But I do
think there is a you know, one of the reasons
that the film has stood the test of time is
that it's so specific to that group of people in
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that specific place, but within that is the universal. Right,
Like these relationships and dynamics in high school, they don't
really change that much, and so you can kind of
put it into any other environment and kind of tweak
the the details, but the relationships, you know, are pretty
pretty standard.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I remember, like, I mean, we used to do valid
girl talk on the playground, like.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It was it was a trope, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It was like that was like a character, like when
you think about fast Times really sort of made it popular,
but like there were a lot of movies and TV
shows value everybody talked like that. And I remember having
that realization like when I don't know, ten fifteen years ago,
the way to sort of like diminish young women.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Was to talk about vocal fry.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And it's like like we had these like consistent ways
of like undermining the way like vapid girls talk. It's
like we find whatever that vocal tick is and it
becomes popular to make fun of or like do as
a character.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, it's not just diminish young girls with stuff like that.
It's also talk about women's tone it's policing women based
on voice and and how how you present and how
you A little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Right now, it's a little down a little bit. She's
a strat exactly. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
She just just talks a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Bossy, just hit yeah, I have to I have to
turn it off when she starts talking. Well, all of
you had such great chemistry. Were you just paired up
on the first day of shooting or did you get
to hang out before?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
So some people had tests with each other before they
were to chemistry reads. But I think for Amber because
she was never like she just is sort of on
her own tear. So I met everybody at the hair
and makeup test, which we I mean, I can't remember exactly,
but I feel like all contracts were like it was
(21:44):
done done. But that was when I met everybody. And
that was also when they I had like long hair
sort of, I mean, no one has as gorgeous of
hair as you, but like that like full long hair,
and they cut this that severe short bang and gave
me a bob on that day. And I know Paskowitz
(22:07):
who was amazed. She's incredible. Like every department on that
film was like a magical top notch where I felt like, oh,
this is what it is to make movies. Yeah, so great,
women run everything, they hire all the right people. Everybody's nice,
everyone's excellent at their job, you know. But she, Nina
was the key hairdresser. She was like, are you game
(22:30):
for this? And I said yeah, definitely, And they just
hacked it. And I went into my agent's office afterwards
and they were like can we help you? Like who
was you know? And I was like hi, and they went,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Did they show you a photo before to say like
this is what we're going to do?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:49):
She well she said I want to do a really
heavy bang and then just you know, so that she
was different what it was it was, but it also
just helped. This was like why it was so magical. Also,
every piece helped the character. Right, the wardrobe is the
part of it. It's like it's a gift for an actor, right,
you get all that stuff. It just helps to inform.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Also, what a fun change that you probably never would yourself.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
You never would have like been you know what I
should do? But like now you exactly get to It
was amazing. And then it made everything more versatile you
could do. You could put pieces in my hair, you
could do all sorts of other things that they wound up,
you know, doing that is it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That is just so cool.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, we had one one guest star slash co star
in common with the late great Britney Murphy. She was
on two episodes of Boy Meets She was. Yeah, she
played to Penga's best friend Trainy.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Right after you guys film I think.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The next I don't think it evens it even come out,
come out?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Did you guys shoot over the summer of the spring
we shot? I believe we shot from November to like February.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, so it would have been the next The next
was the beginning of our second season. She came into two.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It was for two. She did two. I think she
was so cool.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
It's really like I get emotional thinking about her because
you know, we've done so Alicia and I are like,
everybody's like, how does it feel for the thirtieth anniversary.
We're like, well, sort of like the eleventh, and then
the fourteenth and then the twenty third, and it was
like everybody kind of although it does feel different this year,
but every time, I just you know, she should be
(24:39):
doing these things she should be here. You know, it's
really hard and really odd and because you know, especially
for me, because I feel like I have filled this
spot that should be hers in doing a lot of
the press, like I am asked to speak a lot
more than perhaps I will be. I mean, I don't
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know if that's true or not.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But that's how I could feel your mind.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah, And I just like she was so special and
so she had this way of making you feel like
she was elated to see.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You every time.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yes, and so talented, and it just like it breaks
my heart. I wish that she was taking care of better. Yeah,
that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Definitely.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
I could talk about this for a long time and
I won't, but yeah, I feel like there's a lot
to be learned there, and I just wish that she had,
you know, better people looking after her.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It comes up in our in our conversations a lot
with people, just the idea of like.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Who is protecting you?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yes, and for so many.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
People yes, because you all were so I mean, I'm
sure I've talked about this as kids, but you guys
were so young.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, and you were older than I was older.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
I was twenty two when we were twenty one, she was.
She was the youngest of all of us. I feel
I want to say she was sixteen, but something something
around there.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Her mom was still on sie.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Because her mom was still yet really closely, I think
even if she was, she still would have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I think definitely they were.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Just so they were in a loving way, codependent.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
They were inseparable, but I have Okay, So Clueless is
also famous for having a pretty big.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I guess split in the audience.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Kind of the controversy of how did you feel about
Alicia Silverstone's character ending up with essentially her brother.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yea, you see, some people are like, it didn't bother
me at all, or I saw.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The person, I was like, that's what's happening.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
So I at the time, I didn't really I didn't.
I didn't think anything of it, okay, and then over
time I went, oh, that is a little strange, and
then some people went crazy. And then Amy just was
asked this when we were at the Academy there was
a screening, and she was like, it doesn't matter, Like,
what are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Who cares?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
It's not really they didn't live together, Like come on,
you know, it's just like move on. I'm like, all right,
just move on.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I love that. I love that well, similar to Boy
Meets World.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
A lot of our generation have an incredibly close connection
to Clueless, and you appeared at nineties Con recently with Alicia.
What do you think has kept this movie so relevant
in pop culture over the years.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
I mean, it's sure similarly similarly to you all, it's
like you can't you sort of can't talk about how
it is to not like you don't you know nothing else, right,
It's like it's a part of your life. There's no
way it's just embedded in your life. So when I
try to think about why, I just think it's one
(27:51):
of these things where it's it's beautifully crafted, it's incredibly
well written, it's perfectly cast, every department was operating at
the highest level. And I think it's really it's good spirited,
like these as. Uh, there's something that is so warm
and light about it that and it's approachable, and I
(28:15):
just think, and it's nice to look at, you know,
it's kind of all of the things. But I do
think it's kind of what I said before that it's
so it's timeless and the relationships and that period of
life in high school. It's so hard. It's just not
an easy time. And I think the fact that there
(28:36):
are so there were so many groundbreaking things in that
a black and a white woman in the leads of
a film, same socioeconomic backgrounds, totally equal. Oh you have
a gay friend also great. Oh somebody's drug addict is
going to get sober. Great, you know, like all of
these things like.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Such, yes, no, But it's also it's one of those
things where it it's one of those films that also
perfectly encapsulates its decade. So I mean it just the
Clueless represents the nineties, like Breakfast Club or Fast Times
(29:14):
represents the eighties.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
I mean that just like makes me so happy.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Are those films that it's like, oh, what's what was
the decade?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Like put in this one movie.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
And it's like that's the day, yeah, right, And that
was what That's one of the things that Amy Heckling
did so well is that she was kind of so
of the time wherever she was so present in the
moment she was that she was like, I can write
something that will show this entire decade in ninety minutes yep.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
And that's what Clueless seems to be for the nineties.
It's just like that, this is it, Here's here's the nineties.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
It's actually more layered than like the Breakfast Club. I
think that. I think it's way more self conscious about it.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I don't think it's more layered than Fast Times, though,
I think Fast Times and Clueless are more are kind
of on par with each.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Other, with the different exactly, but yeah, yeah, I feel
like they're able to capture the time. Will also be
somewhat like out of it, like comment, I feel like
he was writing in it, like he was like, this
is the way teenagers are, and like those movies are
sort of more actually of the time, whereas I feel
like Clueless is so smart.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I mean it's so layered interesting. I never thought about
that way on the thing, so.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It Yeah, it seem I think it's so smart, amazing,
it makes it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, it elevates it, I think.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
From I never thought about it that way with I
think that's exactly right, true, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
That's like that's what when it comes from Jane Austen
is coming from some of the best source material.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
He has ever been so brilliant to do that, right, Yes.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Absolutely, yeah, truly amazing I mean those are those are
iconic literary characters that they're timeless, I mean, truly time.
But then to take it and wrap it in a
decade like the nineties is just it's smart, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, you mentioned it was a movie that's good looking
to watch, so I want to. I mean, obviously the wardrobe,
the hair, of the makeup, but also you have yourself, Alicia, Brittany,
Stacy Dash, Paul Red, Donald, face On, Breckenmeyer, Jeremy Sisto,
a very good looking young cast.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Did any romantic sparks fly on the side? Oh, I mean,
not that I'm aware, Okay, not that you know of.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I was like so nervous the whole time. I think
that Alicia had a boyfriend who was older. I forget
his name. We should all we should all forget him.
