Leisha Hailey Meets World

In this Rider-less interview, rejected juror Will and foreman Danielle talk directly to the reason people still have the song “Shallow Boy” stuck in their heads almost 30 years later: actress Leisha Hailey. 
 
Hear the story of how she landed her first TV gig on Boy Meets World, driving by for one of the most memorable (if not THEE most memorable) guest appearances on the show. And how did she go from Lilith Fair to The L-Word? It’s all here, with a promise for a future live show surprise that will make an eventual audience FREAK OUT.
 
Plus, Will reveals a near fatal run-in with another legendary singer-songwriter on a legendary new episode of Pod Meets World!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, yeah, we did it. I know, we finally did it.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's finally happened. We've talked about this from the beginning, right,
and here we are.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
We just kept saying, gosh, it's it's almost a perfect podcast.
It's just one nagging thing that's stopping it from being perfect,
and that's right or Strong.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
So thankfully he's gone.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's gone.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
We didn't did it.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
We did it high by view. He squeezed him out.
Oh god, Oh it's about darn time.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh obviously we are joking. We are so going to
miss our dear friend writer Strong today. But he has
a very good reason for not being here. Should we
talk about jury duty?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
He has duty?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
He has jury duty.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Have you ever have you ever been a juror?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I have been an alternate once, but didn't make it
to the final like I got cut right before I
got to the Hollywood phase of.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Idol, exactly. You didn't get the golden ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, And this was when I was still keeping I
was trying to keep my uh Connecticut residency, like my
Connecticut uh resident. I know, what would it be called
my Connecticut status?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
My I was still a member of the state.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
What would I think, Well, it's not another country.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I know that's trying it. There's a word. I'm just
the words not working.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Buggie parking spot.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yes, So for years I kept my I voted absentee
out of Connecticut. I had a Connecticut driver's license, and
I would fly home for jury duty. Oh so I
flew to Connecticut and the first time I did that,
I was sitting there.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I made it all the way to vad Deer.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, which is you know when you go you go there,
they put you, you know, they put you in a
giant room and then they pick you and they separate
you to go into Then Okay, now you're in a
courtroom and if there's a case, they're going to essentially
audition you to be a and it's called wa Deer.
So the first thing that happened was they said, okay,
this is we can't say the name of the victim

(02:29):
out loud, so we've written it on a piece of paper.
If anybody, if anybody knows this person, please please speak
up and say that. You know, now, the guy next
to me, who's probably in his mid forties, is shaking
like a leaf, like I can tell he does not
want to be there. He just wants to get out
of this as fast as possible. The note hits his hand.
It's him, it's him, he said it was him. The

(02:49):
note hits his hand, he opens it up. He goes,
I know him, I know him known in my whole life.
And the judge's like, wait, really, he goes yep, no,
he goes, all right, I guess your excuse. Thanks boom,
and guy bails like as fat, like he left a
shaped hole in the door as he ran out of
the thing. So they get to me and they I
don't know the person. So they sit me up on

(03:09):
the stand and they bring in wait.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
They set you up on the stand.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes, So they bring us all one at a time
on the stand and the lawyers then get to question
you to see if you're going to be in I
did not have this experience.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Will really does things differently there, Okay, okay? Will They
bring you up onto the stand.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Up on the stand, and they start asking like you know,
could you you know where were you?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
The prosecutors like could you keep an open mind? Can
you do this? If I told that? I'm like, yes,
no problem.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And then the defendant's lawyer gets up and the defendants.
Lawyer is like twenty seven okay, and he's got a
suit on and he's got his clipboard and he says,
mister Fredell, I'd like to start by saying that my
niece and nephew and I are very big fans, and
I'm hoping I can get a photo with you later.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Now, would you be able to?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I was like, okay, I guess I just got
recognized on the stand.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And let me guess that's why you weren't picked.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Then I made their like we'll put you because they said,
do you is this something you'd want to do? And
I was like, yeah, I would love to kind of
sit on a jury. Yes, And so they said, well,
we'll pick you as an alternate. And so I got
them already. You know, my parents are in the court
system there, so you know they might judgment said, I
know you're.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Like, they're so proud of you made it.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Insure you made it. I don't care about your television shows.
You've made it.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So the judge is like, I know your parents. I
you know, I know I don't have to tell you
not to talk to anybody. You'll be fine. So I
get home that night and we all the jurors got
to call from the judge saying they settled the case,
we don't need you.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So I was like so close. And then I've been
called four.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Times in Los Angeles when I switched my residency right
I was looking for I was called four different times.
I've only had to go in once and I was
released the first day and the other three times you
just call in and they said I didn't have to
show up.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
So no, I've never actually been have you Have you
done it? Have you been on a jury?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I was on a jury and I was the foreman.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, well, first of all, of course you were. Of
course you were the foreman. Wow, you didn't even have
to tell me that. Of course you were the foreman.
What happened?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
So it was the first time I had ever been
called for jury duty. And I was like in my
mid twenties, and I got called and I called in.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
And actually, at the time, you didn't even call in.
You just had to go. You just had to show up.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Now you can at least call and they'll tell you
whether or not they need you to show up. So
I went and I you know, we went through a
similar process of the can you keep an open mind.
But it was done more like as a group, like
they asked us all individually, but we were sitting in
the jury box, okay, and so they just kind of
went down the line like can you do that, can
you do this? Can you and was like yes, yes, yes.
And there were a bunch of questions about we could

