TGI - Episode 202 (“Pairing Off”)

They knew the episode was coming, but that doesn’t make it any less awkward! It’s finally time to make our way into Alan and Amy’s bedroom for a little make out sesh, as Will gets hot & heavy with some never before heard details. And the Cory / Topanga storyline we all know and love sure seems far in distance as Cory has eyes for another student and is beginning to feel the effects of puberty.

Will the gang ease into the Season 2 changes, or will they continue to feel their way through the new surroundings in complete shock?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well, it's guys, are you still writing two on your checks?
Will be until like November. I uh, last year was
the fact, I think, the fastest year of my life,
and I already have the feeling of like that with
I mean, I know, we talked about how old we
are all the time. I'm not going to do it again,

(00:38):
but it is just truly crazy how you can be
aware that time is going by really fast even while
it's happening that like when it will be March of
this year, we're gonna all look at each other and go,
it's already March, and then in June it's already June.
It's already summer, September. So the glass half full version
of that, which i've also which I've realized is when

(00:59):
something that is happening, yeah you're going through a hard period,
it also moves fast, do you know what I mean?
Like you know, uh, for me, like you know, my
wife being gone for three months, like that went by
pretty fast actually, Like I was very nervous about that happening,
and then when that happened, I'm like, wait, that's already over.
Anything that you're scared of or anxious about also goes

(01:19):
by fast, and and and as you get older, things
get easier too. Yeah, things, you know, just normal adults.
Stuff suddenly is not that big of a deal like
I remember as a kid, you know, And I see
this with Indie all the time, like, yeah, he's the
weeks last forever, days last forever. But that the flip
side of that is, you know, school last forever. The

(01:40):
things he doesn't like also are such a drag. I
have to be in piano for thirty minutes. You're like, yeah, dude,
that's nothing. I know. So I try to try and
be optimistic about it. I wish I got to spend
more time with Indie. I think Indie would be like
my friend. Yeah he he will, he will be. You
guys should spend some more time to you. Got it.

(02:01):
Once your kids are like yeah, four plus both of them,
it will be really easy, you know what I mean.
Right now, it's like they're at the awkward set of
ages where they can't all just be kids in a
group together. Like you clearly have a seven year old,
three year old, one year old. Yes, that is not
a good combo. And that's what you have to realize
as a parent. Is like negotiating which couple of friends,

(02:23):
how old their kids are and whether they you know, boys, girls,
what the like calculus of kids group dynamics are going
to be. It's complicated, but yeah, I think I think
when you're three year old, aren't the Asn't that essentially
the age difference between us? So four years yeah, but
us at being you know, twelve and sixteen felt like

(02:45):
practically nothing. You guys were able to be really good friends.
But yeah, now now it is, it is definitely more.
You know, we say that, but I don't think Will
and I. I looked up to Will, Like I thought
Will was the coolest person I've ever met, and I
wanted to be share him. I wanted to beat him.
But we didn't hang out all that much until the
later season, right, like I would say, like we became

(03:07):
best best friends in real life the last two years
of Boy before I mean before then, you were because
you were older, you could go out with like Jason Marsden,
driving your cards. And I was still like when we
went to Amsterdam, I was sixteen, so there you go.
So that's when we like solidified her from yeah, okay,

(03:28):
I was sixteen and that was let's go to Amsterdam. Yeah,
she's I love thinking of Will is the responsible adult, Like,
how scary is that? My god? I was way more
of responsible. Responsible was the responsible one on that trip.
He went to Amsterdam and didn't come home. He fell

(03:49):
into an Amsterdam pole. I helped find him his apartment.
I found the apartment for him. My gosh. It was
the only thing that he did that was more responsible.
He got a hotel room. I was one. He was like,
show up at Amy now I'm sixty and I'll find
a place to stay. Oh my gosh. I went to
a hostel. I like, just I wanted to do like
the Europe. It was like totally like you know whatever,

(04:13):
and I wanted to meet people. And of course when
you're staying in a hostel, you have to sleep in
a room with like six other dudes, and people make
noises and it was awful and so crashing on your path.
I remember I was mocking Will for like, you know,
had this nice hotel room. But I remember flying and
I was like, why do you hotel room? Like you're
so such a yuppie. And then I like two days later,
I was like can I can I can I stay

(04:34):
in your room? Cool? You got two beds, and he
was like, fine, you remember that I totally made fun
of you. You weren't phazed by it at all. Like
I mocked you to your face, and I remember you
just be like, no, no, no, I like my nice
hotel room and I want to be comfortable and I'm
gonna eat McDonald's and You're not gonna make fun of me.
It was great. Oh man, what a wonderful city. That

(04:55):
was a fun trip. That was a fun trip all
the way around you. I was super heartbroken, but it
was from you were super You're on the same paper
that's still there, the phone is still there, on the
same really want to talk about your heartbreak at all.
I had just been dumped over the phone and I
was so I had been so in love, you know.

(05:16):
It was just a classic writer and so yeah, I
was like going to Amsterdam to like be with my
guy friend and get over her. And then I was
just so sad and I and I just Will is
such a good friend that we had. We finally had
the moment where we were also playing magic, the gathering

(05:36):
all the time, This is great and I'm we're we
just were somewhere. I think we had a cafe having
a conversation and I was talking about my broken heart
and my feelings and you were just like you know what, man,
you really like what what's the deal? Like you miss her?
You want her back? I was like yeah, I really do.
And you're like, well, then go get her. Go get her, dude,

(05:56):
go like call her right now, figure it out, like
make And I was like you really think you know?
You were like yeah, like if you feel this way,
you have to like go for it, like stop just wallowing,
stop just sitting here crying, like and you know, so
I had to figure out the timing with the hours
calling from Amsterdam ended up being like eleven o'clock at
night or whatever, and I could finally call. I go

(06:19):
to this pay phone. I wrote notes like what I
was to say, and I made the move. It was
like I remember just like on this phone for like
you know, long distance call, got her on the phone,
pled my case and nope, oh my god work. She
was just like no, no, you know I remember her

(06:40):
crying and being like I appreciate it, but no, it's
definitely over and um and I felt better, like it
was the best because I was like right like I
had been sort of wallowing and this self pity and
like the self loathing and and is it really over?
Is it? And then you did I do something? You know?
And Will was just like, hey, if you want this,

(07:01):
you know, you have to go for it. And and
I remember coming back to the hotel room like a
cried of course on the street by myself an Amsterdam,
and then like coming back to the hotel room and
like being kind of proud, you know, it was like, yeah,
well I did what you said. I made the move.
She doesn't want to be in a relationship. And I
was like, and I feel better. I was able to

(07:22):
do your can I say there is nothing better for
heartbreak than travel, getting yourself out of your physical environment.
You have a totally different perception on your life, on
the situation, on the relationship. You're out of your comfort zone.

(07:42):
You have that like that you give yourself that gift
of truly being able to have longer, deeper conversations with
people you care about about the and you yeah, you
you have you have courage you probably wouldn't have had
at home, writer, like, part of what gave you that
courage was that you were so far away and is
going to be a pay phone, and there was this
idea that it could work out in this romantic movie way,

(08:05):
and and you were like, I'm doing it, and then,
like you said, you felt better. I highly recommend for
anybody who's able to, if you have just been, if
you've just gone through any sort of heartbreak, get yourself
out of your immediate environment, even if it's not terribly far.
I'm gonna step further. I just say travel is good
for every Like, just travel, like whatever you're going through,

(08:25):
Like it's cool. Like I would totally live on the
road my entire life if I go to I mean,
I try and travel all the time, and I just
love moving. I love being in new cities, I love
new experiences like I would just totally. I mean, I know,
like standup comedians and musicians always complain about being on
the road. I'm sure that there's a point of like
where it just becomes miserable, but like, I don't know,

(08:47):
I miss those being a teenager or like basically from
the age of sixteen to twenty five, I traveled the world,
Like I never stayed home more than like three weeks
at a time, Like I traveled constantly, and I missed
those years like I missed that ability to do no
travel is travel is very restorative. That the hashbars helped.