I think, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
We don't remember his name.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
He doesn't need to be mentioned. Yeah, but Stacy might
have been married at the time. Maybe I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
The oldest in the cast, right, she was the oldest.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Yes, and Brittany was the youngest. And Donald, Oh gosh,
I love Donald. You know, he's like everyone's favorite person.
We had so much fun, so I don't. I don't not,
okay that you know?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Well, so much of the fashion in the
movie has taken on a life of its own even
decades later. What was it like being fitted for all
of that stuff?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
It was?
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Is there more of your question?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Did it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
The moment?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
It was extensive? You know, I don't know how you
guys feel, but warde of fittings are like my worst nightmare.
But that was my first experience of a long and
I went, oh, this is this is actually meaningful? Like
it was super fun because it was so creative, and
it was always like, again, such a part of the character.
(32:23):
So even though they were really lengthy, it was like
creating the character and this thing of like Amber cares
deeply about everything, so every little detail matters, and you know,
I'd even be like running to set and they'd be
like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, like take this and
stick it in your hair or put this in your shoe,
you know, like something that was always adding to it,
and we would just laugh, like it was. It was
(32:46):
so fun.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, the fashion was one of the characters.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Definitely, definitely, definitely amazing. Yeah, And each character had kind
of their specific flair, you know, and Amber. We would
always say it was the one that you know would
fly to fashion week on the weekend and then bring
it back to English class. But like add a little
more to it. You know, she like less is more.
She's like more is more is better than more.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
But it's even the little things that that were written in,
like the father just saying where's my collarless shirt?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
From Fred Siegel? You just need that one line to
know that he was fashion conscious too. That's all you need.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
It's like that's where it came from. He just needed
that one line and you knew that he was all
about clothes too. It was in the family. It was
so cool.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well then shortly after you would become a part of
the t G I F Family with the Clueless TV show.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
That's right, Oh, she almost forgot.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
We ever crosspaths doing promos.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
I we must have, right.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I came to set at some point. I forget why.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I don't know who I was, no cluel like I remember,
I don't know who was there. Like for some reason,
I remember walking and like you guys like you had
because you had like a hallway or what.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I I don't know why I was there. I must
have been with you or somebody else. I didn't go,
but I remember being.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like, oh, this is Clueless like the movie, and we're
on the show, and I wonder if this is going.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
To be Is that what I want?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yess what it was we did promos.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
That show was like I think about this, Melissa and
I laugh about this, or I told her and then
she was laughing that we you know, the first season,
it was like we were on the side of a bus.
You know, there's Melissa and then we the three of us,
us three girl like or were there three of us? Yes,
so Stacey, Rachel and I on the side of the
bus like our big heads, you know, and we were thinking, oh,
(34:31):
here's this show about like the talking cat, Like what
a joke? And then Sabrina becomes eight huge hits.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Clueless is like, oh, I can't quite find its.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Legs, you know. Like we were picked up for the
whole season, which was unheard of at the time. Yeah,
before we even started twenty two episodes. And then they
were like the network very quickly like was this a mistake?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Should we you know?
Speaker 7 (34:57):
And then we wound up going to the other not
the UPN and then the WB no UPN. I think
and then Sabrina went to the WB I forget Now,
So we found up only doing one season on ABC,
which is why it was a little to I know
that was the thing.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
And but the show did run for three seasons. It did, yes,
as a group of actors who tried to recreate some
magic on TV.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Did it did it ever feel the same or did
it feel different for you guys?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
So I think it felt different for sure. But for
me and for my character, she was so much. She
was such a bigger part of this show. So it
was really fun for me because I got to really
work with everybody, you know. And then they put they
would sort of write these capers for Donald and Sean
and I and where they were sort of like Amber's lackeys,
(35:53):
you know, we would like go in these adventures. I
would make them do things, and it was just really
fun in that regard. So we did a bunch of
episodes that I loved. We did like a the Tarantino movie. Yes,
we did a like a sort of version of that
that was hilarious and so many really funny things. But it,
(36:18):
you know, we kind of when it went to UPN
it was better in the sense of freedom. We have
more freedom and it could be a little bit older,
but you know, it just didn't really find its place.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
But that one season of Clueless on ABC was not
your only fora into the TJIF lineup, because our listeners
will also know you as Morgan Kavanaugh on seasons five
through seven of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. What was it
like joining a show that was already set in its
little successful routine.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
That was bizarre because we also my fifth episode was
their one hundredth episode. Wow, so there was all of
this like a big cake. They're like, how does it
feel to be one hundred?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
You know?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
I was like, well, like, you know, and so it
was bizarre, like you're just stepping into something that's already
a well oiled machine. But they also were, you know,
at a certain point, you they it's hard because you
have to grow up, right like you guys known and
then it's like what you do with that? So bringing
her into college and Melissa is like, just she's such
(37:23):
a pro and she's so the word.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They're close old girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
You know, she's so easy, like a total pro and
a super easy person to work with. So it was
really it was very fun.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And season five also added Sleigh Moonfry, a former Podmeets
World guest, as well.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So there you are playing a roommate of Melissa and
Punky Brewster. It's kind of a tall TV.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Right.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
When I think about this stuff, I think, oh, whoa,
I guess yeah, I sort of did have done like
a lot of things with people who have stood the
test of time.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean a sneaky legend legend, bring it back, you
known legends.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
That's my show, Amy Sugarman. That's what it is, sneaky
legends legend. It's done.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We also had Nate Richard on the show recently, and
he had such an odd trajectory on the show, returning
to the show in season six after being left out
of the retooling, and he went from dating Sabrina to
dating you.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Do you remember any of that dating transmission?
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I know, except that my I this is also a
sort of thing that seems to happen with a lot
of my characters. I date everyone, okay nine O two
and oh it was the same thing like I slept
with Jason, I slept with Brian. I was like dating
on and you know Ian and so the same Morgan.
I dated Dan last Yer's character, and then I dated Harvey,
(39:04):
and then one of like Hanson came to them. Hanson.
Remember I was older than all these people like always
playing younger.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
So I was a.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Little bit like, this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Okay, okay, all right, let's just do this quickly, you.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Know, like I'm telling you. Hearing her say that is
exactly why my.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Mom didn't let me watch nine O two one. Oh yes,
it's the only show that she mentioned. She was like, yeah,
you know, I can't made out with Harvey, made up okay,
and then on night I was like sleeping with Jason, sleeping.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
The very first shot of me in that show is
the opening of this season, and I like roll over
in bed with Jason.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Everything like that. That character was whoa, I really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Did she have a good time? Did you were you
in Melrose Place at all?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, I was curious if they just started just keep going.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
I also stole things as that character. I like, I think,
I feel like I stold people's rolex and some other things.
I smoked pot, but you couldn't, like, you couldn't show it,
so like I had was holding a joint over here,
but you couldn't put it to your mouth.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
They were like all these you could just be holding.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Out a lot of pot just like this.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
In their life before doing am smoking, doing the grass,
doing grass.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Oh my god, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well t G I f Also wasn't the only commonality
we had. I know, we also found our history hanging
around the Instinct guys in the late boy Band nineties.
You appear in the Thinking of You I Drive Myself
Crazy music.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Video, another fandom of the nineties.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
She's a part of it.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
I mean, I know, I know. How did I not
do boy MutS World? I wasn't invited.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I know that's a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So how did you meet the Instinct guys and what
do you share about your experiences with them.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Today?
Speaker 7 (41:24):
I share it all? Okay, great, For many years I
did not. So they did an episode of Clueless and
I feel like it was close to the end of
the show and they again, this is me. I'm this
is also a part of my story. How anything that
I sort of like make fun of or have something
to say about, ie, oh, the Talking Cat Show really
(41:48):
with InSync that you know the studio said, this is
a really big deal, like these guys are coming on
and I was.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Just like.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
These like little boys, like what like boy? I was
literally making fun of them before they got to set.
I was like, I'm going to request dirty print songs
for them to sing. Then of course they show up.
They're super professional, They're really kind, incredibly talented and incredibly talented,
and I was like, oh, I'm the I am definitely
(42:16):
the jerky.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Let's go, let's make out.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
So that's how I met them, and then we started
hanging out like I would go out with them. Yep,
Joey and I started dating. That was like under the
under the under the radar. Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Stop trying to steal my story, but I would like
I remember and that, oh my god, going to see
one of their concerts.
Speaker 7 (42:53):
I also I was like I was on their tour
bus for a couple of days, Like what was I doing?
But I like flew to Florida or something. I don't know,
but I remust.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I mean, I know we were on the bus at
the same time for the for the shoot, But did
we go on tour together too?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Because I went on tour many times?