(05:57):
tell it was going to have something to do with insurance,
and it was like have you ever been in a
bad car accident? Have you ever been you know, injured
in an accident? Like there were so I could tell like, oh,
I know where this is going, where we're headed.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And then yeah, I got selected to be on the jury.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
And were you happy? Did you want to be on
the jury?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean at the time I was a little like, oh, wow,
I guess I'm really doing this, But yes, I was excited.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I was like, Wow, this is going to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I was looking at it like I went into
it thinking great, I'm going to just be I'm going
to watch how they do it.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I'm going to learn kind of the way I.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Sat and watched Bonnie work with David to figure out
how to be an actor. I was like, I'm going
to sit in this jury room and learn how to
be a juror by watching all these other people. And
a lot of the people in the jury room had
already been jurors. They were like, oh, yeah, I've been
doing this for a long time. And one guy at
the time that we had to select the foreman was like,
is this anybody's first time?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
And I was like, oh, no, fine, and he.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Was like, great, you should be the fore and then
you should do it because this is a great learning opportunity.
And I was like, this is exact opposite of what
I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I was thinking, I'm Manube, I should be just sitting
in the back. But I ended up being the foreman.
It was pretty great.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And yeah, we went to trial and we had to
decide a dollar amount there. It had been a woman
who was in a pretty severe car accident and she
was asking for insurance to cover physical therapy and other
types of treatment for her for the rest of her life.
But the caveat to that was that she had already

(07:36):
been in a previous accident where she had also been injured,
and so it was trying to decide like, is this
accident the reason the sole reason you need pet.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
For the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
So we ended up we ended up having to decide
on a dollar amount that we awarded her that was
supposed to then hopefully cover pt for if not the
rest of her life, for a very long period of time,
for the rest for life.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
But anyway, it was very interesting.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
So did anybody recognize you? Was anybody like, oh, my god,
topangas on my jury.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Not that I know of. No, nobody told me there.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I was the youngest person there by twenty years or something,
and uh yeah, and you know I was in my
mid twenties. So it was it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I actually super enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Uh, that's great. No, I've never been on the jury,
been on trial. It's never been on right of course.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well, we know you're a murderer.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Exactly, but actually acquitted, so a used murderer.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
How dare I do not confuse the two.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'd once again like to point out that that was
our best, easiest, funniest pre show chatter.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Every Yeah, no hang ups, nobody telling.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Hang ups, no telling why we're wrong or we're having
too much fun.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, correcting our grammar, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I did miss a Hume mentioned though, right, I don't
know what the philosophy of everything again?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But this is why we now will get words like
residency of kid because we don't have writer.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
They're going no grappling hooks. I don't know. I think.
Let's see, let's see how the rest of this episode goes.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
How many times can this one kid smelt metal? I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
All before the age of eighteen telling you it's a
logical question. He still never made me anything has made
Jemmy no unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Aggravated, but that he's been doing since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
So come on, Welcome to Pond meets World.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Wilfredell And that's it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
That's it, that's it. That's our show today.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Guys, oh man, miss all right, walk up to most
any nineties kid and utter the two words shallow boy
and watch as a wave of nostalgia, alongside a catchy
melody in some hysterical lyrics take over their entire being.
And as much as anyone on the daily cast and
crew of Boy Meets World would love to take credit

(10:00):
for the long lasting effect of this episode and character, CORNA.
Collins has had on a generation, we all know it's
mostly because of a guest star who stole every single
scene she was in. While it was somehow her first
TV gig ever, before the appearance, she was one half
of the Boy Meets World cast favorite pop duo The Murmurs,

(10:22):
who released several albums and was part of the legendary
nineties tour Lilith Fair. Our very own Alanis Morissett walked
onto the set and, with what we can only assume
is a sorcery reserved for guitar playing wizards, seemed to
be a seasoned and confident pro who with our Powell
will here made undeniable TV magic, and for good reason,

(10:44):
she's been one of the most requested guests for Pod
Meets World, not only from our listeners, but from US
hosts as well. She'd leave us in Chubbies and appear
on shows like Grey's Anatomy, Supernatural, Bosh, and Silicon Valley,
but it was her time as Alice on the ground
brink making show The L Word where she'd become an
LGBTQ icon, all for a role she'd later revisit on

(11:06):
the reboot L Word Generation Q And So now get
out your twenty dollars bills to donate and then rescind.
We are honored to welcome to Podmeates World a guest
star Hall of Famer, maybe the guest Star Hall of
Famer Leisha Haley.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Hi, Hi, I have one quick question right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yes, is there a painting of yourself somewhere in your
attic that's aging?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Because you're not.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Did you wrote yourself when you fell from heaven?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
An angel pickup line?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
She hasn't aged.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
I was a lot older than all of you when
I was on this show, so you know, I think
I've always been old, So I think that the perspective.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Is you're that much older than you.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No, there's no way that much older older than will No,
what's your birth year?

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Seventy one?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'm okay, seventy six. I'm forty seven.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah, okay, okay, too much, not too much. Look at
you guys just playing teenagers.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Look at us.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
I watched I watched the show last night because I
was really looking forward to because I haven't seen it
in the million years, and like thirty, right to be
exact about thirty, yeah, thirty. And one of my lines
I said I was eighteen, and I said, laughing, like wow.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I mean, the truth is, though you could still play
a teenager. I love hitting you really could glasses, perfect vision.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
We are so happy to see you. Thank you so
much for doing this. You one of our most requested guests,
not just from fans, you are one of the most
requested from.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Us as hosts. Really.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Yeah, Oh, I'm so glad this's happened.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
We've been looking forward to it from the time we
started the show, and we've talked about it a couple
of times. How Boy Meets World had some really great
guest stars over the seven years the show was on,
but there are a handful of just perfect drive by
guest star appearances, and you, I think are the number

(13:35):
one spot.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I don't disagree with that. Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
We were trying to think of.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, there's a couple up there that were really great,
but this is the one where, you know, convention stuff
like that, people talk about Shallo Boy and the songs
and all the kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Oh all the time.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
I mean, one of these conventions with you guys, because
I have to say, through the years, I've had a
really strange, exciting like I mean, I hate the word
blessed but like Blessed Life and I this show, I
had no idea what I was walking into when I
did it, and for the last thirty years, if somebody

(14:13):
stops me, I assume it's one thing, and then it's like, well,
I mean its worlds and it's just always makes me
laugh because it was one episode and I'm like, what, Oh, yeah,
you guys really have the greatest fans on the planet.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think we couldn't agree with you more. We have
talked about that as well. We do we can confirm,
and now we need you to confirm something. Oh okay
before we even go forward. Was this really your first
job on TV?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ever?

