TGI - Episode 303 “What I Meant to Say”

No matter what universe you’re in, this new recap episode is filled with detail after detail! From the important debut of the infamous Cory jean jacket to the not so important architectural intricacies of Topanga’s house, Danielle, Rider & Will completely breakdown “What I Meant to Say.” It’s the true beginning of a confusing relationship - and our hosts are here to try and help (hard emphasis on TRY).
This episode was recorded on June 8, 2023.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on June eighth, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm gonna say something, and I think Will's gonna have
some strong opinions one.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Way or the other.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't know about this.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
It'll be fun. No more Multiverse, stop it, thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I just saw it across the Spider Verse, thank you,
and it was like, it's wonderful if the animation is incredible,
acting like in the first hours, and then I'm just
like stop. And then there's a preview for the Flash Multiverse.
I'm just like, stop it, stop it, stop and stop it.
I am so sick of it. It's like everything everywhere,
all at once did it. They did it so well,

(00:56):
they explored it in all the human ways. And I
feel like the First Verse, which is what like four
years ago, it's amazing, introduced this idea and now what started.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
As like wouldn't that be cool?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, but it's also a very clear human sort of
narrative reaction to a culture of too much information. Right, Like,
we live in a world where we have constant connectivity
with every human being that's ever lived there is still alive,
and we can read all information about everything. So this
notion that like we're not special, that we're like one

(01:28):
fragment in a multiverse sort of mindset is like super healthy.
We're all kind of going through that as a culture.
So to explore that narratively with like, you know, storytelling
is awesome, but now it just feels like this crass
the commercial capitulation where it's like, uh, we oft to
fan service everybody. So if you like Michael Keatan Batman,

(01:51):
we got to get you in there, and if you
like this Spider Man, we got to get you. And
it's like, stop, I don't care, Just tell a story.
Just tell one story.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Will you're you're awfully quiet? I totally agree with you.
I will go even farther.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
And this is me saying that I, at least right now,
am sick of.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
The superhero story. I just there's too much.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
There's there being thrown at me left and right when
it comes to not only movies but also television shows
and everything and everything and everything and everything, and it's
just they took this beautiful thing that was wonderful and
now it's everywhere all the time, and it's too much.
So I think the next big thing, thankfully, and we're
starting to see this is going to be fantasy stories,

(02:37):
which thank god because they're my favorite.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
But then I hope they don't get to that.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So will they be original fantasy story you think?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I think they'll adapt books like you know, Wheel of
Time came out on Amazon. I'm not even gonna get
into that. But but wait a minute, Willow got canceled.
Willow did get canceled and is Lord of the Rings
the Dungeons.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I heard The Dungeons. I'm watching it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I just go, oh my god, it was. It's so fun.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I think it's going to be that kind of like
the Guardians of the Galaxy kind of.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Intank, but it didn't do as well as a superhero.
I mean that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's like, these movies are still the hero. I mean
we're definitely in like late stage superhero, but we're not dumb.
But what we might be, but we're not.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I mean you already get you know, like Marvel announcing
the next six years of Marvel movies kind of things,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Like it's just cannibalizing itself.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean that's what this multiverse is, Like how many
times can you reinvent? And it's like I just don't
care anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
You know what people should do, honestly, people should do.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
If you like the superhero stuff, if you want to
jump into that world, which you should, go back and
read all the comic books. Don't let the movies happen.
Like if you want to watch movies, fine, watching movies,
but go back and actually read the stories. Read where
they started, read where they go. Read, you know, get
into X Men. Get into the fact that it's like,
wait a minute, there's seven thousand books. Yes, read them,

(03:57):
go the different branch read x Men. You don't think
I will. I don't let me tell you met you.
I don't know what you want to talk doctor Stringe.
But yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's the multiverse thing. It's too much right now.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
What It's funny though, because because I didn't get into
comics as a kid, because I was overwhelmed by the
sheer multiverse factor, Like I didn't know where to start.
You know, now I guess you would. You could kind
of pick your your your channel of like comics to
start it, because there's enough meta information out there. But yeah,
I mean I feel like comics already went through this,

(04:32):
probably in like the seventies and eighties, right where it
was like, oh, the fourteenth iteration of Spider Man or whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
But yeah, with.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Movies, it's it's it's it's diminishing returns. It's really aboumber
at this point. And like, I mean, Indy loved the
New Spider Verse though, so he really liked it, so
you know, there's always going to be.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
A target audience for it.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm just I'm exhausted by that conceit and I think
it's going to age poorly. Like I think ten years
from now, they're going to be like remember when everything
was a multiverse and they brought the actors to come.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
And speaking to the fact that a lot of us
want to imagine that we are also we are living
in a multiverse and that there's like a happier us somewhere.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Exactly and so exactly, which is why everything everywhere, all
at once did it right. It was like it took
this big superhero high concept idea reduced it to a
very personal human story, a mother daughter story, you know,
running along dramat like being married, going through a divorce
like that.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
But that's what you like, that's your thing.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I mean again, that's like you like the more filmmaker
style of storytelling as opposed to the multiverse. Multiverse is like,
is more what I see the multiverse as as opposed
to like, I get what they're doing. Where now we
want to make an independent like artsy film about the multiverse, Okay,
And that's your preference because that's you prefer that kind

(05:55):
of stuff, Whereas I like, if.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You're going to do it, you can just do it, Giant.
That's how I look.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I just wanted to have concept is I guess sure?
So like, like you know, I don't mind multiverse stuff
as long as I know that's destroying and games destroying.
I think it got blown out by that that story.
I didn't I didn't love all the adventure stuff, but
I do think that that had a plan and it
had an end. An endgame literally is called in where
it was like, Okay, this matters to these characters, certain

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people are going to die, and it's going to end.
Whereas like this, I feel like, you know, Spider Verse,
and it seems I haven't seen the Flash obviously, but
I feel like that's in the same thing. It's like, oh,
we're It just feels like we're just compiling movies together
for the sake.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Of smashing something amazing with the flash. That's a film.
So here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
The live action movies are great, but for years and
years and years, the animated movies have been doing it
right when the live action movies have it, Like every
time the animated the animated Batman movies are the the
live action Batman movies come out with like Arnold Schwartzenegger,
people are going, what is this while the great animated
movies were coming out, So go watch Flashpoint Paradox, which
is a animated flash movie, which is phenomenal. So it's

(07:03):
like stuff like that, and it's probably ten years old,
so stuff like that. Go back and watch the animated stuff.
It's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
See.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think that those writers are allowed more freedom. Absolutely,
like this whole notion of Cannon and you know, when
they're throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into our movie,
it's like, well, we got to get every version of
Spider Man, every Batman in it in order to like
justify the expense and justify the theatricality of it. And
that's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Like I hope it's animation.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
So there's some animated movies out of there that do
it really well and it didn't need to be done
live action because it was already done perfectly animated.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You get that a lot too.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
But when you start looking at the comic books as
American mythology, which is what they are, I mean, Superman,
these are all gods. So when you start looking at
like that and you kind of read that into it,
it just takes on a whole new life.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
It's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, welcome to Pod meets Multiverse. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm
writers Strong.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And in this universe, I'm Will Fardell.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I wanted you to be super feel freedom there.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm waiting for the call. I'm waiting for the super
Phil Friedo single. It's been foggy, That's what happened. Be
able to see it.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So jumping into our recap today is season three, episode three,
What I Meant to Say. It originally aired October thirteenth,
nineteen ninety five. The synopsis is Corey and Tepanga experience
a roadblock in their relationship when Corey tells her I
love you, and mister Turner's friend Eli becomes the new
media arts teacher. It was directed by David Kendall. It

(08:38):
was written by Frendelson, Yeah right, Yeah. It was written
by Mark Blutman and Howard Buskang and guest stars Alex
de Sayer as Eli Williams and Anastasia Horne as Christy.
She was from Kids Incorporated and would later appear in
one hundred and two episodes of General Hospitals spinoff Port
Charles and Buffy.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Okay, since you just mentioned Kendall, I have a quick
message from David Kendall. So I talked to Kendall yesterday
and he said, God, I love listening to you, to
the three of you together. It's one of the highlights
of my day. And sometimes I'm just screaming at my phone.
And he said, what was the perfect example is you
guys having a ten minute discussion of why did they

(09:22):
do the tag this way with Bill Daniel's shirt?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Did they throw the food at him? Did they change
it and get ready to bleep?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
He goes for five minutes, I'm just screaming at my
phone because it's the fucking tag. That's why we didn't
want to put him in four shirts.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's the tag.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
So I thought that was He's like, you can tell
them that I was like, okay, good so.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I the answer that we did not pose when we
were discussing the reason why is they didn't care. That
was that's essentially what it didn't care, didn't shirts, didn't
want to spend the money. They truth trully. What he's
saying is we didn't care. It was a twenty second tag.
We couldn't have cared less about it. We did what

(10:02):
was easy. Yes, and he said do we do? We
really want to keep Bill Daniels there? Later in the
night he's like just putting and just if it was
one of us, they would have thrown. So that is
directly from Kendall's right. Another thing for us to consider
is they don't care. I will thank you Kendall for

(10:22):
letting us know.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
In that's now screaming at his phone again.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
That's what Kendall said. It was the tag Jack means,
we don't care good enough, Okay, we open our cold open.
In Chubby's Corey is teaching to Panga how to play
pool and I remember this episode, guys. I remembered it.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Wow, Cas we were going through a big one.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
It was like I remember it was a big one
for you and Ben, did.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You like I did?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Like it. Did you like it?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Did you like it?