Speaker 9 (43:07):
You did?
Speaker 7 (43:07):
You were so I can't remember. I feel like you.
We had a crossover maybe of like a day or two,
and then I like, and you left, and I because
I remember feeling like, oh, Danielle's here, and then it
was like, oh, or now it's just me, and now
this feels weird. I don't know, I want, but I
remember going to the show at the Staples Center or
(43:30):
some something in LA like one of the big venus
for him. And I got out of you know, Joeys
like come, you know, a couple hours early or whatever.
So I get out of the car and I am
swarmed as if I am one of the Beatles, you know.
And they were just like she's going to say that
(43:50):
you And I was like, oh my god, yeah, and
I went inside. I was like, this is insane. How
like that that level of it's just it's wild, you know,
And that age is like that, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
year old girls, like there's just like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
And saw that with them, I mean you also saw
that with Joey so Y's They were see some of
the most crazy fandoms of all time.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I mean that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I remember we left the we left the Jay Leno
show once it was uh and Sarah friend and Tara
Sarah drove me, Justin and Lance out and she had
a she had a big old convertible.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yes, and they could see, you know, they could.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
See them just sitting in the car and literally it
was and running after the convertible and it was like crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I remember just looking back and being like, oh, I'm
I'm living one of.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Those clips I've seen of what Beatlemania was, Like, I mean,
how did do you remember going to what was the
name of that place?
Speaker 7 (44:51):
I had an Irish name. It was upstairs Dublin Doublin's.
Yeah about Dublins, Yeah, somebody did Dublin's. And like, Dan,
when I think about that now, I'm like, how did
we go dancing there? Just like, you know, out dancing
totally normal Justin and Chris and Joey, Like, how did
we do that? I know without?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I guess outside it was crazy to do it all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Like there were times that I would be on tour
and Justin would call and go, hey, do you guys
to Lance, do you do you guys want to go dancing?
And I should have thought it was odd when Lance
would be like, well I don't, but Danielle, do you
want to go dancing, and then Justin and I would
go dancing, and then I'd be like, are we supposed
to be doing this?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Didn't we? Did you come to my house to watch Clue?
You know, Clue is one of my favorite movies of
all time, as it is Lance's as well.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Oh my god, it's also my husband. This is like, oh,
my husband is obsessed with Clue.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
I desperately want to remake this film. I know that
they're already doing it, but I don't care. I'll do
it better. I need to be in this movie. But
so we read this is back in the day of
like you know, vhs HS thank you, and I rented
it from my I lived in uh Bronson Canyon at
the time, the little place down on the corner of
(46:05):
Franklin and I we watched it.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I thought that you were there. I may I may
have been. I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 7 (46:11):
And but the thing is then I was like, no,
you guys can take it, because they were going to
take you. They were going back on tour and then
never brought it back. And like every time I went
to the video Star, they're like one hundred and fifty
dollars two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Bring to a different video star, like I just yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh my gosh, stolen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
My clue.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It was.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, I don't know if you remember when when did
we shoot? When did you guys shoot the video? The
music video?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
It must have been June or July. Yes, that sounds right,
because Lance had just broken up with me.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Were supposed to wait, but you were there.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
But I was just there, but I wasn't the girlfriend
thought you.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Weren't in it because you didn't want to meet. I
thought it was too on the nose that people then
would really know that you guys were dating.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Well people at this point, he had already told people
on jay Leno we were dating.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
So I just like it was at Merseach to be allowed.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I was the first girlfriend to kind of be allowed
to be talked about.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Respect.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
She's a girl.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
She's a girl, I promise where stress is super pretty
and so people knew. But he it was like right
after because he went to my prom and then he
broke up with me, but he still invited me to
the shoot, which was really we were still hanging.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Out and didn't know that that you guys. Did I
know that you because I feel like we didn't we
drive you home or something.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I probably cried. I was so sad. I think I
also brought him our prom pictures to that shoot, like,
here's your copies of your calm pictures. I'm sure you
want to do this.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And so yeah, I was like really sad.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
And then so we broke up in June of ninety nine,
June or July of ninety nine, and that New Year's Eve,
I went to Hawaii with them for it was still
sousing for a young lady, but I had very confused
so close to all of them.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
Yeah, it was still Lance, the only one EVENTS think
that you dated. Yeah, okay, of course what I do
think I remember because I'm a little older than you,
and everyone I remember going.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Lance doesn't.
Speaker 7 (48:35):
I'm unclear about what's going on here except me get it.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, But then I.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Wondered, did you I've never actually asked Joey this? Did
he did? Did all the guys know? And did they
just agree not to say anything?
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Chris or did say that even regularly?
Speaker 9 (48:52):
Oh? He did?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Kristen just flat out say, do you know that your
boyfriend is gay?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Jeez, you totally see him saying that.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Actually, Lance was thin, and Lance would act put out
by it, and I would be.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Like, no, did Lance really know?
Speaker 4 (49:05):
At this point.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Lance internally did.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But truly, Lance, I mean, it's one of the sweetest
things anybody's ever said about me. But Lance was still
also very much of the belief that like he could
shake the gay away if he just met the right girl,
like if if I could just.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Be so.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
And then he said, like, truly our prom night where
it was very clear I thought one thing was going
to happen, or was really hoping something was going to happen,
and he wanted to watch The Green Mile, and he
realized I very romantic movie. He said that I couldn't
make it work with Danielle. I really wasn't going to
be able to.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Make it work with her.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
And I think that and so he knew he had
to wake up with me.
Speaker 7 (49:52):
It was clear that you two had a very sweet
like you had a real you loved each other very
that was very real.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yes, yes, we still care about each other. Yeah, going exactly,
we care about each other. I have one other project
of yours I need to talk to you about. I mean,
we could go on and on and on forever, but
I do need to ask you about Night at the Roxbury,
a movie that, in my opinion, does not get the
attention that it deserves.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
It was produced by.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Amy Heckerling, the director of Lewis and You Pay You Play,
cam by Chris Catan's girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
This must have been such a moment.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Oh my film.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
I have to say. We were shooting this series of
Clueless during the day, so days and Roxbury we shot
a lot of nights.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (50:33):
So there were there was like a week there where
I was twenty four hours. Oh they'd picked me up
from Paramount. But you know, you don't say no, right,
of course I have to do this, but I was
Looney Tunes exhausted. Which then those two Will and Chris
are like maybe two of the funniest people. I could
not well. I mean I wish that they would show
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the outtakes from that film because every time it was
just like sometimes I would have to say, can you
guys turn around, like for my coverage, Like I couldn't
look at their faces because it was too much. Seriously,
I'm like, no, no, just go home, go home.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I can't be so hard.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
I mean I didn't no, So it wasn't like the
whole time, but there were there was like a week
and a half where then I like broke down. I
remember breaking down crying at Paramount shooting Clueless and like
this light scene, and I was like, are you guys
are just we just.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
I?
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Nancy and the director Linda Day. Did you guys ever
work with Linda Day? She was one of the only
female direct TV directors at the time. She was so dear.
She was like everybody's mom, and she was like, they're
working her too hard. You need to give her a break.
And I was like, well, don't give me too much
of a break.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
I want to do the job.
Speaker 7 (51:48):
I can handle it. But it was so that dance scene.
They wanted to give us some stand ins like dance
doubles and gg Rice and I and I mean Will
and too. We were like no, no, no, no, no way,
like we are doing it. Yeah, oh so fun. It's
like my dream. It was super fun.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I haven't said so one project I haven't seen.
Speaker 7 (52:09):
I just watched The Day.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I've seen the rest of the movie.
Speaker 7 (52:12):
Molly Shannon is in it.
Speaker 6 (52:16):
Yeah, I have to watch some of those SNL movies
that kind of slide under the radar a little bit
are some of my favorite things ever.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
So yeah, like Ladies Man is one of my favorite
movies of all time. So I've got to see Okay,
I'll see that.
Speaker 7 (52:28):
Roger Murray, Alright, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, I'm gonna make you choose, is my last question.
I'm going to make you choose.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Which are one of us to kill? It's going to
be a.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
God.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
I better get this right.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And of all of the incredible nineties projects you were
a part of, what would you say is the most fun?
Speaker 7 (52:55):
Oh? I I feel like every project had its moments,
but like, oh my gosh, I don't know, I really
I I mean, I almost want to say the dance
and the night of the Rossberry if I could do
a specific if you could pick a moment, a moment
(53:18):
that was really fun because I love dancing, Like I'm
the person that would leave parties and pretend like I
was going to bed and go salsa dancing, like keep
Salta shoes in the trunk of my car. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I gotta go, Yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
And then I get in my car, change my shoes
and my clothes and go to l Florida on Fountain
Fine yep, so like I to me, that was like
marrying all the things that you love.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (53:48):
Are the best? How fun? Does everybody just want to
come back all the time because so much?
