May 13, 2025 • 49 mins
From the return of fyrnocks to Ezra facing his fears and learning to power of forgiveness to possible nods to 2001 A Space Odyssey? And Tseebo was voiced by an Ally McBeal alum?! The group discusses this, the powerful messages in Star Wars Rebels and much much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sound crazy, but I do believe everyone had this at
some point. I remember like sitting at the kitchen counter
when my parents are gone everything and eating cereal, and
it was after I'd seen Matilda, and I would be like.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Move the box, Move the box.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're listening to The Potter Rebellion. I'm Taylor Gray Specter six,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Here with Marshall Specter two, voice of Harrison Doula. And
I'm also here with Hi.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
I'm Tsir car Sabine Rent Specter five, and with us
we have Hi.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
I'm John Lee Brody, nonspector bufull On moderator, and we're
so well rehearsed here at the Potter Rebelling and we
are here to talk about season one, episode nine, gathering horses.
Let's go or hang on, as Harro would say, how
are you guys? So just that's why I ent to
our listeners. I know you listen week after week and
you get these consecutively, but we take some break in
(01:00):
between recordings, and it's actually been a minute since we've
seen each other, so I just want to do a
quick check in. How's everybody doing? I miss you guys,
and I'm just happy to be back with you.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, I did. Oh, it's nice to see your lovely
faces after a while.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, And I mean it's it comes out at different times,
but while we're recording it is our motto is birthday,
I just want to say happy birthday.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ye spectacular same.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I had the same birthday as Diane Lane and also
on my twenty second birthday two thousand and six, Kobe
Bryant the Lakery. Kobe Bryant scored eighty one points, which is,
as you know, the second most in NBA history, second
one to Wilt Chamberlain. But yeah, so it's a significant
day in more ways than one.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I guess I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That is cool. I mean birthday segue. This episode was
a continuation.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It was yes, because I was like, how is he
steal his birthday?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I love that more first half of his birthday like
a month and a half ago or something weeks and
weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, It's like it's like, man, this is like the
longest episode of twenty four somehow, you know, it's just
like that's the whole season of twenty fours. As for
Bridger's birthday, basically is what we're getting with these two episodes.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
John, I'm excited to hear your recap. It's been a
minute since we've gotten these snazzy recaps.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I know, I got to like shake off the rust
a little bit. And it's like because it's almost like
it's a fun challenge each week, so everyone like I
write the recaps myself, and I don't always write it
in order, like something in the episode be like, oh,
that reminds me of this, and that's where I'll start,
and I'll kind of just frank and stun it together.
But now it's like a welcome pressure each week, like, Okay,
I need to I can't let my friends down on
(02:42):
the podcast or listeners, however many there may be.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So hopefully you haven't.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You've done such a good joke that I know it's
not AI. You know there's sometimes people do give a speech.
You're like that that could be AI. Oh, yours are
so personal that there's no way that there's.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
No way all chat, all the eighties movie references and
NBA references, there's no way. Yeah, No, you could never
should right one, I just flight it in notice it.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That would be a great like a great Bravo competition show.
It's like me versus chat GPT for the Potter Rebellion recaps,
and I think that could be something, or it might
be the stunt sky in.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I don't know, maybe we shouldn't go there. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, well maybe when we do our live episode whenever
that happens.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And yeah, and also like the other ai, Ellen Iverson,
I do talk about because I do practice these recaps too,
So Allen Iverson, I am talking about practice.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We're talk about practice, all right.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
So without further ado, I guess we should get into
our recap for season one, episode nine, Gathering Forces.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Shouldn't we last?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Please?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
All right, let's do it. Season one ups nine Gathering Forces.
Original air date November seventeen, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
The episode picks up where last one left off. A
flight of tie fighters is doing a full blown attack.
Sebol drops a bombshell on Ezra, saying he knows what
happened to his parents. Cats and dogs are living together.
In other words, it's mass asteria, and you could say
that the Empire is looking to be total ghostbusters with
their full bown attack unintended, the crew nearly escape by
making a jump to hyperspace with the help of Sebo,
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and though Sibo may have saved the Ghost Creuse, saving
the French with Ezra will be a much taller order.
But before any of these issues can be resolved, it
is revealed that the Empire has a device that can
track them even while in hyperspace. When it's revealed that
tracking device actually landed on the Falcon, Canaan comes up
with an idea to detach the Falcon Wall in hyperspace
and misdirect the Empire and the inquisitor of the Fort
and Axis at your brief heart to heart, what's the
(04:38):
being about his feelings about Siebo condul halt. Ezra goes
with Canaan to commence Operation Detash the Fantom in hyperspace,
and it's done in such a stylistic way it could
give the Stargate sequence in two thousand and one a
space out to see a run for its money.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You should look it up. It's a great movie.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Upon getting to Ford in Axis, Canaan tells Ezra they
must connect with the farnockx Azra's unsure he can do it, because,
like Rocky Balboa and Rocky three, Ezra is afraid Canaan
encourages young padd and want to face what he's afraid of,
and finally, like a breakthrough in psychotherapy, Azra admits he's
afraid he's like Tom Cruise and a few good men
and can't handle the truth. And through this realization, Azra
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becomes like Lucascott in season three on One Tree Hill
and chooses the path of forgiveness and extends that to Sebo.
With that forgiveness, as There's mind is opened up and
he's able to tap into his space Mowgli force powers
and become the ultimate Fernock Whisperer. This turn of events
also gives Sebo clarity, which includes knowing what really happened
to Ezra's parents, information he shares with hera. Meanwhile, the
Empire rise at an axis the Inquisitor in Canaan have
(05:31):
been an epic lightsaber battle, which doesn't go well for Kanaan.
The Inquisitor then threatens Azra, which prompts him to angrily
erase the powerful word of No, which summons a Superfernock.
While the super sized Fernock keeps the Inquisitor busy, Canaan
and Azra are able to fly away from forward in axis.
When Ezra gets back to the Ghost, he's in need
of some alone time as he looks out into Sace
all by his lonesome, Sabine comes to check on him
(05:52):
and tells him she restored the disc from his parents' computer,
which turns out to be an old family photo of
Ezra and his parents. And like the Dolly and a
Penny Roger song, this gesture from Sabina is perhaps the
greatest gift of all, thus making this indeed something of
a happy birthday for young Ezra Richard. And that is
Season one, episode nine, Gathering Horses.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Wow. Yes, there was a lot in this one. Wow,
well done, Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
No pressure.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But I started to watch like this time. I started
to watch the episode and wonder to myself as I'm watching,
how's John gonna? You know, what's the first John's recap
going to be? But you exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Thank you, I aimed please. And also I was wondering
the same thing like okay, this this, oh my god,
wait this, oh wait what hold on stop if you
talk about that phrase ten pounds in a five pound bag.
This episode had so much, but at the same time,
wasn't overwhelming, you know, it was just like the perfect
balance of everything.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I've never heard ten pounds and a five pound bag.
But I don't know if this is a Texas thing,
but I say a ten pound sausage and a five
pound casing.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Is all we need is matth McConaughey to come on,
go now, hold on, held out. You know, I like
to ilight say fifteen and a ten, but if you
want to say ten, you do the best ten you
can have. So how are we feeling after this? There's
a lot of I have a lot of notes on this.
There's a lot of great quotes. There's another great kitchen
(07:35):
scene between Sabine and Ezra, which was a great full
circle almost with the first episode. And I guess I'll
go right there right away because I remember on the
first episode of this podcast and of Star Wars Rebels,
how there was so much weight behind what Sabine says
about Ezra as what I'm in your parents, Sabine says
the Empire. And then here now that we know a
(07:57):
little bit more about Sabine from the Out of Darkness episode,
when she's urging Ezra, you have to talk to Seball.
I know how you're feeling, but there's going to come
a day you will regret not trying to make things right.
And of course Ezra, being Ezra and young, he's like, no,
I don't care, Like it's like you can't think that way.
I feel like that's one amazing execution by you and Taylor.
(08:21):
But I feel like almost on like not this sound
elitists on Like a lesser show, they would he would
be like, oh, yeah, you're right, I should just talk
to Sebell right now. But it's stayed true to Ezra's
character to not want to go that route and kind
of be the stubborn teenager. And I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, no, I completely agree. And then I had fully forgotten.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But when it comes to a head when they're with
the furnom, yeah, that right, Like it pays off because
I had forgotten what that was. I was like, what
is he talking about? What he's afraid of? But then
there's that beautiful thing. My favorite thing in any R
is this sort of universality of whatever is going on,
and that line of like I'm afraid of the truth.