(09:08):
Those are those are also helpful for although you didn't partake,
you didn't partake at all. I did drink alcohol. I
remember having beers like Heineken, and and being excited, of
course to have a beer in a movie theater like
they say that was I think was the trip where
I got strip searched. When I came back to L
a X. And as I'm sitting there in the airport
in my underwear, the guy went, are you on Boy

(09:30):
Meets World? And I went, yep, sure am, best time
on the glove. That's great, that's what he was doing.
And I was like, I didn't bring anything back, so
I swear I didn't. But yeah, well, welcome to Pod
Meets World. I'm Daniel fishel Or Strong. I'm Wilfredell. So
today we are recapping season two, episode two, pairing Off,

(09:52):
which originally aired September. And do you guys what, I
don't know. Will's already in his head and I'm kind
of with him, even though I'm not sure what he's
gonna say. It's weird, it feels weird. I'm not ready.
It's a completely different television show that this one was
all of a sudden, all about sex. It was so weird.

(10:16):
It's not it's not that it's bad. It's just I'm
watching a completely different television so uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable because
of this episode of Boy Meets the World. I don't
have to have to talk with my son. You watched
it with INDI, Yes, of course, of course. I'm like, Mandy,
we've got to watch a Boy's World episode for the show.
Let's watch it. And then it was like, oh, oh,

(10:38):
you know, and we're planning to have the talk soon,
like we're at the age like this is the time.
But I was like, oh, I guess, I guess Boy's
World just did it for me. And I just realized,
like a weird and older show. Like when I had
the idea of like sitting down with my seven year
old to watch Boy Meets World, that seems like a
good idea when I was, you know, first season, but
like we aged up quick, yeah, and that very quick.

(10:59):
I everybody was sitting there going, oh, this whole episode
is just about you know, it's called pairing off. It's
like just not hooking up. And everyone's making out. It's
a lot. It was a lot. I agree, it was
a lot. It was just it was uncomfortable too, and
also made me very very uncomfortable. I miss the warm
blanket of season one. Right. Well, it's you know this

(11:20):
is it's so crazy because this is just the difference
between ABC and Disney Channel, right like, if this were
a Disney Channel show, this episode could not exist. Um,
you know, and and and back then in ABC, like
this was that gray area. And I guess we stayed
this way for the rest of our show. I have
a question for you. Do you think, with the way
that the world is now, do you think if it

(11:42):
was ABC now, you could even do this episode. I
don't think so. I don't know. We talked. It feels
like we've gotten more conservative in some ways. Like if
I think if you're inviting children to the to a
television show because of the fragmentation, because we're not in
a monoculture like you, you assume that it's just for
kids or for kids with and then hopefully their adults

(12:04):
would be the parents would somewhat be entertained. But back
then you had you had to it was such a
big tent. You were trying to get everybody in the
family entertained, so you would take more risks and be
more sort of adolescent in the middle ground, or like
have way more like twenty something jokes or forty something
jokes and old people jokes, like you know, we were
making fun of you know, Abraham Lincoln assassination jokes. But

(12:26):
maybe that was because Grandpa might be there. Right. Our
show is trying to appeal to every demographic because that's
what network television had to do. Nowadays, you don't have
to appeal to you can just appeal to your very
very narrow audience. Yeah, so I don't think it would existing.
I mean, maybe networks are still trying to do this,
but I don't think. I don't know. I also thought,

(12:48):
just to your point, too soon with the Abrahama, just
too soon to come on inappropriate. Well, the synopsis of
this episode is that Corey demands a little tutoring in
the subject of love after he catches Eric and his
girlfriend together in his parents bedroom, which everybody had already
emailed us about. Yeah, so there is an upstairs. I

(13:10):
was like, there's an upstairs, there's upstairs. Yeah, Yeah, I
have something to talk about with the hallway when we
get to it. This episode was directed by David Trainer.
It was written by Glenn Merzer, who was a new
writer for season two. He came from Blossom. I remember
the name, and I think if I saw his face,
I would probably remember him. He remember dark haired guy.

(13:31):
I'm just saying, like, I remember that we had a
writer named Glenn. I think he was there for more
than one season. I think so too. I believe so too. Yeah. Well, um.
This episode has as guest starring Nancy Valen as Miss Kelly.
Played some. She played Samantha on Baywatch starting two years later,
but was also in movies like The Heavenly Kid and
Lover Boy. We have Jessica Wesson as Wendy Jansen. She

(13:54):
did two Boy Meets World episodes, and I who the
person who never remember vers anything about the show in
the middle of the episode said her character's name is
either Wendy or her real name is Wendy. But I
knew Wendy the minute I saw her. Well, she comes back.
She's in more because she's the reason we have the
old Man episode, which I don't know what the old
Man episode is. You might not have been but she

(14:19):
ends up being Corey's girlfriend for a whole another episode.
Plus I worked with her on Home Improvement, I believe.
So I already worked with her on my one episode
of Home Improvement because she was Zachary type Bryant's girlfriend. Okay,
she she was responsible for. She's in one of my
favorite Ben moments of the and it's a moment I
absolutely remember in around the Table with Alan in an

(14:42):
upcoming in her next episode where Ben is just yeah,
where Ben is so funny in one of his reads
that I still when I think about it, it can
make me laugh out loud. He's great, so we'll wait
till we get to it, but it's so funny. Yeah.
And then there's Marguerite Murrow returning as Rebecca, and Molly
Morgan is Jacqueline. Hillary Tuck is Samantha Hillary. For a

(15:04):
long time Hillary, I was like, oh, Hillary was in
this episode. We did we know her before this or
was it after this? I think she must have been
part of the Young Actor space and we knew her before.
I bet when we from Young Actor. She did the
play that my brother and I produced that we remember,
we did a play um where we did it was
a night of one acts. My brother written a play
and then we did a great play called Women and Wallace,

(15:27):
so that we did a two act evening and I'm
pretty sure Hillary was in it. She stayed in our
lives for a while. I've lost touch with her since,
but like she was around. Yeah, was that the play
about magic? That was the play about magic? The gathering? Yeah,
we did gathering on stage, That's right. But I saw
her and I was like this Hillary, and I was like, oh,
she must have a bigger part. And she never never
I heard the same thing. Maybe she comes back to uh.

(15:48):
And then Hunter Garner is Peter who I remembered Hunter
very well. I also remembered his name. I have a
full photo shoot of pictures with Hunter. I don't know
if we hung out one day after work or something.
We apparently went to dinner together, and my mom took
a whole series of photographs of us together. I have
as Gartner, no, but we It's possible we had a

(16:11):
crush on each other. But we went to dinner and
we have a bunch of pictures together. So I have, like,
you know, seventeen photos with Hunter. Can you see through
the pictures where you had dinner. I'm just curious. Oh man, no,
you know what I think it was? Hamburger Hamlet. Oh no,
it's a great hamlet. It's one of my favorite hamlets.
It's a great hamlet. That's absolutely one of my favorite hamlets. Ever,

(16:33):
if I'm honest and shady, Melon Hamlet is a terrible hamlet.
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(17:37):
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to jump into our recap. We are in the school hallway.
Corey and Sean are watching two students make out. Are

(17:58):
these just background actors? Poor background actors probably had met
thirty seconds before, and we're told here's a tic tech.
It almost feels illegal to do that. I'm they were
over eighteen. They would definitely have been over eighteen. I
mean everyone looks older in this episode, but our background extra,
like our background actors besides the one in the classrooms
would have all been over eighteen. So I know, it's

(18:20):
it's bizarre. I'm starting to recognize most of the background
actors now again, Like there's several in the background where
I'm going like, oh man, I remember, remember, I remember,
like conversations are hanging out together. Yeah, they're not just
kissing either, They're like going at it, I know, and
you two are just watching. Yeah, it goes on for

(18:42):
so long. It does, and it's a woo from the audience.
Two people's lips touch. Also, writer, I feel like a
whole summer passed between season one and season two. Even
with the way you look you're used episode one episode, Sorry, yeah,
you know. I felt the same way. I was like, oh,
I actually look older. I feel more comfortable, alliance. Something
about that first episode really threw me for a loop.

