TGI – Episode 518 “If You Can’t Be with the One You Love…”

We’ve reached yet another historic milestone in the gang’s Boy Meets World rewatch: the first episode “banned” by the Disney Channel! It’s a polarizing storyline that has even Rider feeling uncomfortable almost 30 years later.

It’s another rare Will-less BMW, so he’s ready to share his take as a viewer and dive deep into the expected tropes of a “very special episode.” And how exactly did a young Rider Strong know how to act “drunk” anyway???

Get ready for some heavy drama and an ambitious take on underage drinking, on this episode of Pod Meets World!

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We have not done a con in a while.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
What a long time?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
What was our last convention?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Nineties con?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Nineties Cone?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Wow, eighteen laties. That's how long eighteen eighteen nineties. Check
out the new butt of chat.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Actually, oh my god, we should do that next time
we do a nineties con.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We should show up and have eighteen nineties in the
middle of nineties con. That would be nopular.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
People would like it would be good.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Would do like eighteen nineties version of like all the Night,
all of the nineteen nineties trends.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We'd just make of eighteen nineties that you can buy
all your laches right here.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, we okay, But we are doing another convention. We
are going to Twin Cities Comic Con in Minneapolis. We
will be there November eighth through the tenth. We will
be signing autographs, we will be taking pictures. We be
going dinners, We'll be going The three of us will

(01:18):
never stop talking the entire weekend I did. Will is
actually coming from somewhere else from home in Connecticut. So
Will and I are not traveling together, and writer and
I are on the same flight. And the very first
thing I said was I promise I won't talk to you.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I promise writer, I won't are going in either way
you can't talk, but I'm not listening.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Will.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm gonna miss you, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
It's gonna be It's gonna be fun. Twin Cities com
Con is gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So yeah, have you done this one before?

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Will?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I don't think I have done. I might have been,
I can't remember. But have you done?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Have you found a podcast studio for us like you
do in some places where we like?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right, we're going to go do some time like Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Man, No, I have not found I haven't looked. I've
been a little busy, but you know I should. I
should look into it.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Maybe we would mind if our loyal and dear listeners
maybe could send us some some restaurant, a restaurant, Oh,
could be great to check out some Minnesota food.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yes, we love food and we have to eat. That's
just the way it works, right, so.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
We do so you never know.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm over eating now. I think I'm gonna try that
for a while.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I got a shot. Yeah I think I got a shot.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So, yes, we will be at Twin Cities Comic Con
at the Minneapolis Convention Center November eighth through the tenth.
You can come by, you can meet us, take a
picture with us.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
We do Q and A.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
We will do a Q and A.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
It'll be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
It'll be fun to be with you guys again at
a con. I'm glad that the first con we're doing
in a while we're all doing together.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, yeah, which.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Exactly yes, me too. It'll be great to see you guys,
So please join us so we're not alone.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Somebody come and ask a question.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Please just raise your hand, ask something. You probably feel
like you know everything if you listen to the podcast
but hasn't even come up with someone.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Welcome to Pond Meets World.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm right or Strong, and I'm WILFORDO.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
So today we are recapping season five, episode eighteen, If
you Can't Be with the One You Love, which originally
aired March sixth, nineteen ninety eight. And I do want
to point out something I realized when putting this together
for this episode. Seeing March sixth made me think, okay, yeah, right,
because our last episode aired February twenty seventh, and then

(03:41):
I went back and I realized that aka Scream, and
then there was Shan, which we call Scream, and the
episode before that where Lauren comes back, the Lauren costume
episode aired on the same night they aired on February
twenty seventh, And that's at least what IMDBs says. But
I have a feeling there was that shake up we've

(04:03):
been talking about going on in the TGIF world where
like maybe a show had been canceled, was there for
a little while, and had then been canceled, And so
there was a like an hour long block of Boy
Meets World, a very bizarre, a very bizarre hour long
block where you have the very emotional Lauren coming back,
super dramatic episode, followed by the romp of all romps.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
So it was like the official breakup breakup, yes, and
then right into.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Sean that nightmare story.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
What a strange night of times, What a strange night
TV googled.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
So Family Matters left TGIF in ninety seven, Okay, so
they're probably trying to figure out what's going on and
what about that point where that's staple.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
So what about Teen Angel?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I think Teen Angel got canceled.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I think Teen Angel was like a half a mid
season replacement that then did half a season and then
was canceled.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, and I get something that I did not mean
to type in because I typed badly.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So I typed in.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Teen Angle ken no, no stop, I don't want to know. No,
it actually did pop up. The eighty nine was eighty
nine Disney sent Oh so there was a Disney Channel
series in eighty nine called teen Angel.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Wow, look at you with his weird stack.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's what came up when I, let's say, t g
I f canceled. Oh, okay, that's what we want to try.
Let's see uh huh your reading classes. It just says no,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I just can hold it far away, and it just says, yes,
the show Teen Angel was canceled.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Thanks, thanks so goodt Google the.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Chat GPT. I don't I don't want to sound like,
but chat GPT compared to Google. You'll get rid of
Google forever forever.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
We just lost Google as a sponsor. Thanks.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't think they were.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
The irony is I would seriously have to google chat
GPT it even though what it is, Oh, it is okay,
it's an app.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Always canceled and they have another half hour and they
plugged our show.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm telling you, if you try typing that into Google,
you're going to get some.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I'm going to what is Jensen chat GBT?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
So it's g GPT, GP GPT.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is there a reason they made it sound like a
designer drug? I came in, you got any GPT? I'm
on the GPT. I'm on GP two, bro, I got
what you need? What you need? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
What a stre I mean do you think they said, Okay,
we're putting these two episodes together to do an hour
long block and Michael or somebody who's like, there are
not two episodes that could be more diametrically opposed than
the two you want to put back to back that night.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I mean, seriously, they are in order. That is the
order that they were written, and so makes.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Sense as far as the breakup goes, like the wife
and I aren't together any more? Immediately after we can't
be together anymore?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Isn't this season five like it's just whiplash? Because then
we come into this episode and I'm like, what after
the stream episode you go this heavy like this? This
whole season has just been like this one episode of
the next I'm like, I don't know the tone of
this show.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I don't know what the tone of the show is.
I don't know what what what I'm.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Supposed to take really seriously and what I'm supposed to
kind of you know, because I mean think about like
in this episode in particular, you know, the Sean Jack relationship,
which comes in so heavy again after an episode where
he literally.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Kills himself, is threatening to kill himself because Eric, like what, no.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
No, he didn't even care about Eric.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
But he didn't even he.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Didn't remember he had a brother until Angela reminds him,
And now I don't really know him, really know her.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, let me let me explain. This synopsis says, in
an effort to numb his heartache and loosen up, Corey
steals a bottle of whiskey and shares it with Sean.
Trouble arises when Sean discovers he likes the alcohol a
little too much. This is one of the episodes that
Disney Channel decided not to air when they started running

(08:17):
the show in syndication. Huh So that's why, I think, because.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Anything with alcohol is just too old for audience.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Alcohol and also there was, in my opinion, although there
are consequences. They also do not shy away from show
and just how fun it is to be drunk we
have and the best nut of our lives. And of
course there are consequences, but it also to a certain
extent looks like, well, if I just don't get caught,
I'll have a fantastic night with my best friend.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
There's some domestic violence, and.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
There's domestic violence which also doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
A real sod. Disney Channel never aired this episode.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I don't think they do four, right, there's four never aired.
It is on Disney Plus and we know it's the
prom and I think so two from season.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Five, the Honeymoon. Maybe how does they have sex?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
I do know.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
We'll have to find out. Ever do it? Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, ye, I think the peg is naked in the
I appear naked.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, we have we have implied nudity under the under.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
The covers and he looks under like yay, don't you
remember all that? Oh my god, yeah, you blocked out rightfully?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So blocked out the Honeymoon episode?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yes it was. This episode was directed by Alan Myerson.
Alan is back after a brief leave of absence. It
was written by Gary H. Miller.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
This is Gary's first Boy Meets World episode.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
He's going to stick around through season seven and pen
a ton of very memorable scripts. Before Gary joined us,
he worked on a classic sitcoms like Bosom Buddies, Give
Me a Break, Fresh, Prince of bel Air, and a
Different World. And this episode is guest starring Vanessa Evigan
as Kimberly, my very first friend ever in middle school.

(10:14):
She starred in the show Social Studies in nineteen ninety
seven and also appeared on You Wish, The Young and
the Restless, How I Met Your Mother, and Norm She
is also she has a prior connection to Michael Jacobs
as her father. Greg Evigan starred in My Two Dads
opposite Paul Reiser, and then we have Mike Battier as transient.

