TGI - Episode 214 “I Am Not a Crook”

In yet another example of life imitating art, this episode features Cory deciding to hop into politics and run for class President. As the hosts begin to recap, it’s hard not to notice the modern day relevancy. 
And when it comes to onscreen action, Danielle, Rider & Will throw around some theories on why this episode, that may or may not have been written by an NFL legend, turned out feeling a little chaotic. Plus, in a podcast first, Will remembers an emotional moment from filming that Danielle has evidently completely repressed. New details await!

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(01:23):
I have a I have a big announcement. You do
you do? Yeah, I'm running for Congress. I just thought
that would be a good time. Great, what what's what's
going on? Is that weird? Why is that so just
because it's so bizarre? Because I too have an announcement? No,

(01:45):
I'm kidding. Well, yeah, well that's been all over the news,
hasn't it. I know it sure has. And I um,
we've been tagged in things, We've been asked and uh,
you know, we were contemplating what we were going to say,
if we were going to say anything, and then we

(02:06):
rolled into this episode we're recapping, which was episode two,
I mean season two, episode fourteen called I Am Not
a Crook, which I did not remember at all. I
didn't remember a single thing about it. We have big
parts this, Danielle. We're on stage, like, I do think
that back. I remember the end. You don't remember the end, Danielle. No.

(02:28):
Once I watched it, I was like, oh yeah, I
kind of I remember. I remember something about that, like
that came back to me, but I did not remember
it until I was up there watching it. Okay, I remember, good, Okay, will.
I want you. I know you're going to save it
and tell us, but I want to know because if
you remember the end, I can't wait to hear your
memories of it because maybe it'll bring something back for me. Okay, yeah, no,

(02:49):
this was it was. Oh no, this was a this
is a big one for you, Danielle. Okay in front
of the audience. Yeah wow, okay, great, yeah yeah. Anyway,
I'm running for Congris and so let's move on. Season
two episodes, fork Justin will, Yes, what would you like
to say about Ben Savage running for Congress? I will

(03:11):
say what I say anytime anybody asked me to publicly
speak about politics, which is I do not publicly speak
about politics. It's just the way I was raised. You
don't talk about politics. You don't talk about your sex life,
you don't talk about how how much money you make.
You just don't. I do all my talking in the
voting booth. I have since I was eighteen, and that

(03:32):
is my answer. I don't discuss politics, all right, writer,
You do discuss politics. You love politics. We had several
guests on this show who have come on and said
they remember talking politics with you. You are outspoken, but
you are also measured about when and where you do it.
For example, you haven't used this podcast as any sort

(03:55):
of platform to a spouse. You know your political beliefs.
So what would you like to say about Ben Savage
running for Congress? I well, I think the first thing
I want to point out, and it's funny that you
made this joke to start this conversation, but like, um,
and I told you guys, this actually texted you that
when this happened. I walked into my local coffee shop

(04:16):
or breakfast place a week ago and the guy behind
the counter looked at me and went, hey, I heard
you're running for Senate. I just saw that on the
news and I was like, wow, wow, is that wrong
on just every level, Like thing you said was right
other than it's not me exactly. And I guess what
that pointed out to me is how much the wires

(04:39):
get crossed, like how how little? And I guess it's
just worth commenting, like I don't you know. I immediately
corrected the guy. I was like, Oh, it's it's not me,
it's the other guy from the show that I was on.
But I can see that this person's brain like combine
things that you know whatever, and and I think that
it puts an undue pressure on us to a certain degree.

(05:01):
I feel like it's and I get it, like it
happens right like, But the reality is because I worked
with somebody when I was thirteen years old through twenty,
I don't necessarily I mean, it's interesting that we have
the pressure to comment on it, right, or that that
my life is always going to be associated with Ben Savage.

(05:21):
It's just an interesting thing that I didn't necessarily ask for. Um.
So I just kind of want to say that I
am very politically engaged. I have been active in my community,
I have I am actively involved. I am love speaking out,
I love debate, but like you said, I have you know,
I pick I pick my battles right like on my

(05:43):
Twitter feed, I'm more outspoken because you don't have to
follow me. But on something like this, our primary job
is entertainment. Our primary job is to discuss the show
and point me it's world. That's why everybody's listening. So
I'm not going to, you know, espouse my feelings on
gun control or name your issue. But I do have
feelings and I do believe in speaking about them. So
if anybody wants to hear my thoughts on any of

(06:05):
this stuff. I would love to engage with our audience.
I love talking about this stuff. When it comes to Ben,
I guess the only thing really, I mean, the only
thing really worth saying, or that I feel is worth saying,
is that when we were younger, Ben and I basically

(06:26):
didn't agree on much politically. We often found ourselves on
exact opposite sides of almost every issue. Now, the important
thing to state is that we were teenagers, and it
was nineteen ninety three through two thousand, so maybe a
lot has changed. I know my core beliefs haven't really
changed that much, but times have changed. I have, you know,

(06:50):
probably changed in ways that I'm not completely aware of,
and I'm sure Ben has changed. So I will wait
and see and listen to what he has to say,
just like everybody else. I do not know Ben's political
stances on a lot of things right now. I just
know in our history we didn't always see things the
same way. So that's kind of all I got to

(07:11):
say right now. We'll wait, you know, to wait and see.
But I'm not going to endorse Ben simply because I
had the same job as him when I was a teenager, right,
which I think is very fair. Absolutely, I will say
that for one thing, I don't live in the thirtieth district.

(07:34):
I don't live in a place where he will be
on the ticket for me, on the docket for me,
So even if I wanted to, I could not vote
for him. However, with that said, I feel very much
the same way writer does about the fact that I
can know you for thirty years, I can have wonderful

(07:55):
things to say about you, not so wonderful things to
say about you, the same way I do about anybody,
and that anybody could be could say and do about me,
and yet that will not play much into a decision
I make about who I am voting for. I think
it is very important to take figure out what our
individual priorities are in the things that we look for

(08:19):
in our leaders, and you pick those things, and you
look for those things that mean the most to you,
and you try to find a leader that aligns with
your values as closely as possible, and then you support
that person. I don't know who else is running. I
don't know what Ben's platform is a I'm rather uneducated
about it, and truth be told, I have been a

(08:39):
very a political person, and up until recently, most of
my I mean my teen years, my twenties, I was
very uninformed and ignorant and fine with that. It wasn't
until I was significantly older that it became important to
me when I realized what an insane privilege it is

(09:00):
to be able to be ignorant about politics. And I
was like, hey, you're right, that is That's not who
I want to be. That's not a person I want
to be. I want I want to be involved. And
so then I started educating myself. And because of that,
I also hesitate to speak publicly about politics a lot

(09:20):
because I still feel ignorant. I still feel like I
am gonna say something stupid or I'm gonna say something
I don't mean, and I get in my head about
that stuff. But I love learning. I love listening to debates.
It's one of the reasons I so thoroughly enjoyed dinners
with Writer and Will when politics come up, because I

(09:40):
learned so much from both of you, and I also
get to mediate about what I'm hearing and what's your
vote saying? So yeah, So hopefully that answers all of
your questions about what we think and you know, like
writer said, it's a little unfair that for Ben and
for us that so much weight is given to what

