"Brothers of the Broken Horn" (S2E6)

From the return of Lando (sorta) to Ezra's John Hughes-esque sidequest with Chopper to the return of Hondo AND Azmorigan to Ezra realizing he's on a different path. The group talks about Ezra's development and share stories about Jim Cummings' copious adlibs in the recording booth when voicing Hondo. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Millennium Falcon Righte. He's the one that gives you
the instructions at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Alright, Hondo is the animatronic, but I'm the person who
tells you to fasten your seatbelts and I tell you
what to do. And I auditioned for that with a
voice down in here, and when I got there, they
were like, yeah, we like your real voice. And I said,
you know, what's so funny. I use that voice for
four seasons and I hate Hondo and they were like, nah,

(00:23):
it doesn't matter. Hey, everybody, what's up. It's Vanessa Marshall,
the voice of Harrison Doula Specter two. Welcome to Pod
of Rebellion. We are so excited to be here today.

(00:45):
And guess who I have.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's such a shock.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
It's you for our voice of Sabine Wren Specter five.
Thrilled to have you guys here, and we are not
alone with us.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
We have what's up?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's Stale Gray as Richard respect six, and we also
got everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
It's Johny Brody, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the Potter Rebellion.
And today we're going over Star Wars Rebel Season two,
episode six, Brothers of the Broken Horn aka as for
Bridger's day Off. You'll see what id by that in
a little bit. Uh, here we go, and as always, everybody,
let's check in. I know that we record these in events,
so this isn't in real time, but you all just
came off of like a huge con in Houston, and

(01:25):
I know you met a bunch of fans. I'd loved
all the Instagram stories that the fans were sharing. I
would love for you to talk about that a little
bit because it seemed like it was a great experience everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
This was my I don't think for you guys, but
this was my first con since we've been doing the podcast,
so I have never met any people in the wild
that actually listened to the to the podcast, so it
was great to like actually hear people's reactions.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
And we got a lot of love for the podcast
in Houston this past weekend, so it was really it was.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Fun, same experience, and this was my first con for
twenty twenty five, so it was awesome to connect with
people and some people had never heard of the podcast,
and we're also thrilled mostly because they said that the
show got them through some very challenging times, either medically
or emotionally or whatever. And they were just like, I

(02:20):
really miss Rebels and I was like, well, you know,
you could come hang with us, and their eyes lit up.
So's it's fun to let people know what we're doing
that the family continues. So it was great.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, people are enjoying it and people. I just keep
finding that more people than I think are listening to
this podcast, which is amazing. Anything where you record stuff
and people aren't there, you think no one, at least
I do. I thought no one who's going to watch Reuble.
So it's like, well, there's six of us in this
boog and then you go to these gons You're like,
oh cool, people are watching.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
It was fun to meet folks and people telling us like, oh,
I go on runs and I listen to you guys,
or I'm I clean my head when I watch it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm listening and it helps you get through the day
or whatever it was. It was really nice.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah. So if you're running right now, keep going, keep going.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
We need you and.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Two ten and two.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
All right.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
So I love hearing all of that about Nostalgic and
shout out to them shout out to.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
The city of Houston.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
But Tia, in our pre recording chat, as we tend
to have before every episode, you had mentioned a very
specific encounter with a certain fan of the podcast, and
I thought it was a great story and I want
you to tell it.

Speaker 8 (03:33):
I don't want to, Okay.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
So so those of you listening may remember that we have, well,
we liked we all love sports. We're all sports fans,
and so we had talked a few episodes back about
who would our characters, and I think do we also
say ourselves what NBA players past or present are most

(03:55):
like our characters? And anyway, so Mike Hi, Mike. Mike
was like, I I'm one of the people that love,
you know, love Star Wars and love sports.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
So I like love when you.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Guys talk about sports on the on the podcast, which
made me very happy and reassured that it's not just
the five months. But anyway, he had this really cool
idea for a photo op, which was to get jerseys
of each of our counterparts, our basketball counterparts, and and

(04:31):
bring them and and and we would take photos together.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Love that.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Unfortunately, Kareem and Joel Jabbar, you know, Harrah's counterpart. Uh,
it didn't get it didn't get in in time. So
we're going to see him at a con coming up
in Okalla, Florida. If anyone's listening and you feel like
coming out, we're all going to be there. But Steve
is also going to be there. And of course we
didn't talk about the Steve or Zeb's counterparts. So I

(04:56):
thought i'd open up the discussion with you guys to
see what y'all thought.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Who who would Zeb be?

Speaker 6 (05:04):
I already told Mike to get a big baby Davis.

Speaker 8 (05:08):
You're gonna do him like that.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
We already spoke our big baby Davis is amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And he said he was a Celtics fan. I mean
that is a very good comport.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Zeed.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I like, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, I kept thinking of the Harlem Globetrotters because there's
something so funny about Zeb that cracks me up. I mean,
he's efficient, but he's also kind of a klutz at times,
but I mean not a klutz, but he's just a clown.
Like there's comedy. He obviously executes well, but he makes
it fun. And I just thought metal arc Lemon came

(05:43):
to mind, and Shack because Shack is so amazing and
he's also kind of funny. So I'm like the love
child of those two. So either or maybe Shaq is is.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'm with you on Shack, but I go Chewbacca Shack,
Big Baby Ze like Ze's big. Glenn Davis was like
out of college. They were thinking he was.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Didn't he also go to L s U? I think
so right? Wow, and Glen Davis, I'm not sure you
want to fact check that I believe in my.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
Let's see, yeah, he's LSU.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
It was ls Let's go well, Big Baby Shack.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, John, do you have any thoughts?

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, well, Metal, that's a great poll, Vanessa. And I
know Metalk who was also known as the Clown Prince,
which is also the jokers uh Moniker in Batman, and
he was definitely the jokes. I mean, that's I don't
know if you can for me. Zeb is such a hybrid.
So that's why I think I like a healthy Zion
Williamson in terms of the total package of what he

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can bring. Like, zeb can be the muscle, but he
can also, as we saw in the last episode, he
can outsmart you. Like he's also a very cerebral person,
but he has kind of the temper of Shaquille O'Neil,
not just the humor side. But and I talked about
this on the Lost Commander's episode where Shaq was raised
by a military father and he loves that structure. And
Phil Jackson had talked about the difference of coaching Kobe

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and Shack, where Kobe was more of the renegade, the
rebel who you can't try to discipline him because he
wants to do his own thing. But with Shaq, Shack
like that structure. He also wanted a little bit of freedom,
but he also was a very yes, sir and noser
kind of person. And you start to see that little
more and more of zeb So I don't know ze O'Neil,
that baby, that big baby zeb O'Neil. Maybe that's gonna

(07:34):
be uh, that's gonna be his uh.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I don't know, May I, may I submit just a
couple more options just to ponder.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
So obviously has to.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Be someone big, right, like big dude. I was thinking
Karl Malone. You know, the mailman always delivers, like zeb
always comes through.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
The muggy bugs. What muggsy bugs. I don't know who
muggy bugs is he's tiny?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Oh okay?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
And then I also thought, what about Charles Barkley.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I feel like Charles Barkley.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Barkley's fall tender.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
He's funny, He's like this big lumbering goofy goofball but
still a total badass on the work.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Like, okay, great, hey, how about that, Charles?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
What do you I like Barkley?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
I thought I thought of him too, and I was like,
you know, but I was trying to like to me,
that was like almost I was like, is that too obvious?
So that's why I was trying to be like, let
me go for the deep cut. But yeah, I mean, let's.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
All right, Mike Kennedy, how about you surprises.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
We've given you some some some my ideas, some some options,
and you know, I'm sure Steve will be thrilled no
matter you know.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Who you just who you choose, Like what is happening.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
Basketball Jersey and a photo?

