May 15, 2023 • 54 mins
In an interview the gang never expected, ice skating legend Nancy Kerrigan joins the podcast to talk about her surreal guest appearance on the BMW episode, “Wrong Side of the Tracks.”
They talk about Will’s whirlwind, anxiety-inducing adventure to the East Coast set, Nancy’s thoughts on Will’s “skating ability” and why every Halloween still sucks for the iconic athlete.
And how did Will end up in a wheelchair? We’re going for the Gold on this new episode of Pod Meets World…
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
How do you guys sleep? No, like, are you I
don't mean do you sleep well?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Or do you sleep?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean like, are you back sleepers? Are you side sleepers?
Do you sleep on your stomach? Does it switch? Like?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
How do you guys sleep?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
On my stomach the whole night.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, that's how I fall asleep, like I can only
fall asleep. And it took me a while to realize this.
I was like, I'd toss and turn or be on
my side, and then eventually I realized, like, you, no,
I need to sleep, like on my stomach.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
That's how I fall asleep. I usually wake up in
a different position.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
But yeah, but that and it's so funny because now
I know that I'm getting tired enough to actually go
to sleep when I find myself in that position.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Like if I'm if I think I'm going to sleep,
but I'm still not there and I'm like lying on
my back, I'll be Oh, I'm the line on my back.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
There's no way I'm going to sleep for the next
twenty minutes or so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I used to be the exact same way. I was
almost an exclusive stomach sleeper. I could not fall asleep
any other way, and would if I wanted to sleep,
I would flip over onto my stomach and it would
be lights out, and then I would wake up and
I would still be on my stomach. And then being pregnant,
you can't sleep on your stomach, and I remember being
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very nervous, like in the early stages of pregnancy you
still can sleep on your stomach, and being.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Like, what am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
What am I gonna do? I'm just not gonna sleep.
I'm just not going to sleep. And then the good
news is you're not sleeping when you're pregnant anyway, because
you have to pay every five minutes and you've got
some pains, and news well because because then then the war,
it's not the worst thing that you can't sleep on
your stomach because you're just not sleeping anyway when you're seven,
eight nine months pregnant. But I did, especially in my
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pregnancy with Keaton, get very comfortable sleeping on my side.
All of a sudden, It wasn't a problem. It was
like suddenly sleeping on my side felt very natural and
very comfortable. I used to always feel on my side
that I didn't know what you do? Where do these go?
What does what happens with this? Like what does this
one do? And like is this one? This one's gonna fall.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Asleep like you act in a jacket.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, exactly possible. I could never act in a jacket.
Couldn't sleep on my side. I also would feel like
I would like my weight would roll over forward, and
I was like, well, now I'm still kind of on
my stomach anyway, long story short. With Keaton, I got
very comfortable sleeping on my side, and now I sleep
in coffin pose on my side. So so both arms
vampire yes, and it's glorious it is. And so I'll
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now fall asleep on my side in vampire pose and
then sometimes still wake up on my stomach. But I
vacillate between side sleeping vampire style and stomach sleeping.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Do you have her back?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have a specific side or is it? Is
it switching between the sides you have?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I can switch between the sides, but I start off
on my left side okay, and then I usually will
end up rolling over onto my right side.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I once work than actress who told me you can't
sleep on your face, you can't sleep on your stomach.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Because because you wrinkles.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So she trained herself to sleep on her back.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Best friend Danielle did the exact same thing. Danielle sleep.
Danielle literally sleep. My friend Danielle literally sleeps arms down
by her side on a satin pillow, looking straight up.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And I'm like, God, preserve my face.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah exactly. I mean I also drink the blood of
my husband and that keeps me young, so will what
about you?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't I try not to drink too much of of.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Your producer Jensen producer Jensen Cup, husband of this podcast blood. Yeah,
it's got a strange aftertaste. But no, I sleep on
my stomach. I sleep on my stomach or my side,
but I nap on my back. What Yes, napping is
the only time I snore and it's because I'm on
my back.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So you nap on your back too, writer.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, because I'm if I'm nappy, and I only wanted
to last twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So it's like, I can, I know, make sure you're uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I guess so between twenty minutes and four hours. And
it's that same thing. But I nap in coffin pose
where there's times where I Sue will come in and
be like, that's the creepiest thing I've ever seen in
my life because I am full like this and out
I wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Huh oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was just curious. I was ccared thought about that
when I woke up this morning. I was like, I
know how I sleep, but I don't know how they sleep.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
To find out, we should do a slumber party one day.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, the Boy meets World House.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Hey are webb the Boy meets World House?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I mean you may be onto something.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I do want to see what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
It's uh, wouldn't it be crazy if we walked in
and it was like exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like, oh my gosh, what if the Boy meets What
if the Matthew's couch is in there and.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The family picture and Rusty's just there?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh man, I hope that would be so awesome. Anyway,
Welcome to Pod meets World. I'mdaniel Fishal, I'm right or Strong,
and I'm Wilfredell. Our guest today is Nancy Carrigan, who
is way better than doing this podcast. But she said yes,
so we're gonna accept her answer. We're gonna roll with it.
I mean, she won a handful of Olympic medals as
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a figure skater, competing from nineteen ninety one to nineteen
ninety four, including the Unforgettable Showdown with Oxana Bayoul and
Lily Hammer, which earned her a place on the world
stage and a silver medal. And that same year, what
you may unfortunately know her best from is when Nancy
found herself thrust into an infamous scandal that is still
pop culture fodder today, when she was attacked by a
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hitman that a rival's ex husband hired to sideline her
from the competition. Beyond that, though Carrigan was inducted into
the United States Figure Skating Hall of Fame in two
thousand and four, she starred in Broadway on ice and
competed in Dancing with the Stars in twenty seventeen. But
today we are less interested in all of that, all
of those accolades and those incidents, because she played herself
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in one episode of Boy Meets World, Season two, episode nineteen,
Wrong Side of the Tracks in nineteen ninety five, and
that is what she's here to talk about today. So
let's please welcome to the podcast. Nancy Carrigan.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Hey, Yes, how are you?
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I'm good? How are you doing.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here
with us.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I'm glad to be this has been a long time.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
I'm really I was just disappointed years and years ago
when I didn't get to go on set and meet everybody.
I know, I mean, Will it was great working with you,
but it was I've been a huge fan, My kids
are fans. We've watched, you know, all of Boy Meets
World plus Girl Meets World.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, I just remember being very cold. I just remember
being very, very cold.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So let's to jump into it. My very first question
is do you remember how you kind of ended up
on Boy Meets World? Did Was it just a phone
call to you? And then ask how did that come about?
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I always should ask this before the questions come up,
because I don't know. I have an agent who's still
my agent, but now my husband.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Would he have been your He would have been your
agent at the time.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah, yes, So someone must have called him and asked
if I would be on and of course I'm like, yes,
for sure, and I I think it was at the time.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I was in in.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Lake Placid anyway, already filming, and so we're like, yes,
it sounded, you know, made sense and makes it look
more dream like, not being in just an ice rink,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
So yeah, part of the dream.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That is my question. Will Where did you guys, because
you were you were filmed it in Lake Placid, which
the world had no business being in Lake Placid. We
went there for you, Nancy, right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We did.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I remember flying there with with Kendall and I want
to say Karen McCain and we who are two of
our producers, and we flew there and I just remember
landing and even growing up in the East Coast in Connecticut,
I was still like, this is really cold.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It was. You were already as at that point converted.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We went to this house that was, you know, in
front of a frozen lake, which I guess was Lake
Placid or something smaller.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Was it Mirror Lake?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think Mirror Lake, okay, And we had to take
snowmobiles to get to the lake to then put me
on skates for the second time in my entire life
in front of Nancy Carrigan, which isn't intimidating at all,
which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So yeah, it was what a day.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How did you find out you were going to be
working with Nancy.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I think they kind of said, you know, Kendall pulled
me aside and said, hey, we're going to be doing
a dream sequence with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I was like, that's awesome. Who's going to go skate
with her? Because it can't be me?
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Hey, who's that?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh no, no, I know exactly who you are, and
so it was I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know, I remember then they literally brought me to
an ice skating store and I sat there and they
fitted me with really expensive, ridiculous skates that hurt so much.
I don't know how Nancy you do this. It's yeah,
it's just like your feet are in a vice all
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day long.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It is excruciatingly painful.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Yes, when they're new, especially, but then people will say, oh,
you must have strong ankles. I'm like, no, they're very
strong boots. There's like four layers of leather, although now
they're all plastic and super light and it's really different,
which hard for me to get used to.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I have a new pair of.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Those plastic skates and I yet to to try and
break them in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's oh, it's horrifying.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, these days have it easy. You want those hard leather,
heavy boots.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
They were so painful, and I just I just remember
standing there with you, and you kind of being very
nice and trying to help me essentially stand on the
skates and I you look down at my skates, and
then you looked up at me and you smiled, and
I went, these are good skates, aren't they? And you
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very politely went, they're very good and maybe a little
too good for for your level.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I was like, Okay, maybe you don't deserve these.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
You probably needed, like not just the try on and see,
okay these fit.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
You needed to practice in them, maybe, yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Of course I didn't do at all. It was just here,
here are skates. Now go stand on ice with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like, so, does that mean that.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Kendall directed it? Did he direct the Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah he did. I was wondering because the.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Trainer gets credit for the episode, but he didn't even go.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Kend was it bundled up like head to toe like
we were hiking in Alaska and you had one camera?
I don't remember. I was so concentrating on hitting my
double LUTs that oh yeah, your career that was obviously me.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Clearly a couple axel and sitspin.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think I did well. The sitspin was easy. I
had that down at the airport. It was the it was.
I was worried about the about the double axle. Let's
take you off. It's with the axle.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I mean the thing when I'm hitting my my my
uh regular spins. You know, you land forward with the axle,
you take off backward, you land back. The whole thing
was very strange, so I was probably wrong with everything.
I just said, yeah, it sounded great, right, I was
committing to the to the performance though.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, Nancy, was this your first experience acting? Had you
ever been asked to do another TV show?
