Pod Meets Twirl'd: DWTS 3407

It's Halloween night on Dancing with the Stars and the Daniettes continue to finding more tricks than treats when it comes to the judges scores! 

Will and Rider give their honest reaction to a top contender landing out of sync, and how do they really feel about the People's Princess, Andy Richter??

Plus, talk of the unsung hero of the season, an underscored bff and an ignored harness - all on a new Pod Meets Twirl'd!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to Pod meets Twirl, the Dancing with the Stars
recap hosted by two guys who can't dance, don't want
to dance, and have now seen exactly seven episodes of
Dancing with the Stars. But since our best friend Danielle
has joined the cast for season thirty four, We're going
all in. We are Wilfred Allen, Ryder Strong aka the
two dudes standing next to Topanga aka Daniel Fishal's backup

(00:35):
aka the dan Yettes.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I will Daniete, Hi rider Dan.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yet, how you feeling this week in my general life
or after watching whatever the that was?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm with you. I'm with you, but I'm angry. I
wasn't angry other weeks, but I'm angry this week.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Let's let's take a step back and just say, how
are you doing in general?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I am dude, Okay, you know it sounds like I've
had a call for the last four months of my life,
and I finally met with a new doctor yesterday that
now maybe I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Need this sinus surgery, which is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I'm going to be doing this whole new steroid rinse,
which apparently is going to help because as a voiceover actor,
everybody knows sounding sick all the time great for your career.
So I'm uh, I'm excited about that. But that wasn't
you know? Actually that was the highlight of my week
because what, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
This was a tough one. Hell ill I know, but
you know, I think it's actually gonna work in her favor.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think because I think everybody feels it. I think
everybody sees it because I watch with my parents, my
wife and my son, who have not consistently watched every episode,
and their reaction was exactly mine and yours, which was,
while they are being harsh, really like why did they
give her? Why did they give other people a pass
and not her? Or yep, that's my wife. But it's like,

(01:56):
so the woman who didn't dance wet home got the
same score.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yep, basically other than one point yeah, one part, And
I was like, I know that seems a little think yeah,
the guy who couldn't make it to the swim meet
tied for fourth or whatever the like what yeah, now
we we I was gonna ask a tar of this
because she knows a lot more about this than we do.
I have to imagine, with as physical a competition as

(02:21):
it is, they've they've had this happen before, where somebody
gets injured and can't dance, right, I mean, this wasn't
the first time.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, is this exactly what they do every time?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Like they Yeah, it's happened, it's happened before. Well, okay,
there are two different ways.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
If it's the.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Pro who's injured, there could be another professional dancer who
steps in for the pro.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh that's almost worse.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, that's actually what happened with Sharna Burgess. She had
Jenna Johnson step in for her a couple of years ago,
and Jenna did the dance with her partner. And then
there was one other time that they played the celebrities
rehearsal to judge and I'm blanking on who it is.
So while you guys are talking, I want to look

(03:02):
it up. But it has happened before.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. I actually thought the rehearsal was great, you know,
I thought it was like you could see you know.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I didn't think her dance was that good. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Sorry, And now I'm like, now I guess I'm looking
for reasons. And again this comes with the bias of
having a friend on the show. I guess I'm looking
for reasons why they would score this person one way
and this person another way. And it's also arbitrary.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It is all arbitrary. But I'm getting better at predicting
it now. I'm literally too. I'm spot on every time
because I shouted out to my family and it's gonna
be hs across the board. I feel the same one. Nine.
Then there's only one last night good that I actually
messed up everything else I've been. I've gotten to the
point where and I think that's just knowing the judges,
you know, like knowing, Oh, Derek's gonna like that, carry Anne's.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, Carrie An has her favorites, and she'll have two
or three that no matter what they do, they could
walk on the stage trip hit their face and she'd.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Be like, you tried so hard. Nine.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
And then Danielle does the best thing where she's doing
triple flips and she's.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like, you gotta your s Shelder is different too, and
it's like.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
What the I'm with you? Man? I held back the anger.
I you know, I want to give them the benefit
of the doubt. But I could see at this point,
it's starting to feel like a personal thing. It are
you as open to like the potential that Danielle might
be working her like and I don't think she is.
I don't think she has. She's not seen. We'll get
into it, Okay. Halloween themed one of my favorite like

(04:25):
themes we could possibly do, although interestingly it was a
very dark Halloween interpretation. Dark there literally everybody went like
bloody and scary. Nobody went like nightmare before Christmas, fun
kookie Halloween, which I was a little surprised by it.
I was like, whoa, everybody's like bloody and like kind
of awful, but which which is so funny because that's

(04:47):
actually more me, Like that's more my taste and in general, yeah,
like I'm into it. But by the end I was like,
really another like sexy bloody dance.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Seriously, we couldn't have one person in a store bought
Luke Skywalker costume.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Like when I think about Disney Night which is like
or TikTok. It was like the opposite. And when I
was cravy, then I feel like they're all going way
too far in the other direction. Yeah, I think in
part because sexy has been working like really like the darker,
sexier said, like Danielle's dance from the week before, Yeah,
has been getting a reaction, and I think they're all
feeling a little pressure to be like let me be

(05:22):
dark and sexy lead.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
But it's weird to go scary not spooky, especially on ABC,
like you figured to do somebody would do something spooky like.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Just oh yeah, I'm a cat, like a little nothing.
It was all like I died for it.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
It goes back to my criticism of the Disney week
way too good a makeup. Yeah, I don't want this.
It's like, look, it looks real on camera. It's one
thing to look good during the dance and real, but
it is so really like those contacts were freaking me
out scared and it was like too much. I was like,
that's so distracting. I'm like I want to watch you dance,
and like there were three partners that had contacts and

(06:00):
I wanted them all to take them off right away.
And then like even like Dylan's like vainy neck thing
going up his head, like no, guys, it's looking and
the blood looked you real, Like when when what's it?
When rob Robbers? Like I was like dude, I was
in Cavin Fever. Take it off like no, like, this
is not good. It was true.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
It was dark and good and dark.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
After got a makeup, I just want to tell the
makeup team that you are amazing. You should all be
working in horror films. But for this make it more cartoony. Yeah,
don't a little a little lighter, little more fun, little
for this stage. But they're playing it up for the
camera and it's real for me.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I don't know, yah, yeah, yeah, no it was.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
But again, there were certain cool things, like some of
the ways they started the dances, like coming out of
the dirt.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But I think I think the one who pulled it
off the best as far as the atmosphere was the
most playful and the only one that was, and that
was Andy. It was cinematic. Yep. It was so fun
and it felt like an actual movie with like atmosphere
and story and they started in black and white, involved
the camera moves. I was like, yes, and there was
something a little you know, it wasn't gory, it wasn't