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Well I can't wait for that photo, op Charles, And
let's just say this, Charles Barkley in today's NBA would
be a problem. I believe that people the younger generation
one hundred percent, who's going to stop Charles Barkley. If
the guy could shoot from outside, the guy could drive
to the whole leak of reout rebound at six foot
five out rebound centers and guarding shack. Who's going to

(09:31):
stop that? And you can't touch anybody now, so you can't.
He'd be averaging thirty easy if you wanted to. All right,
that's why they call him sir Charles. Got to put
that respect on it. Sorry, Uh, you know I love that.
So I can't wait for that photo op. I can't
wait to see you all in your jerseys. Yeah, you know,
as we record this, it is football season. So maybe

(09:53):
in a future episode we can do a little football
counterparts of whoever body is, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Partner with the ringer or something.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
You know, we're all gameed for that. No pun intended anyway.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
No pun intended.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Let's do all the episode. Yeah, I guess while we're here.
I guess you know, while we're here. Yeah, we might
as well. So so though it's listening, no we are not. Yeah,
you've been Trojan horse. This has actually been a sports
podcast the whole time, and this is when we reveal it.
But no, we will talk about let's get into Star
Wars Rebel Season two, Episode six, Brothers of the Broken
Horn original air date November fourth, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Here comes the Recap.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
School is in session and Ezra is like a student
with an undeclared major that is stuck between the teachings
of two very different professors, and mcmatters worse. While the
group goes on a local quest, Hara goes in the
full on space mom mode and decides Ezra is grounded
and given the task of cleaning the exhaust ports, making
him feel more like Space Cinerella than Space Aladdin. And
to top it all off, he gets to spend the
entire day with Chopper. But these mythfits don't stay put

(10:56):
for long. Like Ferris Bueller, Ezra just can't justify stain
put in being expected to do chores. But instead of
taking a Ferrari for a joy Bry but Cameron Fry,
he takes the Fan to First Spin with Chopper and
ends up on an adventure with none other than Hondo Onaka.
The one time pirate King of Floram is now a
one man house who walks a lonely road like Green
Day in two thousand and four. That is, unless Ezra

(11:17):
joins his Crew something our truant Ghost Crew. Padawan seriously
considers the space escapade with Hondo has it all jump
into hyperspace. Tovay the Empire are Fake alias a good
old fashioned shootout with the familiar and slimy as ever
as Morgan at jail break, Mizago hating kids more than
Gordon Bobbay in the first half of The Mighty Ducks,
and of course lies, so many lies.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
One exception leads to another.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
But somehow all roads lead back to the Ghosts, with
Hondo forced to walk once again walk alone onto his
boulevard of broken dreams. The episode is capped off with
Ezra having a Plato's allegory slash Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey
type of self reflection moment. Ezra is able to see
his growth in real time, and any doubts he had
about the current path he was on are put to rest.

(11:57):
He knows exactly where he's supposed to be with the
Chosen Family, the Ghost Crew, and that is our recap
for season two, episode six, Brothers of the Broken Horn.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
Nicely done, Thank you. One episode.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
As usual, I threw in the Hero's Journey because I
know you've mentioned Joseph Campbell. We've all mentioned Joseph Campbell,
and I know Taylor you specifically have mentioned Joseph Campbell
a couple of times. And I want to kick off
with this question and one very light work week for
you and for Vanessa and Tilla.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like we were on vacation.

Speaker 8 (12:31):
Yeah, before I.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Have I have a question for h for I'm doing
it too now calling him his character name. I don't
think we've ever talked about, like how long does it take?
Like how long is the recording session per episode? Like
I know how it is for live action for half
hour an hour, but like are you finishing quick?

Speaker 6 (12:49):
This was the Yeah, this took five minutes. I think,
I say, I stood.

Speaker 8 (12:55):
Yeah, well, less and style just take.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Typically we would record four our sessions for our sessions,
and I think which one's like these you guys would
remember better than me. But I feel like those of
us who had like a light work day or episode
we would record all would we stay the whole time?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
No, they would They would get you guys, that would
be right. They were good about like, hey, we know
what's up.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
That would be a while it let us do our
lines first. But I remember Jim Cummings. Uh. He always
has drumsticks, so in between lines, he's always like da
dac decked da, you know, and I just I remember
him like certain certain of his lines was like great
business plan or you know he's got oh you lied,
I knew, I liked you, like he this like jazz

(13:47):
scat dude vibe.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
He improvised more than any person we had on.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I think, yeah, he was what.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
He improvised more than anyone we had on.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I remember we didn't we didn't, I mean, there was not.
I feel like Vanessa. I mean, you've done a lot,
a lot, a lot of voiceover.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I feel like the.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Ability or room for improvisation is slim in voiceover world.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Would you say, I think it's up to individual actors.
In my world, I feel like these writers are supreme
and I would never deign to be like, let me
tell you, I would never change a word on the page.
I mean, all the various writers who worked on our
show were absolute geniuses, and I feel like I honor

(14:34):
their words first if asked to riff okay, but other
people are like, let me tell you, you know, they really
enjoy going in there. And then equally d Bradley Baker.
I believe he was saying last time, you know, when
he was here, how important improv is and being in

(14:56):
the moment and playing and this and that, and I
believe that's true. And uh, sometimes what actors like d
you will do is sort of pad around the lines.
They never change the actual lines that the geniuses put forth,
but maybe add a couple singers to begin to end
or uh, you know, sort of certain things in between.

(15:17):
But but I feel like everyone always gives one take
as written and then play. It's only respectful to do
that in my view.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, totally, yeah, I mean there's yeah, as an on
camera actor there it wildly differs. Like if you're on yeah,
you know, a comedy set and uh, like I did
a movie with I did a movie called The Internship
with Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson. That script was just
a general guideline, like you would you would memorize your

(15:50):
lines for for work the next day, and then maybe
you say them or.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Maybe you do a whole different scene.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know, you're you're working with like two of the
absolute like scions of improvisational comedies. So and then there's
you know, like I've done multi cam and single cam
half hour comedies like network comedies, and there's no, there's
no you are not meant to be coming up with lines.

(16:18):
The writers are there for a reason and like you
say those lines and you say exactly as scripted, and
so it just depends. But yeah, I in rewatching this episode,
I was I was really like tickled by. I mean,
just Hondo his whole vibe and his whole delivery that
that like sort of musical, kind of very like I

(16:42):
don't know, like I don't even know what kind of
accent that is, or if it's just an amalgamation of
various accents, which is even more fun.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
But all of his, like all of Jim's like.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Little additions that just really give such a colorful perform
and it's like the like like little coughs and little
like you know, I don't know, just a little little
tidbits scattered throughout that just really make it such a fun,
fun character.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I really really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, I mean I think some of the funny signs
so far on the show, those are just Jim's improvs,
like let's leave your wife out of this, you know,
they didn't write that.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
I was like, I was dying.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I was like, there's the funniest line we've heard yet
on the show. And he just improvised that.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
And he has one later too.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I didn't I don't know if I wrote it down,
like he's just doing stand up. It feels like it's
so it's so good, and I think it's a testament
to Jim. He's ended up at Disneyland, you know what
I mean that. I don't know how many episodes Hondo
knocks in, but he's on the what is the ride
where you Millennium definitely know, Yeah, the Millennium Falcon Ride.
He's the one that gives you the instructions at the

