Nobody’s Angel (Ali & Sarah) Meets World

Cory & Shawn walked into quite a diner during their Season 6 road trip, throwing a little Y2K pop into the Boy Meets World universe. And now, almost 30 years later, we can’t help ourselves. It’s time to welcome 2 former members of Nobody’s Angel, Ali Navarro and Sarah Christine Smith, to Pod Meets World!

Not only does the gang finally learn how the singers ended up as their co-stars, they also hear the origins of the girl group, and their connections to Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Britney Spears!
Plus, we learn all about the harsh realities of the music biz and how you survive while trying to make it big. It’s a bubblegum dream come true, and this time Rider isn’t dying inside…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
H m hm hm hm m hmm.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Have we have We officially run out of it to say,
after thirty years, has it happened? Finally we cooked him upot.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We could talk about these zombies.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
And he was genuinely pissed that you got to see
it before him. He's like, it's coming out.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm like, yeah, I think Will's already got his cop
He's like, what, why does he get a copy? I
was like, he's got a podcasting so cute.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I was like, he really wants to be like the
first to see everything.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I was like, Oh, it's great, that's so funny.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Adler was trying. I was trying to explain to Adler
what a mirror is and what it means. And I
was like, so we're one of the first people to
see it, and he's like, are there going.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
To be a lot of people there?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
And I was like, yeah, there's gonna be a lot
of people there, and he's like, then it's not that
big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
We're not like.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I was like, okay, no, no, never mind, fine, whatever whatever. Also,
Adler dancing before the movie, so they had two DJs
in the balcony sections of the l Capitan, one for
the Daybreaker side and one for the Vampire side, and
they like and everybody got bracelets and you were either

(01:32):
assigned to the vampires or the Daybreakers and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Just like this whole really fun thing.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
And Adler is literally I don't even know where he
learned this move, but he's doing the sprinkler. Hell yes,
just in his seat doing the sprinkler and then going yeah,
totally dancing up a storm. Casey Strow, incredible dancer from
high school musical, taps me on the shoulder. She's like, Danielle,

(01:58):
lease tell me he's in dance because he clearly has
the bug.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
When is this kid gonna have time to take another
class to do something else?

Speaker 5 (02:08):
What I said? I said he was in dance, and
he had a dance class. He loved it. But guess what,
he's now moved on to something else that he loves.
I can't order to suggest a dance class. He'd be like, yeah,
I should do that. He'd be fine. He wants to
be booked day to night.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Wow, that's the opposite of Indie, because Indy has always
been able to dance too, Like he used to do
it when he was like three.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I remember Michael Jackson. Like I remember the school.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
His preschool sent us a video because they started playing
beat It or whatever at the school and having a
dance party and they were just like look at this
and it was just Indy just going crazy and we
were like, dude, you got to take classes. We got
him in one class. He hated it and he's never
gone back. And then he did The Descendants recently, a
play version of The Descendants, and he was playing Prince

(02:56):
Ben or King Ben or whatever, the main guy who
who is like supposed to be sort of drawn to
the dark side and the course of it, and so
there's you know, there was some dancing, but the way
Indy played it was like, oh, I'm not I'm not
going to dance, and then oh, I'll follow the moves
because they're like teaching himbout it. And he again can
still dance like crazy, but he's doing it all in

(03:17):
this sort of like ironic half assed way on stage
where like you are so frustrating, like just Tom. But
if I ask him to take on anything, a class,
something he.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
Likes to do, what I have to do that I
already do gymnastics, I already take singing lessons and it's like, yeah,
but you were good, okay, dude, like everything happening.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
It's.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, kids are frustrating in the same way.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
I don't want to take a bunch of classes.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, no you would.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yes, my son is you and I'm raising Wilfredell and
I have to get him out of the goddamn house and.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
Now is awesome and that it's a wonderful place. If
I can learn to dance and everything here, that'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
But seriously, that's the only way the music.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Like, the reason that he is, you know, thriving in
piano and singing is because the teacher comes to a house,
like he doesn't have to go anywhere and shut and
he loves it and he has so much fun. So yeah,
maybe I just need to get like a whole acting
class in our backyard going or something, you know, or.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Even for dance stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I'm sure there are you there's a YouTube dance class
that where he could like self teep, you know, he
could be a self taught.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
More screen I hate it, but yes, put on a laptop.

Speaker 8 (04:36):
Yes, screen time makes everything better. That's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I everything, you can YouTube anything now, I can basically
fix this entire house just with YouTube.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
The greatest cousin is the most incredible woodworker, all self
taught from YouTube.

Speaker 8 (04:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
I mean he made his family's twelve foot dining table
and twelve chairs gorgeous, like has.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Every tool you could possibly imagine. Incredible.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
It takes forever because he also has a full time job,
so he does it like on the side. But man,
it's you can you can teach yourself anything.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
Yeah, YouTube is the best.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
You don't have to leave your house. You don't have
to have anybody else come into your house.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Right, how did it happen that you are raising Wilfred oll?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
How did this?

Speaker 8 (05:26):
What's what's indies? Branda smokes? What is He's ten?

Speaker 7 (05:29):
Now?

Speaker 8 (05:29):
So is he? Is it camelites?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Because I didn't find camelites till twelve. I started with parliaments,
so I didn't know what his pick was.

Speaker 8 (05:39):
Okay, it's interesting. It's a very personal choice when you're ten.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, oh my god. I have to come
to terms with it.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I have to like embrace, you know, I have to
that this is like the parenting challenge now, and I
know it's everybody, but like.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Just meeting him where he is, you know, and not
like trying to change him because.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
You have to because we're not going anywhere else, so
you got to me that's where we are.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
But it's just crazy because I think, you know, I
think I thought. I think I thought of this, what
I'm going through right now with Indy. I thought would
happen when he's like thirteen fourteen. You know, I sort
of have to let him go. But like I don't
know if it's him or just kids in general, or
it's just the reality that I never understood is that,
like by ten, you already feel like they're kind of

(06:23):
who they're going.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
To be, and you just have to get out of
their way, support them, and like validate all the time.
You know, it''s constantly like it's okay that you're.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Feeling this way about having to go to gymnastics class,
you still have to go, Yeah, like trying to like
change his feelings and be like.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You should like it, you always like it. What are
you talking about? Why are you you know?