(07:11):
like it was more like.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Almost whimsical, scary whimsical, yes, which I thought.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
We were gonna get more of when we have to
start with a giant sparkly skull, which I was like, yeah, Halloween,
let's go. And then immediately we get a Lane's injury announced,
which I was like, oh, oh crap, this is this
is like what does this even mean? This sucks? Obviously
felt bad for her. Yeah, yeah, but you know, that

(07:36):
announcement immediately put me on edge and I was like,
oh them, we're not gonna have much fun tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, and we didn't then our first our first dancwers.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I kind of didn't know.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I was on edge me too.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
This was an anxiety filled night.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, all right. First up was Whitney and Mark, who actually,
now that I think about it, were maybe a little
light hearted, you know. I just got into the darkness
that later on. Yeah, but even they you know, they
started with you know, I guess a zombie theme. Right,
there's zombies.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
They're like dead, I think, so, yeah, they're undead, but
like from a sanitarium.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I think there's supposed to be like a medical ward.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
So like.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
The dead isn't enough, You've got to be zombie day.
It's like, come on.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So the song was brain stew by Green Day. Yeah,
great song, did I don't know this song. Are you
You're like a green Day fan? Huh?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I like Green Day, I do.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I like I've like green Day from from before Dookie,
which was their first real, real big one that hit.
But yeah, I like the song. I liked just starting
with like the dunnet yea. It just kind of like
got you into the night, you.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Know, totally totally and it's and it's it's it's rare
to have that kind of heavy hitting like music beats
with silence. It was great, man, this was fun. I
I just like both of them. I like both of
them as people. As dancers. I feel like they continue
to show their personality and you know, just make great moves.
Like but I did notice, and they commented on this

(09:09):
her timing wasn't a little.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
They're way out of sync. I like the look, I
like the style, I love the song. They're out of sync,
I know. So if I can notice that they're out
of sync, how does that get a ten?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well? You know what they do that almost better than
anybody else in this competition is they do really good moves.
But they're also they always feel character based or emotion based,
like it always comes from somewhere do you know what
I mean. And that's really hard to achieve because I
feel like people are either technically very good, like I
think Alex you know, the is an amazing technical dancer,

(09:44):
but it doesn't come from like inside emotional sort of
personality based or character based stuff. And these two are
both so good at that they're actually hitting. But you're right,
sinc was off.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I was off. And again, if you're if you're doing
a dance, it's like that's good. You know, looked great.
I know it started the night. You probably got jitters.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's probably the Also you've got the adrenaline pumping, like
you just want to get going. But she was off,
and so if you're or frankly or he was off,
who knows they were off. So if that's the case,
I get that. I still thought it was visually cool.
I love that all of all of their moves because
again I always talk about them as a professional dancing team.
All of their moves are very precise, like they're they

(10:24):
you know, when they hit a dance move like they're
they're finishing the move there. It's staccato when it needs
to be. It's all what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It was out of sake, right, So you think does
that I kind of agree with you that that means
you should not be getting a ten. No, because it
is supposed to be perfect.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's the best you can get is a ten.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
So Bruno was just like way too impressed because it's
Bruno that gave him.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, everye else gave them very generous all right.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
They were given nine to nine, nine and ten.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Agree with the nines, Yeah, really yeah, I agree with
the Nines again. The way to start to show the
music the costumes. Like you said, they're both very good dancers,
but you're out of sink. You don't get a perfect score.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
All right. Then we moved to Jordan and Ezra again
your face contacts and uh, you know, she really got
into the twitching this week.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I'll say every time she was on camera.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
She was like trying to be in character. It's like
this weird, twitchy zombie mummy person, which was at first
very funny, but then I was like, wow, this is
a this is a thing for you. You're like really
into character.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You also mixing genres. Are you a zombie? Are you
a mummy? What are you?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah? I think they couldn't do zombies because there's a
lot of undead things going on, so it's like, let's
add a mummy ish outfit that also maybe makes sense
of the harness. Yeah, this was a little off for me.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
The I thought the same I thought the rope was
there was a possibility of like, oh wow, we're going
to see something super cool with a gymnast attached to
a rope, like, oh my god, this is.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
And then it was just kind of in the week.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
One move that I thought was good was when he
split the rope and then flipped and she was able
to do the flip on her own, you know, but
made it look like he was like he was doing her.
But that actually doesn't require anything like that could have
been just as good if you did it without a rope,
like if you just made a spell of yes. So
I didn't think they took advantage of it, like once
they're like flinging her around with the rope. I know

(12:17):
that it's difficult, but it just isn't as impressive to watch, right.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
It's also it's that's a huge risk because when he
pulls the rope at the like in the middle to
untie it if like something happens and that snags and
you've now got a rope on you for the rest
of the show, you're screwed. So that was that was
a risk, but it didn't fully pay off for me.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, because I think that whenever they like it's it's
interesting because she's so athletic and she's so capable of
big moves. But actually when they when they get away
from elegance, when they get away from more dancery stuff
and they get more like, it becomes less interesting, like
she's better with the pressure of like, let's be more

(12:58):
sort of traditional in some way. Yes, when they when
they get expressive, I'm less interested for some reason, even
though I know it's impressive what they're doing. I think
the judges were a little too kind on this one.
I would have only gone eight's across the board. I
was like, and they give nines, you know, nine eight
eight nine, that's right. Yeah for me, it just I

(13:20):
don't know, man, it fell a little flat for me too, Yeah,
it did, you know. I I actually in this case,
I was judging their creativity. I was like, guys, if
you're going to involve a harness, do something more interesting
with it, and and they didn't. But then Also, it
wasn't like crazy technically so difficult or so like that
that the story, you know, like I would just forgive

(13:41):
a like weird sort of half story because of these
amazing moves. No, it was just kind of in between
on both, right, So I was like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Know, do you think the other thing I was wondering
just from a personality standpoint, Yeah, she her entire life
has obviously been competition. Competition, competition. That's what she was
born to do. It's what she's really great at. It
also can come across as cold, yes, because it's like
I am here to win, That's what I'm here to do.