Speaker 6 (14:42):
It was my Yes, it was. And I had to
call my bandmate because I asked. I asked your producers
what year we did this, because I couldn't remember the
process of getting the job, and I realized you said
it was like August or September of nineteen ninety six,
and I had just moved to La like I must

(15:04):
have been there maybe three months. So everything in my
memory is the whole city was foreign to me. So
just like where what office was I in? Who called?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Who?

Speaker 6 (15:17):
Like how did I you know, how did the whole
thing happen, and I think I've figured it out. I had,
but to answer your question, that was a long way
of answering. I did an indie movie the year before
called All Over Me, and I had I was in
a band, the Murmurs, Yes, the Murmurs, and I had
bright pink hair, like hot pink hair for years, and

(15:40):
I had it in this movie. And iber one of
my memories is it might have been your showrunner. I
don't know who it was. I met. It was a
really nice man and I think he called after seeing
me in that movie and had me come in to
read for it, because I remember him saying like, oh,
I thought you had pink hair, and I just I
had just gotten rid of it when I moved to La.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, there was one of our producers I saw two
days ago. We just had dinner, and he remembers because
I told him you were coming on and he's like,
oh my god, that's so great. He remembers taking one
or two other producers and going and seeing you guys
perform live.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
You just solved it.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, he says he went to actually went to a show,
he said, because one of the things he remembers, and
we can cut this out if we want.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Is your bandmate fell off the stage?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
She Oh, my gosh, yeah, he said, it's like and
then she just fell off right off the stage.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
So do you know now exactly what show that is?

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Or my god? No, I feel like at the time
like that might have been happy, you know, Okay, this, wow,
this is hilarious. No, we were. Yeah, we had a
lot of fun on wait first to better her than Me.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
It was Jeff Sherman and Mark Blutman, the two of them,
and they think one other guy went. It might have
been Howard bust Gang, but they went actually went to
your show and saw the Murmurs perform and they he
was like, we knew right the second that's her.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
That's her obviously, So that's amazing. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Had you moved to LA partially to start auditioning? Were
you looking to be an actor?

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Well, I studied when I'm from Nebraska, and I moved
to New York to go to acting school. So that
was my big plan. I'd done it my whole life,
and I studied and I just thought that that was
going to be my career. And then my best friend
and I started a band in school. And when we graduated,
we were so broke and we're like, we ought to start.

(17:42):
Nobody was auditioning, nobody knew how to get an agent.
So we just started playing the subways and like every
street corner we could, Like I always had my guitar
on my back. We were a little acoustic duo and
we started playing all around the East Village and all
of it sudden, like two years in we got signed.
So I it was MCAA Records, and so all of

(18:06):
a sudden, I had this career, this music career I
had never planned on, and I kind of put acting
to the side. So that's why when this show came up,
like you guys were sort of my foray into like
getting back into it or starting at least.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, it is just so so had
you when you came to our show.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Had you ever heard of Boy Meets World?

Speaker 6 (18:29):
I had not heard of Boy. I think I just
was out of the age range, you know, because I
when I was watching it last night, I was I
literally was laughing. I was like, this is a really
well written show. It was funny.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
It's a funny show.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Well you were.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Funny, Oh thank you? I mean, well, you and I.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So we'll get into how you and I I thought
worked really well together. And I just remember getting along
that week because we were working on our scenes and
you were talking to me about music. But before we
get there, we have talked so many times about the
table read because the table read for that episode, we'd
never met you. We didn't know who was coming in,
and you brought your guitar and you sung every song

(19:12):
acoustic at the table read, and you were so cool
and so collected and calm and singing. So I'm curious
were you nervous at all? Because it did not come
off like you were nervous even the tiniest little bit.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was weird.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean, here's the thing. And maybe you guys identify
with this. When I was younger, I didn't. I didn't
have I wasn't nervous about a lot of things. I
was like very a risk taker, and I just threw
myself into situations all the time. And I think that
you know, to like to my benefit, like I didn't.

(19:49):
I don't know. It just worked. And so I think now,
like if you were to ask me to do that today,
I would die inside. I would find a million excuses I, Oh,
I haven't I need to practice or I need to
I don't know, Like I just had this thing back then.
So that makes a lot of sense to me that
I was if I if I didn't seem nervous, maybe

(20:10):
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Well, not only did you not seem nervous, but like
writer who's not here today because he got called in
for jury duty, writer remembered when we recapped your episode.
He remembered that the only thing that was in the
script were the words. It was just lyrics, and you
came to the table with your guitar and had basically

(20:31):
written all the songs, and his memory was at the
table read going, we already could shoot this show because
of her.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, so do you remember the process?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (20:44):
I remember getting uh yeah, the lyrics and sitting around
my house just because because you know, she had to
be very happy and like lighthearted, and yeah, I remember like, oh,
this is like just very acoustic, like I know how
to do. That was the edge of your one, the
one where I like because I laugh because I growled

(21:04):
because I don't sound edgy obviously my voice is very high.
But I thought that was the funny choice because we
probably I remember meeting a meeting up with a producer
and we recorded the songs that ended up being on
the radio. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
That's probably Jeff.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So Jeff Sherman wrote the episode and wrote the lyrics
because when I that's who I had dinner with the
other night, and he was like, please tell her that
essentially we wrote songs together, because yes, she wrote the
music and I wrote the lyrics.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yes, and uncle and dad are the Sherman brothers, the.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sherman brothers who wrote all the Disney music, wrote Mary
Poppins and all you know for what's.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, so Jeff Sherman's he comes from a very musical family,
like the famous Sherman brothers. No, it's just cool because
it makes sense that that was a Sherman episode and
that you being the talented musician and actor that you were,
that it was just it's literally a perfect storm.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah were it really was.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Look at that.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
I see, That's why I love life so awesome. Yeah, Okay,
so I went to his house and we recorded it.
Okay maybe, oh, I don't know for a studio.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was probably a studio. My guess is you probably
went to probably Ray cole Chords.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
It might have been with Jeff.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, that would be so rad.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Did all our music from He's passed since, but he
was a great guy who did all our music from
from Boy and everything from the theme songs to the
tiniest little jingle that you would hear, he was responsible
for in some way or another. So my guess is
music wise, yeah, you you and Jeff met up somewhere
and combined your talents because it was oh man, we
just but I'll never that's that table read. I think

(22:44):
there's two table reads in the entire series that stand
out for me, and it's that one and the one
the Fugitive when we had the earthquake right right, and
it was the day after the earthquake, and we had
the massive earthquake, and so that a.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Natural disease, remember from the show, and only one of.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You killed people, So that's a lot.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
I don't want that on my record.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, No, I know, we've talked you.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
We just mentioned that you don't have like too many
memories of exactly how it all came together. But do
you remember in any sense was there like a traditional audition.
Did you go to a building and like read lines
for someone?