(10:35):
He was seen on shows like Jag, The Bernie mac Show,
and Pepper Dennis.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes. I thought it was so funny.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I was like, I know this guy, yeah, but I
don't think we ever made the connection. Yeah, I don't
know if we actually worked together on Pepper dnnis. But
that's so funny because I was like, I definitely have
met this guy more than once.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
He was more recently on It's Always Sonny in Philadelphia
and three episodes of Breaking Bad, and then we have
Max Miller as Kid. He worked on three shows in
his career, A Different World, Fresh, Prince of bel Air, and.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Boy Meets World.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Not a bad nineties trifecta.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
If you ask me, pretty good. Pretty good.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
So Ryder touched a little bit on his overall thoughts,
but let's dive into them a little deeper before we
jump into our recap, writer, do you have anything else
you want to add other than that this was obviously
very heavy and an odd episode to come off of
scream from.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I don't know. This was hard for me to watch,
was it? Yeah? I didn't. I didn't love this episode.
This was yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
I mean, you know it's in some ways, I'm like,
it's it's admirable to take on something like drinking in
a kids sitcom like and I kind of love that
Boy Meets World didn't shy away from stuff like that.
I also love the part that you were sort of
pointing out that would have probably turned Disney Channel off.
I love that that drinking is actually good for Corey

(11:51):
at first, and yeah, fun because I think that that's
way more realistic to how drinking actually does get involved
in people's lives, especially as teenagers.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
But then yeah, the whole second half of the episode,
I was just like, what is happening this? This is
trying to be so hardcore and heavy and serious, and
it was just it was just too much.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It was just too heavy handed for me.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You felt like it was melodramatic.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Maybe okay, yeah, and you know, I just I was
just so uncomfortable. I was like, yeah, I just didn't
think it was good.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Sorry, Will. So I had another week where I got
to just watch it as a fan. It was it
was a tough watch. I think if you.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
If you harken it back to the after school specials
and very special episodes of the seventies and the eighties,
it was a little easier to watch. It felt like
a network note to me, like, hey, we need to
do a drink, you need to tackle drinking. And then
the problem is kind of what Rider touched on, when
you do anything like this in a show, especially a

(12:54):
show geared towards kids, is you can't actually show what
it's like to be drinking. Meaning they go to a
party in high school where nobody's drinking at all, and
Corey sneaks in one bottle of booze.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Okay, that's not real.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You go to a high school party, everybody, everybody's drinking,
So what you should what they should show, and what somebody,
if they were ballsy enough to do, which again nobody
did in the nineties, was And this is true because
especially now as somebody who's almost fifty or forty eight su.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Hates when I say I'm almost fifty.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
It is one of those things where you know, I
have a whole group of I won't say friends, but
kids I knew in high school that started drinking at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
and some of them pulled out of it. It was
totally fine, and some of them right away had a
problem with drinking. And I think that's one of the
things that needed to be shown. And I will get
into it as the episode goes, because I think they

(13:45):
were actually trying to write to it a little bit
at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But yeah, it was. It was just a melodramatic, very
special episode. I'm not a fan of.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Hey, there's been no indications that somebody has a problem
with anything, and then for twenty two minutes, you problem
and then.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You quit, like I I've always had a problem with that.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, yeah, but it's it's I get what they like
Ryder said, I get what they were trying to do.
I would have done it completely differently. Again, Matt Lawrence
is thrown in. There is no.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Real consequence for a lot of what goes on. Rusty
kills it. Obviously he's rusty and he's doing a great,
big performance. But it's yeah, it was. It was a
very special episode.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Of Boy betro Yeah it was. I really agree with
your note about wishing it had been a little more
realistic to see kids drinking at a party, because I
also think it's all The idea that bothered me the
most was that Corey hears from his best friend listen, man,
you're MOPy, And for then, someone who's never drank before,

(14:47):
he suddenly knows that if he steals alcohol and gets drunk,
it'll snap him out of being MOPI like, how does
he even know that? And also alcohol is a depressant,
so some time it would not help you do that.
It'll make you sadder and aggressive, as we see later
with Sean. I would have much rather Corey shows up

(15:10):
to the party like can determined to just will himself
out of mopiness. See somebody else who is having a
great time is like, you know, wow, you're having so
much fun. Yeah, man, it's the booze. Oh I'm gonna
do that. Let me do that and then have like
then I would be like, oh no. And that is
how it happens. You See, you're at a party, you

(15:31):
get a little peer pressure, you think you want to
try something, you do it, you have a great time.
I think that would have helped me a lot in
this instead of this idea that Corey is suddenly going
to steal this alcohol and like you said, is now
drinking alone in a bathroom and yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
All yeah, there are a lot of little fair And
how do you not then if.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
You're gonna show, if you're not going to do a
very special episode, how do you not show them super
hung over the next day? Like thee for the first time,
it was just the first time you did where it
was like, I mean, remember I remember the first time
I drank, Because I didn't drink again. That that was
the thing, is like I tried drinking because my friends
were doing it young. I had a fun time and

(16:12):
then an awful two days afterwards and then didn't drink
again until I was like twenty five. So it was,
you know, there's ways of showing it that aren't the
kind of melodramatic music in the background and all that
kind of it. Just it was in nineteen seventies, very special.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was twenty two minutes too. I mean, that's great,
Like the trying to cram all this in.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
I really, I mean, I actually think like if you
just took the first half of this episode, I mean
I didn't really think about the pure pressure Corey thing
because I actually I actually really liked that that that Corey,
because I think Corey drunk would probably lose some of
his neuroticism and his anxiety and like be more, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So I like the idea that he is like sort
of having the superpower.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
And then I also really like that Sean gets blamed
for it and all that stuff and like the the
but it then when I paused it and I was like, wait,
Sean doesn't have a problem yet. There's only like eight
minutes left in this episode. I remember, I was like,
don't like push Angela. I was like, is that really
all gonna fit in eight minutes? Like right, and it
was like, yeah, they're really are going to So it's

(17:16):
just shoe warning.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It into twenty two minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
It's like this could have been a movie, you know,
this could have been a drama film, and instead it's
like so I'm just not sure.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, it's it's just trying to be too much or
a problem.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
We see where, you know, three episodes ago, they have
a party, they start to drink, Corey decides to stop,
and we don't realize that Sean's been drinking for three
or four.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, it could have just been like a cliffhanger at
the end that you said Sean's sipping alcohol alone and
then you're.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Like, oh, exactly, like oh he still has a problem.
Like when Sean TLDs out Dons and his apartment, I
was like, what just a full blown alcoholic within Yeah,
no time at all. Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Geez.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Jumping into our recap, we start in John Adams High.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Seawan and Corey walk out of Poene's class and Sean complains,
there's forty two minutes of my life I'll never get back.
After talking about feudalism all period, Sean declares, I'm beyond board,
I'm angry, FYI, none of this plays into the episode.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
What is opening?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
How I'm wondering if this is what this is what
I meant by setting it up?

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Do you think by this he gets angry and slams
the kid against the locker that they're trying to show
that Sean has an underlying anger that alcohol would bring out.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
But is it angry?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
He like pushes the kid and then the kids like feudalism.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
He's like, yeah, man, they tried.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
To make it like air, but I think I think
it was setting it up.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think they were trying to make it because it
was It was probably a note that like, really, is
this guy gonna push his girlfriend?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And there's like, well what if he just kind of
pushes people? Let's just push somebody, And then they like
wrote this scene to sort of rationalize. That's why when
it's like but I don't even think, yeah, I'm it's.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So so weird. It's such a weird opening, and I
spent so much I couldn't. It took me like fifteen
minutes to even get past this because I was like, wait,
and so is this how does this was.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Just gonna Nope, it never comes back.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I guess if we look at it like, well, he's
a he's a pusher, then okay. He reacts by pushing
a random student against the lockers, and the boy asks feudalism.
Sean nods yes, the boy understands, patting Sean on the arm.
It's okay, congratulations on your sad credit, sir.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, awesome. I thought the same thing.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
They let him talk, They let him.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Talk talk yet then Topanga walks by conversing with a
friend who has a bandage on her nose, and she
doesn't even look their way. Corey stares longingly at her.
Have a nice weekend to Panga. She turns around and smiles.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I was so confused, bandage on the nose? It was like,
what what are we gonna acknowledge this? Because I don't
remember this at all?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
What does she?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I sure those what is there something wrong? Did she
get hurt? Why are we going to acknowledge this? And
then it was such a I don't know, it's like
such a weird thing. Such a weird thing.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Is Joseph a party?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
I know?

