TGI - Episode 117 (“The Fugitive”)

Let’s get Emo with this week’s recap! Not only is it the most dramatic episode of BMW yet, it was filmed just mere days after the massive Northridge earthquake. In fact, the cast could feel the aftershocks all the way to the table-read. But as they say, ‘the show must go on’ - and it definitely did for Rider. Learn exclusive behind the scenes stories for what most fans think is Rider’s most memorable episode, and why he says it was a critical turning point for Shawn.

Plus, Will tells a story of talking to a film class at UCLA and how the students put him in check.

Climb through the window and hide under the bed, but don’t make any noise - It’s another episode of Pod Meets World!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
So yesterday a good friend of mine, George Wong, who
is a director and professor at U c l A,
invited me to go and talk to his film class.
And yeah, I never went to college, so I was like,
let's give this a try. Um, And it was great.
It was a theater and there was like a couple
of hundred students there, and everybody wanted pictures, and I

(00:41):
was taking pictures of everybody. But I got a lot
of sir, can I take a picture with you? Because
my mom was a big fan. So it is It's
definitely more, don't get me wrong. There were a lot
of of Girl Meat World fan ends, and a lot
of Boy Meets World fans, and a lot of Kim

(01:02):
Possible fans, which is very interesting at cartoons kind of
last forever they did they do? I mean, I think
Boy Meets World is finally. I'm surprised it's lasted as
many generations as it did, like I think, like I
thought when the show was over, it was it was over,
like you know, I was like, oh, I can go
back to normal life and and won't get recognized. And
then of course it had the second life on Disney

(01:23):
Channel in the early Adds, which caught a whole new
generation and arguably was more popular among that generation. I
feel like people that are right now in their thirties
are kind of our biggest audience, Like that's the biggest
number of of our fans, so they were younger than us.
And then the generation beyond that, you know, part because
the Girl Meets World. But like before that, it seemed

(01:44):
like it was Disney plus it was still you know.
But yeah, I do think we're finally now that we're
thirty years out from when we started, I think we
must be at the point now where people are going
to stop watching it as as new, you know, the
real don't think that. I don't think that's necessarily true.
I mean it's like saying I think people have stopped
watching Happy Days or Brady Bunch, and I don't think
people have. I mean, it's no, no, it might not

(02:07):
be like it might not be the same thing where
kids are sitting down and watching Happy Days, but it's
still it's still there. And again with my you know,
I do cameo and I would say probably fifty of
my cameos are four Boy Meets World for people under
the age of eighteen, I'll tell you. We get a

(02:27):
lot of emails from very young people. See, I think
it's still going now. Wait, you said something interesting though
about it getting a second life on on Disney Channel,
which it did? Did it? I know it went to
two places, but I don't know where it went first.
Did it go to ABC Family first and then Disney
Channel or Disney Channel? It was Disney Channel was first,
then A Family like around two thousand and six seven,

(02:50):
I feel like around it was on ABC Family for
a while and then it went back to Disney and yeah,
kind of it got troubled around from all the Then
we were on A Night for a while. We were
we were on Nick and Knight. I think Disney owned channels.
I don't know, No, I think we think we ended
up movie because we were also on MTV, yes that
I remember vaguely. Must Viacom must have had some kind

(03:12):
of deal with Disney because it's on all because Nickelodeon
and MTV are both Viacom company. And I had a
via cam run. Interesting well, I had somebody recently asked
me a guy who I'm not really sure you knew
who I was as an actor, but knew that I
was in the entertainment industry because he knew I was
directing the movie I was directing and he lived on
the property we were filming on and he said, excuse me,

(03:35):
can you know can I ask you a question? And
I said yeah, And he said, how long have you
been in the entertainment industry? He said, because I've only
lived here for three weeks and I, you know, I'm
getting started and I just want to know, like, you know,
how long have you been doing this? And I went
thirty one years and he goes, how older you No,

(03:59):
I'm not really that old. I've just been doing it
since I was young. And he was like, I thought
maybe you were like sixty. And I was going to
say wow. I was like, no, okay, please stop stop
talking please. But yeah, so we're old, but it feels good. Uh.
Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Right
or Strong, and I'm Wilfred Dell. We are recapping today,

(04:20):
season one, episode seventeen, The Fugitive. It originally aired February,
and the synopsis is that Sean and Corey find that
their friendship has come under threat from the former's careless
involvement in a Cherry Bomb prank gone wrong Cherry is

(04:41):
one of the most important Boy Meets World episodes of
all seven seasons, just because we remember because of the earthquake.
I mean, I feel like that was a big reason. Yeah,
this was this cemented Sean, I says, this is hugely important.

(05:01):
I would have said that, I would have said that
this was like the defining episode for me personally, like
as an actor and what in my memory. But then
having watched the Santa's Little Helper episode that we recap,
which I totally forgot about, the dynamic was already kind
of established there that Sean, you know, came from a
poorer family, was you know, troubled, and the conflict between

(05:22):
him and Corey. So I was surprised to discover that
the dynamic of Sean and Corey had already kind of
been established. But you're right, I guess this is the
one that we all I think after Santa's Little Helper, though,
didn't they also whether they were shot out of order
or not at least the way they aired. Didn't they
also still try to bring on another friend after Santa's
Little Helper at some point I don't think so, because

(05:45):
we realized that the b Team of Life was actually
be Team of Life aired after Santa's Little Helper, right,
and there was another friend. So while people saw it, yeah,
there was still another friend. This is this really I
don't think from here on they ever attempt anything but
Coy and Sean. But also the other the difference between
Santa's Little Helper and The Fugitive to me is that

(06:06):
Santa's Little Helper really set you up as being um,
a kid with a different family than Corey. Your dynamic
when your family was different, but it was ultimately only
going to be a thing where maybe Corey needed to
be sensitive to your different life, not that your different
life was going to possibly cause problems. Not where you

(06:29):
were could you could potentially be a bad kid or
a bad guy. And so this episode really set up
that not all differences are can have a glossy finish
on them and be solved by just saying I'm going
to give you my basketball because you have less and
I have more. Uh. And so that was really the
thing that set this up for the rest of the

(06:50):
show's run, which is we we are on opposite side
sometimes and and and our role as family and friends
are to keep each other on one side, and I
actually I love love this episode. But my one little
piece of constructive criticism would be that I wish this

(07:10):
the situation with the friendship and Core and you know,
the little lesson that Pheeney gives in the very last
scene about the friendship unraveling, it could have happened earlier,
you know. And I get that there was a lot
to cover in this episode, but it really felt like
a very important lesson and it was kind of like

(07:30):
right at the end. Uh and and but anyway, we'll
we will get into it. I can't wait to hear
all of your thoughts on it, and writer, I can't
wait to hear your memories of it, because I'm sure
is this like just the most memorable episode for you
of all of them? Yeah, yeah, this is yeah. And
um yeah I watched it twice. I watched it once
like a week ago, knowing that we are gearing up