(17:49):
beginning of all right.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's actually Hondo is the animatronic, but I'm the person
who tells you to fasten your seatbelts and I tell
you what to do oh yeah, and I Hondo talks
when you come in. Yeah, sorry, that's but I'm all
throughout the ship. And I auditioned for that with a

(18:11):
voice down in here that this ship is a honk
of junk and this and that, so you don't hear
Hara anywhere. And when I got there, they were like, uh, yeah,
we like your real voice. And I said, you know
what's so funny. I use that voice for four seasons
and I hate Hondo. So if you have me speak
in my real voice, I think Star Wars fans are

(18:32):
gonna be like, why is Harah Hondo's minion on the
falcon that doesn't track? Or like what is happening? And
they were like, nah, it doesn't matter. And so I
recorded all the lines and I even spoke in Spanish,
like all the things like and people call me from
the falcon right and they're like, is this you? I'm
like yep. And I called Carrie Back, one of the

(18:55):
producers at Lucasfilm, after I finished recording this with the
Imagine people, and I said, listen, I'm not trying to
get myself fired, but I really care about Star Wars
fans and I want them to have a great experience
on that ride. And I think in terms of the
overall narrative, it doesn't track that my voice that could
be confused as Harah's would be his assistant on the ship.

(19:17):
And I said, if nothing else, can you see if
they can pitch it down? And she was like, wow,
I really appreciate you doing this, but I don't want
to fire you, and I was like, well, honestly, I
don't know if it serves the IP if it was
too much like my voice, but I tried to make
it like slightly different. I don't know. Anyway, they didn't

(19:38):
change it. They ended up keeping it, and we had
had dinner with Dave Filoni one time. I think it
was like in Culver City, like I don't know how
many years ago and in between these seasons. And I
said to him because he had gone on the ride
and I was like, did you notice anything. He's like no,
I said, are you kidding me? I'm like, dude, I

(20:00):
told you to fasten your seatbelt. I'm all throughout the
caverns of the ride. You hear me like, ah this
honka johnk blah blah blah. And he was like, nah,
I didn't notice. I was like, wow, okay, never mind.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
That's just how good you are, Vanessa.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
Oh that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I think that's a testament to you as a performer
than anything anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
But I mean, he's in a million episodes in the
Clone Wars Hondos, so he's a very well established Star
Wars character beyond our show. But I was in a
session for him for Adr, I think our final season
when he found out that he's going to be an
animatronic thing in the ride, and his drumsticks were like
but he was freaking out. He was so honored. I mean,

(20:42):
that's that's a really huge deal to be totally good
part of you know. Anyway, But yeah, so I don't
know if he realizes that I'm with him on the ride.
I'm not sure. I even when I see him, I
don't know if he actually knows who I am today.
I'm not sure, but maybe. But it's just weird that

(21:06):
we're both on the Falcon, both in Florida and in
Los Angeles, so by coastal.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
Baby, look at that.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
But you got that. You got that.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Sorry, you got that job completely like separate from being
the voice of Haarra.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Those percent they didn't even they didn't even know what
I was talking about.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah. Well, I mean but it was a very different voice,
and I made sure it was different again because I
care about the fans experience on the Falcon, you know.
And then when I got there there like we love
your regular voice, I was like, that's so great. But anyway,
but I guess it was different enough that even Filoni
didn't even notice, so thank god.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Well that's something because he's listened to your voice for years.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But anyway, so, yeah, Hondo was quite the jazzy drummer,
and that day when he found out that he was
going to be part of a ride on, you know,
in both parks, he was definitely drumming it up.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
He went Forwardingo in the booth, is what you're saying that,
you know, Vanessa, I know how big of a Clone
Wars fan you are, so can you recall what it
was like when you found out Honda was going to
make an appearance on Rebels.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
You know, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, so when it's similar to what we already described
at that celebration in Anaheim when we all got to
watch the trailer for the show and they fans saw Rex,
but then the fans also saw Hondo, so as much
screaming as there was for Rex, equally, the fans were
freaking out, you know that Honda was back. Hondo just

(22:47):
cracked me up all throughout Clone Wars. I mean there's
a particular arc where he works with Obi Wan and
but you know, he he's totally hilarious. I was thrilled
to see him back. You just want to listen to
him and his little quippy jokes that are sort of
tucked under, like Tia was saying, So yeah, I completely

(23:09):
freaked out.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Honda reminds me of this is for the boxing fans
out there. He reminds me of Don King, the old
boxing promoter, you know, and and for a multipude of reasons,
because Don King was a very showy, very loud personality.
Even when he didn't speak, he was very very loud.
I've had the pleasure of knowing a lot of pro
boxers and Taylor, you and I were trained by a
former you know, Olympic champion and you know pantomweight champion

(23:36):
and Wayne McCullough. So I'd ask people about it because
there was Bob Aram back in the day and there
was Don King, And I was like, well, what's the
difference between the two, because that's a very confusing business
to be in as a boxing promoter. And Raymoncin and
he shout out the Ray Boom Woomansini, the former lightweight
champion of the world. He told me, He's like, well,
here's the difference. Bob Aram would be trying to be
your friend. And then at the end he would screw

(23:57):
you on the deal. Don King would to look at
your face, going, you don't want to screw you on
the deal?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right?

Speaker 8 (24:01):
And that's not like that's Hondo. He's like, you lied
to me. Oh, I knew I liked you.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
He's like, I can think of someone else, like Debt.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
Oh, here comes Taylor's hot take. Everybody.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
No, no, I'm not gonna say it.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Wait, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Oh, in the world, but Vanessa is that you'll probably
know the answer to this.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Then I didn't know. I thought Honda was showing up
in this episode in Star Wars. That was my take.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So when he goes, when he goes, uh uh, I
had another Jedi friend or something. Now that I'm hearing say,
is was he talking about obi Wan or Ahsoka.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Obi Wan, obi Wan and Anika or sorry obi Wan?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, that's who when he goes, when he says that
line where he's like, oh, I can think of another.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Friend, yeah he I think he they fought Dooku and
then he later had issues with Grievous.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
Got got you.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'm sure j C can regale you with the specifics. Yeah, Okay, cool.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Maybe j C could also tell us where well maybe
you know this Fanessa or John, where's Hondo from?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Laura?

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Well, that that's where he was known as, right, that
was That's where his onaka gang was in uh In
Cone Wars, as I remember, if I recall correctly. But
this is also why we have JC.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, I just so, I'm so you I love accents
and I love dialects, and so I was just tickled
pink by wherever Hondo is from? Or or was it
one of those situations where where Dave was like, you
know Jim.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Do you think, yeah, yeah, like you know, entrusting.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Someone with you know, of Jim's caliber to come up
with something really fun and really colorful and really entertaining
and interesting and unusual and like and he did. So
maybe it was one of those situations.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, I don't know, but
I think they know what he brings to the party,
and I mean they just kind of they trust him.
And obviously they have so much hillary together from the
Clone Wars. So I mean, if he brought back Rex
and he brought back Hondo, you know, I mean obviously
entails the underworld. He brought back assage Ventris, like I