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Rider?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Something was off for me? I agree, you know what,
It's weird because we've talked about the end of season
two episodes being very dramatic and and liking that about them.
This one was missing some humor. It was missing some
some levity to balance out the Corey to Pega drama.
I guess so it felt a little I don't know,
it felt off for me.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I just wanted a little more.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
At about this episode. Actually, I don't like most of
our performances. I thought all of us were really big.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Rider, you looked like you were going to laugh and
actually did laugh at one point.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
You looked like you're gonna laugh through most of us.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
To take where he was breaking, to take.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Where you both broke? Wait, which are you kidding that
you didn't get.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Breaking through the words? And then Ben breaks but thankfully
has me is the distraction in this It's I Actually,
I of course loved it because it really was like,
oh yeah, I seeing it really then remembered the feeling
of what it's like to break in a scene. So anyway, okay, Corey.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I also did not like the Corey into Panga stuff
and we'll get into that. Okay, Yeah, we'll.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Get into it. I did enjoy the episode, although that
doesn't mean I don't have any criticisms of it. But
I did overall enjoy the episode, but also can agree
with the idea that it could have used to punch up.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I just want to you know. Unfortunately, the like
the lighter storyline, which is I guess.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Will wasn't good. It was not It wasn't fun.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And then the and then the the Eli storyline, which
I do like, just wasn't super funny, like it was
just I don't know, this episode just last it was
lacking balance for me.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I can agree with that. The introducing Eli, we had
a lot of exposition we had to get through because
we had to introduce his character and his obviously his
character isn't like based in like a haha funny He's
a good guy. It's like morality and media and so
there isn't like a ton of like haha there. So
I yeah, I could.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
It was a strange episode for me. I didn't hate it.
It was just a strange episode for me.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
So Corey is teaching Tapega how to play pool. They're
being very flirty and then to Panga and sorceles Corey
by kissing him on the cheek and he stumbles over
on the table, ruining the pool shot. And then Corey
moves on to teaching Tapega how to play darts, and
when she blows in his ear, which was apparently sexy
or something sexy thing, he accidentally hit someone who yells.

(13:14):
How So they decide to just sit and talk since
no one has ever been hurt that way. And I
actually thought that may have been a joke that I
just raced right through and didn't hit it all that, like,
let's sit and talk. No one ever gets hurt talking,
And of course that's exactly that's always, well not just
always what happens, but people get hurt a lot of
times through sitting and talking. So I thought maybe it

(13:35):
was a joke, but I didn't play it as if
it was a joke at all, So it was kind
of like, well, way.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Right away, there's a lot of kissing, Yeah, cuddling and stuff.
This is no wuz from the audience. Yeah, there was
no audience interaction with any of the kissing in this episode,
which I found kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It was a pre tape because the it was a
pre tape the.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Show it back.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, usually you get the wuz from the audience and
the stuff from the audience, and there weren't any.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I wonder if that's because they're a couple, right like I, well, no,
because Rusty and Betsy. But there's something maybe about just
Corey and t Banga kissing the boring it's expected.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I don't know, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I immediately wrote down, like why is Ben dressed so
cool there? Like k e W you know, it's like
with the and that was because the gene jacket ends
up being that thing, right, But I just was.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like, oh, they've dressed Corey cool.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I thought, you know, with the sleeves rolled up,
it just doesn't really feel like Corey.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And I thought maybe it was like, oh, they're they're
making him cooler now he's in a stable relationship. But
I think it was just.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
A jackar And I love the set, by the way.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I love the depth of that set and the pool
table and getting to see the kind of action in
Chubbies behind You. I'm a I was a big fan
when they kind of brought that room.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Me too, Yeah, I like it, Tapega says, she's cold,
and he puts his jean jacket on her shoulders and
this is the This is the beginning of this jean
jacket lasts for decades because it came back on Girl
Meets World and when it came yeah, I came back
on Growing Throld, And when it came back I was like,
what's the gene jacket thing, what's the importance of this?

(15:11):
What's the importance of this strain jacket?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Who am I to?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
How do is it?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I loved that Ben's yellow shirt is the exact color
of the shirt that Betsy gought for me.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
It's like, oh, this is clearly just the.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yellow. It looks good on it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
But it was just it was funny that was so definable.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Cory color, Yeah, yes, Corey has a color. Topeka says,
moving from friends to boyfriend and girlfriend has been really easy,
and Topanga asks Corey if he's feeling what she's feeling,
and she says she thinks she is, and then Corey says,
I love you, but Tapanga just sits there silently. Cory
asks to Panga if she heard him, and she asks

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if they can leave, and it is awkward.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
What's gonna say? Gonna say, yeah, that's what.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
I never answered that question, which could have been either
funny or more poignant if Tapanga actually finishes the thought I.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Thought I was going to be a turkey chubby with cheese,
you know, like it was.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Going to be exactly I'm cold, I'm something where it's
kind of a joke. But they never even finished it,
which made you kind of go, what was she game?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, I did, I didn't. I thought it was fine
that it didn't get finished in this scene, but I
thought it would come back by the end of the episode.
But it doesn't, right, it never is reperend. No, it
seems like an obvious question for him to ask, what
were you going? What were you thought? I was the
same thing that I would have been thinking, And it
would have been great if it was, you know, let's
go get ice cream or whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
You know, Yeah, fives are coming back on me.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
I need a bathroom, you know, something like that, something
just random like, oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
A dangling yeah. Point.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yes, that's an important one, I think, and that one
that could have been used either comedy or as more
of an insight into what to Panga was actually think
it right.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Because we do the same joke in a way with
Betsy right where he's holding the cup and we were
gonna go this, which is the right, which is great,
but that the implication is clear what he really meant
is clear in this case, we never I never know.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, then we're in the school hallway. Sean is telling
Corey about his date with Paula Balboa at Chubby's where
he got hit in the butt with a dart by
some yahoo And.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Why would you not like ask who threw the dark
Walk into the next room where the dart board is
and say, dude.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
You think you were on a date? You were being sorceld.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, everyone, this is.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
The start of you looking like you going to laugh.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
By the way, yes, I definitely felt like I was
breaking this entire episode.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
You were just looks so horrible. This episode horrible, my
skin we are in peak bad skin rider. I didn't
notice that. Frankly, oh my god, look at it.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
If you realize I am caked in makeup in order
to cut more makeup.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Until I have its all over my face. I honestly
didn't notice it.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I just know I do notice. Your hair needs to
be cut, for sure. This long hair is too much.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And this vest outfit is not working for me. There's
been ones that do this.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I am, well, I would just like you as to know,
as you know I which I watch with the subtitles on,
and the subtitles ruined this joke for me because in
the previous scene in Chubby's it says in the in
the Chiron, Sean yells ow, and so I go, oh,
he just hit Sean from the other room. And then

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I thought, that's weird. They don't even address it with Sean.
And then I even thought, oh, they must have just
had right or do it because he could yell ow.
And then the joke comes back in the hallway and
I go, subtitles ruined this little joke.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I didn't remember it, but when I heard the owl,
was like, is that right?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
You recognize? So that joke was ruined for me, but
I do like it. Corey doesn't admit that it was him.
He just says he has a lot of sick people
out there, man. And Sean asks how Corey's date with
Topanga went, and Corey says ninety percent good, and Sean says,
what about the other twenty percent, which is a really cute, easy,
dumb dumb Sean joke, I like it. We get a

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big laugh from the audience. Corey tells Sean he may
have gotten caught up in the moment and told Tapanga
he loves her. Sean gasps and says every girl is
going to want to hear that as soon as everyone
finds out. And then Corey says, what that. I tell
her that I loved her, And Sean calls Cory atinking canary.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, thinking canary.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You're like thinking canary, which is really.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
The severity of my reaction is really really good. Yeah,
it's so Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Lends itself to the giant acting of this episode that
we all have.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, yeah, very big.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Sean tells Eric that Corey told Tapanga he loves her,
and when Eric's lady friend says ah, Eric panics and says,
Grandma Topanga, what's not to love?