Speaker 3 (53:53):
That's not true.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
To be clear, you're not welcome back. You are welcome anytime.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
So loved having you always. Great to see you.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Thank you for taking time out of.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Your busy schedule to be with us on a Saturday
at nine am.
Speaker 7 (54:12):
Loved I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
Thanks for coming to San Francisco anytime. Anytime. We can
all be convinced to move, So do it.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails
pod meets World Show at gmail dot com and we've
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Speaker 2 (54:35):
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Speaker 1 (54:38):
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Speaker 2 (54:42):
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Speaker 6 (54:45):
Pod Meets World is nheart podcast produce and hosted by
Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp
and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production Danielle Romo,
producer and editor, Tara Sudbaksh producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and
Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song
is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow
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(55:08):
at Podmetsworldshow at gmail dot com
Writer, how did the Lucasfilm tour come about? I know
our dear friend and super fan Easton Allen set.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It up for us purely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But did you just did you just bring it up
that you he brought.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It up, he offered. He's like he we reached up
both the bus.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I feel like he was like, hey, while you guys
are up there, you know, I have a friend who
works at Lucasfilm and you guys can have a tour
like yeah, what okay, get past the Yoda statue and
into the you know, yeah, this is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It open to the public those tours, Like how does.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
You can go to the lobby so you can go
in and you can see, you know, some of the
stuff that's the lobby just through the window, I guess.
And then but yeah, because we got.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We're super cool, We're hips baby.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, it was really special.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
So yeah, so yesterday we got to see Beyond the
Beyond the Lucasfilm Lobby and they have like everything from
every movie I've ever loved.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Well, that's the other thing is because it was it's
like the fiftieth anniversary of ILM. They had a big
they're big push to show all the ILM stuff which
everybody else is industrial, light and magic.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So that basically done every everybody knows in the history.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I know.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I was.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
The geek who bought the like the ILM Giant like
Encyclopedia that was like a special edition you could only
buy for like one hundred and fifty dollars back.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
In nineteen ninety. I was obsessed with this company and
a brilliant company.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, I was also, you know, I was never into
video games, but I was into computer games, and Lucas
made the best computer games early on computer games.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So Corgan Trail.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
No, but they basically took the concept of Oregon Trail
back like a text base, made it a real book graphics.
Secret of Monkey Island is like my favorite for a
Day of the Tentacles, another great one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What was Island?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So I was like ten, and they they there's like six.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Of these now or more. But it's you. You play
a guy who wants to be a pirate and his
name is guy Brush Threepwood.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And say that one more time, guy Brush Threepood. Guy Brush,
that's a first name, yep. Okay, it's a great name.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And it's all text based, so there's overaginally there was
no voices or whatever, so it's just like reading a book.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Basically, but you get to make all these.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Adventures and he wants to be a pirate and so
it's hysterical, like the sense of humor and the choices
and the puzzles and.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I mean like I played this like four times when
I was a kid.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Anyway, the Lucas, so I was always obsessed with them
as a company even when.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
They were because I know, you were huge in The
Wolf and now that was that was you introduced me
to that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that was a whole other company.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
No there there games were like you would ever die
in their games, you know, it was like you would
just get stuck because you had to figure out the puzzles.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
They were just really well thought out, character based, well
written games. And that was what kind of got me
into Lucas in that roll between Star Wars movie, you know,
because when you think about it, they weren't.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Making anything when we were actually teenagers.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
It wasn't until the Special Edition came out in ninety seven. Yeah,
there's no Star Wars film making anything, and ILM was
doing everything right.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
They were doing facts, but but Lucas was doing anything. Ok. Yeah,
so anyway, it was a great tour.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
I felt a little bad because I was pointing out
stuff to her, like no, that's actually from this, or
this is from that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, you want to.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Do the door We'll say is that it was. It
was a great tour for us to see the stuff.
But it's not like when you go on a tour
of something at Disneyland and the guides have like a
twenty year history on all the things and they know
exactly where everything is and they've got special facts about stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
She's like, one of these is original. I don't know
which one it is.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I think this was from and I was like Galaxy Quest.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
She's like right, right, yeah, I know. She really did
actually want you to take over the tour.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
That's why I felt kind of like a jerk because
I was like, you, Okay, that's not what this is from.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So well, you weren't being a jerk at all, but
you you did seem like a fan, which is great.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm a total fan. I love Star Wars, anything fantasy basic.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The really cool thing was that for me, of course,
because I like to shop there was two stores, two stores.
Where are the things you could buy in those stores?
You could only get in those stores.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's how they get That's how they get you.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So I bought.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You know, Jensen loves hats and he's really particular about
his hats.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I was looking.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I was like, do I get him a Lucasfilm hat?
Because I like corduroy hats. They had corduroy hats of
Lucasfilm and ILM, and so I was like, Oh, what
do I get? And I'm asking Writer, do you think
he'd prefer il M? There's no service in there, so
I can't ask Jensen, do you think he'd prefer IOLM
or Lucas? Always like, I think he'd like, I think
he'd prefer ILM. And then Writer goes around a corner
and he goes, Danielle come here, and he calls me
over and they have a Howard the Duck, a Willow
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and two different Indiana Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Hat Temple of Doom and Last Crusade old school style.
Have you what Temple of Doom and Last Years?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Maybe they were sold out? Maybe yeah, they may have
been sold out, But have you talked to yet?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I sent him a picture of it. Yeah, Howard the Duck,
Howard the Ducks lost his mind.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yes, I will wear that's like the most obscure.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Have you seen Howard the Duck recently?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
No, I've heard. It's like not as bad as you've
never seen Howard.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
When I was a kid, I was so confused, so
disturbingly weird.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And that's what I mean. He like pulls out a
condom out of.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Naked there's duck boobs and like the first.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Exactly like the movie, the main bad guy turns he's
a human, but then he really he turns into an
alien and his tongue comes out and it's.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Like trying to like get them with his.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's like so bizarre. It's great.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
It's weird and wonderful, and the stories behind how it
was made are It's terrified.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Basically the only movie that George Lucas like executive produced
between like the Indiana Johnson Space and it's like, I
guess maybe with some kind of family friend or favor.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
It was considered one of the biggest, like one of
the worst movies of all time, and it's not it's
really really good. It's it's what's his name from shawsh
ankrademn it's Tim Robbins is one of the Tim Robbins
and uh Leah Thompson.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Thompson, she's like the love interest for the love interest
whose she falls in love with the duck. She has
sex with the duck.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh, she's a human in it.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
She actually have sex with the duck. I just remember
at the end there is That's how I learned what
a condom was.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I was like, why does he have that in his wallet?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
My Mom's like, well, okay, heard about duck penises?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like that would be a terrible Have you heard about
duck penises?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
About duck penises?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No, why would we know about duck penis.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Duck penises are all like corkscrew crazy shapes.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
It's like, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A crazy interest. Everybody's penis like that. Sure, well, did
somebody tell me something?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Google duck penises and thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It is a labyrinth And what did you know about this?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
I think a radio lab episode.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, yeah, duck penis dot com.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Unintrucatized ever since I saw Howard the Duck trying to
figure out that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Seriously, watch it. Do not think it's a kid's film.
Do not watch it with the kids.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I would have. I totally thought I was my family.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Who said that you start on a world that is
Earth in the eighties, but it's all ducks. Like there,
he's he's smoking a cigar, he's reading play Duck.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So he opens it up and there's like a naked duck.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
He learns so much from this movie, seriously, and it
was I was way too And then he gets shot
here and he gets picked up by Leah Thompson who's
the lead singer of an up and coming like punk
girl's punk band, and he it's through Shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
You should see what happened how Duck. It's one of
the most famous films ever.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, they also had that Inner Space, which I recently
watched in sports movie.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Another like bonkers movie.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It was like they were both of that era of
just like everybody was on cocaine, so like it was like, well,
the movie could also be this, and the movie could
also be this.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And the movie and it's like by the end, you're like.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
That, what was that?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The Inner Space starts with like the greatest concept ever,
which is brilliant. Scientists are trying to inject a rabbit
with a little mini human who's gonna like go through
the rabbit system to like you know, from Metal Science,
and accidentally gets injected into Martin short, it's a checkout
guy and like, okay, so it's just he's stuck inside
a human beings. He's got a figures. But no, then
they're suddenly miniaturized people chasing them around.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
There's a whole international it's so ubsurd.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
So the dangers of doing cocaine in the eighties and
making movies it's marvelous.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
A life less.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, let's talk about the dangers of doing a podcast
on cocaine.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I'm Daniel, Welcome to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I'm Daniel Fishal, I'm right strong, and I'm will for
I'm kidding on cocaine. I know.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, you're right. That's why we're not exactly that's it's
the time. That's exactly right. Well, while here in San
Francisco for a Pod Meets World live show, we expected
(08:54):
a hot audience filled with nineties officionados well versed in
our podcast and our TI TV show from thirty plus
years ago. But what we weren't expecting was to also
record a new episode with an actor who just might
be the most sneaky legend of the era, involved in
project after project that helped define the decade. You most
(09:18):
likely first saw her in the groundbreaking comedy Clueless, alongside
Alicia Silverstone, Britney Murphy, Paul Rudd, and iconic outfits that
have since withstood the test of time, unlike say, the
four Layers of T shirts and Morgan footy pajamas you
saw on Boy Mean's show. Or you may know her
from Sabrina the Teenage Witch, playing a roommate of the
(09:40):
Witch herself for seasons five through seven alongside Melissa Joan Hart,
Salimuonfry and a talking cat. Or you know her from
Blossom Night at the Roxbury, Beverly Hills nine O two
one zero, the in sync video for Thinking of You.