(19:05):
And watching it now are watching this the second episode, Now,
I'm like, Okay, now I feel like stable in some way.
Something was off in that first episode, as like, yeah,
there's something about you that's so much more mature in
this second episode of the season that I was like, wow,
what is what is going on? And then I'll say
the same thing for myself. When I saw myself, I
was like, whoa, I look so much older. So we

(19:26):
talked about how uncomfortable we were with that first episode.
I think that's maybe all we're feeling. It's just that
that first episode was all about our bodies and our looks.
And being insecure, and we internalized that and by this
episode we felt we did more comfortable. Yeah, I just
think we're relaxed. It's cool. So Mr Finie walks up
and asks if the boys have classes to attend, but
Corey asks if they should break up the couple who's

(19:49):
making out, and Phoenie says they're A minus students and
had they've been happily struck by Cupid. No need to
interrupt them, And Corey says that by the end of
the year he plans to have an A plus average
and a Hickey, And then we get woos from the audience.
Of course, So I let me ask you something I
really don't know. If you're in high school, all right, Yeah,
I guess it's high school. Do they let you make

(20:10):
out in the hallways? Is that something like a teacher?
Did the teachers allow kids just make They did in
our high school, but it was high school high school,
it was ninth through twelve. Because there was always this
one couple that it was just always against the was
it like a show, always against the lockers, always making out.
Just it's weird to me, as an adult responsible for
children during the school hours that I would be like, okay,

(20:32):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. It just never occurred
to me until this scene. I was like, wouldn't Phoenie
have a responsibility to say, hey, guys, save it for
over school but you know, or just I don't know.
But then I guess would they care? But then he
addresses it, I mean, doesn't Corey ask him like is
this is this? OK? Mean it Once the question came up,
I was like, that is like if I was a

(20:53):
teacher in high school, and I guess maybe we'll just
throw this to our our listeners, send us an email
like if you're a teacher, do you break up sticking
out or do you just let them be teenagers and
assume that that's going to happen. So it's not your purview.
I'm really curious. I don't understand as a parent of
a seven year old, you know, like I'm not in
the space yet where I'm dealing with Like I'm assuming
it was a teenager in my own house. It's like, fine,

(21:13):
but I don't know. Weird, Yeah, it was very strange.
I'm not sure either. Uh. Corey sees another kissing couple
and says he wants a girl who's like a friend,
but not a girl friend. He says he wants someone
he knows and who knows him. And then two Panga
walks down the hall and Corey starts to turn his
game on and uh, Corey says that since people are

(21:35):
pairing off, they should walk through life together. And I
had yet another just tragic performance where I am I
just reading words on a page and maybe I'm nervous.
I was struck by how confident you were, and I
liked it. I appreciate it because I guess at this

(21:56):
point we've we've already lost all to Panga's hippiness that
what we're making, any jokes about karma, star signs or anything.
So they've just completely dropped it, which I didn't realize
happened this quickly. Yeah I didn't. But we've kept to
Panga's intelligence and strength and self confidence, which is really cool, right,
But as an actor, it seems a bit like they

(22:18):
left Danielle twisting in the wind because it's like, oh,
you know that thing that you are, your character was
kind of known for, We're going to take that away
and not really discuss it with you. Now, go be
to Panga and it's like, Okay, like, so, so it's
one of those things where I, to me, I didn't
I didn't think you came off as uncomfortable at all.
I frankly think you're finding topango because it doesn't seem

(22:40):
like the writers are. Yeah, certainly because because the topanga
I had learned to rely on is now gone. But
the confidence, like to writer's point, because you're right, that
is a good that is a good point that the
topanga I had learned to develop over an entire season,
or that you were going to be fired if you
did not develop this this character. You're right, like, how

(23:01):
dare You've got to change how you speak, You've got
to change how you do and then it's like, we're
not going to do that anymore. Yeah, And so to me,
that's kind of I don't know. I saw that as
you trying to then be like, all right, then I
gotta take this on my shoulders and I'll create the
character if you're not going to do that. Yeah. And
I did love the confidence that she had when he
says can I call you sweetheart? And she says no. Um,

(23:22):
But I thought there's such an opportunity and maybe I
maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't to Penga, But there
was such an opportunity had I been a better actor,
for me to have had so much more fun with
well you see butt head, may I call you butt head?
There was there was There were those moments that are
real laughs and are really funny where you get to
see two panga uh turn it on to play back

(23:43):
to the person she's talking to like that. That could
have been so much funnier if I was a better comedian,
if I was a better actor, if I were we're
not playing that. We don't, none of us yet, right
or you're the closest, honestly, and I found that in
this episode, especially with some of the things you end
and we'll get to it, but you're the closest at
this point of hearing the comedy music and playing to it.

(24:06):
What the D You're already a no, no, I'm find
you talk about I thank you. I think like especially
when the next scene where I'm flirting with the older Jos,
I'm finding rhythms and I'm I'm playing to the rhythm. Yes, definitely,
but you nailed that in season one, Like that's what

(24:26):
I think we were still playing what was on what
I think what Danielle saying is I think we're still
playing the joke on the page as opposed to seeing
the joke on the page and making it our own,
which which we do towards the end, Like all of
us by the end are oh, I see the way
that you know, you're playing kind of offbeat as opposed
to playing just you know, like daniel said, like butt head.

(24:46):
May I call you butt head because that's how it
was written. So that's what we're doing, and and we're
also yes, exactly exactly, but it is so yeah you do.
And when and when you start to then hear the rhythm,
you look back at before you could play the instrument
and you go like, oh man, I was missing so
many notes because yeah, yeah, so yeah, I know exactly
what you're talking about. Same I felt the same one

(25:07):
with me. Uh so uh. Corey says since people are
pairing off, they should walk through life together, and she
says she can't walk through life with Corey because well
there's everybody else. She's very funny. But this is also
we have to point out in the timeline of Corey
and t Peanga, he does ask her out. Yeah, he
asked with her. I mean I thought that was It

(25:29):
was like, they never referenced this again, It's no, we
didn't do this, and then they we do a whole
episode where he can't ask her out first, so Sean
asked to ask her. It's like he did. He walked
up and said, hey, let's be together forever. Yeah, And
I was like, that's where it happened. There was great Yeah.
Season two, episode two, and then to Benga says that
the problem is that they could have a lifelong friendship,

(25:50):
but what people do is they end up throwing it
away for one week of passion and then they lose
the lifetime of friendship. So she is sure that there
is somebody out there for Corey, and Corey demands to
know who that person is as Topanga walks away, which
is super interesting that they kept kept a Panga around,
kept you around, Danielle, but then did not write this

(26:11):
episode to the relationship. They wrote this episode to the friendship,
which is really cool, Like you know, it's it's a
long play, you know what I mean, Like you could
have easily been the Wendy that you could have easily
been the Wendy in the storyline, but they were already
thinking no to Panga is more important than that Topanga
is going to be a more you know somebody that

(26:31):
there's going to be an on and off again relationship. Yeah,
this Sam and Diane, And that's so smart, so smart.
I think they wanted to Panga and Corey to be
a will they or won't they already? And I didn't
remember this episode at all that your storyline, And for
some reason, I thought to Pango was the one that
said hi, was the one who finally said hi, Like
I forgot all about I was like, oh, I think

(26:53):
I think she's the one. Eventually in the hallway he's
like hi to Pang and she's like, oh hi, And
she's the first one. So I had totally forgotten that
they were. And I think you're right. They are playing
the long game, which is smart. Yeah, it does make
it much more interesting. Um. I do remember as a
kid feeling a little threatened though, like feeling like and
and feeling like, wait, so are we not gonna because