(26:24):
love it when he does this. I love it when
he does this. So and he knows that clone war
bands love that.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
So yeah, yeah, I had a thought, just one. I'm
just kidding. We've talked about this at length. I feel
like over very you know, in various episodes of this podcast.
So what now? Ezra completely understands Chopper.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Honestly, this has been killing me. The logic of this
makes no sense.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Like whenever I brought this up.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Like you and Chopper are like on the level, Like
just a few episodes, You're like, what is he saying?
And I'm like, oh, you know whatever, Like you have
no idea what he's saying. And now you spend a
whole day together and you're in this pickle and you're
communicating and you understand every last beepy boop and like,
I don't unders I don't understand when it happened.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
This is what.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, exactly, I'm out there doing and while I'm scrubbing
and cleaning, which I'm glad they did that because that
was the thing. And when I was asking, like do
they go to the bathroom, do they do chores? Did
the rush their team yeah, and the fact that gives
him chores. I was like, I like that, but yeah,
I do not understand, and then I guarantee and handle
episodes I wont understand again or something.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Here's the thing. Yeah, no, for sure, I don't know
that you understand him. I know that you give him orders.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
No, but I feel like in this episode, am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Where like he'll like chirp, chirp, chirp something back and
he's like, no, no, yeah, because I.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Ask I asked, like how he got something and then
he says.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Something and you ununderstand it?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, well, yeah, maybe I I don't know.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I also said two episodes go with the inquisitors. He
says to me, goes, wait, you understand it, remember when, right?
Because ZEB does understanding, And I'm like, okay, but it's
all I'm sure people.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Like when he says like Chopper had some of the
best moments, but like when he held up one gun
and then the other gun, I was like, how do
you want to die this way?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Or this was so good?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't know what he said exactly, but I got
the gist of it. So I don't know if it's
a matter of like getting a sense. But if he
did say, like if you asked a specific question, got
a beep and then understood it, then I have no answers.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, when he did the gun thing, I imagine him saying,
say hello to my little friend, say a load to
my literal friend.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Right, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Really, that's the beauty of Chopper because no matter what
you're gonna you're gonna get the gist of what he's saying.
But then people, depending on who you are, like in
your humor and whatever you you fill in the lines
in different ways, which is kind of like what makes
him such a fun character.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That one soldier that got thrown in the air and
he's like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
That is that technically a Wilhelm scream?

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well? J C could say, but that's a that's a
Wilhelm scream, right.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I don't think it was. The will is a specific.
I think that's just somebody doing that scream. Wie is
a very specific sound bite?

Speaker 8 (29:30):
You know that was? You know that jac gave us
the history of that. I think. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
One other fun line when Hondo's like I'm rich and
then he's like, wait, I.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Back to the Wilhelm stream. Something can't be a Wilhelm scream.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
It's just there is.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, that's maybe if anything was probably like a homage
the Wilhelm scream, but the actual Wilhelm scream is a
specific Soundbitey.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
You can either be you can either use the Wilhelm
scream or you can sort of it can be Wilhelm scream.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
Ass, yes, let's all do.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Let's not it's early in the morning. I have a
question that maybe JC, maybe Vanessa, maybe John knows, maybe Wow,
where is this going? Does he does Hondo know that
I'm not Lando.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, not sure. Probably, I mean when.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Like he knows and it's he's just playing along, and
then he continues on with it to a point where
I'm like, here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, it doesn't. I mean, he wouldn't let you know
if he did know. Anyway, he probably does. But but
the fact that he's so amazed that you lied to him,
he probably does believe you and and doesn't think you
would lie to him. He's I don't know. I don't
think it matters. But his character is such that he
would know and not and play.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
You that he that he didn't.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
But at the end, he's like so impressed that he
was lied. You know that this kid lied to him?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So I showed him I've saved. I grabbed him from space.
He had to be gone, right.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Right, I'm going to believe that. I would like to
believe that he genuinely bought it hook Line and Sinker,
Which is funny because you just keep picking on these
like iconic Star Wars characters to use as aliases of
the Lando Clorisian. I think he he bought it, and
then when he realized he'd been duped, he was like,

(31:33):
A right, you're you're not so bad with me?

Speaker 6 (31:35):
Yeah, he's pretty impressed.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, that's more likely. But also he's the type of
person who would know that and play you. So in
a way it doesn't really matter because he's he's not
your friend, right, But so it's hard to say if
he knew or not. I mean, I'm trying to think
maybe Jada, I guess JC would know. God, he's gott

(32:00):
has work cut out for him, doesn't he do?

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Well?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
While we're on it, I'll give him My one philosophical
thing that I always will have on each one is
what does it mean at this time?

Speaker 6 (32:11):
JC?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Of rebels like this time in Star Wars to know
for someone to know that someone else is a Jedi.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Is it like like points in history.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
In the world you wanted to hydro identity because of
what the circumstances of the world are.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
Is it not that big a deal? Is it a surprise?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Like, oh my god, I didn't I thought maybe there
might be a couple, but I don't know, like currently
now I have zero clue, like it does everyone need
to hide their identity as a Jedi or what threat
is that?

Speaker 6 (32:43):
I guess, Well, yeah, I was curious if you had that.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Well, it's well, it's it's a really interesting question because
obviously what that's in our very first episode right where
where you know they find out he's Canaan's like, I'm
about to let everyone in all the secret kid, and
then he you know, reveals that he's a Jedi, and everybody,

(33:09):
including Callous, is like completely stunned that there is a
real life's Jedi alive and well in front of them, right,
So at that time, it was obviously like Canaan wasn't
advertising the fact that he's a Jedi. So it's interesting
that you ask now because doesn't he say Hondo says, like, well,
what I do know is that you are a Jedi,
which is like a huge revelation.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
So I don't know, is.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Your our our Jedi at this time in the timeline,
our Jedi's lives actively at risk if just anybody around
knows if they reveal themselves to be Jedi, because obviously
Order sixty six has happened and then now or doesn't
know that.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's what I'm saying, Like Canaan knows this ever you
everyone on the Ghost probably is, but unless they got
to know, does he it does Kanaan literally.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Look, I don't know if like well, on screen Canaan
did give him the story of this is what happened,
and that's why he hated the Clones. You would have
to assume that in between episodes maybe there would have
been more details and answer your question my own personal
interpretation and jac may negate all of this, which is
why we had the fact checker at the end. But
to me, it's like, this is a time where it
wouldn't be safe for you to be out in the open,

(34:21):
which is why Canaan as the collapsible lightsaber, which is
why as there was a lightsaber, I feel is like
disguise as a blaster that can actually also be a lightsaber,
you know, And I feel like it's just it reminds
me of like The Incredibles or Watchmen, when superheroes are
in the open, but then it came a time where,
like the Incredibles had to hide until they were able

(34:42):
to be superheroes in public. Again, that's kind of how
I view the Jedi in this point in like the
years before Battle of Yavin Star Wars timeline. But again, JC,
if this is all on negated by all means, I
won't be offended because I want to be correct, but
that's how I personally interpret it.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I have a quick question. Oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
If there are If the Clones have a chip in
their head that is programmed to murder Jedi Order sixty
six happened, I believe that chip is still there. If
Hondo finds out that you're a Jedi, that's a piece
of information that he can use against you. The minute
he lets the Imperials know that you're a Jedi, your
days are numbered. The reason Canaan doesn't love the Clones

(35:24):
is because they have that chip and could kill him
at any time. He watched his master die. There's it's
not a good vibe. And definitely, if you survive to
Order sixty six, you better keep a low profile because
you're not in a good place. You're in the minority,
and if people know that about you, they own you
to a certain ex So I love that he said

(35:47):
it and then laughed because I was like, ugh, not
so well.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Then my question is to that is okay? So then
what was the what happened? Like? Is was there an
event that happened that then changed all that?