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well, I've done the Journey of Alan Strange and I
don't know that right before or right after, but like
right around the same time. And that thing is with
like I always have to play myself, which is kind
of a little boring, you know, because I'm already me,
so fun like do actually try and act, But I mean,
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skating is a lot of acting, frankly, We're just trying
to portray a character to different music. So I've done
shows since but on Ice Greece where I Preowski and
I did Buriel and Footloose, which was super fun. Really
like I love being on and like playing that one
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character for two hours, as opposed to like you wait
and do your three minutes of a piece and like
that's kind of boring. So to be able to continue
with a character is super fun.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I have way, I have a question for my fellow
cast members. It is a trivia question. Nancy will know
the answer to this, but I want to see if
you do as well.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I probably will not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
In what project did Nancy Kerrigan appear with William Daniels. Oh,
maybe Nancy doesn't know this, which is very funny that
she wouldn't because she's in it is mister Feenie. He's
not mister Feenie at the time, but they were together
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in Blade of Glory with will.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Fare Okay, oh Flory.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He plays the skating judge that kicks Will Ferrell out
of skating forever and on John Heater out of skating forever,
and Nancy Carrigan plays a wonderful Nancy Kerrigan as she
talks about.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Was a long day.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
That is the issue with you got what you guys do,
like six hours for maybe a.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Thirty second piece.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You know, it was crazy and it's I'm just sitting around.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, just wait, a lot of waiting.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, So, before you got the phone call to come
on Boy Meets World, were you aware of the show.
Had you ever seen an episode of Boy Meets World? Hey?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Guy?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
So I also, so that's before I had kids, but
I have a step son, and so yeah, of course,
I mean it's.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And I'm traveling a lot with all these.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Other skaters, many of whom were younger than me, and
so yeah, it's it was an iconic show.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I mean, of course I knew it.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
You guys portrayed such great characters of and it was
so much about friendship and like helping one another, and
it was just really uplifting I think for so many
as opposed to you know, you see a lot of
shows and they're at each other instead of there for
one another, and it was I think it was a
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great thing. And frankly, we could use another show very
much like that.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now. I agree, one hundred completely agree all the time.
I say it all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yes, So, so do you remember, like, do you guys
remember what time of year it was? It was ninety four,
I mean the episode aired in February of ninety five,
but you guys filmed this probably in ninety four, right,
I'm going to assume it was at the end of
ninety four.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
I thought it was in February of ninety four, but
that wouldn't taken.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Out well, it would have been February of ninety five
is when it aired. So usually we were we would
record the episodes like three to four months before they
would air.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
No, I wouldn't say that far. Maybe really yeah, maybe
on it could have.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Been January, you know, Yeah, it was mid August in
Lake Placid.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, probably the hottest month of the year exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That was August twentieth in Lake Placid. It was below
it was nine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Below yeah, right, or you're right. It could have been
the very first episode back after the holiday break. We
would have taken in December. It could have been January,
it was, I just remember it was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It was obviously right during the height of the winter
months and there, yeah, it was very very cold there.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And there are.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Other times and like skating outside on the lake and
it's been seven below zero and you're like trying to
make you know, you're happy, and it's all exciting and
oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
It brought back a lot of memories.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I actually filmed on the same lake last year, and
I was like, oh, I remember being here, but yeah,
it was. It was definitely brings back memories when when
I visit, you know, Lake Placid, and it was a
it was a good memory for me for sure, good
experience it was.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It was for me too. It really was for me too.
I had. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You were very very accommodating for my awesome skating, which
uh yeah was the thing I remember most was ending
up not even being able to do the regular just
skate around the rink the ice part, I mean, like
not even being able to be on my feet to
go around.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it ended with me on my knees on a wheelchair.
Oh wows.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I'm backwards on the wheelchair and they're pushing me
around the ice with the camera up at me.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Doing this the whole time as they're pushing the wheelchair around,
because standing on the skates just it wasn't even make
that look.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Will You're from Connecticut, how had you never been in
ice skates?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
There were two high schools in our town. One of
them was the hockey school, and we didn't like them,
so I think I I just didn't do the whole
hockey thing.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I was. Yeah, I was a soccer, baseball, football kind
of kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And the winter sports. My brother was a big winter
sports guy. Greg skis and snowboards, and I think skated
and did all that stuff. But I just could never
And to this day, I can skate, I can roller skate,
I can ski. I can't stop on any of those.
So it just ends with falling everybody. So no, remember
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who your double was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh god, the story about the double.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yes, So we get there and contrary to what I
said at the beginning, I might not have hit all
the jumps. I was talking about Nancy the LUTs, but
the sucow is somebody else. No, So we had They
had a double there to skate for me, obviously, and
he was a very nice guy. And they stood us
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together and Kendall, in his infinite wisdom, said, your hair
doesn't match his hair does not match your hair. We
need to color your hair. And I looked at the guy.
I was like, man, you gotta go get your hair colored.
And David's like, I'm talking to you. So if you
notice in the episode, I now have dark, dark, dark
brown hair. And it's because for some reason they decided
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to dye my hair.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh it's easier to go darker than it is to
go lighter.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know, to match right, makes.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Sense because if you have to if you have to
make somebody's hair lighter, you have to like bleach it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, you have to, versus like he could buy a
drug store brand.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah dark, I.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Scul were going to hat the whole time anyway, I know,
I had a is that what they're called when like
the hair kind of sticks.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Out a band?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I think, yeah, yeah, I know, but be me instead.
I am at a you know, a hair salon in
Lake Placid getting my hair darkened to match the and
then it was dark for the rest of the rest
of the season. I had like super dark brown hair.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Nancy, were you nervous at all?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I don't think so. Well, it was pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
What I had to do was pretty easy and basically
matching you know it.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
They dubbed the voice and.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
It was just so funny because because it was a
dream sequence, the acting was a little weird and and.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Like, you know, it was I was like so awkward.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
People don't act like this, and they're like but it's
a dream, And I was like, yeah, but I kind
of look stupid, but you know.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So, I mean the way it came out was perfect.
It's so good. I actually love the moment with the
hand on the lips. I thought it was I thought
it was really I mean, it's really great.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Well it makes it funny, right, so I think that
was the point.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
But it was a little silly, felt silly, but getting
going into it, not so much. I mean, I just
hope it didn't take too long because, as Weill said, freezing,
it's freezing, freezing.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yes, I remember the scene being longer. Yeah, that was
the thing I remember when I when I actually watched
it again, I was like, oh, why did I think
it was a much longer sequence than this.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Because it probably took all day?
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, right, And it was just such a big deal
to be out traveling and then be out there. Yeah,
and you probably had to do if you only had
one camera crew, right then you would have had to
do more coverage than normal than on a multi camera set.
So you were used to like, oh, now we got
to turn around and do this and do that. You
you probably just had somebody setups. Must have felt like
a long day.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And then we were in a you know, they put
us in a hotel there at Lake Placid, and we
were in that kind of this rustic hotel where everybody
was hanging out in the lobby, and I remember I
didn't know anybody, so I just like snuck back to
my rooms. Everyone was hanging out by the fireplace and
having these cool like back East moments, and I was like,
I'm gonna go upstairs.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The whole situation was. It was such a it was
a magical kind of day.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, Nancy, you're here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't want to embarrass you, but I'm on the
ice with Nancy Kerrigan, you know what I mean. It's
like outside in Lake Placid, New York, and I'm shooting
it as a dream sequence and she's teaching me how
to skate. I mean, it was like, it's one of
those days that I will always remember.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just will forever.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
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How could I forget Ben Stiller?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I mean, it was so nice for us to both
meet him for the first time. He was an amazing guest.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
We've also had on other nineties megastars like Jason Priestley,
Melissa Joan Hart, cal Mitchell, and Maam Biollick just the
name a few, and there's so much more to come.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
So sit back, relax.
Speaker 9 (22:42):
You can even binge our episodes and make sure to
catch a new one each week.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
Listen to Hey Dude, the Nineties called on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So I forgive me this is a stupid question. You
were living and you were living there, right, Nancy, You
were living in.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I know has lived in near Boston.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Wow, and so were you training at Lake Placid? How
was that? How did I How was this location chosen?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
I don't know except for that unless it was filmed
in ninety four. I remember I was doing a Disney
special there, so I was already there, like a whole
week of Disney stuff. I was a week at Disney World,
and then a week there doing outdoor magical.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Things and so then and then they had it for
a year to wait.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I don't know, well not it wouldn't it was if
it aired in ninety five. It was February of ninety five,
so it's possible you were doing that at the end
of ninety four. Maybe it was December, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So it was. But otherwise I don't know why they
would pick it except for.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That, it had to have been that you were already
going to be there.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Lake Placid, you know. I mean, it's on a place.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So I love the right outside of Boston, by the way,
because East Coast people represent Massachusetts and Connecticut, thank you
very much, love it very much.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So, Nancy, do people ever come up to you and say, Hey,
I loved you on Boy Meets World? They do?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
I just thought last night, you know, and yeah, they're there.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
It's on a lot, Actually, I would I feel like
it's a lot, because they'll say it mention it now
quite a bit when when it appears people see it.
So people are still watching all the time, which is awesome.
I mean for you guys, it's amazing, right.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean people, we we asked every guest.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
We have mean more facial hair on than you, guys,
but you still look really good and young.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And you I was thinking the same thing about you.
I was like, she looks exactly the same as she
doesn't A dream sequence from You're nearly thirty years ago?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, thank you thinking just from makeup? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Have your kids seen you on Boy Meets World? Have
they ever watched any of.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Your long time ago? But they're not. They're busy. My
oldest is twenty six.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
He's a costume designer, so always working in busy, busy
and television, theater, all kinds of stuff. So right now
he is down in Florida doing hits.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The musical Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And I have a middle guy, Brian, That that was Matthew.