(27:16):
the way the season one ended it seemed very much
like I was going what happened to my job security? Here? Now?
Now you're going to bear them up with Wendy and
and what am I so I do remember having that
feeling of like oh, as opposed to really, what the
truth is is, oh, I have way more job security
now because at any point in time, you break up
with the girlfriend and the girlfriend goes away. But this

(27:38):
we're going to be friends. But I do remember thinking, like,
what's going to happen? I thought I thought I was.
I thought, don't be too comfortable, kid, keep you made
it this far. Be lucky, be happy. So now we're
in a classroom we've never seen before, which again was
very uncomfortable for me. The desks are all split out
in like a weird half circle. It feels like a
boiler room. I wasn't sure. I don't remember. You know

(28:01):
what's funny too, And this is weird thing to talk about.
But like I think about these sets and I remember
where they were on the stage, and I don't remember
where this one was on the stage. So it really
hurts my brain. It's like it hurts my brain, whereas
all the other ones, Like I know where the hallway
set was, I know the living room was in relation
basically to the audience. I know like where everything was

(28:22):
laid out, because they're all next to each other, like
maybe people don't realize that it's the living room is
right obviously next to the phoenies phoenies back the k
in the backyard. But then right next to that would
be the class classroom. And then and then the boys
know the boys bedroom, Yes, all the way at the
end the right yes. So where was the hallway? The

(28:44):
hallway was there on the right hand side, so it
would go it would go hallway in this in this season,
it would have been Turner's classroom hallway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
although even use the wait a minute, was the boy's
bedroom on the same side as the audience, opposite the hallway,
and that was probably where this classroom was. That you

(29:06):
spring a cafeteria for a season, And that's why we
didn't usually shoot those in front of the audience, because
it wasn't in front of the audience. I'll draw diagram,
guys like great, yeah, yeah, I got a PhD and
CAD so I've learned how to which means I'll just
say I'll draw a diagram and then one of our
lovely fans will do it in nice thank you, thank you. Okay,

(29:28):
So the health teacher is outsick and they get a
hubba hubba beautiful female substitute teacher Ms Kelly, who comes
on she has to teach sex, Like the one sex
educational day is the day where that the substitute is out,
Like they wouldn't change the syllabus because the actual health
teacher is not there in the substitute now has to

(29:49):
give the talk about sex. Really, I get it, but
come on, come on. I mean Alex was watching with
me in India or she was kind of going in
and out while she was cooking, and she walked in.
She was like, that's weird. Are you getting on the teacher? Like,
it wasn't that I was hitting the teacher, it was
that the audience like that the teacher was made into it. Yes,

(30:09):
right from the moment she walks in. Yeah, And it
was just like I think once the flirting started, it
almost felt better because it was like, oh, he's such
a pathetic boy. But the fact that the camera lingered
on her, and that's where I think that's what made
her uncomfortable, and that's what made me like, ah, right,
Like the show itself, the point of view of the
show is lingering in a way that made me like, oh,

(30:32):
we're definitely there's a difference between there's a difference between
character perspective. This is a female teacher who was attractive,
and therefore these young boys can't. They're stumbling over themselves
and becoming idiots, as opposed to well, of course, look
at the outfit she's wearing, and look how attractive she
There's a there's a there was a feeling of well,

(30:54):
anyone would this. It wasn't about you being teen boys.
It was about well, this is how people would react.
It's about the show being team boys. Like it's like
the perspective of the show is a horny eleven year
old boy. Yeah right, well right, like like boobies. Oh,
I get to see it, but like the teacher is pretty,
you know, and it's like, yeah, it's funny. That's exactly
what I was thinking. I was like, once I started

(31:15):
talking to her, it felt okay, but this first moment
felt weird to me. And then well again, they also
would never have done there's very few people that wouldn't
say Tony Quinn was a really good looking man. They
didn't do Tony walks into the classroom and all the
girls can't stop looking at him, and they focus on
his but that never the show is exactly just would

(31:37):
never have had the easily could have done to Panga
and all the girls in the class, like wow, look
at our new teacher, but never even thought of that happening.
So yeah, that whole thing. But on a different note,
you're flirting with her when you say I'm a cop.
I lost. It's like, I don't remember this at all,

(31:59):
all of it, all of it. It's a good thing.
I like Sean rain like kind of you know, flailing
in this way. It's fun, but it's fun to see ye.
So miss Kelly asks what organ stores the eggs, and
Seawan says he can only remember the name of the
stuff he has, or at least what he calls them.

(32:19):
Were very funny, And then Corey answers, it's the gonads,
but it's really the ovaries, and Corey also messes up
the way reproduction in the life cycle occurs. Corey then
calls over the teacher privately and asks how do you
get a girl to say hi? Which becomes like the
the entire point of this episode. And then we're in
the school hallway. Corey sees another couple walking down the

(32:41):
hall and wonders how these people are connecting, and he
mentioned that the new couple's names are Lisa Marie and Michael,
which is a call to what was a very timely
couple at the time, Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson.
Now my question, um, Danielle, the first couples it was
Richard and Cody. Was that anything from the time? Was

(33:04):
every was every couple supposed to mean something like Lisa
Marie and Michael was the obvious one. But I couldn't
remember if there was like a Richard and Cody, that
Richard and Cindy it was Richard and Cindy. If that
was something that mattered, Was Richard Gear dating Cindy Crawford.
I don't know. That's like it popped in my Gear

(33:24):
and Cindy Crawford. So I think you're right, Yeah, I
think they all meant something. Yeah, Oh, that's funny. So
Mr Turner walks down the hall and he's very flirty
with the substitute, Miss Kelly, and so New York. Oh man, oh,
you know I helped them down here. When I was
doing the thing. It was like, oh Tony, oh, Mr

(33:49):
New York. But it's so and I think Tony would agree.
It's such a caricature at the beginning, because he's not
like that, especially when it's when it's I thought season
episode I don't want to keep saying season I think
episode two was more subdued and more natural that happens. Yeah,
it was just so funny though to me. And then
Mr Feenie walks down the hall with another female teacher

(34:11):
bragging about his vitality, and Corey, now desperate, says he
doesn't get how this all works. Sean says he thinks
he gets it now, and he puts his hands through
his hair, and then he gets two girls immediate attention
to flirt with him. You've got a thirty foot range.
It's so funny. Um, it's cool to see that the
writers were recognizing the hair through the hands of the
hair thing from season one, which was clearly a nervous

(34:33):
tick that then became kind of a thing. Yeah, and
they wrote to it, which is yeah, yeah, I think.
I think also, um, when you have hair you can't
run your fingers through like that, it is a very
enviable thing to be like, Wow, look at how he
just tosses his hair back and funny, Like I said
last time, they already they'd cut my hair, so he
didn't actually have like at the end of season one

(34:55):
would have been the better hair. Like the hair it
was all the way down. No, but still this haircut
is good. This is better hair than the last. Ben
was very funny trying to so funny. He tries the
same thing with his hair. It looks very goofy to.
Pango runs up and very terribly asks him if he
has headlights. I can't even watch myself. It is what

(35:17):
was totally fine, Indie one of his favorite the headlights.
They were then doing this and then you coming up
in the headlights. He was just like this episode in general,
Indie laughed harder than almost any other episode, interestingly, maybe
because he was so uncomfortable with the talks happened. Uh.
In turn to Panga touches her hair and a guy

(35:38):
comes running over to her, and Corey says he needs
new hair, which is very cute, an old call back
to to the first time you were in the hallway
with him. It's all that I was trying to get
the new hair in that first episode that Tenggo was in.
That's right, So you're right. Then we're in the Matthews
kitchen slash living room Eric walks in with Rebecca Marguerite
Moreau and asks Amy not to embarrass him. Me embarrasses

(36:00):
him immediately by saying he went the bed till he
was twelve. That's harsh. Sorry. Did you notice you were
holding the folder when you slammed it down on the table?
Was like there it is. The first thing I noticed
when you walked in is there's the folder the random
football player on front. And yep, and they have me.