Speaker 6 (23:29):
This is where so I was in a building, Okay,
I can't confirm, yes, and I was. I was in
an office with I believe Jeff who you were just mentioning,
because I remember, there's no way they didn't have me
read for it, even if they saw me play a mess,
so I must have read for it. And then we

(23:50):
started talking about music, because that's the part of the
conversation I remember. So maybe it just had to, like,
you know, confirm that I could read lines or something,
or that I could pull off I don't know, because
maybe he knew I could do the music part.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
But yeah, yeah, Well Michael Jacobs, our producer and show runner,
was also very big into music, so he was probably
involved in all that as well.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Absolutely, I wonder if she auditioned first and then Jeff
and Howard and Mark went to the.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Show the show. I wonder if that's how it happened.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
Yeah, that's the part I can't figure out. But I
know that they wouldn't have just there's no way I've
just been offered a part, you know, So somehow I
had to prove myself somewhere. Yeah, isn't that funny? Thirty
years just you guys have a really sharp memory. Oh no, no, no, Janel,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Will does have a very good memory.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I once ran into shack somewhere and was like, Hi,
it's really nice to meet you, and he was like, Danielle,
I once held you over my head at Universal Studios
in Florida, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh, well that could be the case.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
So yeah, I always remind me.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Think you'd remember right exactly exactly you.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Remind Danielle she was on Boy Met World. It's like
you placed the panga.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
You were very good.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
I felt better about myself. Yeah, thank you, you're here.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, do not do not worry.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
So then you are basically we do a table read
and you're just thrown right into the mix for the week.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
What do you remember from rehearsals and then eventually our
tape night?

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Well, Will, I have to say you were like the
kindest person to me. You really I have to like
give you like full credit for being a really nice
guy and so welcoming and supportive, because I I'm sure
at that point I remember being like, oh, okay, this
is like a TV show. I get it, Like I've
never done this. Yeah, you were so great and we

(25:41):
did really work on everything and try to find that
like sweet little dynamic.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
We had we really agree between you.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is just impeccable. It's so great.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
I thought so too. No, we did.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
We I remember distinctly well. You always had your guitar.
And I'm one of those people where I'm such a
fan of music and I have no musical talent whatsoever,
just none, So I'm always I gravitate towards people that do.
And you were just kind of sit there and you'd
strum your guitar, you'd sing a song or and that
week Danielle went out and got me the Murmurs album,

(26:17):
which I still listen to quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
It is. It's a great album, the Pink album with
I'm a Mess.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I You and I
we would talk music and then we talk about the
scenes and go through it. I just remember we got
along very well, and that I think showed when we
did the show.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
You know, frankly, it's so important.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
I always think that you can see through that stuff too,
Like I think we really did have something natural.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It was the thing that amazed all of us was
the you know, the music stuff was incredible, but you
were a musician. It was the comedy stuff that I
think what we were all. I mean, I was not
gonna say shocked because you an actor, but also happy
with because it was like you were nailing all the
jokes and it was just like, oh, okay, this is.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And now that I had trained, it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Yeah, it had been a minute. But like like I
how to listen, talk and listen, but I you your comedy,
Like when you yelled check the third time, like last night,
I was like like it was so you're so funny
it like actually makes me want to go watch the show, Like, yeah,
these people are really talented.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
He's worth watching. That's for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
You are too, Danielle.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm barely on the show. What do you tut? Really?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, I know it's it is very shocking, but we
are now. Season four is the is the first year
I'm in every episode and even then most of the
time I'm kind of, uh, just in the periphery type character.
But those first three seasons, in my mind, it was like, you.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Know, it is it's a Mandela effect thing with because
everybody thinks Corey and Tapango when they Inkopoyments World and
we're watching and we're like, where the hell.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Are you am I hosting this podcast?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
So yeah, and then but I think by season five
it's all Corey Tanga and then there's two seasons of
just the two of you essentially.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Right, So but yeah, I can't wait. We're getting there.
We're getting there. That's why we have to keep reminding
her you're on the show.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
But imagine like like that says a lot, like if
you weren't on it a lot, but the impact you
had and everyone assumes you were, Like that's very telling.
Is when you're on screen, you.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Couldn't keep yes exactly. Thank you rivoting. I'm rivoting on yes.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
So when your episode then aired, did you watch it live?

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Did you tell people about it? What did your friends think?