Brian is going into the Naval Academy. He's a senior
in high school. So he's a gymnast.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
He's going to be on the gymnastics team next year
at the Navy.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
We just found out everything is all set, so he's
going for sure. And then I have a we have
a daughter who is a freshman in high school and
she's in a conservatory ballet company, so she's They're super
driven and no skaters.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
No Matthew tried.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
And by the way, his name is Matthew Eric, which
I thought it was Eric Matthew, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Eric.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Matthew decided on it.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
My husband got on the phone and he told someone
whose name is Matthew Eric, and I was like, well,
like seconds ago, we just decided And it wasn't after
the character or anything, but happened to be weird coincidence.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
That's so funny. Will's gonna tell everybody you have a
son named after him.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, from now on.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
But there they it definitely as a parent made our
job a lot easier that they found passion and something
that they are super involved and invested in because they
just you know, they know you have goals, you have
to work hard, and so you know, yeah, real, they
can't really not work hard if you have high goals.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So I have a close friend of mine wrestled at
Annapolis and it's that is not an easy place to
get into. My father's retired at Navy Reserve. He's a
captain and he so that I mean, that's congratulations. I mean,
graduations to all your kids. But getting into Annapolis as
an athlete is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
And men's gymnastics is pretty tough because there's only fifteen
colleges that have NCAA who teams, so for the men,
really challenging to get to get in there. But he
had a couple of other opers, but this was I
think going to be the best one, and it's the
best fit for him. So he leaves soon, you know,
and you graduate high school and then boom he's gone.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's going to be crazy big changes for us.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, Writer and I have have younger children. Writer has
an eight year old son and I have a three
and a half year old son and a seventeen month
old son. So the idea that like, for Writer, he's
been thinking about it, like, really, only ten more summers
before that's.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
All I get.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I'm already like, oh god, Then you know, we're like
halfway through his child. We have to get we have
to start planning this and figuring out how we want
to spend our time together, because it goes by so.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Fast, so fast.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, Matthew, the one that's in Florida now, he just
bought his first apartment in New York. He moved when
he was nineteen and started working. He did, and he's
just worked ever since. So at twenty five, he could
buy his own apartment in New York.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I mean it's but he's named after me.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Well, so they leave and when they're working and not
going to college, you don't get those breaks so to
come home.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
He's like, well, I'm working, I can't come home.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Right, So you know Coco Melon, of course I do.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Okay, they're on tour. He built those costumes, had those
all built, and it's so funny, went much. My daughter
went with her friends. We had like the oldest kids
in the audience. It was so funny. So they're on
tour and he you know, I'm oh, Matthew's gonna come
home this weekend and then they he said, no, no,
this elephant's head keeps falling off.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I can't And I was like not really something I
ever thought my son would be saying.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
What that words were?
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Oh my gosh, so I ever propose to cocoa melon?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
It's so so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We talk a lot on this podcast about like fame
pre internet, and the pros and cons of fame pre internet,
and just really briefly, I want to touch on the
fact that you were the victim of an attack in
ninety four, and it's a rather infamous event, and looking
back on it now, one of the things that strikes
(29:41):
me is how many jokes were made after the fact
at your expense. Very strange, right, do you think had
if something like that were to happen today, how do
you think it would be handled? Like, do you think
it would be hands differently?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I don't know, I would say. Even still today there's
half hour comedic shows and it's mentioned. I'm like, it's
almost thirty Still presidents have mentioned like you didn't you
haven't come up.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
With something better at the or newer to to I
think it's funny. I don't know, it's see. I don't
think it's anything funny to be attacked.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, it had to have been an extremely traumatic
event for you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
It was the hardest heart.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I think still is like Halloween because people will dress
up as me Antonia Harding and you know, think it's funny,
or dress up their small children.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Now you guys have small kids, Like would you think
to dress one up.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
As never one as a villain? Like but whatever, I would?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Who do this? I don't.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
It's song And then like so now with since it's
not pre media like in social media, it's they tagged
me like, hey, thanks so much. I didn't think about
being attach today. Glad, you know, And and to put
that spin on it, it makes it like it's funny.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It's it's not, no, it's it was real life, Like
what are you thinking? I don't know?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So people, I have a theory.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I have a theory about why people joked about it
at the time and are still joking about it, And
it's because of the way you handled it, which was
with such class and you just you you just.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Skated, that's all you did.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You you went and did your job, and you did
it with such again elegance in class that I think
people were like, well, she's not talking, so I'm gonna
fill it with with noise because you were like, yeah,
I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna justify this.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm here to do what I gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I got a job that I'm really good at that
I've worked my whole life for.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And because again you had that grace, everyone was like, well,
I'll fill the void. And I that's my theory of
why it happened, because I don't I believe. I don't
believe enough people talk about how you handled the whole situation.
They talk about everything else, but very little about how
you just took it and went I'm putting it over there.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I'm doing what I gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm focused on what I gotta do, which is what
an athlete does, a world class athlete does. I've been
working my whole life to get here. Nothing's gonna stop me,
and That's what I'm gonna do. And I think people
took that as like almost like, yeah, well then I'll
I'll fill in the void. And so that's always what
I thought was there was And it's like, why don't
we hear more about the fact that Nancy handled that
(32:50):
like an actual champion handle stuff. But you know, you don't,
you very very rarely hear about that side, which I
always found very odd.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, it's I appreciate all. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
It's a funny thing because I think people a credit.
The nineties in skating was like booming. We had tours
that don't even exist now. I mean one tour I
did had ninety six ninety four shows through like a
couple months, and we just went from city to city
to city, touring all over the place.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
And now that doesn't even exist. But people would say, oh,
well because of the attack, And I'm like, is that true?
Speaker 7 (33:31):
And like even signing up your kid to go take
baseball or skating, Like people, would you have signed your
kid up for skating?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
If I decided this is crazy? People?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Are you know what is wrong with this? And didn't
do what you're saying, like, move forward and if possible,
if I can be healthy enough, go do it. Go
do what I've been training for. Because if I just
took back then maybe that would have been different. I
think I'd only say it now because it's so long
in the past. It's almost like different person at this point.
(34:03):
But it's if I didn't show up at the Olympics,
if I didn't get to compete, would there have.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Been the boom?
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Maybe not, you know, So it's more about the positive
that comes from something negative that should be looked at
as this is why it is not the negative act
that didn't cause the great boom of skating, you know,
it's it's the positive part of it that did.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah. And I even did a show before going to
the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
A bunch of people came out just so I could
perform in front of people. I didn't know what it
would be like eruption of you know, clapping or what.
And so friends came and perform with me so that
I could just have some experience first, and like they
were positive by helping, you know, by being part of that.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
And I think it's all.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
That, all that positivity that was a result of people
like handling it well, I guess, but yeah, who knows.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I mean, moving on after something like that requires like
such intense and just strength of character. What did you
do right after that to put your head down and
ignore all the noise when it's all anyone could talk about?
How did you separate yourself and move on?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I think the actual immediate at the moment of being attached,
my dad actually heard me, so he scooped me up
and carried me into a room. And my little cousin,
who's like seventeen years younger, she was like five years old.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I think maybe she.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Was The door opened and I saw her face look
like is she going to die?
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Yeah, because I was in pain, so I was screaming
and the door shut and I said, open the door,
have her come in here, and because little kid doesn't
need to be scared, like I'm hurt, but I'm not dying,
like I could see on her face fear and I'm like, no, no,
it's okay. I'm going to be okay. And I think
that just jolted me right into this. This sucks, this
(36:04):
isn't this is bad. Someone else can handle what's happening outside.
But right now I'm okay, you know. And I didn't
know if i'd walk again, I didn't know if i'd
skate again, but I was like, I was okay, So
I just want to I think having her there actually,
maybe who knows, helped me a lot. Imagine a little
(36:25):
five year old, but maybe that puts it in perspective.
And then after it's just my mom's been blind, my
whole life. I think that always comes into play watching
my dad like help so much and her everything the
way everything is now, it's flat screens, flat, so cool.
(36:47):
But when you can't feel a button hard, everything's a challenge.
So like, Okay, this isn't so bad.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
You know.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
It's being able to learn perspective and having empathy for
others and going, yeah, this could be worse, but if possible,
I'm going to get get my job done.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
So, I don't know, just coming from normal like people
that were there, like, oh, you wanted to still do this, sorry,
let's make it happen.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Well, I'm so glad that it wasn't mentioned on Boy
Meets World at all. We had you there because you
were an a phenomenal Olympic ice skater, and it was
just not that was not a part of the story.
It had nothing to do with that. And uh, it's
one of the things that I think makes all of
us so proud of so many different elements of Boy
Meets World is that we really did those.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah it was. It was a ton of fun.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And by the way, we're not even gonna get into it,
but you did get your job done, and that's a
whole nother story. You absolutely got your job done. That's
a whole different thing.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I do.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I do want to tell one story of me putting
my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And yes, please, I love these. I love it mouth stories.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh man, As I said to Danielle, open open mouth,
insert skate. So we were sitting there and we were talking,
you know, in between shooting. We were both bundled up
with with blankets and everything we could possibly have, and
and we were just talking. We're just having a nice
conversation and you said something where it was like, yeah,
I've got to right after this, I've got to go
to rehab for for your leg. You know, you were
(38:17):
you were going to be doing something, but I didn't
know what you were talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You said, yeah, I've got to go, and I went,
really for what?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Just not just we're having a normal conversation. You're like, yeah,
I've got to go, you know, a therapy. I just
said I've got to go at therapy And I went
really for what? And you looked them and you went yeah,
but you did you at that, you know, you know
the thing with my leg and that. By that point
I was like uh and I went, oh, oh yeah,
how's that going? And luckily by that point they went
(38:49):
all right, we need you guys back in the set.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's like, oh thank god, Like I just oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Say things like even recently someone said.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Something to me and then they're like, oh, that's not
funny to you, probably right, like and I'm like, well,
you know, you have to appreciate the innocence of like oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Mean, does anyone ever say to you before you go
out for a performance break a leg?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah? You know what.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Christya Magucci and I've been, for instance, like I was fifteen,
she was thirteen. And what's really funny is that she
said it while I was doing Dancing with the Stars.
She was like, oh Nancy, and she had her daughters
like hold up a sign, break a leg. People are
all over her like what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Why are you I'm like, oh, seriously, it's good luck.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
It's not She didn't mean any harm by Yeah. I'm like, Chris,
don't worry about this.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
And like you said, for you, it's so long ago
now it almost feels like a different person. I'm sure
for Christy who's known you, yeah, it's yeah exactly. She
she meant it with just the purest of intentions, the
way we all say break a leg before a performance,
and yet of course that it didn't come across that
way to other people.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
The ballerinas say mad, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Shit in French?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I found out why why right? Like it's something No,
it's when.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Years and years ago when the ballet would come, they
were so excited when there would be lots of this
on the ground because that means they were to have
a big audience because there was lots of horse drawn
carriages and lots of horses there, and so they were
going to have a great audience. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I love hearing industry stuff that you don't know about.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
The more the better the audience.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Well, i'd actually heard there's multiple theories about break a
leg too, because I've also heard that it's about if
if you had to do if you were going to
do a second encore, a second curtain call, the lead
actor would break their leg, meaning that they would tuck
their leg behind their other leg to indicate to all
the other actors on stage, we're going to come back
out do another bow.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
So if the.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Audience was really enjoying the show, the lead actor would
break their legs and then everybody would know that it
went well that night. But there's also alternate theories. But
that's that's the one I've heard. I'm like, I like
that one.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
That's too because I heard it was like the wings
on the side of the stage and they were like
breaking it, like don't get on stage, basically breaking.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
See.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The one I heard is John Wilkes booth jumping.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
When Wilkes Booth jumps off after he shoots Lincoln, he
jumps off on the stage and he broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It doesn't predate that, really, no, I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
So it was it was started in the eighteen sixties,
is what I Again, I could be complete.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
So he broke his leg, and then why would we
say that to.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Wish them because the show it was there was a
whole theory about it. It was like the show which
was our American cousin at the time at Ford's Theatre
was going very well, and so it is it's kind
of like the it's kind of saying the opposite. It's
it's wishing you good luck by wishing bad luck. And
then there's this whole breakdown of it came out. It
was very strange I have my favorite discuss.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
I did a play in Australia and they say chuck
us before you go on stage, which means, I hope
you win a chicken, because in the old Australian tradition
they would tour around Australia and if you did well,
the town that you came to would provide you with
chicken so the actors could eat that night.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
So it's just such like an old chuck as I
love it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, that's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, well, Nancy, we are honestly just so grateful that
you came here and did this little conversation with us,
but also more importantly, we are so proud to have
you in the lexicon of incredible Boy Meets World guest stars.