(36:23):
This is the start because they didn't last episode. This
is the start of not only too many shirts, but
too much collars. I have a collared shirt over a
collared shirt. Yes, I have like a golf shirt with
a collar and then a button down open with the collards.
Multiple collared shirts. Now is Eric's look long? Multiple collared shirts? Wow? Okay,

(36:47):
so very strange. And I remember Marguerite. She was so nice, uh,
really easy to work with. And when we get into
the next episode that the next scene we'll talk about
something because she and I had a bit of an
uncomfortable we um I mean not I mean not weak,
but it was an uncomfortable day or so, and we'll
get into the ring on a bed and making out
in front of it's actually got worse than that, your

(37:09):
old man, it actually got worse than that. So we'll
get into that. But I can't wait to get into it.
I will comment what absolutely gorgeous hair. She had the
hair obsession on the show. It was something else, but wow.
I walked in, I was like, look at her hair.
I think people were cast mostly for their hair. I
think you know, when they brought them to producers, there

(37:30):
was like Carrie Russell, there's some hair. There's some hair,
don't We have several episodes I can think of one
where hair is actually in the title. I remember hair Today,
Goon tomorrow. So I think there's more than one where
hair is actually in the title. Makes sense. I was
so sad with Weasel. I know you're getting into this.
I know it made me so sad. They made her
angry at the cool nickname that they had together, like

(37:53):
I know. Well, Also, this scene, more than any other
scene I've seen, felt like Lily was like checked out
her bolt, get me out here. Uncomfort season two, she
was like she saw the wall. Yeah, I don't know
what this is anymore. I want nothing to do with it.
Oh man, I've got a Fox pilot on the line. Yeah, no,

(38:15):
this was she did she? She genuinely looked like she
just let me say what they told me to say
and get out of here. Yeah. Hey, I'm Lance Bass,
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(38:37):
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(38:57):
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to podcasts. So Eric asks if they want to take
a break before they start studying, and Rebecca asks to
see the house, and immediately the audience knows what that means,

(39:44):
and we get a and then he takes her to
the living room area with the couch and she says
she wants to go upstairs. We get more woos and
as they make their way upstairs, Corey and Shawn walk
in and Corey says, no one warned him about this girl.
Sean says Corey's going to get the hang of it
and that there are other techniques than hair, and then

(40:05):
Sean immediately takes off to go talk to a girl,
and Corey says he's going to study, get good grades
and become a famous scientist and then he will just
build himself a wife. I like, I like Sean opening
the door and doing the hair thing. You're a girl
go off. Andy was like, that's more like a fifty
foot range. Okay, okay, yeah, no I like that too,
where you just hear the random voice is that you

(40:27):
should um yeah, I thought that was funny. Uh. So Corey,
here's music coming from upstairs, and he thinks it must
be his mom and dad. So Corey walks up the
stairs and then down the hallway we see first time.
I'm gonna say this again. I'm gonna say this again,
and I know we're going to get emails again. But

(40:47):
I don't think we ever see it again. I don't
think we do. I think, okay, because of us, remember
any of the upstairs No? No, So he walks toward
Amy and Allen's room and then he opens the door
and he sees Eric making out with Rebecca. And this
is Amy and Allen's bedroom. So this is the thing
that everyone emailed us about. Eric says they are studying,

(41:09):
and Corey says, so am I which I remember that
line the second I saw him holding the door up
and I was like, I know what's coming. Yeah. So
Marguerie and I were obviously kissing and doing everything during
run throughs and rehearsals and all that kind of stuff
like that. And I believe I could be wrong about that.
I might be wrong about that, but I remember usually

(41:33):
did he usually did, and I remember them they wanted
it to look more sexual and like we were gonna
go farther than what Corey had seen in the hallways,
because in the hallways it was other people just making
out there. But now he's walking in and Eric's on
the bed. So it was literally, I hope we get

(41:55):
Margarite on um because she could corroborate this or tell
me that I've completely for gotten it, but I have
a pretty good memory. Um. We were lying on the
bed surrounded by Michael and the other writers and producers,
and they were choreographing what we should do to make
it look more sexual. So it was like no, here

(42:20):
it was the left settled on leg. So what it
was was it was like, well, we can't. And it
was a very frank discussion about TV. Well you can't
move your arm up like this, you can't blah blah blah.
So Michael, what Michael came up with was, here's what
we wanted to look like. As Corey opens the door,
you're making out and your leg is moving over as

(42:40):
if you're right about to get on top of her.
And that was a full discussion we were having at
the time, and I remember Marguerite Deny as actors were
probably like, okay, so we're gonna work this out, blah blah,
and looking back at it, I'm just it's was was
it creeped me out a little bit in retrospective. And
I know we're not trying to do, you know, dismantle

(43:01):
everything that we've done and all that kind of stuff,
but it was a moment of being surrounded by a
bunch of older people telling us how to make this
scene look more sexual. Well, and this is exactly why
intimacy coaches exist. Now, you know, perfect, perfect opportunity for
an intimacy coach right then and there, especially because you're
dealing with two teens. Yeah, yeah, And it was it was.

(43:24):
It was a full discussion of what they could get
away with, what they could show, how much of the
body I should throw over? Should my leg go up
and over? What should she do? It was a full
discussion of how to make it look sexual without making
it look too sexual, How far can we go with this?
How can we roll on it here? It was it was.
It was a full discussion. It was like, it wasn't like, hey,

(43:46):
let's do this alright action, It was like a twenty
minute talk about how to make these two kids making
out on kids is wrong? Two young adults making out
on a bed, and I can understand this story pointed to.
This has to be up in the game from normal
making out to just super uncomfortable as actors, and it

(44:07):
is as as a crew to have to deal with
it is Yeah, the reason, it is the reason why
intimacy coaches are so um so we're needed now a
great addition to Hollywood. Yeah, because you know, like you said, writer,
it is no one's arguing the importance to the to
the plot. It is. It needed to be elevated from
what we had seen in the hallway. But it would
have been a lot more comfortable for Will and Marguerite

(44:29):
if there had been one person in in a more
private setting who was able to say, well, we can't
do that. How would you feel about this? Can we
try this? Um? Preferably a woman, preferably someone who is
I mean. The key is also the power dynamics, right
like that, The the the invisible part of this equation
is the power dynamics when you're when you're a background

(44:50):
actor and uh, the executive producer or director is telling
you do this, just do that, just put your hand here,
just do that. When you're a guest cast you feel
more uncomfortable and say, will who would have felt in
this situation your male versus female. But there's so many
things going into this equation when you're straight or gay,
whatever it is like. To have more barriers and to

(45:10):
have more safety nets, you know, in this situation is
only better. And and there there was none of that
back then, and that that's just the way Hollywood had
been and it was at the time. And Margaret was amazing.
I mean, Marguerite was amazing with the whole thing and
an an incredible actress. I mean, you know, everybody recognizes
for Mighty Ducks and everything else that you did. But
I just remember it was it was a weird. It

(45:31):
was one of the weirder kind of moments I had
on the set where it's like, oh, we're discussing like
where my hand goes and where my leg goes, and
how I have to turn this way so it looks
like something big is going to happen right when Corey
walks in um and it was just it was very
It was odd to me, but it was. Yeah. It's
a perfect example of why an intimacy coast is necessary

(45:51):
when you do any of this kind of stuff. Especially
when you're dealing with young people. So it is um,
and you're right, writer, it is. It is a power
thing too. I mean I was a you know, I'm
a guy who was a regular. That's much different than
being a female guest cast for the weeks UM, so
it Yeah, it makes a huge difference. But yeah, this scene.
I always remember the scene, which is ironic because I