(09:03):
As much as that can be cheeseball central, it didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Feel that way to me.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Entirely, and I think that's a beautiful thing because I mean,
you just look at the world that we're currently living,
and it's just that isn't pertinent. I don't know what
is agreed.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And also Canaan's response to Ezra, which I thought was,
you know, I think we've talked about it before that
this show kind of sprinkles little nuggets of wisdom throughout
the show without I think it feeling heavy handed and
like we're going to teach you a lesson. Here's the
moral of the story. Like it just sort of like
(09:42):
in a nuanced way, kind of like infuses the storyline
with like some some really like lovely ideas or things
to think about or even you know, like hopefully like
little kids or kids are watching it and maybe you're
like it kind of goes in you know, maybe they
retain that, but it's not like we're teaching you a lesson,
(10:03):
you know what I mean. And so when Canaan responds
and says, what did you say, everyone's afraid but admitting
it makes you braver than most, I was like, oh, oh, straight, yeah,
Like that was great, and I just I thought that
was a lovely moment between you guys and also man
Taylor like between like you and all those scenes, like
(10:26):
from the beginning to the end of the episode, like
all of the Ezra Cibo scenes are really heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, they're heavier than I remember.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, you really like you really went to some places.
It was.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It was sweet to see, but Cibo. I forgot how
much Cibo meant to all of them and how much
information he held.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, well, I this may be the one episode that
I actually did not see, so I was kind of like, wait,
how did this one? I don't know what I must
have been doing or traveling or I don't know when
this aired live. I have never seen this one. One
two Cibo is played by Peter McNichol. Do we remember
(11:08):
him or did he fly in like most super celebrities
do by themselves without us.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I don't think we recorded with him.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, thank god, because you know, Harras has like this
moment with him where he's like, I remember you know
the parents, And I'm like, oh, you know, I mean
I have like a whole thing with him. Yeah, that's
what I Last night, my head exploded. I was like,
how do I not remember any of this? And it
must have been because I did. I must have done
three in a row of each line in isolation.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
I think we did know was he there for the
first episode, because maybe I don't How did I miss.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I did a TV show with him years ago called
Numbers that was Curtius and to Maybee number.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Maybe because I've definitely spoken.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
He recorded with us, I would have totally been geeking
out as a.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
One hundred percent me too. And I actually think didn't
he play doc oc in Young Justice? We need like
nerd alert? Yes, yes, okay, j C fact check on that.
But I believe I've worked with him before, so I
have nerded out with him in the past, you know,
breathing the same air in the studio with him. But
(12:34):
I would have remembered that. So anyway, my experience of
rewatching this was sort of like did I blip out
or I don't know. But first of all, I want
to say, the music at the outset of it was
so oh, it was just it was the stuff of
I mean, the minute you hear that, you're a thousand
percent while I was one thousand percent invested in the
(12:55):
pace and the level of the stakes and you know,
the inquisitor chasing. I also loved the new drinking game
of hang on. We got we got to hang On
at the beginning, and I'm like, every time it's I
need everyone to have like a supporo or well, you know,
look small children if you're not of drinking age. But
I just I love that when Harris says, hey, didn't
(13:17):
we establish that that's a new drinking game every time
we get a hang on, we were trying to keep
tracking that anyway, moving on, But we will.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Have a tally at the end, once we start getting
the end of seasons, we will have a Jason and
are going to try to put talies together.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I feel like that's a thing, but.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
If it's not, it should be. It will be now.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But also how hilarious was Ezra one with a force?
One with the force, like you're killing me with that,
And it was such an adorable attempt on his part
to to sort of transcend. And then when he tapped
into one the fear of the truth, which is totally
cracks my heart open, but also the forgiveness. That forgiveness
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is what made suddenly all the Fryinacs were like, what
you know? That to me is also yet another life
lesson that people can own your soul for years and
you can try to be right, try to be understood.
Bicker pick up the Rubik's cube of well, how could
this have happened? Why this is an injustice and this
and that, And I'm not saying to lay down and
(14:16):
let people get away with stuff, but I am saying
there is something incredibly powerful about forgiving people. And I
want to say their humanity, but I see Bo obviously
is not human. But my point is that there's there's
a kind of liberation that I think if that's modeled
in a person of Ezra's age, that is a really
really significant lesson for people to take away and that
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it is literally the key to their success. And the
flip side of that, when he fears that Canaan is
no longer the amount of rage that can come up.
That also was a look into what is to come
in terms of the Holocron and Darth Maul and you know,
the darkness or the potential. I mean, Canaan says, I
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didn't teach you well enough, because once you open yourself
to that, you need to protect yourself because the dark
side can come in. But that was some deep dive,
you know, I really love that, but I'm really happy
to hear that he was not in studio with us,
because I was starting to worry about my my long
(15:19):
term memory, like, well, anyway, I have the memory of
an Amne Jack, and I know that I would remember
if he Okay, I feel better than such.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I would have been trying to like really having to
try to play it cool, because yeah, Ali mcbeale, if
you haven't checked it out, I don't know what it's
available on. I haven't seen it in years and years
and years, but it's a great show and.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I think it's on Hulu or Netflix, it's on one
of the major streamers because his character. I loved his
character on alepic beale because one his name was John
Cage and I'm a big video gamer, so I was like, wait,
Johnny Cage, Like is this what happened after his movie career?
Like you know, it didn't go He became a lawyer
and then he his character had this profound quote about
New Year's like if you look back in your year,
(16:02):
and I'm paraphrasing, doesn't I'm not doing it verbatim. If
it doesn't bring you emotions that consider the year wasted
is basically what he tells Ally McBeal, and then there's
this whole montage and Ally McBeal starts crying and it's
a whole thing. But maybe if we can get Peter
on this podcast in the booth with us. If Peter
you're listening, just throwing it out there, it's an open invite,
please please.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Well that makes a lot of sense. I feel bad
that I didn't bother to look up who it was,
but who As I was watching this episode, I was like, man,
whoever voices Tibo is like a really nuanced actor, like
has some real acting chops that I appreciated them bringing
to this role. And now I know who it is,
(16:44):
and yeah, it all makes sense that all tracks.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I thought he was in there.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean, y'all, if someone somehow says like, oh, no,
he was in there, I'm going to feel really bad
because well, we'll just chalk it up to the memory
of an antisiac.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Also, eleven years ago that was I didn't you said that?
That is a wild jump in time every time we
hear when it first aired. But there's so much going
off of Vanessa's and so many like beautiful things that
my mind went everywhere with it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Like there was.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I remember having a talk with Dave at the time
of this. Every what I was reading at the time,
there were a lot of like ties to Buddhism. I
remember through these, I guess like vignettes and lessons that
were popping up and how because I was a bit
confused as to why there was a strength and rage.
(17:43):
But that wasn't good because we see that later obviously
with Darth Maul and whatnot, that there are two sides
of the force and ways to sort of use it
and tap into it. But it's also at the same time,
because I remember discussing with him it's good that he
conjured this beast of an animal right like to save
(18:03):
his master. And that led to a long discussion about
when it is positive and negative to sort of operate
out of emotion. And I also told him that I
love Matilda because do you guys remember that movie, of
course media when he's going like, I'm on with the force,
I'm with the force.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I told Dave.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I was like, when I was young.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This makes me sound crazy, but I do believe everyone
had this at some point. I remember, like sitting at
the kitchen counter when my parents are gone, everything and
eating cereal, and it was after I'd seen Matilda, and
I would be like, move the box, move the box,
trying to move like a box of cereal, being like
I mean it was a time of Harry Potter and everything.
I was like, Okay, I mean, this has got to
be possible, and I must have spent hours and nothing
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ever moved.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And yeah, there were because there's so much Eastern philosophy
and fuse into Star Wars and you go back to
the source of George who clearly had a great love
for course Alla films and you know, Eastern philosophy and
everything like that. But what you just describe, I mean
the force is literally to me, it's Ean Young and
that's the big thing that's always stretches, not Yen En Young.
It's Yen Young because without the extremes of hot and cold,
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if you can't find the just right temperature of lukewarm,
which I think that's something that I feel like Star
Wars Rebels taps into that other Star Wars entities didn't,
because yes, don't give in fully to anger, but also
at the same time find the balance that works for you,
and that's what makes you one with the force. And
I feel like this episode almost like this is where
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it started to become less of like start like intro
to Star Wars to people that never watched it, and
almost more of its own identity, Like it started introducing
new things and like the mental health talk of Canaan saying,
everybody's afraid, but the fact you just admitted it makes
you braver than most. It's so profound and it's so
on brand with Star Wars yet nothing like that to
(19:55):
my knowledge, and Chase can fact check on me, the
fact check me on that was ever said to that
Magnitude and the Original trilogy are the prequels, and I
think that's just so cool here where, and you're also
getting this introduction to what the Force can be. It's
you have to look at it as there is the
extremes of light and dark, but you have to know
how to control your dark side, not let it control
(20:16):
you sort of thing. And I just feel like it's
very subtle how they're doing it. But it was so
clear to me that this episode where it starts to
turn that corner and Rebel starts to become what a
lot of people consider peak Star Wars. And then I
can say that as the moderator. You don't have to
say it because you were. You know, subjectively, you're subjectively
speaking to be saved, but I'm not, even though I
kind of am. So it's kind of cool to see
(20:37):
it from that lens because I remember seeing it at
the time when it first aired. I'm like, oh wow,
Like I didn't fully get it because I wasn't fully
in touch with like mental health and my own mental health.