(14:09):
Do you think that's gonna hurt her.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
In the long run. I think it's hurting her already, Yeah,
because I think, yeah, she's approaching this as an athlete,
as a gymnast, as a competitor, and I think if
you didn't have pre show packages and post show packages,
she would be doing way better. I disagree, and I
don't I like her in the pre show package because
I feel like there's a lack of Honestly, yeah, there's

(14:34):
a lack of presentation that I find so engaging and
actually very cool because she's much more like, this is
my job. What do I gotta do? I don't care
what people think about me. But I think that that
was maybe part of my problem this week is that
in the pre show she started talking about depression, and
she starts talking about her emotions, which I understand is
coming from a genuine place. But then when the performance, honestly,

(14:58):
it didn't feel emotional. It felt like performative emotion. It
actually like if I had not seen the pre show package,
I would have been more like, I would have been
more invested emotionally, I guess, because as it was, I
was like, it didn't feel And that's not that's not
a knock. It's just why are you trying to make
this about more than what it's actually about? Like for
I think for her it's actually just about dancing well

(15:19):
and winning, which is cool, but like she can't say
that necessarily, you know what I mean, She's got to
make it about a personal journey, and that's you know,
That's my problem with this whole show in general, is
all the pre show and post interview stuff just feels
so banal to me. It's so banal. It's it's either
performative or it's just like it's very rare that, you know,

(15:39):
unless it's like the dedication night, which, like I said,
I cried most of the time. It's like Disneyland's Fun
Halloween is scary. Sometimes it is.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
It also, though it also gets a little a little
false sentimental, where it's almost like, let's let's all sit down,
and you almost hear the producer or director and you
know this isn't happening, but you also you just hear
them in their head, like, is there something more personal
you could talk about, like if you lost a pet
this week exactly?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Maybe we talk about something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Also, also, would it be fine if the pre show
package began something like that? And then what's her name?
The host when she does the wrap up after the
dance could ask anything interesting that develops it. Instead, what
she tends to do is repeat like a question she
asked them, a question that just allows them to repeat
what they said in the pre show package, yeah, or

(16:29):
a pre dance package, And it's like, dude, ask something more,
ask them more. You know you said that sometimes you've
battled depression, talk about that. You already heard this, and
so inevitably what they say in the beginning. It's like
it's every week they just get to deliver a two
sentence like thing and it's like, I have struggle with
depression or I'm feeling this way about this, and then

(16:51):
they just repeat it again and I'm like, develop it.
Why are we showing this? Why are we having this conversation?
And it's frankly, it feels like we're killing time, which
is all we are doing because we're waiting for the judge.
But I think a real like a better host, in
my opinion, would take what they're hearing the person present
before the dance and after the dance find a way
to like develop it and not just say like, it
seems like you really like your mom, Yes, I dedicated

(17:15):
the dance to her.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah okay, but sorry, yeah you really like your Mom's like.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You dance with a harness. Yeah okay, yeah, I agree.
I just gave nine eight eight nine. I do love
Jordan and Ezra. I do want them to stay. I
feel like this week was all they could have been
judged a.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Little harshirt and yeah, I think I think if you
if you set up that you're wearing giant trapeze wires
and then don't do anything trapezy, then I feel like
you've screwed me a bit.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
So yeah, all right, next up Andy Richter and the
Slater Man. He just keeps plucking away, this guy, he does.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And you know, this is where this is the perfect
example of the pre show package saving you every week
because he's so likable, Like even Susan.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
We're sitting on the couch and he comes on and
we sit up a little straighter. We start laughing.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
He's funny, he's tongue in cheek, he's looking at the camera.
You want to vote for this guy?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I don't even need to see the dance. It's like,
all right, I'll vote for him.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I know, And I think so it's funny because he
actually he doesn't like and this is not a knock
on him, but like you are an incredibly witty, clever person,
like you actually say things that just if I saw
them written, are so funny. He's not actually that like,
he's not like a he's just kind of like a

(18:41):
presence that's positive, do you know what I mean? Like
you just like him? Yes, it's just like a natural
charisma and a natural sort of like normal guyness. Yeah,
feels very comforting in a world of incredibly chiseled, beautiful people, right,
you know, like all week you're just looking at people
like that. You're like, everyone's got the cheekbones and the

(19:01):
body and the muscles. And when I see him on camera,
it's like, well, thank god, someone's up there looking like me,
you know, or like you know. And though because he
actually isn't doing that much comedy wise, like he's he's
actually pretty earnest and just sort of straightforward. But it's
more just like physically and personality wise, he's not trying.
It's just like a relief every time it's on camera.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You're also there's a weird journey he's taking that very
few they mentioned it last week or the week before,
but he's also losing so much weight yep, that it's
like we're watching him get healthier. Yeah, and he's moving
better on stage and it's making you know, and it's
so it's one of those things where that's kind of
an interesting journey to watch as well.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
This guy's got to be down twenty twenty five pounds. Yeah,
that's significant.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
So uh yeah, but it's I'm kind of changing my
tune on him after coming off of everybody taking it
so seriously, which I guess they I get that they
have to and they should, but it's now like ramped
up so much. To have to see the guy who's
looking at the camera going like hi, Derek and just
kind of having fun is a little bit of in

(20:05):
a movie like it's a it's a it's a a
just a breath of fresh air in the middle of
kind of this intense it's I mean, it's it's a
ridiculous equivalency, but it's the it's the same as you're
watching these high wire acts, these trapeze artists, the guys
in the motorcycle doing the flaming thing, and then you
just cut to the clown for for a little bit

(20:27):
in the middle of the circus and you go from there.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Perfect analogy. I mean exactly. It's so nice you need it, Yeah,
I mean, that's what the circus needs. That's what There's
a reason that they have a clown troop come out
every three or four numbers to like it actually makes
them more serious, you know, like it actually elevates it
because you get a break. Good call man. Yeah, but
I thought this was really fun too. It was wise,
Like I said, in terms of like the lighting and

(20:51):
the incorporation of story elements and stuff. But I'm sitting
there with my parents who have only seen at this point,
I think, three episodes, you know, and my mom is like, well,
he's just standing there.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, And I was like, yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Is, which only, like you pointed out last week, feels
unfair when somebody else gets kicked off. It does feel it,
does you know, But that is the nature of the game.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
They all the contest as much as it is anything else.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
So yeah, it could.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
If they had put any more fog, you couldn't have
seen any of the dance.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
It was just disappear At one point completely, it was
just fog. When he was dragging her, it was like,
is she even there anymore?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
And you know, we we have very rarely, if ever,
really talked about her. I think she is the unsung
hero of this entire show because she is always has
a smile on her face, She's always so happy to
be there.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
She's talking him through every dance. She's a rock star.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well he I mean he and he said like when
they asked, I feel like at one point during his
interview it was like, how how are you doing or whatever,
and he was like pointing to her like she's making
everything happen, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think so she's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah. I also liked having like a dance to Beethoven.
It kind of felt, you know, I like we all
know the song, even if we don't know, we know it. Yeah,
so there was something like ah and again like I
like kind of a classical feeling injected into I don't
know it was. It was comforting.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
They also just from the camera angles and the stuff
they were doing, they made that stage look like it
was forty five miles long.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
It was incredible. Yeah, really well done.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh let's see their score is seven seven seven.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, that's right, Derek. But we should talk about Derek
broke his sixth paddle.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Remember that. He's like he literally snapped the paddle.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was like, okay, I mean he's never gonna give
sixes again.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think, well that's the thing that the dancers know.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Now, Yeah, this scoring has been up.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
It's right to the point where they're not gonna give
anything below seven anymore. And if you get an eight,
that's essentially the equivalent of season of episode one getting
a five. It's like you saw them all get eights
and They're like, ugh, whereas you know two weeks ago,
Oh my god, we got four eights. You're jumping up
and down now four eights. They're like, that was we
failed tonight?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, weird. It is weird. A great inflation, great inflation,
all right. Jan and Jenna then performed uh canceled by
Taylor Swift, and I have to say I really enjoyed this.
Most of them like professional. It's like there's usually too
many of them dancing for me to like really know
who everybody is. But I was blown away by him,