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Like, I guess it's kind of funny that, like she's
so open about getting a nose job, But like that
just is that something that people did?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like, were people not that those jobs they do?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Now? Yeah, I never knew anybody, and if they did,
they probably did it over the summer and came back
looking different.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You know, I've never heard it, and I don't know.
We all act like it's so normal. And I was like,
is this an I know thing? Is this something that
happens I know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So Corey pulls Sean closer.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
He's concerned. Did you hear how she said? You too, Corey?
I mean there was coldness there. Sean tries to convince
him he's wrong, but Corey isn't hearing it. Nonsense. I
could practically see her breath. Why isn't she suffering as
much as he is? Sean assures him that she's suffering too,
just in a way that Corey knows nothing about. Corey
asks feudalism, and just the sound of the word forces
a guy in a letterman jacket to push another kid

(21:01):
behind them into the lockers.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
So another I guess another he's a drinker's jock.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Sean shakes his head.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
No dignity she's handling this breakup with dignity while you
Norton are a train wreck.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
What is that a reference? It must be a yeah,
I think it's uh honeymooners.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yes, the Honeymooners.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Cly no idea what I was saying. I'm like, I rewound.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I was like, what did I say? Like some weird accent.
Was like, that's a line reading that I did not
want to give. You can tell too, I'm just half
assing it episode. I'm so miserable.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah no, this Ben's credits.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
He commits so well in this episode.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Ben is realtic in this episode very good.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Very good, and like I am not very good and
I was watching it. This is my first indication. I
was like, oh, writer is unhappy during this episode. And yeah,
in retrospect, I'm like, yeah, I probably should have been
uhavy because this is not well written.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Like I don't not want to be doing this episode.
This is none of this is real, None of them
is real.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
One of my biggest takeaways so far of the entire
rewatch of our series is I had forgotten how good Bennett.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
He's just really good.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
You know the drama, the common and I can think
you nailed it writers. He always committed to whatever it was.
It was on the page and shows.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
He's just he's damn good because the material here is
not great, and he's very he plays a very good drunk.
He does very good at it.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
He's good at that.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
And I don't think Bennett ever had a super alcohol
when we did talking about it, Yeah, because I had.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I had tried alcohol right around this it.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I was probably seventeen the first time I tried alcohol,
so it's probably right right before this or whatever. But
I remember Ben and I talking about like, how do
you play drunk, and like having conversations about it, and
he nails it.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's so good at it.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Did people talk Do you remember people talking to you
about it?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Like having to remember, Well, I remember Alan and Michael
when we were doing the exterior scene telling I guess
they were telling us to do less, because I remember
having a whole conversation about like how do we play drunk?
Da And I just remember Michael going, I'm drunk right now,
I'm drunk right now, and we were like what and
he was, you know, his his point was, you don't

(23:21):
have to play it, you don't have to do anything.
And but I'll never I'll never forget his face, like yeah,
I'm drunk right now? How do you how can you tell?
And we were like, oh, I guess okay, you know,
but Ben, I thought Ben did a great job.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So you weren't bad in this episode. Either you make
it terrible. Second, I am not committed.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I feel like the second half of this episode I
am confused as to like is it supposed to be
you know, because like when it's supposed to be kind
of funny that Corey's drunk, I feel like that was
fun to play, and like Ben had intentions, but like
when Shawn is just a completely different character, I'm like, wait,
you in the classroom it seemed fine because it's like
being like a more extreme version of like roof off Sean,

(24:01):
Like that makes sense, but like turning on Angela yelling
at Corey yelling at Yeah, It's like, you know, that's
the kind of thing that people do after years of drinking,
do you know what I mean? Like people turn into
like or they're just so erratic and intense, but like
it's somewhere in between. Like the way it's written is
like Sean's being erratic but then also kind of being

(24:22):
emotional and sentimental.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I don't know, it's just like there are people though
that are just even from the jump, are just angry drunks.
I guess well, it's the first, the second time you've
ever had a drink and you just want to fight.
It's like, wait, what, there's just there are some people
that are just but Sean in the first scene is.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Like having a good time and like doing handstands and
like peeing on cop cars and just like fun loving,
And then in that second half it's like he's as
if it's as if he's.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like a forty five year old alcoholic who's.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Like I can't stop, but I gotta keep doing this,
And it's like, I don't think that's realistic for somebody
who's no.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
To your point, you didn't actually experience any consequences. Your
parents aren't to get mad at you. So like you
tried to take the fall for Corey and it didn't work.
You ended up walking away. You were because the way
you play the last scene, which is probably exactly what
they wanted from you, which is you're the ones who
aren't having fun.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
I am hello, is this thing on?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
If everyone else around you wasn't going this is a problem,
you actually would have been fine.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, you were bad in Phoenie's class, but that,
like you said, was good. You were just a really
heightened version of what Sean would have been saying under
his breath. He was saying out loud. So it is
very different.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You were.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
You had a bunch of people around you telling you
that what you were doing was unacceptable, even though you
hadn't faced any consequences yourself.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
You don't even lose your girlfriend after assaulting her.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I mean, it's I she says, call me when you don't,
and then you decide that day, by the way, that
really we'll talk about it later. But you then quit
that day, which is still the same day you had
been drinking.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
You leave her.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
All those met we're all in the same close. It's
very weird.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
We'll talk about it when we get there.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
But the timing again, sometimes I'm not sure why we
didn't just change clothes and make it another day like
that seems like an easy thing to adjust in a script.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
In a week, and Sean's been drinking the whole time,
her clostantly.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Or you called what from the moment she leaves and says,
call me when you don't.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's a Friday night, and you call her all weekend
and she's not ready to take your calls until you
see her Monday morning. It's something would have helped that.
But Sean reminds Corey that he has burst into tears
every three two one on que Corey's voice breaks, stop exaggerating,
He plops onto the couch and his eyes well up
with tears. Sean notices Corey's handkerchief in his back pocket.

(26:41):
Who carries these things around? What did you do dig
up your grandfather and pick his pocket? Another weird thing
that you had to pull it out of his back
pocket when he sits down to cry, Why didn't he
pull it out and start using it?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I had no idea what it was.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And then the camera I had to rewind it.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I had to rewind it and watched Ben PLoP on
the couch. And then when he plopped on the couch,
I looked for it in his back pocket and saw it,
but only because I looked for it.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
So this it's interesting too, Like part of the issue
is there's something about sitcom dialogue and sitcom expression that
is already kind of like a drunk person, do you
know what I mean? Like the erratic nature of Sean
being like yelling at Cory about his handkerchief is not
that different from Sean grabbing the mic or and saying
it's this thing on right, So it's like you kind of.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Have to go even further.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
And it's like and I remember being very uncomfortable, like
I don't know how to do this, like and you know,
and I'm realizing now it's like right, because how Sean
and Corey talk to each other is kind of like
two drunks on normal basis, Like you know, it's like
so that, like the tone is just it's hard. It's
really hard to do this tonally and and to have
it be funny sometimes erratic in a like ridiculous character way,

(27:54):
or like this character, this person's acting out of character.
It's like, you know, I don't know if that out
of character when he's drunk.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
No, especially not like you said when it happens in
the last eight minutes of the show. And by the way,
an excellent thing to have in a show where Jack
says to you, listen, man, I know you think it's
real fun right now, but I just want you to
know we we we have a dad that had a
real problem with this, and so you got to keep
your eye on it because for all you know, you

(28:23):
could have it too, and then for you to wait
and see that develop even in just a few days,
if you know where then if something does have not
within minutes, and then also I quit all within it's
such a such a journey to have to go on
in such a short amount of time.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
I also wish, and I know why they can't do this,
but I also wish it wasn't Corey going we've decided
never to drink, we're not drinking.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's so much easier to just be like, we're not
ready for this yet.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, we're not.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
You know, there's because saying like you can never have
a drink in your life, that's what you can't ever
It's like, okay, that's ridiculous, but you can't say we're
too young to handle.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
This right now. This is we're not ready for this.
That's that I mean line.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
And the real I mean, the real problem that I
see is like it's actually a disservice to people, like
the real issue with drinking, which is that often it's sneakier,
it's weirder, it's slower, and you like it slowly takes
over people's lives in a way that you're like, wait,
that person has been drinking like every weekend for the
last you know whatever, and that's when you realize, So

(29:25):
to like condense it is actually it's actually like to
oversimplify the issue in a way that I mean, but
the counter argument from making in my own head is
that it's for children, right, And for children you just
want to see that drinking is bad, stay away from
it for as long as you can to it when
you're older. But to try and like cram like an
entire alcoholic journey and sobriety journey into twenty two minutes

(29:50):
is like, that's not ever what it actually is, Like,
you know, that's never what how it happens in real life.
And so in a weird way, it's it's hurting the
issue that it's trying to address.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, you're right, Corey whimpers. It's Grandpa Poppy. He always
had seeds in his teeth and that's why we call
him Poppy. He continues to cry, and Sean's had enough.
You're depressing to be around, and that's why you're not
invited to Kimberly Sussman's party tonight. Corey shocked he didn't
know Kimberly Susman was having a party. Sean says the
party is to celebrate her new nose, like the whole