(10:02):
we all think about what the other one is doing
with their lives. Um. I also, I also think it's
really wonderful that we have all taken totally new career
paths and that we have other interests that we've decided
to pursue as adults, and that even if you don't
see us on your TV screens anymore, Um, it's not

(10:24):
because we've disappeared off the face of the planet. It's
because we've found new things that we love doing. And
so I'm super supportive of that for everyone and reinventing
yourself and finding out who you are as an adult
and not being labeled by the things you were as
a child. So thank you for engaging in that with me, gentlemen. Yes,

(10:45):
and we can jump into a very timely appropriate, so
bizarre Yeah, I could only remember one line from this
show this episode. There's one line, uh the yeah, I'm squealing.
That's the sound you make when your best friend takes

(11:07):
a gun and stabs you in the background, remembered. I
immediately paused it and was like, wait, this is a
very famous line. And I don't even know if it's
famous for the public or if it's just it's just us.
It was something we said all the time, and so
it was so funny because I was sitting there watching
this episode, going I don't remember any of this, and
then I saw myself sitting on that table with Ben,

(11:28):
which rarely happened, and and we're sitting at the table.
I was like, oh no, that's the squealing line. The
squealing line, it's coming up. And because we just said
it all the time, it was always like one of
our in lines. Um, so it was the wei too.
And then you almost broke on the last you can tell. Yeah,
Ben could not get through this absolutely awful. Yeah, oh

(11:50):
my god. Welcome to pod Meat's world. I'm Daniel Fishel,
I'm Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfrede. So today we
are jumping into season two, episode fourteen, I Am Not
a Crook, which originally aired January thirteenth, nineteen ninety five.

(12:14):
This synopsis is that Corey is struggling to fit in
at school, so he decides to run for class president.
The campaign goes well until Corey makes some promises he
can't keep. It was directed by David Traynor. It was
written by Steve Young. New name alert. I'm assuming that
was not the former San Francisco that's number eight for

(12:34):
forty nine er. Pretty sure that ain't good old number eight.
You could tell me it was, and I wouldn't know.
It never would have occurred to me. I don't know
what I still don't know what you guys are talking about.
So Steve Young is a two times super Bowl champion
from the nineties and the he took over for Joe Montana.
I know the name Joe Montana. I do know the
name Joe Montana. This episode is guest starring Jonathan C.

(12:58):
Kaplan as Alvin double you niece. He comes back, but
they changed his last name was so, what was his
last name? Mincus? No? His last name was yeah, yeah,
So I think I think we just never knew his
last name. Um. And then when they called him nice,
I was like, oh my gosh, he's playing a different character.

(13:20):
I thought it was going to be like, how many
times are they going to bring back the same people
and just use him as something else. I did not
remember that he came back. I knew he had done
the two episodes because this is his third episode. Yeah,
and he's in four. I looked it up and he's
in four. He has another one coming up in a
few episodes. Gosh. So yeah, so he was a big
part of our show. It's so interesting because I told
you guys, he ended up taking over for me for

(13:42):
the graduate and when we when I did the graduate. Yeah, so,
like I met him again in our twenties, but we
really didn't. We never worked together. We just sort of
said high in passing. I spent like ten minutes talking
to him, but I didn't even then. I don't think
I really realized how many episodes of our show he
had done so well, Danny, if Memories serves, Danny only
did eight. Yeah, right, so this guy did half as

(14:03):
many episodes as Danny. I mean that's crazy. Yeah, he
wasn't as featured obviously, that's nuts. So also guest starring
Shay as star or a star as Paula Kelly Brands.
Did you guys remember her? She did too, I remember,
I remember, I remember she really good. Yeah, she's amazing.

(14:24):
But we actually became friends. We hung out for a
little while. Um. But then yeah, again I hadn't you know,
I didn't remember this episode. I was like, oh, this
is where I met Shay. I remembered her in my
personal life, but I didn't remember her on the show,
which is so bizarre. And then I was watching it,
I was going, good, she's really good. Yeah, she's really good.
She's really tough role and she pulls it off. Yeah.

(14:46):
And then we have Brandon Quinton Adams as Alex, Andy
McAfee as Jennifer, and Chuck Riley as the announcer. Also
worth noting that last week Siano marked Danny McNulty's final
season two episode, so that's its season three for that
episode with Adam Scott. So we didn't realize it at

(15:08):
the time that we did the Serrano episode, but that's
the last time we will see Danny McNulty. They brought
him back for the Motorcycle one and that's with the
table read that he talked about on his episode. That's right.
So he was supposed to continue in season two, yes, exactly,
due to the mental health issues. He just wasn't able to.
And so you guys will have to tell me when
the episode comes up. That is the episode that with

(15:28):
the table read, because I wasn't there for it, so
I I you guys will have to tell us like,
this is the episode. Yeah, it's the Nancy Kerrigan episode.
I think yeah, I think it's in the Nancy Kerrigan
Dream episode. Yeah. Okay. Um. So to recap, we are
in the school hallway. Corey and Sean are going over
different school clubs. They can join football, no cleats on face,

(15:52):
no no modern dance, lots of girls, tights, no drama,
lots of guys tights. It's no sensing someone doesn't like tights. Uh.
Corey says there are no clubs for ordinary guys like him,
so Seawan suggests he start one. Sean says that Corey
has a lot of good qualities, and Corey sarcastically adds
that he's housebroken. Two he's a stinkin beagle. This this

(16:19):
is like the most Michael Jacobs I've ever seen, Ben
Bne It's like, this is if you want to know
what Michael Jacobs was like in person, that this, this,
this entire round of this first scene is Ben basically
doing Michael Jacobs. It's his stay. I imagine this was
what Michael Jacobs was as a teen. I was going
to say there when we invent the time machine. We

(16:40):
got to go have lunch with Michael when he's like thirteen,
and it'll be like it's been it's just scory. So yeah,
it's absolutely I do. I do like when I do
like episodes. I've missed a little bit the last you know,
however many episodes it's been. I like when we lead
into like Corey's averageness an issue, you know what I mean,

(17:01):
Like because I think it's so relatable. I think it's
it's just a it's a classic trope, but it's a
good one, you know, Like I just love the most
popular guy in school who gets girls every week is
just so for a president, I know, but because but
I just love it because it's about anxiety. Rights, it's
about feeling that anxiety, like you don't stand out, you

(17:22):
don't represent anything. And I just and I think that
the Sean and Corey dynamic always comes to life with this, yeah,
this dynamic, like because Corey is always like, oh, I'm
so worried about who I am and Sean's like, why
are you worried? Just be you know, be that, And
it's I just thought it plays so well. It's really
fun to watch. It's a good Sean and Corey episode.
It's like, it's like an old school Sean and Corey.