But now I'm like, oh wow, Like there's some really
good stuff in this, and it's the gift that keeps giving,
like I keep saying, I.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Think also for me. And I don't know if you
guys felt this, but when when Canaan and Ezra comeback
after you know they've they've gone through all of that,
it was the first time I truly felt, at least
where Zeb was concerned. The way Zeb greeted Ezra and
(21:16):
the way Ezra dismissed them, it felt to me the
most like family. You know, they they were training you.
Zeb's giving you a hard time, Choppers throwing milk cartons
or whatever at your head, and you know you've been
tested and tested and you're battling Chopper and Zeb's blaming
you and bickering. When he came home, it really felt
(21:38):
like the family was back together again for the first
time for me in a very authentic, messy way, which
looked like you being like, get out of my face
or what I mean. You didn't say that, but it
was something akin to you know, you need to talk
to sea Boat. No I don't, and you and you
went and you were by yourself. That's how That's how
people who truly are intimate with each other practice self care.
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It doesn't always look like unicorns and rainbows. Although initially
the greeting was that, which was a huge growth for
zeb to be so affectionate with you, and it was
to me a manifestation of true intimacy for you to
just take care of yourself and get away from everybody
that I was impressed with his self care and he's
done that before when he wanted you know, you wanted
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to be alone, I think in the previous episode. But
I felt like it locked in for me that I
care about this group and I applaud them for how
they're facing these obstacles, even Harah allowing you to go
do that when she wants to tell you what Sibo
knows about your parents or you know, I don't know,
(22:43):
did you guys experience that?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Or yeah, I agree, I'm ready to take a ride
with this group now.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Of it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well, it's not that I wasn't rooting for them before,
but I could feel them earning the right absolutely to
say no to each other without apology.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm with you, I agree entirely.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like a level of intimacy and comfort
between them that they can do things like they now
feel comfortable, or at least Ezra feels comfortable enough with
the group to be able to sort of advocate for
himself and say like, no, I need a minute, go
off self care King.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Self care.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's self care, self care King.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
The one the thing that is always fun in every
episode because I actually remember more of this episode because
that whole thing of like emotional memory is stronger because
there were more emotions throughout.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's see, it sits closer in my mind.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But the visuals are always a real surprise, and that
like separation in hyperspace was a trip that looks pretty cool,
like when they took the the Phantom right like separated
in the middle of hyperspace. The way that they the
artists did that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I'm telling you, what have you seen two thousand and
one Space Odyssey? Like the colors And I wouldn't be
surprised if that was some sort of deliberate nod because
of what a cinofil one George was and I know
what Dave is, and because two thousand and one is
considered like that was like, oh, this was the foray
into beautiful masterpiece science fiction films, and the colors and
(24:30):
everything was very likened to that. So I was like,
oh my god, they totally went Stanley Kubrick on this episode,
Like how did they do that? Like this is incredible.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
It's too much of an homage to not have been like, yeah,
deliberate and you know, thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think, yeah, yeah, their frames are amazing.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I would love that frame.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Like if we could get like a cell of that,
that'd be a cool thing to put up in an
office or something like Villowy's colors and everything.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That'd be really cool for sure.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Also, how bad is the moment where like, you know,
you forgive Cibo and he hears it and like bam, yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Sick, right. I mean it just shows you that doing
that work within yourself. It does make a difference, like
it allows healing for everybody. It's it's an emotional maturity
that I think isn't practice often. But the fact that
that they decided to highlight it, it meant so much
to me personally because I'm always you know, trying to
(25:30):
do the right thing or you know, take the high
road or whatever it is, and it's not easy because
it does hold you back energetically, and you know, what
do they say, resentment is the poison you drank hoping
the other person tastes it, you'll, yeah, and they feel
they literally feel nothing. And so anyway, it was it
(25:50):
was a victory over that, and and that it was
so cool when Cibo I forgive you too, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, that was so cool that visual where it like
pans back to Canon and Ezra and you're both like
you they are both like kneeling with their heads. Oh
my god, it's so cool. I had forgotten that moment because,
as you said, Taylor, it's been a minute since we
since we recorded you, certainly and almost as long since
(26:17):
we watched these. But yeah, I was like, oh snap,
that's so sick. I loved it.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like we can do like maybe
maybe it will be a bonus episode because I do
have a couple of friends of mine new word psychotherapists
and you know, huge Star Wars fans, and I feel
like this episode alone has so many mental health beings.
And just Vanessa, what you've been touched on with forgiveness,
which is, yeah, it sounds so rudimentary when you say it,
you know, and it's something that becomes more complicated as
(26:43):
you get older, as you know, like when you're a kid,
I'm quoting the show I've been doing a rewatch it.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
This is us.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
So this is probably why this is so fresh in
my mind, where it's like when you're a kid you
say I'm sorry, it's like a magic word.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But then all of a sudden, those words don't carry
as much weight as you get older because problem become
more complex. But so it's like, even though Ezraz says
those words because you can't go into a whole monologue
through his fores skype to forgive Zebo, there was so
much weight behind it, but it's like they both had
to forgive themselves as much as each other. But it's
(27:18):
done in like a span of ten seconds, and it's
so powerful, Like we could literally do I think a
three hour deep dive on those ten seconds alone, because
it's so profound and something that we can take out
of it. And the same thing that we talked about
Canaan's quote about everybody's afraid. But you know, it takes
more strength to be vulnerable than to try to put
on this bravado and pretend that you're not being bothered
(27:40):
by anything, Like to admit that you have a problem
takes more strength than anything else.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But they're seeing it without beating you over the head
with it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
It's so like like again, this the case study of
this episode alone, it's like I think, JC, we're probably
gont have to do a three hour deep dive on
this just just I can just make a note of that,
because there's there's so much in it, and also just
the all of you bringing it to life the way
you did, and even at the end, like Vanessa when
(28:08):
Harrah's talking to Cebo, like, I love that moment because
again on a lesser show, when Canaan says he needs
to be alone on a lesser show, it's like no, no,
you have to hear this right now, and then they
would tell or maybe that would be the cliffhanger, you know,
or like or Caro would actually tell Ezra, this is
what happened to your parents, and then that would be
(28:29):
the cliffhanger. But instead she respects his boundaries. She listens
to Canaan. Kanan also has a mad respect for Hara
as well, and again on a lesser show, I don't
think that would have happened. But here that's where those
little dynamics, you know, really make the big difference. And
I feel like, you know, when you watch a show
like This is Us that has those dynamics, those saying
(28:51):
dynamics are right here in this animated series.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's pretty incredible to see.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And there was another nod to Falcrum, who at this
point is Ashley or Ahsoka, sorry, one of the same,
but the later at this point that's that's Ashley's character.
Because at the end of the season, Fulkrim is revealed
to be Ahsoka. So Cebo goes with Ahsoka. Is that right?
(29:19):
She says, you'll be safe with Fulkrim, And you say,
can I meet Folkrim? I say no, and then I
sort of shepherd him off the ship. Did I misunderstand that,
or that's.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
How I understood it. To Fulkrim was was gonna give
him safety.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, probably also pick his brain for intel.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I would.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, I'm interested this as tangential as I always do,
and this. I noticed something in this episode that I
was like, I've never noticed this, and this is Tya
or anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Do you guys know what is on the left shoulder
pad of Sabine.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Is it an owl?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I believe, No, the left one.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I have to look at a picture.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I should know it was. It's a wolf? What I know?
I was like, how have I never seen that?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Whoa?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Okay, no, I left on her left arm, on her
left the shoulder, the shoulders letter whatever. Yeah, it's like
a wolf with its tongue out. My friend, is that
tattoo on his leg?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Really?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was like, I mean not, it's not off of this.