(30:20):
world is going. Corey can't believe it. I'm sure if
I wasn't invited, it's probably due to some tremendous oversight.
Sean asks, does seven thirty sharp and whatever you do,
don't tell Corey sound like an oversight. The words out
on you, man. Nobody wants to be around Corey the downer.
Corey frowns and Sean counts down three two one. The
tears start again, and Corey asks Sean, including you. Sean

(30:43):
admits he's getting there and walks away. Corey shouts after him,
you think I like myself like this?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I don't blame everyone for not wanting to be around me.
He plops back down on the couch. I don't want
to be around me either, and we get dramatic music
as he shakes his head.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm done with me, And that's when the kids should
have sat down and said, you know, you should try
the kids that are pushing the locker give him another line,
Give a bottle.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Of some and some GPT it's the good stuff, my friend.
You right up.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
And then we are at Kimberly Sussman's party. The house
is filled with kids for the New Nose party. The
woman of the Hour, Kimberly asks Angela, now that you're
going out with Sean, does this mean I can't dance
with him tonight? Angela responds, you can dance with them
all you want, Kimberly, but he'll be going home with me.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Woo love that.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
By the way, was this just I guess they're back together?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, yes, they're apparently in love and have been all
the time. What are we thinking? Was this just the
Matthews living room completely and totally redressed?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
No?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Sure, yeah, because I remember where it was on the set.
It was it was it was to the left of
the audience, facing facing the same direction as.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
The aud It was that that swing area, because especially
when Corey is later telling the story about and he
was tied to the thing, it looked like the playing
late portrait right over the right, look.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Like it's so funny. They give each other a patented
girl to girl fake laugh. We see Corey jovially walking
into the house.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I can we just go back to the nose thing.
For a second, is it a joke? I mean, I don't,
I honestly am.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think I think it is funny. I think it's
supposed to be. I think it's supposed to set up
a little bit of telling us everything we need to
know about this character who later wants to dance with
Sean and also wants to go after Corey. That this
is a person who's vain and is throwing a party
to celebrate her own nose, and in a way it's
supposed to make us vilify her like she's I think

(32:41):
I think it's a I think it's a joke and
also a setup for we don't like her.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I guess I just wanted a laugh, like when I say,
like her new nose, or something like a real joke
like oh she did that too, or you know, like
some like back and forth to say, like this is
supposed to be funny, and instead it's like played as
if this is something that everybody he knows and does,
And I'm like, is it this? It's just tonally again
tone like I just don't. I didn't know where to

(33:06):
land as you were, I was like, am I supposed
to feel sorry for this girl?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
For some reason or yeah, yeah, but you're right, I
can see it now like we're supposed.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
It's just a lot of like one of you, either
you or Corey, should have said something like, man, I
hope it's a better party than when she had her
teeth capped.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Perfect like something like that.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
She keeps like she she keeps doing this and this
is like everyone knows this about Sussfering.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Right, She's whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah. Kimberly immediately runs up to Corey in a panic.
She not so subtly asks what are you doing here?
Corey jokes, I'm crashing. I'm crashing the party. Kimberly's unamused.
She tells him to get out. Corey smirks, you know
who you look like, Bridget Fonda. Kimberly's cold look breaks
into a big smile. She playfully says get out now
with a new meaning and lets out a flattered giggle.

(33:49):
Corey assures her he's being serious. Your old knows it
was fine, but now it's le femi kita baby. Kimberly's
changed her tune and walks Corey into the party. As
long as you're here, why don't you stay? She adds,
I think to pangas coming. Corey slyly asks who. I'm sorry,
but right now I can't see anybody past Kimberly Sessman Fonda.
She gives him a flirty little nudge and he bumps

(34:11):
into the door and closes it. She walks off.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Corey pops mementos.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I did you Is he already drinking?

Speaker 5 (34:20):
What is that? He is?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
He is supposed to be. I was like I thought
he was.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
He like pops amentos multiple times, which was a big thing.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So legendary. God.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
So then we have a little time lapse at Kimberly's party.
We've got some rare continuity as Corey, surrounded by interested classmates,
shares the story of Sean getting kidnapped by his ex girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
No charges were brought.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And Sean or they're laughing about it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, remember they killed a kid. Like three days later.
They found a body in the boat just a couple
of days later.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I had to save his butt because I have a
way with women, as you can probably tell by the
fact that I've never been more available in my life.
Tickets go on sale at the box office, and we
also have a large punch bowl covering Trina's baby bump here.
I actually thought when I saw it, oh great, here's

(35:36):
where he gets the alcohol that's spiked punch and it's
gonna be Nope, it's.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Just to hide Trina's baby.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
She's always like behind a plant or something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
She's got books she's in the group lets out a
laugh before dispersing. Sean Pleafley asks Corey, who are you
and what have you done with Corey the mope. Corey
enthusiastically responds, Shanny, it's me now, If you'll excuse me,
Corey's got that roof thing going. He breaks into a
little dance move.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Corey is having a.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Ball, and then we hear Tapanga, who has a very
tiny handbag, call out his name.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Okay, yeah, no, I noticed it too.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
It's like and the way you're holding it so prominently,
do you think that was like something you wanted to
show off?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You were like, I doubt Danielle being like, oh I
like this bag with the bag, some some bacting bag bag.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I have a jacket on, so you never know.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's it could be terrible jacketed because.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I can't have one on. I can't do this jacket
give me.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Can just give me something, just holding it like this.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
It's like your squirrel.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's a little hardback too.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Dorms absolutely adorable. She calls out Corey's name. His expression
immediately changes. Hey, the ex other half of my heart
and soul. She gives him a sympathetic smile. Corey asks,
how's the family. He starts to dance again, and Pega
is confused, you look uh, not very cool. Corey keeps dancing.
That's what he's going for, He explains, they told me

(37:06):
to relax and have a good time, so that's what
I'm trying to do to Pega reveals she won't be
staying very long, and Corey fakes joyous indifference.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Stay as long as you like.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
To Pega seems shocked and walks over to Angela and Kimberly.
Angela sees, to Pega's expression, he's been like this since
he got here. I got to say, he's the life
of the party. To Pegs out a loss for words,
and Kimberly asks, are you and Corey officially broken up?
Because I think he's really cute. To Pega says, Corey's
free to do broken aggressive.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Woman's gotta swoop, Yeah, everywhere, just like all over.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Of course, right.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
It goes from get out, give her a little bridge
of fond to compliment, compliment her, and to to the basement.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Seven minutes in heaven, let's.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Go to Penga excuses herself and heads for the door.
She passes Corey, who's dancing with two other girls and
appears to have not a care in the world. Now
alone with Angela, kimberly announces sounds like a yes to me.
She takes a step in Corey's direction, but Angela stops her.
You make one move on my best friend's man, and
that new nose is going to look like your old
nice okay, And again, I love that Angela has a

(38:16):
personality and a POV. And we saw this a little
bit in this the Lauren scene with Topega and Corey
or Topega and Angela.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
In the school hallway. It's it's really nice.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
She's great. Also, Trita's great. Give her something to do,
she's great.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So me see, I look at this and I was like,
I want more, Like this is not enough, but I
mean it was.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
It felt so like inserted in in a way that
I'm like, come on, just give you know, going back
to give to Panga and Angela a scene.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Talk to each other, look at each other, acknowledge.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
You have to become an alcoholic.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
We got boys to focus on the boys' issues, my
age men, shees, to focus.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
You wouldn't have pasted the becktail test because they would
have been talking about Corey.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Right. Oh yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
We get another fake girl to girl.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Laugh.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
As Kimberly walks away, rolling her eyes, Angela gives her
some sassy snaps, continuing to watch her with caution, and
then we're in Kimberly's bathroom. Corey is staring at his
reflection in the mirror and rehearsing, Hey, I didn't know
you were going to be here, but since you're the
most exciting person here, I propose a toast to us.
And I didn't know if he was rehearsing to have
a conversation with someone else or is he talking to himself.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I think he's talking to himself. He's talking to himself. Yeah,
he's like he hammered. Yes, and there's less than half
an inch of a pint.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I will say that.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
When you're a kid and you have never had alcohol, no.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Looks like it's at least two shots that's gone, because
so I did, because I thought the same thing.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I was like, he's barely drink.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
And then I was like, well you think when you're
a teenager man, you just have a I mean, heins.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
He takes with pin in his pocket for people to
just carry around.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And that's why I'm saying, why does Alan have pints?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I mean he was in the navy.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah, it's true, but Navy men aren't gonna have pints.
I'm telling you, yeah, They're gonna have a flask. I
would have given Corey a flask.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It should have.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
He should have happen.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Then you wouldn't have known how much was gone. Yeah,
you wouldn't have known how much he had to drink.
It would have been more about just I'm hitting off
a flask. I filled it up from my dad's, you know,
from the bottle in my in the cabinet, as opposed
to just yeah, that was that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, Corey proceeds to take a swig from a bottle
of alcohol, and this is where we get the very
serious nineties sitcom outro music into a commercial.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Do you guys want to hear the most disgusting. The
first time I ever tried alcohol, it was the most
disgusting thing in the world. It was very, very similar
to this.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Actually, now that it's think about it, I had a
friend who decided to siphon whiskey from his dad's liquor cabinet,
but he didn't want to take too much. I wanted
to come behind the whisky and filled something I don't
know what it was, like a water bottle or I
don't think it was a flask. And yeah, sure enough,
I remember like drinking somebody being like, this is the