Speaker 6 (19:59):
What's not?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh great? He grabs Corey by the back of the neck,
and Eric's lady friend we find out her name is Christy.
She walks off. Now Eric is trying to plan how
to tell Christy he loves her, but he doesn't even
know her last name. Eric says he's got to think,
and then he acts like he's in pain, and Sean suggests,
do you thinking cramp? Yep? Sean says he gets those two.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
You remember this, remember doing this with you? Yeah? I
totally remember doing this with you.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, but I like, what should the thinking cramp be?
And we were like, all right, so it'll be like
in your face and you'll go.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Like, ah, now, I just like that. That Eric and
Sean Bridge.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
We've been talking about it and now they're like, hey,
fellow dumb dumb love you. Sean says, dating at John
Adams High as they know it is now over, and
Corey wants to make sure that everything's still going to
be okay between him and to Panga, and Sean laughs
his entire way right or you laugh your entire way
through this line. You say, are you kidding me? From

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this moment on to Panga will be a love struck
puppy hanging on your every word and you and you're
laughing fully break and are laughing.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
You think I'm bully breaking.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Break and then he's holding it together until the very
end of your line, and then he breaks and you
both just laugh looking at each other.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I need to watch this again.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I totally need.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
To watch it again. We always say like, oh, I'll
go back and watch it, and then we never do
really do go back and watch this because it actually
brought back a really fun feeling for me, like watching
it happen.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I have to watch this. I have to watch this. Yes,
I'm pulling this up because this is why did.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I not notice it? Notice?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'll be honest. I had to wake up this morning
at six thirty in the morning to watch this episode,
and he was getting his waking up around seven and
brushing his teeth and doing everything.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So I was a little distrabed. Might have to watch
it's so great?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Why was I going to laugh this whole episode? I
noticed that I was going to last a laugh, but
I didn't. I didn't catch me breaking. I just thought
I was like in a weird zone of insecurity because
I look so awful.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't know why we why you thought this episode
was just you really apparently think it's very funny while
we're doing it.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, you're right, she's gonna.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Be Oh my god, what was happening to me?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
What a bad a?

Speaker 4 (22:27):
You were just looked at each other and you see
him about it, and then Danielle walks in.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm gonna lose it.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Even before I lose it the second will leave you scene,
I'm falling apart.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh no, it's so funny. And I then I'm like,
did they did you break every time? And they were
just eventually like we have to use this?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Or did they all?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Did they also love the actual feeling game gave everyone.
I don't know, but it is. It is so funny.
Then Tapega walks over and Corey steps in front of her,
but she says, I really need to go, and she
walks off, and Sean says, see, which is a funny
idea that he thinks everything's fine. Mister Feoenie is chasing
after Eli in the hallway for taking his coffee. Eli explains, no, no,

(23:06):
I put money in coffee poured out. It's my coffee.
Phoene says he had already put seventy five cents into
the machine. Eli only put in a nickel, so it's
his coffee. Turner runs up and reminds Eli of the
meeting he has today with a certain mister Feenie, and
Eli says, yes, I can't wait to tell that Phoenie.
He has a little mustached man running around in the
hall stealing coffee.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
We did this already.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
We already did this exact joke in the exact same place,
in the exact same part of the hallway with who.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
They were in the cafeteria.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Another one where somebody runs in where it's like you
don't know, it's mister Phoene.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
It's like, we've done this, We've seen this well. Adam
Scott tricked him. His character tricked him the.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Other way right the time we was talking about is
with chesspot. I ain't I like that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
We've done it already.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
It's like this is you're essentially introducing the character of
what he's gonna do, and you're gonna do the it's
mister He's standing right behind me.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Essentially.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's like this is the best we got. So this
is where I started to be like attacking. Come on,
we've done and it's not even like I'm okay if
it's hacky for the first time, but we've literally already
done this exact same joke.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So any time we do the they're right there, aren't that? Yeah,
they heard me the whole.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's such a now certainly twenty three was it that
old way back then?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yes, Yes, it was. Yes, it was because I feel.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Like it was most famously done in City Slickers Billy Crystal.
Did they have a callback in that movie? Every Where
Wich would have come out before this, It was just
like it was always the setup, and I just thought
it was a week right there.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
This is the best you got is again somebody who
doesn't know they're talking to mister Feenie.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's like, come on, I mean, yeah, I think you
guys are being a little hard on it.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
I don't think I am. I don't think you're being
hard enough this time. Frankly, miss Danielle.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
To shame.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I knew she did.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I knew at least is being introduced, as opposed to
the last time he was on the show where they
just ignore it.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now he has a purpose. We find out he has
a job or had a job.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Set a conflict between the two of them. You know,
it's a ninety five TGI have sitcom.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Sometimes I am okay with that excuse. Occasionally I'm not
okay off our own jokes.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, I know, you're right. He did make me think
of Check. It did make me think we did this
with Check just a few episodes ago in in career day. Okay, anyway,
Phoene walks off, calling oh. Eli eventually realizes the man
with the mustache is Phoenie and he offers him as coffee.
Phoene walks off, calling Eli behind him, and they walk
off to the boy's bath And now.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yet again, the label says phoebe.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
But we all know that's the boy's question.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Because I didn't notice this is the phone still there?
They don't even remove the phone, do they? I think,
so it's not like maybe the phone's not there so
it's a different supposed to be a different floor.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Good question. I think the phone now, I feel like
the phone was gone, But I also well, if.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
The phone's gone, then at least they attempted to dress
it to look like it's a different place.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
But Turner came running out of his classroom.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Did we see that though, or do we just see
him come from off stage right?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
We don't necessarily he could be.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Up in a different floor and they're like doing there
and this is maybe Feene's office is there and the
boys bathroom is a different floor.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
But I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
If the telephone is not there, they did something to it. Okay,
maybe it is a forty floor tower the school.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's possible.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
It could be like the silo that new show on HBO,
which just they're all living in one hundred and twenty
high school exactly.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
All right.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Then we're in the school hallway slash Turner's classroom. Tapanga
is seen walking down the hallway and Corey follows behind
her with flowers. And if either one of you guys
say that any part of what happens next is not
very funny, I have a very big bone to pick
with you. Sean yells, no, it's so funny, and then

(27:13):
tackles Corey with the flowers. Corey asks if he's insane,
and he tells Sean he needs to find out what's
wrong with him and Topanga. Sean steals the flowers and
hands them off to a passing football jock, who smiles
and is pleased to receive this beautiful bouquets. It was
a great He gave a great look too, in great moment. YEP,

(27:33):
absolutely love it. Sean says he's been thinking ow thinking
cramp again, and the problem with Corey's relationship now is
that Topanga has all the power. Corey says, what power?
And Sean says the power you give up when you
tell someone you love them. It's in all the books.
Corey asks what books he's reading, and Sean says, men
are from Mars and women want to shoot Mars out
of the stink and sky.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Which I remember this lie, I remember this joke, but
I remember this specific joke.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
It was a hugely popular book.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, remember, I mean that was that was the book
that every every grown up was reading. It was such
a thing. This is ushering in the true Sean giving

(28:20):
horrible advice era, which.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It's a great, great character trait.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
To just have. And we do this.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think we do this for a huge chunk of
the show, like because I mean even like I was
thinking about the episode where we turn Phoene's place into a.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
B and E. It has that.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It has that same vibe of like Sean thinks everything's fine,
like just keep going, we just go with it, and
he gives the worst advice and you're just going, uh,
and Corey having like listening to him because he has
no one else to te to.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I do too. It's so great And part of what
makes it great is that the logic Sean uses to
back it up he so believes in it. The conviction
off it so wrong, and we all see it. We're
all like, oh no, oh no.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well I wonder actually, I mean there might for kids
watching it, there could be a level of like, oh,
maybe Sean's right, you know, which is great that that
that of course turns out to be horrible advice. But
I like that Sean is so I guess this is
a great use of dumb Sean. It's like he's dumb
or he's very smart in the worst possible ways. It's