He's had it before we did.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Not so cool anyway, Oh I find.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
It silly that I don't. Oh my god, yes, look
this is my brain.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
If you can see that.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I thought the same thing, and I was like, wait,
how have I never once seen this?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Oh my gosh, And.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It looks like the loaf wolves that we end up like, yeah,
you know, it.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Reminds me of It reminds me of Okay, one of
my this is un character. It seems not like this
would be true, but one of my favorite movies is
three hundred. It's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It is a great movie.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
It's just a great movie. Facts anyway, you know at
the beginning of that I have that movie literally memorized,
from like start to finish. I could probably act it
out for you.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Okay, there's a bonus episode one woman show of three
hundred car.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I will pay a dollar for that sake.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
All the spartans and all the versions. Anyway, the wolf
at the very beginning where when he's a kid and
he's in the training, like he has to go out.
Do you do you remember this movie? Yes, that's what
that wolf reminds me of. But I should really really know.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But I was like, how have I never noticed that?
And I noticed the end this episode. I was like, oh,
that must be crazy. I wonder if that like changed
over the seasons or something.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I don't know I.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Did, right, because that's only her her kit changes. Yeah,
Oh hey, I'm not crazy. Wait, there was an owl
at some points.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
So the three.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Which is I mean, if I had to choose, it's pressed.
That's my favorite iteration of Sabine. It's it's the owl
on her left. Yeah, call that I called that people,
That's not what it's called. JC helped me. What is
that called that little arm up shoulder hitch guard whatever? Yeah,
so I guess season one it was a wolf, like
(32:40):
a scary booking wolf with its tongue out.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Did you know there? If you google cosplay you can
buy her full cosplay costume.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'm sure I did.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Actually, I mean about the wolf.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I don't know. Yeah, you were gonna dress, you.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Were doing your early May the you know, Calloween shopping,
waiting for.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
It.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Says shoulder pads is how they describe it here to you.
But I don't know, Jesse, I know it's not quite right,
but that's what they say here.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
J C.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Taylor.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
I'll twin with you with that being get up. We'll
be like the removed of Twins with shorts and agger.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And it's called a pauldron, Caldron. It's a pauldron, very nice,
brought to you by Randy. Randy, my tech assistant.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
A pauldron is a piece of plate armor that protects
the shoulder and upper arms.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Look at this guy. Look at this guy j C
two point zero.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I think I thank you Etymology. If e Paulette and
Pauldron have anything to do with.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Each other, my goodness, podcast Deep.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Doesn't really appreciate the entertainment that you are here for, Merriam.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
They're sorry I did bring that up, but I was
just surprised by it. And I'm sure fans who are
egoized they will be like, yeah, of course I know
what to be like.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, Dodos like you know that. But I guess maybe
her owl pauldron is fresher in my mind and this
one was longer ago, so I but yeah, thanks for
bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It just felt like an easter to me, like knowing
where it goes, I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I was gonna say, And also just knowing how much
the creator of the show loves loves loves wolves. Yeah
there's that, and does every I wonder I was gonna
ask a question to our audience that doesn't make sense.
I wonder if people know. I'm sure some of you,
many of you know, but I think Vanessa you'll know
(34:50):
the answer that the owl it's called a conviry after
Dave's wife.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Oh did I up? And I don't know, but I
love that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's cool. I feel doesn't it represent Aska in some way?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Like it is a connection because when we are in
the world between worlds the owl.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yes, at the end of season three, I believe the
fight that she has in the Jedi Temple with Darth Vader,
and we don't know if she's alive or dead.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We see the that's two right end of two?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Was it two or three? Two two? I don't know.
I've lost he since some time. I'm sorry, the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
All of you.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I've seen all of that. I've watched the show.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I know Taylor, Well, we'll get there.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well, for some reason, I thought it was season three,
but maybe I have no idea anyway, But the point
is there is an owl at the end of that.
But I don't know that it's technically an owl. It's
probably called what Tia said. J C will fill us
in what I do. I do think that this is
(36:04):
the part of the podcast where we invite all the
Sabine Cause players to demonstrate their coseplay, you know, in
response to this, and we can create like an ongoing
story with about a billion Sabines, and we can amplify
and share all the wonderful cause players that do s
(36:25):
I feel like this might be the episode to really
celebrate them. You know, I'm socials. I'm just saying, I.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Mean, shout out to all my Sabine Cause players I
have met. I've been lucky enough to meet a lot
of you in person, not as many as I would like,
but hopefully we can rectify that in the future. But
it never ceases to have made me like, how rad
these I would say, girls, but like all kinds of
all kinds of folks that cosplay Sabine.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And yeah, how beautiful.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
There'd work is and how like just like the commitment
and the artistry, it's really inspiring. Yeah, I'm not like
bowled over by getting to meet Sabine Couse players in
real life.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think bonus content would be to have like a
cause playing celebration of some sort. But I'll have to
think about the parameters of it and where we could
do it, and.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
We'll get there. And you know, if our audience is
going to demand live shows, then you know, then we're
going to give the audience what.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
They want, and.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
That we do not do a lot of Well, then
we'll stay here on Zoom and keep figuring it out.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Well, they can also join on Zoom, but you know
that'll that's doable. That's what I did. I told you
on my one of my live streams. I invited all
the heras on and we had one big I think
it was a Zoom, wasn't it. I think it was
a Zoom meeting and all the heros from all over
the world were I remember they were talking about the
struggle with the mom jeans. They were like, oh no,
(38:06):
you know, because they were from everywhere. They were really
going in on the belt buckle, the mom jeans.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Oh the oh yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
The struggle Yeah, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I think the hair of pants are very high waisted
and cause a lot of strife. But what I love
is that there's like this Hara support group on IG
and I'm on the thing and that's where ta they
go on and on about how great you are, like
all the time, and you know, there are other topics
of discussion, but a lot of them are like does
anyone know what good lip color is best? For season four?
(38:42):
I love it, And they're like Clinique blah blah blah blah.
I can't remember the color of it, and I was like, oh,
good idea, and I google it there sure enough that
you know she has sort of a purple lipstick in
season four. I mean it's very handy. I love the
community is so supportive and welcoming of anyone in all,
a lot of people who There's probably a Sabine chain
(39:03):
as well that I'm unaware of. But what I do
is when I go to an event, I say what
are you? Who are you on IG? Follow me and
I'll put you on the DM list. And then suddenly
they it's like this hive mind of hera solutions for
Harah mom jene problems. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Well, coming soon with our merch is going to be
space Mom jeans, so look out for that in our
online store. I will be first in line to get that.
So I think we're almost at the point where we're
going to invite our resident fact checker, but a couple
more things I want to point out before we do,
And I'm going to talk slowly to Gilbi hopefully get
JC a little more time to if he has to
get the information somewhere other than his brain, which even
(39:44):
though he doesn't have to go anywhere other than his brain.
So in this episode we have the device that Sibo
points out, the XX twenty three that can track a
ship while in hyperspace. Now, to my knowledge, I've never
seen this in any of the prequels original trilogy. It's
probably in the books, and if anything, JC will know
(40:06):
which book, maybe a Timothy's On book or something like that.
And then we'll let alone what Taylor lued to before
detaching in hyperspace to throw off the trail. Never seen that,
So this kind of adds to our rebels did at
first Hashtag in terms of trend setting in the Star
Wars universe. And the other thing is we have another
language that Sabine understands, and that is Hatise because Cibo
(40:28):
speaks Hottez and she's like, oh, he said this and this,
So add that to the tally JC. That's going to
be a very very long, very high count rather of
how many languages Sabine knows. And I think that's all
I have, and I'm going to just keep on milking
time just in case JC needs more time. But with
that being said, let's invite in JC for our fact
(40:50):
check l.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
You guys got you guys got there on a lot
of this stuff before you needed me today. But I
will confirm a lot of what she said. I think
we talked about a little bit last episode. Cibo has
the Lobot cybernetic implant. I don't think we mentioned it
is an AJ six cyboard construct. We mentioned Echo has
(41:14):
the same one, so Eco, Lobot and Cibo all have
the same.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Head droid things on.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
X X twenty three s thread tracker is made by
Seiner Company. They're the same company that's fell tie Fighters
and kind of supply the Empire with all of theirs.
It is supposedly, and I thought, John, I thought you
were going to get here. Supposedly is the same tracker,
(41:43):
not the same physical tracker, but the same model of
tracker that Tarkan Invader used to track the Millennium Falcon
to Yavin four in a New Hope.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Supposedly that's what they say.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
You guys mentioned two thousand and one A Space Odyssey
as the Phantom fell out of hyperspace and the colors.