Speaker 4 (06:42):
No, that's like a useless twenty minute like argument, Whereas
if I just go.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, man, gymnastics is hard.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
That must suck to have to go there, all right,
get out of the car, we're there, and then and
then he comes back, haven't had the best time.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's so frustrating because Keaton's the same way. Keaton would
pick him up from school. It's like, Okay, we're going
to karate karate. No turn the car that way, please,
I don't want to go to karate. Thirty minutes of crying,
hysterics or you know, trying to distract him, give him
a snack, anything, and then.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Time to go out on the mat. Goes out on
the mat, comes back. How is karate great? I love it.
It's like, where is this energy?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
And then you're and then with and I'll be like,
and now we have to do homework.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Ok yeah, It's like it's just every every transition, yes.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's That's just the way.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it's also we had, especially writer, you and I
had like a balance growing up where we both grew
up kind of in the woods, and so you would
have your time with your friends in the woods. We
were motorcycler, we were we were camping, we were finishing smoking,
we were but then I would go to the city
to do my auditions. Like then I had kind of

(07:55):
a work thing. So you had that balance, which a
lot of people don't, especially when you're in a city.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
If you live in La you don't have that same
kind of But.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Do you guys remember when we interviewed my parents and like,
I feel like this question came up at some point
about like how they raised us or how they were raised,
and my dad was like, no, we just let them
do whatever they wanted after the age of ten. Do
you remember he said that. He was like, we just
figured they were done. And I'm kind of you know,
at the.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Time, I was like, was that good?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Was that a good idea? Like that seems kind of
like you were maybe just letting us, you know, be
raised by wolves or whatever.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
But now I'm kind of like, no, I think maybe
that was right. Like, there's not much to do, Andy,
you're on your own.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Good luck kid, right, get an agent, start making some money,
save for college.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
What is this guy?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Get there, But I'm just gonna get out of your
way at this.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Come on, let's take your bus to New York, let's
go die your porn mags, your cigarettes, and you're just
let's go.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
Pretty well, I mean, what is he waiting for?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
No, I mean really, it's the difference between like like
when up until I would say eight or nine, and
certainly by ten, I feel like I feel like there
was this transition of you know, parenting, like I have
to I have to tell him what's right or wrong
or how you know, to do this or to not
do that. And now I feel like the best thing
I can do is just be like a model, Like

(09:18):
just be a heroic model, and who's who's cool and
that he like looks up to it and hopefully wants
to hang out with and like it's just a different thing,
like he doesn't automatically want to hang out with me anymore.
Like you know, up until like eight, everything I did
was cool, and man did I take advantage of that.
So it felt so good. But now I'm like, you know,
he's gonna roll his eyes at me most of the time.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
So the best of the Cradle is a good song.
Cast in the Cradle is a good song, man.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's why it lasts.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
It's because it's just that, that's it. Yeah, it's crazy.
This is another reason all these problems you're going through. No,
not to have any children, it's none of the.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I don't have to worry about any of these things
at all ever, And I still don't want to go
to karate. I have a white belt fourteen different forms
of correct guys, did.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
We make three?

Speaker 8 (10:06):
I don't know if we made three.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I made three. I don't know that Will made two.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
But but again, I'm a I'm a white belt in
forty two different forms of martial arts.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
So back up, that's all I gotta say.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Care plod sport staring wildell hell.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm
rather strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Boy Meets World didn't rely on the celebrity cameos the
way the Brady Bunch or Scooby Doo did.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
But when we did.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Shamelessly reach for the ratings bait of stunt casting, we
made it count. Corey is feeling down on himself and
needs some fastball inspiration. We summons Jim Abbott. Eric is
on thin ice and needs a little skating fantasy.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Someone get Nancy Kerrigan on the line.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Tapanga needs to be low key sexually harassed by an
old man.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
With a broccoli fetish. Well, you know who to call.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
And if Corey and Sean are gonna make a quick
diner stop on their road Trip for Independence. It's only
logical they'd run into a bubblegum pop girl group looking
to hit it big and escape the strict confines of
their a whole boss slash Lonely Father, and for that
producers called Nobody's Angel. Ali Navarro, Stacy Harper, Amy, Sue Hardy,

(11:29):
and Sarah Smith were signed to the Disney adjacent Hollywood Records,
having just released their solo self titled album, and the
label was always looking for ways to get them out there,
and through a series of events that we will learn
more about today, Nobody's Angel found their way into the
lives of Corey and Sean co starring in the season
six Fever Dream road Trip and performing their song I

(11:51):
Can't help Myself to a very awkward rider strong, Oh.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Brilliant, just so ugh, just kiss, It's wonderful.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
How did this happen? What do they remember? And whatever
happened to Nobody's Angel?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
On this week's podcast, we welcome.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Two real life members of Nobody's Angel, two musicians who
also participated in a number of other projects that are
so y two K. We ask that you break out
your Tamagatchi's just as a safety measure, and we have
so many questions just based on their wikipedias. Was it
fun as a backup dancer for Britney Spears and justin Timberlake?

(12:28):
What's it like writing and performing pop music for kids
under an alias?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
And Orange Wig?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
But again, most importantly, how did you end up on
the set of Boy Meets World? Let's find out now
and welcome Ali Navarro and Sarah Christine Smith, formerly of
Nobody's Angel to this week's Pod meets World.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Hello, Hi, thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh my gosh, thanks for being here. We made it happen.
We're having a reunion.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, guys, are you ready to do your song?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Me?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Me, me, me do your war mubs man, Thank you
both so much for joining us. I'm going to assume
you still work in a small town diner for your
dad and patrons come in and you sing for them
on your breaks.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Is that true?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Let's start with some Nobody's Angel history. How did the
group originally come together?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Was everyone from LA not originally?

Speaker 9 (13:35):
No, I'm from Michigan originally. I think Ali, you're the
only one from LA originally, right?

Speaker 7 (13:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (13:41):
I am born raised Callie Girl, So I met everybody
here in California.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Nice to see you, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Even think about the fact that you too, probably hadn't
seen each other in a long time.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
It's been a couple of months.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
Like we did like a podcast for Canada a couple
of months ago, and that was the last time we
saw each other, but only on zoom because she lives
in Canada.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Okay, so you're originally Sarah, you're originally from Michigan.

Speaker 9 (14:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
How did the band then come together? How did you
guys get formed?

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Well?

Speaker 9 (14:12):
I moved out to la to be a professional dancer.
So I was doing a dance scholarship at a studio
and I was at an audition one day and I
met Ali and it was for the Drew Carey Show, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Were you guys both auditioning for the same part?

Speaker 9 (14:32):
Yeah, okay, yes, yes, it was at more Orlandis. I
don't even know if that's still around, do you that
it's not there anymore?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
No?

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Gone?

Speaker 9 (14:45):
So, yeah, we would see each other periodically at auditions,
and then we worked with a producer who, yeah, had
an idea for a band, and we all knew each
other and so we were like, let's do the thing.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
So we did it, and so did the producer know
the four of you individually or did you guys?

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Yes and no.

Speaker 10 (15:06):
So his name was it was a production company, Nine
Ground Productions, and it was Andrew.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
And I worked with Andrew before doing like.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
Demos because I started my career as an actress singer,
so I was doing like solo projects and different like
you know, a lot of jingles, and that's kind of
how we met. And then Amy Sue from doing musical
theater and she's originally from Missouri. She like was out

(15:39):
here obviously doing the whole auditioning thing, and that's how
we met doing musical theater. And then Stacy was kind
of like the last person to kind of be a
part of the thing.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
And so I think Sarah and I started.

Speaker 10 (15:51):
Doing the original demos for Nobody's Angel and I started
shopping it.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
And I know Stacy.

Speaker 9 (15:59):
From dance because she's a dancer, so I worked with
her a lot as a dancer.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
So yeah, wow, And so Ali, this also Nobody's Angel.
Wasn't your first girl group on a family sitcom?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You were a part of Zoom.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
Oh my god, how did you know that.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Zoom was on Sabrina The teenage Witch.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Yes, So okay, So that was with.

Speaker 10 (16:23):
Holly Field's my friend Crystollette that I did Jesus Christ
Superstar with, and obviously Jenna Green who is in the show.
And that's crazy, and so this deal was just going
to be for Japanese audience only, so we were working
with a producer that's really known in that the Japanese market.