(29:27):
like he's he's very sophisticated about his stupids. Yes, which
is great. I just love it.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, so Sean.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
And by the way, in case anybody's anybody watching is wondering, yes,
the blood drive is still going so big signs everywhere,
so just lot they try to get.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Ab negative is the universal recipient and to keep giving.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
I'm telling you that blood drive is still happening, so
don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Oh my gosh. Okay, Sean says the way Corey gets
his power b is by making Tapega come to him.
Corey says she's avoiding me, and Sean says that's because
she's busy making her whipped list, which is a list
of all the things she wants him to do, like
walks on the beach, go to the pottery barn, drinking
international coffees.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Do you try the Viennese stops A's like, it's so
it's you know.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's Corey as shot if he's tried the Viennese mocha,
and Sean says, oh no, it's already happening, and that
Corey needs to make a list of all the things
he wants to do.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
This is peak.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
This is where Corey lands as right, like that joke
is one of the first real like Cory has this
sort of like he's a little he's a little mann
who has simple pleasures and married from the time he's
a kid.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Wants to have we done that many.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
We haven't done that many jokes like this yet. So
this is a moment that it's really funny and Ben
nails it, of course, and this becomes this becomes one
of well things.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Very interesting is that this is the episode where Sean,
I mean, where Corey becomes Wendy.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
That's what we We'll get into all that in a
little bit, because that.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
All of a sudden, Corey has everything about everything he
didn't everything that was scared everyone about Wendy, Corey has
now and it just is like kind of like a
flip of the switch, and in some ways, like what
you just said, writer, it really lands. It's very funny
that now this new aspect of Corey is little old
man who enjoys antique shopping and Viennese coffee. And then

(31:31):
on the other hand, the stuff that I don't think
lands well is the we belong together.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Too.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, I know, the whole episode is like weirding I
Love you too back from Takanga.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's like, oh, who knows, he's known, he deserves it,
needs it right.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And you know what's funny, that did not bother me
all of a sudden, I kind of bought because I realized,
did we ever do a thing where it's like, who
are you weird girl? To Pang? The Lawrence never heard
of you? Like the audience met to Panga for the
first time.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
In that clear and what he and when he gives that.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
And you know what I don't like is in season
six when.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Exactly but I I like this dynamic because I you know,
of course, rolled my eyes at this notion of a
whipped list.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
But I like the dynamic that Ben kind of or Corey.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Kind of wants to be weird.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Please say, I like that.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's a great and I wish they had played that
out a little more, like a little bit, you know,
expanded this.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Idea of Corey being like, but I kind of like
going to The thing that's actually really great commentary is
Sean's like, no, she's going to want to do all
these half.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
To these things, and you're gonna have to do all
these dude things, and Corey is a little like that.
If we have shared interests, what if we what if
we enjoy some of these things together?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I wish that it more that even more, I wish
the episode leaned into that more, because that is ahysterical
dynamic that Sean assumes all guys want to be just
like him, and Corey being l I actually be in
a long term relationship.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Can also be a dark side to that too, though,
because what essentially you're looking at as a kid like
Corey who's grown up with a very stable relationship in
front of him with his mother and father and really
wants that, and you're looking at Sean who does not
have that example and like it doesn't get it at all,
So that's great at work on different layers.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Them have their their upsides. So yeah, you know. So
Corey says like antique shopping in yard sales, and then
Sean looks at him and he says, what I just
wanted to like my list. And then Eli comes out
of Poene's office and says, he just stole coffee. He
didn't kill anybody.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
That's my favorite line of the whole episode, the way
he said it, where it's just like I didn't I
didn't kill anyone kill he was.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
He's so beaten down. He's so beaten down by whatever
just happened in there.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
A couple of.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Turner says he is bummed because Eli have made a
great teacher. Eli doesn't understand why he doesn't like kids.
He doesn't have anything to say to kids and tell
he's trying to tell the truth about slumlords in Philly,
but that's what got him fired from producing the six
o'clock news, and Turner says that right there is what
would make him a great media arts teacher at John
Adams and Eli says, well, that'll never happen. After that's

(34:18):
session in Hell with mister mustache, and we get it again.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Guys, there he is behind you. At least they make
a joke of it.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yes, Phoene's in the doorway, and he overheard that little
session in hell line, which makes Eli ask Turner if
he's there all the time, which is really good, and
Phoenie says, I prefer mister Feenie. Eli asks haven't you
put me through enough today? And Phoenie says not nearly
and tells Eli he can start the job on Monday.
He says students can benefit from a teacher who has

(34:46):
actually lived his subject matter and congratulations. Phoene tells Eli
he reminds him of another young teacher who was once
filled with fire and fury, and Turner thinks he's talking
about him, but Phoene says, no, you ego maniac, I
mean me me.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
We missed my face.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I yank you not, thank you, Oh God, I die,
I yank you not. If there's not a more quintessential
Bill Daniels perfect delivery of Phoene.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I must have been I remember hearing it, but I must.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Have been around. I yank you. It was like I
yank you not. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
It's like the axailures.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Can I ask my question and I honestly don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
That's why I'm asking. I'm not posing this as anything.
I really don't know the answer. So one of you
might does the principal higher teachers?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think so, I.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Think there it's usually I just I'm going over this
with Indie school. It's actually a board. It's usually a
hiring board. So the principal is a big part of it.
They definitely way in but no, it's but this is
just for.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
TV, Like Phoenie gives the interview and decides that a
teacher who's never taught a day in his life, by
the way, which I don't have a problem with because
they kind of address it by saying, you lived it
so your students can live at your teaching media, Like
I understand that even though the man has never been
in the classroom in his life.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
I was just wondering.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I was like, do principles hire people? But they it
sounds like they're a big party.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
They don't do it. Yeah, right, I mean that's the cheat,
but they definitely have a huge you know, if not
the leading voice. I'm pretty sure that's part of Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I honestly just didn't know, so I was curious.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
We're in the school cafeteria. Corey enters telling Sean he
was right, and Sean responds in fluent French that when
it comes to affairs of the heart, I am king.
Corey asks where he learned French, and Sean says he's
an idiot savant. Didn't you know that? They breathe right
past that.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So this was before I was actually taking French in.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Really I assumed for sure it was that you were
taking French.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
No, I definitely remember learning this line, and I remember
David Colmes teaching me how to set it because he
obviously French and like worked with me on it. But
I remember remember being very awkward about it. But what
I started. I started taking Latin in high school after
Will my second.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Year after Will. Yes, so I I probably.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Was in my second year of Latin, and then I
moved to French in my junior year. So after this
I started working French. But yeah, this is this becomes
a running bit throughout. I remember I speak like three languages.
I speak Italian, you speak you speak Dutch. Yah, Yeah,
you see, I love it. But I love that I
remember that and not this one. I just I do

(37:31):
remember absolutely more, but I don't remember. I couldn't remember.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yeah, they also missed a huge joke here, I thought,
and I thought they could have done it later too.
When you speak French again, when you say I'm mean
an idiot's Evan, didn't you know that?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Ben should have said I knew half of which I
thought something along those lines. I thought.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I was like, here it comes, they're gonna do something
with that, and then nothing's an idiot at all.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
But I think that that's that's actually a good point.
Corey doesn't really judge Sean like Sean, and.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
He judges back for it later Sean if Eric.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Would have been like, but no, if anything, Corey, I
feel like Ben often would give me this, what are
you talking about?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
It?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
But he wouldn't call me out or in Interestingly.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
The thing he would think is Sean's cooler than me.
I don't know what he's talking about. He would think
it's on him. It would be it would become I
don't know, you have to teach me your ways.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, that's why I at the wedding when he when
you remember this, yeah, he's in six.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I hate to say it, but it is.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
When when it's it made such an impact when you
finally insulted each other because he turns to you and goes,
you too, trailer trash. Don't you remember that? And it's like, oh,
like they actually started yelling at each other, so you
know they.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Don't like this.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Whole time you thought that of me. Oh, that's what
I have already issues with season six.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
We're not even there, do you think.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
God, at least seventeen more years before.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
We were talking about, like Corey being obsessive and demanding.
I think that's all of.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Get Yes, that's gonna get bad.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Oh my god. So they breathe right past Sean being
an idiots of Avunt and Corey Showshan a note to
Penga left him that says she wants to talk, and
then to Penga comes right in to talk.