If you were putting together a time capsule for the nineties,
well you just might want to throw this woman in
(10:01):
with sufficient food and water and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, this week you alive.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We are talking to the real San Francisco treat Ready
to talk about all these decade defining projects, Please welcome
to pod Meats World. Alisa Donovan first, because we made
Silently for.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
I feel like I really just a lot of things.
I never saw it, but I do remember being freely disturbing.
Thats why I didn't watch it. But hold on, I
if you think that I am not going to take
what was the legend.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Scond?
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Do you think I'm not going to put that on
the back of my car? Are definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
License plate?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
N K I L G. I like sneaky Legends.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I'm going with it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Listen, make a T shirt, put your face on it.
We'll do it for you. I'll send it to you. Please, please,
thank you so much for being here with us, see
all of you. You are officially our first road trip guest.
Oh we've never on the road for Pod Meets World.
We've never Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We've had guests on stage, but we've never an episode. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Correct, I'm an innovator, you know. Yes, sneaky legends.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, that is what you live up here in the city.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I do.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yes, you've been up here.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
A lot of years. Thirteen so my daughter, no fourteen,
my daughter's thirteen. So I moved up here when my
now husband and I met, I was living in LA
We went back and forth for a year and a half.
You lived here, and yeah, so fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Wow, is crazy.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Because I was, you know, La is the longest I've
lived anywhere. Yeah, twenty four issuers or something, and I
just felt like nothing is even like like longer than
I lived in New York, where I grew up. And
now I'm saying, oh, fourteen is also quite extensive.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
What's it like being an actor up here in San Francisco?
Are you?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
It's like, I'm not an actor here really? And then
I go to La or wherever. I worked in Kentucky
and Alabama this year, so so it was really nice. Actually,
I feel like this is sort of you know, I
get to be my a family person. Yeah, I get
to have my normal life and do some things work related.
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I shot something here once. I was like, oh, this
is so nice. I can just like get up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And go down the street.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
Yeah, but that's this weird.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Probably have a lot of friends who aren't in the industry.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
None of my friends are in the industry. So cool,
I will say. When I first moved here, I was like,
this is Heavenly. Tell me about your job in tech. Oh,
you're thank you Tell me about that bank, you know.
I was like fascinated that everybody after a few years,
I'm like, God, you people are really boring. Any of
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you create anything, you know, So it really does I
totally identify, and I with that feeling of just needing
to be out of that, and now I'm like, where
are my weird people? Where are my creative people? Yes,
and we have an amazing community, like we have wonderful friends,
you know, but it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
We have had quite a few guests on the show
who have had amazing first jobs, but I'm not sure
anyone is able to top having Clueless as their first job.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Do you remember your audition?
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (13:56):
I definitely do, Yes, what was happening? So my very
first job was Blossom, Yes, and I had just moved
from New York, and they hired me for one episode
and I played Joey's girlfriend. But we had great chemistry.
So then they wrote me back into the exactly and
(14:21):
that was my first experience of you know, people being
absolutely over the moon over someone, like the fans of
that show of Joey.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It was like crazy, yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
So they we had great chemistry, so they wrote me
back into the show, and then I auditioned for Clueless,
and then I had to not go back to blossom,
but which I felt like this stuff never happens, and
you know, anyway, so the audition I do remember, you know,
I had a first read for Marsha Ross and her
office in the valley, and then I read again for
(14:54):
Marcia and I think Twink maybe you know, it was
the thing I went I read so many times and
which was good in this sense of, you know, you
become more familiar and comfortable with the material. But then
the closer, the final audition was in Scott Ruden's office
at Paramount, and it was the first time I had
been on that lot. And that lot is really like,
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you know, old Hollywood and super kind of special history.
There's a history, and I was petrified. I mean, I
remember what I was wearing. And I went into his
office and it was Amy and Twink and Scott and
he's very scary. Really in my memory, it was like
a very dark office, which I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Sure is not true.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
I'm fairly certain that is an inaccurate memory. But and
he was very intimidating. And Amy and Twink were so sweet.
They're the most like. Amy is so disarmingly approachable, like
and normal. She's like a normal in the best way.
In terms of, you know, she's a human being, that
she's incredibly smart and she has no.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right to be that normal with how talented she is.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Correct, because she's so talented that she's Yes.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I remember reading that script and it was it was
one of those things where it was whispered around town.
It was like everybody who knew that project knew it
was going to be huge, but kept it tight lipped. Wow.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So I remember getting the script and being like, I
just want to read for the something in this because this.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
No I never never to me, but I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
I think they sent it to me for Alicia Silverstone's boyfriend,
the one who trying to be gay.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I was young or something like that, and they.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
So I I think I still have it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I remember thinking, I.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Remember, you know, I was in college at the time
and I had just read I mean nineteenth century English
novel major like that was like one of my main foocuses.
So Emma. I was like a huge Jane Austen fan.
So when I read it, I'm one of the only
people that was like, I feel like this is based
on Emma. And I was like reading all these books
(16:57):
in my trailer and everyone else is like no else
was doing that. You did a real deep character dive,
very deep character dive.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So, okay, I have a question about what because you
said you remember what you were wearing?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Did you wear this?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Do you guys remember the story that you should always
wear the same outfit as like your first did you?
We did every time time, because if you go in
for your first audition and they like you, you assume
well they liked everything about it, So you wear the
same outfit again unless they tell you to change.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Do you also self tape in the same outfit?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I have no idea, knowing that that's what I was
supposed to do, and yet feeling the need to explain.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Like I wore this because I was told to have.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
In my head thinking they're going to think, lady, change
your cl this is my outfit. Yet really, so what
was your outfit?
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Was Bessie Johnson? Okay, a black like silk sort of
capsleeved top. It was very fitted and a skirt that
had some kind of a print. It was like one
of her It had like people on it or something.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It was Johnson black. It was it was colorful, and
full of personality.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
I can't remember what shoes.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
I was super important.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's really nice that you were patriotic.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
I'm very patriotic. Nothing if not a patriot. I don't
remember the shoes, So okay, I was wearing well.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Clueless turns thirty this year, and as everyone knows, you
play Amber shares over the top valley girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
But being from New York, how did you nail Valley
girls so well?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
So I based that character on girls that I went
to junior high in high school with. We're not very nice.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
To me, right girls girls the.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
Best feeling in the world, the best revenge in the world.
But I, I don't know. I was like super geeky
and into like research, so I, you know, drove around
Beverly Hills in my broken down car that I prayed
every day I would get to where I was going,
you know, and I've said, Okay, this is Amber's house,
(19:17):
like this is what you know, where she would live,
and I just sort of like would walk around there
and kind of listen to people and talk to people
and try to really like own it. But I do
think there is a you know, one of the reasons
that the film has stood the test of time is
that it's so specific to that group of people in
(19:40):
that specific place, but within that is the universal. Right,
Like these relationships and dynamics in high school, they don't
really change that much, and so you can kind of
put it into any other environment and kind of tweak
the the details, but the relationships, you know, are pretty
pretty standard.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I remember, like, I mean, we used to do valid
girl talk on the playground, like.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It was it was a trope, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It was like that was like a character, like when
you think about fast Times really sort of made it popular,
but like there were a lot of movies and TV
shows value everybody talked like that. And I remember having
that realization like when I don't know, ten fifteen years ago,
the way to sort of like diminish young women.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Was to talk about vocal fry.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And it's like like we had these like consistent ways
of like undermining the way like vapid girls talk. It's
like we find whatever that vocal tick is and it
becomes popular to make fun of or like do as
a character.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, it's not just diminish young girls with stuff like that.