(16:46):
And so, you know, as as a performer, just hustling
right like I was in that group and Nobody's Angel.
But in my heart, I always knew that Nobody's Angel
had the potential of just like really blowing up because
we had a strong production as far as songs, like
our songs were strong, and I just also felt a

(17:08):
connection with Sarah and Amy, Sue and Stacy, Like I
just knew in my heart that this was gonna go somewhere.
We had no deal yet, but it just but I
was kind of like I had one foot in here,
one foot in there.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
We're just doing both.

Speaker 10 (17:21):
And so Jenna actually pitched the idea to her producers
like don't look for a girl group. I have a
girl group. And so that's kind of how that came about,
and unbeknownst to me, like I didn't know who Backstreet
Boys was at the time, and they were just kind
of like kicking it off in the States. I guess
they were huge overseas, yes, and all of a sudden,

(17:44):
like later on, I was like, oh my god, that's
the Backstreet Boy right were a couple dudes.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, Oh that is so funny.

Speaker 9 (17:53):
Did I know that you did Sabrina the Teenage.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
With I think you did because it was like.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
She was a girl, she.

Speaker 8 (18:05):
Had four seriously.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
But it's funny because my boyfriend at the time was
on Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And did you guys work together?
Because he was reoccurring, so he wasn't on every episode.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
I think he was in that show.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
But like, it's not like a normal sitcom where you
like have a live audience. They actually like did things
without an audience. So yeah, yeah, certain days we taped,
so I don't I don't think we actually did a
scene together.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
Okay, that's so funny.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
Oh random, that's crazy. That's the homework, guys.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
What a small world.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Okay, Sarah, you mentioned you were more focused on dancing.
You appeared in movies like Austin Powers playing a young
Goldie Hawn and laughing. But you were also seen in
Scream two and She's All that, So that was your
journey to eventually joining the girls group. But I want
to ask you about dancing for Brittany and justin Okay.

(19:15):
You were a backup dancer for them in the early days.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Did you go on the road? I did, and I
did you tour with?

Speaker 9 (19:21):
I toured with Brittany, So I did the very first
mall tour with her.

Speaker 8 (19:29):
It was nice.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
It was well, it was so crazy because we would
go into malls and no one knew who she was, right,
So we'd go in, we'd go shopping before our show,
we'd go to our show, we'd you know, do like
she'd sit and do autographs, we'd go walk around and
it was like, you know, it wasn't the phenomenon that
it became also seeing where she like. And I remember
the first time that I heard her song on the radio,

(19:53):
like I called Jive Records and I was like, you guys,
I just heard it on the radio and they were like,
you know, and then just started blowing up from there.
So yeah, I did that for a while with her,
and then I kind of had to make the choice
because it was right when Nobody's Angel was starting, so
I kind of had to make the choice. And so
I made the choice to go with Nobody's Angel, and

(20:13):
I kind of had to let my touring with Brittany go,
which I was super you know, it was a hard
choice for sure, because touring with the big artist was
one of my dreams as a dancer, and I ended
up doing that with Paul McCartney, so I can't see that.
But we ended up opening up for Brittany, so it
kind of was, you know, a win win all around.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
So and you're going to hit Me one more time
music video? Right, Yeah? Yeah, Wow, what an iconic thing
to be a part of.

Speaker 9 (20:41):
And you know, you never know. I mean you guys know,
when you're on a set, you're doing the best you can.
You're all making this thing, and then you just never
know how it's going to hit. And like Austin Powers
had no idea. Like that was my very first dance audition,
and the girl who actually got the part ended up
getting another job and had to back out. So I

(21:02):
went and I got the call the day before you're
going to go in and you're going to audition for
Mike and Joel Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Mike, Mike and Joel walk in.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
I'm like, oh my god, it's Mike Myers and the
three of us are in the room and I just
have to like freestyle dance in front of them. And
I'm like, oh my god, that's crazy. And they're like, okay, great,
we'll see you tomorrow. I was like, oh god, all right,
I will see you tomorrow. So and then that became
such a huge hit. But you just you just never know, right,
it's so crazy. I mean you got like, can I

(21:31):
ask you guys a question?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (21:33):
Sure, So like the pilot episode, like what what was
the vibes? Like, like, did you right?

Speaker 8 (21:39):
It was the only one on It was the only one.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Replaced someone.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah, I only had two lines. So I was like,
this is you know, this is never gonna happen. Who
cares even if it does get picked up, I'll be
such a small part it will have any effect in
my life.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
There was a different Yeah, there was a different older brother, her,
a different dad, and Topanga wasn't.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
And I didn't even exist.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Yeah, so yeah, totally.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (22:06):
And then the phenomenon that it became like that is
so awesome.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
It was cool. Yeah, came out of nowhere, that's for sure.
I still would rather have been in the Britney Spears video.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Will you would not you?

Speaker 8 (22:17):
I would have killed it in the Britney Spears.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
The funniest person you'll ever meet has lots of talents.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Dancing is not in the top ten.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You don't know that.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
You've never seen me. Bust a move. She's right, I can't.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Dance at all.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I love I love him, and I would want him
to dance for fun.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
But I would not say you should go audition for
anything that requires dance.

Speaker 9 (22:40):
Yeah, exactly do it and take a film crew.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
Yeah, the dance world was not upset. Yeah, seriously, the
dance world was not upset that I chose acting.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
It was Nobody's Angel, the name from the very beginning,
and who came up with the name.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Actually Stacy kind of came up with the name.

Speaker 10 (23:03):
We didn't really have a set name, and we were
just kind of all talking and just kind of you know,
like in between takes and coming up with like, you know,
the vision of what what we're gonna be and the
hopes and the dreams, and somebody was saying something. She's like, oh,
you're Nobody's Angel, and We're like, Okay, that's it and

(23:26):
so so yeah, so we that that that became the
thing and Nobody's angels stuck and and it fits us.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
It fits us.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
Do you remember any other possible names for the band?

Speaker 10 (23:39):
Oh god, no, Now I remember like songs that like
never even made the album, like some they called out
the back Door and oh my god, they're just like.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
A Hollywood that.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (24:07):
But yeah, no, I don't remember if there was other
names that we were considering. That was just like the
one and it was sassy and it was sweet, and
it just kind of kind of gelled, you know, like
you kind of know when that's like the home run.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
It's the perfect amount of edge for Hollid Hollywood Records, Disney, Yeah,
exact with Disney.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
So everything was like, you know, you had to be
you can't be too edgy, you have to be just
you know, reel it back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, how did that happen? You?

Speaker 5 (24:38):
How did you eventually get signed to Hollywood Records?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Oh my god?

Speaker 7 (24:43):
So we so.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
I think at the time, Spice Girls was like huge, right,
so everybody was looking for their own kind of Spice Girls,
and so we just you know, we had like a
strong songs, a strong package, and so we we went
literally from office to office, like we even met with
Magic Johnson had a record company at the time, and

(25:06):
we met with him. We met with Atlantic Warner. I
just think Hollywood for us because a lot of us,
you know, came from different types of either acting, dancing, whatever,
and we had this dream to also do a TV show,
and so we thought, well, you know what, Disney's kind
of like the big machine, you know, and so that

(25:30):
you know, in Hollywood, everything was like so three sixty
and just you know, we're like, I think this is
probably like the best home. So we did have a
couple other offers, we took that one because at the
time we felt it was like the best one for
all the things that we wanted to do.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
And that's kind of how we met.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
Michael Jacobs and got involved with Boy Meets World because
when when they're deciding like what artists from the record
company to put a lot of marketing dollars in, Like
the CEO Michael Eisner at the time, was like, we
have to do a TV show with these girls, and
so we're like yes.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
And so he's like, let's make it happen.