Speaker 5 (36:07):
For the Jedi battle y Aven would be like that.
I would say, yeah, the death of battle y abn
that I would have to think.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
So.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
But again, Jac, now that tropparts and it really fall
back there, uh uh yeah, real quick. So I have
a question for you, Taylor, because I know at the time,
if I'm not mistaken, because you talked about this when
d was on, you were studying philosophy when you were
recording the show, and you still study for I think
we're all philosophy students one way or another. And I

(36:36):
see a lot of like I see Plato's allegory, I
see kreker Guard stages of life, I see Carl Young's
confronting the shadow. I see Nietzsche's a turn of recurrent.
So I'm sure that came to mind for you now,
But were you consciously thinking about that, especially at the
end when and of course jow So Campbell too, when
as I was like, yeah, I Hondo is kind of
like the path.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
That I was, and I'm not that anymore. I know
where I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Was any that come into your mind at that time
as a philosophy student, be like, oh, this is Joseph Campbell,
this is this and that fuel of your performance.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
That's such a funny question because it's it kind of
goes to that thing that I was.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's a good question, that thing I was saying, like
a handful episodes where I don't know how much all
the characters we've played have affected us, Like you got
to think. I was maybe twenty one. My bachelor's greet
isn't philosophy. So I chose at that time to study philosophy,
and if it comes from some of this or if
it's the other way around. I had been setting philosophy,

(37:29):
and then because I would be reading during these sessions
often I remember I would just sit down and I
would be reading some of stuff that I was going through.
But then like when I hear this last scene, it's
like the last thing you'd study. I had been doing
Shakespeare not long ago, and my mind's been in that,
and I saw it as like the end of Sonnets,
where there's a rhyming scheme, a couple that sums up

(37:50):
everything that was said, and that with Freddy, that conversation
felt like the end of like, here's where we're at
right now, you know what I mean. He came in,
you met this team at the very episode one, and
then he could have gone this way, and he's saying
he's saying this way, and it's like the exact sort
of Shakespeare and structure of okay, and now we're here
and we'll go to the next one type of thing.
But I mean, the whole thing is so Joseph Campbell right,

(38:17):
like he could go this way and it's interesting and
I like that. He even says it's a little among those,
but he's like that old meat would have done that
and knew me does that? Like I feel like you
did get that. When he's talking with Hondo and it's
like pirate Jedi sounds pretty sick. I think he says
something of the sort, and I was even like, yeah,

(38:38):
that'd be really cool. But that's maybe the growth of everything.
But to your question, I think, yeah, I think you
can sort of what I'm realizing is relate everything to rebels,
whether it be philosophy or psychology or Shakespeare, any any
story sort of any decent story kind of mirrors itself

(38:58):
in a way. But it was definitely standing out this
because I remember the only conversations I really had with
Dave were about Joseph Campbell.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
He was the one who told me to read.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
That refuse all of the call. That's that's I mean, that.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Was Yeah, it's taking the next box.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
I love that, you know, and it's I'm sure it's
like you appreciate even more, like ten years removed and
all this stuff, and I still continue to study it.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
I think.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
I just think that's why shows like this are special,
because you can see like the foundation that's laid in,
But then as you grow as a person and you
understand a little bit more about the world than yourself,
you see those themes right there, and they made it
very accessible, like you could be someone who's you know,
in elementary school and you're going to get the lesson
because they laid after you're like, oh, I see my
old self and I'm not that anymore. But then as

(39:41):
you get older, it's like, oh, even though like he's
not using expansive vocabulary, the themes and the layering and
implications are so rich and deep that as an adult like,
oh wow, like using those simple words to give this
very complex uh evaluation, O where you are? I think
that's just really cool. And that's the beauty of this show.
I think, and you know, I think this show is
pretty good. I guess, is what I'm saying. You know,

(40:05):
let's talk about Visago real quick and has a quick
thing uh and Keith and I don't know how to
I know his first name is Keith and I'm blanking
on his last name, but he always just kills it
as Vizago and he's hysterical in this episode and when
he sends Chopper and Azra and the escape his guy
hate kids and me and that Bernie Mac thing where
I can't say it because we're a kid friendly show,

(40:27):
but if you look at the Bernie Mac gift for
me and you'll you'll know what I'm talking about. But
that's that's where my brain went, and I just thought
we should uh talk on that little comic relief of
the episode. And we also need Ezra's dual lingo score.
Maybe that'll shed light on why he's further along and
understanding Chopper than zeb Is.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
You know, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
We're just suddenly able to you know, understand that perfectly.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
And then yeah, I don't think you can lodge it.
What I'm realizing is I want to logic out Star
Wars and he can't do that, like the force. The
force is whatever we want it to be, seemingly, because
if you can do so many of these things physically
and also mentally, if you can Jedi mind trick someone

(41:12):
or a group of people, why could you not just
understand them. It's that to me, he goes, it's so
much easier to understand someone than to Jedi mind, you
know what I mean. Like, but there aren't really rules
to it, because the biggest roles you have to false
story structure and then you know what I mean exactly
higher gyme.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Everything is plot's got to work.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
So therefore this and I think that's why you have
such fun, fruitful lively debate within Star Wars fans and
any big fandom that keeps growing and wanting to add
pillars to the capitalist structure that is, and so when
you put them in, you gotta kind of shoehorn in
with well, we said that it works this way, but

(41:52):
now it's going to work that way.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
I love you, just like Goodwile Hunting basically Star Wars
just with all that logic. You know, it's like you
forgot about Vickers, you know, work in EXAs County kind
of that. Let's just I'm just going to give you
that credit. So I think, like, I don't know, if
there's anything else you want to cover, Remind everybody it
was something.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, uh As Morgan.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
Hello, that's right, James Hong, Oh my god, how do
I forget?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I mean, he you know, I love him so much,
and I just I remember, I think as I don't
know if you were a tailor sign, I don't know
if you were in New York or that was the
first time that As Morgan was the part of this,
but I know he usually joined us via Zoom, and
it was just sort of like he he was on

(42:40):
Zoom or the equivalent thereof at that time. But I
don't know, he just really got into it, like with this,
you know, as far as like patting things a little
bit like Hondo. He he really just like chewed the
scenery and crushed it. But I just remember all of
us kind of going.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Yeah, he'p had it even more.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I remember looking at Humanisa I was sitting like he
was sitting in a chair.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
He's an older gentleman.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
He's fantastic, and I was standing behind him and we
were on zoom, but I don't think he even knew
the zoom was going.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
He was doing all this.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I remember look at you guys being like I can
feel what's happening, and it is wild is it coming
through that way? But it's then when you see the animation,
you're like, it's perfect.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
It works so well between James being like that cooky
kind of diabolically kooky, hilarious as Morgan and Jim being.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
That like just smooth like he's it's so funny.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
His performance is Hondo, and then you've got Psycholorevizago. I
feel like we just had like these gem performances of
these like supporting cast members and characters.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, like let him cook.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I would watch a show just the three of them
just bouncing around up to no good around the galaxy.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Last thing that I was curious of is I saw
that a character and Skeleton Crew is Hondu and Naka
the same uh species as as the guy from Skeleton Crew.
I don't know which I want. The guy that looks
very similar as like a pirate.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Might be the same race because there were a bunch
of pirates who looked exactly like him in if you
ever watched Clone Wars, you'll see a bunch of them.
It's possible. You know, a lot of them are like
bounty hunters and scoundrels and this and that, but it
doesn't necessarily mean they knew each other.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, and the music is it the first time we've
heard the do It wasn't the Rebels theme.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
It was the you know what?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
You know what I'm saying, like the like the original
Star Wars roads.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
You you on?