(17:42):
Yes it is. It's back to that favorite theme of ours,
which is always like having your friends back and and
what it means to be a good friend and how
they support each other. It's it's very sweet and didn't
mind dumb Sean in this episode. Guys did not mind
dumb Sean this lowercase stabbing the back with there's a

(18:04):
lot of committed dumb lines that I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
but I guess. I guess it's just that the dumbness
is part of the storyline. I don't know. For some reason,
it didn't bother. I was like, oh, this is funny
and the dynamic is great. Um yeah, yeah, whatever, it worked.
It was cool. I'm happy to hear you say that.
We all feel good about it when you feel good
about yourself. Yes, welcome to dumb Sean. So we are

(18:27):
then in mister Turner's class room. Mister Turner announces elections
for next year's class president, and he's wearing a pretty
cool tie. He is again, it's it's half our budget.
It's why you're not on It's like I couldn't pay
for Danielle to be in nine more episodes, but the times, yeah,
because ties could get expensive. But I wonder how they were, Like,

(18:47):
did they get a whole bunch of them in bulk?
Did Sarah go to some vintage store and just definitely
ask her about the ties? But I have a feeling
most of these are vintage, I really do. I would
find it shocking if she was like walking into Nordstrom
and like, hello, you're to buy a two hundred dollars fie.
It's like three or four an episode. Yeah, she probably she,
I can't wait. I bet you she had like a
tie guy, you know, like I need something in a

(19:13):
in a red this week. And then she gets some
crazy but no, no, no, no no, not crazy enough? Yeah, yeah,
exactly what's your definition a crazy man? So he explains
it's a student election and people should get involved if
they want to make change, and the class in Unison says,
it's not a bob yellaric andest it always was. Of

(19:33):
course it always was. I think it kind of still is.
I don't know about still, but it certainly always was.
Everyone voted for their friend and the most popular guy guy.
Usually when I was in high school. And that's was like, oh,
captain the quarterback. He's the president. Yeah, did you say
captain of the quarterback? I did. We had different kind
of sports roles in Connecticut. You had to be captain
of being a quarterback. I was like, great makes the

(19:57):
most nuts, right, he makes the most wickets. They get
us strike every time when they're on the pitch. The
quarterback makes the most wickets. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows. Quit.
Mister Turner says they will be much better off with
a president who is honest, loyal, and decent. It doesn't
doesn't need to be the varsity quarterback. Sean tells Corey

(20:17):
he should run for president. And then another nerdy student
named mess. So there's our Jonathan Kaplan. So he played
He played Herbert in season two, episode one. In season two,
episode five, he plays Simon. And now he's Alvin. Mee okay, question.
I thought he was always Alvin. Wow. Do you think

(20:38):
they're doing this because they're just forgetting or do you
think they're not just casting him? They're like bring back that.
They're like, we need a nerd character for this episode.
I know it doesn't make any sense, Like why not
keep the name. What is it? You've now changed it
three times. It doesn't make any sense. I know, what,
do we ever say his name in the first time?
I don't think so. I don't think we knew his name. Okay,

(20:58):
just credit that way the script, all right. So yeah,
they got to this episode and they were like, well, oh,
we're gonna say his name. But it does, it does.
We don't need it to reference the old which is
which is an honor. Saying your name's finally saying your
name is kind of You're getting a name is kind
of an honor. It's like being indicted onto the couch
on Carson. That was like a big it was like
a big thing. So okay, that makes sense. Yeah, maybe

(21:19):
they were trying to just let him have more things
on his resume. You know. It's like, I played Alvin.
First of all, let's not even talk the fact that
he's two of the three Chipmunks already, he's been Alvin
and Simon. We just need him to come back his
Theodore and we're good to go. So it's so strange
a right to me one okay, so um, okay, So

(21:53):
he nominates himself, but when told that someone else has
to nominate him. He asks to Panga to do it,
to Peanga tells him to go away. Corey says he'll
nominate me, but she a little mean to me. And yeah,
at all. In general, I don't like the way this
episode treats Alvin. I don't like it. I'm just gonna

(22:14):
say that, black statement writer, get on your political soapbox.
Why don't you like it? No? I just I just yeah.
I mean, it's it's going back, it's falling back on
the whole nerd thing, which we did throughout the first season.
We've talked enough about, but there was always an affection
for Mincus, you know, and I think that that Lee
was always always had like this sort of yes, he's

(22:37):
a nerd, but it's also coming from an earnest place.
And Alvin seems Alvin seems angry, yeah, and and and
the reaction to Alvin seems mean and dismissive. So it
was just a bummer to me. I was like, we
could have had this exact same storyline without needing to
like have him run off stage at the end, or
have to Panga shut him down in this scene, or
everybody just dismissed him the way it is. It's just

(22:59):
it's just a bummer. It was kind of like, oh,
and I don't blame Jonathan, Like, I don't think it's
his performance. It's the way it's written, it's a way
it's structured. He's just a foil. He's just a foil
on this episode. So he's just a prop. And it's
a bummer because it could have you know whatever, It's
just one of them. To me, it was a topanga
thing where I was like, man, that's so out of
character for Tanga, like and she has so many Topanga
qualities and the rest of the episode, but it seems

(23:21):
like this would have been an easy opportunity for her
to be like no, if I can't endorse you for
reason X, which that's very nice of you to say, Alvin,
but but personally exactly, it could have been anything, just
a one liner joke that it developed in a different way.
But instead of just being like, oh, I don't care
about you because you're herd was weird, Yeah, Like why
not give me a backstory with him? Like have something,

(23:42):
you know, anything? Anything? Oh? Well, rude to Panga. Welcome, welcome,
Rude to Panga. Um so, uh, let's see where was
I okay. Corey says he will nominate me, but Sean
says not to support his competition. Sean stands up and
nominates Corey, who very clearly does not want to run.

(24:03):
And I love how quickly quote unquote dumb Sean but
very quick at turning it around. Yeah and actually smart Sean,
really straight yes, using words to win over here. Yeah.
Corey tries to turn it down and then finds himself
making a very passionate speech in front of the class
on why he should be president. He has changed his
mind and he decides to run. Now, I remember something

(24:26):
in this scene. I remember in the original run through
of this scene they were having been grab you know,
he grabs the American flag at the end and he
holds it up. He was originally grabbing it and wrapping
it around himself, and I remember growing up in a
military family, he just didn't treat the flag that way.
So I remember saying to Michael, don't have him wrap
himself in the flag. And Michael's like, oh, okay, I won't,
and so he went and just had him lift up

(24:48):
the flag. So I remember making that change, like going
up going like, yeah, you shouldn't be grabbing the flag
and wrapping yourself up in it, like it's right, not
really interesting. So he's like, Okay, well, I mean it's
different when like you're in another country, you're an athlete,
you're representing your country, then it's one of those things.
But when you're just like on a TV show and
I'm wrapping myself in the flight, So yeah, Michael's like, oh, okay,
no problem and uh and changed it right there in

(25:09):
the spot, which I thought was kind of cool. That's
one of the moments where I was like, oh, we
can actually kind of change stuff if we want to,
and it yeah, and it work, and it worked, so
I was glad that they made that change. Frankly, wow,
But but did you remember this episode in general? Like
the idea? I remember, No, I remember that, so that
came back to me. I remember nothing of me or
my storyline, if you know, the very small sterical like Ben.