(23:27):
especially because I don't know. I guess I've taken him
for granted.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Anyway, Well he got he had a really rough week. Yeah,
if you followed all that stuff that was going on. No, So,
VAL's brother used to be a pro on Dancing with
the Stars, and VAL's brother it's so convoluted it sounds
like like a soap opera. VAL's brother's wife has a podcast,

(23:55):
so Max Cherminovsky went on his wife's pod cast and
talked about how as a professional dancer, Jan has no
business being on Dancing with the Stars. He's talked about
how he couldn't he's he's not right for the show.
His bass is wrong, his arms are wrong, he doesn't
he's not classically dance, he doesn't know the partner relationship.
Like he bashed this dude badly, which is and then

(24:17):
it kind of went viral and went everywhere, which is
why Derek specifically at the end was like, Jan, you've
been doing a great job this first season on the show.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I felt that.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, he had a rough week.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Everybody, you know this guy just literally came out and
just blasted him, saying like, this guy's no business being one.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Of the dancers.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Harsh, Well, that's interesting. Yeah, and he's the newest, he's
the only new one of the pros.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, because he was Tailor and everyone says the only
reason he got booked is because he's Tailor.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Was Taylor Swift's dancer.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I mean, I hate to say it, but maybe
there's some truth to that, because this really blew me away.
And this was not him dancing as as a pro
part of a team. This was him dancing to Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Right, which and that was this guy's probably danced to
that song eight thousand times.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like, so it was really good.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I thought it was really good, and.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I love her. She is a phenomenal dancer. She's got
kicked off what week one or we two? But oh god,
she's so the two of them together was like, that
was one of those things where you feel like you're
sitting in a theater watching a performance.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It was I thought it was just really good.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, okay, and then we get to the Elaine Hendrix
of it all. Man, this was rough.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Can I ask why her pro still had to dress
up like Gladiator? You know, if the guy's not dancing,
did he have to go through wardrobe? I get him
not being in jeans and a T shirt, but like,
did he have to get into full makeup and everything?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
You know, that's actually an interesting question because it's you
pointed it out. I kind of liked it because the
rehearsal video, you know, part of the biggest problem with
it is that they're just in like workout clothes, right,
So I think seeing him in an outfit was like, oh,
there could have been what could have been? You know,
I think if you had just been in rehearsal clothes,

(26:17):
or even if you had just been wearing a suit,
it would have been like but because it was like
you always felt like what did her outfit look like
we never got to see it. I don't know. I
think it actually highlighted the absence in a positive way.
That was I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Do you think now dance aside, which we haven't even
got to yet, do you think it's fair that if
you can't dance, you're still in the competition?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Got that, you know? My instinct, like my feeling last
night was yes, this felt fair until Danielle's score game
thank you, and then I was really pissed off. Yeah,
I was like, really, we don't just give her fives
across the board or something, you know, like neutral.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, they gave her eights.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
She she scored higher.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
The woman who was in an ambulance not at the
show scored higher than Andy by by every judge, And
it's I mean, it's weird.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
It would have been fair to me is if they
don't show the rehearsal video, because it seems like questionable
whether that's fair or not. What if they just if
you miss it, if you injure, if an injury takes
you out, you just match the lowest score of the night.
That's fair, right, So like which in this case would
have been Andy and Emma. So whoever gets the lowest,

(27:39):
you also get the passing grid, like you also get
the lowest.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeh see, I think that didn't make it.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You didn't make it physically, right, But we're also not
going to, you know, completely give you zeros, So you're
just going to be like the person who also you know,
showed up and did their best but got the lowest
of the night. I feel like that would.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Be fair, that that could be fair.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
The other thing that every other reality show does is
a night like this, no one goes home and two
couples go home next week.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So it's like, that's that's how you do it. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
You're not here, fine, we'll keep you in the competition,
so no one will go home tonight, but we're sending
two couples home next week because it's like that.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
The whole situation was really strange.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
So yeah, you know, any other thing you're in, like
I said, you're in a swimming competition, you're in whatever,
and you can't go physically, that's it.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
You can't go.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So and what if somebody just gets like food poisoning
in and feels sick or says they're nauseous or whatever.
It's like power, where do you draw the line? You know,
in this case, it sounds like she really like really
hurt her rib and had to get out in the hospital.
But you can also just the kind.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Of yeah, not that we're saying she is, of course not,
but you would know.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
That you could possibly get a score.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, you know, I deal with you anyway.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Video.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, see, I disagree. I didn't like. I didn't like
their dance at all. Frankly, I would love to.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
And maybe it's because I was always throwing, but I
this was I think my least favorite dancer that I
just dance wise, I think this was my least favorite
dance of the night.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And so oh interesting, Yeah, it just it.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I thought the final lift was pretty awkward and painful,
like didn't feel smooth, But otherwise I was like really
into it, and I wish I could have seen it.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's the thing is, I think the problem with rehearsal
is you don't necessarily finish all your moves, so like
when she leaned against them, she like kind of leaned
against them where I'm sure she would have gone one
or two inches deeper when you know.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
She's not committing so yeah, so it's like little things
like that.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Injury and stuff. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, wasn't even at the show all eight.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Just to jump in real quick, there was three other
times that people were scored based on their rehearsal footage, Okay,
season eight. There was Steve o in week two, Melissa
Ryecroft in week eight also season eight, and then Tamar
Braxton in season twenty one, and then Elaine. So this

(30:04):
is the fourth time they've done it.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Now what if they I mean, then if you couldn't rehearse,
are you then kicked off the show? I mean if
there's no rehearsal footage, Like if she can't go next week,
is she then done?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I mean imagine she would have to be right.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I mean, she got cleared by doctor like they said,
But if something else were to happen and she couldn't
learn the dance, then I.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Don't know that would be it. I think it would be.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
A decision between the show and doctors and her. I
think it would be like a big decision made.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I also think I like the Argentine Tango a lot,
Do you really?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah? Because I loved Danielle's dance last week. And watching
Elaine and Allen do the Argentine tango ghett I was like,
this is my favorite dance.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Do you know how many people pointed out to us
that Buenos Aires is in Argentina even though that was
the joke.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh yeah, well I didn't get it at first. I
was like, isn't Buenos Aires an archida? And that's why
I doubted it. I was like, I have to check.
I wasn't sure. I was like, because you said it
so quick, I was like it was just the same.
And then I was like my book classic al eights, Yeah,
al eates. Now let's take a moment here to talk

(31:16):
about the Bruno of it all, because I Bruno has
been really getting into my head. And right about at
this point in the night is when my family stopped
because my parents were in town and we had ordered
a big sushi feast, and so we took a pause
and we all like had our sushi laid out, and
you know it, my son and my wife and at

(31:37):
one point, you know, somebody asked me like, my wife
is like, you know, oh, how's the Alba core? And
I you not what it was happening to my brand
is I wanted to stand up and go. This Albacorn
is fantastic, Darling, It's just amazing. I just I have
Bruno in my head. It's like everything coming off for

(32:00):
me is just like the most exaggerate. Oh, the soy
sauce it needs, of course, of course, but you're doing.
I love his excitement. Oh. I just always I want
to be I want to be as expressive and free
and positive. But Duen, he's negative. I don't get you.