Speaker 10 (26:09):
So that's when I think they started shopping for showrunners.
And that's when Michael Jacobs came around. And I actually
knew Michael Jacobs because I had reoccurred on a show
he produced previously called My Two Dads Keenan, Gregavigan, and
Paul Reiser.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (26:28):
So, and also April Kelly, who also was a co
creator of Boy Meets World. I had she had show
ran a show that I started and called Stanches of
bel Air before My Two Dads. So I know it's
just like so like when everything is supposed to be
like kind of all aligned.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
So yeah, okay, so you go with Hollywood Records because,
like you said, especially back in the day, everything was
all three sixties. You're like, Okay, there's synergy here. We
can do a TV show, we can we can do
all these other things we want. So you meet Michael Jacobs.
He comes in and is now going to start pitching
a show with you guys. Is the show he wants

(27:10):
to pitch about the four of you as waitresses in
a diner?

Speaker 7 (27:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Okay, I was like, is that the show? And he's
going to try to implant it into Boy Meets World?

Speaker 11 (27:22):
What's the show?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
What does he pitch you for the idea for your show.

Speaker 10 (27:26):
I think that came about because it was almost like,
let's start it here and then make it a spin off, right,
like because you guys were like the number one show,
you know, TGI Fridays, right, So it was like, let's
start it there. It was gonna be obviously music related, right,
so we would obviously introduce all of our songs in

(27:50):
kind of music video style, and it would be a
little like a younger, more wholesome sex in the city,
like with a few of the monkeys, like the you know,
like the pounding the pavement of these girls that are
trying to make it big and all the obstacles that
they have to overcome to get there.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
So it was kind of kind of loosely.

Speaker 10 (28:13):
Based about what we all the struggles that led up
to getting a deal, but then even when you get
a deal, there's so many other struggles of just keeping
the deal, right, So it was going to be something
like that in kind of like a dramedy.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
I guess you could say, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
But not but not in front of an audience, not
like sitcom style. It was going to be single camera.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
I don't think it was going to be sitcom style.
I think I think he was trying.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
To like be a G two and kind of like
start it single camera style, although I would have preferred.
I love doing live audience, just coming from a theater background.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
I always rely on Ali for the facts because I
don't remember anything right really, And Ali, what's the answer
to that journal? And she like she knows everyone's names.
She's like yeah, And I just sit there and I
smile and I'm like, yeah, tell me, really we did that?
That was that must have been really fun.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah, No, I don't. I don't know what that's like
to be with people that don't really remember.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
We remember writer, and I remember him everything I do.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Not willing will is our ally and I.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
Love it.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
Well.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Sarah, do you remember when you found out then that
you were gonna be on Boy Meets World?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Do you remember that conversation?

Speaker 9 (29:37):
I remember our meeting with Michael Jacobs.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, how did that go? Tell us everything?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Oh my god?

Speaker 9 (29:44):
I cried.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
There's a lot going on in her life.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
Yeah, Like he was asking us about our families because
he wanted to uh loosely base our characters because we
were going to play ourselves. Like I was going to
be Sarah. She was going to be Ali. So he
wanted to know more about us personally so he could
letely base our characters on our real lives. And for
some reason, whenever I talk about my family, they're lovely,

(30:15):
we're in good terms, but I just cry. And so
he was just asking me personal questions and it just got,
you know, to that place and yeah, it was Yeah,
what I.

Speaker 10 (30:28):
Remember is you were going your family was going through something,
and he really connected because he too his own family
was going through the same struggles and things that you
were going through. And so it was like we were
all crying in the office and.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Let's do let's go.

Speaker 10 (30:51):
Yeah, and that's how it ended up being like Okay, Amy,
Sue and h Stacy Sarah are going to be sisters.
And then so it's like you could see his brain
work really fast at like you know, all the pieces
of the puzzle. And we like had to go back
and like re record the song that we performed on
Boy Meets World because it was like real it was

(31:13):
already finished for the album's sake, but because and our
album hadn't come out yet, so we had we re
recorded the song to kind of fit the fact that
Sarah now and Amy sue we're gonna have like this
arc where it was their dad, you know, like saying
goodbye to their daughters so they can like pursue their

(31:34):
goals and their dreams, and so we had to kind
of change up like who was singing what in the song.
So it was it was really interesting to kind of
like watch it from that particular meeting into like how
you know, everything evolved so well.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Your show must have been kind of a big priority
for Michael, because Michael was developing a lot of shows
in the nineties and not all of them appeared on
Boy Meets World. Yeah, so it must have been like
this was a big priority for him.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
What ended up?

Speaker 5 (32:02):
So you do you So, what are your memories of
being on the show that week?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
What did you have a good time? Did it?

Speaker 9 (32:08):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (32:08):
My god, yes, yes you do.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
I loved it.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
I love it.

Speaker 9 (32:16):
And at that point, I think that was the first
sitcom set I had been on because I did that
seventies show. I did a couple other sitcoms, but I
think all of that came after and just the structure
of the sitcom world was awesome, Like it's like a
family like we did. I did kind of feel like

(32:37):
I was walking into like someone's house, you know what
I mean. And and just to observe the way the
machine worked. It's a well oiled machine. I loved that.
And just the fact that I got to act, dance
and sing, you know, in this perform in this show.
I was like, oh my god, this is so awesome.

(32:57):
But I think I was so wide i that I
don't remember a lot of it, you know, like in
the moment going oh my god, oh my god, oh
my god, oh my god. And you know, Ali's been
on probably a bajillion more sets than me at that point,
so she was probably like, Okay, I get this, I
get this, I can you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
And I was.

Speaker 9 (33:17):
I was pretty wide eyed for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And so do you remember was the core?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Did you guys already have a dance to it choreographed
before you arrived or did you have a choreographer with
you on set helped develop.

Speaker 9 (33:30):
And I choreographed it?

Speaker 10 (33:31):
Yeah, you guys, I think you guys? Did I think,
Oh my god, he was Madonna's Jamie King, Jamie King. Yeah,
And so it was already choreographed because we had spent
all summer going and doing like Radio Disney premieres in
the park kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
So we were doing a Radio Disney.

Speaker 10 (33:53):
Tour, so we had had a dance, so we had
so yeah, so we just had a we find it
and retool it because that little, tiny stage was so little,
and so we had to be like, okay, let's change
it here and do all this little you know, adjusting.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
They didn't remember any of that. Great we readjusted it.

Speaker 7 (34:17):
Everybody needs a Will and an Alley.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yes, yes, did you guys watch the episode then when
it aired?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Did you ever like a premiere party? Was it a
big deal?

Speaker 10 (34:31):
We all went to Andrew and Aaron's house and we
had popcorn, We invited our friends. It was like I
think it was. There wasn't TiVo at the time, so
it was like BCRs. No, we did have a premiere
like at Andrew and Aaron's house. They were the production people,
and we invited everybody we knew and we had we

(34:54):
like had popcorn, we had we had the whole thing,
and we didn't.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Have TiVo back then, so it was like every time
somebody's name came in.