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I feel like we might have heard piccolo versions of that, Yeah,
I'd like, could be wrong.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
I don't know if anything.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Maybe in Spark Rebellion because that was like a direct
tie end to kind of bridge a gap between Star
Wars fans and non, but I don't know. That's a
great question because I know for sure they used the
Skywalker thing that I'm for sure to use that, but yeah,
I didn't. I didn't even think about that. That's that's
a that's a JC question. And I love and I
love the uh the Skeleton Crew call out because that
was actually one of my favorite shows to release, and

(45:30):
a lot I just because I love the Goonies and
I love E T and that whole eighties Spielbergian sort
of feel, and I felt like it captured that. It
was it was fun, So I do appreciate that, and
uh what, Okay, one last thing, I just realized, like
we have like a Hall of Fame lineup of voice
actress present company included obviously, but you think about the
fact on paper you got Jim Cummings, Deep Bradley Baker,

(45:52):
James Hong and then Vanessa Marshall, Ain Steve Bloom as
series regulars, and then you got Taylor, then you got Tea,
then you got Freddie. This is a hall of Fame lineup,
like dream team of actors on this episode. It's I
just thought of that now, like, wow, look at this cast.
This is stacked and this is like episode six of

(46:13):
season two. That's that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
You know, there's there's one other thing that I kind
of want to acknowledge that at the in this episode,
Ezra is questioning things. I've got Jedi practice, I've got this, ah,
come on, you know, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
But no.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
But but what I love about Ezra is that he rebels,
or he questions things, or he doesn't just accept, oh,
I'm going to Jedi school. That I love when he
wrestles with things and then comes out the other end.
I think we've had other versions of this where we're
not sure if he's going to continue being this sort
of miscrant kid who gets along fine on his own,

(46:51):
or if he's going to join this family to see
him go From the beginning of the episode, you know,
really not loving this experien of learning to be a Jedi,
the responsibility of at the classes and cleaning, it's just
a lot. But that he sees Hondo so clearly as
out for himself and he says, you know, I used
to be like that, and now I have you guys,

(47:13):
it was for me another delightful return to my faith
in Ezra's ethical makeup. But I also really respect that
when he doesn't just accept things, he needs to kind
of wrestle with it. I mean, Rex says, what's his problem,
and Canaan says like, I don't know. This is a
new thing. So for me, I just love that your

(47:35):
character had so much integrity to just question everything and
is almost tempted in one second to go be with
Hondo because you grew up that way to a certain extent.
But I just wanted to acknowledge that because that was
very fulfilling to watch that he sort of came back
to his family at the end of the episode. I
thought that gave me the feels. I love that.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, and I agree, And I think it's cool because
now knowing where the whole show goes, I'm like, oh,
you need these to show rungs of the ladder of
being able to get to a place where you could
make a sort of ultimate sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Hey, hey, hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Well, you could just be sacrificing his meal. I don't
say what it was.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, he was to go back to your question.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
No, no, I was just going to say the piggyback
of Vanessa said, and it's like, that's reminded me of
like the high school Kid. It's almost like an episode
of Glee. Like I like singing, but also I'm really
good at basketball, Like which one do I do? I
do band practice or basketball practice? Uh, It's like it's
that was like my other pop culture comp but ahead
in the game and hit that high sea.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I was just gonna answer your question or I don't
know if it was a question, but to your point
that you were making, I genuinely like felt I mean,
I felt like I hit the jack pop for like
you know, I had done like a couple of voiceover
things where I did like one episode of Phineas and
Ferd That was the very first thing I ever did
voiceover wise. And then I did a movie which I

(49:20):
think I've told you about. If you like dinosaurs, please
check it out Walking with Dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Very sweet.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
But so then, you know, to be on a show
like as a series regular on a show, an animated
show that just happens to be Star Wars, no big deal,
can't really get bigger or better than that, And then
to be surrounded with like the talent, the caliber of
talent every week with like you know, my my co stars,
and then to like.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Week after week.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
To get the types of guest stars that we had
was just like, I mean, I felt like truly i'd
like hit the jackpot or won the lottery, like to
get I was trying, you know, to be as much
of a sponge as possible and just like soak up
as much knowledge or just just to watch, you know,
their performances and see what they were able to do

(50:10):
and the places they could go. And I say, they,
I'm talking about all of these guys. But then you know,
then we get Dee or James Arnold Taylor or you
know Jim who can do like one million voices and
you know it's just the And then you've got like
David o' yellowo is far callous, like and he came

(50:31):
in and recorded.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Did he record with us? You guys? Yeah? And I
was like, what's happening this? I mean, what is happening?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
This is just amazing to be surrounded with like such
incredibly talented and gifted voiceover actors on camera actors people
who do both. You know, we like to not differentiate here,
but and then just like really really nice people. They

(51:00):
all turned out to be really really nice people. It's
kind of hard to believe, So I agree with you, John.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
It was always just.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Like just banger after banger would be like, who's coming.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
The only thing is that.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
I feel like Dave didn't trust us with a couple
people like James Earl Jones did not. He did not
let him.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Record New York. He was in New York Theater at
the time.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Oh okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
And then Billy d Williams. We were like, let's cool,
are we recording with him? And he was like, no,
absolutely not, you are not. I felt like there were
certain people that he was like, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna subject this person.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
To this group.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
But I think also Billy de was on Dance with
the Stars and I'll do the thing over there. That's fine,
that's so cool. I love that, And I imagine you
know that had to serve to you. And one because
you obviously continued doing voiceover roles but also live action roles,

(52:00):
and because to me it's like the voice is so powerful.
Obviously an animation because that's going to fuel everything going there,
but like live action too, Like I'm always drawn to
actors who have like obviously interesting faces and features, but
their voices, like the voices drive everything, and I would
imagine being in this like masterclass with these power players

(52:21):
was like, oh, I even know more ways to level
up and layer what I'm doing on camera, and I
think that's just so cool.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, I think. I mean, there's such different animals.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I don't know if you guys would agree, there's such
different animals, and you utilize such different parts of your
kind of toolkit, I guess, but certainly there's like one
informs the other and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Like there's you know ways that I feel like.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Playing Subine for all those years, only getting to use
my voice was really helpful to you know, which is all.
It's all helpful, right, it's all. It all informs the
rest of what you do, and it's all like additional
tools in your toolkit.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
So yeah, definitely, And getting just just just as a.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Fan to get to see, to get to like an
up close look at these performances was such a gift.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah, imagine when you get to see the masters up close,
it's cool. It's like, I don't know if you've ever
been able to watch like an NBA or NFL practice
up close and it's like wow, like you see why
this is the one percent, you know what I mean,
Like you don't understand its really see it up close.
But then once you see, like holy let alone working
with it and seeing their process, and it's just so
inspiring but also motivating, and it gives you something tangible

(53:46):
to look at to go, oh, I know how to
level up now, Like I can visibly see the other
level that I can build towards. And you have all
you know, masters of their class setting the example. So
which is something we can all take an hour of
a day life, I think to bring it back to philosophy,
uh and all that good stuff. So I think it's

(54:09):
I think it's that time. I think hopefully Jac's had
enough time behind the scenes to compile of his notes.
It's time for fact check with our guy JC. Here
comes the next hour of the show. Because you've got
a lot.

Speaker 7 (54:22):
Okay, I apologize, I have I have the baby again today,
so she may start yelling, but we'll try to get
through this quick.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
If you get a fact wrong, she's gonna.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
The thing I noticed, the one note I had on
the show, which I'm sure nobody else in the world noticed,
is when Ezra steals the ship and is taking off,
he flies past a ship. Did anybody clock what ship
that is?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I saw that past the ship, But yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
But I want you to say JC, yeah, I don't
want to trust me, you.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Don't want to steal J.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
Well, it's a Soro sub corporate personal luxury three.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Thousand corporate person area.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Now why is that?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's not a word?