(41:22):
most disgusting and it was like it probably was.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Like it wasn't just that alcohol is gross when you're seventeen.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
It was that it was the combination of like a
Scotch another whisky, Like it was, oh my god, Like, yeah,
I can't believe I ever touched alcohol.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Again, Like I probably I shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Just hearing you talk about it is like, I'm so
glad I don't ever have to taste alcohol ever again
for the rest of my life. Just sounds soul.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So we're back at Kimberly's party. We're still in the bathroom,
Corey's feeling the buzz and there's a knock at the door.
It's Sean. Corey looks at his reflection and adds, it's Sean,
my sidekick. He throws another mentos in his mouth and
opens the door. Sean tells Corey he's been in there
for like an hour and a half, an hour and
a half.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
This one shot of whiskey he had before he got
to the party would have worn off by now.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
There an hour and a half. Talking to himself in
the river seriously.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Corey wonders, are they asking for me?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Sean breaks the news to Panga left by the way
to peng A left an hour and a half ago.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
She left yesterday.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Corey drunkenly responds, she did. That's too bad. I was
going to dance with her. He shows off some dance
moves to prove it. Sean notices the bottle of liquor
on the counter and asks Corey.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
If it's his.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Corey slurs, this was given to me when I stole
it from my father. He asks Sean if he wants them.
Sean is shocked, Wait a minute, Corey is the one
holding the bottle. What's wrong with this picture? And then
you end up admitting that you've never drank. So I
was just like, why would you act like you'd be
the one with the bottle.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
This is a boy meets world self awareness. That just
doesn't it's not it doesn't make any sense, like human
being said that. Don't say like I'm the bad kid,
I'm the sidekick. He literally calls me a sidekick, and
then I say, well, I'm the bad troublemaker kid, troubled
young man.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I know, and I should be the one holding the
bottle of It's like, what who talks? It's that weird.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
You're like compassionate dad, Alan, I'm a bad kid, right.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's literally the way we talk to each other on
the show. It's soupers oll.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Corey explains, because you said no one wants to be
around Corey the downer, so now I'm not Corey the Downer.
Sean retorts, I told you to have fun, not put
away a pint of whiskey. Corey assures him he is
having a good time and he wants Sean to have
a good time too. He again offers Shawn a swig.
Sean shakes his head. I don't need that, but then
he wonders, what's it taste like? Corey laughs, it's the
foul's tasting stuff I've ever had.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Here.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
He gives it to Shon to taste. Sean sniff's it
in his face sours. Why would you want to do this,
Corey explains, because your goodie goody friend did it, and
you will be able to live with yourself unless you
do it too.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I mean, wait, why would I do this?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Because you're good and good for him?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Now it's it's I mean I remember I truly had
a hard time with real dialogue, like regular dialogue after this.
Like I remember moving on to other projects at like
nineteen or twenty and being like, oh, people, people don't
just expositionally talk about this part the time.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Why are we not just describing what we're going through,
like vomiting out.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
This subconsciousness subjects?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It would just be text. There's just a sting of subject.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
It's just text, really, I mean like that it's a
And it was so weird to go back to Girl
Meets World after not acting and to see it again
and be like, you're like, oh, I can actually do
this and this it's a weird skill that I feel
like we all Mastered on Body's World, which is like,
how do you deliver expositional self awareness in a way
that still kind of sounds natural? And we got really

(44:56):
good at it, Like we pull it off barely, but
like when you actually read the it's like this, yeah,
it's so that's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Sean says, I'm not going to fall for that peer
pressure crap right as he takes a swig from the bottle. Exactly,
his expression turns to peer disgusted. Corey admires the bottle
and laughs, yet such a small price to pay for
its magical powers. Corey takes another gulp and Sean follows suit.
Right after they're grossed out by each sip, but they
don't stop taking turns hitting the sauce over and over again. Reacting,

(45:27):
Corey admits, you know, I just can't understand why they
don't sell this stuff to kids. Okay, then we are
on the streets of Philadelphia. Corey and Sean are strolling
down the street, and again I thought, where's Angela. Angela said,
you guys were going home together. You just abandoned her,

(45:49):
and there's no like, just no more mention of her.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
There's also no one else on the Street.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
No, no at all, very cold.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Get it. Get an extra are two to walk past you.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
You're on New York Street where they shoot Seinfeld one
or two people walking by?

Speaker 6 (46:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Actually it wasn't New York Street. It was no.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
We shot this on another part of CBS Radford. It
was around it was. Yeah, it's a different section of
I remember where. It wasn't a lot, it's more like
the suburban area.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I know where it is in my mind on the
on the st.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
But it wasn't New York Street because I remember it
being like and I think it's because we didn't have
a corner on New York Street and this they wanted
a corner for the car to pull up. I don't
know for some reason, because if you think about that,
one street goes fast Liquor store or whatever that store is,
and that wouldn't have been New York Street because New
York Street was just you know, one street.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Basically, they had the one corner.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
At the very end of New York Street where there
was the garage on the side, but that was all
down the other side, right, Yeah, But it was as
you walk by, you walk by one place where there's
like a mechanical thing in the window. Did you notice
that there's like a big robot thing behind you? Guys
in the window doing this as you're going. It was
like a full storefront.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
It looks cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Interesting. I did not notice that this will forever be
remembered as the night we peed on a police car.
The audience lets out a big laugh. This time the
inmates feel seen. Corey admits, I normally can't go when
another guy is standing right next to me. Sean can't
believe it was such a perfect target. He figures that's
why they put those numbers on the roof. Corey raises
a toast to squad car seventy two wherever they.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Are, So they were standing on they climbed on top
of the squad car to pee on top of the
squad car.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Or what I somehow envisioned is that they were on
a ledge or something above and they were peeking from something.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Onto the squad fire escape or something.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yes, exactly like a fire escape, and they peed down
onto the.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Car outside of her apartment.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, maybe that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, so that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
He takes a huge sip of the alcohol, But Sean
takes it from him. Don't finish at all. Sean downs
it until the bottle is empty.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Now we would be wasted if we split up alcohol.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Oh my god, you're just drinking. It's you're just doing shots.
I know, it's not like you're even mixing it with anything.
So yeah, every time we.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Talk about it, I get full.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Bobby chells.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
The first time.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I know I'm ready for right now. Yet let's go.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh god.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
He tells Corey the party is over and throws the
bottle across the street, landing with a crash after what
feels like a two minute airtime.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yes, did you did you really break the bottle or
did you throw it to somebody and they put them? Yeah,
it was I think it was at bottle too.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, Corey is disappointed. He was planning on putting flowers
in that bottle to present to our manga as a
token of his steam. Sean bursts out with laughter. Corey
just called her our manga. Corey corrects him, No, not
our manga, my manga. They are erupt into laughter. Now,
standing outside of a corner store, a man who I
think is meant to look a little haggard, walks out

(48:59):
tearing up a lot of ticket. Corey asks, no luck, huh.
The man shrugs, no, those things never pay off. Sean
laughs and points out the obvious wild Then why do
you play? The guy sarcastically responds, I like losing. Corey
holds up a ten dollars bill and asks, how would
you like to lose five more times? The man tells
him five lottery tickets are only five bucks. Corey lays
out the plan. You buy yourself FI lottery tickets and

(49:20):
you buy us a six pack with the change. The
guy isn't with it. If he buys beer for a minor,
he can get arrested. And this is where I thought
he is going to be a cup.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
There was a chance that there was doing it too exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
He asks the boys of their cops, and Corey laughs,
do we look like cops? The man laughs, before his
facial expressions turn serious. He asks do I Corey and
Sean stop laughing. They're concerned, but the guy takes the
ten and goes back into the corner store. Anyway, Sean
does an impressive handstand Cab up bab.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
That was gymnastics.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I did gymnastics for the first like ten years, of
my life, so I guess I can still walk around.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
We were both gymnasts.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
You're curious judgement?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, before we change careers.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yes, Corey tells him I always thought that Tapanga was
the one person I could never live without. But she's
gone and you're here and I'm alive, so it must
be you. Sean tells Corey he'd take a bullet for him.
Corey pulls him into a hug. Shanee, I love you.
Sean tells him he loves him too. He's not ashamed.
This is the real love story of Boy meets World. Yeah,
challenge me. Just then, the beer buyer walks out of