Speaker 10 (35:01):
We were trying to like take like pictures like with
disposable cameras.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
Digital cameras at the time, and then.

Speaker 10 (35:08):
We were trying to rewind, like so to see all
the credits after the show. I think we probably sat
and watched it like four times.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Okay, and then what happens after the show the show airs?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
What happens to the Nobody's Angel TV show, The.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Want Wah wah?

Speaker 9 (35:25):
I do remember this?

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You remember this part the Trauma God?

Speaker 7 (35:30):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
So you know, without like being a five hour podcast,
there's a lot of things that also we didn't know.
And I think once we did find out, we started
taking charge in our own careers and really.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Like being there to make.

Speaker 10 (35:50):
Decisions for us without people making decisions for us. So
the main reason why the show, our show didn't move
forward with Michael Jacobs is literally over greed and people
wanting power within our own production company, wanting to be
a co showrunner or this, and they had no experience

(36:14):
in that or a resume to back it, but they
wanted it. So it was just like constant fighting and
battle and which we didn't know anything about at all,
and so we're.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
Like, when are we doing this? What is happening? Why
are we doing this?

Speaker 10 (36:29):
And In the meantime, we were still excited because then
right after Your Guy, after our episode on Your Show aired,
then we were like our album came out and we
were doing all these tours.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
So but we're still like, you know, is it because
we're always on the road. What's happening?

Speaker 10 (36:45):
And one day I went into Hollywood Records and I
was talking with our marketing and she was like so
upset and so angry because she's like, do you even
know what happened? And I said, no, what are you
talking about? And then she says, you know, so and
so and so and so just ruin this deal for
you guys, And I was like what. So it was

(37:07):
one of those things and so I literally had to
call the girls and be like, this is what I
just found out.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
What are we going to do? And so at that moment,
like it was like serious.

Speaker 10 (37:18):
And then I like, literally that was the first time
I had to fire somebody, And that was like the
hardest moment because we had no idea for months that
this had been happening, and so that was that was
the case.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
Yeah, it was her breaking to say the least. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
Yeah, But then but then like April Kelly probably like
eight months.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
I think we were now working on her second album.

Speaker 10 (37:44):
So we had toured that whole year, and then April
Kelly came on board and was going to develop our
second deal with ABC Family and and then that had
nothing to do with egos, power or anything. That just
all had to do with ABC Family kind of like

(38:05):
revisioning their network. Yes, and so he fell a part
of that, and so we had gotten another holding deal
for that.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
Oh, it was like.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
So interesting that you had two different TV show ventures,
one with Michael Jacobs and then a year or more later,
one with April Kelly.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yes, what was your experience like working with April?

Speaker 7 (38:32):
So we did.

Speaker 10 (38:34):
So what we did was she was living in Tennessee
and so everything was like over the phone. So how
that came about was there was a guy named Eric
van Lowe who had done a lot. I can't remember
all the shows that he show ran, but him and
April were very good friends, and he was like, you know,
I have somebody that I think could do really well
with this and we can work together and redo this

(38:56):
idea and had this great thing and he said April kemic.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Oh my god, I know April. And so so.

Speaker 10 (39:02):
We would have to I don't know Sarah if you
remember this, but we had a like right like kind
of like Michael in person, like talking about our life
story and who we are. Like we literally had to
write and send I remember faxing, like our whole life story.

Speaker 8 (39:16):
Modern technology, Oh yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Fox machines.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
So and then they were doing and planning that, and
we met with our president of a record company, Bob
Cavala would take us to all these meetings. And again
it wasn't now. This had nothing to do like I mentioned,
with the ego.

Speaker 7 (39:38):
It just was just bad timing.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So do you remember what the idea for that show was.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
It was gonna be kind of a little bit similar,
but this was gonna be because it was ABC Family.
They didn't want it so too edgy, so it was
gonna be more more lighthearted, more like the Monkeys. Another
thing that also kind of I think we met some
resistance with just with like the network stuff.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
Is then at that time, now.

Speaker 10 (40:08):
Making of the band for girl bands and boy bands
were becoming a thing, and so it was like do
we spend the money on this? Do we do like
a you know like and we were like, no, we
don't want to do reality.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
We are real performers, right. So yeah, so it was
a little.

Speaker 10 (40:27):
Bit of everything thing, you know, So it was just timing.
It was just timing when it came to that.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
So you were prepping, you said, for your second album.
So during all this time, like let's say, from you
were on our show.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Did you Maybe Night? Was it aired in ninety nine?
Did we were was it already?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Were we shooting it in ninety eight? THO was like
end of ninety.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Eight, early ninety nine, and now we're in the early
auts and you're prepping for your second album. This is
a very like in the Weeds question. But you're signed
to Hollywood, You've only had one album come out at
this time. Are you making a living at this point?
Are you are you getting paid well to be touring?
How are you making a living?

Speaker 7 (41:18):
That's a great question.

Speaker 10 (41:19):
And everybody thought we were probably like oh, because you know,
they see you on TV, so they're like, oh, you.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Guys are a millionaire, famous and rich.

Speaker 10 (41:26):
Yeah, No, we were not making So I will say,
in the record industry, there's no rules. It's like you know,
the wild, wild West, right, So that's how a lot
of artists, you know, they kind of get screwed a
little until they kind of learn the business and put
their foot down right. So we do get an advance,
So you get a big advance that you split amongst

(41:49):
four people, and then it's you know enough to like
I guess to live off of, you know, for the.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
Time that you're doing that album.

Speaker 10 (41:56):
But then you're on the road and you're making literally
per dam and sometimes your dancers are making more than
the actual artist, and so it is so sad that
we would be like at any venue if our writer
had food, we're like, grab that food ticket onto the bus.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Right because we don't.

Speaker 10 (42:14):
Yeah, because and then I remember like anytime radio reps
would take us out for dinner, we're like hungry. We're like, yes,
we're taking this, this and this, because it's just it's
not what people think. And then we did get because
it's through you know, Screen Actors Guild or Sagon. After
we do get a TV holding deal. So we did

(42:35):
get a deal, which was very nice. A lot of
recording artists don't even get that because they don't have
that TV show element, you know behind it. So then
we got obviously another you know, so basically, when you're touring,
you have to think of it is just promotion. So
it's like you are busting your butt from like sun

(42:55):
up till like midnight because we would do good Morning,
you know, whatever time you're into school shows, then to
do a radio show at.

Speaker 7 (43:05):
Noon, then to do mall tours, then to do.

Speaker 10 (43:07):
Another radio show, and then to do a club tours
because we also had like a lot of our songs
were remixed for clubs.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
So it's like that every single day.

Speaker 10 (43:19):
So you're like, really, you know, like being in the
recording artist isn't.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
For the week. You have to like just like you know,
and you can't be tired. You just got to like
go go, go, go go.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
But it was, you know, something we all loved, we
all wanted again, we were able to pay our bills,
but then things like that people don't realize is the
record company has a publicist, but they that publicist is
for everybody, right, so if you really want dedication just
to you, you.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Have to have an outside publicist.

Speaker 10 (43:52):
So again, the money that we would make, that money
now like we have to get a prolicist and we.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
Have to split it amongst four people.