Speaker 7 (39:22):
I guess yes, I want to talk in thirty seconds.
In thirty seconds, Sean is thrilled and says he should
write about a book called Sean I Hardly Knew Yah
to Penga comes over and asks to talk to Corey alone.
She says this isn't easy for her, and he says, well,
relationships take a lot of work and planning and give
and take.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
She tells him they shouldn't see each other anymore, and
he wants to know if that's give or take. She
says it's over, kisses him on the cheek, swings her
glorious hair around, and walks out.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
So this was this is what I knew that I
am officially in PI meets.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
World viewing road.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
But all I could care about was that Dusty walked
out right as you broke up with him, like I
was at the back.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
To Bega is breaking up with.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Corey for the first time like legendary moment of boys World,
And all I could care about is, Oh, Dusty enters
exactly at.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
The moment that you break up. Love it. It's like
love it.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I'm so Pod Pod meets worlded out that that's all I.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, Dusty's entry, Dusty's the real star. I love it.
So she says it's over. She GISs him on the cheek,
She walks out, and terribly timed and clueless Sean comes
back and says, so, how does it feel to have
the power back? Then we're in mister Turner's classroom. Corey
doesn't get it. He thought he would be with Topanga forever.
Sean is shocked.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Of course, I know. Of course you thought you're gonna
be with when you're fourteen.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
This is the Wendy conversion factor that has not been
really no, and.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
They're rewriting history.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
You could go with the history you've created and still
make it off. Now, that's what I don't understand. You
didn't need the layer of creepy. You could have gone
with exactly what they had and still been great.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
So that's what I didn't understand. Why they needed just.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
You mean just being hurt. Oh, you mean the history, like.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
The history and the we're supposed to be together forever.
I mean, it's like, why couldn't they have Why couldn't
it have just been a normal You're my first girlfriend
and you were weird and now you're not, And I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's like, there's so much they could have done. The
truth is you are heartbroken.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's horrible, your first one, especially. There was no there
were no signs he could be blindsided. It was going
so well. We we've spent all of our time together.
We've always been on the same page. I know she
cares about me like that alone. It is it is
the way to Bang Handles. It is shocking. There's no explanation,
there's no setup, there's nothing.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
So there's an episode where they've been together like this
and all of a sudden he's lost his wife.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I think, well, I think what bothers us is not
so much that Corey feels that way, because that actually
speaks to the truth of being fourteen first, because I
was definitely that way. I guess the the danger is
at the entire show of Boy Meets World, and certainly
even you know, this episode reinforces Corey's worldview. In other words,

(42:12):
he's he's right, you know, like the point of Boy
Meet's World in a lot of ways, is that Corey's
right to believe in this fate system, that position that
this destiny of him and Tapanga, and that's dangerous. That's
a that's a dangerous world view to insert into. I mean,
let's let's face it, it's a fictional show, right, It's

(42:32):
all made up. You could have made up anything, and
and to have the made up world reinforce Corey's insistence
mind but he possession. Yeah, that's that's a bizarre that
that's not great. I don't love that about I.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, you're right, You're right, because it very easily could
have been. This is the first time in my life
I have felt like I am willing to do any
thing it takes to work it out with this person
on this person, come hell or high water. I want
to find a way to make it work. But I
can't do that if she won't tell me what she's
thinking or I can't you know, like, but instead this

(43:12):
idea that is just there underneath, that's that we belong
together without really any true foundation. No.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And then, of course this is what all the naysayers
in later seasons Amy of course are become every p
are wrong and they're the problem. Yeah, they're the problem.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
They're just obstacles, obstacles.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
To this destined love. Yeah, and that's yeah dangerous. I
don't And it's also it's one of those things. I
think one of the reasons.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
That I'm having so much trouble with it is something
that you and I agreed with, Danielle, and I think
writer you did not necessarily agree with, is that it
wasn't earned.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
In that first episode of season three, all of a
sudden they he'd been in love with her forever, and
it's like, where the hell did that come from?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I know?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
So now it's weird.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
The funny thing is with this episode, I did drop that.
I did go That first episode felt so unearned to me,
and I was bummed. But after when that episode ended
and they kissed and then this episode started, I was like,
they're together, They're they're okay, Like I dropped that in
that first episode, and then I didn't didn't carry it
to me. It was just okay, you're in this relationship,

(44:11):
you love each other. Fine, But this is the first
time we set up the Wendy premise for Corey and Topanga,
and I agree with writer's point that this would have
been the moment to set up a different worldview, that
you could still root for these these people to be
together and to make it work without the underlying idea

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being because it's destiny. Because I said, so, we're so
posted to yeah right, like so, yeah, that is a
little that's a little dangerous.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
So Sean is also shocked because he was wrong. He
didn't think that would ever happen, and Corey says, this
isn't about you, and Sean says, well, I'm wrong again.
I'll deal with my pain on my own time. And
we see Sean doing a little typical Corey it's all
about me. Move here, yeah, and Sean thinks there is
something he missed, so he wants to reenact with what
happened with Tapanga. Sean urges Corey to hold his hands

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and really reenact the date, and Sean says, come on,
there's no one around, so Corey begrudgingly holds his hands.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Oh my gosh, I just.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Love penis joke. Right, what are you talking about? Big hands?
That's a penis joke, isn't it. No, it's just I've
never held a guy's hands before. Held it's not it's
kind of the joke that you hear where it's like
if you've got big hands, so it's you going.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
It was like, it's such a funny. I just love
the commitment that Sean has.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Sean has I don't care what anybody thinks, we're gonna
we're gonna commit to that. And it's like he's so
not insecure about holding Corey's hands or you know, being
perceived as gay as not a problem.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I just love that me too, that you know, and
then just grabby Cory's hands and having that asside like Oh, well,
I've never felt a man's hands a boy's hands, and
that's all.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I didn't I didn't think about writer's penis joke. Well,
I agree, I love this joke. I also love that
I am not actually sure how much of this is
commitment to Sean helping Corey versus The setup was about
Sean committing to not being wrong again. So Sean is,
we have walked.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Through im because I must have been right.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
There's got to be some way that I'm going to
come out right on this.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
He does, because he's like he left out the most
important part.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Is exactly so Sean hold. Sean and Corey are holding hands,
and Corey tells Sean he loves them. Then they noticed
a group of kids, led by the jock we saw earlier,
who is still holding the flowers that Sean gave him.
He is incredibly hurt. He throws the flowers down and
walks away. And kudos and credit for a really nice

(46:59):
joke that lands, that goes through the episode and still
holds up today. So nice to see it. Applause, so funny,
so great, really love.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
It, perfect setup and pay off. Yeah it was, it was.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, and that extra wonderful.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I know perfect, nailed it, nailed it, didn't have a
line and nailed.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
It both times he was on camera. It was so good,
so great, so good.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Sean asks what he did after Tapanga said I love
you back, and Corey explains to Sean Topega never set
it back. John says, well, you left out the most
important part. Cory says, great, now you can help me,
and Sean says, oh no, it's over, yeah, which is
it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Sean notices Topanga is coming into class and tells Corey
not to show he's hurt, and he encourages Creed Corey
to start laughing with him. He does to Panga looks back.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I was like, what did I say while we're laughing?
I say something? So I went back and I turned
on the subtitles, coping that it would and you didn't
say any and it just says laughs. But I clearly
say something while you're walking past us. I say something
to Corey, like while I'm laughing, idea. I watched it
like five times. It's like, what did I say?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Oh that's funny. I thought you literally just went and
you gotta laugh to make like you did it.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Maybe that is, but I thought I was saying something
like oh, and then he said blood like giving the
punchline for a joke that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
You're right, yeah, I did not pick up on that.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Tepega looks back over her shoulder and she seems hurt.
He gives her a sad puppy dog look back. Turner
asks Sean who his best friend is and he says
you sir. So Turner asks Corey who his best friend
is and he says Sean. Turner wants to know what
do you do to people who mess with your best friend?
And Corey says kill him, and Turner says, you're all right,
little murder theme.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
You love the sure a thing that Ben does, which
is just a great actor moment, the kill him line. Yeah,
it's kind of intense, right, like the idea of like
but I love that he gives this little like shrug
like I know what you want me to say, so
I'll get get to you. And that is I feel
like that is that is a Ben choice. That is
a Ben actor, you know, because as it was written,

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he could have been and like, well I would kill
him or whatever. Then had a clear like added the
extra layer of like, well, I know what you want
me to say, mister Turner, so I'm going to say it,
which is, yeah, I'd kill him.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I mean, of course, obviously, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It was just a nice little like it took a
pressure off of what otherwise was kind of an intense
thing to say about you know.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Well.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
The thing I read into it, even more so than
I know what you want me to say, is an
understanding that they all that he already knows Turner feels
the same way. It's a shared understanding, right right, right right,
we know we are we are of the same, which
is exactly how he responds, You're all right?