(07:51):
for this, and then I watched it last night with Indy. Um,
and yeah, it's so indelible, Like I just I've I've
remember every single moment of filming this, and I always
thought it wasn't part because the earthquake happened the week
before we were shooting this the North in January happened
and um, so we were filming this the week after,
and our table read was We used to have table

(08:11):
reads in a trailer, but we decided to have it
on the stage. And then there was an aftershock during
the table read and we canceled the table read because
we all like jumped unto the table and like freaked out.
We all felt the whole place sway, So we canceled
the table read and called the day off. So we
we ended up only having four four days for this episode,
if I remember, um and yeah, so I think another

(08:32):
reason that this episode is super memorable for me is
that I had already become friends with Jeff Sherman, who
wrote it, and I had already known. I knew that
he was quote unquote the voice of Sean in the
writer's room, that's what they called him, because you know,
a lot of times the writers end up being sort
of like the guy who are the girl on our show,
mostly guys who would say like they were like Mincus's voice,

(08:54):
or they would come up with the good lines for
Corey all the time. And I guess he was always
coming up with the best lines for Sean and and
and we have become friends. So when I he wrote
this episode, he told me that he had written this
episode basically for me and had this whole idea of like,
you know, Sean being this fugitive and being on the
run and how fun that would be. And so I
don't know, I felt I remember feeling like, I remember

(09:17):
feeling special. I remember feeling like this was you know,
this was an episode for me to act and for
me to to for it to be about me, you know,
and and and my character. And I just remember being
really excited and then it felt right like I remember
the dynamic, especially when we get to it that scene
with me and Ben in the classroom. Um, that felt
like a real shift for the whole show and it

(09:38):
kind of became a defining moment. Anyway, we'll talk about it,
but yeah, yeah, I totally remember this episode. It was
directed by David Trainer, written by Jeff Sherman. And we
can jump into our recap, So we start in the

(09:59):
matthew his living room and Corey's bedroom. Alan returns from
work and tells Corey he can't play baseball out in
this thunderous rain storm, and Corey says he's been sitting
at home all day. He doesn't know what to do
for fun. Corey then goes up to his bedroom. Why
is there a parking meter in the bedroom? Did you
guys notice that? I didn't. There is a parking meter

(10:22):
right next to the door. It's like six inches shorter
than Ben, just on from the street. Metal parking meter.
That's just for the first time ever appeared in there
were in their room. I've never seen it before. I've
never noticed it. Okay, well, here's the thing that I
was noticing this episode, which seemed very weird to me.
I have a very clear memory of having to crawl

(10:43):
in and out of that window with those springs. Why
are there red springs in front of the window. I
think it's supposed to be They're supposed to be kind
of like the beads that hang down in front of you.
But there's springs, like I remember their metal and I
remember having to like duck in and out, and I
was watching that. I was like, that doesn't make any sense,
Like it was like, has anybody ever heard of such that?

(11:05):
I didn't notice they were springs. I thought, there they're
red metal springs, And I remember scraping myself on crawling
in outain like why that. I was watching it now
going like yeah, I remember that all right. The other
thing I want to talk about first, Like, what I
just love about this episode is the rain mood that
it sets. The way that every all the windows have

(11:25):
that rain effect dripping down. That is very rare in
a sitcom to invest that kind of energy in that
kind of production design. Everything a great mood. Yes, it
makes everything such a great mood for the whole episode.
It's like we're in a different world. Bad things are
going to happen. Like it was just so exciting and
I remember being excited by it, you know, being wet
as an actor and like just feeling like we were

(11:47):
doing something different and cool and keeping the lights off.
It also completely gave you an excuse to go a
little crazy with the hands through the hair in this episode. Yes,
it's it's a lot in this one. It is. It
is a drinking game that you won't make us to
the end of the episode if you take a shot
every time Writer puts his hands through his hair. Uh yeah,
I was like marking it off, like, wow, it's a

(12:08):
lot because you're all because you're soaked and your hair
is now you notice both of our hair is now
longer by this point, so your hair is way in
your face the whole time, and it's soaking wet, so
you just the whole time, you just keep going back
and keep going back. Right. Well, when we reveal the
parking meter, we also reveal Sean is in Corey's room.
He is wet and frantic and says the cops are

(12:29):
after him. We also see lightning strike and Sean tells
Corey he doesn't want to be involved unless he wants
to be, and Corey says, I'm in and there's a
real cool back and forth. It felt very single cam.
I think that's one of the things I loved about this.
And also how often were we ever that far up
into way deeper? Yeah, I mean we have that coverage exactly.

(12:55):
We we had that scene with the Will and Betsy
up by the bathroom. That's one time what happened, and
then and then this time very dramatic, um you there,
And so yeah, it was cool to see us that
deep into the bedroom set. And uh yeah, this whole
thing though, is this whole scene, this old open is
don't turn on the lights because I'm in trouble. Next scene,

(13:19):
what do we do? And then I'm like fine, like, okay, cools.
The next I just meant to just keep the lights
off for a moment. Well, Danielle hasn't mentioned it, she
normally does. Your shirt is enormous. Yeah, it's like, I mean,

(13:40):
we're gonna I'm going to be wearing tight clothes for
the rest of the time, exactly. And actually Ben's clothes
are significantly smaller, which I think was also to tie
in for the amazing joke we get in the next scene.
But one thing I will also say, aside from the
enormous clothes, writer, I noticed how big your hands were
in this episode. Yes, you were using your hands, and

(14:00):
I was like, he is like a puppy dog with
these giant paws, enormous, enormous and it was just a
skinny little like but I was kind of tall for
my Yeah, but you said you didn't grow because I
was trying to think about that when when the scenes
where you're next to Ben, you're clearly four or five
inches taller than him. But by the end of the show,

(14:23):
is he taller than you? Are? You the same height?
Ben and I are the same height. He might be
a little taller than me. He might be like five
ft nine, But yeah, he definitely kept growing after this
and I did not, So this is it. So after
that bedroom scene, we go into Our Boy Meats World credits,
and then we continue in Corey's bedroom, lights turn on.
Sean says he climbed in the window and tells Corey

(14:43):
not to tell anyone he's in the house because he's
a fugitive. Sean explains that he wanted to light a
cherry bomb. It was in his pocket all day, begging
him to light it and to blow something up, but
then he panicked on K Street near Alan's store, and
he lit it and threw it in the mailbox out
of fear. I also like that right off the bat,
the way they get it out that you weren't going

(15:04):
to hurt anybody, to save the cat moment, the absolute
save the cat moment. Yes, Ben says, why didn't you
just throw it? And you said there were people around,
I couldn't hurt somebody. Automatically sets the tone that this
is not a kid you have to be worried about,
Like he was not. He's not he's not dangerous, He's
like just the right amount of dangerous and it's funny.