I also noted that I thought it was beautiful. It
appeared very like Star Trek warp Drive Colory or Proto
Drive from Star Trek Prodigy to me as well, which
(42:19):
obviously are have We're posts two thousand and one. Tia,
you mentioned that the show didn't feel like a PSA
at one point, so I just went deep on PSA
lesson recaps at the end of shows. I don't know
if you guys remember those, but I'll give you guys
a little history lesson in terms of like when cartoons
started becoming PSAs. The first show to do it was
(42:44):
He Man, and then G I Joe, which we all
know is where knowing is half the battle came from
Gem in the Hologram's Mask in the eighties, and then
they went away for a little bit and were revived
with Captain Planet in the nineties, and Di's gone out
of fashion again. Cibo's voiced by Peter McNichol. The major
(43:05):
thing that I noted about him, John, based on your
opening you mentioned ghost Busters, he played the guy who
you know worships Vigo the Page. I'm not sure, Vanessa,
you were kind of right in a bunch of different spots.
(43:27):
He played Kronos in Justice League Unlimited, Doc Spectacic.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Oh, that's right, man, I was Mary Jane in that sorry,
I got confused. Those are both Greg Weisman shows, Uh
Doc ok and Spider and Spectacular.
Speaker 9 (43:40):
Retacular Spider Man. And then he was in Young Justice,
but he played Professor Ivo and Am in that show.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I'm sorry I conflained in there.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
So from a certain point of view, you were right
on multiples with that one statement.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I love that choice of word. It's a certain point
a certain point of view.
Speaker 9 (44:00):
John, you mentioned the Ali McBeal quote, which the proper
quote is, if you think back and replay your year,
if it doesn't bring you tears, either of joy or sadness,
consider it wasted. By John John Allie mc vanessa. You
mentioned the quote resentment is like drinking poison and waiting
for the other person to die. Is the proper quote
(44:21):
originally attributed to Saint Augustine Malachine mcclark, and.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
That's right, quote Augustine.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
But.
Speaker 10 (44:33):
Mega Catholic No okay, anyway, The person who is credited
with bringing it to popularity, most recently Carrie fish Essa marshall.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh look at that, yes night.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
We don't see at the end, but we do see
fulkrim ship. It's a cr ninety class Carillian Corvette or
Blockade Runner, which is also the first ship we see
in Star Wars episode for a New Hope you guys
got there. You did a pretty good deep dive from memory.
On Sabine's shoulder armor, one of the shoulders is painted
(45:12):
with a dejeric board pattern that has the number five
on it for Specter five. The left one, though changes
season to season. The wolf tailor that you noticed is
called in a Nuba. It isn't a loth wolf, but
it is called in a Nuba, which is looks like
a wolf. Embo who shows up on the show had
(45:32):
a domesticated one. The other then there's another creature that
is on there for some time, probably around season two,
and then the convour the owl is season three, and
then in season four there's a pergole on the shoulder oh,
which is like, how is how is that?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Miss? I don't know?
Speaker 5 (45:56):
I mean, I feel like if anyone should know that
my shit. But I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I was trying to put you on blast. That's sharing.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
So yeah, it changes often.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
We see that owl, that convoy uh con The convoy
is the Ahsoka Convoy is named Marii, who is representative
kind of of the Daughter from Mortis from the Clone
Wars episode shows up in chapter thirteen of The Mandalorian.
(46:29):
Also in Ahska Part eight. The first appearance is the
Mystery of Chopper Bass from Rebels also shows up in
Twilight of the Apprentice, Wolves at the Door only as
part of a mural and the World between Worlds, which
is when this convoy that is associated with the Soka
first gets its name.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Maria, You're like, this is a pretty chill one.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
You crushed it.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
It's like, I don't have much.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
I just have the making model of every single thing,
and they're currently ringing this time on the New York
Stock Exchange.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I feel like we need to have like a trivia
because I'm sure fans are listening, will know a lot
come on. That would be fine, And I'm putting all
my money on you.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Man.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
I will tell you there are a lot of kids
out there who are far younger than I am, who
have watched Rebels and Clone Wars like ten times each.
I am.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I am not as good as a lot of the
kids out there.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I love that.
Speaker 9 (47:35):
I still.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
We got your back.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Well, we'll corner you like you know when boxers walk
on they have everybody walking them to their corner, like
we'll walk out to like the.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Triba with you. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Absolutely, like that picture of Mike Tyson and like Magic
Johnson's walking with them. It's like from the eighties and
well we'll walk hard like that. So uh, thank you JC,
as always for the fact check. It's always epic. Thank
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Yeah, we'll share with Tia.
Speaker 6 (48:17):
Tia will give her Tim Gunn type critique and maybe
tell you to make it work and maybe not. I
don't know, make it work. But if anything else, I
think it's time for our outro, which is what cue
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Speaker 8 (48:29):
That?
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Is that what I think?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
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between recordings, and it's actually been a minute since we've
seen each other, so I just want to do a
quick check in. How's everybody doing? I miss you guys,
and I'm just happy to be back with you.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, I did. Oh, it's nice to see your lovely
faces after a while.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, And I mean it's it comes out at different times,
but while we're recording it is our motto is birthday,
I just want to say happy birthday.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ye spectacular same.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I had the same birthday as Diane Lane and also
on my twenty second birthday two thousand and six, Kobe
Bryant the Lakery. Kobe Bryant scored eighty one points, which is,
as you know, the second most in NBA history, second
one to Wilt Chamberlain. But yeah, so it's a significant
day in more ways than one.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I guess I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That is cool. I mean birthday segue. This episode was
a continuation.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It was yes, because I was like, how is he
steal his birthday?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I love that more first half of his birthday like
a month and a half ago or something weeks and
weeks ago.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, It's like it's like, man, this is like the
longest episode of twenty four somehow, you know, it's just
like that's the whole season of twenty fours. As for
Bridger's birthday, basically is what we're getting with these two episodes.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
John, I'm excited to hear your recap. It's been a
minute since we've gotten these snazzy recaps.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I know, I got to like shake off the rust
a little bit. And it's like because it's almost like
it's a fun challenge each week, so everyone like I
write the recaps myself, and I don't always write it
in order, like something in the episode be like, oh,
that reminds me of this, and that's where I'll start,
and I'll kind of just frank and stun it together.
But now it's like a welcome pressure each week, like, Okay,
I need to I can't let my friends down on
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the podcast or listeners, however many there may be.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So hopefully you haven't.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
You've done such a good joke that I know it's
not AI. You know there's sometimes people do give a speech.
You're like that that could be AI. Oh, yours are
so personal that there's no way that there's.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
No way all chat, all the eighties movie references and
NBA references, there's no way. Yeah, No, you could never
should right one, I just flight it in notice it.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
That would be a great like a great Bravo competition show.
It's like me versus chat GPT for the Potter Rebellion recaps,
and I think that could be something, or it might
be the stunt sky in.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I don't know, maybe we shouldn't go there. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, well maybe when we do our live episode whenever
that happens.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
And yeah, and also like the other ai, Ellen Iverson,
I do talk about because I do practice these recaps too,
So Allen Iverson, I am talking about practice.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We're talk about practice, all right.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
So without further ado, I guess we should get into
our recap for season one, episode nine, Gathering Forces.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Shouldn't we last?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Please?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
All right, let's do it. Season one ups nine Gathering Forces.
Original air date November seventeen, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
The episode picks up where last one left off. A
flight of tie fighters is doing a full blown attack.
Sebol drops a bombshell on Ezra, saying he knows what
happened to his parents. Cats and dogs are living together.
In other words, it's mass asteria, and you could say
that the Empire is looking to be total ghostbusters with
their full bown attack unintended, the crew nearly escape by
making a jump to hyperspace with the help of Sebo,
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and though Sibo may have saved the Ghost Creuse, saving
the French with Ezra will be a much taller order.
But before any of these issues can be resolved, it
is revealed that the Empire has a device that can
track them even while in hyperspace. When it's revealed that
tracking device actually landed on the Falcon, Canaan comes up
with an idea to detach the Falcon Wall in hyperspace
and misdirect the Empire and the inquisitor of the Fort
and Axis at your brief heart to heart, what's the
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being about his feelings about Siebo condul halt. Ezra goes
with Canaan to commence Operation Detash the Fantom in hyperspace,
and it's done in such a stylistic way it could
give the Stargate sequence in two thousand and one a
space out to see a run for its money.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You should look it up. It's a great movie.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Upon getting to Ford in Axis, Canaan tells Ezra they
must connect with the farnockx Azra's unsure he can do it, because,
like Rocky Balboa and Rocky three, Ezra is afraid Canaan
encourages young padd and want to face what he's afraid of,
and finally, like a breakthrough in psychotherapy, Azra admits he's
afraid he's like Tom Cruise and a few good men
and can't handle the truth. And through this realization, Azra
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becomes like Lucascott in season three on One Tree Hill
and chooses the path of forgiveness and extends that to Sebo.