It's also talk about women's tone it's policing women based
on voice and and how how you present and how
you A little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Right now, it's a little down a little bit. She's
a strat exactly. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
She just just talks a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Bossy, just hit yeah, I have to I have to
turn it off when she starts talking. Well, all of
you had such great chemistry. Were you just paired up
on the first day of shooting or did you get
to hang out before?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
So some people had tests with each other before they
were to chemistry reads. But I think for Amber because
she was never like she just is sort of on
her own tear. So I met everybody at the hair
and makeup test, which we I mean, I can't remember exactly,
but I feel like all contracts were like it was
(21:44):
done done. But that was when I met everybody. And
that was also when they I had like long hair
sort of, I mean, no one has as gorgeous of
hair as you, but like that like full long hair,
and they cut this that severe short bang and gave
me a bob on that day. And I know Paskowitz
(22:07):
who was amazed. She's incredible. Like every department on that
film was like a magical top notch where I felt like, oh,
this is what it is to make movies. Yeah, so great,
women run everything, they hire all the right people. Everybody's nice,
everyone's excellent at their job, you know. But she, Nina
was the key hairdresser. She was like, are you game
(22:30):
for this? And I said yeah, definitely, And they just
hacked it. And I went into my agent's office afterwards
and they were like can we help you? Like who
was you know? And I was like hi, and they went,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Did they show you a photo before to say like
this is what we're going to do?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:49):
She well she said I want to do a really
heavy bang and then just you know, so that she
was different what it was it was, but it also
just helped. This was like why it was so magical. Also,
every piece helped the character. Right, the wardrobe is the
part of it. It's like it's a gift for an actor, right,
you get all that stuff. It just helps to inform.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Also, what a fun change that you probably never would yourself.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
You never would have like been you know what I
should do? But like now you exactly get to It
was amazing. And then it made everything more versatile you
could do. You could put pieces in my hair, you
could do all sorts of other things that they wound up,
you know, doing that is it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That is just so cool.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, we had one one guest star slash co star
in common with the late great Britney Murphy. She was
on two episodes of Boy Meets She was. Yeah, she
played to Penga's best friend Trainy.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Right after you guys film I think.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The next I don't think it evens it even come out,
come out?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Did you guys shoot over the summer of the spring
we shot? I believe we shot from November to like February.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, so it would have been the next The next
was the beginning of our second season. She came into two.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It was for two. She did two. I think she
was so cool.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
It's really like I get emotional thinking about her because
you know, we've done so Alicia and I are like,
everybody's like, how does it feel for the thirtieth anniversary.
We're like, well, sort of like the eleventh, and then
the fourteenth and then the twenty third, and it was
like everybody kind of although it does feel different this year,
but every time, I just you know, she should be
(24:39):
doing these things she should be here. You know, it's
really hard and really odd and because you know, especially
for me, because I feel like I have filled this
spot that should be hers in doing a lot of
the press, like I am asked to speak a lot
more than perhaps I will be. I mean, I don't
(25:01):
know if that's true or not.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But that's how I could feel your mind.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah, And I just like she was so special and
so she had this way of making you feel like
she was elated to see.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You every time.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yes, and so talented, and it just like it breaks
my heart. I wish that she was taking care of better. Yeah,
that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Definitely.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
I could talk about this for a long time and
I won't, but yeah, I feel like there's a lot
to be learned there, and I just wish that she had,
you know, better people looking after her.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It comes up in our in our conversations a lot
with people, just the idea of like.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Who is protecting you?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yes, and for so many.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
People yes, because you all were so I mean, I'm
sure I've talked about this as kids, but you guys
were so young.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, and you were older than I was older.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
I was twenty two when we were twenty one, she was.
She was the youngest of all of us. I feel
I want to say she was sixteen, but something something
around there.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Her mom was still on sie.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Because her mom was still yet really closely, I think
even if she was, she still would have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I think definitely they were.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Just so they were in a loving way, codependent.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
They were inseparable, but I have Okay, So Clueless is
also famous for having a pretty big.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I guess split in the audience.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Kind of the controversy of how did you feel about
Alicia Silverstone's character ending up with essentially her brother.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yea, you see, some people are like, it didn't bother
me at all, or I saw.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
The person, I was like, that's what's happening.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
So I at the time, I didn't really I didn't.
I didn't think anything of it, okay, and then over
time I went, oh, that is a little strange, and
then some people went crazy. And then Amy just was
asked this when we were at the Academy there was
a screening, and she was like, it doesn't matter, Like,
what are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Who cares?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
It's not really they didn't live together, Like come on,
you know, it's just like move on. I'm like, all right,
just move on.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I love that. I love that well, similar to Boy
Meets World.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
A lot of our generation have an incredibly close connection
to Clueless, and you appeared at nineties Con recently with Alicia.
What do you think has kept this movie so relevant
in pop culture over the years.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
I mean, it's sure similarly similarly to you all, it's
like you can't you sort of can't talk about how
it is to not like you don't you know nothing else, right,
It's like it's a part of your life. There's no
way it's just embedded in your life. So when I
try to think about why, I just think it's one
(27:51):
of these things where it's it's beautifully crafted, it's incredibly
well written, it's perfectly cast, every department was operating at
the highest level. And I think it's really it's good spirited,
like these as. Uh, there's something that is so warm
and light about it that and it's approachable, and I
(28:15):
just think, and it's nice to look at, you know,
it's kind of all of the things. But I do
think it's kind of what I said before that it's
so it's timeless and the relationships and that period of
life in high school. It's so hard. It's just not
an easy time. And I think the fact that there
(28:36):
are so there were so many groundbreaking things in that
a black and a white woman in the leads of
a film, same socioeconomic backgrounds, totally equal. Oh you have
a gay friend also great. Oh somebody's drug addict is
going to get sober. Great, you know, like all of
these things like.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Such, yes, no, But it's also it's one of those
things where it it's one of those films that also
perfectly encapsulates its decade. So I mean it just the
Clueless represents the nineties, like Breakfast Club or Fast Times
(29:14):
represents the eighties.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
I mean that just like makes me so happy.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Are those films that it's like, oh, what's what was
the decade?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Like put in this one movie.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
And it's like that's the day, yeah, right, And that
was what That's one of the things that Amy Heckling
did so well is that she was kind of so
of the time wherever she was so present in the
moment she was that she was like, I can write
something that will show this entire decade in ninety minutes yep.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
And that's what Clueless seems to be for the nineties.
It's just like that, this is it, Here's here's the nineties.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
It's actually more layered than like the Breakfast Club. I
think that. I think it's way more self conscious about it.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I don't think it's more layered than Fast Times, though,
I think Fast Times and Clueless are more are kind
of on par with each.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Other, with the different exactly, but yeah, yeah, I feel
like they're able to capture the time. Will also be
somewhat like out of it, like comment, I feel like
he was writing in it, like he was like, this
is the way teenagers are, and like those movies are
sort of more actually of the time, whereas I feel
like Clueless is so smart.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I mean it's so layered interesting. I never thought about
that way on the thing, so.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It Yeah, it seem I think it's so smart, amazing,
it makes it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, it elevates it, I think.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
From I never thought about it that way with I
think that's exactly right, true, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
That's like that's what when it comes from Jane Austen
is coming from some of the best source material.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
He has ever been so brilliant to do that, right, Yes.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Absolutely, yeah, truly amazing I mean those are those are
iconic literary characters that they're timeless, I mean, truly time.
But then to take it and wrap it in a
decade like the nineties is just it's smart, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, you mentioned it was a movie that's good looking
to watch, so I want to. I mean, obviously the wardrobe,
the hair, of the makeup, but also you have yourself, Alicia, Brittany,
Stacy Dash, Paul Red, Donald, face On, Breckenmeyer, Jeremy Sisto,
a very good looking young cast.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Did any romantic sparks fly on the side? Oh, I mean,
not that I'm aware, Okay, not that you know of.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I was like so nervous the whole time. I think
that Alicia had a boyfriend who was older. I forget
his name. We should all we should all forget him.
I think, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
We don't remember his name.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
He doesn't need to be mentioned. Yeah, but Stacy might
have been married at the time. Maybe I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
The oldest in the cast, right, she was the oldest.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Yes, and Brittany was the youngest. And Donald, Oh gosh,
I love Donald. You know, he's like everyone's favorite person.
We had so much fun, so I don't. I don't not,
okay that you know?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Well, so much of the fashion in the
movie has taken on a life of its own even
decades later. What was it like being fitted for all
of that stuff?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
It was?
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Is there more of your question?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Did it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
The moment?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
It was extensive? You know, I don't know how you
guys feel, but warde of fittings are like my worst nightmare.
But that was my first experience of a long and
I went, oh, this is this is actually meaningful? Like
it was super fun because it was so creative, and
it was always like, again, such a part of the character.