(15:27):
It reminded me of the like, uh, when I'm talking
about like having the cherry bot in my pocket, like
needing to light it. It's like the exact same thing
with the burger when he just had his burger, it
left his burger. It's like, there's this weird like Sean
is addicted to being bad. Yeah, compulsive like that, which
I mean, I guess is kind of true for how

(15:47):
kids feel. I don't know, but I don't know if
I ever felt that way as a kid. But it's
funny that like it's it's written almost as if Sean
is a victim of his own impulse, like he can't
control it. You know, it's not it's if he's conscious
and he thinks about it, he woudn't do this, but
he can't help it. It's but it's also the way
that they set it up and the way that you acted.
It was awesome. Where it was you didn't have matches,

(16:07):
you had no way to light it. So the way
that they set it up was the matches were right there.
You found them on the street, So it was as
it was, it was fate. You had to do it
because it's you know, you didn't have any way to
actually light them. You weren't fully Yeah, so that's a
cool way that they wrote it, where it's like it's fate,
they put somebody put this in front of me. I

(16:28):
had to do this, and then you were like and
then I didn't even know it was lit. I looked
down and it's already sparking in my hand. So that
whole kind of moment I thought was very well acted
and also well written, where it's like it had nothing
to do with me. I could not do this. You
guys probably wouldn't remember this, but I actually blacked out
during run through with this scene. Um like fainted. Yeah,

(16:51):
I didn't. I I ended up just sitting on the bed.
But so what I remember happening is, um, if you
if you notice as a as an actor, probably my
my weakness, but that also is kind of a strength,
is that I don't I don't really have control of
my instrument, you know, like I'm kind of like my
voice is all over the place, my body is a
little awkward, like and I was breathing so much in

(17:13):
the scene that I hyperventilated. I was like breath acting
so and I just got so much that I like
literally the world went black and I sat back on
this on this and completely lost track of my pages
and where it was. It was the middle of the the
run through was awful, Like I remember like kind of
coming to and like calming down everybody being like it's okay,
it's okay, let's just pick it up from you know whatever.

(17:36):
But yeah, I just like worked myself up, so you know,
like scene about like van a frenzy with my breath
like freaking out about talking to Corey and no da
da da dad that I remember like my vision just
going like turning black and I fell back on the
bed and yeah, I got tunnel vision. I fell back
on the bed and it was like, okay, let's calm down. Yeah,
Like I just I just never had control, Like I

(17:57):
didn't know what I was, you know. I was just
like throwing my off. And this is something that I
remember I used to do all the time too, Like
this is why I was so bad at stunts, like
as an actor. It is like I couldn't pull back
like will. I used to always hurt people or hurt
myself like I would just I throw myself. I commit
so wholeheartedly, like you know my own peril and the
other actors around me. It's awful. But I have a

(18:17):
question right before before we move on, because we blew
past it very quick. And I could be wrong, but
I think I know you pretty well. In the opening
scene where you're saying, don't turn on the lights all
this stuff, were you about to break? I don't think so,
you know, seem like there was a moment where just
you looking at Ben, because it's always the moments where
it's just you and been looking at each other where
there's nothing to say and you've got to like hold that.

(18:40):
It looked for a moment was like, oh, I think
he's right about to break right there. So I don't know.
I'm just winn I'm just curious to go back and
watch that again. There's also in the editing of that
back and forth in that opening scene, there's like a
terrible continuity with the door. The door is like open
at one time, and then it cuts back to Ben
and it's closed and then it's and so that that
annoyed me because it was so like intense. I was
really like on this back and forth and then I

(19:01):
was like, wait, throws open um. But writer, it's funny
that you said that you worked yourself into a frenzy,
because a couple of things that I think is just
amazing about this scene is one I thought to myself,
I love how out of breath he is. He's just
run from this thing. He's a fugitive. I really feel
that he is the perfect mix of scared about what

(19:22):
he did, but also elated, excited, exhilarated by what he did.
And yeah, and also you being able to pace. Have
you ever tried to get a child an actor to
pace in a scene? I have. They like to do it.
They don't like to do it. Yeah, I see what

(19:44):
you mean, because they want to be planted. They want
to be like presentation. They feel they feel like it's
too performative. They don't feel like they have it's not motivated.
And I am always trying to explain to them you
are talking to someone, but you are in your head
and you our motivation is because I have so much
energy after I have to tell you this and then
what happened, and you find the moments within the line

(20:06):
to plant, and every time you get real awkward, like
and I'm like, okay, never mind, we'll just skip the pacing.
Please don't pay it. You are an incredible pacer. Thank you,
thank you. Yeah, that's funny. You're right. I never thought
about that. But I'm like walking all over there. You're
walking all over the blades because you've got the energy. Corey,

(20:28):
who's stuck, you know, lost? And why am I never there?
He has to look back and forth like you are
a tennis ball. And it's great scene is now because
if you think about it, it's a dark scene. It's raining.
I did something bad that could be a real energy sucker.
Instead it is lively and energized, and I'm in and
I want to hear you keep telling the story. It

(20:49):
is so darn good. So um accomplish boy, what was
That's like the biggest stretch we've got. I think all
other boys that we've only seen one other? Yeah, one
in the kitchen. I'm accomplishable. Trying to make this work,

(21:12):
aren't they? They are just trying to make it work.
And then the scene ends with a great optical flip, yes,
optical flip. Yes, this is a sideways optical flip. When
he's like I'll be fine or I know you what
did I say? Like I know you're going to be bad. Yeah, yeah,
well I'll get okay, so right. Sean says that people
were freaked out. He can't go home because his dad

(21:33):
is going to kill him for getting in trouble. Corey
is going to let Sean hide in his room for
a couple of days, and Corey agrees, but Corey can't
tell his parents or Eric. They agree that Sean is
going to hide under the bed. Sean says he thinks
he's going to act weird keeping it a secret, but
Corey says, no, I won't act weird, and that's where
we get the amazing optical. I like, how how you doing? Too?
For under the bed? I thought that was a funny joke, Yeah,

(21:55):
opening up there? Oh hey, how are you doing? Yeah,
saying that it was. But Indie watched the episode was like,
what's down there? Who's down there? Who are you saying?
I was like, it's just a joke. Who would you say? Hi?
He wanted to see under the bed? He was like,
what was there already down there? Is? Lily didn't remind me.
Did we ever do an episode where there was something

(22:15):
like a ferret or something that crawled out from under
the bed? Uh? We did, pig right, we have the
was there a pig a little they were in the
closet that was in the school. But then I ended
up in my room at one point having a little quar.
Oh my god, I just I just realized it was
a Girl Meets World episode. Never mind moving on. It
was a Girl Meates World episode where Maya had a
ferret in her room. All right, I was an episode

(22:37):
of Cheers. My my bad, sorry alone, That's what it was. Okay,
So diner the optical flip of Bennett dinner, I know,
and he's putting all the meat loaf on his plate,
and then I love that he goes to run his
hands in his hair. He does this like yeah, he

(22:59):
goes like this on his on his curly hair doesn't
move anywhere, but he just runs it across his hair
behind his ear, like like he's putting his hair, his
hair behind his ear, which is amazing. Um Alan says
that Corey has grounded for two weeks, and Corey says,
why what did I do? When he says, we we
don't know, but the way you're acting, it seems like
it must be at least two weeks. And then there's
a loud noise from upstairs, and Corey says it's all