With that forgiveness, as There's mind is opened up and
he's able to tap into his space Mowgli force powers
and become the ultimate Fernock Whisperer. This turn of events
also gives Sebo clarity, which includes knowing what really happened
to Ezra's parents, information he shares with hera. Meanwhile, the
Empire rise at an axis the Inquisitor in Canaan have
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been an epic lightsaber battle, which doesn't go well for Kanaan.
The Inquisitor then threatens Azra, which prompts him to angrily
erase the powerful word of No, which summons a Superfernock.
While the super sized Fernock keeps the Inquisitor busy, Canaan
and Azra are able to fly away from forward in axis.
When Ezra gets back to the Ghost, he's in need
of some alone time as he looks out into Sace
all by his lonesome, Sabine comes to check on him
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and tells him she restored the disc from his parents' computer,
which turns out to be an old family photo of
Ezra and his parents. And like the Dolly and a
Penny Roger song, this gesture from Sabina is perhaps the
greatest gift of all, thus making this indeed something of
a happy birthday for young Ezra Richard. And that is
Season one, episode nine, Gathering Horses.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Wow. Yes, there was a lot in this one. Wow,
well done, Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
No pressure.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But I started to watch like this time. I started
to watch the episode and wonder to myself as I'm watching,
how's John gonna? You know, what's the first John's recap
going to be? But you exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Thank you, I aimed please. And also I was wondering
the same thing like okay, this this, oh my god,
wait this, oh wait what hold on stop if you
talk about that phrase ten pounds in a five pound bag.
This episode had so much, but at the same time,
wasn't overwhelming, you know, it was just like the perfect
balance of everything.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I've never heard ten pounds and a five pound bag.
But I don't know if this is a Texas thing,
but I say a ten pound sausage and a five
pound casing.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Is all we need is matth McConaughey to come on,
go now, hold on, held out. You know, I like
to ilight say fifteen and a ten, but if you
want to say ten, you do the best ten you
can have. So how are we feeling after this? There's
a lot of I have a lot of notes on this.
There's a lot of great quotes. There's another great kitchen
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scene between Sabine and Ezra, which was a great full
circle almost with the first episode. And I guess I'll
go right there right away because I remember on the
first episode of this podcast and of Star Wars Rebels,
how there was so much weight behind what Sabine says
about Ezra as what I'm in your parents, Sabine says
the Empire. And then here now that we know a
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little bit more about Sabine from the Out of Darkness episode,
when she's urging Ezra, you have to talk to Seball.
I know how you're feeling, but there's going to come
a day you will regret not trying to make things right.
And of course Ezra, being Ezra and young, he's like, no,
I don't care, Like it's like you can't think that way.
I feel like that's one amazing execution by you and Taylor.
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But I feel like almost on like not this sound
elitists on Like a lesser show, they would he would
be like, oh, yeah, you're right, I should just talk
to Sebell right now. But it's stayed true to Ezra's
character to not want to go that route and kind
of be the stubborn teenager. And I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, no, I completely agree. And then I had fully forgotten.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But when it comes to a head when they're with
the furnom, yeah, that right, Like it pays off because
I had forgotten what that was. I was like, what
is he talking about? What he's afraid of? But then
there's that beautiful thing. My favorite thing in any R
is this sort of universality of whatever is going on,
and that line of like I'm afraid of the truth.
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As much as that can be cheeseball central, it didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Feel that way to me.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Entirely, and I think that's a beautiful thing because I mean,
you just look at the world that we're currently living,
and it's just that isn't pertinent. I don't know what
is agreed.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
And also Canaan's response to Ezra, which I thought was,
you know, I think we've talked about it before that
this show kind of sprinkles little nuggets of wisdom throughout
the show without I think it feeling heavy handed and
like we're going to teach you a lesson. Here's the
moral of the story. Like it just sort of like
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in a nuanced way, kind of like infuses the storyline
with like some some really like lovely ideas or things
to think about or even you know, like hopefully like
little kids or kids are watching it and maybe you're
like it kind of goes in you know, maybe they
retain that, but it's not like we're teaching you a lesson,
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you know what I mean. And so when Canaan responds
and says, what did you say, everyone's afraid but admitting
it makes you braver than most, I was like, oh, oh, straight, yeah,
Like that was great, and I just I thought that
was a lovely moment between you guys and also man
Taylor like between like you and all those scenes, like
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from the beginning to the end of the episode, like
all of the Ezra Cibo scenes are really heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, they're heavier than I remember.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, you really like you really went to some places.
It was.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It was sweet to see, but Cibo. I forgot how
much Cibo meant to all of them and how much
information he held.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, well, I this may be the one episode that
I actually did not see, so I was kind of like, wait,
how did this one? I don't know what I must
have been doing or traveling or I don't know when
this aired live. I have never seen this one. One
two Cibo is played by Peter McNichol. Do we remember
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him or did he fly in like most super celebrities
do by themselves without us.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I don't think we recorded with him.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, thank god, because you know, Harras has like this
moment with him where he's like, I remember you know
the parents, And I'm like, oh, you know, I mean
I have like a whole thing with him. Yeah, that's
what I Last night, my head exploded. I was like,
how do I not remember any of this? And it
must have been because I did. I must have done
three in a row of each line in isolation.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
I think we did know was he there for the
first episode, because maybe I don't How did I miss.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I did a TV show with him years ago called
Numbers that was Curtius and to Maybee number.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Maybe because I've definitely spoken.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
He recorded with us, I would have totally been geeking
out as a.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
One hundred percent me too. And I actually think didn't
he play doc oc in Young Justice? We need like
nerd alert? Yes, yes, okay, j C fact check on that.
But I believe I've worked with him before, so I
have nerded out with him in the past, you know,
breathing the same air in the studio with him. But
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I would have remembered that. So anyway, my experience of
rewatching this was sort of like did I blip out
or I don't know. But first of all, I want
to say, the music at the outset of it was
so oh, it was just it was the stuff of
I mean, the minute you hear that, you're a thousand
percent while I was one thousand percent invested in the
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pace and the level of the stakes and you know,
the inquisitor chasing. I also loved the new drinking game
of hang on. We got we got to hang On
at the beginning, and I'm like, every time it's I
need everyone to have like a supporo or well, you know,
look small children if you're not of drinking age. But
I just I love that when Harris says, hey, didn't
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we establish that that's a new drinking game every time
we get a hang on, we were trying to keep
tracking that anyway, moving on, But we will.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Have a tally at the end, once we start getting
the end of seasons, we will have a Jason and
are going to try to put talies together.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I feel like that's a thing, but.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
If it's not, it should be. It will be now.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But also how hilarious was Ezra one with a force?
One with the force, like you're killing me with that,
And it was such an adorable attempt on his part
to to sort of transcend. And then when he tapped
into one the fear of the truth, which is totally
cracks my heart open, but also the forgiveness. That forgiveness
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is what made suddenly all the Fryinacs were like, what
you know? That to me is also yet another life
lesson that people can own your soul for years and
you can try to be right, try to be understood.
Bicker pick up the Rubik's cube of well, how could
this have happened? Why this is an injustice and this
and that, And I'm not saying to lay down and
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let people get away with stuff, but I am saying
there is something incredibly powerful about forgiving people. And I
want to say their humanity, but I see Bo obviously
is not human. But my point is that there's there's
a kind of liberation that I think if that's modeled
in a person of Ezra's age, that is a really
really significant lesson for people to take away and that
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it is literally the key to their success. And the
flip side of that, when he fears that Canaan is
no longer the amount of rage that can come up.
That also was a look into what is to come
in terms of the Holocron and Darth Maul and you know,
the darkness or the potential. I mean, Canaan says, I
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didn't teach you well enough, because once you open yourself
to that, you need to protect yourself because the dark
side can come in. But that was some deep dive,
you know, I really love that, but I'm really happy
to hear that he was not in studio with us,
because I was starting to worry about my my long
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term memory, like, well, anyway, I have the memory of
an Amne Jack, and I know that I would remember
if he Okay, I feel better than such.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I would have been trying to like really having to
try to play it cool, because yeah, Ali mcbeale, if
you haven't checked it out, I don't know what it's
available on. I haven't seen it in years and years
and years, but it's a great show and.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I think it's on Hulu or Netflix, it's on one
of the major streamers because his character. I loved his
character on alepic beale because one his name was John
Cage and I'm a big video gamer, so I was like, wait,
Johnny Cage, Like is this what happened after his movie career?