Speaker 6 (28:44):
What are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Of course.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
You guys, I'm on TV.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
We're watching.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Yeah, like nobody was doing that back then. We were.
It was shocking to all of us. Yeah, we had,
we had I had some friends of her and we
all watched it and it was great. I mean it
was it's so weird to see yourself for the first time.
Also watching last night, like I was a baby. Yes,
I know, so, but I was twenty I was twenty

(29:13):
I think twenty five yeah, it's crazy gosh, but still
just a babyface.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Does it feel to you like somebody else? Because sometimes
that's how I feel. I'll watch it and I'll think, yes,
I know that girl. She feels like someone I knew once.
But it does feel like someone.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I knew once, is a great way to put it. Yes,
I seemed very I mean I know I was leaning
into that, very wide eyed and you know, innocent. But
I think I might have been like that in general.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right, But it wasn't too far from home.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
It really were Yeah, it never really is, is it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, But it's so funny because again I go back
to the album that I listened to all the time.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Those songs don't represent being wide eyed and innocent.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Well, I mean, the funny thing about our album we
were actually wor like we had a hit song called
you Suck, and that was what everybody thought, like we
were this edgy Maybe that's kind of what they saw
with the character. Everyone thought we were this edgy band.
But then when you listen to the rest of the record,
it's like no, no, no, no, Like I'll never forget going

(30:18):
on tour and you would go from city to city
and everyone was you know, there to hear the big
hit song and then you'd play the rest if you
could just feel the room shift, like, oh well.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I thought we were gonna get more you sucks.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, we're thos edgy girls.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
There's a part in the episode where Eric's sister Morgan
is singing along to one of Korinna's new songs, and
she mentions as she's singing along that there's a lyric
in it that you know, Eric might like boys, if
you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, And it's a
trope we've run into a few times during our rewatch.
There was obviously a lot of gay panic in symcoms

(31:08):
in the nineties. Yea, And actually, to Boy Meets World's credit,
it was actually much better and most things really hold up,
so to its credit, but it still pops up. Do
you remember this line or do you remember this type
of fear on TV?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
You know?

Speaker 6 (31:26):
And like that, you know, we have this with the
show I was on too, Like it's that we were
in the times we were in. You can't like Monday
morning quarterbacking is just it's you can't do it because
that's just the way the world was, you know, And
so you know, I think you guys probably feel this too.
You have this responsibility to like the lines you said,

(31:47):
or you know, the way your character responded to something
or but you know, the writers were also of the times,
and the show was of the times, and we can
all look back and judge it, but like, right, you know, yeah,
I don't. Yeah, it never. It didn't bump for me then,
and last night I was like, oh, they have one.
They have them too, like we all we all have them.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
We do, we do, we all.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
But that was I mean, especially in the nineties, that
was when you were insulting your friend or getting insulted.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
It was, yeah something calling them gay was like, oh,
you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Yeah, so yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I'm very happy actually with the way Boy Meets World
handled it ninety nine percent of the time.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Like the bromance between Sean and Corey.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
They never they don't ever make fun of like you
know what I mean, they're not they're not playing on
that trope.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
They lean so heavy into that it's a real love
and it's between these two friends and and it's never
I mean, I one of my favorite lines is when
Tipanga asks Corey and Sean like, why don't you too,
just why don't you too just get married? And they
look at each other and Corey says, because our kids
would look like a horse.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's like it has nothing.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
To It's like you contemplated it. He decides, did their
kids wouldn't be cute? And yeah, it's just that's it.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
That's the reason to handle.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Uh so, yeah, we boys world does it better than most.
Have you ever been asked to play Shallow Boy live?

Speaker 6 (33:14):
I have not. No, I have not. If if I
see here, I go, I would have prepped. If you
guys were after we weren't.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
We weren't were.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I would never put you on the spot like that's
a please bring your wondering when you do, because you're
still performing. You haven't your I don't know. Actually I
was gonna say a new band, but I don't know
how new your band is.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Uh huh, well actually that's over to I'm done with
the music. But yeah that are you totally done with music?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (33:43):
I just you know, yeah, I play it, you know
for fun at this Okay, I can't ever go. Let
me try to have a music career again. Feels a little.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Well, now, it's a perfect opportunity to prep in hair.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Shallow Boy, I'm we're doing for a live show, so
just start doing the fun stuff.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
You know exactly, that's the whole cool fun stuff. Yeah.
Maybe if I come to one of these conventions with
you guys.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes, please come to a whole live show.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
I know. There we go.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, you come to one of our podmets World l.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
She goes live, she goes just back.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Oh my gosh. Oh we might have to We might
hold you to that.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
We might hold you to that because our live shows
will get a theater that's you know, one thousand people,
twelve hundred people, and we bring people out and we just.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Have so much fun. Such a live shallow Boy refer Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Call me up, Call me up.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
So soon after you were on our show, you were
in the scene of Ellen's sitcom when she came out
on Network TV.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Well this is this, Yeah, this is like a funny thing.
So I my girlfriend at the time, was on that
in that episode, okay, and I just came along to
watch the taping and they just threw me in the
coffee shop while she was.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And you were like, yes, I'll be a background actor.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
And I didn't even know it. Was going to be
as big of a deal as it that's the actual episode.
But yeah, I'm like, somehow in that episode as an
extra it is.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
So funny and I can imagine that of course, Actually
I'm not sure I can understand. I mean, that was
an episode that like stops Earth's orbit of the Sun
at the time. Yes, and yet you're saying at the
time you didn't really think about that. You just felt like, oh, yeah,
this is a my girlfriend's here and is doing a
guest appearance, and this will be an episode that Arizon TV.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Did you Yeah, I know, I know it was a
big deal that Ellen was coming out. I was very
conscious of that. I think I didn't know that the
effect it was going to have in the world, like
and also her career, and you know, just the response. Yeah,
and it just goes down in history that episode.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
My god, Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
A it is a pretty magical moment in all of
television history. Yes, and the girlfriend you had at the time,
if it's the one I think it is, almost killed me.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
What do you mean, well, she almost ran me over
with her car.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Okay, please tell this story.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
So can we say who I think?

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yeah, Katie Lang.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Okay, yeah, so she almost killed me with her car.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Okay, I can't I'm horrified right now.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Okay, so it's not your fault.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
There was a restaurant in Burbank at the time, which
I still think is there called Micelli's or Michelli's where
all the waiters sing and.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
They sing right.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, So I was leaving there at the time with
I think my girlfriend at the time.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Is this when it's like nothing to do At the time,
we were working together. It's like a.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Totally separate thing after.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Okay, good maybe anyway.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Totally separate thing after So I'm with.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
What love, Hewitt?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
I think? So, okay, I don't know. It might have
been I was with love.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't remember, but I'm crossing the street and I
probably was crossing against the light and a car screeches
to a stop.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Oh god, a foot from me, and I look up
and it's Katie Lang and she gives me this look
where at first she's like I can't believe, and then
her face kind of brightens and she waves.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
And I left and she drove by.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
So either she recognized me from the show we did together,
or was just happy she didn't throw me over.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
What did you think this was?