(25:31):
You know, Ben running for office is obviously like looming
large in our lives right now, and none of us
remember none of us story ran for office, like none
of us no recollection. So yeah, but I remember the
end vividly. Wow. Okay with Daniel, I'm I I haven't
even seen like online people pulling clips from this episode,
which maybe now they will, but you know, like it

(25:52):
seems like this would have been a Jeff going around
right now that you know Ben standing there like screaming
vote for me in some form or the other. They
did use it when they did Okay, they played the
clip of him in front of the classroom. Oh interesting, Okay,
there you go go. Uh So, then we are in
the school hallway. Sean tells Corey he really has a

(26:12):
shot at winning and they need to tell everyone who
he is. But Corey says he is a nobody. Sean says,
that's what people like about you. You're not cool, you're
not popular, you're not handsome. And Corey says, I get it,
and he asks if Sean is on his side, and
Sean says absolutely, there is no other side, and de
facto becomes his campaign manager. It's a cute story. It's

(26:36):
a great a great another buddy episode, Yes, a buddy episode.
And I and I guess the thing is exactly what
you guys were pointing out about, like how Sean is
quick and confident and has like a level level of cleverness,
you know, like the social skills right, and yet the
actual intelligence and like ability for abstract thought is just
not there. Yeah, and I think that's like, that's like

(26:57):
a cool version of dumb. Sean like, that's fun to me.
I don't know, it's it's better than just just just
being a toss away joke of dumbness. It's the instant pivots.
It's like, whatever you have to do, you'll do it
instantly to get it done. And it's it comes to me,
it's like your background in the trailer park. You do
what you gotta do to get what you gotta get.

(27:18):
And so it's like I gotta pivot, I gotta pivot,
and you're just doing You're doing it instantly. It's hysterical.
It's very funny. And then with that, Sean talks into
the camera in a video he's directing for Corey's camra
came shaky cam footage. Yeah, there's a lot of it. Yeah,
there's currently a staff of one for Corey's campaign. Corey

(27:40):
is talking to students in the hallway, shaking hands while
Sean narrates. Corey's campaign slogan is Hey, I'm average. With
the jacket over her shoulder is one of the funniest thing.
It's so good. He walks up to Tapanga, who asks
Corey about his plans to make the school a more
effect institution, and Corey doesn't know what to say, so

(28:02):
Sean yell's cut and asks Tepanga to just stick to
what he wrote for her, and Tepengga says she's not
going to read Corey is cute and cuddly. She argues,
that's how not that's not how she or any girls think.
Sean rips up the cards and says to Panga, you
can say whatever you want, and then he asks Tepanga
to wet her lips before he starts recording again. But

(28:23):
though you had a line before there that was really
funny where it was like, Topanga, you're one of our
female brothers or something. You are one of our female
brother right. Topenga calls Sean sleazy and storms off, and
then we're in the Matthews living room. Sean has the

(28:44):
camera now on Eric and says he wants to show
Corey as a younger brother. He wants realism, so Corey
and Eric act out a scene for the campaign where
Eric ridicules Corey by ecope by exposing his Scooby Doo thermis,
his fuzzy pajamas with the cotton tail, and his allergy
to Scouts, which, let's be honest, other than the scallops,

(29:05):
a good pair of feedy pajamas and a Scooby Doo
thermist that's basically me. So it's like I was watching
Oh for Me, unlike you. Corey is embarrassed. Amy walks
in and Eric Yell's cut. Amy reads the script and
focuses on a part that says Corey can do whatever

(29:27):
he wants because his parents are dead. Parents are dead.
Sean says a studies show that having parents is just
not cool, and he wants to show Corey being independent
and on his own. Corey says, don't worry. As soon
as he's elected, his parents will be found living amongst
the bears in the Oregon Woods. And then this episode
is very clever. I know, it feels dense and quick

(29:50):
and very I don't know, it feels slightly elevated or something.
I don't know. Something's a little different about it that
I really like, don't It's also a little surreal. It's
it is a very There's a lot going on, and
this moment in particular, is a great moment for us
to discuss the things we love and maybe don't love.
Because I'm very confused about the ending of the scene,

(30:12):
Corey says, don't worry. As soon as I'm elected, you
guys will be found amongst the bears in the Oregon woods.
And then Amy turns to you and you say, okay,
because I'm gonna let them live. Okay. So you basically
she's like, is that true, and you go, okay, I'm
going to make this work. That wasn't dark plan, but okay,

(30:34):
all right, okay, I guess you got Yeah, okay, that
is what I thought it was. And I was like, okay,
it's a weird button, it's okay. I think it was
probably my performance. I think I needed to elve. I
should have hit it a little hard. I should have
been like, I should have given at about it. Okay,
I'm gonna give it to you right right, okay. Instead
I sort of rushed it. I think I think, yeah,

(30:54):
it's I'm sorry, Danielle, it's my that's okay, it's no
you know, put it on the time, go back and
fix it. Yeah. Will do you remember doing this scene?
No at all. I don't remember any of this storyline.
For me, I don't remember I remember certain things about
this episode. I remember none of me. I thought, for somehow,
I still think I'm getting thinner. I know, I'm like

(31:19):
skinny s No, I was noticing your jawline is just cut.
It is. It's phenomenal. Great. I have a theory about
this episode, guys. I think it was massively rewritten at
the last Why now can you say that because the
fact that none of us have memories of it in
a way that we have memories of other episodes where

(31:41):
we might not remember the plot line or the specific scene,
but when we're watching it, something comes back, like a
muscle memory comes back. For me watching this, no muscle
memories came back, And I have a feeling maybe we
spent less time rehearsing it because it got rewritten drastically. So,
in other words, like whatever we started with the beginning
of the week changed so much that by the time

(32:01):
we had hit Wednesday and Thursday, we were dealing with
a brand new script with like new lines and a
new scene. So we spent less time with it. That's
my theory, because it is weird. Yeah, well, I mean
you figure Steve Young is quarterbacking the entire forty nine
ers team. How could he possibly write this again? In
real life went to a law school and then also

(32:22):
became a lawyer while he was a quarterback. So that's
a lot of stuff going on. But the credited Steve
Young is not part of the writing staff, right, this
is an outside of script. Yeah. No, I don't know
if that's true. I feel as he's been or maybe not.
Maybe you no, I know, Bob. And then we had
another team too. Well. You know what's funny is that

(32:43):
um husband Jensen car producer of this podcast. I reverse those.
He's the husband of this podcast. I reverse those all
our husband. He said when we watched the episode, he said,
this episode feels heavily noted. Yeah, I think it was
rewritten like crazy because it was an outside scrap. Yeah,
and then it was like rewritten, rewritten, rewritten, rewritten. And

(33:04):
I think that's why we don't remember it. It's because
it was just like us crazy A great audience to
the audience was wooing and clapping, And I think the
episode turned out pretty good, Like, I think it's a
good one. It's just I don't remember it, and it
feels it feels yeah, rushed and different in a way.
And I think it's because it was an outside script,
and you know, Michael probably rewrote the heck out of it.