Speaker 7 (55:19):
Here's here's sure you got it. But here's why it's
so interesting. And this is how you know that the
people who made rebels behind the scenes were on it.
That is the model of ship that Lando Kelisian flies
in the Star Wars Legends. Timothy's on books called the

(55:39):
Lady Luck, so Ezra literally flies by Lando's ship the
Lady Luck on his adventure and then uses the name
Lando Kelorisiane.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
That's the coolest part of this entire episode what you
just said, and that is stuff that I'm obviously right
over my head.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
That's incredible, Lady lady.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
Yeah, Timothy's on In the air to the Empire series,
Glenn Davis did go to LSU. You guys mentioned the
Millennium Falcon Ride. The proper name is Smuggler's Run.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Smugglers.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
We talked about Hondo, so Hondo is a week Way
from the planet sree Lure, which is uh not the
same as Florum, which is the planet where his pirate
base was. Week Ways come from a harsh desert planet,
which is why they were kind of like Jaba's henchman,

(56:41):
because Tatuin is a harsh desert planet. The I believe
that Hondo and his vocal patterns we never we met
Weekways in Return of the Jedi, but I think Hondo
is the first one to ever speak, so Jim was
not taking something that had happened before. This seems as

(57:01):
if it was a invention of Jim and Dave Filoni
at some level of each random fact, because I know
we all are. We all like to think of ourselves
as intellectuals. The name we Quey was dubbed such for
that species, based on creek Way from Herman Melville's Moby Dick.

Speaker 9 (57:26):
Whoah, yeah, but just because just that they were originally
called like creeek Ways on the set of Return of
the Jedi, and then when Pablo Hidelgo or whoever went
in and named.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
The species, they just changed it to a week So
we quay. Yeah, that does Hondo know that Ezra is
not Lando? Well? If he was paying attention to the episode,
he'd know that Lando's ship flew by, and but I
don't think he was. My gut was that he didn't

(58:04):
know specifically. But obviously Lando at this point is notorious
enough in the underworld as a name, but likely his
image isn't all over the place, you know, like think
about us. We all know who al Capone is, but
have you ever seen an image of al Capone that
wasn't like Robert de Niro from The Untouchables. Probably not,

(58:25):
so I think that he probably thought it was plausible
that this was Lando and was going to go with
it until otherwise. Just for the people paying attention at home,
Lando and Hondo actually do meet about a year after
the Battle of Yavin on the Halcion Galactic star Cruiser

(58:47):
in Halcion Legacy, episode four comic book. So they did
meet and go on a little adventure together on board
the Galactic star Cruiser, which we all could have gone
on at some point, and I did go on, which
was a podcast for another episode Life Changingly Awesome. But
so they did meet, but they meet a few years

(59:10):
after the events that take place in this episode. Taylor,
you would ask how do you know if someone is
a Jedi at this point.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
Or like, what does it mean?

Speaker 8 (59:17):
What is the threat?

Speaker 7 (59:18):
So, as Vanessa touched on, Hondo spent time with Jedi.
So a lightsaber, telekinesis all of those things, Hondo is
going to look at that, and I'd be like, Oh,
this is a magic trick. He's going to look at
it and be like, Oh, I know Jedi and you're
a Jedi. Then we talked about did Jedi need to
hide their abilities? What's the threat? And again for people

(59:41):
listening at home, I'm pulling a lot from like Legends
and pre million Disney comic books, but I would compare
being a Jedi right now almost to be like a
Jewish person in nineteen forty two Germany, where you don't
want anybody to know that you are you have these

(01:00:02):
abilities because you will be hunted and you will be killed.
And you see a little bit of that in Tales
of the Underworld with Oris Singh and that Jedi kid
that is in that. But you also have to think
that most people in the galaxy have never crossed paths
with a Jedi. If there are millions of worlds and

(01:00:24):
tens of thousands of Jedi. You're probably never going to
cross paths with that. You know, think like how many
how many people in the United States cross paths within
a list celebrity? Not very many, right, you see them
on TV. Hear about it a coffee. But yeah, yeah,
but you're not You're not going to know. So then

(01:00:45):
when the Empire takes over and it's been a handful
of years, and I'm sure there's no historical precedence for
this whatsoever, but like you can start to erase history. Hey,
you've never met a Jedi. The Jedi were construct of
the Old Republic to keep you in line. Jedi weren't real.
Those weren't magic abilities. It's like the Ghostbusters they use

(01:01:08):
light show and things like that. The Jedi are not
a thing. Because nobody knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord,
and Darth Vader was not the vice president of the
Empire like Grandma Tarkan was more in that. Darth Vader
was kind of like the boogeyman of the Empire, and

(01:01:29):
you know, maybe you heard about him, but he was
not front and center in public Holinnet broadcasts. So you know,
at this point, again, like Tia you mentioned, you know,
Canaan's hiding. Why do you think Canaan takes his lightsaber
apart so it doesn't look like a lightsaber on his belt,
looks like a calmlink and a whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Is.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
I think being a Jedi at this point is a
very very serious thing that you don't want anybody to know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It makes it even cooler than whenever like that in
the early episode he does pull it out, or anytime
they expose it because there it's a real danger.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
To do that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah, they're risking their lives.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Joh. You guys mentioned Visago, John you mentioned Keith was
his first name. I'm going to butcher his last name,
trying to spell it. Last name is Zara Baca s
z a r A b A j k A place
vis Ago. We talked about languages again and Chopper and

(01:02:30):
uh not trying to head like out logic the plot.
I will say there is president to show that the
Force can help you translate foreign languages to you, and
I think a lot of that. And what they talk
about is that the Force connects you to other living

(01:02:55):
things on an emotional level. Right, life creates it makes
it grow so in a way like if you and
I experience emotions in the same way. It makes it
easier for me to Jedi mind trick you. It makes
me easier for me to understand what you're saying, even
if I don't understand the nuance. Perhaps I don't get

(01:03:18):
the joke you're telling, but I know what you're trying
to get at when you're communicating through the force, which,
to take it one step further is why why is
it so difficult for you can't Jedi mind trick a hut.
You can't Jedi mind trick a toyd Arian like Watto.
Why is that? Well, it's perhaps the way that they
experience life and emotions and connect to life is so

(01:03:43):
divergent from the way that like Obi Wan Kenobi or
Luke Skywalker another humanoid does that you can't bridge that gap. Well,
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Interesting, So you would you? Sorry? Do you mind if
I ask you a quick question? Does that mean? Like it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
It's what you're saying is true? Which I believe everything
you tell us uh to be. You know, the gospel,
basically the Star Wars Gospel. So does that mean that Taylor, Taylor, Sorry,
now I'm doing it in reverse, that Ezra's connection to
the force or his you know, ability to you know

(01:04:24):
that his force sensitivity is is growing exponentially, and that's
why suddenly he can understand Chopper, because not to not
too long ago, he'd be like, what did this guy say?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
What's he saying? Blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
And now they're just like conversing, having full on conversations
in the middle of like a needing to escape and
you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
And and they are both able to communicate with each other.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
So is that because he is getting stronger with the
force or the force is stronger in him.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
He couldn't even grab anything and I can hold someone.

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I will say a couple of things vious legends
cannon droids are not alive. Thus they are invisible in
the force, and you would not be able to gain
that ability to understand adroid or something through the force
because the forces of energy feel created by all living things.