Like you know, it didn't go He became a lawyer
and then he his character had this profound quote about
New Year's like if you look back in your year,
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and I'm paraphrasing, doesn't I'm not doing it verbatim. If
it doesn't bring you emotions that consider the year wasted
is basically what he tells Ally McBeal, and then there's
this whole montage and Ally McBeal starts crying and it's
a whole thing. But maybe if we can get Peter
on this podcast in the booth with us. If Peter
you're listening, just throwing it out there, it's an open invite,
please please.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Well that makes a lot of sense. I feel bad
that I didn't bother to look up who it was,
but who As I was watching this episode, I was like, man,
whoever voices Tibo is like a really nuanced actor, like
has some real acting chops that I appreciated them bringing
to this role. And now I know who it is,
(16:44):
and yeah, it all makes sense that all tracks.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I thought he was in there.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I mean, y'all, if someone somehow says like, oh, no,
he was in there, I'm going to feel really bad
because well, we'll just chalk it up to the memory
of an antisiac.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Also, eleven years ago that was I didn't you said that?
That is a wild jump in time every time we
hear when it first aired. But there's so much going
off of Vanessa's and so many like beautiful things that
my mind went everywhere with it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Like there was.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I remember having a talk with Dave at the time
of this. Every what I was reading at the time,
there were a lot of like ties to Buddhism. I
remember through these, I guess like vignettes and lessons that
were popping up and how because I was a bit
confused as to why there was a strength and rage.
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But that wasn't good because we see that later obviously
with Darth Maul and whatnot, that there are two sides
of the force and ways to sort of use it
and tap into it. But it's also at the same time,
because I remember discussing with him it's good that he
conjured this beast of an animal right like to save
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his master. And that led to a long discussion about
when it is positive and negative to sort of operate
out of emotion. And I also told him that I
love Matilda because do you guys remember that movie, of
course media when he's going like, I'm on with the force,
I'm with the force.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I told Dave.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I was like, when I was young.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This makes me sound crazy, but I do believe everyone
had this at some point. I remember, like sitting at
the kitchen counter when my parents are gone, everything and
eating cereal, and it was after I'd seen Matilda, and
I would be like, move the box, move the box,
trying to move like a box of cereal, being like
I mean it was a time of Harry Potter and everything.
I was like, Okay, I mean, this has got to
be possible, and I must have spent hours and nothing
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ever moved.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And yeah, there were because there's so much Eastern philosophy
and fuse into Star Wars and you go back to
the source of George who clearly had a great love
for course Alla films and you know, Eastern philosophy and
everything like that. But what you just describe, I mean
the force is literally to me, it's Ean Young and
that's the big thing that's always stretches, not Yen En Young.
It's Yen Young because without the extremes of hot and cold,
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if you can't find the just right temperature of lukewarm,
which I think that's something that I feel like Star
Wars Rebels taps into that other Star Wars entities didn't,
because yes, don't give in fully to anger, but also
at the same time find the balance that works for you,
and that's what makes you one with the force. And
I feel like this episode almost like this is where
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it started to become less of like start like intro
to Star Wars to people that never watched it, and
almost more of its own identity, Like it started introducing
new things and like the mental health talk of Canaan saying,
everybody's afraid, but the fact you just admitted it makes
you braver than most. It's so profound and it's so
on brand with Star Wars yet nothing like that to
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my knowledge, and Chase can fact check on me, the
fact check me on that was ever said to that
Magnitude and the Original trilogy are the prequels, and I
think that's just so cool here where, and you're also
getting this introduction to what the Force can be. It's
you have to look at it as there is the
extremes of light and dark, but you have to know
how to control your dark side, not let it control
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you sort of thing. And I just feel like it's
very subtle how they're doing it. But it was so
clear to me that this episode where it starts to
turn that corner and Rebel starts to become what a
lot of people consider peak Star Wars. And then I
can say that as the moderator. You don't have to
say it because you were. You know, subjectively, you're subjectively
speaking to be saved, but I'm not, even though I
kind of am. So it's kind of cool to see
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it from that lens because I remember seeing it at
the time when it first aired. I'm like, oh wow,
Like I didn't fully get it because I wasn't fully
in touch with like mental health and my own mental health.
But now I'm like, oh wow, Like there's some really
good stuff in this, and it's the gift that keeps giving,
like I keep saying, I.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Think also for me. And I don't know if you
guys felt this, but when when Canaan and Ezra comeback
after you know they've they've gone through all of that,
it was the first time I truly felt, at least
where Zeb was concerned. The way Zeb greeted Ezra and
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the way Ezra dismissed them, it felt to me the
most like family. You know, they they were training you.
Zeb's giving you a hard time, Choppers throwing milk cartons
or whatever at your head, and you know you've been
tested and tested and you're battling Chopper and Zeb's blaming
you and bickering. When he came home, it really felt
(21:38):
like the family was back together again for the first
time for me in a very authentic, messy way, which
looked like you being like, get out of my face
or what I mean. You didn't say that, but it
was something akin to you know, you need to talk
to sea Boat. No I don't, and you and you
went and you were by yourself. That's how That's how
people who truly are intimate with each other practice self care.
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It doesn't always look like unicorns and rainbows. Although initially
the greeting was that, which was a huge growth for
zeb to be so affectionate with you, and it was
to me a manifestation of true intimacy for you to
just take care of yourself and get away from everybody
that I was impressed with his self care and he's
done that before when he wanted you know, you wanted
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to be alone, I think in the previous episode. But
I felt like it locked in for me that I
care about this group and I applaud them for how
they're facing these obstacles, even Harah allowing you to go
do that when she wants to tell you what Sibo
knows about your parents or you know, I don't know,
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did you guys experience that?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Or yeah, I agree, I'm ready to take a ride
with this group now.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Of it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well, it's not that I wasn't rooting for them before,
but I could feel them earning the right absolutely to
say no to each other without apology.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm with you, I agree entirely.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like a level of intimacy and comfort
between them that they can do things like they now
feel comfortable, or at least Ezra feels comfortable enough with
the group to be able to sort of advocate for
himself and say like, no, I need a minute, go
off self care King.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Self care.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's self care, self care King.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
The one the thing that is always fun in every
episode because I actually remember more of this episode because
that whole thing of like emotional memory is stronger because
there were more emotions throughout.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's see, it sits closer in my mind.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But the visuals are always a real surprise, and that
like separation in hyperspace was a trip that looks pretty cool,
like when they took the the Phantom right like separated
in the middle of hyperspace. The way that they the
artists did that was really cool.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I'm telling you, what have you seen two thousand and
one Space Odyssey? Like the colors And I wouldn't be
surprised if that was some sort of deliberate nod because
of what a cinofil one George was and I know
what Dave is, and because two thousand and one is
considered like that was like, oh, this was the foray
into beautiful masterpiece science fiction films, and the colors and
(24:30):
everything was very likened to that. So I was like,
oh my god, they totally went Stanley Kubrick on this episode,
Like how did they do that? Like this is incredible.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
It's too much of an homage to not have been like, yeah,
deliberate and you know, thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think, yeah, yeah, their frames are amazing.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I would love that frame.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Like if we could get like a cell of that,
that'd be a cool thing to put up in an
office or something like Villowy's colors and everything.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That'd be really cool for sure.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Also, how bad is the moment where like, you know,
you forgive Cibo and he hears it and like bam, yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Sick, right. I mean it just shows you that doing
that work within yourself. It does make a difference, like
it allows healing for everybody. It's it's an emotional maturity
that I think isn't practice often. But the fact that
that they decided to highlight it, it meant so much
to me personally because I'm always you know, trying to
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do the right thing or you know, take the high
road or whatever it is, and it's not easy because
it does hold you back energetically, and you know, what
do they say, resentment is the poison you drank hoping
the other person tastes it, you'll, yeah, and they feel
they literally feel nothing. And so anyway, it was it
(25:50):
was a victory over that, and and that it was
so cool when Cibo I forgive you too, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, that was so cool that visual where it like
pans back to Canon and Ezra and you're both like
you they are both like kneeling with their heads. Oh
my god, it's so cool. I had forgotten that moment because,
as you said, Taylor, it's been a minute since we
since we recorded you, certainly and almost as long since
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we watched these. But yeah, I was like, oh snap,
that's so sick. I loved it.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like we can do like maybe
maybe it will be a bonus episode because I do
have a couple of friends of mine new word psychotherapists
and you know, huge Star Wars fans, and I feel
like this episode alone has so many mental health beings.