(32:21):
He has like this rhythm to it. I love that.
I love that. Here's what I don't love. I cannot
well the the like cheesy corny quips related to the
theme of the dance. Yeah, it's like if it's a
if it's a police themed, it's like you are arresting Darling.

(32:42):
Shut up, Like, oh, it's a chef themed. It's like
that was a full course meal and a cake. What So,
here's what I want to do, because I think your
brain works better than Bruno's. I'm gonna give you a
quiz if you if you see a dance based on
a certain thing, what would you say, Oh, where's where's

(33:03):
your corny quip? Okay, are you ready? Yeah, it's a
New York themed fox trot, a New York themed fox Trotky,
it was wonderful and it was a good fox trot.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Sure, yeah, okay, it would be something like, uh after
that dance, darling, everyone is moving.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Uptown all right now, it's a Willy Wonka themed dance.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Go go treasure.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
You are the music maker, you are the dreamer of dreams.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
We are all getting a golden ticket dolling.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Right now. It's a Lord of the Rings dance.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh jeezus, you are then the whole demeanor ball at
the end, and it will be You're precious.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
See you're already better he has all week because you know,
he was the theme of the Dad you in thirty
seconds come up with better quips than it's always his.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Or they they are there.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's it's pretty funny too.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Did you also notice I think Carrie, Anne and Derek
don't like each other.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah? Well there was that weird ooh where he kept
being like She's like blah blah blah, and I was
like what what and she kept trying to interrupt. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And then there was also a time he's like, oh wow, thanks,
I got no no time left, and you heard her like,
you've got plenty of time left.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It was like, oh God, I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Know, surprise, surprise answers that are like paid to be judges,
have opinions and have egos.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Should we did we? We didn't mention we had a
guest judge this week, Ryl Burke.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
The one thing I will say, I thought she was
giving the best criticism and was the most fair with
her judging all night long.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Frankly, I mean it was like, well.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
She was also, I mean it was interesting because in
some ways it felt like she was coming from a
place like I feel like the judges in the first
four weeks were giving very good technical notes, yeah, on
a pretty regular basis, and then they sort of in
an howur just like we know who you are, we
know your story, and so I'm a judging you accordingly.
Where she was coming in like with a fresh perspective

(35:18):
and yeah, giving technical notes again, it felt like it
felt like a first four week judge, which I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I did too.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Why they bring in a guest you know, I swear
to God at.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Some point, because I think we've talked about this before
the first few seasons of the show, they were much
more harsh, and some network note or something came down
and said, we are not American idol.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
We don't want the harsh judging. Lighten it up. And
I feel like they've been like because now they're going
like hah, you know, I love you, you're the best.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Oh my god, you're great, but maybe do your hand
like this like they're like trying to do it.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I don't know if that's the producers. I think that's
just in response.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
To social media.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, the popularity thing. Like, you know, I think that
we're at a different age than when like Simon Cowell
was like miss Harsh and even then I feel like
people people kind of liked that. But now I feel
like being negative is just not as appreciated, even when
they are correct, you know, and they would rather their

(36:14):
careers are sort of it's better to be more positive.
I mean, even the way that we feel about carry
on right now, based on you know how she talked
to Danielle.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Yeah, up next, daniel Fishel and Pasha pashkav.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I thought watching the rehearsal, watching Danielle be a director
as she is and an actor as she is, and
a dancer as she's become was so fun great and
I was just like, dude, you have like found your
stride literally and this is so fun. Like I'm she

(37:06):
like was making a story, was having such a blast,
and I was watching the versa where she was making
all her little god no yeah, I was like yes,
because that's the way she is, and she even did
like a little karate sound at one point. I was
like God, it's like, oh my god, I love you
so much. And then the dance itself I thought was

(37:27):
incredible and it was incredible what the actual yeah no,
to me, it was like oh nine, like across the board,
maybe maybe a ten because like her whole like you know,
the moment when she was saying no, no, no no,
it was so good acting just in the moment in
a way that like you know, they talk about her

(37:49):
being like like not worried about her steps. I was like,
she nailed this and was in control of the dance
and like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
I also love the visual of starting clean and then
his hands have but the his hands have the blood
on it, which is all you know, is physical and metaphorical,
and then his hands are on the white dress.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So now her white dress is getting covered in blood.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And I was like, God, this is great, Oh my god,
she might be doing better than last week.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Like, oh man, how no one could say anything negative
about this? This is incredible.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I was nine nines across the border as my my.
I was like, one hundred percent, it's gonna be great.
It's gonna be great, maybe even a ten.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I thought she was gonna get her first ten of
the night from Bruno. I thought he was going to
give a ten because he was being very generous all
night long. I was like, oh my god, they're gonna
do it. They're gonna get a ten. She's gonna freak out.
This is absolutely breakout from the pack like she did
last week. And then they went in front of the judges.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I think they're holding her to a higher.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Standard for what to what.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
End because because a she looks young, so I don't
think I think they're treating her as like she's in
the same category as like the thirty somethings that are
or even early twenty somethings, and it's just not the case. Right,
This is this is a mother, This is somebody who
is forty five years old, and I think that they're
not because she looks so young and they still associate

(39:09):
her with Aztapanga. They think of her as like a
young American sweetheart, and it's like, that's not really fair.
I don't think that's a fair assessment of who she
is as a person and how hard she's working physically
to keep up. So that's like I think part of it.
And then I think she's very popular, and I think
that because she's so popular, there's a little bit of like,

(39:30):
you know, you can deserve, you can take a little
harsher from the judges in a way that I just
don't think they're just not on her side. They're not
rooting for her.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Say I think again it Carrie Ann tonight last night
it felt personal.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I can't explain it. I'm sure it's not.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I don't know, but it felt personally like she does
not like Danielle and I don't know what the hell
daniel did.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
She take her parking spot? Is there something we don't know?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Because it how you can watch that after watching a
rehearsal tape and give it the same score because Carrie
Anne gave it the same damn.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Score as the one before.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Are you can't like I know less about dance than
anyone on the planet, and I know that Danielle's dance
was better than that one. Even if you want to
give Danielle an eight, then the other one was a six.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It's like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she's got a chip
on her shoulder. I think Carrie An's got a chip
on her shoulder. I think, I mean, I think most
I think there's a sense of like Danielle being maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Too good at everything.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, she's just like the popular girl you know and
like but which is just annoying her. It's like she's
the most loving kind yeah, like non exclusive, Like Danielle
never gives off the vibe that she deserves anything. She
knows hard and enjoys herself. Yeah, but I think that
there's the potential that as opposed to like Robert who