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Uh that.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I like that part. It adds it's it's there also
because Turner does have a different relationship with Corey and Sean.
We haven't seen that relationship yet so much with Corey,
but we know that by extension of Sean having that
relationship with Turner, even though we haven't seen it yet,
Corey is also going to start having that little bit
of a different relationship with Turner because he's basically the

(49:56):
father figure in your life now.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I also like the thing about Ben's before that struck me.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
This episode especially was that it's very easy for a
child actor to quote unquote play depressed or sad when
the lines dictated yeah, and then when they don't, they
kind of forget that underlying cause.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And Ben the entire.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Episode, no matter what he was doing, had this kind
of subdued, depressed kind of right.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Well, you could tell that the running monologue in his
head was I'm heartbroken. I'm heartbroken, And it.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Was really good.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
It was very present in everything he was doing, so
no matter what was going on around him, no matter
what he was talking about, he still had that kind
of depression.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
It was really good.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, great, really great episode for Ben. I mean, they
so far, they really all are. But he then Turner
then introduces the class to his best friend Eli Williams,
who will be their new media arts teacher. Turner is
waiting for Eli to say something, but he just stands
there for a second before saying, now what Eli says?
He's there to teach everyone to find the truth in media,

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between what they say and what is real, and Turner
asks Sean what Eli just said, and Sean responds something
about Israel.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
That maybe laugh out something about Israel.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Would you, guys, if we had if I had asked
you before we watched this episode, remember what Eli taught Never?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
No? Never?

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I wonder if it ever comes back. It's such a
great subject to on a TV show. It's so perfect.
I'm I'm excited to see what our writers did with
it because I don't remember this at all. I do
not remember that he was a media Yeah, I have.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
To say I honestly, as awful as this sounds, I
don't think I can remember a single storyline that he
was in. Neither can I, because I don't think I
ever worked with him, like not once.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I assumed that he started season three as a teacher,
so to see that this was a storyline him becoming
a teacher is shocking to me already. So I thought
he was just another teacher at the school his friends
with Tony. I didn't realize that the friendship predated his job.
That's all news.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Like, I remember certain Tony things obviously because you have
it's with you and there's the big storyline there. But
with Eli, I'm I was racking my brain going like,
what else did he do when I can't remember?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Well, because it probably isn't great.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Or was it.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It's just they didn't know what they didn't know.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
This whole episode is to me an indication you don't
have how many teacher father figures do we that It's like,
now we're adding another wise man in Corey's life to
give advice. And when that scene hits in Chubby's I
was like, it's a great scene, but I was like,
I've seen this now with all you know, with Corey's dad,

(52:22):
with and now with Eli, I'm just too much.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Has so many finals.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Oh yeah, he's not in this episodes.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
But why couldn't he have this conversation with his dad
because they had introduced a new character.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I know, and by the way, is so good. But yes,
he's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
It's not about in a new character and playing on
the same old tropes that have already been established.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
It's too much.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Obviously he couldn't last after third season because it was
just too many characters doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, after you say something about Israel, we get the
longest reaction shot of writer ever.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
It was like did they cut a line and they
had to stay on your coverage. It was so weird.
So Eli talks about media not always being honest, and
then Corey stands up to talk about his experience with honesty,
clearly referencing his situation with Tapanga. And then he catches
himself when he looks over at Topanga and sees the difference.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Seat got a different seat.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
She can't be in front of Corey. She just broke
up with him.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
We'd never established that would never changed.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Does it stay like this for the rest I know?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Also?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Is this Eli's class or is this Turner's class?

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Now?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
This is Turner's class?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Turner thing, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yes, it's in the same spot, in the same hallway.
So Corey says, sorry, was that out loud? And then
we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Corey walks in thirty minutes
after dinner. She can tell Amy can tell that something
is wrong, and he decides to tell her because well,
she's gonna hear about it anyway. He tells Amy he
went too far with Topanga. She asks him how this happened,
and he says, well, she looked so pretty and we

(53:50):
were all alone in the back room at Chubby's, so
I just went for it. Amy is panicked and she
breaks the glass she's holding in her hand. It's a
very good bit, very good bit.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I wish I think the glass before she.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
She's called any white ceramic cup. It was like she
was already drinking glass. Yeah, or just because I didn't
even realize she had something in her hand until it
was broken. I know, I agree, but it's a very funny.
It's a very funny bit, very funny. Moment Corey realizes
what she's thinking, he stops himself to explain, no, that's
not what happened. He told her. He just told her

(54:23):
he loves her and she didn't feel the same way.
Just then, Eric and Christie walk in from a trip
to Pottery Barn, and she clearly has him on her
width list.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Storylines.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
This is I'm sorry, this is one episode of we've
seen this, after we've seen this, after we've seen this.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
That's what I had a problem with this episode.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
It was pottery barn.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Stuff was and I remember this beat. The reason I
remember this beat is because they actually used the take.
So the first first couple of times I walked in,
I just said pottery barn and it didn't get that
big a laugh. And this time I say pottery barn, nah,
and I hit the end and if you I go
pottery Barn and all of a sudden they got the
laugh and it was another indication of me.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
It's like, oh, it's not just the words, it's also
how you say.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Them, right.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
But it was just the same storyline again. I mean,
it's just yeah, this was not my favorite episode. Again,
I didn't hate it because I thought Ben's performance was great.
I thought Danielle's performance was great. I love seeing Alex
come on the show. Finally they get and they actually
introduce him. But as an actual episode, it's just not
very good.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, she wants to show them the ceramic cat they
bought it Pottery Barn, and he says later through gritted
teeth before they exit, she asks him to say it again,
and he tells her he loves her. Then he tells
Corey he's going to make him eat that ceramic cat
and wash it down with the napkin holders. And then
we're at Chubby's and this is one of the scenes
I remember very clearly because you wear clothes. I wear

(55:59):
your clothes.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Didn't remember it, and I did. I remembered it.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I can remember the feel of your clothes, and I
can remember that I wore actually like your clothes because
I could smell you. I was like, not bad. You
didn't sting. No, No, you didn't stink. Corey tells Sean
he misses Tapanga, and Sean says he has to let
it go. Corey says that everything reminds him of her,
and when we go back to Sean's face, he has
been replaced with Tapega, wearing his clothes and saying his

(56:23):
words in his voice. Corey, don't do this to yourself.
There is no Topanga, and I remember working this out
with you writer, like you saying it off camera and
you showing me how you were going to say it,
and me kind of imitating your face a little bit
at the end when I go there is no Topanga
and like, I do a little face at the end there.
I remember working it out with you.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I don't remember that at all.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, it was. I was like, oh my gosh, I
remember doing this. So you just said your line off
stage and I obviously mouthed it and it was. It
was really good. So Corey. We go back to Corey's
face and he says, you have no idea, and then
Tapanga's on and Sean is back. Sean says, everyone gets
dumped and Corey wants to know if he's ever been dumped.
Sean says, of course not.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I'm Sean before he leave, laugh, even though I've been
dumped on the show. Yes, clearly because I was trailer trash.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Right, but it was a whole storyline.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, very important.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Before he leaves, he drops one last anecdote in French,
saying it's better to have loved and lost than to
have never loved at all.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
And then I walk into the phone booth. Did you
notice they do really awkward talking.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I just walk to the.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Bathroom phone booth.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Air.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I disappeared because I couldn't go up the stairs because
they're coming down the stairs.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
So they clearly Kendall was over here. Just go out there, right.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Well, they also probably don't want you to abandon Corey.
You're probably not leaving Corey there. They probably were thinking like,
we we want to keep Sean around, so you just
have to make go make a phone call.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
No, I'm not, I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Because Eli sits down with Corey, they have to No, I.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Know you don't actually come back, but they probably character
wise are like, we don't want Sean to abandon Corey there,
so let's you can't go up the stairs. Let's just
keep you there. You're gonna go make a phone call,
and then you just don't worry about where he went.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
For me to go up the stairs, we probably tried it.
It got awkward out the ballroom.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Giant laugh would have been standing there as it's all awkward.
You get another dart in the button.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
You're like, how does this keep happening? That's the kind
of levity this show needed this episode.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Why weren't you writing? Okay?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
They didn't let me okay?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Corey asks what it means, and Sean says he just
speaks that he doesn't understand it, and then he exits,
apparently into the phone booth. Turner brings Eli into Chubby's,
even though Eli is confused about why they'd come here
because there are so many kids and I love how
much he does not like kids. I think it's just
think it's great.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
It's a teacher. Now, Yeah, it's great. I got man kid.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Turner says he likes to make himself available in case
anyone needs to talk, and Eli notices the weird kid
who freaked out on him in class aka Corey and
Turner suggests he goes up to him, and Eli says right.
Then he answers, juice, go talk to.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Mattrews, go talk to Matchews. I love this beat. I
love that. And then I have a fourteen year old friend.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
They we bond and I have myself a little fourteen
year old friends. So funny that was.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Me trying to actually be friends with Ali. Yeah, it's like,
what then we hang out and then that's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Turner leaves to go ask Chubby if he can order
takeout for Turner and Eli, and Eli takes an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Ask Chubby about you have to go to the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Well, he says, for your takeout walk the kids do
it for him. It's very weird. He's like, I'll see it, Chubby,
you'll do it because normal does.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
One of the greatest, the greatest moments in boy means
world history.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Oh no, oh wait, writer, you missed the joke. I
think he meant take out from another place.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah, no, he's got, he's got asked him to order
him food from somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I totally missed that.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because Eli says, is the food good here?
And he goes, He goes, He opens up the menu
and he goes, I'll go ask Chubby if we can order,
if we can order in. So basically he's like, no,
the food's not good here right well Chinese? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I thought they were getting takeout. He had to go
like talk to him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I was like, no, no, he's order from another place.
Uh okay. So Eli takes that opportunity to go ask
Corey if his freak out was just for the new guy.
Corey tells him about what happened with Tapanga, and he
says he's got nothing, no girl, and no jean jacket.
Eli says it sounds like Tapanga is hiding something and
that Corey needs to go out there and find the story.