(50:30):
the corner store and gives them a judgmental look because
two guys hugging and loving each other.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Bad alcohol for kids? Fine, good day, time to judge.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
The boys immediately break apart, and Sean admits, now I'm ashamed.
The man insists it's okay. My brother's also chosen an
alternative lifestyle. He scopes the area before handing the mystery
bag to Sean. Sean reaches into the bag and Corey admits,
you know what I can't get over. When I left
the house, I was almost half cracked, and my dad
didn't notice a thing. Sean shrugs. That's what happens when
you get up there in years, you start to lose

(51:05):
your edge. The boys each have a beer in their hand,
and Corey proposes another toast to the best friend and
the whole wide world on the best night ever. They
cheers and take a sip, and immediately police sirens go off.
They freeze in terror. Sean says it's siple wicks, and
Corey tries to calm him, stay very still and we
won't get in trouble. And I was trying to look

(51:26):
and see if writer is breaking or if I think
it was a really good acting choice that you find
it funny before realizing it's actually very serious, and you've
taken a sip, and then you kind of laugh, like, oh.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
My god, it caught us. It's really good.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It's a very good, very natural moment, because I actually
thought you had broken and then was like, no, it's
not a break.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
He it's just a choice.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
It's just good.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
The camera zooms out to show that it is cop
car number seventy two, and Sean wonders aloud, why does
that number look so familiar? And then we're in them
Matthew's kitchen. Alan walks the boys into the house. Amy
is standing there anxiously waiting. Alan sternly tells the boys
to sit down. How does it feel to put one
over on your parents?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
You feel good?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Corey answers no. Alan is very disappointed. I cannot believe
that my kid stole liquor from my cabinet, like, well,
like somebody else's kid. He directs this insult towards Sean.
Amy asks if they've been charged with anything, and Alan
tells her the charges were dropped because they're juveniles with
no prior arrests. Amy pleads to her son, this isn't you.

(52:31):
Alan shouts, of course it isn't. Somebody influenced him, didn't someone.
He shouts this into Sean's face. Amy is surprised at
her husband's outburst, and Corey jumps in, no, Dad, you're
completely wrong. I did this completely on my own. Alan
insists that he's covering up for Sean, just like he
always does. Corey snaps backs, no, I'm not. I'm the
one who got him to drink. Sean cuts him off. No, no, no, no,

(52:53):
stop protecting me, Corey, Sean tells Alan and Amy, you
know how lousy he's been feeling?

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Well?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
He wanted to feel good and I show him how.
Corey asks Sean what he's doing. Helen tells Sean, I
am sick and tired of overlooking the influence you have
on my kid. That is enough. Amy wants to talk
to her husband in the other room and Will did
you hate this that Amy had to stop?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Alan? No, I guess that I got. I get.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
You know, sometimes it's when you're losing it you need
you know. My wife will calm me down often, you know.
I mean, I'm not somebody who loses it quite a bit,
but when I do, she'll be the one who's like,
all right, why don't we why don't we walk out
the room and count tend It's like, okay, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I know, so I completely get that. Okay. The thing
that hit me the most, though, is just this is intense.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I know.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
I mean not only where Rusty is, Rusty's acting, where
he's taking it, but to instantly blame Sean is really
painful to hi, super intense.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
This was this is you like it?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I don't mean to. I don't. I don't.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
I don't love it the way it plays out the
whole episode. But this idea that like that he would
turn on Sean, it makes sense, and then that Sean
would just be like, fine, I'll just take it also
makes sense. It doesn't make sense that we are stone cold,
sober drinking, but it's like the same night and yeah, yeah,
again it's a tone thing, you know, like I'm just
playing it's so.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Like like and by consequence, they should if it was
hours later, you get should have been coming down essentially
from being buzzed. You should Corey should be like I'm
gonna throw up. I mean something where it's like we've
been drinking all night for the first time ever and
you're literally alcohol is poison. You're literally poisoning yourself for
the first time ever. There should have been something written

(54:31):
to that or played to that in some way, shape
or form. It wasn't written to at all, ever, which
I found weird. I mean, why isn't it like they're
mentioning like and you stink the smell that's on you.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
It's like or if we just suddenly got really emotional,
like coreyts crying because it helps him, but he's so
scared of his dad, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
There's yeah, but there was not. It wasn't It wasn't
written to at all.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
No, it's it's you know, it's written to in the
realm of ideas. You know, the whole episode is about
the idea of the episode.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
More than it is the realism of right which I
would love to have seen what Boy Meets World did
to address drinking in the world of realism, because there
are some episodes that do we do hit the reel
and it's impressively done. So combining that with something like
a very special episode could have made a pretty special
sitcom episode, and unfortunately we didn't get to see that.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So that's the point. It's upsetting.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So Amy wants to see Alan in the other room,
and Alan stares at Sean and admits that's probably a
good idea now alone. Corey confronts Sean. Why are you
taking the rap for me? He explains, your dad's right, Corey,
all my life, you've had my back. Just let me
take the heat this time. Corey reminds him, I'm the
one who got us into trouble, and Sean continues, I'm
not in any trouble you are. People expect this from me.

(55:47):
I'm the screw up. You're mister teenage America, especially in
the eyes of your parents. They've got you on this
pedestal and I'm not going to let you fall off.
Amy and Alan return, and a cooler headed Alan addresses
the boys, this is what we think, We feel that
you too need some time apart. This doesn't mean the
friendship is over. Corey cuts him off. No, forget it,
I'm not doing that. Alan's not messing around. He tells

(56:08):
Corey he doesn't have a choice. Amy chimes in, you
were drinking tonight. Corey raises his voice. I don't care.
Dad drinks. Alan fires back, poking Corey's chest. I am
slightly over twenty one. And when I do drink, I
drink responsibly. And when you are ready to do what
I do, then you can get out of this house
and get a job. Amy asks, what if Kimberly's party

(56:29):
wasn't within walking distance? Would you have driven? Corey flatly
states I wouldn't drink and drive. I'm not a moron.
Amy reminds him he peed on a cop car. How
smart is that?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
First laugh of the scene put me out exactly. It's
been yeah minutes.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
With Sean says He appreciates the lecture and thanks Alan
for picking him up from the station, but they're not
his parents. He'll stay away from Corey if that'll get
everything back to normal. Cory asks normal. You know, I
just broke up with someone that I've spent my entire
life with. I don't have a heart anymore. I've lost
my life. So I went up to your liquor cabinet
and I took a bottle of whiskey and I made

(57:04):
Sean drink, he admits, because I didn't want to be alone.
Amy and Alan realize this is the truth. Alan begins Sean,
but Sean shakes his head and tells him to forget it.
Alan responds, no, I was worried about my kid, and
I said some things that I shouldn't have. Shawn assures
him it's okay, but Alan shakes his head. It is
not okay, and I apologize. The boys look at each

(57:25):
other with regret. Corey asks Sean, no more drinking. Sean
smiles and agrees, yeah, no more drinking.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah. I actually think if the episode had taken had ended,
if the scene had ended with Sean leaving and not
resolving the conflict between and then the rest of the
episode was about Corey coming around admitting to his dad,
making it about his relationship with Tapanga admitting it, and
then Alan and Sean reunite. That could have been the
whole episode. It would have been, yeah, you know, because
that's actually this There's.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
So much going on in this scene that's really interesting
and dynamic and realistic to the characters that we've established,
and I think that would have been enough to say, like,
and then we could have ended the episode with Corey
and Seawan being like, yeah, drinking is so bad. Yeah,
you know, look at what it did to our friendship
and your parents and all of that, And we could
have had more stuff with Amy, Like this scene should
have been the rest of the episode, and it has

(58:14):
just been extended into two more scenes and it would
have been great.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
But instead it just goes into a whole like extra episode.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
About Saw and teenage domestic violence, which.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, you know, shoehorning a lot in there right now. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
And by the way, it was in this moment I
realized Will must have had finals. I was like, oh,
Will has finals on this episode, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I need this is one of those when Michael had
just come up ago you don't. You don't need to
come in next week. I go, what, you're not in it?
You don't? They come in. I go, okay, and you
go and pay vacation.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I go, all right, what did you do in those
weeks off?