You are just incredibly classy and we just admire you
(42:47):
so much and are so thankful that you spent your
spent any of your time not only here with us
today but doing Boy Meets World. And one of the
things we've talked about is that we are trying to
invent a time machine and master time travel so that
we could go back and do things that didn't get
to do then, and one of them is I'd like
to have you on the set of Boy Meets World
out of Lake Placid? Have you on set with us
spending time with all of us?
Speaker 6 (43:09):
I think for ever a reboot or something, Yep, call me,
I'll I'd love to do it.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
And I just want to say before we go, it
sounds like we're getting to the end there. But there
was I did a show the other night in Boston
and there was a woman that came up to me.
She was like, they mentioned you on the podcast The
Boyman's World podcasting a couple months ago, and I was like, oh, well,
I'm doing it Tuesday, and she's like, what really from Boston,
Like they've changed my life.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
So you guys have changed people's lives for the better.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
And Jen in Boston was like thrilled that I was
going to be part of it, and she's like a
huge fan, and so I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Just that is so nice.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Was awesome.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
It was it was random. She had no idea it
was going to be on.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well, yeah, we've kept we've kept you a secret.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I have I have one quote, have a couple questions.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
The first is very briefly, if we manage to go
to Boston, will you come out and hang out with us.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Of course, we'd love to see you in person. That's great.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Second, unfortunately, we are nowhere near actually inventing the time
travel machine. I know, it's really just still in the
design phases at this at this point.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, we have a Google doc going.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It's working, it's not going well. Third, and very briefly,
because you mentioned this at the beginning, if you marry
your agent, do they still get ten percent?
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Well, but I get it all back anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
That's right, That's what I'm Okay, I'm just curious how
I was curious how that was working.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Okay, all right, Will.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Thinking about marrying his agent.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Now he's like, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 6 (44:44):
He's super nice.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He treats me well. I could do a lot worse.
I think it's going to be a tough conversation with
my wife.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
But for ten percent, technically would be fifty percent of
the ten percent.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yes, I think you're right. I got to do the math.
It's never good with me.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh my, Nancy, thank you so much for being here
with us. And we are actually going to hit you
up about that Boston situation. We're gonna we're gonna we'd
like to do a face to face reunion.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
That would be fun. I'd love it.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
Thanks guys, it was an honor to be part of
the show and to in the podcast as well with
all of you.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Thank you so much. Lit again was Seriously, I've said
it before and I'll say it again. It was one
of my favorite memories of Boy Metrol that always will be.
It was such a magical day for me. So thank
you for making it so cool.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It really was. It really was a ton of fun.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Thank you, bye, Thanks bye, oh Man, so classy and inspiring.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I'm not gonna take.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Anything away from Aksana Bayule, obviously, but Nancy Carrigan won
that Olympics.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
She won the gold medal med Olympics.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
She I'm sorry, and again Axana trains in the town
next to where I grew up in Connecticut, So certainly
not trying to take anything away from her, but with
not only with everything she came she went through, but
when you actually watch I know a little bit about skating.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I dated a skater for a while and.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Got was she the actress who played the skater on
Boy Meets World? Because no, she was dated everyone.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
She was.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
She was the in h double hockey stick. She was
the stand in skater for the actual skater.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
There skater and we dated for years.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Her name was Quila and we dated for years, and
she was was picked to be the Canadian national figure
skating champion and then got mono the year she everyone
thought she was Yeah, so, but she was in this
world for a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Difficult would you give her mono?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I didn't. This was before me.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Thanks, okay, all right, But she.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Showed me a bit about this world, so I, you know,
got into it and watched a little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And when you watch Nancy Kerrigan's program forgetting even everything
she went through to get there.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
She won that Olympics, so it's that they you know,
there's a lot of theories as to why she actually
was given the silver instead of the gold, and then
there's very little spoken about how she handled that entire
situation because she handled it like an actual ampion, where
she's like, Nope, not going to talk about it, not
going to mention it, not going to do press conference,
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is not going to do any of there still does
It's going to rehab and skate.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
That is my job.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
And she have been thinking about what you know what
Danielle's first question to her about the situation, you know,
the difference between the nineties and now, and you know,
I it's hard to like remember the nineties, like the
early nineties and then all the way up through the
oughts where that tabloid time, like it's a different it
was a different press mentality where there would be literally
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one story, whether it's Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana or you know, whatever,
there would be and like usually the more frivolous and petty,
the bigger it would become. And it would just become
this fever over the nation for.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Like months, Yeah, and anybody would talk.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
About and then and it was like, and you know,
it's just that we've talked about this before, but that monoculture,
it was like it almost becomes it's it's becomes a
self perpetuating cycle because it's like the only way you
the only thing people like, only thing comedians can reference
in their stand up, The only thing like SNL can
do bits about. The only thing that like if you
meet a stranger in the street you can sort of
have in common is.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Like, oh, how do you feel about Nancy Kerrigan and
Tanya Hart it's like who gives a crap?
Speaker 5 (48:14):
You know, at a certain point, like you hear about
the actual attack, you hear about okay, criminal charges or whatever.
Maybe that's like wow. But for it to like grip
a nation and become this like soap opera, it's just
it's and I don't think that that would happen the
same way today. I don't think because I feel like,
you know, these kinds of stories would they might crop up,
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but then hopefully now we're more sensitive to the to
the multiplicity of sides, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Like at the time, you know, all narratives.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Really I feel like the narratives back then would be
really easily compartmentalized into good guy, bad guy or good girl,
bad girl, villain hero, and like I feel like that's
more like nowadays things are much quickly, much quicker to
be reassessed for better or worse, you know, because then
everybody has an opinion, and then everybody has a side,
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and so everything sort of loses meaning half the time.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We're also we as a society now have we have
no patience and we have no staying power. So twenty
four to forty eight hour cycle and you move on
to the next story. That's I don't think it has
anything to do with reevaluating the sides. I think it's
just what's next, what's next, what's next? Nobody can wait
for anything. We need to be barraged with as much
imagery and horribleness as we possibly can, and it becomes
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all encompassing. It's like two days now was two months
back in the nineties. Because you know, the thing about
the tiny hearting Nancy Kerrigan thing is when you when
you watch the whole story, it was pretty gripping because
when they, you know, actually had to go to the Olympics,
they had to practice on the same ice.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
They were there at the same time.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Tanya is Tanya Harding is is about to be kicked
off the team.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
They don't know if she's even going to make it
to the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
She's under the chances are she's going to be, you know,
indicted for attacking a fellow skater or having people attack
or whether she knows about it, whether she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
But people can speculate all they want.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
But then you've got Nancy Carrigan, who was America's sweetheart
and they've got to skate around each other with an
audience even just to practice. I think even now that
would be pretty grippulo.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
See nowadays those But see nowadays, everybody involved with it
would have instant access to basically publish their opinions or
publish their own point of view, whereas back then it
was always filtered by you know, Ruper Murdoch or whoever
was running the tabloids, you know, who could sort of
control the narrative, whereas like now, like Nancy Carigan would
be able to tweet, would be able to put on Instagram.
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Everybody would be able to publish their own thoughts and
their own for better or worse. I'm I'm just saying
it's different. It's very different. Yeah, And I think part
of that difference is that that hopefully people are empowered
to at least express themselves, Like you know, Nancy Carigan
would have able to say at the time, I'm just
going to skate, like you know, some sort of version
of like presenting that classiness that you pointed out, Like,
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you know.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Maybe that would have been better.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Maybe I don't know who it's you know, I wonder
anyone would have said anything. I don't think, I don't know, Yeah,
it doesn't seem like she wants she would have, But
you know, the flip side is what she also pointed
out was that people tag her when they dress their
kids up, like.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, I think what what gets lost so much?
Speaker 6 (51:23):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Like what we talked about with her, this was probably
the most one of the most traumatic things that had
ever happened to her up until that point in her life.
And to even then, what she mentioned that I hadn't
even really ever thought of, is even just gaining the
confidence to go back out in front of a group
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of people and do what you had been had been
doing your entire life, not knowing how has it changed?
Speaker 4 (51:51):
How?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
How what is the perception of me now? What will
the response be? Will they clap? Will they like? I
don't think anybody could really even fathom how difficult that
was for her, and she had to just bury her
head in the sand. I mean, it would have been
impossible for her to block out that noise. And now, still,
like she said, thirty years later, she still can't really
block it out because she gets tagged in things and
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people bring it up. So yeah, I mean, it really is.
It's very interesting, you know, I really I don't know
how it would be different. I know it would be
different now if it were to happen again. But it's
truly remarkable what she, you know, went through and what
she's accomplished in her life, and you know, then she
was on Boymet's world.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
It just it sucks a little bit that with all
all of her accomplishments, one of the things she's going
to be remembered for is something that was done to her.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, she had nothing to do with it was done
to her.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And it's like, man, I just worked my ass off
for twenty years to do this.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
And my hope is, like she mentioned that there was
a lot of positives that still came out of it. Yeah,
that people who may have never known anything about ice skating.
Who's maybe and you know intro to ice skating? Is
what tell me about this attack? And then and who
did it happen to? And what is she famous for?
Let me look up a video of her and then
you you know the So one hopes that the ripple
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effect becomes an education about who she is as a whole,
instead of this one part of her life that she
had no control over that was you know, traumatic for her,
But I love that she.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Was a Boy Meets World fan. I know love that
she was a Boy meets World fan. And I've seen
Girl Meets World two. I think that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, it is cool. Well, thank you for joining us
for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you
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We're so funny, my lord.