(01:05:19):
Life connects, it makes it grow, So a robot would
exist outside of that. However, in Disney canon, that kind
of was swept away. What I think we can find
the happy medium is is Ezra's just been with spent
a lot more time with Chopper, right and it's like

(01:05:40):
I have a six month old baby who's yelling over there.
I start to understand what the baby is saying and
needs based on the fact that I've been with them
for six months instead of one month, or similar to
like a dog, right, you know how you just sometimes
know what your dog needs or oh you're not like, hey, Taylor,

(01:06:01):
I think your dog needs to go for a walk.
Oh no, he just wants to eat. How do you
know that? But you just know based on proximity and
time spent with them. So there's my happy medium to
bridge the gap between my retcon, my Star Wars story
team explanation for that, and then the last thing we have, Taylor,

(01:06:24):
you asked about Skeleton Crew. The character you were referencing
is named Vain. Vain is a Nitgo nickto, not a
week Way. You can differentiate, and it's a little confusing
because Honda's always wearing a hat. A Nitgo is also
part of job as stooges, but they have horns on

(01:06:46):
their head and are Reptilian, whereas a week Way is
like a really really bad, like South Beach type tan
leathery skin wrinkle.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
When I thought I couldn't like Hondo, more.

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
The character Vain also appears in The Mandalorian First and
there's an episode of The Mandalorian where his kind of
Mandalorian pirate gang goes gets wiped out, and then he
goes and must join Crimson Jack's Mandalorian gang for Skeleton Crew.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
One quick question back on the Jedi and needing to
keep a low profile, is Ezra aware of that? I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I mean, given that Canaan just explained his trauma in
the in the episode with Rex, I thought he would
be aware and and sort of deduced from that, like, wow,
you know that we're not We're I don't know, because Ezra,
you asked if he understood all that. I mean, Taylor, Sorry.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Here's I mean, here's my here's my again, my head
cannon explanation for it is that Ezra I got I
almost screwed it up again. Ezra at this point is
fourteen years old. Fifteen years old. I know when I
was fourteen or fifteen, I was invincible. I was like,
I'm on a plane. If this plane crashes, everybody's going

(01:08:14):
to die but me. This does not apply to me.
I am invincible. I know everything about everything there is
to know, look at all of these great abilities I have.
Now I have a gun lightsaber in my hand. Who
out there? What little person out there without these abilities?
Is my abilities are growing so fast? Is going to

(01:08:36):
be able to Who do I have to worry about
because he doesn't have the weight of life behind him
that Canaan does to be like, Oh no, what you
don't understand is I lived through the slaughter of thousands
of Jedi. I watched it with my own eyes. This
can happen, and it can happen by clones who who

(01:09:00):
We're grown in a lab. You don't need this is
just you can be out numbered, you can be this,
You can be this. So I think it's more like
youthful arrogance than it is, uh, you know, not understanding,
not intellectually understanding the threat that it poses.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Got it cool? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Wow, JC, we really are well, Don really, you gave
you a lot and you crushed it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
No surprise there will don JC.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Can I appreciate your Stanley Kubrick like noncommittal answer to
some of those things? You know, you left it out
in the open, as supposed to Spielberg, who likes to
just wrap it up. You did find a happy meeting
between those two, So yeah, that's good. And I like
that you ended on the whole arrogance and ignorance of
youth sort of thing. I think that's an important lesson
to take out of it, because sometimes as a younger person,

(01:09:51):
when someone more experienced you may have been the same field,
tries to tell you like, hey, lit's this is my experiences.
You can't understand it until you experience it yourself sort
of thing. And I think, if I'm not mistaking, and
that's what you're alluding to just now. But also it's
something that as I've gotten older, I realized, oh, that's
what they.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
Meant when they were telling me this. Yeah, when you
get older twenty years old.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
Yeah, there's a lot of reflection that takes place right
where you're just like, oh ah, I was told that
by somebody, but I really just made it, made myself
learn it the hard way, didn't I yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
D a million times, But until I touched it, I
didn't know.

Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
I mean, the one for me is just like my
grandfather told me when I was twenty one, He's like,
start saving money now, invest money now. And I was
like I know everything. I'll be rich, it doesn't matter.
And then you're at like, all of a sudden, you're
thirty nine years old and you're like, oh, well, it's
this camera is getting really heavy on my back. I

(01:10:50):
don't know how lo is it longer? I'm going to
be able to shoot events all day. I wish I
had some money in the bank, right, But when you're
twenty one, I had told me.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
Ira and VT side.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
So this is for early kids out there. Invest your
money now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
And there's our financial lesson from our fact checker JC.
To cap it all off, We're just going to keep
having subcategories. Well, this was well, you know, it's funny
with the episode was pretty light. It's not like a
lot of big things happened. But at the same time,
the layering and and everything with it. I thought this
was going to be a quick episode of the podcast.
We ended up a lot more to talk about. So

(01:11:28):
I think that's just goes to testament to the writing,
but also just everything that everyone puts into it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
So quick shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
There were a couple other people this weekend in Houston.
There's an incredible artist named Anna who sometimes has even
further fact check information, and I invited her in person
to give us further fact check in. But we were
looking to her during our panel that we did. I

(01:11:57):
can't remember what exactly the detail was to. I don't
know if you remember.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Oh, I remember, hi, Anna, if you're listening the oh
we were doing a panel and our moderator asked, was
Sabine royalty j The answer is no, right, I mean,
they were like a noble family, the Rens, but they
weren't technically royalty like Stine or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
I don't think so. I mean Kreese is the the
lineage right, Satin and Bocatan and all of that. But
also I mean I'm not sure, but is Mandalorian kind
of like most royalty where it's a little inbred to
the point that you're like, well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
That makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I've been trying to figure this character out for a minute,
no kidding, And.

Speaker 7 (01:13:01):
Could you trace the linea sure?

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
I wonder why they wear helmets.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Well, anyway, Anna, you can Anna, you can always at
us moving forward with any further information that you have
that you know, if we left any stone unturned. I
we love interacting with fans. We love getting sports jerseys
that are going to help us have more fun at
a convention. If anyone has any ideas or anything like that,
we're open our email again. John is part of Rebellion

(01:13:33):
at Gmail or part of a rebellion podcast, is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:13:36):
The second what part of rebellion podcast at gmail?

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Gmail? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
So everyone keep continuing to write in and give us feedback, questions,
all that good stuff because we love communicating. So thank
you for that, Anna, and we look forward to seeing
you soon and thank you for your gifts.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
Yeah, love that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
Thank you Mike Kennedy too, and also to our listeners,
think of the football equivalents of the characters, because I
think that's a fun exercise. And Mike Kennedy, if you're
gonna make football jerseys, my one request I would have
and I don't want to speak on half anybody else here,
but if you're going to get football jerseys, I prefer
the lineman cut. And if you are a football player,
you know what that means. The lineman cuts the ones
that are elastic here and it's a little more you know,

(01:14:15):
cut off, like that's the cut you want. Usually the
standard cuts like a T shirt cut.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
The more.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I learned this my freshman year at Illinois. When one
of the savvy seniors is like, yo, make sure you
ask for the lineman cut.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
Like what you mean, He's like, just trust me.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
I'm like, Oh, those are the ones that look cooler
with the shoulder pads and everything. So always asks for
the lineman cut. There's a little football jersey hack for
the day. But until then, I think, and now we know,
and knowing is half the battle. I can't say the
last part because I think that's protected by IP, so
we'll just say the magic words that Taylor gets his
out on you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:47):
The music.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
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