(23:21):
of the homework he has to do that fell off
of his desk, and then he runs off with some leftovers,
grabbing the piece of bread out of Alan's hand, and
we're back in Corey's bedroom. Corey brings Sewn a giant
plate of food and we have the amazing reveal of
Sean in Corey's better too tight, too small. Uh, yes,

(23:45):
this is my outfit for the whole episode. Uh. And
then Eric storms in and says he knows Corey is
up to something. Corey is hiding a puppy. Puppy. They
there clearly was some kind of meeting about me before
this episode, because they have changed my look entirely. Did

(24:08):
you notice this? I am No, it's I'm now in
big flannels. Yeah. They keep it open all the way
like it's almost covering my hands. It's very And then
for a couple episodes, I remember this was so somebody
somewhere went, now, this belt thing whatever you got him
tucked in, that's not right. Put him in giant flannels, um,

(24:31):
which kind of I guess became a thing there so
that I could tell right when I walked in. It's
like oh, I'm they have me totally different now Yeah,
new style for you. Yeah, new style out of nowhere.
It was very strange. But I also felt, for the
first time in a while, I walked on and I
was more comfortable. I was gonna say exactly that you
really had command in this set. Walked in you you

(24:53):
you had you had control of your body. You you
you you know manipulated the set really well. The way
you sat down, the way you had all the dialogue
about you guys are going to take over my chores.
You felt like Ah has taken over as Eric I feel.
I I agree, I felt I even wrote that down.
I was like, Okay, I'm definitely getting more comfortable. So
that was I was wondering when the moment was going

(25:14):
to be where I was going to see a scene
and go oh there and this might be it where
I was like, Okay, this is and Eric is nothing
in this episode. But for me as a personal note,
I was able to say, oh, they're okay. Yeah, I
feel like I'm more comfortable there. Yeah that was cool.
It was great. So Corey says that Eric is right,
but he let the puppy go outside the second story window.

(25:34):
Amy and Morgan come in so that Amy can bathe
Morgan and Corey's bathroom, and we had just seen that
in the yeah, lay out of the house. Now, okay, okay,
So here she says, we couldn't get into the bathroom
because of her bathroom was locked. Lily's Lily the door
from So what I figure is the bull share room
and Lily has one, and they can each get to

(25:55):
the same shared bathroom. And you went into the bathroom
and locked the doors, so that bathroom door, So Lily's
room is on the other side of the bathroom. Basically, yes,
were imagining. And did we ever do we ever see
Alan in Amy's room? Not ever in the history of
the show do we ever see do we ever see

(26:17):
Morgan's room? Like this is the only upstairs we ever
get to see at the house? Ye? This actually I
actually didn't real I didn't read it as though they
share a bathroom. I thought it was that she has
her own bathroom but the door was locked. Remember as
a kid, someone would like lock the door from the
inside and then close the door, and you had to

(26:40):
she says something the effective we couldn't get in from
Morgan's side. Yeah, forget how it's phased exactly, but the
implication is that they share the bathroom. The Morgan and
the boys share an upstairs bathroom, and I was like
trying to imagine because if you look in the like,
do we ever see into the bathroom, like where's the
other door? We well again that we do episodes, because

(27:01):
I specifically remember the one where Corey staring staring in
the mirror and I come in with the Mr Potato Head,
like you look like Mr Potato Head. So we do
scenes in the bathroom. There's two doors at that point,
I don't remember, but I do remember Lindsay by this
point playing Morgan coming into that scene. So she comes
into the bathroom with Corey and Eric. So I don't

(27:23):
know if she comes in from the same side or
if they allude to the fact that they share a bathroom.
But all right, so we do end up seeing the
bathroom upstairs, but other than that we never see I think,
So I don't think we will find out. There's never
an Allen an Amy scene. Is there up there no room?
So uh, we know Sean is hiding in the bathroom,

(27:45):
which is a big problem. But then just at the
right time, Sean comes back in through the window. So
there's also window out of the bathroom. There's a window
out of the bathroom that I guess goes to the treehouse.
Or how do you get from that bathroom window to
the sec in story window? You Spiderman scaled the house.
I don't know severely the tree the treehouse because I
think when I'm running in other episodes with UM with

(28:08):
Mr Turner, I end up dropping down from that tree
in the backyard. He catches me if I remember correctly,
like I'm trying to escape right, say that in this
episode you say I climbed the tree. I climb the
tree and went and came in the window. Yeah, I
mean say that. So it's you know, from the side yard.
I guess the tree and the bath The tree matches
up to the bathroom. The tree is big enough that

(28:29):
it goes from the bathroom to also his bedroom in
front of the bedroom. Yeah, okay, so eric ce Sean
but says he doesn't want to know what's going on,
but he does need he wants to UM. Yeah exactly.
He decides to bribe them, Uh, they're going to do
all of his chores, and at that time Alan comes
in says it's time to take out the trash and

(28:49):
up Corey volunteers. So then we are in Phoeni's class
very quickly. Sorry you say you don't like to do stunts,
and it wasn't even a stunt, but the look on
your face when you just drop out of frame because
you don't do it big. You just go you like
kind of your body like your bones just go water
and you just put it very fer When I tuck
under the bed, yeah, I was like, this is there's

(29:14):
some like hijinks going on. It was very very far
for the time. He was good on this episode and
all of those beings. I was like, oh, this is fun.
Caught the same thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you could have
easily not gotten a laugh on the fall, like it
could have just been a frantic fall, but the way
you did it, you ended up finding a laugh where
there shouldn't have been one. To your point earlier, Danielle

(29:35):
about how you kind of wish that the lesson had
been introduced earlier, you know with I Actually, what I
really appreciated about this episode is that it stays in
this sort of like hijink Cee, you know, like hiding
Sean and in the bedroom and the vacuum later and
all this, all these like little bits that you know
are fun. Like I think if we if we it
got too heavy handed early on, it wouldn't have earned

(29:56):
that ending. But the fact that that classroom scene, I
don't know, I felt like, if you know, because even
this scene that we're about to enter the Telltale heart,
it is more fun that you know, it's more fun
than it is serious. Like into early it would have
felt like not it would have felt like a very
special episode of World as it comes to a hijinks
episode of Boy Means World. At the end, there's also

(30:17):
a great lesson, Yeah, rips your heart out. Yeah, Well,
it's still at the end of the day, it's still
this is the thing that I forgot because of of
how much we know this. This episode was important for
Sean and important for writer. At the end of the day,
it's still a Corey episode. It's still Corey learning about
his friendship and his choices and how he is in

(30:37):
the dynamic of the friendship. And we're following Corey as
he's hiding Sean as opposed to following Sean as he's
going through something which I thought was kind of an interesting,
interesting way to write it, frankly, because it's still about Corey,
so yeah, kind of quite cool. All right, you're right, writer,
I take back my original comment. Way to be wrong, Danielle.