Speaker 10 (43:59):
And so we were always praying for like Polaroids sponsoring
us or just the little things that people because then
that we would get money from that too. We did
a lot of soundtracks, so like we did like the
Pokemon movie and Princess Diaries and all this stuff, so
that obviously was you know, you know, financially helpful. Yeah,

(44:21):
but we haven't seen any royalties from any of the
stuff that we're on.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Nothing. You didn't get.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Nothing, Oh no, no residuals. Yes, we're talking royalties from music. Yeah,
so those types.

Speaker 10 (44:40):
Of things like I think, like maybe as an advocate,
like those things have to be like dealt with and
worked on, which they are now like now you can
you know, I don't know how retroactive they can be.
But yeah, it's it's when people see you on TV,
they have this image.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Are your reps? You were your original reps? Are are
they getting paid? Somebody's got to be making money from
your music, right so that it's just not you who
put in the actual work or are yikes up? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (45:12):
Yeah, so even though they got fired, they probably still
make some something still sucks unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
Yeah. I remember when we were done with the first
album and we had a bit of a lull and
I started auditioning again, I was at a point where
I was not a drinker at all, but I was like, Okay,
what job can I get where I can make a
lot of money in the evenings. I was like, I'm
gonna do bartending. So I like, I had a buddy
come over. I was like, teach me the drinks. And

(45:43):
I was like studying to like learn whatever. And then
I ended up booking the Pepsi commercials with Brittany, So
I was like.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Thank god, national commercial.

Speaker 9 (45:56):
Yeah yeah, I was so thankful. And back then a
national commercial was.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Like they were incredible. Everybody everybody wanted a national commercial.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Yeah, everybody.

Speaker 9 (46:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
So when did you guys then also start experiencing some
group member changeovers, like you know that definitely used to
happen with pop bands.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
When did that start?

Speaker 7 (46:18):
Ah, Okay, we're gonna be honest here. So we were
on tour.

Speaker 10 (46:27):
I think we were doing a radio tour with Mandy Moore.
I can't remember, Debbie Gibson, wow, other people, And I
believe we were in New area, like New.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
York or Vermont, I can't remember. And there was.

Speaker 10 (46:45):
There was there was a blow up and there and
I honestly don't even remember what it was over. And
then the next thing, you know, like the record company
is like telling somebody you're out, You're done.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Was the blow up with the record company.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
No, we probably should have had cameras following us at
that time and it would have a reality show again. Yeah,
and so we I actually don't even think we did
that show that day. We had done sound check that
I don't recall us doing a show that day. I

(47:24):
think we all flew home. And then the oddest thing
is we were doing we had a new song, a
new soundtrack that we were doing for one hundred and
two Dalmatians, and we recorded it and everything it happened
so fast. So like we recorded it, we filmed it
for Disney because they were going to do like this
massive you know, push and it was like the theme

(47:46):
song or the title end song or something. And then
literally that it was just the three of us and
we were you know, filming, and then we all said
goodbye to each other and that was the last time
we saw Amy Sue and we were like and then
we found out that she just left and she just

(48:08):
I think what a lot of times the business part
of it, like everybody wanted to do it because I
love singing. I love this, but when they understand that
it's so much more a business and there's all this
other stuff that you can't really control, then people are like,
you know what, this isn't for me. So like I
then had to I picked up the phone and I

(48:31):
called like a really good friend of mine and you
might you guys might know her, Jenny Kwan, who from
California Dreams and her and I and she actually I
called her to replace me from the Zoom girl group.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Did you I was gonna say, didn't you have three
other girl groups that you could just.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
Like, well, now I'll go to this one. Now I
hop into the next girl group.

Speaker 7 (48:59):
Totally.

Speaker 10 (48:59):
So I called Jenny and I was like, hey, what
do you what are you doing?

Speaker 7 (49:04):
And she was like, oh, I would love to do this.
So she came on board.

Speaker 10 (49:08):
And then my friend Ty her and I had known
each other since we were like.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Eight or nine, and her aunt.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
And I were really good friends. Her aunt wrote Just
Wait a While for Janet Jackson, and so she was
like really into like you know, like the music scene
and everything, and so she was like, I don't know
if I want to do a girl group. I'm like
oh my god, come on, let's just do it. So
and then so they were our two new members. And
then I had to do some begging to Bob Cavallo

(49:41):
and I was just like, look, Destiny's Child just lost
some members. Like we're going to be just fine, We're
going to be stronger than ever. So he just was like, Okay,
I'm gonna you know, He's like, don't disappoint. And then
thankfully they put some budgets into doing music for the
second album, and we got to like produce and be

(50:04):
writers this time on the song and or on the
on the album, and we were able to now like
have a say and make decisions, you know, with the
producers that we wanted to work with, the songwriters we
wanted to kind of co collaborate with. So it was
a whole different experience. And then and then again the

(50:24):
other TV holding deals.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
So yeah, so I'm sorry Amy.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Sue just kind of just disappeared that, I mean, was
there I did she talk to you guys or did
she just that was it? She was just gone. She
just bounced.

Speaker 10 (50:40):
Sarah, do you recall I mean, like I remember hugging
her and she said bye, and then she left and
then I mean, obviously we've talked since, but it was
like literally twenty years later, like it was almost it
was right before the pandemic. There was a couple of
people that were doing like twenty year celebrations, and so
somebody's like, well, why does nobody's angel do a twenty

(51:01):
year celebration?

Speaker 7 (51:02):
Like, well, a lot of us haven't seen each other.
We all live all over the map.

Speaker 10 (51:06):
And so I called everybody and they're like, okay, this
is interesting.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
And so since and we were we were we had hopes.

Speaker 10 (51:13):
Of doing a twenty year you know, reunion celebration of
some kind, but then the pandemic hit and then.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
I just kind of fizzle the way.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
Yeah, and I see Amy Sue. Me and my family
went down to Florida for a vacation in Orlando, and
that's where she lives. So it was probably about ten
years ago now. I went down and I visited her there,
and Okay, things are good, and you know, I don't
know if we'll ever really talk about it, you know,

(51:43):
because I don't know that it'll be worth it really, right.
I think we've all kind of come to terms with
what happened and are at peace with it. So yeah,
it was unfortunate for sure, and it kind of felt
like a whirlwind. So I'm sure we all have our
own versions of what happened, and it was you know,

(52:04):
different for all four of us as far as what
the experience was, but overall, like definite fond memories of
the whole experience and learned a ton.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, so many people, like we mentioned, so
many people just think if they see you enough, if
you're doing songs for movies and TV shows and I've
seen you on TV, that's it.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You've made it.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
You must be very rich, and they don't understand the
grind and how hard that business side of it is.
I mean, even just for people to hear what your
day to day is. Like you're talking about doing good morning,
whatever city you're in, you also want to be here
and makeup ready. You need to be up ahead of
time to look awake and to have your makeup on
and to you know, you have to be presenting exactly

(52:51):
and to sing and to warm up your voice and
to be personable and to put a smile on. And
you're doing that, then club tour like maybe if you're lucky,
you get to take a nap.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Somewhere in that day.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
But otherwise you're going from say four thirty in the
morning until one or two am.