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How do you guys sleep? No, like, are you I
don't mean do you sleep well?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Or do you sleep?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean like, are you back sleepers? Are you side sleepers?
Do you sleep on your stomach? Does it switch? Like?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
How do you guys sleep?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
On my stomach the whole night.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, that's how I fall asleep, like I can only
fall asleep. And it took me a while to realize this.
I was like, I'd toss and turn or be on
my side, and then eventually I realized, like, you, no,
I need to sleep, like on my stomach.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
That's how I fall asleep. I usually wake up in
a different position.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
But yeah, but that and it's so funny because now
I know that I'm getting tired enough to actually go
to sleep when I find myself in that position.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Like if I'm if I think I'm going to sleep,
but I'm still not there and I'm like lying on
my back, I'll be Oh, I'm the line on my back.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
There's no way I'm going to sleep for the next
twenty minutes or so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I used to be the exact same way. I was
almost an exclusive stomach sleeper. I could not fall asleep
any other way, and would if I wanted to sleep,
I would flip over onto my stomach and it would
be lights out, and then I would wake up and
I would still be on my stomach. And then being pregnant,
you can't sleep on your stomach, and I remember being
(01:24):
very nervous, like in the early stages of pregnancy you
still can sleep on your stomach, and being.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Like, what am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
What am I gonna do? I'm just not gonna sleep.
I'm just not going to sleep. And then the good
news is you're not sleeping when you're pregnant anyway, because
you have to pay every five minutes and you've got
some pains, and news well because because then then the war,
it's not the worst thing that you can't sleep on
your stomach because you're just not sleeping anyway when you're seven,
eight nine months pregnant. But I did, especially in my
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pregnancy with Keaton, get very comfortable sleeping on my side.
All of a sudden, It wasn't a problem. It was
like suddenly sleeping on my side felt very natural and
very comfortable. I used to always feel on my side
that I didn't know what you do? Where do these go?
What does what happens with this? Like what does this
one do? And like is this one? This one's gonna fall.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Asleep like you act in a jacket.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, exactly possible. I could never act in a jacket.
Couldn't sleep on my side. I also would feel like
I would like my weight would roll over forward, and
I was like, well, now I'm still kind of on
my stomach anyway, long story short. With Keaton, I got
very comfortable sleeping on my side, and now I sleep
in coffin pose on my side. So so both arms
vampire yes, and it's glorious it is. And so I'll
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now fall asleep on my side in vampire pose and
then sometimes still wake up on my stomach. But I
vacillate between side sleeping vampire style and stomach sleeping.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Do you have her back?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have a specific side or is it? Is
it switching between the sides you have?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I can switch between the sides, but I start off
on my left side okay, and then I usually will
end up rolling over onto my right side.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I once work than actress who told me you can't
sleep on your face, you can't sleep on your stomach.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Because because you wrinkles.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So she trained herself to sleep on her back.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Best friend Danielle did the exact same thing. Danielle sleep.
Danielle literally sleep. My friend Danielle literally sleeps arms down
by her side on a satin pillow, looking straight up.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And I'm like, God, preserve my face.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah exactly. I mean I also drink the blood of
my husband and that keeps me young, so will what
about you?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't I try not to drink too much of of.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Your producer Jensen producer Jensen Cup, husband of this podcast blood. Yeah,
it's got a strange aftertaste. But no, I sleep on
my stomach. I sleep on my stomach or my side,
but I nap on my back. What Yes, napping is
the only time I snore and it's because I'm on
my back.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So you nap on your back too, writer.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, because I'm if I'm nappy, and I only wanted
to last twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So it's like, I can, I know, make sure you're uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I guess so between twenty minutes and four hours. And
it's that same thing. But I nap in coffin pose
where there's times where I Sue will come in and
be like, that's the creepiest thing I've ever seen in
my life because I am full like this and out
I wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Huh oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was just curious. I was ccared thought about that
when I woke up this morning. I was like, I
know how I sleep, but I don't know how they sleep.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
To find out, we should do a slumber party one day.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, the Boy meets World House.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Hey are webb the Boy meets World House?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I mean you may be onto something.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I do want to see what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
It's uh, wouldn't it be crazy if we walked in
and it was like exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like, oh my gosh, what if the Boy meets What
if the Matthew's couch is in there and.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The family picture and Rusty's just there?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh man, I hope that would be so awesome. Anyway,
Welcome to Pod meets World. I'mdaniel Fishal, I'm right or Strong,
and I'm Wilfredell. Our guest today is Nancy Carrigan, who
is way better than doing this podcast. But she said yes,
so we're gonna accept her answer. We're gonna roll with it.
I mean, she won a handful of Olympic medals as
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a figure skater, competing from nineteen ninety one to nineteen
ninety four, including the Unforgettable Showdown with Oxana Bayoul and
Lily Hammer, which earned her a place on the world
stage and a silver medal. And that same year, what
you may unfortunately know her best from is when Nancy
found herself thrust into an infamous scandal that is still
pop culture fodder today, when she was attacked by a
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hitman that a rival's ex husband hired to sideline her
from the competition. Beyond that, though Carrigan was inducted into
the United States Figure Skating Hall of Fame in two
thousand and four, she starred in Broadway on ice and
competed in Dancing with the Stars in twenty seventeen. But
today we are less interested in all of that, all
of those accolades and those incidents, because she played herself
(06:04):
in one episode of Boy Meets World, Season two, episode nineteen,
Wrong Side of the Tracks in nineteen ninety five, and
that is what she's here to talk about today. So
let's please welcome to the podcast. Nancy Carrigan.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Hey, Yes, how are you?
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I'm good? How are you doing.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here
with us.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I'm glad to be this has been a long time.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
I'm really I was just disappointed years and years ago
when I didn't get to go on set and meet everybody.
I know, I mean, Will it was great working with you,
but it was I've been a huge fan, My kids
are fans. We've watched, you know, all of Boy Meets
World plus Girl Meets World.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yes, I just remember being very cold. I just remember
being very, very cold.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So let's to jump into it. My very first question
is do you remember how you kind of ended up
on Boy Meets World? Did Was it just a phone
call to you? And then ask how did that come about?
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I always should ask this before the questions come up,
because I don't know. I have an agent who's still
my agent, but now my husband.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Would he have been your He would have been your
agent at the time.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah, yes, So someone must have called him and asked
if I would be on and of course I'm like, yes,
for sure, and I I think it was at the time.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I was in in.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Lake Placid anyway, already filming, and so we're like, yes,
it sounded, you know, made sense and makes it look
more dream like, not being in just an ice rink,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
So yeah, part of the dream.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That is my question. Will Where did you guys, because
you were you were filmed it in Lake Placid, which
the world had no business being in Lake Placid. We
went there for you, Nancy, right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
We did.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I remember flying there with with Kendall and I want
to say Karen McCain and we who are two of
our producers, and we flew there and I just remember
landing and even growing up in the East Coast in Connecticut,
I was still like, this is really cold.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It was. You were already as at that point converted.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We went to this house that was, you know, in
front of a frozen lake, which I guess was Lake
Placid or something smaller.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Was it Mirror Lake?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think Mirror Lake, okay, And we had to take
snowmobiles to get to the lake to then put me
on skates for the second time in my entire life
in front of Nancy Carrigan, which isn't intimidating at all,
which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So yeah, it was what a day.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
How did you find out you were going to be
working with Nancy.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I think they kind of said, you know, Kendall pulled
me aside and said, hey, we're going to be doing
a dream sequence with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I was like, that's awesome. Who's going to go skate
with her? Because it can't be me?
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Hey, who's that?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh no, no, I know exactly who you are, and
so it was I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know, I remember then they literally brought me to
an ice skating store and I sat there and they
fitted me with really expensive, ridiculous skates that hurt so much.
I don't know how Nancy you do this. It's yeah,
it's just like your feet are in a vice all
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day long.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It is excruciatingly painful.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Yes, when they're new, especially, but then people will say, oh,
you must have strong ankles. I'm like, no, they're very
strong boots. There's like four layers of leather, although now
they're all plastic and super light and it's really different,
which hard for me to get used to.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I have a new pair of.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Those plastic skates and I yet to to try and
break them in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's oh, it's horrifying.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, these days have it easy. You want those hard leather,
heavy boots.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
They were so painful, and I just I just remember
standing there with you, and you kind of being very
nice and trying to help me essentially stand on the
skates and I you look down at my skates, and
then you looked up at me and you smiled, and
I went, these are good skates, aren't they? And you
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very politely went, they're very good and maybe a little
too good for for your level.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I was like, Okay, maybe you don't deserve these.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
You probably needed, like not just the try on and see,
okay these fit.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
You needed to practice in them, maybe, yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Of course I didn't do at all. It was just here,
here are skates. Now go stand on ice with Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like, so, does that mean that.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Kendall directed it? Did he direct the Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah he did. I was wondering because the.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Trainer gets credit for the episode, but he didn't even go.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Kend was it bundled up like head to toe like
we were hiking in Alaska and you had one camera?
I don't remember. I was so concentrating on hitting my
double LUTs that oh yeah, your career that was obviously me.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Clearly a couple axel and sitspin.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think I did well. The sitspin was easy. I
had that down at the airport. It was the it was.
I was worried about the about the double axle. Let's
take you off. It's with the axle.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I mean the thing when I'm hitting my my my
uh regular spins. You know, you land forward with the axle,
you take off backward, you land back. The whole thing
was very strange, so I was probably wrong with everything.
I just said, yeah, it sounded great, right, I was
committing to the to the performance though.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, Nancy, was this your first experience acting? Had you
ever been asked to do another TV show?
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well, I've done the Journey of Alan Strange and I
don't know that right before or right after, but like
right around the same time. And that thing is with
like I always have to play myself, which is kind
of a little boring, you know, because I'm already me,
so fun like do actually try and act, But I mean,
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skating is a lot of acting, frankly, We're just trying
to portray a character to different music. So I've done
shows since but on Ice Greece where I Preowski and
I did Buriel and Footloose, which was super fun. Really
like I love being on and like playing that one
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character for two hours, as opposed to like you wait
and do your three minutes of a piece and like
that's kind of boring. So to be able to continue
with a character is super fun.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I have way, I have a question for my fellow
cast members. It is a trivia question. Nancy will know
the answer to this, but I want to see if
you do as well.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I probably will not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
In what project did Nancy Kerrigan appear with William Daniels. Oh,
maybe Nancy doesn't know this, which is very funny that
she wouldn't because she's in it is mister Feenie. He's
not mister Feenie at the time, but they were together
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in Blade of Glory with will.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Fare Okay, oh Flory.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He plays the skating judge that kicks Will Ferrell out
of skating forever and on John Heater out of skating forever,
and Nancy Carrigan plays a wonderful Nancy Kerrigan as she
talks about.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Was a long day.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
That is the issue with you got what you guys do,
like six hours for maybe a.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Thirty second piece.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You know, it was crazy and it's I'm just sitting around.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, just wait, a lot of waiting.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, So, before you got the phone call to come
on Boy Meets World, were you aware of the show.