(33:25):
Maybe it wasn't. Maybe this is one of the four
I think, what is it four that you get a
year that are outside three something like that. Maybe I
think that they would buy from outside. So then maybe, yeah,
this is maybe this was an outside writer. Okay, yeah,
this seems like this is the only script Steve Young wrote.
We looked it up. It's the only script he's credited with.
So yeah, again two super Bowls. So then when you're

(33:52):
in the school hallway, mister Phoenie and a student, mister McGruder,
they are walking and Phoene explains that if he doesn't
turn in his paper, he's in trouble. Mister McGruder finishes
Phoenie sentence by saying, you'll give me an F and
Phoenie says, no, I'll give you a G. And then
he has a whole thing about how gee, I wish
I had turned in my paper. Hey, I remember this guy.

(34:14):
I just remember he looked so familiar to me. So
either after the show he went on and did other
things that I've seen him in or He and I
talked this week, because the second you walked down, I
was like, oh, that guy, like I instantly recognized older
than than eighth grade. Yes, everybody looks older than NA.
So are we not in seventh grade? You're in seventh
This was election, he said at the beginning. It's election

(34:35):
for the next year's president. Cool. I don't any grade. Yeah, yeah, okay, cool.
But we do end up skipping a year, right, or
two years at least, because by the time we're in
like sixth season, we're in our senior year, which, right,

(34:58):
make much sense. We should try and keep track of
when that win it. Actually, I imagine it's between this
year and next year. I imagine next year will just
be in tenth grade. Tenth grade, That's what I think happens.
I think next year we are not in eighth grade,
we're not even in nine in the high school, and
right right, exactly right right, and they basically go, let's
just stop saying where they are. They're just in schools

(35:19):
their teacher, they're in school, they're moving on, Please stop
harassing us. So when Phoene leaves, Sean with Corey goes
up to mister McGruder and asks if he wants Phoene gone.
Sean says, Corey can make that happen if he's elected.
I love this bit. I know, it's so cute, mister McGruder. Yeah,
mister McGruder seems interested, and he walks away, and Corey

(35:42):
says he wants to win. But in what world does
an eighth grade president fire the principle? And Sean says
it's nothing. It's just a campaign promise and to give
the people what they want, and then the two walk off,
chanting gave the people what they want. I also can't
believe that. I literally I'm like rubbing my head. Let

(36:06):
me writer. Then we're in the school cafeteria. Mess is
now standing on a chair and telling students, if teachers
get paid to teach, then students should get paid to learn.
Sean calls mis cheesy. Now something to note it here.

(36:26):
Corey has said that there are like four hundred kids
in the grade, but these twelve people in the cafeteria
seem very important. Ye. Yes, the entire thing. They have
to get all these people on board, And in basically
every scene in the hallway, the same extra walks out
of the door behind them. Every single time. Every sing

(36:48):
it's like, well, he's coming out again, same guy. This
guy's got stompach troubles. Every time it just is coming
out the same door, the same guy. Something that occurred
to me watching this scene in particular that our audience,
our listeners don't probably know, is that you can still
be considered a background extra and have lines as long

(37:08):
as there's more than five of you speaking at the
same time, which is why there's so much chanting. Really, yeah,
that's the rules. That's the rule, so so you can.
So that's why they all have to say the same
things at the same time, and it has to be
more than five of you. So that's like how you know,
extras get lines without being paid for being actors. So
it's so interesting. This scene had to be big enough,

(37:31):
had to have more than five kids at any moments
saying so that's why there's twelve, so that they can
have different opinions and split into groups but still be
more than five. Yeah, yeah, I know. With this scene,
I my first initial reaction was I wish that the
Mease character they had one character that stayed true to
their principles and was doing kind of the real thing

(37:51):
and trying to run in real But then the more
I thought about it, I was like, this is politics,
this is this is like politics. There were one person
saying until she becomes starts saying absurd things, well right
right right, you know, like they get to that point
and it's like at first I was like, oh man,
they should have kept in true and I was like, no,
that's politics. You get up there and you start saying

(38:13):
absurd things that you know can never happens. Do you
want to talk politics again, let's DUTs go through some examples.
You're private amongst ourselves? You think that again, I tell
us you're privately amongst ourselves, everybody happy to two large
groups of people. No, I don't. I mean we allude

(38:33):
to it in the end. By we don't just allude
to it, we call right to it. That the power,
it's power, the power, and getting caught up in moments
will make you say duties, yeah, to keep that going.
So Sean stands on another chair to debate that Mice
is not the best candidate. He's a curve breaker, always
getting a's and making everyone else look bad. Then Corey

(38:54):
replaces Sean on the chair and makes a speech saying
if he's president, Thursdays and Fridays will become part of
the weekend and Mondays will be optional. Mid speech, Phenie
and mister Turner walk in, interested in what's going on.
Mice interrupts the speech to argue that president couldn't change
a school week, and Sean fights back, saying, well, you
can't get students paid to come to school. When Nice

(39:15):
feels his integrity has been questioned, he says, you can't
trust Corey and runs off to get his evidence. Now,
Corey is nervous about what Mice has dug up. Shan says, oh,
it's nothing, it's a bluff. Then there is a very
long pause before Sean says, but also a lot of
weird stuff happens at But one of my favorite lines

(39:36):
of the shows ever looks like it's like listen, Corey,
Oh my god, it's really a good line. Funny yeah,
in this scene right back, right back to back. That
really made me laugh out loud. That was the first one.
It was. It was so great, and it's been set
up perfectly by all the things we've talked about, like

(39:59):
the conversations about my uncles and my mom, all the
stuff that it's just so perfectly established that all I
need to say is listen, listen, so good. It is
so great. It's a great Yeah, it's a great line.
That's the thing. This episode is full of the really
condensed comedy, but it's a real little gems all the
way through. Little gems. Yeah, these little gems like a
gem let us. Going back to the Phoenie Turner um

(40:24):
moment in this scene, I feel I feel like this
is where the dynamic between them really like, well we've
talked about with the second season, where it's like they
have it out in this scene and in the way
that I feel like they should have in the previous episodes,
where it's like Phoenie's like, you think they should make
their own mistakes and Turner's like yeah, and Phoene kind
of agrees with that, but also makes a joke like,

(40:45):
well that's I'm gonna let you make your mistakes, you know.
And I thought that it was like the same dynamic
but just wittier and they were a little didn't have
to be beaten to death. It was just fun and
it was funny, and I just I love Tony's like too, well,
if Matthews has it. That was my second half out loud.
Great fun, absolutely brilliant. Yeah, I just love that. I

(41:09):
love that the Phoenie Turner dynamic has gotten more mature
throughout the second season. Yeah, it feels it feels more
like just lighthearted and fun and yet still point it
so yeah, yeah, it's evolved as which it makes sense
because they have now even as far as when they
met and what their relationship is now, it has it
has evolved. They've had enough of these experiences. It's really
fun to watch. So Phoene asks her, Oh yeah, so

(41:32):
Phoenie as turn where he plans to step in and
teach him the democratic process, and mister Turner says, if
Corey wins Tuesday, Tuesday great. Mister Turner says, we can't
just tell the kids what to do. They have to
learn for themselves, let them make their own mistakes. Phoenie
agrees and says he uses the same strategy with a
certain young teacher. He knows perfect perfectly all the dynamic,

(41:53):
but still have it be witty and sort of above it. Yeah,
so good. Me springs in a girl named Paula who
tells a story about her and Sean from third grade.
So good, so good. She's so brilliant. So she had
a very important role on Star Trek. She's like a
famous Trek. I don't know. I just I just like