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, it's only like ninety seven.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah, we were was I wasn't in the passenger seat,
was I know she.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Was driving by herself, but it was we followed you.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
It was a moment where I then walk ay and
I was like, Katie Lang almost killed me.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
That I almost just died and it would have been
on the news for a number of reasons. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
So what a weird way to go, right, Yeah, she.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
She almost ran me over.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I don't think I've ever told that story before, but
Katie Lang almost ran me over.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
That is so funny.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Glad you're here to tell about it.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I wanted to ask you too about Lilith Fair, which
is such an iconic tour of the nineties.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
What was your experience like traveling with that lineup?

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Oh my god, it was incredible. So we we tried
to get on that tour for I think three years,
and the year we got was the year our label
dropped us, so we they wouldn't pay to have us
do it, so we only could afford to go on
it for like I think it was like eight days.
We did the West some of the West Coast and
yourself to go and we rent We had to tell

(38:35):
all the guys in the band for like we can't
afford you, you got to stay back. We went fully acoustic again,
rented a car and took our manager, this sweet woman Kimberly.
Were like, you have to do the most of the
driving and the like, you know, and we'll do the
right Like it was. It was like a team effort.
We stayed in like really bad motels the whole way

(38:57):
up and down, and you know, the hour the drives
were along, like everyone else was in a bus like.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
You guys are getting.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
Happy to be like a part of Lilith Fair. It
was like a dream. So we did whatever it took
and got to hang out with all the like all
the greats backstage.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Who was on tour with you at the time there?

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Okay, it was like Bonnie Ray the Dixie Chicks were there.
Oh my god, this was there was no okay, not
that one. I think this was the last Lilith Fair.
I think it was the last year they did it. Yeah,
Chrissy Hind, I mean please just we would just sit

(39:41):
there with our jaws dropped, like are we really here?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
This is crazy?

Speaker 6 (39:44):
Let's just Jackson, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Then in two thousand and four, you were cast on
the groundbreaking TV show The l Word and you played
Alice Pizki.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Am I say Piazeki?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Okay, thank you Alice Piazeki, a bisexual journalist and a
rad show host. Yes, at the time, did you know
how important this show was going to be?

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You know?

Speaker 6 (40:08):
No, again, it was another like everything gay back then
was very underground, like yeah, it kind of came and
went and if you know, you had to go find it,
like seek it out. And so I again another audition.
Stories I got this through my music. Like I I

(40:30):
didn't have I didn't have an agent. I still didn't
pursue acting. I was very music driven and I heard
about this audition. So I had my music manager call
to get me an audition because I was like, oh,
this sounds kind of cool, like maybe this is something
I could do. And I went out for the role
of Shane and I ended up getting a callback, and

(40:52):
then I got another callback and I was like, oh,
this is so weird. And then I tested against my
now best friend Kate, who played Shane. It was her
and I in the audition room and we both tested
for the network, and when I was sitting there, I
obviously knew. I was like, oh this is I'm never
going to get this.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
But I never getting this, yeah, because there she is.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
That's Shane. And then I went home and they had
my home phone number, like so they were calling like
the house for any like callbacks or whatever. And so
a week went by. I didn't get it in the
phone ring and they were like, hey, you obviously didn't
get that part. They want to bring you back in.

(41:32):
They liked something about you. They want to read you
for this other part. And then it's a totally different character.
And they sent me that they foxed me the sides.
Oh I remember this. Yeah, And I went through the
same process I started from the beginning and I ended
up testing and I got the show and I was like,
oh this is I mean, I was obviously like thrilled.

(41:55):
I actually funny stories. I turned it down twice when
they called to tell me I got the heart because
I really I know, this is like how oblivious I was,
like Hollywood like all these kind of things.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
They were like, you got it.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I was like I was at the house with my
friend Heather, who is my bandmate, and I realized like, oh,
I have to leave to go shoot this pilot and
it was up in Vancouver, and I was like, I
can't leave. I can't leave the band. I can't leave
the I can't this because we had been you know,
we were like twelve years deep at this point. We
were like, you know, do or die together, just like everything,

(42:31):
and so I was like, thank you so much. It's
been a great opportunity. I just like, I don't think
I can and they were like, really like it, so
you just put us through. But I think when I
got it, I didn't realize or I didn't realize until
I got it what it was going to take, like

(42:53):
the reality of the situations.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Like sorry, I should have asked where it shoots.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah, to all of that.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, you know this is like it's.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Such an.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Iditioned fourteen times. I don't want this role.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, I ever should have gone in.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Yeah. So they called back again, and on the third
the third time that one of the producers called and
she was like I heard, you're like turning this down.
And anyway, my bandmate and I we had like a
you know, a big conversation, a good cry, and it
was like, don't worry I'm not leaving like I'm gonna.
I'll be here like I'll be back, it'll be quick.

(43:31):
And then we went up and shot the pilots. I
still thought it was something that like nobody was ever
going to see. And then obviously the whole, my whole
entire life changed overnight.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Oh gosh, unbelievable. What a story.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Isn't that the way it is too though.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
It's like, you know, one less phone call and your
whole life is different, different, turned it down twice and
that's it.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
So oh man, you never I know this business.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I just love that, like you studied acting and then
had just kind of fell into doing music because you
guys started a band and then we're like, oh yeah,
I'm not even trying for this acting thing. I'm really
gung ho and narrow focused on music and all these
everything kept coming to you acting wise.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yes, that's what's always blown my mind. I mean not
that I've worked multiple times, but when I have, it's
usually come through music. Yeah, And I there's something to that,
And I think it's it's because like now if I
audition for something now that like I'm fully committed to doing.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
This right now that you've given up music.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Now now it's harder because like now the stakes are higher.
I don't you know, it's like I really want it.
I probably look a little more like I don't want
to say desperate, so like you can tell I want it,
like before.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
It please it was like did you all go anywhere?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:01):
When you like that guy in high school and he
doesn't like you, you it's like you. It's there's something
to like. When you don't want it, they want you
when you want it, I want.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
You human nature. Unfortunately, I think that's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But I'm hoping that they're still faxing you sides because
that would be the bed.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
It's like, sorry, I gotta I gotta take this.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You need to hang up the phone. So could you
could you give me a few minutes because I am
going to this disconnect. I gotta take the cord, put
the I'm so slow.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Just the worst, the absolute worst.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I have a question, do you so did you prefer
at the time doing four camera like Boy Meets World
the sitcom we did, or single camera like the Old Word?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Which one? Which? Which version of TV did you like better?