Had you ever seen an episode of Boy Meets World? Hey?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Guy?
Speaker 7 (14:08):
So I also, so that's before I had kids, but
I have a step son, and so yeah, of course,
I mean it's.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And I'm traveling a lot with all these.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Other skaters, many of whom were younger than me, and
so yeah, it's it was an iconic show.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I mean, of course I knew it.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
You guys portrayed such great characters of and it was
so much about friendship and like helping one another, and
it was just really uplifting I think for so many
as opposed to you know, you see a lot of
shows and they're at each other instead of there for
one another, and it was I think it was a
(14:49):
great thing. And frankly, we could use another show very
much like that.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now. I agree, one hundred completely agree all the time.
I say it all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yes, So, so do you remember, like, do you guys
remember what time of year it was? It was ninety four,
I mean the episode aired in February of ninety five,
but you guys filmed this probably in ninety four, right,
I'm going to assume it was at the end of
ninety four.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
I thought it was in February of ninety four, but
that wouldn't taken.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Out well, it would have been February of ninety five
is when it aired. So usually we were we would
record the episodes like three to four months before they
would air.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
No, I wouldn't say that far. Maybe really yeah, maybe
on it could have.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Been January, you know, Yeah, it was mid August in
Lake Placid.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, probably the hottest month of the year exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That was August twentieth in Lake Placid. It was below
it was nine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Below yeah, right, or you're right. It could have been
the very first episode back after the holiday break. We
would have taken in December. It could have been January,
it was, I just remember it was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It was obviously right during the height of the winter
months and there, yeah, it was very very cold there.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And there are.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Other times and like skating outside on the lake and
it's been seven below zero and you're like trying to
make you know, you're happy, and it's all exciting and
oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
It brought back a lot of memories.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I actually filmed on the same lake last year, and
I was like, oh, I remember being here, but yeah,
it was. It was definitely brings back memories when when
I visit, you know, Lake Placid, and it was a
it was a good memory for me for sure, good
experience it was.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It was for me too. It really was for me too.
I had. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You were very very accommodating for my awesome skating, which
uh yeah was the thing I remember most was ending
up not even being able to do the regular just
skate around the rink the ice part, I mean, like
not even being able to be on my feet to
go around.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it ended with me on my knees on a wheelchair.
Oh wows.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So I'm backwards on the wheelchair and they're pushing me
around the ice with the camera up at me.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Doing this the whole time as they're pushing the wheelchair around,
because standing on the skates just it wasn't even make
that look.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Will You're from Connecticut, how had you never been in
ice skates?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
There were two high schools in our town. One of
them was the hockey school, and we didn't like them,
so I think I I just didn't do the whole
hockey thing.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I was. Yeah, I was a soccer, baseball, football kind
of kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And the winter sports. My brother was a big winter
sports guy. Greg skis and snowboards, and I think skated
and did all that stuff. But I just could never
And to this day, I can skate, I can roller skate,
I can ski. I can't stop on any of those.
So it just ends with falling everybody. So no, remember
(17:56):
who your double was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh god, the story about the double.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yes, So we get there and contrary to what I
said at the beginning, I might not have hit all
the jumps. I was talking about Nancy the LUTs, but
the sucow is somebody else. No, So we had They
had a double there to skate for me, obviously, and
he was a very nice guy. And they stood us
(18:20):
together and Kendall, in his infinite wisdom, said, your hair
doesn't match his hair does not match your hair. We
need to color your hair. And I looked at the guy.
I was like, man, you gotta go get your hair colored.
And David's like, I'm talking to you. So if you
notice in the episode, I now have dark, dark, dark
brown hair. And it's because for some reason they decided
(18:42):
to dye my hair.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh it's easier to go darker than it is to
go lighter.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know, to match right, makes.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Sense because if you have to if you have to
make somebody's hair lighter, you have to like bleach it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, you have to, versus like he could buy a
drug store brand.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah dark, I.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Scul were going to hat the whole time anyway, I know,
I had a is that what they're called when like
the hair kind of sticks.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Out a band?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I think, yeah, yeah, I know, but be me instead.
I am at a you know, a hair salon in
Lake Placid getting my hair darkened to match the and
then it was dark for the rest of the rest
of the season. I had like super dark brown hair.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Nancy, were you nervous at all?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I don't think so. Well, it was pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
What I had to do was pretty easy and basically
matching you know it.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
They dubbed the voice and.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
It was just so funny because because it was a
dream sequence, the acting was a little weird and and.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Like, you know, it was I was like so awkward.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
People don't act like this, and they're like but it's
a dream, And I was like, yeah, but I kind
of look stupid, but you know.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So, I mean the way it came out was perfect.
It's so good. I actually love the moment with the
hand on the lips. I thought it was I thought
it was really I mean, it's really great.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Well it makes it funny, right, so I think that
was the point.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
But it was a little silly, felt silly, but getting
going into it, not so much. I mean, I just
hope it didn't take too long because, as Weill said, freezing,
it's freezing, freezing.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yes, I remember the scene being longer. Yeah, that was
the thing I remember when I when I actually watched
it again, I was like, oh, why did I think
it was a much longer sequence than this.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Because it probably took all day?
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, right, And it was just such a big deal
to be out traveling and then be out there. Yeah,
and you probably had to do if you only had
one camera crew, right then you would have had to
do more coverage than normal than on a multi camera set.
So you were used to like, oh, now we got
to turn around and do this and do that. You
you probably just had somebody setups. Must have felt like
a long day.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And then we were in a you know, they put
us in a hotel there at Lake Placid, and we
were in that kind of this rustic hotel where everybody
was hanging out in the lobby, and I remember I
didn't know anybody, so I just like snuck back to
my rooms. Everyone was hanging out by the fireplace and
having these cool like back East moments, and I was like,
I'm gonna go upstairs.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The whole situation was. It was such a it was
a magical kind of day.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, Nancy, you're here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I don't want to embarrass you, but I'm on the
ice with Nancy Kerrigan, you know what I mean. It's
like outside in Lake Placid, New York, and I'm shooting
it as a dream sequence and she's teaching me how
to skate. I mean, it was like, it's one of
those days that I will always remember.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just will forever.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
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Speaker 8 (21:50):
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Speaker 9 (21:55):
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Speaker 3 (22:58):
So I forgive me this is a stupid question. You
were living and you were living there, right, Nancy, You
were living in.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I know has lived in near Boston.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Wow, and so were you training at Lake Placid? How
was that? How did I How was this location chosen?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
I don't know except for that unless it was filmed
in ninety four. I remember I was doing a Disney
special there, so I was already there, like a whole
week of Disney stuff. I was a week at Disney World,
and then a week there doing outdoor magical.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Things and so then and then they had it for
a year to wait.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I don't know, well not it wouldn't it was if
it aired in ninety five. It was February of ninety five,
so it's possible you were doing that at the end
of ninety four. Maybe it was December, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
So it was. But otherwise I don't know why they
would pick it except for.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
That, it had to have been that you were already
going to be there.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Lake Placid, you know. I mean, it's on a place.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So I love the right outside of Boston, by the way,
because East Coast people represent Massachusetts and Connecticut, thank you
very much, love it very much.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So, Nancy, do people ever come up to you and say, Hey,
I loved you on Boy Meets World? They do?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
I just thought last night, you know, and yeah, they're there.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
It's on a lot, Actually, I would I feel like
it's a lot, because they'll say it mention it now
quite a bit when when it appears people see it.
So people are still watching all the time, which is awesome.
I mean for you guys, it's amazing, right.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean people, we we asked every guest.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
We have mean more facial hair on than you, guys,
but you still look really good and young.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And you I was thinking the same thing about you.
I was like, she looks exactly the same as she
doesn't A dream sequence from You're nearly thirty years ago?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, thank you thinking just from makeup? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Have your kids seen you on Boy Meets World? Have
they ever watched any of.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Your long time ago? But they're not. They're busy. My
oldest is twenty six.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
He's a costume designer, so always working in busy, busy
and television, theater, all kinds of stuff. So right now
he is down in Florida doing hits.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The musical Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And I have a middle guy, Brian, That that was Matthew.
Brian is going into the Naval Academy. He's a senior
in high school. So he's a gymnast.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
He's going to be on the gymnastics team next year
at the Navy.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
We just found out everything is all set, so he's
going for sure. And then I have a we have
a daughter who is a freshman in high school and
she's in a conservatory ballet company, so she's They're super
driven and no skaters.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
No Matthew tried.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
And by the way, his name is Matthew Eric, which
I thought it was Eric Matthew, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Eric.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Matthew decided on it.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
My husband got on the phone and he told someone
whose name is Matthew Eric, and I was like, well,
like seconds ago, we just decided And it wasn't after
the character or anything, but happened to be weird coincidence.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
That's so funny. Will's gonna tell everybody you have a
son named after him.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, from now on.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
But there they it definitely as a parent made our
job a lot easier that they found passion and something
that they are super involved and invested in because they
just you know, they know you have goals, you have
to work hard, and so you know, yeah, real, they
can't really not work hard if you have high goals.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So I have a close friend of mine wrestled at
Annapolis and it's that is not an easy place to
get into. My father's retired at Navy Reserve. He's a
captain and he so that I mean, that's congratulations. I mean,
graduations to all your kids. But getting into Annapolis as
an athlete is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
And men's gymnastics is pretty tough because there's only fifteen
colleges that have NCAA who teams, so for the men,
really challenging to get to get in there. But he
had a couple of other opers, but this was I
think going to be the best one, and it's the
best fit for him. So he leaves soon, you know,
and you graduate high school and then boom he's gone.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
It's going to be crazy big changes for us.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, Writer and I have have younger children. Writer has
an eight year old son and I have a three
and a half year old son and a seventeen month
old son. So the idea that like, for Writer, he's
been thinking about it, like, really, only ten more summers
before that's.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
All I get.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I'm already like, oh god, Then you know, we're like
halfway through his child. We have to get we have
to start planning this and figuring out how we want
to spend our time together, because it goes by so.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Fast, so fast.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, Matthew, the one that's in Florida now, he just
bought his first apartment in New York. He moved when
he was nineteen and started working. He did, and he's
just worked ever since. So at twenty five, he could
buy his own apartment in New York.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I mean it's but he's named after me.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Well, so they leave and when they're working and not
going to college, you don't get those breaks so to
come home.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
He's like, well, I'm working, I can't come home.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Right, So you know Coco Melon, of course I do.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Okay, they're on tour. He built those costumes, had those
all built, and it's so funny, went much. My daughter
went with her friends. We had like the oldest kids
in the audience. It was so funny. So they're on
tour and he you know, I'm oh, Matthew's gonna come
home this weekend and then they he said, no, no,
this elephant's head keeps falling off.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I can't And I was like not really something I
ever thought my son would be saying.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
What that words were?