(42:14):
because I looked her up. When I saw her, I
was like, oh my god, I remember she hadn't talked
to her thirty years or whatever, and then I saw
that she's like very well known for a certain role
on Star Trek the Next Generations. Yeah, but she's so
good in this scene. Um, and the handwriting on her
folder is my handwriting? You did it? They had me, right,

(42:38):
girls are do you remember writing it? Or did you
just recognize your handwriting? I recognize my handwriting. The second
she pulled it up, I was like, that is definitely.
And then, by the way, that totally makes sense that
they would say, here write you do it. It's cool.
It is cute. Yeah, uh okay. So she says that
Sean one day near the monkey bars, she starts to

(42:59):
cry and me ports her. He says, be strong. She
continues and reveals that Sean once said all girls are icky.
Sean says he was only eight he didn't like girls.
Then Mice calls him a flip flopper since he changes
his mind and the student's chant flip flopopper, flip flopper, which,

(43:20):
by the way, I thought this was a really another
really great smart way of talking about politics. It is
something that comes up. How many times have you heard
a politician accuse another politician of being a flip flopper flopper?
And that doesn't mean that flipfloppers don't exist. But also
isn't it really great to overtime change your mind when

(43:44):
presented with new information? Absolutely evolved on certain things. I
actually think that the whole flip flopper thing is now,
I mean it doesn't that doesn't come up anymore the
way it did, like in like the John Kerry around
because you remember, yeah, so in a weird way, Boyd's
World predated the big flip flopper conversation, which was two

(44:06):
thousand and four, you know, so in like ninety five
we were all But now I feel like that whole
notion of being a flip flopper has sort of faded. Um,
it's not as as pointed of a criticism. Yeah, it's true,
and yeah we were ahead of the time, for sure,
yes we were. But I do remember it being a
very big deal. And yet interestingly, you know, I want

(44:29):
people to say, yes, I did used to think that,
and I when presented with this, this, this, and this,
I have realized and I have learned and I was
wrong before and this is my belief now. So anyway,
um uh Meece and Paula say that Corey has to
drop Sean. The students all agree in despite being his
best friend. Corey fires fired and then we continue. That

(44:52):
was a long scene, by the way, and then when
we come back and we're still in the cafeteria, I
was like, wow, yeah, this is probably a twelve page
scene at least. Yeah, it's got to be so long.
So we're still in the school cafeteria. Corey, now alone
with Sean, thinks they will pick up a lot of
girls from what happened earlier, but Sean is upset he
got fired. When Corey uses the term we, Sean flips

(45:15):
a lid and yells. We think we remember from the
episode and by the third one, you look like you
were going to lose it. Oh yeah, like you're just
about to break right there. Yeah. I'm only holding it
together because Ben was strong enough to hold it together.
You could tell he kept it together and I would
have lost it if he had cracked even a slight smile. Yeah.

(45:37):
I had to cut away to him on my Wii
because if they stayed on me, I was clear losing it. Yep,
I think I'd like it to hashtag cut away to
him on my Wii as our quote of the day,
if that's all right. I don't even know what it means,
but just the words together. They had to cut away
to him on my Wii. Corey says, Sean, you're squealing,

(45:58):
and Sean says, yes, it's the sound you make when
your best friend takes a gun and stabs you in
the back, right in front of your face, which is brilliant.
It seems so many layers again, the condensed, witty comedy.
This episode is really well written. This is I would
say the peak number one best dumb Sean like this is.

(46:20):
This is the best we've seen. Yeah, I agree, I agree. Yeah.
Corey says he did what he had to do to win,
like they planned. Sean says, if he just met Corey,
he wouldn't know who he is. Again, it's because you're

(46:45):
so earnest about it. You're so intense about it, like
it's real and how could you do this to me?
If I had just met you, I wouldn't even know
who you were. Like, it's playing all its emotionally motivated, motivated,
and it's it's good and it plays for the scene.
But then you also analyze what I'm saying. You're like,
wait a minute, Yeah, no, it's really good. Yeah, it's
good writing. It's really great. And then Sean walks out,

(47:08):
leaving the campaign behind. And then Eric comes in and
gets a huge Johnny AND's who also for showing up? Man?
Why am I there? I know, That's what I'm thinking about.
It's just but it's like the cafeteria now is completely empty,
and I happen to walk in to get a sodo
while my brother's there by himself. Yep, well, um, but

(47:30):
I liked my outfit so cute, so cute. So did
the audience apparently yes. Uh So he asks Corey how
the campaign is going, and Corey says he's heading in
a new direction, and Eric asks if that direction is down,
which I thought was funny. Eric guilt him for ditching
his best friend for a position he's not going to

(47:50):
win anyway, and Corey says Eric is used to being
popular and now he's just jealous that Corey will be
the popular one as president. Eric says, no, I'll be
the one with pictures of you running through the sprinklers naked.
Corey says, give me a break. I was four, and
Eric says, no, you weren't. You were twelve. And then Corey,
defeated says it was refreshing, it's so good. Is that

(48:11):
just an East Coast thing? Did you all run through
the sprinklers? Uh? Not really? I mean sometimes slip and slide, Yeah, slip.
I remember fancy dancy families that had a slip and slide. Okay,
I got it. Oh wow, whatever, if we didn't have
if you didn't have back East, if you didn't have
a pool, which we didn't, and you didn't have any
of that stuff, the sprinkler in the summer was the
best thing in the world. When you had you had

(48:33):
the kind which you could run through this one. But
then you also have the California Even though California gets hot,
it's you know, it's it's not yeah, it's not humid ever,
so I feel like that's more of a response to
humidity when you're just like, let's run through some cold water. Yeah, sprinklers. Yeah,
fun days, good times, good time. Interesting when you when

(48:54):
when you guys, when you were recapping the ending of
this scene, it is interesting that the last the scene
in the kitchen and now this scene both kind of
ended on this like slow, quiet buttons, like me saying
okay uh and and him saying I was refreshing. It's
it's a different style. Usually, you know, we have like
a hard button or a big out um. So this

(49:17):
is there's clearly a different style going on in the script.
Outside writer, outside writer from the forty nine ers, from
the forty nine ers. Yeah, and then we're in the
Matthews kitchen. Alan comes downstairs in the middle of the
night to see Corey working on his speech for the debate.
Alan coming down for sea pie. I thought, I just

(49:38):
want Rusties. I want Rusties rope. I was like, that's
a cool dad rope. It's like the perfect like perfect,
It's got a print but it's slightly faded. I was like, yeah,
I think I could pull that off now now that
I'm in my forties, I should get you. Yeah. It's
a great low pie all right, but midnight. Yeah, I
was like, what, it's my new band. Alan looks at

(50:01):
the speech and asks how Corey is going to get
Baywatch to film at their school and at a waterslide.
The school doesn't even have a pool. What about the
graduate episode? Guys, right, I was thinking about that. But
did they go to and I know they must have.
They went to the school. Yeah, we were in our
bathing suits in the cafeteria. Nope, that was a different school.
That was first season. Oh oh wait, right, you're right yeaheah.