(32:23):
So even though they were really lengthy, it was like
creating the character and this thing of like Amber cares
deeply about everything, so every little detail matters, and you know,
I'd even be like running to set and they'd be
like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, like take this and
stick it in your hair or put this in your shoe,
you know, like something that was always adding to it,
and we would just laugh, like it was. It was
(32:46):
so fun.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, the fashion was one of the characters.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Definitely, definitely, definitely amazing. Yeah, And each character had kind
of their specific flair, you know, and Amber. We would
always say it was the one that you know would
fly to fashion week on the weekend and then bring
it back to English class. But like add a little
more to it. You know, she like less is more.
She's like more is more is better than more.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
But it's even the little things that that were written in,
like the father just saying where's my collarless shirt?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
From Fred Siegel? You just need that one line to
know that he was fashion conscious too. That's all you need.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
It's like that's where it came from. He just needed
that one line and you knew that he was all
about clothes too. It was in the family. It was
so cool.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well then shortly after you would become a part of
the t G I F Family with the Clueless TV show.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
That's right, Oh, she almost forgot.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
We ever crosspaths doing promos.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
I we must have, right.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I came to set at some point. I forget why.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I don't know who I was, no cluel like I remember,
I don't know who was there. Like for some reason,
I remember walking and like you guys like you had
because you had like a hallway or what.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I I don't know why I was there. I must
have been with you or somebody else. I didn't go,
but I remember being.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like, oh, this is Clueless like the movie, and we're
on the show, and I wonder if this is going.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
To be Is that what I want?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yess what it was we did promos.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
That show was like I think about this, Melissa and
I laugh about this, or I told her and then
she was laughing that we you know, the first season,
it was like we were on the side of a bus.
You know, there's Melissa and then we the three of us,
us three girl like or were there three of us? Yes,
so Stacey, Rachel and I on the side of the
bus like our big heads, you know, and we were thinking, oh,
(34:31):
here's this show about like the talking cat, Like what
a joke? And then Sabrina becomes eight huge hits.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Clueless is like, oh, I can't quite find its.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Legs, you know. Like we were picked up for the
whole season, which was unheard of at the time. Yeah,
before we even started twenty two episodes. And then they
were like the network very quickly like was this a mistake?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Should we you know?
Speaker 7 (34:57):
And then we wound up going to the other not
the UPN and then the WB no UPN. I think
and then Sabrina went to the WB I forget Now,
So we found up only doing one season on ABC,
which is why it was a little to I know
that was the thing.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
And but the show did run for three seasons. It did, yes,
as a group of actors who tried to recreate some
magic on TV.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Did it did it ever feel the same or did
it feel different for you guys?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
So I think it felt different for sure. But for
me and for my character, she was so much. She
was such a bigger part of this show. So it
was really fun for me because I got to really
work with everybody, you know. And then they put they
would sort of write these capers for Donald and Sean
and I and where they were sort of like Amber's lackeys,
(35:53):
you know, we would like go in these adventures. I
would make them do things, and it was just really
fun in that regard. So we did a bunch of
episodes that I loved. We did like a the Tarantino movie. Yes,
we did a like a sort of version of that
that was hilarious and so many really funny things. But it,
(36:18):
you know, we kind of when it went to UPN
it was better in the sense of freedom. We have
more freedom and it could be a little bit older,
but you know, it just didn't really find its place.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
But that one season of Clueless on ABC was not
your only fora into the TJIF lineup, because our listeners
will also know you as Morgan Kavanaugh on seasons five
through seven of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. What was it
like joining a show that was already set in its
little successful routine.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
That was bizarre because we also my fifth episode was
their one hundredth episode. Wow, so there was all of
this like a big cake. They're like, how does it
feel to be one hundred?
Speaker 6 (37:00):
You know?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
I was like, well, like, you know, and so it
was bizarre, like you're just stepping into something that's already
a well oiled machine. But they also were, you know,
at a certain point, you they it's hard because you
have to grow up, right like you guys known and
then it's like what you do with that? So bringing
her into college and Melissa is like, just she's such
(37:23):
a pro and she's so the word.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They're close old girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
You know, she's so easy, like a total pro and
a super easy person to work with. So it was
really it was very fun.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And season five also added Sleigh Moonfry, a former Podmeets
World guest, as well.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So there you are playing a roommate of Melissa and
Punky Brewster. It's kind of a tall TV.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Right.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
When I think about this stuff, I think, oh, whoa,
I guess yeah, I sort of did have done like
a lot of things with people who have stood the
test of time.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean a sneaky legend legend, bring it back, you
known legends.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
That's my show, Amy Sugarman. That's what it is, sneaky
legends legend. It's done.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We also had Nate Richard on the show recently, and
he had such an odd trajectory on the show, returning
to the show in season six after being left out
of the retooling, and he went from dating Sabrina to
dating you.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Do you remember any of that dating transmission?
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I know, except that my I this is also a
sort of thing that seems to happen with a lot
of my characters. I date everyone, okay nine O two
and oh it was the same thing like I slept
with Jason, I slept with Brian. I was like dating
on and you know Ian and so the same Morgan.
I dated Dan last Yer's character, and then I dated Harvey,
(39:04):
and then one of like Hanson came to them. Hanson.
Remember I was older than all these people like always
playing younger.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
So I was a.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Little bit like, this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Okay, okay, all right, let's just do this quickly, you.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Know, like I'm telling you. Hearing her say that is
exactly why my.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Mom didn't let me watch nine O two one. Oh yes,
it's the only show that she mentioned. She was like, yeah,
you know, I can't made out with Harvey, made up okay,
and then on night I was like sleeping with Jason, sleeping.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
The very first shot of me in that show is
the opening of this season, and I like roll over
in bed with Jason.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Everything like that. That character was whoa, I really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Did she have a good time? Did you were you
in Melrose Place at all?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, I was curious if they just started just keep going.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
I also stole things as that character. I like, I think,
I feel like I stold people's rolex and some other things.
I smoked pot, but you couldn't, like, you couldn't show it,
so like I had was holding a joint over here,
but you couldn't put it to your mouth.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
They were like all these you could just be holding.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Out a lot of pot just like this.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
In their life before doing am smoking, doing the grass,
doing grass.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Oh my god, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well t G I f Also wasn't the only commonality
we had. I know, we also found our history hanging
around the Instinct guys in the late boy Band nineties.
You appear in the Thinking of You I Drive Myself
Crazy music.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Video, another fandom of the nineties.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
She's a part of it.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
I mean, I know, I know. How did I not
do boy MutS World? I wasn't invited.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I know that's a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So how did you meet the Instinct guys and what
do you share about your experiences with them.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Today?
Speaker 7 (41:24):
I share it all? Okay, great, For many years I
did not. So they did an episode of Clueless and
I feel like it was close to the end of
the show and they again, this is me. I'm this
is also a part of my story. How anything that
I sort of like make fun of or have something
to say about, ie, oh, the Talking Cat Show really
(41:48):
with InSync that you know the studio said, this is
a really big deal, like these guys are coming on
and I was.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Just like.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
These like little boys, like what like boy? I was
literally making fun of them before they got to set.
I was like, I'm going to request dirty print songs
for them to sing. Then of course they show up.
They're super professional, They're really kind, incredibly talented and incredibly talented,
and I was like, oh, I'm the I am definitely
(42:16):
the jerky.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Let's go, let's make out.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
So that's how I met them, and then we started
hanging out like I would go out with them. Yep,
Joey and I started dating. That was like under the
under the under the radar. Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Stop trying to steal my story, but I would like
I remember and that, oh my god, going to see
one of their concerts.
Speaker 7 (42:53):
I also I was like I was on their tour
bus for a couple of days, Like what was I doing?
But I like flew to Florida or something. I don't know,
but I remust.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I mean, I know we were on the bus at
the same time for the for the shoot, But did
we go on tour together too?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Because I went on tour many times?
Speaker 9 (43:07):
You did?
Speaker 7 (43:07):
You were so I can't remember. I feel like you.
We had a crossover maybe of like a day or two,
and then I like, and you left, and I because
I remember feeling like, oh, Danielle's here, and then it
was like, oh, or now it's just me, and now
this feels weird. I don't know, I want, but I
remember going to the show at the Staples Center or
(43:30):
some something in LA like one of the big venus
for him. And I got out of you know, Joeys
like come, you know, a couple hours early or whatever.
So I get out of the car and I am
swarmed as if I am one of the Beatles, you know.