Speaker 6 (45:51):
You know, I've dreamt about doing what you all did
more today. You know what I loved about it the audience. Yes,
I mean that really changes everything. You get that immediate response, yep,
and you could feel the night we taped like that,
just there's an energy like none of that's happening on set. Yeah,

(46:11):
it's like we're like fourteen hours in and the room's like.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Everyone's tired, and you're like, where are we in the script?
What did I do right before this?

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Yeah, it's I mean, I really think that's what you had,
is the dream job?

Speaker 4 (46:23):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Well, it's because it was there's also this the joy
of your rehearsing all week and you're leading up to
show night.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
You know, there's then that the audience comes in. You feel,
like you said, you feel the energy.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
And the thing that I always loved was some of
the stuff that was getting all the laughs during the
week isn't getting the same lasts from the audience, and
they're laughing at stuff you weren't expecting. So even your
thrown out, it's like it's the greatest thing kind of
you're reading them while they're reading you, and you're trying
to Yeah, the best way to dance. So yeah, I
personally agree, but I sometimes the shooting. I mean, doing

(46:56):
a show like the L Word, it's you're essentially shooting
a film all it does.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
All the time. Yeah, you exhaust.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Yeah, well you don't get as many takes as well.
I mean you you know, like three setups is great.
There's too many things to get three too many setups
and I you know, like theater because when I was
in school, like that's all we did. So it just
your show reminded me so much of that. Yeah, I
mean I don't even understand how you guys let that go?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
What a what a?

Speaker 6 (47:28):
I mean it was over what a?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
What a?

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Come down? Like, how did you get through that?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
It's been a rough twenty three years.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, you know, it's funny, you we joke about it,
but it's it's it's easy to see how sitcom actors,
especially young sitcom actors, fall into that unfortunate stereotype of
drinking or drugs or going down the wrong path, because,
as we've said many times, Thursday night, you're somebody and

(47:58):
you're in front of an audience and first seven morning
it's you're not so you you could kind of you
wouldn't always see there are some shocks, but you could
kind of tell the people that weren't going to be
able to transition as easily, where it's you could see
like ooh, this person might have a problem, and sometimes
they did, and so you know, you could find that

(48:19):
it's it's looking for that rush. That audience becomes a
drug and it's literally gone in one day.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
So you uh, yeah, some people, you know, I never
equated it to the rush of the audience. I always
thought it must be an age, you know, just growing
up and then who am I when you leave?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Well, there's there's something interesting about knowing that chances are
you've lived the first line of your obituary by the
time you're seventeen.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, so I you know you can do.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
You can go off and have a great life and
a wonderful life, family, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
But chances are it's going to say, Wilfred Dell from
Boy Mets World was killed today by a Lilian I have, yeah, or.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Katie one and the same she's a lion on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
So I mean that there's there's there can be a
difficulty in that transition for some people, yea, which is
why being a child actor usually is a whole separate
thing than than starting to act when you're nineteen.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
Yeah, like your identity is cemented, yes, and you're like
trying to either chase it or leave it behind. You're
the first one of two.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, and it's so it's I mean, you know, just
the same way you're talking about the desperation you feel.
You know that there's an a lord of this business
where the second you feel like you've left it behind,
one thing comes and taps you on the shoulder and
you're instantly sucked.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
So it is it's just you think you get away
and you can't.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, Yeah, I have that.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
I have that with my show as well. I mean
we all do. Whoever is a part of it. But
but the audience thing, that's very interesting because I do
always from having one week, spending one week with you guys,
I remember that feeling and how much fun it was. Yeah,
And like I can't imagine seven years, week after week,

(50:05):
like what that would would would do to me, how
much I would miss it?

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Yes? Is that the goal? Then? I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Do you would you love to be like on a
sitcom now, like a straight up comedy camera?

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Yeah, like I've said it for years like that, Yeah,
that would be plus. I just like the the rhythm
of it. I like the rhythm of sitcoms.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Yeah, we do too.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
They're musical, you know, like they are a musical, like
the way the you know.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Well we we had on Boy Meets World. Some of
our guest stars are some of like the coolest musicians ever.
You Blake Senate from ryle o' Kylie was a regular,
a recurring guest star on our show. And Alex Dasaer
who's a hepcat yep like the musical influences on the show,

(50:54):
and the people who stand out the most, sometimes with
the smallest amount of things to do, like you only
you were in one episode. Ye Blake did maybe twelve
episodes but was definitely a side character, and Alex, who
did a full season with us but was the most
underused actor on the show.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
They are some of the most indelible.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
And we think it is because there's a musicality to
sitcom that you speak music, you get the rhythm.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
That's so cool, isn't it cool?

Speaker 6 (51:23):
You thought that, and I thought that, and now we
all think it's cool, and.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Now we're all now and now we put it out
into the world and everyone will.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Believe it we gave away the secret. It's true.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
No, and it's true though we've talked about that the
best sitcom actors are the ones that they're playing offbeat.
So you think you're hearing the regular tempo and then
the line comes from Matthew Perry, where you go, where
the hell did you get that from? Like?