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Drink in the morning with my friends, drink a pine
of whiskey, places, a lot of auto pump push and
people random people on the streets, read about feudalism.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
No, I did I sleep, But you know what it
was when you're nineteen or whatever. I sleep.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
I'd until eleven o'clock in the morning, I play video games.
I'd probably see Mars then, you know, like it was.
It was great, just total vacation.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Then we're in Peoenie's classroom. Corey sits down behind to
Panga and whispers listen about Friday night to Pega cuts
him off. He doesn't need to apologize. To her, Corey
wants to explain why he was acting so strange, but
to Panga shoots back, I don't really care. She swiftly
turns back to face the board. Corey asks, you don't,
and she says no. He gives in okay. She whips
her head back to face him. It's okay with you

(59:51):
that I don't care and I hate this.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I wasn't a fan of this either. It's like that, well,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Get this is an official absolute game mind trip weird thing.
If you say I don't care, I don't need. I
don't want you to tell me, you better mean it.
I don't care, I don't care. I don't want to
hear your answer. You don't owe me any explanation, and
please stop acting as though I need to know. We're
not a part of each other's life. You mean it,

(01:00:16):
you don't go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
What do you mean you're supposed to care?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I can't stand it. Yeah, absolutely cannot stand it. Corey
says no. They throw their arms in the air, both
annoyed at one another. Phoene addresses the class as we
continue our study of feudalism, I would like to focus
today on the life of the surf. Sean raises his hand.
I don't want to, Phoene asks, you don't want to what?
Sean simply responds, boring?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
It's boring.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
That's why the whole feudalism thing didn't work out. They
got bored out of their freaking minds. Corey tries to
talk some sense into Sean, but Sean doesn't back down.
Just once. I would like to learn something somewhat relevant
to our lives, Angela warns him through gritted teeth. Shut up,
I say this with love. Topanga asks Sean, what's the
matter with you? Sean snaps back, nothing. Now, why don't

(01:01:01):
you stop being so crazy and sit on Corey's lap?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Well, also everyone blaming to Penga. Yeah, steal Corey in
the last scene, blaming Topanga. Sean blaming Topanga.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Sean learned nothing from the dream where he killed all
the people and nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Phoenean or Jackson, mister hunter, we will discuss your outburst
at the end of the class. Seawan shrugs and imitates fanfare. Cool,
so let the boredom begin. Phoene commands him to leave.
Sean laughs, okay, but only because you asked me so nicely.
Corey raises his hand and asks if he can go
to Phoeney waves his hand, sick of the interruption, and
dismisses him. And then we're in the guy's apartment. Corey

(01:01:45):
follows Sean into the living room. Sewan immediately pulls a
bottle of beer out of the fridge, and Corey is astounded.
Are you kidding me? Sean replies, I'm sorry, did you
want one? Corey ignores the question and asks, you got
kicked out of class, You fight me all the way home,
you puke on my shoes, and you still want another beer? Again?
A lot of stuff that just happened. We would have

(01:02:07):
we didn't get to see. Yeah, but here in one session,
are they.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Kind of at least insinuating that either Eric and or
Jack are over twenty one at this point? Yeah, you're
because somebody had to buy the beers that are in fridge.
And if Jack is like, we have to be careful
in our family, you shouldn't drink.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
What they're saying is Eric drinks, which, again he's nineteen, right,
So who's buying the beer?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think Sean's doing exactly what he did in the
earlier scene. He's he's buying somebody off outside.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
The Yes, how yeah, I mean, so, how is this
supposed to be the next day? After?

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Because you say, Sean rudely responds, why don't you go
home Corey the monitor? Corey angrily reminds him, I could
have sworn we agreed to stop drinking Sean laughs, yeah, well,
I've been drinking all week and you haven't noticed a thing. Okay, okay,
so there is soo it has been a week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Oh yeah, I spent some time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Corey can't believe it. You've been drinking all week. Sean reveals, Yeah,
I'm doing this for you if you're worried about me.
He stopped thinking about Tapanga. By the way, she's getting
out of school right about now. Why don't you go
across the street from her and cry ben Jack walks
into the house. He grabs the beer out of Sean's
hand and asks what he's doing. Sean scoffs, it's a beer.
What's the big deal here? Jack looks to Corey for

(01:03:24):
some answers, and Corey admits they got drunk at a
party and Sewan might have liked it a little too much.
Jack sternly explains a beer's a big deal for us.
Sean sarcastically rubs his hands together and says, oh, goodie,
I get a lecture from the big brother who I've
known all of six months. Jack shakes his head in disappointment.
You don't have a clue, do you. Sean angrily asks
about what and Jack yells about dad. Sean shrugs, Yeah,

(01:03:47):
dad used to drink and then he stopped. Next, Jack
asks if Sean knows why their dad stopped, and Shawn
answers because he ran out of money. Jack continues on,
asking Sean if he knows why his mom left him,
and Shawn answers because she went for a guy with
more money. Jack reveals she left him because he was
an abusive, ugly drunk. Sean aggressively grabs Jack and screams,

(01:04:07):
don't you ever talk about my father? He throws him
down on the couch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Line. This is like Reveal Titan.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
It's so heavy, it's so condensed, my god, very much so,
more intense than like any episode of Party of five, Yeah,
you know, which is like the drama version of a show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
It's like we just go right to it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Well, because those shows Party five, Dawson's Creek stuff like that,
they build storylines that then culminate in an explosion, as
opposed to this, which is just we've got three lines
to get everything out. Let's get everything out. Oh now
we're on the couch. You were wrestling, okay now and
now I'm crying and now I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Now I'm abusing. Yeah, it's like pease wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Corey tries to break them up, but Jack eventually pulls
Sean off of him. Jack reminds Sean that Chet is
his father too. Right on time, Angela and Topanga walk
in to witness the argument. I guess we were that
concerned by your outburst that we immediately came over. I
guess the school is within a three minute walk.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
From what to Panga would be there even.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Unless yeah, unless I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I'm going there strictly to support Angela. Yea, and again,
would have been great to have an Angela to Panga scene.
I don't know what's going on with them. I don't know.
Corey was acting so weird at that party. This is
unlike Sean to have this outburst.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Not about your point of view, You're still still responsible
for breaking them up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yes, that is true, Jack continues, alcoholism is in our
family and you shouldn't drink. Angela is worried Sean. Corey
tells Sean after the other night, I feel like I
can never drink again. To Panga, can't believe her ears
you were drinking. Sean answers, Yeah, what do you figure
that was about? I wonder. Corey tells Sean to shut up.

(01:05:47):
We agreed to stop drinking. I have you obviously haven't,
Jack asks his brother, what do you think that's about?
I wonder. Corey whispers to to Panga. And by the way,
I happen to have been an adorable drunk. You should
have seen me. Tapeg is disgusted.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
I'm sorry that one word changes things for me. It
shouldn't have been we agreed to stop drinking, because it
insinuates that they've been drinking for a long time. It
should have just been we agreed, we're not gonna drink anymore, right,
and that what These little words like that change the meaning.
It's like, no, Corey saying we agreed to stop drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Right, had they drink every weekend for a few months
and then we're like we need to cut this out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
You'd say we need to start, but he didn't. It's like,
we agreed, this isn't for us something. But it's like, yeah,
you weren't drinking. You drank one night, so yeah, it's
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Tapega's disgusted. I did you weren't and this isn't about us.
Angela comfort Sean if there's a problem, they can figure
out what to do. Sean breaks out and laughter. Nobody's
listening to me. I drink this stuff because I like it.
It makes me feel good. He holds up the beer
like a microphone and taps it. Hello, is this thing on?
He says he doesn't have a problem. Angela is worried.

(01:06:54):
Maybe we don't have to talk about this in front
of everybody. She grabs his arm. They can just go
out into the hall. Sean aggressively pushes her against the door.
She is pregnant. Do you remember this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
We talked about it when I pushed her in the
locker a couple of weeks. I'm pushing her a lot.
You know Sean is a pusher.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah, Sean is a bit of a pusher. Although Sean
only pushed her in that last one we talked about
because the Penga ran up onto on Sean.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
But I know you do this the starry night again.
Like it's like her and me taking turns pushing each
other up against a wall to like make out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
So there's there's what what is it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
And everyone obviously knew she was pregnant. All the writers
knew she was pregnant. Like, maybe can we not can
you push her against a couch?