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Oh my gosh, so I ever propose to cocoa melon?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
It's so so funny.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
We talk a lot on this podcast about like fame
pre internet, and the pros and cons of fame pre internet,
and just really briefly, I want to touch on the
fact that you were the victim of an attack in
ninety four, and it's a rather infamous event, and looking
back on it now, one of the things that strikes
(29:41):
me is how many jokes were made after the fact
at your expense. Very strange, right, do you think had
if something like that were to happen today, how do
you think it would be handled? Like, do you think
it would be hands differently?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I don't know, I would say. Even still today there's
half hour comedic shows and it's mentioned. I'm like, it's
almost thirty Still presidents have mentioned like you didn't you
haven't come up.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
With something better at the or newer to to I
think it's funny. I don't know, it's see. I don't
think it's anything funny to be attacked.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, it had to have been an extremely traumatic
event for you.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
It was the hardest heart.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
I think still is like Halloween because people will dress
up as me Antonia Harding and you know, think it's funny,
or dress up their small children.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Now you guys have small kids, Like would you think
to dress one up.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
As never one as a villain? Like but whatever, I would?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Who do this? I don't.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
It's song And then like so now with since it's
not pre media like in social media, it's they tagged
me like, hey, thanks so much. I didn't think about
being attach today. Glad, you know, And and to put
that spin on it, it makes it like it's funny.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It's it's not, no, it's it was real life, Like
what are you thinking? I don't know?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So people, I have a theory.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I have a theory about why people joked about it
at the time and are still joking about it, And
it's because of the way you handled it, which was
with such class and you just you you just.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Skated, that's all you did.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You you went and did your job, and you did
it with such again elegance in class that I think
people were like, well, she's not talking, so I'm gonna
fill it with with noise because you were like, yeah,
I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna justify this.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm here to do what I gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I got a job that I'm really good at that
I've worked my whole life for.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And because again you had that grace, everyone was like, well,
I'll fill the void. And I that's my theory of
why it happened, because I don't I believe. I don't
believe enough people talk about how you handled the whole situation.
They talk about everything else, but very little about how
you just took it and went I'm putting it over there.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I'm doing what I gotta do.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm focused on what I gotta do, which is what
an athlete does, a world class athlete does. I've been
working my whole life to get here. Nothing's gonna stop me,
and That's what I'm gonna do. And I think people
took that as like almost like, yeah, well then I'll
I'll fill in the void. And so that's always what
I thought was there was And it's like, why don't
we hear more about the fact that Nancy handled that
(32:50):
like an actual champion handle stuff. But you know, you don't,
you very very rarely hear about that side, which I
always found very odd.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, it's I appreciate all. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
It's a funny thing because I think people a credit.
The nineties in skating was like booming. We had tours
that don't even exist now. I mean one tour I
did had ninety six ninety four shows through like a
couple months, and we just went from city to city
to city, touring all over the place.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
And now that doesn't even exist. But people would say, oh,
well because of the attack, And I'm like, is that true?
Speaker 7 (33:31):
And like even signing up your kid to go take
baseball or skating, Like people, would you have signed your
kid up for skating?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
If I decided this is crazy? People?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Are you know what is wrong with this? And didn't
do what you're saying, like, move forward and if possible,
if I can be healthy enough, go do it. Go
do what I've been training for. Because if I just
took back then maybe that would have been different. I
think I'd only say it now because it's so long
in the past. It's almost like different person at this point.
(34:03):
But it's if I didn't show up at the Olympics,
if I didn't get to compete, would there have.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Been the boom?
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Maybe not, you know, So it's more about the positive
that comes from something negative that should be looked at
as this is why it is not the negative act
that didn't cause the great boom of skating, you know,
it's it's the positive part of it that did.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah. And I even did a show before going to
the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
A bunch of people came out just so I could
perform in front of people. I didn't know what it
would be like eruption of you know, clapping or what.
And so friends came and perform with me so that
I could just have some experience first, and like they
were positive by helping, you know, by being part of that.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
And I think it's all.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
That, all that positivity that was a result of people
like handling it well, I guess, but yeah, who knows.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I mean, moving on after something like that requires like
such intense and just strength of character. What did you
do right after that to put your head down and
ignore all the noise when it's all anyone could talk about?
How did you separate yourself and move on?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I think the actual immediate at the moment of being attached,
my dad actually heard me, so he scooped me up
and carried me into a room. And my little cousin,
who's like seventeen years younger, she was like five years old.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
I think maybe she.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Was The door opened and I saw her face look
like is she going to die?
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Yeah, because I was in pain, so I was screaming
and the door shut and I said, open the door,
have her come in here, and because little kid doesn't
need to be scared, like I'm hurt, but I'm not dying,
like I could see on her face fear and I'm like, no, no,
it's okay. I'm going to be okay. And I think
that just jolted me right into this. This sucks, this
(36:04):
isn't this is bad. Someone else can handle what's happening outside.
But right now I'm okay, you know. And I didn't
know if i'd walk again, I didn't know if i'd
skate again, but I was like, I was okay, So
I just want to I think having her there actually,
maybe who knows, helped me a lot. Imagine a little
(36:25):
five year old, but maybe that puts it in perspective.
And then after it's just my mom's been blind, my
whole life. I think that always comes into play watching
my dad like help so much and her everything the
way everything is now, it's flat screens, flat, so cool.
(36:47):
But when you can't feel a button hard, everything's a challenge.
So like, Okay, this isn't so bad.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
You know.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
It's being able to learn perspective and having empathy for
others and going, yeah, this could be worse, but if possible,
I'm going to get get my job done.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
So, I don't know, just coming from normal like people
that were there, like, oh, you wanted to still do this, sorry,
let's make it happen.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Well, I'm so glad that it wasn't mentioned on Boy
Meets World at all. We had you there because you
were an a phenomenal Olympic ice skater, and it was
just not that was not a part of the story.
It had nothing to do with that. And uh, it's
one of the things that I think makes all of
us so proud of so many different elements of Boy
Meets World is that we really did those.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah it was. It was a ton of fun.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And by the way, we're not even gonna get into it,
but you did get your job done, and that's a
whole nother story. You absolutely got your job done. That's
a whole different thing.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I do.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I do want to tell one story of me putting
my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And yes, please, I love these. I love it mouth stories.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh man, As I said to Danielle, open open mouth,
insert skate. So we were sitting there and we were talking,
you know, in between shooting. We were both bundled up
with with blankets and everything we could possibly have, and
and we were just talking. We're just having a nice
conversation and you said something where it was like, yeah,
I've got to right after this, I've got to go
to rehab for for your leg. You know, you were
(38:17):
you were going to be doing something, but I didn't
know what you were talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You said, yeah, I've got to go, and I went,
really for what?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Just not just we're having a normal conversation. You're like, yeah,
I've got to go, you know, a therapy. I just
said I've got to go at therapy And I went
really for what? And you looked them and you went yeah,
but you did you at that, you know, you know
the thing with my leg and that. By that point
I was like uh and I went, oh, oh yeah,
how's that going? And luckily by that point they went
(38:49):
all right, we need you guys back in the set.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It's like, oh thank god, Like I just oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Say things like even recently someone said.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Something to me and then they're like, oh, that's not
funny to you, probably right, like and I'm like, well,
you know, you have to appreciate the innocence of like oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Mean, does anyone ever say to you before you go
out for a performance break a leg?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah? You know what.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
Christya Magucci and I've been, for instance, like I was fifteen,
she was thirteen. And what's really funny is that she
said it while I was doing Dancing with the Stars.
She was like, oh Nancy, and she had her daughters
like hold up a sign, break a leg. People are
all over her like what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Why are you I'm like, oh, seriously, it's good luck.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
It's not She didn't mean any harm by Yeah. I'm like, Chris,
don't worry about this.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
And like you said, for you, it's so long ago
now it almost feels like a different person. I'm sure
for Christy who's known you, yeah, it's yeah exactly. She
she meant it with just the purest of intentions, the
way we all say break a leg before a performance,
and yet of course that it didn't come across that
way to other people.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
The ballerinas say mad, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Shit in French?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I found out why why right? Like it's something No,
it's when.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Years and years ago when the ballet would come, they
were so excited when there would be lots of this
on the ground because that means they were to have
a big audience because there was lots of horse drawn
carriages and lots of horses there, and so they were
going to have a great audience. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I love hearing industry stuff that you don't know about.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
The more the better the audience.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Well, i'd actually heard there's multiple theories about break a
leg too, because I've also heard that it's about if
if you had to do if you were going to
do a second encore, a second curtain call, the lead
actor would break their leg, meaning that they would tuck
their leg behind their other leg to indicate to all
the other actors on stage, we're going to come back
out do another bow.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
So if the.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Audience was really enjoying the show, the lead actor would
break their legs and then everybody would know that it
went well that night. But there's also alternate theories. But
that's that's the one I've heard. I'm like, I like
that one.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
That's too because I heard it was like the wings
on the side of the stage and they were like
breaking it, like don't get on stage, basically breaking.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
See.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The one I heard is John Wilkes booth jumping.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
When Wilkes Booth jumps off after he shoots Lincoln, he
jumps off on the stage and he broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It doesn't predate that, really, no, I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
So it was it was started in the eighteen sixties,
is what I Again, I could be complete.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
So he broke his leg, and then why would we
say that to.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Wish them because the show it was there was a
whole theory about it. It was like the show which
was our American cousin at the time at Ford's Theatre
was going very well, and so it is it's kind
of like the it's kind of saying the opposite. It's
it's wishing you good luck by wishing bad luck. And
then there's this whole breakdown of it came out. It
was very strange I have my favorite discuss.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
I did a play in Australia and they say chuck
us before you go on stage, which means, I hope
you win a chicken, because in the old Australian tradition
they would tour around Australia and if you did well,
the town that you came to would provide you with
chicken so the actors could eat that night.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
So it's just such like an old chuck as I
love it.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, that's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, well, Nancy, we are honestly just so grateful that
you came here and did this little conversation with us,
but also more importantly, we are so proud to have
you in the lexicon of incredible Boy Meets World guest stars.