(30:59):
I was wrong. I was wrong. I'd like to issue
a public apology, not just to writer, um, but really
to everybody. How many times you have in this episode?
I don't know, but I actually forgot I was in
this episode altogether, and then when I saw myself, I
was like, oh, I'm actually in this episode, um political
statement sitting so I know you have to set up

(31:21):
the scene, but just the first thing we see sitting
there watching it with my wife last night, and she's like,
that has to be the biggest Danielle's hair will ever
be on this show. Your hair was so big it
so made those Richard Carusoe curlers you really do in
their work. So Tapanga tells Mincus that Sean was making
a political statement with the cherry bomb. Mr Feenie walks

(31:43):
in and tells the class that Shawn's parents said he
didn't come home last night, and he alludes that maybe
Corey knows where Shan is, and then Corey reveals he
knew exactly where the bomb was set off, and Mincas
spells a conspiracy and a cover up. Mr. I have
a question. I have a question, do you think because
I know what I think? Do you think by this

(32:03):
point in my head, Alan and Amy the second they
heard the bumps upstairs, essentially new Sean was up there.
Pheney called them, was it calls them? Yeah? He if
Phoene found out first climbing in yesterday called the Matthews,

(32:24):
which we never saw happened off camera. So they didn't
know when you were up there with a puppy, but
obviously that night, later on that night, because otherwise they
would have called the cops. Right, That's what I'm doing.
Sean's parents, Yeah, that's what I figured. So they Sean
Perry knew where he was the entire time, which is
a little bit of a stretch. So at this point
they are testing Corey. They're like, this entire situation like

(32:47):
is to test Corey because that means a teacher and
two sets of parents, Sean's parents and are are waiting around,
knowing what the situation is, waiting around for Corey to
do the right or Sean to do the right thing. Yeah,
it's really interesting extreme test. So that's what I meant.
Phoenie knew this. He walks in, he knows Sean is missing,

(33:09):
and this is all again about Corey getting core a
lesson to get Corey to do the right thing. Yeah,
it's kind of intense actually think about Yeah, it's a
little it's a little elaborate. I don't think. I don't
think as a parent, I would be comfortable with another
set of parents keeping my kids so they can test
their kid on his moral you know, compass. That's a

(33:29):
little weird. It is a little it's a little far fetched.
But also we have established that maybe Sean's parents aren't
the most ideal parents in the world. Well, here's the thing,
and doesn't care about any other student. This is this
is the thing that hit me. That probably didn't really
occur to me at the time, but like certain and
it's in the next scene, but like it is like

(33:54):
is Sean being hit by his dad? Like is he
It seems like that, It seems like that's the underlying
thing because he says, he's like, my dad's gonna kill me.
He'll he'll kill your dad to get through to me.
And it's such a genuine fear and like that Shawn's
willing to run away from another his best friend and
his parents parents and go to school to sleep on
the ground. I was like, oh, this is darker than

(34:15):
I thought. This is like, you know, this is probably
a kid who's like genuinely scared of one of his
parents or both of his parents in a way that like,
you know, we don't have to say on the show,
but I think probably, um, you know, a lot of
kids watching would have related to in a very you know,
in a sense of abuse, like like oh, I need
to get away from my parents. And you know what
else it made me think of is whether or not

(34:36):
they let your parents know that you were there, and
it was you know, what keep him, you know, like
if there was you know, a little bit of like
yeah exactly like you know he's yeah, like yeah, that's
kind of what I thought. But which which again is
completely different to when they actually later cast Chet, because

(35:01):
they cast kind of a big teddy bear who may
might have always made the wrong decisions or right, might
always be looking for the next kind of but nothing
about Blake came off as he was would have been
physically abusive, like he wasn't intimidating. So it's interesting how
they probably, you know, the character obviously changes as they
as they move forward, but I thought the same thing.

(35:23):
I was like, wow, is he is he staying away
because he he's going to actually get the hell beat
out of him? I mean it's like I think so, yeah,
I think it was an underlying used to believe. Like,
having watched it now, I'm like, yeah, the the the
the intensity of my emotions, especially in the next scene
and then the last classroom scene, I was like, well,
well we'll get to it. But yeah, it doesn't I

(35:43):
mean again not to not to take it to a
whole different place, but then it doesn't. Don't you think
with the character the way they've set up Alan, if
Alan knew that Sean was getting actually physically hit, don't
you think Alan would have done something? Yeah? I mean
I think here's the thing. I think the show is
kind of having it both ways, right. It's implying that

(36:04):
my character might be over overreacting, and and that my
dad quote unquote going to kill me is metaphor just
like perbly write um. But I also think that for
a lot of people who are spanked or smacked around
by their parents and in a way that they rationalize

(36:25):
and that parents don't think of as abuse, which I
think still continues to go on and certainly was happening
to a lot of families. I think that this storyline
would have spoken to those kids and to those families
and would have directly addressed that issue, you know, because
I definitely think that. Yeah. I mean, if if we
had said out loud, like, oh, my dad is going
to hit me, then it would have become a very

(36:47):
special episode, which we did do later, we did an
abuse of an episode about a child abuse with Arianna
Richard exactly. So by not saying that, but by implying it,
it's sort of like the show can have it both ways,
is and and it can speak to that issue without
having to really address it head on. And I think
that that was really kind of cool. Like I watching

(37:08):
it this time, I was I was just struck by
how emotional my character was, like how how sad my
character was, and how scared my character was, And it
seemed severe to me. It seemed more, it seemed extreme,
you know, it didn't seem like this is a kid
just worried about getting in trouble. It seemed like This
is a kid contemplating completely running away from his home
life because his home life sucks that bad. And we

(37:29):
didn't even have to do that much about it, you know,
we have to discuss it too much. But the it
justest struck me as very severe and that's kind of cool.
I think that's part of the reason why people relate
to Sean, you know why people have said to me
over the years, like your your character felt like something
slightly different on this show, and it felt like I
could relate to that character more than I could relate
to the Matthews. Um, I think there's a lot of

(37:51):
people out there who felt that way. Yes, so, uh.
Mr Feenie begins reading The Tell Tale Heart by Edgar
our Loves. I love that he never looks down at
the book, just directly, so funny, and Bill's voice is

(38:15):
just so you know, he's just one of those people
you want to hear reading great literature, him doing it
looking right at Corey. I was dying. Jensen asked if
there was some sort of effect in Ben's shirt that
was like doing a heartbeat, but there wasn't. It was
just him using his chest to Breathe have we done
the push ins before have we done like a pushing
on the body. It was interesting the way they did

(38:37):
that was the first time where I was ever like
boom right in on the heart the thunderclasp and the
lightning going and the crash and everything. Yeah, Corey has
a stunned look on his face. Well, Poenie reads and
we focus on his very deep breaths, and then we
have a commercial break. We come back. We're in Corey's bedroom.
Amy is vacuuming the room and hits Sean in the head,
who is hiding under the bill. So well, very funny.

(39:02):
Corey walks in talking to Sean, but quickly realizes his
mom is there, and she says she found what Corey
is hiding. His telltale heart starts pounding again that he
organized his closet. Sean is a cleaner kid than Corey. Well,
Sean had a lot of time on his I had
a lot of time on his hands. Because he talks
about it. He's like, your video games are very outdated.