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Where is that? Read? From?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Alan Alda was the same way. It's like, wow, you
just took it a whole different way. So, yeah, there's
that musicality, but it's the actors that play off beat
that are the ones that always stick with me.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Yeah, comedy is music.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
You have your own podcast with your friend Kate, who
we mentioned played Shane from The L Word, and.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
It's called the Pants Pod.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, inspired you to do a podcast with your former
co star who's also a best friend because it sounds awful, terrible, terrible, I.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Mean, you know, and in all honesty, it was the pandemic.
We really missed each other and we thought, you know,
podcasts were kind of around, but nobody, nobody who's doing recap.
We didn't want it to be an L Word recap
show because we were scared that we'd run out right,
because you.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Know, we.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Also we know that fear.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Which welcome to you.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
You have tends to talk about because you you are
friends as well, right, yes, yeah, so yeah, so we
just sort of jp, you know, just it was sort
of like a phone call, like what would we talk
about normally? And then we're four years deep at this point, Wow,
and now we're like ning amount of things to talk about.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
What's it about? And what are we going to talk about?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Yeah, listen, please come on, we can do the same thing, right.
I would love to have you on, Kate. We'll just
sit back and listen, like what happened?

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So would you do? You know?

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Yeah? No, honestly, I'd love to have you on. But
we we just we've tried recapping the L word. It's
just we have you might find this. We have so
many inside jokes and also like we have the ability
to laugh at something that's so close to us, right, Like,
but I think for but it belongs to everybody, right,

(53:51):
So that's the thing where I'm like, I don't think
we can we can we can own it in that
way and talk about it only from our point of view,
because I don't know, it's just too important for people.
So we I think we're probably not going to do recaps.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I could see, Yeah, I guess I could see that.
I will tell you that we it was. One of
the things we talked about was like how important Boy
Meets World is to people, the way it affected them,
changed their childhoods or helped them through their childhoods. And
we were worried that our inside jokes or the way
we were going to criticize something. We talked about it

(54:28):
just outwardly right at the beginning, like our biggest fear
is that we're going to ruin the show for people
by us just being honest and having fun conversation about it.
But we said, but if we're going to do this,
we're going to be honest, and then we let everybody
in on those inside jokes. We never have shied away
from saying them, and now we have people coming up

(54:49):
to us at live show saying, Steve's having a baby, yeah,
and like that's a thing that only if you worked
on Boy Meets World for those few years would you
even know what that meant.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
And now everybody he knows it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
And I'll tell you it's the greatest feeling to feel
the community has grown and you just feel more connected
to people and now they know the show in a
deeper way. So I understand the fear, but I bet
you would actually find a way to seamlessly do it
and you would enjoy it, and so would the fans.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Okay, good, I will take that end.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
So, finally, looking back now, almost thirty years later, when
you see your baby years years.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Every time I hear it, I'm like, oh my god,
I can't be that long.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
So when you see that baby Lesia as you described her,
absolutely killing it in her first TV acting gig ever,
what would you want to say to her?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
Oh, I'm really proud of her, Like I love that
I just went for it, and I and and I
see that, I see that in the in the performance,
I just seem like very excited to be there. And
I don't know I'd be like, good job, kid, Yes, I.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Think that's right. One thing we did.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I want to know if you remember this because we
talked about this. I talked about this when we recapped
the actual episode. Do you remember pulling me aside and saying, can.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
You do me a favor? And I was all nervous.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I thought you were gonna say, like I was doing
something horrible and you're like, can you start the sun
will come out tomorrow at a lower key because I'm
not going to be.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Able to hit the notes. Do you remember this?

Speaker 6 (56:28):
No, But that's funny. I was watching last night and
because I started a certain way, and then when you
came back in, we were in a different key, and
I thought that was because you could like you couldn't
hear the key was already. I asked you.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You're like, could you come and make it lower because
I'm but the way you pulled me aside, it.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Was like I really need to talk to you about something.
And I was like, yeah, God, like I had done that,
and it was You're like, could you start it a little?

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Yeah, I'm a professional singer.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I can figure out what a key is. You know
new Googles, what's the key?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Start lower? Okay, gotcha?

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Week we really did.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Well.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
We've had almost just as much fun having you here
on the podcast with us, So we can't thank you
enough for spending your time with us today.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
It was my pleasure. I was very excited to do it.
It's so great to see you both. You look amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You're like wise. We'll have to we'll have to make
plans to get together.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
We definitely want you to.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Call for the party. So cool, very interested.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
We will.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah, plug in your home phone.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
We have to decide which corn I would be. I mean,
oh yeah, I guess the mean I get the edgy
one because.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
People would want to hear shallow boy. Yeah, I want
to hear.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
It's decided. Well, thank you so much. That was nice
to see you. Bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Oh my gosh, she's incredible. She I mean, that was
so much fun to have her. And you could tell
that she was really excited to be here, which is
great because I was worried she was gonna You know,
we have interviewed people before where they haven't remembered anything,
and then.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
You think, why did you want to be on this podcast?
If you don't remember this be far. But she remembers stuff,
and she had the.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Second she started talking.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Her voice is so like I mean, I don't know
if and I should have talked her about this while
we're doing it, but I'll have to email her.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
I don't know if she has a voiceover agent, but
her voice is so unique. Yes, the second she started talking,
I was right. I was right back to the shooting
the show because oh man, her voice hasn't changed it all.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
It's great, man, so great, so great to see her.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
And how cool is that?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Just going over some of the musical guest stars.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Wh yeah, and that's not even including like the monkeys, right, yeah, exactly.
And what we had the what the guitarist from Cheap
Trick and who was the Oh god, I'm gonna forget
his name.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Who's who? What would you think I could do?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
What this?

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Oh gosh, who was one of the tongues. Wasn't he
one of the four guitars?

Speaker 6 (59:06):
I think it was? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And then never forget this, the hold onto the night
leather jacket. That's part of the show.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
We've got, We've got some serious musical cred.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You guys can check out Lisha's other podcast, the Pants Pod,
and hear all of the music from the Murmurs and
her more recent band uh uh huh her and that
is playing on all platforms. Billy Vera, Billy, That's who
was you were thinking of? Thank you all for listening
to this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you
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