(46:11):
didn't remember it took place in the bedroom. I didn't
remember that we saw. I was probably so focused on
everything else that was That's exactly what I was going
to say, you were. The reason why is because you didn't.
You were so blinded by everything else that was going on.
You didn't remember the location. Totally forgot the location in
the Matthews kitchen, Rebecca, who is now in a hurry
to leave, comes down, she grabs her stuff. She says

(46:31):
she's happy they didn't go any further. I'm glad, I'm
glad they put that line in. Yeah. Eric tries to
convince her to stay, but she leaves and she won't
see him again. And Eric says he's going to kill Corey,
bring him back to life, and then kill him again,
and Corey says he has all the power now because
Eric was in mom and Dad's bed and this is
an absolutely perfect thing to hang over his head. And

(46:53):
Corey asks, how how do you get a girl to
say hi? He'll promise to keep quiet, and Eric tells
him his secret, which is just that you have to
make really good eye contact and pretend to be interested. Yeah,
it's awful, but it's funny. I mean, I get why
an older brother who also doesn't know anything about women
in any way, shape or form, would give awful advice

(47:17):
like this. And I like that it comes back that
it's awful advice. But it's pretty cringe E to sit here.
I mean, this whole episode is cringe until it is
until Allen and Amy, until the adults entered the conversation.
It's it's it was pretty hard, you know. It was
baffling to me. It was like, what, yeah, could it
could it be argued? Could it be argued that that's
exactly what it was supposed to be. It's supposed to

(47:39):
be horrible and cringe E and everybody fumbling their way
through this thing called sex that nobody knows what it is,
nobody is, you know, until you got to the adults,
nobody had any idea, what the right quote unquote way
was or respect about it or anything like that. So
you could argue the point. Just go back for a second.
What why is she running away? I know? Why? Why

(48:02):
does it feel like it has been an attack or
like some sort of flustery weird felt very odd to me.
I thought it was was it that Corey walked in
or that's what Eric had been pressuring her? It was
that Eric. I think she was just embarrassed that someone
had seen her in this in this precarious situation. But
why wouldn't she ever see Eric again? I don't know.

(48:25):
Why would she turn that on Eric and say I'm
never gonna know and run out like something bad had happened,
that some mine had been crossed that she was not
comfortable with. Why was that about Eric? Like I understand like, oh,
your little brother, you're creepy little brothers saws, and I
don't want to be making out in front of your brother.
Totally makes sense, But why was it like I'm not

(48:46):
going to see you again? I mean, I guess just
the story point was that that's that has to happen
in order for Eric to be upset to be angry. Yeah,
but it felt weird. It felt like date rape. It
felt like something happened, and I know that that wasn't
the intention, but it was suddenly like more than just
a cringe e. It was like, oh, this feels bad,

(49:06):
Like this feels like something bad haf camera that we're
not talking about. And they certainly made her They certainly
tried tried to make her look like the aggressor. Yes,
there they set it up. They set it up ahead
of time that she they want. It was almost like, Okay,
they're definitely doing this because they don't want They want
no chance for anyone to say there was any sort

(49:28):
of pressure from Eric to her. So she's going to
be the one telling him, let's go do this. No,
you didn't pick up on my signal, let's go do this.
And then later you even make it more clear that
it was her. She patted the bed and said come here, um,
and so yeah, I had I'm glad, and then I
never wanted around and she pointedly thanks Corey. She she

(49:49):
she she looks around, she goes, thank you. And so
it was it was a very and to writer's point,
we needed it for the reason that if they were
just going to get together some other day. Eric wouldn't
need to be that angry because well, this is still
a person I could be I could end up having
that kind of relationship with. But it it really didn't
make me feel good. It felt very much like, oh

(50:12):
I feel super icky now, as opposed to just oops,
two teens got caught doing what teens do. See you later, Eric, tomorrow,
we can pick up where we left off because I
wanted this. It was presented that I wanted to be
with you. She walks up the stairs. She she goes,
you got to show me the upstairs and takes off upstairs.
Eric's by himself, so it's he. They certainly set it
up that she was the aggressor, and then they set

(50:33):
it up that, yeah, it came off as she's leaving,
she wasn't like something bad happened, and like I was
ever in that situation with a woman leaving this quickly
or even at that age, I think I would be like,
what did I do? Oh my god? How can I
make this right? I am so sorry? Did did a
miscommunication happened here? Like? It seems like there needs to

(50:56):
be something some aftercare, as you might say, like you know,
like hey, can we work this out, like you should
not be leaving this angry. Yeah, and there's something some
something like the way I feel like an easy way
to get both is for her to have just been like, sorry,
the moments passed, sure, yeah, an do it anymore? Yeah, sorry,
I'd rather go somewhere where they aren't little brothers creeping around.

(51:18):
Whenever my little brothers kill my kill, the vibe gotta go,
like they very easily could have kept her empowered, kept
her empowered. The fact is that she is disempowered. It
feels like she has been disempowered by the situation and
and that that she has to escape it in order
to reclaim her power and reject Eric reclaimed her power,
and that is a weird dynamic. It felt weird to me.

(51:39):
I agree. Yeah, I thought so too, And I thought
I didn't really feel it until she thanked Corey where
it's like you say, it's like thank god you came in,
because yeah, I could have gotten implication of that, like, yeah,
I know, I thought the same thing. It was and
it didn't fit with the rest of the episode. Now,

(52:00):
even with the even with the fact that she was
the aggressor in the beginning, like none of that fit.
It just seemed weird. Yeah. Well, then we're in Mr
Turner's classroom. Corey is terrifyingly staring at Wendy we don't
know her name yet, but staring at the blonde girl
sitting next to him, like Dahmer, He's just like glued.

(52:20):
Mr Turner noticed his Corey isn't paying attention to his
lecture on Tom Jones and asks Corey a question, and
Corey has no idea what he's talking about. Did you
guys also have to watch it three times to try
and figure out what what are you doing? What are
you doing? It was a weird choice. What do you

(52:44):
think you're doing? Mouth? I was like, what is going on?
Is he flirting? Yeah? I thought it was kind of funny,
like he's mocking the like seductive guy. It was great
because he could tell that Corey was being like super
cool guy, so he can't love. But that's how it was.
This is exactly what I'm just a perfect example of
seeing something on a page and take and making it

(53:08):
another on it. He just he just took it into
There's no way it was written like that on the page.
You just had the lines and what do you think
about Matt, I was dying. It's hysterical. It was great.
So then Mr Turner asks Sean to explain, but he
also wasn't paying attention. Corey admits he didn't read the
assignment and the bell rings. It could have gone farther.
My impression, I should have gone, Matt Jews. I have

(53:30):
this moment where I do like a little nudge towards
a ton Tony impression. And I clearly wasn't comfortable with
Tony enough yet to make fun of him. But I
should have gone farther. I surprise, nobody pushed you to
go far. Probably did. I probably still just held back.
I don't know, but yeah, it was really funny. He's
Mr Turner has been thrilled that the bell has ring,
and he runs out himself. Corey is still staring at

(53:52):
the girl, so she says what as they're walking out,
and Corey says, he's looking at her amazing hair, and
she says why, and she admits that she did rush it. Differently,
he says, it's the most hair again, And it was
here in this moment, while she was holding her notebook
that I realized she's wearing a wedding ring. She just

(54:16):
on the wedding finger. So I don't know why he
picked the married twelve year old to go out, but
so Corey asks her out and she says yes tomorrow
after school. Sean and Corey then celebrate as Corey says
he's got the boom. I think he said before, why

(54:37):
don't you ask your brother? Eric's got the boom? Is?
So we had said it before? I missed it before.
Is the boom a thing that people know? I wrote
that down to ask there's a song, is it Salt
and Pepper? There's a song Who's Got the Boom? I
got the boom? There's something I oh oh screaming at