(39:25):
Now there's a pong reference. So this is what if
we were to do this today, what would be the
rest I don't even know what was before? Would be
like sorry, your Mario, I mean, it's like there'd be
something because no one would get pong, he said, Pong
today my whole thing. Yeah, games anymore, everything's iPad, at

(39:45):
least at Indie's age. I don't know. I think when
you're older, still PlayStation thirty or whatever it is now
PlayStation whatever it is. Yeah. So Amy leaves and Sean
comes out from under the bed. He admits he cleaned
the closet, and Corey braggs that he didn't snatch. Uh.
This is where we get some of the hands through

(40:05):
the head because you've now been hit by the head
with the vacuum. I mean hands with the hair, not
hands with the head, um Sean, and then shot shot shot.
Oh sorry. Alan then comes up and tells Corey he
put about six bills in the mailbox outside of his
story yesterday and he heard what Sean did. Corey seems
very guilty, and then Sean sneezes that this is a

(40:26):
great little beat, a great little beat. He's so fast.
The minute it happens, He's like, huh, sorry, funny, and
then Alan says bless you, and he goes thank you.
So cute. Alan is telling a story about someone he
went to school with who was like Sean, dangerous troubled kid.
Alan then jumps back onto the bed without Sean and

(40:50):
knowing Sean is hiding there and is obviously talking to Sean,
but without giving it away. Alan says, of Corey ever
does anything bad, he can always come home. That nothing
is as worse, nothing is as bad as not coming home.
And he says he's a come homer. Don't worry, dad,
I'm a real come homer, come homer. But I had

(41:11):
forgotten how much Alan and Amy were in the show.
For lack of a better way to put there. I
just as you know, you're sixteen, you're doing your scenes,
you're in school, you're doing that stuff. You don't realize
how intricral the parents were so huge. I mean, it's ugly.
He was so good in this scene, and just the

(41:32):
emphatic way you can always come home, it was I
thought it was. He's a genius Brilliana. And the second
jump on the bed I loved too, just for no reason.
That one he just gets up and jumped back. Alan
then leaves, and Corey tries to convince Shawn to just
explain what happened to Alan. He can work it all
out and Seawan says, no, I can never go back home.
So this is I remember, Um, we recently were doing

(41:56):
the Q and A episode and were asked about improv
This was being a horrible actor at this age. I
remember I improvised the word mischievous into this scene. Okay.
It was like I said, it's like we do these
little mischievous things or like instead of like bad things

(42:16):
or whatever. I'm not it's the line I blew up
with my and I remember thinking, oh, I I understand
this script, like I understand what Sean like the message
that Sean is saying, and so adding the word mischievous
makes it clearer. Remember Michael and the entire writing staff
coming out and being like what was this word? What
was this word in the script? What is this doing here?

(42:36):
And my heart just sinking. He's like, there's a word.
What was it? Well, and they're all looking in the
script like he's in. Michael's like, no, he said this
word that wasn't doesn't make any sense, And I said mischievous.
He's like yeah, and I was like yeah, He's like
did you improvise mischievous? Oh my god. Yeah. He's like, don't.
That's not the way kids talk, which is absolutely true,

(42:59):
but you know, like it's you know, because like being
a good actor, especially being a good improv actor, means
being in the moment and being present and being being
a part of your character. I was like clearly intellectualizing
and like thinking in terms of like, you know, a
better word that would help clarifying. Yeah, it's like Sean
would ever use the word mischievous horrible acting. I disagree.

(43:21):
I think it's good acting. I think it's just more
right than anything else because at that age would absolutely
have used the word mischievous. So that's so funny. Don't
don't do that. That is really funny. Um, I don't. Yeah,
I'm sure I have moments like that where I tried
to improvise, or maybe I just never had any uh confidence, yeah,

(43:43):
or even just confidence like oh yeah, no, that's definitely
going to get shot down. I remember, I can remember
a specific time where you did something where you one
up to me and got a much bigger laugh. You
you mean, yeah, you built on my laugh and got
an even bigger laugh and stole the scene and was awesome.
I know exactly the moment it was. We can wait
for we can wait fourteen years to get to it
if you want, or we can talk about it now.

(44:05):
Let's just wait fourteen years. It was the episode, the
black and White episode where we go back to CASABLANCT
and we're you're I'm sitting across the desk, um, and
you come in to hire me and you're like, tell
to me straight, stupid or something like that, and I
say something and I put my hand on the desk,
and you had never done this before, but in front

(44:27):
of the audience you then say it back and put
your hand in front of mine, and it's just the
way you did it, built on my laugh and got
a much bigger laugh. So there were times you did stuff, Danielle,
don't sell yourself. I can remember several of them, but
that one always jumps into my head. Well, thank you.
I can't wait to watch that. Okay, we'll get to
that in I'll be sixty. So Corey calls for Alan,

(44:49):
but Sean bolts out the window. Alan sees Corey yelling
Shawn's name out the window. Um, yeah, this kind of
bummed me out. This kind of bummed me out for Sean,
even though I think you know Corey was I was
like that sucks man. Your friend. Yea, yeah, but to
me it spoke to the severity of Seawan's fear, you know,

(45:09):
like that you just can't I couldn't get over this episode.
It was like, really, dude, dude, like it's it's that big,
it's that big of a deal that you're gonna avoid
your parents. That kind of seems like, yeah, it seems like, yes,
it really was that bad. So then we are in
the Matthews kitchen. Corey tells his parents Sean is gone,
and he admits that he was hiding him under the bed.
His parents continue to pretend they didn't know. Ish then

(45:31):
of course they admit that they knew the entire time
that Sean was hiding. Mr Feeney saw him sneaking in
and called them, and Corey then says, well, you didn't
tell Sean's parents, did you, And they say, of course,
we told Sean's parents, but he knew that he was
safe in our house for the time being. Alan then
says that Sean has some rough edges and he can
go one of two ways. Alan admits he was like

(45:52):
Sean as a kid and he had a best friend
like Corey. Based on my mind, I did not remember
this right away. Oh my god, I thought it was
so cool that Alan compares himself to Sean. That is
such a great turn, because I guess the assumption would
be coy, he was the Corey. And the fact that

(46:13):
you know the turn is like I was that and
I had luckily I had my friend Richie. I just loved.
I just thought it was such a nice moment and
something that like I had forgotten. And I don't know
if we do this again where Alan identifies with Sean,
because that's a cool touch. I don't know. Remember the
Cult episode, and there's a bunch of different ones. I

(46:33):
remember him standing up for me in the Cult. Think
there's a couple of times he identifies. So cool. You
know what's really cool about it is that it humanizes
and doesn't otherwise for we we have sometimes given UM
the show a little bit of crap for other rising nerds,
and you know the way we've talked about those weirdos. Yeah,

(46:53):
and yet then to its credit, if we're going to
criticize when it other rises, we also have to give
it credit when it doesn't. It really humanizes that even UM.
It humanizes the idea of going the other way that
not that there really is no such thing as a
bad guy. That it's just person, a person who has