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I mean, it's so weird. It's so weird. I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Michael really liked certain physicalities when it came to relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yes, food fights, yeah, yeah, pushing feet in the face.
There were things that he would know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
We know from all the episodes where we talked about
women domince physic dominated men.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yes, there were certain but yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Really sure why.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
It feels like since she has been pregnant, obviously pregnant.
I think she joined the show and may have been
pregnant from the beginning but wasn't showing. But like, since
she has been obviously pregnant, I'm not sure why it's
been so hard for them to just not have done that,
not even just once, but three times.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
See again, I could I could see why they're like, look,
we need it in this one episode. We need Sean
to do something that he pushes her. It becomes it
becomes physical. It's dangerous, I said of her.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
It would have been so much more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Paster or something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I mean, it just it's like the first time we
saw it, when it was kind of like, oh, Corey
and Sean were just talking to each other, and Sean
was like, you know, do what I do. And then
Tapega runs up on Corey and runs it, smashes him
into the locker about the letter, and so Sean kind
of imitates the two of them. Okay, I still think

(01:09:02):
we didn't need it, but now, like multiple times it's like,
what are you come on?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I think it's just you know, maybe it's as simple
as like a.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, like the way that we, like our writers clearly
got caught on certain jokes like I could take you,
you know, like there's certain echoes and I think and
they're just they don't There are people under pressure in
a room trying to get strips out, so they just
like get caught in like well that works, and you're like,
does it work or is it just because it worked
in that other episode that you were working on last
week that you sort of you know what I mean? Like,

(01:09:34):
I think it's just like an habitual thing and they
don't even really see the pattern, but it's just under
pressure and not having time to like rewrite or get
away from it and be like maybe we can make
this better. They're just gonna get the episode done and
they're under pressure, and so I think that's where.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
It gets dangerous because that's because somebody like Trina who's
new to the show isn't going to probably feel like
she has the power to stand up and be like,
you know what, I'm pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I don't want to keep being slammed into things.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Yeah, So that's where it gets to be that kind
of loop of like nobody's saying anything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
There's probably also a bit of like you do it once,
and it's high production value for they probably they didn't
need a They probably didn't need a stunt coordinator, although
they would have one now, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
It makes it makes a significant on camera moment moment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It's a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
It's a yeah, and it becomes a thing, a crutch
you can fall back on of like, let's do that
thing we already know works really well, but I wish
we had made a different choice. Angela's voice shakes, I
don't like that you drink call me when you don't,
and she takes off with Tepanga close behind. Sean turns
to the guys and asks, how did that just happen?

(01:10:43):
And then we're back in the Matthew's kitchen. Alan is
doing the dishes when Sean knocks on the back door.
He tells Alan, I just wanted to let you know
that you don't have to worry about me having a
drink anymore. But if you want me to stay away
from Corey because of all the other idiot stuff I do,
I understand. And I realize that you are in the
same out. You're in the same brown shirt under your
leather jacket. So this the the push against the wall

(01:11:06):
happened immediately after school, and based on the darkness outside,
I'm assuming this is now after dinner. So let's say
it was a difference between three to say eight. So
five hours later you come to Corey's house. Alan tells
Sean to come in. I wouldn't want two friends to
be kept apart. When I said that I was under
the influence of alcohol, Sean surprised you were drunk too.

(01:11:29):
Alan corrects him, No, you were, and so was Corey.
And I didn't like seeing that you that way. Sean nods.
That seems to be the general consensus.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
So the influence of under the influence of alcohol meant
that it was he was influenced by their their alcohol right,
and it made him act negatively because he didn't like
who they were.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, it's a little Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Then Sean, with an exaggerated gulp, asks, so when can
Corey come out and play? Just then Corey appears at
the stairs.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Can I dad?

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Huh?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Can I? Alan asks what month is it? Corey says
it's still March. Alan throws his arms in the air. Sorry, Sean,
maybe next time you won't be so easily influenced by
your rotten friends. Sean smiles, Yeah, well he's the only
one I got. Corey asks if Angelas called yet. Sean
says no, she won't return my messages. And again, it's

(01:12:22):
been five hours. He sarcastically adds, I picked a fine
time to quit drinking. Can you say I've quit drinking
on the same day you've been drinking if you still
maybe have alcohol in your system?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Or I'm allowed to say I've quit?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Then he admits I've got a lot of apologizing to do,
and then we're back in Phoenie's classroom. Sean holds out
an apple for Feoenie, and Phoenie asks an apple?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Sean explains what I did in class yesterday was so
out of line. If you won't accept my apology. Then
I want you to have this twelve dollars. He pulls
a crumpled wat of money out of his pocket. Phoene
earnestly explains the only thing of value for me would
be to know that you're all right. Are you all right?
Sean nods, yeah, I'm all right. My brother and I
decided to talk to this guy who's going to help

(01:13:09):
us understand how to deal with this. Phoene's proud of him.
That's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So who's that it's probably gonna be?

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Is it allan On? Is alan On? The one word?
It's for family members of alcoholics say that they made
it more. Yeah, we're going to talk to official person
off camera.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
But probably a counselor more so than alan On.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Maybe maybe yeah, but the school would have a counselor,
it would be the Probably seems like we should.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Probably we're trying to steer kids towards Oh yeah, the
last time had.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Discol she told you to go off to France and
you've tried to sleep with her or something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Someone trying to somebody to sleep with the counsel, Right,
I feel like she came to you. Yeah, something like
that the counselors in the school are pretty sketchy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
Never one thing we should talk about, and we could
we could touch on this very very briefly. Though, is
the power of television episodes like this to influence young
people into things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Like not drinking and right exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
But I mean, I think we're going to get emails
from people saying things like, when I saw this episode,
it made me realize my friend was drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Or when I saw this episode, it made me realize
my parents were drinking.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
So there is a power to episodes like this where
maybe they're not trying to make it clever. Maybe it's
supposed to be drink bad. That's how that's how far
we're going to take it. Drink bad And when you're twelve,
that's all you need to hear. Yes, So maybe we're
all thinking too much about it as adults. And when
you watch this at eleven years old, right, this is

(01:14:44):
exactly the level it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
You drink, bad things happen pre.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Right, Yeah, so join a cult bad drink exactly exactly.
It's just the it's just the shifts, right, It's just
like I think that there's there's a way to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Exactly with a little bit more new. Agreed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
I agree with you and still have a really basic
important message about drinking. Like I do think that there's
a it's yeah, I think you're right, it's it's it's
a holdover of the very special episode era, which was
you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
I told you that the non smoking episode of of
Different Strokes literally just ends with them getting caught smoking
cigarettes and then the father of one of the kids
coming to the door and saying, yeah, you got to
help me make sure my kid doesn't smoke. I'm on
the way to the hospital right now to have a
lung removed, And as he turns to the camera, he
lights another cigarette and walks off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
And I was like, god, and you went from one
to two packs a day. But it was it was like,
that's they just they there's smoking to do that. But yeah,
it's just they're trying not to be clever. I think,
just drinking. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Topanga walks up to Sean and smiles. Sean starts to Panga,
she cuts him off. I know, you're sorry. I got
the card and the fruit basket. It was missing an
apple by the way. Sean takes the apple from feenie
and gives it to Tapanga. She says thanks and puckers
her lips. Sean she gives he kisses her on the cheek.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I turn my cheek, like, come on, give me some sugar.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Do I kiss you or you kiss me?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
You kiss me? I'm pretty just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
About and you kiss me on the cheek.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I remember, I was kind of just like, this is weird,
so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I go, come on, kiss me on the cheek, and
you were like, kick, give me that bear of breath,
Come on, have it so weird? Then Corey walks in
and the two friends happily greet each other. Cory asks
want to hang out two weeks from Thursday. Sean nods
I'll be there. Corey sits down and tells Toapanga, good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I still love you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
She sighs. We can't start off the day like that.
Corey admits, I don't care what you think. She throws
her arms in the air with frustration. Fine, he says, fine,
Is it too late to get Lauren in this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Well, she's on the bus, she's coming back. She didn't
get the message last time, so she really wants to
see if Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Wants to dinner, and finally Angela walks into the room.
Sean meets her at the door and says hi. She
apprehensively says hi back. He says, I don't like me
when I drink either, and she lets out a sigh
of relief. Good because I sure like you when you don't.
And then happy music plays as she walks in. They
hold hands, they sit down next to each other, and

(01:17:35):
all things are resolved. Underage drinking is bad, bad, bad,
and there's no tag. Guess what guys our next episode,
Season five, episode nineteen Eric Hollywood.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Oh geez, the swings this like boom, like super heavy, deep,
life changing episode.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Let's make fun of ourselves where we play alternative versions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Exact extremely heightened versions of us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yes, is that first time? I think though?

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
If memory serves the tag we totally break the fourth
wall where you actually call me Will?

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Really? Yeah? Yes did Will? We'll lose it again something
like that. Yeah, you literally like so wee so break
the fourth wall.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I don't remember that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
It originally aired March twentieth, nineteen ninety eight. Thank you
all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.
As always, you can follow us on Instagram, pod Meets
World Show. You can send us your emails pod Meets
World Show at gmail dot com, and we.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Have merch Drinking's bad kids March. It's good you're gonna
say I don't like you when you merch. I don't
like it, but I love you. When your.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Pod meets Worldshow dot com will send us out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
We love you all, dismissed.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Podmets World is Niheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,
Wilfredell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman,
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World
super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle
Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us on Instagram

(01:19:22):
at Podmeats World Show or email us at Podmeats Worldshow
at gmail dot com