(40:58):
goes next, Right, Robert feels like, even though it's supposed
to be the stars, he is the celebrity who doesn't
feel like he belongs here to a certain degree. Right,
there's a sense of like, oh, wow, he's he's famous
because of his dad and because of his like you know,
environmental work. But for the most part. He's kind of
an everyman. Same with Dylan, there's a sense of like
people coming from like you know, whereas Danielle there's a

(41:19):
little bit of like, you know, you've been a star
all your life. You've been the center of attention for
a long time. And I don't know what against her.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I don't know what it is, but it's like, I
don't know what else she can do. Like that's the
thing is you're setting an impossible standard when you have
that kind of dance, which I then went back and
I was like, all right, maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Maybe she screwed up this grow up.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I watched this thing like three times and I was like, Nope,
great dance.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
And then it gets to Cheryl, who's like, we do
everything big in ballroom.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
We danced to the ceiling, we do all this as like,
did you watch the same thing we did? Did you
see the facial expression she was making and pointing, the
way she was ripping open her and she's covered in blood.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
You you didn't see all that. That's what you point
out is she needs to act bigger. Really, I know.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
It was so it was like I was in the
matrix and everybody saw something different.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Than I did. And I was just sitting there going like,
how is how what? How how is that possible? I
don't get it, Like I give you Robert Irwin thing.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
The other thing with Robert is he's instantly become America's
little brother, right like he.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Just said that about Dylan too. But right, but so
but here here, here, here is something that could be
taken into consideration in terms of Danielle's strategy, which is,
has she opened up personally as much as most other contestants?
In other words, has Danielle talked about her family?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Has she talked about her journey as a child actor
moving into directing or and no, she has. She has not.
She has worked her tough to prove that she can
do the technical side of the dancing, and she is.
She has leaned into her you know, her public persona,
but she has about her husband. She has not talked
about being a mother in the same way that almost

(43:04):
every other contestant has had at least one moment where
they opened up in that way. And I think maybe
it's time for her, you know, because even in this one,
she told a fun story and it was great, but
it wasn't like this is the way I think of marriage,
and sometimes I struggle with my husband. You know, it
didn't have any of the like, So she hasn't She
hasn't connected, maybe in the same way that everybody's had

(43:26):
at least one moment where you're like, oh, you are
an entertainer, you are an actor, but you also have this,
you know, like Andy has his daughter. You know, everybody
has had. And she chose for her dedication to do Bill,
which we know is personal, but it's also what she's
already known for. So I wonder if strategy wise, it's
time for you know, the only like real like she

(43:47):
you know, in the beginning, she had her injury. She's
talked about that, but.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
It might be good for her to open up a
little bit more personally maybe. But I also I think
there's a strength to what she's doing too though. I mean,
this woman, it was dealing with cancer and she hasn't
mentioned that since the very very first episode.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I know, because she's like, I don't want to, I
want to I want to dance. I don't want to
go out and mention that, right, And so I think
you everyone's already forgotten that, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
But it's I don't know. Maybe you're right, Maybe next
week she needs to open up more about everything that's
going on. But I just from a dancing perspective, how
you look at that and again, we look at it
through I love you goggles. I get that, But how
you look at that and see And I'm not trying
to bash Alane. This poor woman has had an incredible
journey and was hit by a car. I mean, yes,

(44:35):
she's had a ton of problems and was probably crushed.
She couldn't dance last night. But how you look at
that dance and then you look at Danielle's and give
them the same score. I don't, I don't. I That's
what I just kind of threw up my hands. I
was like, okay, none of this makes any sense. Like
it just none of this makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
She got eight, eight, eight and nine. Yeah, good old
Bruno came through a nine.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
He was also writer. We should talk about what she
was doing.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
She was dancing the Viennese waltz. Oh yeah, Via, So
we're going to talk a little bit about.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Whiz history of dance.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
This was in the Viennese waltz was created in Buenos Aires. Uh,
I'm kidding, of course, I don't know if Austria Austria.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It is a fast rotary ballroom dance, characterized by its
constant turning, which is either to the right, which is
called a natural turn, or to the left, which is
called a reverse turn. Unlike the slower wallts, it lacks
the pronounced rise and fall as I like to call
it because of its high speed, which is about sixty
bars per minute. Key techniques include maintaining soft knees and

(45:44):
a stable posture, taking small steps on the inside of
a turn, and transitioning between rotations and change steps. That's
your Viennese waltz, my friend. Cool, Yeah, I figured you'd
want to know that.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, So are you always turning the same direction? Is
that the idea? Or you can't switch it up?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
No, you can switch You can either go natural turn
or reverse turn. So like as they would say it
would be in skateboarding and everything. Isn't that a right
turn or goofy foot? I think they call it is
when you spin the other way, or that might just
be which way your goofy is when your left foot's forward?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, are you interesting?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
It's my right foot that's forward. Nice, even though yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Uh so, yeah, that's the Viennese waltz.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Thanks dude, good to.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Know you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Moving on to Robert Irwin and Whitney Carson, what can
you say?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Really great, really great?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Like I said, I think I love the Argentinian tanger He's.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I also thought this was, in my opinion, the coolest
stage of the night. Yeah, just to look with the
but the giant thing of roses behind them and then
her coming up on like they're lifting her up on
the cello.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Oh sick way to start. That was cool.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, and fun to see him go a little like
more dark. Yeah, and you know, there's nothing goofy about this.
It was just like full commitment HALLOWEENI yeah, I thought
this was great. He's I mean clearly, I mean part
of okay, like honestly part of my think I started
to turn on Robert unfairly, probably because he's so beloved

(47:25):
by the judges. I was like, uh, Derek, we get it.
You love him and his family because you dance with
his sister. Can you give Danielle Fish a little credit?
You're like, yeah, no, so I was, Yeah, but the
dance itself was so fun. This was it was dances
of the night totally deserved.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Love her too, by the way, she's she's such a
good dancer. The two of them together just work. They
look great. Ye, her choreography is phenomenal. There's I think
there's only been one of the seven weeks so far
where it's been like, eh, not the best. They're just
and I I think that's one of the things they are,
of all the couples there by far.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
The most consistent.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, like they're just we And that was the thing
we joked about after the first episode, was like, well,
where do you go from here, Robert?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You started an eleven? Good luck with that. And then
it's like, oh, he's he's actually maintaining that.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, he's done really well.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah he has.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
They got ten, nine, nine, and ten, which yeah, carry
on through out A ten.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I was like really, yeah, of course really she loves.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Him, and she's like you're a leading man, Like okay, sure.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
All right, next up Jen and Jan Yeah, I mean,
I you know, it seemed pretty obvious right away that
tonight was going to be kind of between yep, Jen
and Andy Yep. As far as he was going to
kick kicked off, I think it's probably inevitable that Andy
will get kicked off next week, but you never know,