(50:25):
No elementary school had a pool. High school Desert Rights, Yeah, yeah,
barely swim definitely. Kindergarteners, kindergarteners through fifth grade get the pool?
Did that whole episode just to get that graduate shot? Yes,
just for the record, I know. Corey says it's all

(50:49):
just to win. Then once he's elected, he'll handle the
real stuff. Corey says he can't be boring, he has
to be exciting, and Alan says he isn't behind the strategy.
When Alan asks Corey why he wants to be president,
Corey says he wants to finally fit in and he
can be who he really wants to be. Corey matthews honest, loyal,
and decent, and then Alan quickly says honest to the

(51:09):
void of voters, loyal to your best friend, and decent
enough to kill off your parents. He then leaves in
that badass dad robe. Yeah, so here's the thing, this
is where my mind goes. Ok, he comes down for
midnight pie. Right, he takes said pie with him upstairs
with only one fork. Right, He's gonna eat in red

(51:30):
so is he. He? It's not like Amy was like,
go get some pie. He's literally gonna sit sit in
his bed next to I'm guessing asleep and just finish
the pie. Yeah, I'm sorry, And yeah he's still that thin. Yeah,
I was just running. I was like, clearly just for
him because there's no second fork. But by the way,
did you see what amount of pie was in the pie?

(51:52):
There wasn't a lot. It wasn't barely even a full piece.
You're bringing the whole tin upstairs that you know, Rusty
eating figures prominently this episode mashed potatoes and uh. And
Alex was watching the episode with me and she said,
I can't watch that. It's making me uncomfortable the way
he's eats with he's also he's doing some great mashed potatoes.

(52:13):
Because she was like, it's making watch Also, the only
thing on his plate, mind you was just a mound
of mashed potatoes. That was well. It looked to me
like she was putting the mashed potatoes into a tupperware container,
which made me think it was after dinner. And he
was like, hey, you know what, give me a little
more of those those, which is completely in keeping with
somebody like me. I'm that same way. I'm like, dinner's
over when I'm done eating. Yeah, yeah, so that's yeah,

(52:34):
I get it, I get it. That makes sense. It
worked for me. It was real. I wish we could
stop judging how we all eat, bringing pies to bed,
eating mashed potatoes long after dinner, there are no rules.
Midnight Pie in Bed is a great album. It is
still something I think about every single day. But I
love being an adult because I can have a cookie

(52:55):
whenever I want one, six am with my coffee, before
I have had it at anything else. No one can
tell me no, I think about it all the time,
right before dinner starts. Gonna spoil my appetite, that's my choice,
thank you very much. Yeah, I've literally thought multiple times.
This is one of the greatest parts of being an adult,
isn't it. Yeah? Literally, yesterday Sue. Sue said to me

(53:16):
yesterday we were walking and we were eating separate stuff
and I'm I was like, oh jeez, I'm gonna get
some lunch, and she's like, I had lunch already. I
had two short bread cookies. I was like, that was
your lunch. He's like, yeah, so what I decided on
having today? All right, all right, great, there you go.
It's so it's just great. It's love being an adult.
Just love it. Uh. So we're in the school auditorium

(53:40):
and mister Feenie announces it's time for the debate and
the two candidates are Corey and Meece and then says
slim pickings indeed. And I can't believe I can't remember
this episode because I usually remember big crowd scenes. But
I remember the music, you know, I remember shooting the
band episode because it was like, we're in an auditor wriam,

(54:00):
We're on stage. It's a different set that's built for
that occasion. Were in front of a bunch of extras.
We're acting no recollection of this. So I was like,
what happened? No, I don't either. I don't either. And
you get up on stage at the end and you
get up on stage, you come out. Do you remember
getting up on stage? No? Okay, we're gonna have to

(54:20):
talk about it when we get there, because I have
a Oh man, I was I was sure you were
going to be like so this episode where we're finally
at this episode, why I was confined you were going
to do that? Oh no, maybe I've blocked it out. Okay,
well we'll get there. Okay, So mister Turner barges in
and announces a new candidate, Sean Hunter. Corey questions if

(54:43):
Sean can just join the election like this, and Turner
says he can. Sean makes a speech saying he could
only saying he only called some girls icky years ago,
back when he had cooties. It's so funny. Yes, I cooties,
but he fought his way back and is now coody
free and girl friendly. To prove it, he announces his

(55:05):
co candidate, Paula Kelly, pulling us that single rose. There
we go, we set up bachelor. Who knew if the
show has created everything anything By the way the Beard episode,
multiple people let me know that the Beard episode of
Boy Meat's World was before the Beard episode of and
before the Nazi episode two right which which is Seinfeld

(55:28):
is basically just stealing from Boy Meets World. Yeah, I
said it, Jerry, that's it there. What's the deal with
you taking our stuff? So it's pretty good? Thanks. Uh.
Mister Feeney asks mister Turner how far he's willing to
let this go. Turner says he has faith in the process,
but also maybe just one more minute. Sean calls Corey
out for making outrageous campaign promises, and Corey says, but

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only because you told me to. Sean asks what if
I told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
And Corey admits, yeah, I did that once. Don't you
remember I did that? Do you say it too? Is great?
I did Yeah, that one. Don't you remember? Don't identify
to remember? And then when Me's questions how could you
vote for a guy dumb enough to jump off a bridge,
Sean gets real protective and says it was off a

(56:11):
miniature golf bridge and it was to get his ball
and to stop name calling. Sean and Corey then team
up against Mees, who's standing in between them, then mis
resigns and storms off when he's outed for having his
mom buy his clothes. Yeah, and like even just what
Corey calls him. You know, I know, we're whatever. I
was just like, whoa, it's very big, really mean, yeah

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really turn your face yelling like I was like, I
don't like this. Yeah. Yeah. It's very out of character
for Corey too. I mean the means this episode was
out of character for every character they gave it to.
Now do you think they figured because he said dumb
a guy who's dumb enough to do this? They felt like, well,
he swung first, so it's okay for him to fire

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one back, which is part of the reason you were
okay with the underdog Mincus sometimes saying really harsh things
back because he was often the one being picked on
and so it was kind of in self defense. In
this case, it was definitely a soft punch followed by
light like yeah, I mean, I think I think Mincus
is just such a ends up being such a well

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developed character, and I think the dynamic, especially between Mincus
and Sean, was one of like, while Sean has social skills,
he does not have the brain power. And that was
always clear, right, is that like Minks maybe a nerd,
but he's also awesome in his own way. Right In
this case, poor Alvin is just a punching bag foil
for us, and which is fine, Like I totally get it,
but if Corey Ye calling him, like just literally calling

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him a name was just really it was just felt
harsh to me. It's like, oh, okay, it didn't feel
like our show for a moment. I would like to
go off on another tangent, which is which child at
this age does not have his mommy buying his clothes?
What are we talking about here? Just even a thing? Yeah,
you're twelve and you're not buying your own clot Are
you crazy? Come on now, of all the things, it