You are just incredibly classy and we just admire you
(42:47):
so much and are so thankful that you spent your
spent any of your time not only here with us
today but doing Boy Meets World. And one of the
things we've talked about is that we are trying to
invent a time machine and master time travel so that
we could go back and do things that didn't get
to do then, and one of them is I'd like
to have you on the set of Boy Meets World
out of Lake Placid? Have you on set with us
spending time with all of us?
Speaker 6 (43:09):
I think for ever a reboot or something, Yep, call me,
I'll I'd love to do it.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
And I just want to say before we go, it
sounds like we're getting to the end there. But there
was I did a show the other night in Boston
and there was a woman that came up to me.
She was like, they mentioned you on the podcast The
Boyman's World podcasting a couple months ago, and I was like, oh, well,
I'm doing it Tuesday, and she's like, what really from Boston,
Like they've changed my life.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
So you guys have changed people's lives for the better.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
And Jen in Boston was like thrilled that I was
going to be part of it, and she's like a
huge fan, and so I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Just that is so nice.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Was awesome.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
It was it was random. She had no idea it
was going to be on.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well, yeah, we've kept we've kept you a secret.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I have I have one quote, have a couple questions.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
The first is very briefly, if we manage to go
to Boston, will you come out and hang out with us.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Of course, we'd love to see you in person. That's great.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Second, unfortunately, we are nowhere near actually inventing the time
travel machine. I know, it's really just still in the
design phases at this at this point.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, we have a Google doc going.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
It's working, it's not going well. Third, and very briefly,
because you mentioned this at the beginning, if you marry
your agent, do they still get ten percent?
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Well, but I get it all back anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
That's right, That's what I'm Okay, I'm just curious how
I was curious how that was working.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Okay, all right, Will.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Thinking about marrying his agent.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Now he's like, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 6 (44:44):
He's super nice.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He treats me well. I could do a lot worse.
I think it's going to be a tough conversation with
my wife.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
But for ten percent, technically would be fifty percent of
the ten percent.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yes, I think you're right. I got to do the math.
It's never good with me.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh my, Nancy, thank you so much for being here
with us. And we are actually going to hit you
up about that Boston situation. We're gonna we're gonna we'd
like to do a face to face reunion.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
That would be fun. I'd love it.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
Thanks guys, it was an honor to be part of
the show and to in the podcast as well with
all of you.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Thank you so much. Lit again was Seriously, I've said
it before and I'll say it again. It was one
of my favorite memories of Boy Metrol that always will be.
It was such a magical day for me. So thank
you for making it so cool.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
It really was. It really was a ton of fun.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Thank you, bye, Thanks bye, oh Man, so classy and inspiring.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I'm not gonna take.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Anything away from Aksana Bayule, obviously, but Nancy Carrigan won
that Olympics.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
She won the gold medal med Olympics.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
She I'm sorry, and again Axana trains in the town
next to where I grew up in Connecticut, So certainly
not trying to take anything away from her, but with
not only with everything she came she went through, but
when you actually watch I know a little bit about skating.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I dated a skater for a while and.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Got was she the actress who played the skater on
Boy Meets World? Because no, she was dated everyone.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
She was.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
She was the in h double hockey stick. She was
the stand in skater for the actual skater.
Speaker 4 (46:14):
There skater and we dated for years.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Her name was Quila and we dated for years, and
she was was picked to be the Canadian national figure
skating champion and then got mono the year she everyone
thought she was Yeah, so, but she was in this
world for a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Difficult would you give her mono?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I didn't. This was before me.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Thanks, okay, all right, But she.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Showed me a bit about this world, so I, you know,
got into it and watched a little bit of it.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And when you watch Nancy Kerrigan's program forgetting even everything
she went through to get there.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
She won that Olympics, so it's that they you know,
there's a lot of theories as to why she actually
was given the silver instead of the gold, and then
there's very little spoken about how she handled that entire
situation because she handled it like an actual ampion, where
she's like, Nope, not going to talk about it, not
going to mention it, not going to do press conference,
(47:04):
is not going to do any of there still does
It's going to rehab and skate.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
That is my job.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
And she have been thinking about what you know what
Danielle's first question to her about the situation, you know,
the difference between the nineties and now, and you know,
I it's hard to like remember the nineties, like the
early nineties and then all the way up through the
oughts where that tabloid time, like it's a different it
was a different press mentality where there would be literally
(47:31):
one story, whether it's Monica Lewinsky, Princess Diana or you know, whatever,
there would be and like usually the more frivolous and petty,
the bigger it would become. And it would just become
this fever over the nation for.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Like months, Yeah, and anybody would talk.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
About and then and it was like, and you know,
it's just that we've talked about this before, but that monoculture,
it was like it almost becomes it's it's becomes a
self perpetuating cycle because it's like the only way you
the only thing people like, only thing comedians can reference
in their stand up, The only thing like SNL can
do bits about. The only thing that like if you
meet a stranger in the street you can sort of
have in common is.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
Like, oh, how do you feel about Nancy Kerrigan and
Tanya Hart it's like who gives a crap?
Speaker 5 (48:14):
You know, at a certain point, like you hear about
the actual attack, you hear about okay, criminal charges or whatever.
Maybe that's like wow. But for it to like grip
a nation and become this like soap opera, it's just
it's and I don't think that that would happen the
same way today. I don't think because I feel like,
you know, these kinds of stories would they might crop up,
(48:35):
but then hopefully now we're more sensitive to the to
the multiplicity of sides, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Like at the time, you know, all narratives.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Really I feel like the narratives back then would be
really easily compartmentalized into good guy, bad guy or good girl,
bad girl, villain hero, and like I feel like that's
more like nowadays things are much quickly, much quicker to
be reassessed for better or worse, you know, because then
everybody has an opinion, and then everybody has a side,
(49:05):
and so everything sort of loses meaning half the time.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We're also we as a society now have we have
no patience and we have no staying power. So twenty
four to forty eight hour cycle and you move on
to the next story. That's I don't think it has
anything to do with reevaluating the sides. I think it's
just what's next, what's next, what's next? Nobody can wait
for anything. We need to be barraged with as much
imagery and horribleness as we possibly can, and it becomes
(49:33):
all encompassing. It's like two days now was two months
back in the nineties. Because you know, the thing about
the tiny hearting Nancy Kerrigan thing is when you when
you watch the whole story, it was pretty gripping because
when they, you know, actually had to go to the Olympics,
they had to practice on the same ice.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
They were there at the same time.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Tanya is Tanya Harding is is about to be kicked
off the team.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
They don't know if she's even going to make it
to the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
She's under the chances are she's going to be, you know,
indicted for attacking a fellow skater or having people attack
or whether she knows about it, whether she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
But people can speculate all they want.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
But then you've got Nancy Carrigan, who was America's sweetheart
and they've got to skate around each other with an
audience even just to practice. I think even now that
would be pretty grippulo.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
See nowadays those But see nowadays, everybody involved with it
would have instant access to basically publish their opinions or
publish their own point of view, whereas back then it
was always filtered by you know, Ruper Murdoch or whoever
was running the tabloids, you know, who could sort of
control the narrative, whereas like now, like Nancy Carigan would
be able to tweet, would be able to put on Instagram.
(50:45):
Everybody would be able to publish their own thoughts and
their own for better or worse. I'm I'm just saying
it's different. It's very different. Yeah, And I think part
of that difference is that that hopefully people are empowered
to at least express themselves, Like you know, Nancy Carigan
would have able to say at the time, I'm just
going to skate, like you know, some sort of version
of like presenting that classiness that you pointed out, Like,
(51:07):
you know.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Maybe that would have been better.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Maybe I don't know who it's you know, I wonder
anyone would have said anything. I don't think, I don't know, Yeah,
it doesn't seem like she wants she would have, But
you know, the flip side is what she also pointed
out was that people tag her when they dress their
kids up, like.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, I think what what gets lost so much?
Speaker 6 (51:23):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Like what we talked about with her, this was probably
the most one of the most traumatic things that had
ever happened to her up until that point in her life.
And to even then, what she mentioned that I hadn't
even really ever thought of, is even just gaining the
confidence to go back out in front of a group
(51:44):
of people and do what you had been had been
doing your entire life, not knowing how has it changed?
Speaker 4 (51:51):
How?
Speaker 3 (51:51):
How what is the perception of me now? What will
the response be? Will they clap? Will they like? I
don't think anybody could really even fathom how difficult that
was for her, and she had to just bury her
head in the sand. I mean, it would have been
impossible for her to block out that noise. And now, still,
like she said, thirty years later, she still can't really
block it out because she gets tagged in things and
(52:12):
people bring it up. So yeah, I mean, it really is.
It's very interesting, you know, I really I don't know
how it would be different. I know it would be
different now if it were to happen again. But it's
truly remarkable what she, you know, went through and what
she's accomplished in her life, and you know, then she
was on Boymet's world.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
It just it sucks a little bit that with all
all of her accomplishments, one of the things she's going
to be remembered for is something that was done to her.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, she had nothing to do with it was done
to her.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And it's like, man, I just worked my ass off
for twenty years to do this.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
And my hope is, like she mentioned that there was
a lot of positives that still came out of it. Yeah,
that people who may have never known anything about ice skating.
Who's maybe and you know intro to ice skating? Is
what tell me about this attack? And then and who
did it happen to? And what is she famous for?
Let me look up a video of her and then
you you know the So one hopes that the ripple
(53:09):
effect becomes an education about who she is as a whole,
instead of this one part of her life that she
had no control over that was you know, traumatic for her,
But I love that she.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Was a Boy Meets World fan. I know love that
she was a Boy meets World fan. And I've seen
Girl Meets World two. I think that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, it is cool. Well, thank you for joining us
for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you
can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You
can send us your emails pod Meets World Show at
gmail dot com. Jen in Boston send us an email.
Thank you for thinking of us and mentioning us to Nancy,
and as always, again we have merch ha hat. He
(53:46):
sounded a little like the serie Ghost. Yes, ellel.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
We're so funny, my lord.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, there you go. I love waking up every morning to.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
That podmeetsworldshow dot com. We will see you next time.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
We love you all. Pod dismissed.
Speaker 5 (54:06):
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and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,
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