(48:57):
never know, because yeah, I thought this was one of
Jen's best actually, and again I felt the judges were
a little too harsh on her. Yeah, I agree with you, Yeah,
because I feel like they've decided something about her and
maybe something about John that we don't know a little
behind the scenes, like you were talking about that. It

(49:18):
just it just feels like they're I don't know, they're
they're they're they're getting they're falling through the cracks. And
they did fall through the cracks. So I thought this
was actually pretty great.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Thought they looked great.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
They looked great. I thought she gave it her all.
But you know, eight's across the board, and again I
was like, really, not a nine in.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
There, the same score as the person who didn't dance.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, seems a little.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
It just it's again that's why they're just kind of arbitrary.
And did you see this was the first time that
at least I saw the celebrity not holding her emotions
back when she was getting her scores.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
She was pissed and you could see that she was pissed.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah, she was just like, Okay, well great, not I
guess I can't do anything was kind of the face
that I think.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, and I think unfortunately the favorites are so clear
at this point.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I think that the only people like the judges, are
being so predictable, which became really obvious during the whatever
the monster bash dance off at the end of this
which we'll talk about, which really was that kissed me off? Yeah,
you know that the judges have set their their path

(50:35):
at this point and and unless you the only way
to upend it is with the popular vote. It seems like,
and I think Jen was not competing with in the
popular vote. She doesn't stand a chance against Andy and
Danielle and the other people that are not like getting
tens and nines every time. Therefore, I think she went
into tonight knowing that she just was at a disadvantage

(50:57):
and that sucks because.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I think also they had again with all the press
that they were getting and at Jan was getting. I
think this was overall just a rough week for them.
I mean, can you imagine sitting there as your first
year as a pro. You're on the biggest dance stage
in America. You're probably loving life, enjoying it, You're just
with Taylor Swift and one of the other pros comes
out publicly and it's like you don't belong there.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
It's like, oh, dude, that sucks.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, so that and I thought he's again knowing nothing
of dance. He seems like a very nice guy, very personable,
and you know, they I.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Thought they were good. I definitely thought they were good.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And then seeing him dance the pro dance, the interlude
dance there, this guy can dance, So yeah, this is
that was rough though, But this was the first time
I actually saw the contestant like, yeah, I can't do
anything else.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
They're just they're going to keep giving me eights no
matter what I do.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, which sucks because like it's probably bad for her
career to react this way, right right right. The only
thing you could do is just be like I had
a good time, which she says all the right things,
but I felt the energy like you did, especially during
the final judging when they wouldn't even look up.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, no one, no one likes the guy who argues
with the yump. But like nobody nobody likes that guy.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
So if you know you're getting off the show, just
leave with.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
A smile, hold your head up high. It was so hard,
and then smash the window in your dressing room. That's
you know, that's what you do. You do that privately,
But that was it was tough for her to hide
her I mean, again, these are not actors. She's a
TikTok star dancer, so this is nobody classically trained. The
things like that we knew where you put a big

(52:32):
smile on your face and then you go and you
complain to your agent or your publicist. They didn't have
any of that. You just you wear your emotions on
your sleeve. But man, it was noticeable she was. She
was angry, and I think rightfully so, but you still
got to hide.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
It all right. Next up was Alex and Val. I mean,
these two are just pretty pretty damn great. During the
whole pre show package was like, you're gonna be harsh
with me this time, and Val was very strict, and
and then they did a great dance they did. And
what was so funny is they spent all this time

(53:03):
talking about like the technicality, but actually I thought this
dance was more fun for its expressiveness and its storytelling,
Like well all the like buried alive stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
That buried the way it started and the way that
it ended. We're so cool, so great, but it is
very and I do not know this man, so I
could be one thousand percent wrong, and if I am,
I apologize. But it seems like it's kind of all
about him. I mean, he's mugging to the camera a lot,
and it's all and they're the judges are congratulating Val.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
They're like vintage Val.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's like, okay, he's the pro so, but it seems
like he's it's a it's it's about Val when you're
dancing with Val.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
But got the dance to her credit though she's keeping
up right. And yes, the point is they looked great together.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
They looked great together, and they're hitting them in in
the head with the shovel at the end of the.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
End was hysterical and perfect.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It was a great dance.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, really really really top notch. So ten nine and ten.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I want to talk about the nine real quick because
I agree with her, but I don't get what she said.
She's so she said there's a cardinal rule in tango
that you don't break break contact, like you don't break
the hold hold, right, So, but does that mean the
whole dance. You have to be touching, so at the
beginning you can't start separate.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Is that what you talk Because they haven't. They always
break in to do like a lot of times in
almost every dance. I feel like they have one point
where they split up you a thing. Are you not
ever supposed to do that with a tango?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I don't know, because I thought that's what a side
by side is is. It's like you gotta also dance
side by side. So part of me was like, I
respected the fact that she said it's a cardinal rule
you don't break hold, so I'm giving you a nine. Essentially,
It's like it wasn't perfect and that's what a ten
is for. But at the same time, I was like,
then do they have to touch the whole dance?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Like I don't. I didn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I don't know, but it's it's I kind of feel
like if that is the case, then like they all
should have kind of held to that.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Maybe that's why I said, I like it would one
of the charles.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
They would have been the top scorers if they had
gotten nines across the board, right.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I don't know, somebody got a ten. Robert got a ten, right, but.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I don't know, I still be one of the top scorers.
Oh yeah, they had gotten all nines. Yeah, and you
could have just said, like, hey, guys, rules of rules.
We're going to be technical about this.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah. I don't know. It was it was interesting, but yeah,
it's uh. They were great.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
They were They were dancing the night For me, I thought,
uh all the way around, and that's saying something because
Robert had a great dance. There's a couple of people
that had great dances, but this one was just kind
of on another level tonight.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
All right. Then we had Dylan and Daniella, your fave
them with the nosebreak.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
She felt so bad too.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
You can tell she was just devastated that she broke
this adonna's face.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
She put an elbow into his nose.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
He could sue her for them all the millions. He's
not gonna make a by the way, he couldn't tell
it all like I couldn't see where is no you know? Yeah,
super interesting that he likes romanticy.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I was like, all right, good for you, dude.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Have you read romanticy books? I know you're a big
fantasy person, but.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Not not really romanticy is not my not.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
My so like Twilight is romanticy.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Right, I would think.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
So. I think the original what's the one they made
a huge show about where she's married but then goes
back into the past and is banging a guy there too, Outlander?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Outlander?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, that so that is another. I think that's also romanticy.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
If there's if there's a wizard and the word throbbing,
that's romanticy, I think, is what I would say.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yeah, all right, I thought these guys were great. I
just loved the two of them together so much. I
thought the fact, you know, like Danielle Official, he came
in with like a point of view and wanting to
like influence the story in the way that I think
is so fun and oppressive and and should be considered