And they were just like she's going to say that
(43:50):
you And I was like, oh my god, yeah, and
I went inside. I was like, this is insane. How
like that that level of it's just it's wild, you know,
And that age is like that, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
year old girls, like there's just like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
And saw that with them, I mean you also saw
that with Joey so Y's They were see some of
the most crazy fandoms of all time.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I mean that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I remember we left the we left the Jay Leno
show once it was uh and Sarah friend and Tara
Sarah drove me, Justin and Lance out and she had
a she had a big old convertible.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yes, and they could see, you know, they could.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
See them just sitting in the car and literally it
was and running after the convertible and it was like crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I remember just looking back and being like, oh, I'm
I'm living one of.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Those clips I've seen of what Beatlemania was, Like, I mean,
how did do you remember going to what was the
name of that place?
Speaker 7 (44:51):
I had an Irish name. It was upstairs Dublin Doublin's.
Yeah about Dublins, Yeah, somebody did Dublin's. And like, Dan,
when I think about that now, I'm like, how did
we go dancing there? Just like, you know, out dancing
totally normal Justin and Chris and Joey, Like, how did
we do that? I know without?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I guess outside it was crazy to do it all
over the place.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Like there were times that I would be on tour
and Justin would call and go, hey, do you guys
to Lance, do you do you guys want to go dancing?
And I should have thought it was odd when Lance
would be like, well I don't, but Danielle, do you
want to go dancing, and then Justin and I would
go dancing, and then I'd be like, are we supposed
to be doing this?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Wait?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Didn't we? Did you come to my house to watch Clue?
You know, Clue is one of my favorite movies of
all time, as it is Lance's as well.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Oh my god, it's also my husband. This is like, oh,
my husband is obsessed with Clue.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
I desperately want to remake this film. I know that
they're already doing it, but I don't care. I'll do
it better. I need to be in this movie. But
so we read this is back in the day of
like you know, vhs HS thank you, and I rented
it from my I lived in uh Bronson Canyon at
the time, the little place down on the corner of
(46:05):
Franklin and I we watched it.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I thought that you were there. I may I may
have been. I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 7 (46:11):
And but the thing is then I was like, no,
you guys can take it, because they were going to
take you. They were going back on tour and then
never brought it back. And like every time I went
to the video Star, they're like one hundred and fifty
dollars two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Bring to a different video star, like I just yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh my gosh, stolen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
My clue.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It was.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, I don't know if you remember when when did
we shoot? When did you guys shoot the video? The
music video?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
It must have been June or July. Yes, that sounds right,
because Lance had just broken up with me.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Were supposed to wait, but you were there.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
But I was just there, but I wasn't the girlfriend
thought you.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Weren't in it because you didn't want to meet. I
thought it was too on the nose that people then
would really know that you guys were dating.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Well people at this point, he had already told people
on jay Leno we were dating.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
So I just like it was at Merseach to be allowed.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I was the first girlfriend to kind of be allowed
to be talked about.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Respect.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
She's a girl.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
She's a girl, I promise where stress is super pretty
and so people knew. But he it was like right
after because he went to my prom and then he
broke up with me, but he still invited me to
the shoot, which was really we were still hanging.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Out and didn't know that that you guys. Did I
know that you because I feel like we didn't we
drive you home or something.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I probably cried. I was so sad. I think I
also brought him our prom pictures to that shoot, like,
here's your copies of your calm pictures. I'm sure you
want to do this.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And so yeah, I was like really sad.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
And then so we broke up in June of ninety nine,
June or July of ninety nine, and that New Year's Eve,
I went to Hawaii with them for it was still
sousing for a young lady, but I had very confused
so close to all of them.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
Yeah, it was still Lance, the only one EVENTS think
that you dated. Yeah, okay, of course what I do
think I remember because I'm a little older than you,
and everyone I remember going.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Lance doesn't.
Speaker 7 (48:35):
I'm unclear about what's going on here except me get it.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, But then I.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
Wondered, did you I've never actually asked Joey this? Did
he did? Did all the guys know? And did they
just agree not to say anything?
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Chris or did say that even regularly?
Speaker 9 (48:52):
Oh? He did?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Kristen just flat out say, do you know that your
boyfriend is gay?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (48:56):
Jeez, you totally see him saying that.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Actually, Lance was thin, and Lance would act put out
by it, and I would be.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Like, no, did Lance really know?
Speaker 4 (49:05):
At this point.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Lance internally did.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But truly, Lance, I mean, it's one of the sweetest
things anybody's ever said about me. But Lance was still
also very much of the belief that like he could
shake the gay away if he just met the right girl,
like if if I could just.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Be so.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
And then he said, like, truly our prom night where
it was very clear I thought one thing was going
to happen, or was really hoping something was going to happen,
and he wanted to watch The Green Mile, and he
realized I very romantic movie. He said that I couldn't
make it work with Danielle. I really wasn't going to
be able to.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Make it work with her.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
And I think that and so he knew he had
to wake up with me.
Speaker 7 (49:52):
It was clear that you two had a very sweet
like you had a real you loved each other very
that was very real.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yes, yes, we still care about each other. Yeah, going exactly,
we care about each other. I have one other project
of yours I need to talk to you about. I mean,
we could go on and on and on forever, but
I do need to ask you about Night at the Roxbury,
a movie that, in my opinion, does not get the
attention that it deserves.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
It was produced by.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Amy Heckerling, the director of Lewis and You Pay You Play,
cam by Chris Catan's girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
This must have been such a moment.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Oh my film.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
I have to say. We were shooting this series of
Clueless during the day, so days and Roxbury we shot
a lot of nights.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (50:33):
So there were there was like a week there where
I was twenty four hours. Oh they'd picked me up
from Paramount. But you know, you don't say no, right,
of course I have to do this, but I was
Looney Tunes exhausted. Which then those two Will and Chris
are like maybe two of the funniest people. I could
not well. I mean I wish that they would show
(50:54):
the outtakes from that film because every time it was
just like sometimes I would have to say, can you
guys turn around, like for my coverage, Like I couldn't
look at their faces because it was too much. Seriously,
I'm like, no, no, just go home, go home.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I can't be so hard.
Speaker 7 (51:12):
I mean I didn't no, So it wasn't like the
whole time, but there were there was like a week
and a half where then I like broke down. I
remember breaking down crying at Paramount shooting Clueless and like
this light scene, and I was like, are you guys
are just we just.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
I?
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Nancy and the director Linda Day. Did you guys ever
work with Linda Day? She was one of the only
female direct TV directors at the time. She was so dear.
She was like everybody's mom, and she was like, they're
working her too hard. You need to give her a break.
And I was like, well, don't give me too much
of a break.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
I want to do the job.
Speaker 7 (51:48):
I can handle it. But it was so that dance scene.
They wanted to give us some stand ins like dance
doubles and gg Rice and I and I mean Will
and too. We were like no, no, no, no, no way,
like we are doing it. Yeah, oh so fun. It's
like my dream. It was super fun.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I haven't said so one project I haven't seen.
Speaker 7 (52:09):
I just watched The Day.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I've seen the rest of the movie.
Speaker 7 (52:12):
Molly Shannon is in it.
Speaker 6 (52:16):
Yeah, I have to watch some of those SNL movies
that kind of slide under the radar a little bit
are some of my favorite things ever.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
So yeah, like Ladies Man is one of my favorite
movies of all time. So I've got to see Okay,
I'll see that.
Speaker 7 (52:28):
Roger Murray, Alright, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, I'm gonna make you choose, is my last question.
I'm going to make you choose.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Which are one of us to kill? It's going to
be a.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
God.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
I better get this right.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And of all of the incredible nineties projects you were
a part of, what would you say is the most fun?
Speaker 7 (52:55):
Oh? I I feel like every project had its moments,
but like, oh my gosh, I don't know, I really
I I mean, I almost want to say the dance
and the night of the Rossberry if I could do
a specific if you could pick a moment, a moment
(53:18):
that was really fun because I love dancing, Like I'm
the person that would leave parties and pretend like I
was going to bed and go salsa dancing, like keep
Salta shoes in the trunk of my car. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I gotta go, Yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
And then I get in my car, change my shoes
and my clothes and go to l Florida on Fountain
Fine yep, so like I to me, that was like
marrying all the things that you love.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (53:48):
Are the best? How fun? Does everybody just want to
come back all the time because so much?
Speaker 3 (53:53):
That's not true.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
To be clear, you're not welcome back. You are welcome anytime.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
So loved having you always. Great to see you.
Speaker 7 (54:06):
Thank you for taking time out of.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Your busy schedule to be with us on a Saturday
at nine am.
Speaker 7 (54:12):
Loved I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
Thanks for coming to San Francisco anytime. Anytime. We can
all be convinced to move, So do it.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails
pod meets World Show at gmail dot com and we've
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Speaker 2 (54:35):
As if merch.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Pod Meets Worldshow dot com will send us out.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
We love you all, pod dismissed.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
Pod Meets World is nheart podcast produce and hosted by
Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp
and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production Danielle Romo,
producer and editor, Tara Sudbaksh producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and
Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song
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