Speaker 7 (53:06):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
But also this is a crazy time in the music
industry too. This is like, yeah, the last gasp of
the old model, like the you know, late nineties early
aughts is like everyone's starting to download music. It's like
the model of like get a record deal, then your
set is not going to work anymore. And you guys
were living through that, and no one knew what the

(53:27):
new rules were gonna be. It turns out no one
makes money and music anymore, but you know by now,
But like for that period, that's like such a weird
time of transition. Like I remember friends in the music
they was like, O, if I just get a record deal.
But then people would get record deals like you guys,
and it was like, well, that doesn't guarantee you the
next ten years of a steady job, Like no, that's

(53:47):
just another hustle for the next thing.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
And in fact, sometimes.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
People would own they would owe the record company money
money on that situation.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It was like, oh my god, like nobody knew the
rules anymore.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
It was there was also in the early aughts that
there's starting to be a backlash against the girl and
boy groups too, where I was kind of like like, oh,
that's not cool anymore to being a boy band or
a girl group. And it wasn't until really One Direction
came out again that there was it kind of exploded again.

Speaker 8 (54:14):
So it's like the double whammy.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And you're doing all of this on whatever food you
could put in your pockets from the rider.

Speaker 8 (54:20):
I mean, it's like, oh my god, thank god.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
I like, we want we want brust in many weeds,
we want everything we would eat.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
This is an interesting writer. We were like, these are
the meals. We don't get snacks meals.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Seriously, we'd like two percent milk on a rider please,
Like wait, what, oh my god.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
The music industry, it's just it's.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So difficult and so much, so much different than if
you think show.

Speaker 10 (54:44):
When we came out, we were still selling cs at
twenty bucks a pot, right, and now it's like ten dollars.
And then you're right, the download came and the record
companies couldn't even keep up.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
With how fast technology was happening.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Like they probably just kept up like they probably just
figured it out maybe ten years ago and not even that, right,
that's it's still evolving. And now you have TikTok, and
now you become famous on TikTok. You know, it's like
always evolving. You don't make money from songwriting anymore. You
make money as a touring artist.

Speaker 9 (55:15):
Right.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
That is yes, that.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Right, which is the opposite of what you said earlier,
which is back then you was a loss leader for
you know, making your record sales.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, now it's completely invitable and now.

Speaker 10 (55:25):
And now it's you want to be independent, you want
to be in charge. And thankfully I learned so much
because I was that kid, because I was like, I'm like,
I didn't go to college.

Speaker 7 (55:35):
This was my life.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
I literally spent every day that we weren't on the
road at the record company, watching everybody do their job,
asking so many questions. And I remember Diana cast who's
like a brilliant marketing She ended up going to and
working for Lady Gaga. She was the one, like you
guys said, it's like when you get a deal, people.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
Go, oh, I'm going to be superstar famous now.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And stir rich.

Speaker 10 (55:58):
No, She's like, it's just like getting an agent. You
also still have to continue to do the work. So yeah,
so yeah, so you learn so much, so much.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Wow, and all of this while waitressing in a small
diner cafe Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
To tell you whether or not it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
An hour outside of Philadelphia, and yet you've never known
like the big city like it.

Speaker 11 (56:24):
So, oh man, that's great, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
You would you would go on to become a very
successful actor. You'd appear in tons of stuff including Studio sixty,
on the Sunset Strip, Secrets on Maple Street, CSI, New York.
And now, as we mentioned, you live with your beautiful
family in Canada. You're still acting and teaching dance. Would
you be okay if your kids wanted to get into
the business. You mentioned your son had a callback, So

(57:02):
I assuming he's an actor.

Speaker 9 (57:04):
Yeah, he is an actor. It's a hobby right now,
he's not diving into it. We are quite lucky with
where we live. We're really close to Vancouver and a
lot of the film industry from Vancouver comes to our valley,
which is called the Okanagan Valley. So a lot of
the work that I do is right here in my backyard.

(57:25):
If we need to go to Vancouver, then we were
close enough. I wouldn't discourage it at all. It kind
of fell into both of our laps up here. Like
when I moved up up here, I didn't really think
that I would continue to be honest, I had just
gotten married and it wasn't until after I had three
kids that my manager in La was like, hey, would

(57:48):
you ever want to because she was calling me to
like sign off on something, and she's like, there's so
much work up there. I'm like, okay. Like I took
a while because I was like do I want to?
Because so it's not just saying yes or no. It's like,
as you guys know, there's so many layers to it, right,
So I was like, you know what, why not? Like

(58:11):
I have my and I am so thankful to have
my family so that it's not my main folk. Yeah
you know what I mean that like it it comes
to me when it's supposed to come to me. I
enjoy doing it. I'm working with awesome people. I love
my reps and and yeah, it fell into Gunner's lap
kind of like my agent was like, hey, they're looking

(58:31):
for hockey players because all my boys are hockey players.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Do you have three sons?

Speaker 7 (58:35):
I do?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Wow, I have two? I have two sons. Okay, writer
has a son, indeed a boy family.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
I'm on three three boys?

Speaker 9 (58:44):
Are you the middle?

Speaker 8 (58:46):
No, I'm the youngest, I'm the baby, I'm the best one.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, of course totally.

Speaker 9 (58:56):
But yeah, he was like he auditioned and he ended
up getting the job. And after experience, I was like,
do you want to do this again? And actually my
youngest and my middle got a part in the commercial.
My youngest was like, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
That was the worst. I never want to do it again.

Speaker 9 (59:13):
Like great, awesome at least, you know, you know, good
to know either way. Totally, and Gunn was like, yeah, totally,
I'd be up for it. So yeah, he's done a
few things and we went down to Argentina to shoot
something for him this year, which was really so yeah,
it's just yeah, it's it's fun and yeah we're having
a good time with it, but it's nothing. Yeah, it's

(59:34):
not his main focus, which I'm happy about.

Speaker 8 (59:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
And Alie, I want you to talk to us about
your alter ego twinkle Time.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Please, how did that come about? And tell us everything?

Speaker 10 (59:47):
Oh my god, Okay, so I can't believe this year
will be fifteen years that I've been my alter ego
twinkle Time. Never obviously like pop music and being you know,
in the music industry.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
Was always my thing.

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
After Nobody's Angel, I went back into auditioning and doing
guests and episodic stuff and then a lot of tours
in between.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
But I still wanted to do music. And I had this.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
Crazy dream and I told my husband, don't think I'm crazy,
but I had this dream that I was performing in
front of kids. And at the time one of my
side hustles, I was teaching kids musical theater, singing the
whole thing like all over so caw and I loved it,
and so I said, I wasn't in my dream. I
wasn't myself. He's like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Like what this alter ego? And he's like, you're crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:00:46):
And so I just started writing the songs with my
writing mentor, and then all of a sudden, I had
like enough to have an album.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
But then I just sat back and like, what do
I do from here?

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
Like and because also coming from a musical theater background,
I'm like, well, maybe I put it into like a
musical and so that's exactly what I did. I put
it into musical format first, and then I you know,
put it up in a like little ninety nine seat
theater in North Hollywood, and we did two shows because
I invited everybody and everybody came and bought tickets. I

(01:01:16):
was like, oh my god, so now I had footage.
So then I was like, okay, now what do I
do from here? And I'm like, okay, let me just
start pitching it. So I started calling every theater, every
you know, venue that had anything to do with family
And then one person was like, oh my god, are
you Ali from Nobody's Angel?