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Eli says she might not come back to him, but
without the truth, he's got nothing and without his jacket.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
He's just cold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Turner overhears Eli giving Corey advice, and for Turner's benefit,
Eli yells after Corey and don't come back here, begging
for more advice. And of course, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
It's Tony Quinn.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Turner is proud hanging by the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Door in the most he just needs his helmet in
his other arm it's the most unnatural kind of like
I'm posing here just watching my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
It was the I caused it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Reynolds because it was so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
He doing mat you so looks like you're gonna be
a good teacher, like it was so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And here's where I think Eli gave great advice. You
don't know what the truth is. You have to get
to the bottom of the truth. You have to go
be honest and get to the story. And then Corey
somehow takes that and doesn't do either of those two
things really and and is a little aggressive breaking he

(01:01:39):
climbs in through Topega's window. So then we're into Pega's bedroom.
New settler.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yes, about all of this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay, okay, First of all, exterior to Peka's house.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Did you have silt that too? Pengas house is very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Well, very famous mouthier who makes guitars for all the famous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But it also is that a Philadelphia house. Didn't it
feel like a very la.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Like I don't know, I have any idea how much
you're gonna get for bringing do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I was looking at this house and I was it
just didn't feel right to me. I don't know how
you guys felt But I looked at that exterior and
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Like, you start complaining about exterior shots and how they.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Do not fit into the Canada boymans.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
World, you are going to be in a world of pain,
voted off this multiverse.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Okay, I want to know what people think. I looked
at that house and I was like, that feels out
of place to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
It does not feel It does not like strong, It did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Not be like the Panga and it did not feel
like Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Those are my two thoughts. It felt right, but southern
California like rich person's house. Southern California, rich person's house.
That's all that that's said to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I am fine believing that Topanga's family is a ridiculously
rich family, Okay, and you just would not know it
because because they don't, they present that way. And I
love all the hippie stuff that was in her room.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
A bunch of extensive notes on every.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Kay please, oh my gosh, all right, it sounds like
you've been waiting for an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Quilted everything, ye, very clearly. And by the way, I'm
listening all this stuff because I thought it was brilliant.
I thought that this room described a character perfectly, So
I just wanted to highlight how good set decoration is, yes,
how good the art department is, how detailed they are,
how much their eye you know they they have a
Puccini Opera poster.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, they have a Georgia O'Keefe poster. You have everything
quilted and mismatch, like that Boho style, Like there's not
a single color, it's all like perfect. You have a
seashell hanging ornament over the window.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I think there's dream prominently peace on Earth and recyclement side.
So you have this like nods to who she ultimately was.
You have a conserve poster. I had to like pose it.
And then what I think is the best part, you
have that collage magazine cutout thing, which it's the perfect
thing because that is like kind of typical preteen tween

(01:04:09):
girl thing mixed in with all the extra special to panganness.
And I just thought this describes this character so perfectly
in a what and it's like we've never seen this
set before, but we are comfortable in it, and I
loved it. I just love our art department. I'm so
proud of them for theirn to detail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
It's beautiful. It works perfectly, I think. Also I may
have thrown in a picture of my then boyfriend Jonathan
Taylor Thomas is in a collage.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
It was on the collage. Do people still cut on collages?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, yeah, no they do. Yeah yeah yeah. The magazine like,
who what kids are going to print things off the
internet to make your collages? Gotcha? So you you print
things and and now people will call them vision boards.
There are things aspirations, things you want do and and
now also you have digital inspiration boards or in collages,

(01:05:05):
which is been interest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, but there was something about that, you know, hanging
those pictures on the wall, like you see a lot
of people did it with my photo, like they still
had you on my wall. And that's what they usually mean,
is this right, is like they cut my face out
and among like ten other dudes or women that they
were looking at, they put them on their wall. And
it was just cool to see the tapanga, the attention

(01:05:27):
to details personal because also we haven't seen the Boys
bedroom that yet the season?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Have we not the season?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
But I don't feel like the Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It's not true. We did it in the officroom. You
guys came out with the shaving cream. Yeah, so we
haven't seen I it doesn't have a personality.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
It doesn't have it doesn't even right, like, it hasn't
grown with the ages of Eric and Corey. And I
guess it's just because once you establish a set with
the set with a parking meter, you gotta stick with it. Yeah,
they they're stuck with that. But to see this describing
to Panga's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Character perfect, I know che Chef's guess. Yeah, it was,
It really was. It's it's beautiful. And I remember again,
this was a big episode for me. So I remember
being in my room and feeling like, yes, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Remember it was wonderful. It's like it feels like kind
of secretive, like it's nighttime and it's just warmly lit inside.
It feels like it's candle lit, right, Like there's something
about it that feels candle lit. It's gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
I thought the room described Topanga a lot more than
the dialogue did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Frankly, yeah, yes, well, absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
The room was the work that the dialogue was not
because it was not a lot of it did not
sound like Topanga. It was like you were in Tapanga's room, right,
But it did not sound.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Because I also remember the wardrobe. I remember thinking, I
love the Tapanga. Where's these like plaid shorts with these
leggings under these turquoise leggings underneath, and and this is
this feels very much like who Tapanga is when she's
on her own.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
So he breaks, breaks and enters, comes through the window.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah where and he is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Now somehow he took from what Eli said, he has
taken a little bit of aggression. He's a little aggressive.
And he says, since they're done, he wants a couple
of things back, and she seems very taken aback by
the fact that he is there. And he takes his
jean jacket off the back of her door, and she
seems a little hurt that he wants it back, but
she also says, fine, take it and get out of here.
And he says he has more things he wants back,

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and she says she doesn't have anything else of his.
And and suddenly now there is clearity, aggressive, just energy,
and it hasn't been that way up until this point.
Corey is upset with Tapanga for blowing him off without
any explanation. Totally valid, totally valid. Corey is upset with
Tapanga for blowing him off without any explanation, which is

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totally valid, and Tapanga says she was scared.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
She asks in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Those feelings, owe him an explanation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
No, she doesn't breaks up with somebody. You have the
right to just break up you don't want to be so.
I also get going from where they were, which is
her saying in Chubbies, you know, going from from friends
to boyfriends.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
This was just going crazy transition.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Are you dumping you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I look at you too. I don't want to see
you anybody. I don't want to see you again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I don't think that gives you the right to break
into somebody's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
And nothing is way too intensely.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Breaking someone. We agree, Rider, you're not allowed to break
into somebody else, my client.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I mean, I remember feeling this way. I remember feeling
this way when I got dumped as a teenager. The
multiple times I got dumped, I was always heartbroken and
I always felt like I, you know, deserve an explanation
or deserve more of a relationship. And it was like
when I got older, especially like when my seventeen year
old girlfriend broke up with me and was like, no,
we're not talking, like that's it. And then when I

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got older.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I really appreciated that, Like that was so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Lovely and mature of her to just say no, writer,
I'm not because I think what happens when you break
up as a teenage you're as an adult. A lot
of people do this. They think that the person that
broke up with them can help them get over that person.
You want some closure, right, but but you But it's
when you actually say, like I, we're ending this relationship.
I don't want to be in anymore. It's best to

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just take a break, like to not talk to each
other for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
The queen of no contact. When you wake up with
somebody mud. Here's the thing, the the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
That shirt, it's just Danielle, like whether you're up cutting
a phone cord, just her cutting a phone card, unt.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
The call, black caller, God answer. It's part of the
reason though people also want answers for why you want
to break up with me, And and you pick up
on this as the person who's doing the breaking up
is that it's a manipulation tactic. It's tell me so
that I can muniiculated into talking you out of it.