(47:15):
made bad choices and is a little lost. Yes, and
that the kid. There's those thing as a bad kid,
which I think is in which you know it's yeah,
you can still go either way. And again, Rusty just
killing it. I mean he's so good. Maybe speaking of
bad kids, maybe this is a good time for a
little too much shirts. Yes, a great kid. Let's play

(47:38):
ended up not talking so much about which is you know,
we didn't talk so much about the episode as uh,
whether Indy thinks he's a good influence or a bad influence. Yeah,
so my character got in trouble. Who um, have you
ever a little firecracker? No? I don't think you have

(48:00):
it all. Do you have any interest in lighting firecrackers? Dad?
It seems like you don't even know me. What does
that mean? Lovely lighting fire quackers? But have we ever
done it? Do you think you are a good influence
or a bad influence on your friends? I don't know.
Are you the one that says let's break the rules
and do something bad here or are you the one

(48:22):
who said, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop what you're doing? Because
we got to follow the rules. Some people say they
wout to break out of school, what they draw plans
for it? And once the girl she actually went out
of this school. She dug a hole under the fence. Yeah,
he dug a hole and went under the fence out

(48:43):
of the school. Did she get caught, Yeah, she went
back in. But you think I'm free and that you
just culled back into the school. So she wasn't really
going to run away from school. She was. She literally
had like her backpack, her water bottle. Would you brought
money with her to buy because he was because there's

(49:06):
like a little food market school. Now you would you
run away from school or would you run away from home? Ever?
You think if you ran away from home, where would
you go? I'd go to my backyard and just trying
to camp out there. Ja, my parents still know him
out here. I keep waving to them, a little widow,

(49:28):
but I'm sure they don't see me. Green worsh meadows
on the side of my trampoline, D D D do
I go to my backyard and I'm there for at
least forty two days. Don't ever run away? You can
always come home, Yes, father wink alone. Is that why

(49:58):
he's counting the days that he's he's gone. No, But
I just loved it. When I asked him if he's
going to run away, he runs away to his own
house yard. I was like, great, that's all I needed
to hear. Dude, you're a good kid. That's all you
can think of exactly. I was like, if that's the
farthest you want to go, it was our backyard. Also,

(50:19):
he's waving to you. The only reason he hasn't been
rescued is because you'd haven't seen him. Who at that
age is tunneling under a fence? I know, isn't that intense?
I mean, is there no open gate? You've got a tunnel?
What's what's happening? Oh? Man, that's great. I'm so glad

(50:40):
we had a too much shirts. I know, you only
like to do it when he's like really interested in
doing it. So I'm glad he had some time off
because that was a great one. So, based on Alan's
own experience, Alan says, Corey will know what to do
when Sean comes around. And then it is very late
at night. We are in Phoene's classroom very quickly before
we get to the classroom. I have to point out
Eric in the back of the kitchen scene for some

(51:03):
reason just is cooking something and then leave you And
we're just gonna leave and leave the stove unattended. That's
something obviously very much needs. Run out And now I'm
leaving one of the cigarette at that moment, it's like,
get me out of here. I delivered my lives, I'm gone,

(51:24):
and that was it. I just left. So I just
wanted to quickly point that out because it was these
are episodes where they obviously wanted the family to be
there but had nothing for us to do, so there
wasn't even business. It was just like and Eric exits,
that was it. I know I noticed that too, but
I did think at least it looked like you were
running out after Morgan as opposed to just like go.

(51:44):
It looked like you were chasing after her because I've
just decided to leave. Got a smoke. Uh So does
anybody do you guys remember the weird rain strip? I
really noticed it in the Phoenies classroom scene. Do you
guys remember the strip that went up against the window
and that's how all the water just ran down the glass? Yeah,
that's cool. Really cool the effect it has. Can I

(52:07):
ask where Sean got a sleeping bag if he wasn't
using a good question for and he was wearing Corey's
clothes and he can stole it from We didn't see
him grab it on the way out. No, he didn't
take it on the way out, so he obviously he
either robbed his sporting goods store on the way to
Phoene's or he somehow had a sleeping bag. Yeah, I

(52:27):
think he probably stole it. That the implication is that
a broke a window somewhere, all right, Yeah, I know,
but not close, because yeah, I'm making him a real
bad kid, like he sold Heroin to make sure to
get the season bag. It's like, I think it's finally
just props going gas. Just throw a sleeping bag there. Yeah.
So Mr Feenie walks in and we see Sean sleeping
in a sleeping bag under his desk. Seawan asks if

(52:49):
Corey ratted him out, but Phoenie says Corey has actually
been a loyal friend. And then Phoenie, while holding a
strong canvas he left in class over the weekend, says,
once the integrity has been breached, even the strongest fabric
can unravel even the strongest friendship, right, it's metaphor. I

(53:09):
also like how he said, you know, he's been a
loyal friend. You're the one who's screwing up the friendship,
Like the second you asked somebody to lie for you
about something like this, you're the one who's the bad friend,
not the other way around. I thought that was a
really really cool point. Yeah, very true. And then I
love his little here have a bandanna. Um, Okay, not

(53:34):
to get into this because we got so many of
the emails about the Llama, but how do we know? Yes,
Alan says you when since he's picked since he learned
to pick the lock on your plays a joke that
we've been friends since the Lama pen but that goes
all okay, or you guys have been friends since again,

(53:56):
sometimes families get raised together in certain ways and you've
been friends since you were like you just always been friends,
been friends as you were too. So I didn't know. Yeah,
I didn't know how that was going to read. But
you can send about it. I appreciate it. I do
think it was Alan making a joke, but I did
I did like that it sold the idea that you
guys have been friends forever, and he's always been this.
He's always been the kid with the rough edges. Yeah,

(54:17):
and apparently a lot picks it at a very young age. So, yeah,
Corey comes into the entrance. Yeah, it's not Monday. I know.
He comes into the class with an empty bag instead
of the things that Sean asked for. It just visual.
Why do you need the bag if you're not going
to bring it? Why? It's touch, man, it's a nice

(54:39):
visual touch. It makes it a scene. But so it's
for the TV show because not for his friend, Okay,
because it's like you literally carried the empty bag there too,
then hand it to him to open it up to
show the bag was empty. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
it's a nice dramatic touch. I get what you're saying
it's a cheap, but I thought, okay, I think it's
nice because then I get to react to it. It
was opposed to I didn't bring you anything. You know,

(55:01):
if you can tell something visually, I guess action seems
a little it seems a little ridiculous. Let me let
me go get an empty bag and bring the empty
bag in with me. I see both sides. I didn't
feel like, hey, that's not logical, but I did appreciate
the visual touch of it. I didn't I got the
visual I just didn't make a lot of sense to me.
But anyway, Corey says he drove to the school with

(55:23):
Shawn's parents. Sean tries to keep running and he even
threatens to beat up Corey, and Corey begs Sean to
go home, even if that means he'll be grounded. Sean
says he's going to be killed, and Corey says, well,
we're twelve, we live again. And then Sean kind of
quickly makes the decision all right, I'll go out to
my parents, and you kind of walk out with almost