(57:01):
as part of like the cool thing about your growing
as a dancer. You're wanting to express yourself more. You're
not just taking instructions from a pro. You're like having
a partnership with your pro where they're listening to you.
And you know, I feel that from these two, they're
just dancing together so well.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
And she also I thought it was super cool that
she started this thing blindfolded. Yeah, I mean, just the
idea where it's like I'm the pro, but I'm putting
myself totally in your hands. I'm going to be blindfolded
like that was. That was a neat twist that you've
got to do. The first half of the dance blindfolded
was pretty great.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yep, they got nine to nine eight nine. I would
have given them nines across the board.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I would have too.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I would have too Cheryl, But Cheryl was she was
harsh this, you know, and maybe she's the most real
of all the judges.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
But I thought from a more of an outsider perspective.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I thought it was cool. They look great together. I
just my heart broke for her, like his nose broke
for her when because she just you could tell she
just felt so bad that this happened. But yeah, he's great.
He's super personable, very likable. He's gonna be there at
the end. They're not kicking this guy off anytime soon.
They announced that he also won the Sexiest Tattooed Guy

(58:10):
for the People magazine.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Know what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
So you know how People magazine does Sexiest Man Alive
every year? Well, there's also subcategories. It's like sexiest funny
guy sex so he was like sexiest tattoos.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
So they were actually referencing People magazine.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, who cares people, That's why it's in the title.
Just ascid throbbing wizard. Yeah, have things that she would
do with your wand take on a whole different thing
and romanticy So yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
All right. Then we had this dance of thought, which stupid,
was really dumb.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
It was so stupid.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I like it in theory, but then the fact that
the scoring ended up being almost exactly the order of
the night, like they were in the order of their
scores to the night. All it did was just make
the top scorers top again.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It was like, why are you doing this if you're
literally going to eliminate them in the order of you know,
like the only it seems like the only It came
down to like whether Robert you know, and Whitney or
Alex and it was just like, the same people are
gonna win that were already gonna Look it's so dumb.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
This is also the first thing of the entire show
that I thought was really poorly directed. Yeah, they're like
they're kicking people off who aren't even on camera, Like, what,
what's happening? What the hell is going on? It was
just a mismash of it was weird. The whole thing
was just I didn't get it and did the two
points at the end, Like three points at the end.
Does that really matter anymore? It's you give your arbitrary

(59:50):
scores in America votes, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
It's Yeah. When they kicked Andy and Emma off right away,
I was like, really, yeah, we didn't even get to
see them for any and then it was like, oh,
we're just gonna kick the people who were down and
just like and then we're just adding more to the same.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I don't see this as allays like more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I will say from a physicality point of view, especially
the people that were there at the end. You got
to dance for like three or four minutes straight. I
remember when I took boxing lessons once. My first lesson
was I had to just hold my hands up with
boxing gloves on for a one round, which is three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Minutes, and it was horrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
So the idea that you've got to dance for three
or four minutes straight is that in itself is just
physically impressive, But the whole thing just I was like, wait,
who do they kick off?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
What's happening? There's a grim Reaper? Who were not cutting
to what the hell's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
It was just say I was in the audience this week.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, it played out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
So much better in person than when I watched it
back on TV, because I was like watching everyone on
the floor and you would see the Grim Reaper come over.
Because so what they would do is they would hold
up a sign saying like Andy and em are out,
and then the Grim Reaper would come over and pull
them away and take them out. So in the ballroom
it made sense on TV, it didn't translate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, well then they cut.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
They should cut to the judges holding up the placard
and then cut the guys out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I mean, it was probably just too much visual.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
It was just too much happening. I think that's why. Yeah,
it's hard to direct something like that, you know. It's
when they kept cutting to the overhead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Shot, right, Okay, weird?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
All right, Well, I guess we don't have a Will
Rider be on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
The only thing I was going to say to up
the ante was I, unfortunately just got a call from ABC,
and to do Dancing with the Stars, you have to
sign a dual contract.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
You also have to hop over and do American Idol.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh never, never, I just have to sing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
You have to first dance and then go on tour,
and then you have to go and you have to
sing on Idol to start all over, and you have
to sing on Idol, and then after that you have
to go on Top Chef and then for some reason
you have to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
On I would I would do like a something like
But singing and dancing are just too close to my heart.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It's too close, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
So yeah, I got the game's over. You're on the show.
We got to come up with a new one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I don't know what it is. People have said, you
have to ask me what I would do to be
on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
But there's I I think we could do that maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
But there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
But again I said no for different reasons. I just
don't think I'd ever learned how to dance. Like the
social media stuff. I don't do social media at all,
but I could do it and forget it, Like I
would have them run my social media platform.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I would have nothing to do with it. I wouldn't
look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
So if they just asked right now, like let's just
say they just ask for next season, you'd probably do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Then maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
My anxiety would probably get the better of me because
I have I have anticipatory anxiety. So the closer I
got to having to do stuff like, oh my god,
I have to dance tonight, I think my anxiety would
probably get the better of me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Even if okay, let's just say they outright offered it
to you based on having listened to this podcast and
you know that it's based on your personality and them
wanting you because who you are, and knowing that you're gonna,
you know, probably not be a great dancer that you
might be like Andy, right, but but you belove it,

(01:03:16):
Like wouldn't that make you feel comforted?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I mean maybe I would certainly think about it. It wouldn't
be an instant. No, I would definitely think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
But it's just not for me. It's like it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Not for you. But yeah, I think that would be
part of the charm. Maybe, you know, if they if
you're coming in as like, hey, I'm a funny guy.
I would love to get in better shape. This all
works for me, but ultimately I'm gonna be a horrible dancer,
I think, and then everybody's along for that journey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That could work, I mean, that could work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
The thing that would also save me, though, is I
would tell Danielle's story, so I'd be like, sometimes being
with Jensen is not the easiest thing in the world,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I mean again, it wouldn't be an instant no, but
it also it would definitely be seventy thirty no to
start with, and then my wife woul probably have something
to say about it too, so we'd have to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
All right, that's it for this episode of Pod Meets Tworld.
Join us next week as we continue watching season thirty
four of Dancing with the Stars. We may not know
a Charleston from a cheeze It, but we know what
we learned way back in Phoenie's class. Danielle Fischel is
the star of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
She's a star, He's a star.

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