(54:58):
the right now. It's trying to figure out pop cultures.
A line in the late eighties early nineties song it's
like we like the cars the boom? Okay, Well, then
what was happening was backstage Ben and I were singing
that to each other without a doubt, because Ben and
I would say lines like this to each other, and
I remember him and I looking at each other and go,

(55:20):
we like the cars. Because I probably never heard the song,
but I learned it from Ben. So for years after
probably this line we said that to each other and
I've never to this. I never knew what it was from,
but I can I can see Ben doing that to me.
We like the cars, the cars, So that's so I
knew the reference. Are I saw a reference in here,
But it's probably because it was written this way and

(55:41):
then we kept making Yeah, I know that was It
started because Eric, because Corey asked Shawn, how do I
find out about this? And Sean says, why don't you
ask your brother? He's got the boom? Yeah? I don't.
I've just never heard of he's got the boom. Stop
trying to make um what is fetch? It's our mean girls,

(56:04):
I'm never girls. Oh you're missing out. Okay, I'll give
it a watch. Pretty good movie. Hi. I'm Christine Taylor
and I'm David Lasher. David and I start in a
little show in the nineties called Hey Dude, and now
we're teaming up once again as the host of a
new I Heart podcast Hey Dude the nineties called do

(56:26):
you remember the motor rolla flip phone? Do you remember
going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo sixty four? Do
you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a serial? No?
It was hair. Do you remember a O L instant
messenger and the dial up sound like Poltergeist? Do you
remember when we dated? Okay, save that for the podcast.
We're going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point,

(56:47):
but we are going to unpack and dive back into
the decade of the nineties. We lived it, and now
we're calling on all of our friends to come back
and relive it. Each episode will rival the feeling of
taking out the cartridge from your game boy, lowing on it,
and popping it back in as we take you back
to the nineties. So listen to Hey Dude, the nineties
called on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts or

(57:09):
wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, So then we are
in Amy and Allen's bedroom. Amy is sitting on the
edge of the bed in a long flannel dress and
Alan says she's looking very amish, which I think is
very funny. Scene was great, And going back to what

(57:30):
we've talked about multiple times, or what we did talk
about multiple times in season one is just how many
conversations they get to have that we're not just about parenting,
but full scenes where we get to like peek inside
their relationship. Is just cool, Like you don't see that
the parents are such side characters in most sitcoms these days.

(57:50):
They were really much like talking about their marriage, and
you got to see them kind of flirting before bed,
and it's very cute. Although Amy is very stressed for work,
work that we've never heard about before. She's now the
first time she references the gallery because that stuck around
for a while if I remember. Now, all of a sudden,

(58:11):
she's got a gallery and Alan says that he is
there to relieve her stress, and they start kissing as
they lay down in bed, and then Amy feels an
earring dig into her back. She's very concerned and she
asks Alan, who's is this now? I hope you're going
to say the same thing. I am the biggest earring
that she was in the world she was wearing, but

(58:35):
we run out without knowing. You've got a giant well,
because she was so flustered when she left, and by
the way, she is missing the earring when she leaves. Okay, okay,
here's something doesn't make any sense. She was there a
full twenty four hours before because Corey saw them and

(58:55):
then got the advice from Eric went to school the
next day, they didn't sleep in their bed, so they
are having an affair. They are sleeping in the car,
or I don't know what they're doing, but sometimes they're
not sleeping in their bed. Oh man, I never the
but is made. So they didn't sleep in their bed
last night, or they slept in the bed, moved the earring,

(59:19):
remade the bed, and somehow the earring stayed there like
it just it is a continuity thing timeline wise, that
just oh yeah, where were they sleeping the night before?
They should have found it the same day, but it
didn't work for story. Amy and Alan aren't open. Couple
sleep in the bathtub every now and then. I don't know,

(59:39):
you're saying, swing, yes, I guess it must be. And
it was, she wouldn't be upset about the earring at all.
She'd be like, which one who's is this? Because they agreed,
they agreed not to have it happen in the bedroom,
so they weren't aim for correct cot So anyway, I

(01:00:01):
don't quite understand that. But it's not him, and she
says she knows it's definitely not him. She doesn't think
he's having an affair, and then Alan is offended by
that because how dare you say that I could not
be having an affair. Women still find me very attractive,
and Amy says, of course, of course she could lose
him at any moment. M it's a little exhausted by this,

(01:00:24):
by this bit in their marriage, the whole it was
just such an odd episode all the way around. Danielle
just gave up on the podcast. Do we have to
keep talking? I was just, I don't know. I you know.
It's funny is that Will and I were talking. Will
and I were having a conversation on the way home

(01:00:45):
together the other day, and I said, and I immediately
thought of Boy Meets World when I said this, But
I said that Will and writer have very much a
similar energy, which is a safe energy. And I said,
right after I said it like no offense. And the

(01:01:07):
only reason I felt like I had to say no
offense is because of a lot of this like kind
of boy meets World energy and an old timey nineties
feeling where like it was somehow offensive to men to
be a good guy to my masculinity because you called

(01:01:28):
me dangerous. God exactly, it's a it was a it's
a man. I want to I want to be predatory,
even though I don't think that's what Alan is saying.
Alan is just saying I'm a hot commodity. Other people
could want me, so I am not. Please don't send
me your emails. And I know what you're saying. I mean, yeah,

(01:01:48):
it feels now a little like, oh, come on, can
you just be more confident in yourself? Alan? Incre it's
an insecure marriage feeling, which I just don't think it's
fun for them. I don't. I don't like them having
insecure marriage stuff. I like them wooing each other and
dating each other and keeping the spice alive, not a

(01:02:09):
hey you think I couldn't cheat on you. I don't know.
I just it felt a little It's not my favorite.
It's not my favorite bit for their marriage. And I
loved every other one that I've seen. This was the
first one that I was a little like, let's let's
move past this place. And it was a weird It
was a weird uh kind of juxtaposition for me because
as much as I didn't like it, and I agree,

(01:02:29):
Rusty's really funny. He's so funny. He's really funny. I mean,
he's really trying to pull off for that is this
thing welded on like all that stuff. Those are all
great funny that I love. That's what I'm saying. That's
the part I love. I love. I love their marriage
being secure and stable and them hot for each other,
uh and fun. But that's why it seems like a
different show. It's like every character is getting slightly different

(01:02:52):
than the and again we're we're seeing it through the
prism of we're watching them back to back to back
to back to back. Um. But at the same time,
it is it seems like they're okay, Well, season one
was a good show for boy Mean's World. Season two
we're going to kind of change everybody a bit, even
the parents. And I guess Phoene's really the only one
who's completely the same, although also almost non existent, right, Yes,

(01:03:16):
that was the other thing is he's just not really
in the show anymore. Really, here it seemed like everyone's
just slightly different than they were. It was off. But
I let's let's let's see how it settles him. I
think we must write because we do. We continue to
be a successful show, so I think we must have
found our our game. You know, as the season went on,
it still feels creaky to me, it's definitely yeah, there's

(01:03:38):
definitely some awkward bits, and like, this is my biggest thing,
is just like the adjustment to like horny, horny boy
energy that permeates this entire episode for obvious reasons, but
I also have a sinking feeling that a premeus the
entirety of boy Mean's world, which is just gonna make
me a little uncomfortable because you know, I obviously was
a teenage boy, so it probably felt totally normal to me,

(01:04:01):
but now it feels a little weird. It's not in
the Honeymoon episode. We should just watch the Honeymoon episode
over and over. That should be the podcast it how
Dare you So? Amy then realizes it's Rebecca's earring, and
she wants to go talk to Eric herself because she
wants to avoid the atta boy type father son thing
that the conversation could become. Alan and Amy decided that
they were going to go together, and uh, but Alan

(01:04:24):
makes a little atta boy joke as he walks out
of the bedroom and then they turn right, which bothers
me because when we saw Corey come up the stairs
down the hallway, there weren't bedrooms before. Amy and Allen's bedroom,
So it feels as though the boy's bedroom has to
be They would have to make a left out of
their bedroom, right. Then you take a left to the

(01:04:46):
hallway curves to the left, and then there's probably another
hallway that goes straight and the stairs are at the
end of that hallway down to the left. I so
you think they passed the stairs. They passed the stairs, Okay,
I assumed that the stairs dead end there. Basically that
the stairs dead end, that's like a curved walkway, and
the rest of the house has to go anyway. Whatever,

(01:05:07):
big deal. At first, I was like, wait, they went
the same way towards the staircase. But you're right. It
could extend. It could extend the lego set, the Matthews
family lego set. By the way, not not to bring
down the house, but I texted you guys a while
ago that I did a recording session and the boy
me world house is gone. I know it's gone. It's
a little that's so crazy because actually, like people lived

(01:05:29):
in it for a while. Yeah really yeah, yeah, people.
A girl I grew up with, um, her husband's family
owned it and lived in it for years. Um, So
it's such a weird coincidence. It's my town of six
thousand people. She her husband ended up living in the
boy Beats World house. So we're in Korey and Eric's bedroom.