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In this case, though I do understand why Corey is like,
the least you could do is explain to me where
the change happened, because she also pursued him into this relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
It's also really disrespectful to the person that you're supposed
to care about, like we're going to all of a sudden,
I'm just not going to tell you anything, We're not
going to talk about it, get away from me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
It's like, whoa wait a second. I mean, yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Deserves the wrong word, but it's like, do you not
respect me enough to at least say this change that
change whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
And me you go, okay, walk away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I mean, it's kind of wonderful thing to bring up
in school.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Yeah, right, exactly in the cafeteria right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Or you know what, even in her living room after
you've rang the doorbell.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
Exactly exactly exactly, you know, would you like the phone
and dial her number rotary phone and then figure out
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Absolutely so, uh, Tapenga says she was scared. She asks
him when these feelings happened and when he knew he
felt like that about her, and then Corey tells a
story about liking Topanga when they were six and they
were playing in his backyard catching fireflies.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Tapanga jumps in, also remembering the story and says that
Eric said Corey loves Topanga and Corey said, yeah, I
hate her.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
What do you get from this? What I mean is
why couldn't it be exactly the same thing? But saying,
you know when I knew that I loved you is
when you put me up against the locker and you
had my baseball hat on. Something that we've shown, why
does it have to now be this layer of No,
it was when we were six.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Years old, and the idea that's destiny that it started
I to be together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it's a it's it's like a it's a it's
a it's like a precept of Boy Meets World that
that Corey and to Panga were meant to be together.
And so we're establishing it now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
We didn't establish it in the first two seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So we're establishing it now and we just have to
accept that that's going to be a precept of the show,
like what isn't Yeah, we can't banging our heads against
the wall for the rest of this recap, does keep.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Remember what was going on in any of our writers
personal lives at this time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Must have been okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Somebody may have been going through something that somebody was
going through the storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Potential split up that then brought deciding not to split
up and stay together.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
So the other thing to keep in mind as you
are watching all art is that the person writing it
really can shape. Yes, they can influence with their own worldview,
can truly influence and change things in a way that
also suits the narrative they want for their own life.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Starry Night is what Van Goh saw. It doesn't necessarily
mean it's what everybody else would have seen as they
looked out. So it's like, yeah, that makes sense that
that also, it just is an unnecessary level where you've
got them. It's like, you know, second you pushed me
against the locker, I knew that's great, right, I mean, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's still unbelievable, but sure, at least then it's something
we've all participated exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
We're all in it, and it brings it right back
to that moment, and that's amazing, and I it's just
the rest was unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Well, Corey tells her, all I know is that you
and I belong together. Damn it. Corey tells her, all
I know is that you and I belong together. I've
always been able to talk to you and to make
you laugh, and I've always no.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
He hasn't, and I've always what I've always wanted to
make you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Ways they wanted to take.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Care of you, you know, because he's insulted her and
made fun of her the entire first episode.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
That she was in his life.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
No, this is right, No, No, it's that's the part
that bothered me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
It was like I always wanted it was like, what
the the point should be? I now feel this way
about you, I do love you, now, why does it
always have to rely on this like, oh it always
was the way it was supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yes, exactly, Yes, that's how I felt watching this. That's
the same kind of like none of this was necessary.
You're adding all this ridiculous fate stuff into what could
have been a very nice, very real, fourteen year old
relationship that does already have a beginning that we've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Yes, and it actually weakens the logic of love, right, Yes,
Because if the logic of if the point of Corey
too Panga working out and being together and getting married
at a young.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Age is gonna happen, right there has to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
It has to have been strained, it has to have
been tested by life. But instead it's like the argument
for it is, well, we just have to make it happen.
It just has to work because it's always supposed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
To, and that is weakens the love it should be
that we were making this work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Rejected Excel. Okay, now I guess I'll stick to it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Yes, and I guess, And I would argue also in
this world does and most fourteen year olds, most fourteen
year olds do get heartbroken. They they do get heartbroken,
they do fall into this trap. They do are devastated,
they do all this kind of stuff. But most of
them are also not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Like we're supposed to be together forever, right, that's not
a normal thing. No, So it's you know, it's very weird.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I was thinking of saying duty, duty, Yeah, just essentially
be slap appy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
At this point, he said this, this scene could be
edited and scored to be a thriller where he's trying
to kill her.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
It's like that stalker where he's like yelling through the
door row.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
What is that movie?

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Fear?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Fear, Yeah, fear, Yeah, it's that, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
It's one step from you're supposed to be with me
and not with anybody else right way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
And then Guddy is still upset. He says, I've always
always wanted to take care of you, and then he's
about to leave through the window and to Penga stops
him to ask is that what I love you means?
And he says, yeah, bye, get with it, lady, yeah,
And then she tells Corey she loves him too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
And I feel I just felt awful.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
I know I don't have any good I don't have
any good feeling about like no, no, because also I'm
not sure that is what love means, saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Bullied into saying I love you too. That's what this
episode is about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Love means is that you've made you make me laugh
and you want to take care of me, and I
guess I love you too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
It's way more superficial than I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I wonder if there was less aggression, because there's a
Corey comes in with a lot of aggression and a
lot of entitlement. If there was less aggression and less
entitlement and more vulnerability, even if the dialogue was exactly
the same, I wonder if we would feel we would

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still feel the same way that the idea of shaping
this love story as being destiny, and that Corey is
adamant that no matter what, this is the way it's
supposed to end up in anybody who's going to stop
me is going against destiny. We're always going to argue
with that premise. But I wonder if all of us
would have felt quite so icky if there was a
little if it was more vulnerable and more aggressive and

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less aggressive and take a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Place in her bedroom, like illed into the bedroom, demanded
the jacket back and been so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I would have felt okay with him crawling. I think
I could, even as a fourteen year old girl, putting
myself into the shoes of a fourteen year old girl,
romanticize the boy climbing into your window, the Romeo and
Juliet factor if he comes in. Like I have tried,
I've tried to stop thinking about you. My friend told
me that I should I should, that it was really sad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
But I want my jacket back. Let me, you know what,
I just want to take my jacket back, and like,
basically I want my self respect, so I'm going to go.
That would have been great, but instead it's very aggressively
like by if you don't understand love on the level
that I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
You know what, there's a few.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Things else I want. You have all my feelings about me,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Like it's really aggressive. So you know what's what's interesting
to me is and I know why they couldn't do this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
It's boy meets World. It's about Corey.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
The far more interesting story to me was about Tapanga,
who's who's raised in a hippie family, who her entire
life has been about feelings and now all of a sudden,
she can't. She doesn't know her feelings, she doesn't know
what's going on, and for the first time, it's like,
my whole life has been about feelings. I was raised
to feel everything, and now I don't know what the
hell to do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
That to me is such.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
An interesting story, right, And they didn't do any of that,
and so it just kind of and I get why
they couldn't. It's boy meets World. It's about Corey's journey.
I understand that, but man, I thought they missed the boat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
And then just made him really kind of sketchy. It
was weird, Yeah, weird.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Well, he says In response to her saying I love you,
he says, I was always hoping you did. And he leaves,
and we see Tapega sit on her bed and the
Jean jack it comes back in through the window and
she hugs it close and smiles.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Also the head of a teddy bear and part of
a puppy just thrown in through the window.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
For Love's so creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Then we're in the Matthews backyard. Eric says he and
Christy should rethink the whole I love you thing because
it's the death to any relationship. He says, to take
my little bro, Corey. He told his girlfriend to Panga
that he loved her, and sup up or in to
Beanga walk out, arm in arm, and Corey tells Eric
to tell mom and dad that he's walking to Banga home.
He's taking the long route. Flirty flirty. Eric asks Christy

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if she wants to go to pottery barn, and Christy says,
I love you Eric Matthews and Eric says, I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Christie didn't bother to learn her name. No, now, hold on,
I will say Will. If this was Will from season
five or six, this would have been ten times funnier. Oh,
I agree, you trying to say a last name.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
If they had just let you go crazy instead of
having a line and just said will, and you would
have just done it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
By season five or six, you would have just been
Christy said how about you, how's your movie?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
And you would have done your will thing for five
minutes and it would have been the funniest time ever
to just let you go. And instead they kind of
finish it pretty quickly and you sort of I was like, oh,
that's I was waiting for you to pull will.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
But you would have because you did it with Phoenie Calls,
right like what you did with Phoenie Calls.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
You would have done with this joke.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
They would have just written he doesn't know her last
name and makes sound and you would have been hysteric.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
It would have been funny.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
But I love that there now on several dates and
he still hasn't bother to learn her No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
What's hard hard to ask? It's a hard question. Well,
thank you all for joining us for this episode of
Pod Meets World. Our next episode recap will be season three,
episode four, He Said, She Said, which originally aired October twentieth,
nineteen ninety five. I have no memory of the episode,
but I do remember the name Okay, so that's something. Okay,
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