(55:45):
a little bit of a smile on your face, like
all right, buddy. And then it made me think, maybe
it's not quite so bad at your house. Maybe it's
not that you're that afraid. But I don't know. I
think they just didn't want to end it on such
a bummer. Note. Uh, I remember this scene so well.
I remember yes, and I remember Ben being very very

(56:09):
excited to do this scene, very nervous about it in
a in a good way, excited more than nervous. But
like I remember, I think this was the first time
that Ben felt like he got to do drama on
our show. And and you can see it in his face,
like he is so present and he is so um

(56:29):
both of you are confident, Like he is so confident
in his like no, I'm just going to stand here
until you you know, you have to beat me up
to get me out of the way. And he's a rock.
He's a rock. And I remember Ben and me both
like pulling each other aside and amping up for the scene,
like we thought we were doing something really important. We
thought we were doing a dramatic scene, and and and

(56:51):
we cared. And I remember him caring so much about
this scene, and um that there's there's there's a moment
in the scene that I was like kind of taken
aback by. And I remember the switch, which is I'm
he grabs me and works almost like in this physical confrontation,
and my line is, um, what do you want for me?

(57:15):
And I think I had been reading it like confrontational,
like what do you want from me? You know, like
we're sort of going at it still, and instead what
ends up happening is I like, have this really kind
of sad? What do you want for me, And it's like,
that's like the most Shaun Hunter moment of all right,
like this whereas like it's gonna be internal sadness as

(57:38):
opposed to external confrontation. And it's like, and that's what
I mean, like the depths of Sean's home life in
this scene, like when he says I'm gonna They're gonna
kill me. It's just like, I don't know. For me,
I was watching this going like, oh wow, this feels
way more severe than it probably should be on the sitcom. Yeah,
but yeah, you're right. Then it kind of wraps up
really quickly and it's fine, and then we see me

(57:59):
in the next and I'm happy and I just got
grounded and everything was okay. But these little glimpses that
we get in these moments of like drama, it's pretty intense,
I think pays out the rest of the both of you,
both of you. It did take the whole relationship to
a whole different level. You kind of again, you saw
it a little bit with the with the Santa's Little Helper,

(58:19):
but this was a totally different Again, that was all confrontation, right,
that was all like screaming at each other and throwing
the basketball, and this like reaches this weirder point where
it's like it stops and we sort of aren't in
confrontation anymore, and we just have to sit with our
emotions and our relationship and make a decision like, Okay, Corey,
you're right, You've won this argument because you're just you're

(58:40):
just such a good friend, and like there's no denying
you know. I don't know. It's nice, it's great. It's
a really great scene. And then we are in the
Matthews living room. There's a knock at the door. Corey asks,
what day is it? Amy says it's the nineteen Corey
knows it's Sean. He freaks out, opens the door, and
the no longer grounded Sean is ending there free after

(59:01):
a month of being grounded, and we see the famous handshake.
So much fun, and then I go to the TV.
I love that moment, like, yeah, you go to the TV.
Amy is on the computer with a truly tragic line,
which is, I've got five more numbers to enter on
this spreadsheet for the I've got your computer. She's got

(59:28):
computer make on the machine. Five more numbers in this spreadshet,
this abacus yeah, I just gotta It is so just
every it's all set up for everything, right like the game.
It's it's triple overtime, and you're on the phone with
the girl. Of course, what you're saying like I almost
had her? Yeah, I got her most almost tripped her

(59:51):
in my claws. And then the power goes out and
everyone panics. I didn't say have my Dolly's hair. I
don't get to have the date. The triple overtime. Amy
asks if Alan paid the electric bill, and he says,
of course he did. On sherry Bomb day. I thought

(01:00:15):
it was a very cute. I thought that was so
that was really set up very well. And then Sean
jumps up and see him at the door, which I,
what is that? Who did that? Somebody said that some
famous person said good night everybody. I think it was
Johnny Carson. Maybe Ny Carson had no idea. They had
to tell me how to say that, like what you know.
Every first take was just like good night everybody or whatever.

(01:00:38):
But they were like, no, no, it's a bit do
a whole thing. And I think I do it a
couple of times. I think there's another episode I do
the exact same thing. I feel like this repeated. Yeah,
well really truly a great episode, right, I mean super
important show and for Sean, yeah, absolutely really defining episode
for the show. Uh well, some episode we get like

(01:01:00):
this is the last one of the season, which is
where to Panga and Corey do their sock? Well, if
Disney Plus is right, which they haven't been in the past,
that's not the last episode of the season. It's the
second to last episode of the season. Sirrel was the
name of the episode, and and it's the second to
last episode of the season. So I don't know if
that's another Disney that's the next sort of defining episode

(01:01:21):
of our show, where you know where it's like, oh,
this is what the show is going to be. It's
like this one Corey's alternative friends, that last episode you're
I'll be really interested to see. Will if in every
episode from here on out you are as comfortable in
your skin as you were in this episode. I wonder
if this was the real turning moment where you were like,

(01:01:42):
I got it. I hope it was the earthquake man
change in California. It was that, and we we were
just talking about the earthquake again. That whole week was Aftershocks. Yeah,
an episode. It's front of a live audience. I don't
think with this episode because because everything was broken was

(01:02:04):
there was and you're you're also all of a sudden
on a set and firmly aware that you are standing
underneath lots of hanging lights and heavy stuff. I remember
being terrified at people being like, actually, this is one
of the safest places to be, which I don't know
if that's true. But the whole lights were changed, remember,

(01:02:24):
like they weren't just clipped up. They also had a
metal chance to everything. But you just look up and
see all this swinging stuff. It's like in the horror
movies where all of a sudden you're just around swinging
blades everywhere. It's like, oh, everything here can kill me.
So yeah, it was that was to do this show
and this performance for especially the I would say, the
three of you, you and Ben and Rusty to do

(01:02:46):
this this week, which was arguably one of the most
uncomfortable weeks of my life, so I have to imagine
it was for everybody else. Because the whole ground was
shaking randomly all the time. Is pretty impressive. The house
we were living in at the time moved off the Foundation. Yeah,
oh my god, it's not. It was. It was pretty

(01:03:08):
pretty crazy. It was quite an earthquake. Um. Yeah. So
going back to what we were talking about with the
final episodes of the season, the final episode of season
one is called I Dream of Phoenie, and the second
to last episode, at least as far as Disney Plus
is concerned, is Boy Meets Girl. So we will double
check to see if Disney Plus is writer if we
need to go back to the DVD order I Dream
of Phoenie, the one where he's like Ben thinks he

(01:03:29):
puts a curse, Corey thinks he puts a curse on Peenie,
and Phoenie's like starts showing up everywhere. Yes, that one,
it is okay. And I just got word from Tara
that Disney Plus is right that that is the correct order.
So it is not that Boy Meets Girls the second
to last episode of the season. We will get to that.
But our next episode that you will hear us recap
is season one episode eighteen, It's a Wonderful Night, which

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