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seemed like a weird one. Yeah. Phoene sends them all
back to their classes to vote and for God to
have mercy on their souls, and then Corey interrupts and
says he ran for president to find out who he was,
and yet he still doesn't know, but he did learn
that he's neither a good candidate nor a good friend,
and then drops out of the race and tells everyone
to vote for Sean. He is the best friend anyone

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could have. Sean then yes, very sweet. Sean then stands
up for Corey and says Corey is really Corey really
is honest, loyal, and decent, and then he withdraws from
the race too. Paula jumps in and says she wants
to be president, she wanted her life to mean something,
and then Sean offers to take her out for a
burger and she says yes and withdraws from the race immediately. Yeah, yeah,

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a little bit of a bummer. But when we did
not know how this episode ended, we were Jenson and
I Jensen, who's husband and producer of this podcast. Jensen
and I were like, what how did they just do this?
Like I was truly like, oh no, this is awful.
They have this girl up there who says I want

(59:14):
my life to mean something. I would like to be president,
and then Sean just offers to take her to go
get a Parker. I literally wrote the sentence, Shay bailing awful.
That's so I had the exact same feeling when I
was watching. I was like, well, that just sucks. That
is such a crappy, like what a way to just
sacrifice a whole Yeah it sucks, man, Yeah it sucked.

(59:37):
I was like, whoa, there's a little there's a little redemption. Sure,
not for her character, but at least for you know,
for the episode. So Phoene says, this has left the
eighth grade leader list for next year. Mister Turner says
he's bummed because he was really looking forward to Corey's
five day weekend. And then to Panga stands up and

(59:58):
goes up to the podium and starts to make an
energetic campaign speech. I saw Dusty. Dusty was rooting for
Topanga in the front rower. Corey says Tapanga would be
a great president, and then mister McGruder stands up and
asks about a water slide, and Tapanga blindly says, you
got it. Tapanga starts a chant for her own name,
and the students join in. They love their future president

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and Will I'm dying to know what you remember about this.
So I could be wrong, but I have a pretty
good memory. Okay, you did it once or twice, and
then you started getting note after note after note, Do
it again, do it again, do it again, note after
note after note. The audience is there, do it again,

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do it again, do it again, and you burst into
tears and you were crying hysterically, and the audience had
to wait, and they walked you backstage and they calmed
you down and the take they used at the end.
I could see it because I was looking for it.
You could tell you had kind of cryy eyes and
they used makeup to cover it up. Wow. And so

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that was one of the reasons that why when I
then saw the episode back then it's funny Will. When
I was watching it, I was like, Danielle seems pissed.
I was watching it, I was like, then there's something
about her in this, in this end moment that she
is like Like, I was just like, Danielle is not happy,
she is angry and and to Pango was never angry
like to And so I was like, what is happening?

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That's so interesting? To you up and beat you up
and beat you up and you burst into tears. And
that's why when I saw the episode originally air, what
were the notes? What could possibly don't remember? I don't remember,
but it was what now? And you got to do one?
And it's one more and what and it just and
so at the end where it comes out and it
says the first time I saw it where it said

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exact producer Michael Jacobs. And the first thing I thought was, Oh,
they're making it up to her for the way they
treated her at the end of that episode. I remember
thinking that in ninety four when it aired, or ninety
five when it air right now, and that remember it.
It was you know, it's it's the it was they
it's you know, my one person gives the notes, but
there's you know, Michael gave the notes and is kind

(01:02:08):
of yelling, but there's you know, the writers are all
gathered around a thing, and then there's then Michael yells out,
and then it was kind of just beating her up
over and over and over again, and then you burst
into tears, I mean just flat out first weird because
I even hearing you say it memory, no memory, so
it is a fully repressed like and I I've always

(01:02:30):
wondered if I have those because I have zero memory
of that zero. I was so convinced you were going
to start this episode with like this is oh man
the end. This was a huge thing from like and
then when you said I don't remember it, I was
chocked because this was I mean, they held the audience.
We had to wait for like twenty minutes for you

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to calm down. Your mom went over and was like
calming you down, took you off backstage, it was a
whole thing, So it was, Yeah, it was I remember
those I remember those moments in general, like I remember
that feeling like that would happen so more regularly. Moments
like that yelling you know, I mean, I remember we
talked about in first season, you got held in front

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of the audience through the bag throwing. You know, you
looked at it, you look back on it as this
like accomplishment of acting like you found this comedic beat.
But the truth is that was a tortuous experience for you.
You know, you were being held and being told you
weren't doing something right over and over again, and never
being clear every thing. I remember. That was the thing
I remember about those moments more than anything is feeling

(01:03:35):
very much like I am doing I think, I truly
think I'm doing what you're asking because I was never um,
I don't think any of us were like refusing to
commit to a bit, like we were willing to do
whatever was asked to do our best thought exactly and
and by the way, being like, I'm sorry, I literally

(01:03:56):
cannot imagine what you're asking to do differently than what
I just did. And so I'll try again. Yeah, and
I'll try again, and I'll try again. But it's a
very frustrating feeling when you feel like I'm sorry, what
am I missing because I feel like I'm doing it.
So no, I don't remember that. Go back and watch
it again and look at your eyes and your face.
You can tell you said Jensen did say, he goes,

(01:04:17):
it's so funny, you look so different here. He didn't
know that. It was like, you know, like writer said
that I looked angry or anything. He was just like you,
there's something different about you there. Um. And now that
I think about watching it and I don't remember anything
of it, I do feel like I can picture myself
on the screen just from watching it last night and
feeling like there's a deadness behind my eyes teeth. Yeah,

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that's what I picked up on. I was like, why
is Danielle not into this beat? Like because it seems
like a fun beat to get a whole crowd with you,
and instead you just do not seem happy beat. You
were beating up by this point, like literally, I remember
was just being and feeling horrible, like sitting there watching
this feeling horror because you burst into tears in front

(01:05:02):
of her. Yeah, no, it was I'm if you were
in that audience, If you were in that audience, wouldn't
that be interesting? Yeah, if you were in that audience
and that you were one of the prisoners, you should
be out by now. Yeah, we'll need proof that you

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were in the audience. But if you were in the
audience and you remember that, oh boy, I would love
to love to hear from you. So yeah, we we
um we freeze frame with Topanga wide eyed and screaming,
and the Michael Jacob's executive producer Cretic gets swiped away
to say to Panga, and then we're in the tag
in the Matthew's kitchen, Amy says Corey was quiet during dinner,
and Alan says he's better off not being president. Alan

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says he's proud of Corey for dropping out, because you
can't be making promises you can't deliver on. Amy says,
like when Alan promised to take her to Europe. He says, exactly,
but obviously he doesn't remember this at all. Alan pretends
he remembers, and he tells her to book the tickets immediately.
Alan lee us and Eric asks Amy if he really
did promise to take her to Europe, and she says

(01:06:04):
of course he did Chess now Jess now women. Yeah,
I know, that's kind of it's really the Alan Amy
relationship has fallen into that. Really, it's gone into the
nineties sitcom trope, which you know is just like all right.
I do think this one's a little yeah sorry, Yeah,

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it's not as bad as the last episode, but it's
still it's just this is kind of what it is
now for a while, and I think it gets back.
I remember them kind of going to the wise route again. Um,
so I can't I missed that. I missed that. Well.
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