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
And I was like yes, Like, oh my god, I
used to listen to you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:01:38):
And she was like the marketing at all Caruso properties
like the Grove, Americana, all this stuff in LA and
she's like, we do.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
A whole Kid series, but it can't be a musical.
We don't have a budget for that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:48):
Can you scale it down and make it like, you know,
a concert? And I was like heck, yeah, that's easy.
And from there it took off and like literally, I
was somebody had came and done like a whole thing
at the Americana, Like you know, prices were going up
at Disney and all this stuff, and they're like, oh,
if you don't have, you know, the money. This is
all the cool things that you can do with your family,

(01:02:09):
take your kids. It's free, and you get this amazing entertainment.
So I did some little thing on Fox LA and
then somebody from Nobody's Angel Days called me and was like,
is this Ali from Nobody's Angel And he had a
record company that was distributed through Warner Music, and so
I went in. Again no upfront money, but at the time,

(01:02:31):
I was just putting all my money into developing this,
and so I was just like, well, if they're going
to print up my my albums, then of course.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
I'm going to say yet.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
So my first album came out in twenty twenty ten
and under a Warner Music group, but then they went
through some changes and so then I've been now releasing
and touring like the country, you know, headlining at you know,
theaters and state fairs, as like an artist for kids
and families. So it's like pop rock, really cool music

(01:03:05):
with just pative, positive lyrical content. I think people have
said something like Lady Gaga meets Kiss Band.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
For kids.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
It yeah, And I'm going to be releasing my fifth
album on August twenty second.

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
How exciting Yeah, so it's it's been again.

Speaker 10 (01:03:26):
All the stuff that I learned from Nobody's angel, I've
been able to apply to what I do now because
I do book my own shows, I do promote everything myself.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
I you know, I market. It's like I wear all
the hats.

Speaker 10 (01:03:41):
But I wouldn't have known what to do had I
not had that experience.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
I mean, just if you work in the entertainment industry
with as quickly as it evolves, we are nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
If not incredible hustlers.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
If you want to stay in it, sure you have
to adapt, you have to adjust, you have to learn
something new.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
You have to you know, if you want.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
To stay in it, you're going to have to change
up the way you've always done it. And every time
you learn something new, you're like, great, now I'm going
to be able to use the skill set here. You'll
continue to use it forever, just in new and innovative ways.
So well, that really impressive and really fun to talk
to you both. My last question is looking back now
nearly almost thirty years later, what do you think and

(01:04:28):
what do you feel when you think about that week
or watch that episode of Boy Meets World?

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
Oh do I go first?

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
Or Sarah, you want to go well, like, mine's a
short answer. Honestly, that week propelled my acting career. I
enjoyed it so much. And I had taken a couple
classes before that, but it wasn't my main focus. And
after that week, I had so much fun that and
just found out so much more about myself that it's like,

(01:05:00):
I want to dive into this. So I started going
to Leslie Kahn, I went to Sandy Marshall, I studied
with John Rosenfeld. Like I really dove into it. And
that's honestly what propelled my passion for acting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
So there's like a before boy meets World of your
life and then there's an after, and Boy meets World
was like a turning point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
That's cool.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
What about you Ali?

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
For me, it brings so many wonderful, happy memories because
it was a dream we all had as a unit
and we achieved it. So whether or not the TV
show happened, we did your TV show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Thank you both so much for joining us. We wish
you so much luck and success with everything you do
in the future. This was so much fun to have
you on thank you both for joining us.

Speaker 9 (01:05:58):
Great to see you for us both.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Let's do it again. You know, listen when you were
talking about doing a twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Year reunion, I was like, you know, guys, twenty five
thirty years, isn't that fun?

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
You know everybody else I should do it here, let's
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah, let's go listen to that. We might do an
Edd Bevis pop up. Maybe we're going to need a
musical performance. Yes there over there, Okay, call a me Sue.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
See if Amy Sue will come out from Florida gets Stacy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
Yeah, well, oh yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Thank you ladies.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
I think it's so interesting how much the music industry is, like,
it's so funny. We rarely hear people talk about, well,
in acting, you're really well protected in.

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
The music industry. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
It's like most of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
The time people are like, well in acting, they just
get so advantage of you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
But here's the music industry is that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
The music industry seems to be about ten to fifteen
years ahead of like what happens to the music industry
happens to the film and TV industry. And I think
that's what's happening right now. So I feel those protections
going away?

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Like the idea that you can be on a TV
show and make money in residuals is gone now, yeah,
because streamers don't that doesn't exist. So for writers, directors, actors,
the entire system is now gone. So we're at that
point where even having a union it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
How do you monetize it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Because once we accepted that we all want our music
for free or for a subscription service for a monthly fee,
the artists can't make it anymore. And film and television
is even more expensive to produce. So how is that
going to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I know? I talked to an agent friend of mine
who literally said, he goes, Oh, the days of the
journeyman actor, where you can make a decent living and
raise a family, and all you do is you just
guest star and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
He's like, we don't even hire those people anymore. No,
he goes, we don't even rep them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
He goes, because what you're gonna they're going to get
us eighty dollars a week something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
He goes, we don't need it. And so that whole.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Section of acting, the economic moss appearing, is completely upside down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I don't know how it's sustainable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
For it is, and the and the music industry is worse.
It's like Thunderdom. I mean it really the idea that
you can still go listen to Nobody's Angels music on
all these movies and all this stuff and streaming and
they don't see a dime of it. But the people
they had to fire who were screwing them over still
get that.

Speaker 8 (01:08:23):
Money is so insane.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, it's ugh. Yeah, the rules are always changing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I feel like, you know, you start your career in
entertainment and so much of it is like you know,
everybody comes into it. You come in with an artistic
passionate I can sing, I can dance, I can act,
and then you're like, you have to learn the rules.
So you try and find a mentor or an agent
or a manager or a producer or somebody who will
teach you the rules. And then within moments you realize

(01:08:49):
there are no rules and you actually just have to
learn the old rules in order to figure out how
to break them. And it's you know, and the sooner
you make that transition from like Okay, I'm confident enough
and understanding how things are working at this second that
now I need to go beyond them and break them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
That's the only way you make it in entertainment. It's
it's a very it's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
You know, we were children, so we learned the rules
by absorbing it, by being in it. But like, you know,
think about for our parents trying to play catch up
to like what it means to have an agent to
do this, to have a good contract, Like, oh my god,
it's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, so scary.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on
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Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Show at gmail dot com. And we've got merch.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:09:40):
I'm auditioning for my new boy band.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I would like some other members to join me, because
if it's just me, then it's not really a band.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Everybody's devil. Everybody's devil. We're in.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
Let's go everybody's devil.

Speaker 11 (01:09:54):
Great idea.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
Yes, I'll start a homager.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I'll start booking you. I'll start booking you right now.

Speaker 8 (01:10:05):
We should maybe have a song.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
No'm there's no songs, no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Songs, but we still do mall tours.

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
Yeah, I love it. Everybody's devil. It's such a good.

Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
Title too, so good, it's so good.

Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
All right, it's our man. Who also are you getting?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
We get? We got we got to get at least,
but then he can actually sing and Dan okay, no,
maybe it's just the three of us and Weel's at
the center and you and I are the two devils.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Were the devils on her shoulder, so we're like two
different devils and we argue. You know, you used to
be the angel the devil and said, it's just two devils.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
We've got a great image.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
You just where you're like, what's the wrestling, No, the
housing cast makeup and yeah, in the middle, and we'll
be the devils on either side of you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
None of us sing. We've he's not a band.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
Let's go. This is amazing. I love this artwists to
start booking it immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yes, writers, send this out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
We love you all. Pod dismissed.

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