(01:05:58):
Amy and Allen walk in and ask if he wants
to tell them anything. Amy pulls out the earring and
he pretends it's a birthday present for his mom. He
then quickly admits that nothing happened. Well, you were so
good in this scene. I remember having fun with the scene.
I do, I remember having I remember this is where
I think I'm starting to feel the comedy a little bit.
You keep saying that you got the comedy. I don't know.

(01:06:22):
It evolves. It evolves though it's always evolving, and that
this is starting to get it. But this is a
This is just a well written scene. And it's also
not always you. It's like there are going to be
scenes that are better written, like the scene with Amy
and you at the bathroom door in season one that
was funny six episodes in and it was you were
nailing it. This is a well written scene in the
sense that you're being confronted and you have witty things

(01:06:44):
to say, and you have to keep adjusting in your approach,
which is great for you as an actor because you
just keep trying this. Now I'm gonna do this. Boy,
it was fun and it was a fun I remember.
I also remember how funny Rusty was in the scene
too good, Yeah, everybody's great, Yeah, and then coming in
with just like played food and like way he's so
like oh yeah, but I mean, it's just the dynamics
is a very well directed scene as well as an

(01:07:06):
acted scene, and that everybody's sort of very clear, everybody's
at cross currents. It's just good. It's all well written.
This was one of my my most favorite family scenes.
I remember that. And this also is finally where the
show feels like like all the ickiness is sort of like, oh,
the adults are in the room now, okay, Like all
the bad advice that Corey has been getting is going

(01:07:28):
to be reaching you know, reality and being called out
for what it is, which is just nice to see
and it brought the episode full circle. So Corey walks
in and he says, take it easy on Eric. He
taught him how to finally get a girl to say hi.
They asked what her name is and Corey doesn't even
know her name. Corey says, but it's all part of
Eric's foolproof met fullproof method to get a date. Corey

(01:07:48):
explains Eric's idea of getting any girl to make eye
contact with him. Amy says she would rather Corey go
to Alan for this kind of advice instead of Eric,
and Corey says he walked in on Eric and Rebecca,
and Eric starts being amazing Grace, which is so funny,
and then Eric reanax Rebecca telling him to sit next
to her on the bed, and Alan says that he
should not rush into sex, even though when his father

(01:08:10):
told him that he didn't believe it, but now that
he is a father and he's here in this very
moment um, he's has to say it, and it's very important.
I love the joke where he was like, and you'll
know someday when you're a father, which is so that
it was really cute. And then Alan tells Corey that
he's better off not knowing anything about girls than going
with Eric's advice, which I thought is a perfect joke

(01:08:35):
to also drive the point home that total ignorance is
better than the advice that you don't need to care
at all about the person you're trying to get into
a relationship with No. It was nice. It was a
nice scene with Rusty, nice scene with with Betsy. It
was it was, it was And again I think you
can argue you're supposed to feel the ickness through most

(01:08:55):
of this episode because it is Ikey. When you're a teenager,
nothing you do is right. And so it is the
adult coming back in and steering the ship like, Okay, no,
he's an idiot and you need to be your age, um,
And I thought that was yeah, I agree. So then
we are in the school hallway. The girl from class
comes up to Corey and asks if he's ready to

(01:09:16):
go on the date. Corey says, do you feel funny
about this whole thing, and she says yes, she gets it.
Corey says they should still get to know each other
in case they ever do want to go out, and
he asked because she wants to go somewhere and talk.
And he finally finds out her name, Wendy. Corey says
hi after learning her name, and she says hi back.
She's very nice, she's a very good, good actress, and

(01:09:38):
it's it's a very sweet moment between the two of them.
It really was. It's very cute, and then we are
in Corey and Eric's room. Corey and Eric are working
on their homework. Eric says, even though he has been
for he has been forbidden from talking about girls with Corey.
He wants to know if Corey wants to update him
on anything in his life. Corey says he had a
good time on his date. Eric asks asks what his

(01:09:58):
technique was, and Corey says he was just real nervous
and nodded a lot. And then Corey says that even
though he didn't know, he doesn't know if he did well.
Wendy does want to go out again, and then the
tables turn and Eric asks Corey how exactly he nodded
asking for love advice. I guess the teacher has become
the student and will the way you nod is. And

(01:10:21):
then this is pure real bed. That is Ben Savage
laughing at Wilford ll And that's why it's such a
great moment. I lost it. I jumped off. I can
see it. He's yeah, he covers his face with his
hand like he's so embarrassed because you just cracked him up.

(01:10:44):
And that wasn't the original, it was an original endure.
But he could not get through it because you just
made him laugh, and it just was like, oh, it
was so fun to see to be like, oh, there,
I remember laughing with him in these moments and feeling
such real connection. Yes, yes, me too. I did the
exact same thing. I watched it happened, and I was like,

(01:11:06):
oh my god, I have to watch it again. I
watched it multiple times. It's like the couch you know. Yeah,
it's a behind the scenes moment. It is a raw,
behind the scenes moment of not being able to keep
it together. And well, it's also nice because you know
that he still has the burden of carrying the show
on his shoulders at twelve or thirteen. By this point,
he's still doing that week after week. He's still killing

(01:11:28):
it every week. And so to see a moment where
you can tell it's just him having pure fun and
he's just down. Yeah, the work falls away, yes, and
it's just him as a kid laughing. It was great.
Love I love. I loved every time I got to
break Ben or you guys broke me or any of that.
It was just such a real, real moments. All so

(01:11:50):
much in front of the audience was there was so
much of that so much. Yeah, it is. It's funny
than to see that moment because it's like so much
of our quote unquote home memories, our home videos are
the actual show, but but that those aren't really what
we were what we were, So this moment was like
an actual capture of team. Then. So here's my question.

(01:12:12):
Does the audience know the difference? Can the audience tell
the difference? I don't know, let us know. It's interesting,
you know if it's a feeling like you just get that,
you get that Joy made such a big reaction that
Alex and Indy knew, you know, like I didn't give
them a chance to like to call it out at all.
So I'm very curious if you don't know, Ben, or
if you don't know, if you just think that that's

(01:12:32):
Corey being a moment where there's something more raw and
like so natural about it that it transcends the structure
of the show. I kind of wish I could go
back and thank Ben. I know that sounds ridiculous, but
for just kind of being the rock that held the
show to get I mean, it's what I mean, But

(01:12:54):
did do that to an eleven or twelve year old?
But you can easily be the reason the show existed,
and then it goes in a whole different direction and
they're like, no, we're not going He carried the burden
the whole time. Um, and that's really impressive. So yeah,
part of me wish just I could go back and
talk to twelve year old band and be like, you're killing.
It helped somebody's telling you that you're killing all the
time and we appreciate that, you know, So that would

(01:13:15):
be yeah, yeah, I don't know. Not to end melancholy,
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