And just Vanessa, what you've been touched on with forgiveness,
which is, yeah, it sounds so rudimentary when you say it,
you know, and it's something that becomes more complicated as
(26:43):
you get older, as you know, like when you're a kid,
I'm quoting the show I've been doing a rewatch it.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
This is us.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
So this is probably why this is so fresh in
my mind, where it's like when you're a kid you
say I'm sorry, it's like a magic word.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But then all of a sudden, those words don't carry
as much weight as you get older because problem become
more complex. But so it's like, even though Ezraz says
those words because you can't go into a whole monologue
through his fores skype to forgive Zebo, there was so
much weight behind it, but it's like they both had
to forgive themselves as much as each other. But it's
(27:18):
done in like a span of ten seconds, and it's
so powerful, Like we could literally do I think a
three hour deep dive on those ten seconds alone, because
it's so profound and something that we can take out
of it. And the same thing that we talked about
Canaan's quote about everybody's afraid. But you know, it takes
more strength to be vulnerable than to try to put
on this bravado and pretend that you're not being bothered
(27:40):
by anything, Like to admit that you have a problem
takes more strength than anything else.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But they're seeing it without beating you over the head
with it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
It's so like like again, this the case study of
this episode alone, it's like I think, JC, we're probably
gont have to do a three hour deep dive on
this just just I can just make a note of that,
because there's there's so much in it, and also just
the all of you bringing it to life the way
you did, and even at the end, like Vanessa when
(28:08):
Harrah's talking to Cebo, like, I love that moment because
again on a lesser show, when Canaan says he needs
to be alone on a lesser show, it's like no, no,
you have to hear this right now, and then they
would tell or maybe that would be the cliffhanger, you know,
or like or Caro would actually tell Ezra, this is
what happened to your parents, and then that would be
(28:29):
the cliffhanger. But instead she respects his boundaries. She listens
to Canaan. Kanan also has a mad respect for Hara
as well, and again on a lesser show, I don't
think that would have happened. But here that's where those
little dynamics, you know, really make the big difference. And
I feel like, you know, when you watch a show
like This is Us that has those dynamics, those saying
(28:51):
dynamics are right here in this animated series.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's pretty incredible to see.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And there was another nod to Falcrum, who at this
point is Ashley or Ahsoka, sorry, one of the same,
but the later at this point that's that's Ashley's character.
Because at the end of the season, Fulkrim is revealed
to be Ahsoka. So Cebo goes with Ahsoka. Is that right?
(29:19):
She says, you'll be safe with Fulkrim, And you say,
can I meet Folkrim? I say no, and then I
sort of shepherd him off the ship. Did I misunderstand that,
or that's.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
How I understood it. To Fulkrim was was gonna give
him safety.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, probably also pick his brain for intel.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I would.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, I'm interested this as tangential as I always do,
and this. I noticed something in this episode that I
was like, I've never noticed this, and this is Tya
or anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Do you guys know what is on the left shoulder
pad of Sabine.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Is it an owl?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I believe, No, the left one.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I have to look at a picture.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I should know it was. It's a wolf? What I know?
I was like, how have I never seen that?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Whoa?
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Okay, no, I left on her left arm, on her
left the shoulder, the shoulders letter whatever. Yeah, it's like
a wolf with its tongue out. My friend, is that
tattoo on his leg?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Really?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I was like, I mean not, it's not off of this.
He's had it before we did.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Not so cool anyway, Oh I find.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
It silly that I don't. Oh my god, yes, look
this is my brain.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
If you can see that.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I thought the same thing, and I was like, wait,
how have I never once seen this?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Oh my gosh, And.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It looks like the loaf wolves that we end up like, yeah,
you know, it.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Reminds me of It reminds me of Okay, one of
my this is un character. It seems not like this
would be true, but one of my favorite movies is
three hundred. It's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It is a great movie.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
It's just a great movie. Facts anyway, you know at
the beginning of that I have that movie literally memorized,
from like start to finish. I could probably act it
out for you.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Okay, there's a bonus episode one woman show of three
hundred car.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I will pay a dollar for that sake.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
All the spartans and all the versions. Anyway, the wolf
at the very beginning where when he's a kid and
he's in the training, like he has to go out.
Do you do you remember this movie? Yes, that's what
that wolf reminds me of. But I should really really know.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
But I was like, how have I never noticed that?
And I noticed the end this episode. I was like, oh,
that must be crazy. I wonder if that like changed
over the seasons or something.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
But I don't know I.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Did, right, because that's only her her kit changes. Yeah,
Oh hey, I'm not crazy. Wait, there was an owl
at some points.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
So the three.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Which is I mean, if I had to choose, it's pressed.
That's my favorite iteration of Sabine. It's it's the owl
on her left. Yeah, call that I called that people,
That's not what it's called. JC helped me. What is
that called that little arm up shoulder hitch guard whatever? Yeah,
so I guess season one it was a wolf, like
(32:40):
a scary booking wolf with its tongue out.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Did you know there? If you google cosplay you can
buy her full cosplay costume.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'm sure I did.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Actually, I mean about the wolf.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I don't know. Yeah, you were gonna dress, you.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Were doing your early May the you know, Calloween shopping,
waiting for.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
It.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Says shoulder pads is how they describe it here to you.
But I don't know, Jesse, I know it's not quite right,
but that's what they say here.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
J C.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Taylor.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
I'll twin with you with that being get up. We'll
be like the removed of Twins with shorts and agger.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And it's called a pauldron, Caldron. It's a pauldron, very nice,
brought to you by Randy. Randy, my tech assistant.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
A pauldron is a piece of plate armor that protects
the shoulder and upper arms.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Look at this guy. Look at this guy j C
two point zero.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I think I thank you Etymology. If e Paulette and
Pauldron have anything to do with.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Each other, my goodness, podcast Deep.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Doesn't really appreciate the entertainment that you are here for, Merriam.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
They're sorry I did bring that up, but I was
just surprised by it. And I'm sure fans who are
egoized they will be like, yeah, of course I know
what to be like.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, Dodos like you know that. But I guess maybe
her owl pauldron is fresher in my mind and this
one was longer ago, so I but yeah, thanks for
bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It just felt like an easter to me, like knowing
where it goes, I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I feel like.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I was gonna say, And also just knowing how much
the creator of the show loves loves loves wolves. Yeah
there's that, and does every I wonder I was gonna
ask a question to our audience that doesn't make sense.
I wonder if people know. I'm sure some of you,
many of you know, but I think Vanessa you'll know
(34:50):
the answer that the owl it's called a conviry after
Dave's wife.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Oh did I up? And I don't know, but I
love that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's cool. I feel doesn't it represent Aska in some way?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Like it is a connection because when we are in
the world between worlds the owl.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yes, at the end of season three, I believe the
fight that she has in the Jedi Temple with Darth Vader,
and we don't know if she's alive or dead.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We see the that's two right end of two?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Was it two or three? Two two? I don't know.
I've lost he since some time. I'm sorry, the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
All of you.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I've seen all of that. I've watched the show.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I know Taylor, Well, we'll get there.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well, for some reason, I thought it was season three,
but maybe I have no idea anyway, But the point
is there is an owl at the end of that.
But I don't know that it's technically an owl. It's
probably called what Tia said. J C will fill us
in what I do. I do think that this is
(36:04):
the part of the podcast where we invite all the
Sabine Cause players to demonstrate their coseplay, you know, in
response to this, and we can create like an ongoing
story with about a billion Sabines, and we can amplify
and share all the wonderful cause players that do s
(36:25):
I feel like this might be the episode to really
celebrate them. You know, I'm socials. I'm just saying, I.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Mean, shout out to all my Sabine Cause players I
have met. I've been lucky enough to meet a lot
of you in person, not as many as I would like,
but hopefully we can rectify that in the future. But
it never ceases to have made me like, how rad
these I would say, girls, but like all kinds of
all kinds of folks that cosplay Sabine.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And yeah, how beautiful.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
There'd work is and how like just like the commitment
and the artistry, it's really inspiring. Yeah, I'm not like
bowled over by getting to meet Sabine Couse players in
real life.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think bonus content would be to have like a
cause playing celebration of some sort. But I'll have to
think about the parameters of it and where we could
do it, and.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
We'll get there. And you know, if our audience is
going to demand live shows, then you know, then we're
going to give the audience what.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
They want, and.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
That we do not do a lot of Well, then
we'll stay here on Zoom and keep figuring it out.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Well, they can also join on Zoom, but you know
that'll that's doable. That's what I did. I told you
on my one of my live streams. I invited all
the heras on and we had one big I think
it was a Zoom, wasn't it. I think it was
a Zoom meeting and all the heros from all over
the world were I remember they were talking about the
struggle with the mom jeans. They were like, oh no,
(38:06):
you know, because they were from everywhere. They were really
going in on the belt buckle, the mom jeans.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Oh the oh yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
The struggle Yeah, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I think the hair of pants are very high waisted
and cause a lot of strife. But what I love
is that there's like this Hara support group on IG
and I'm on the thing and that's where ta they
go on and on about how great you are, like
all the time, and you know, there are other topics
of discussion, but a lot of them are like does
anyone know what good lip color is best? For season four?
(38:42):
I love it, And they're like Clinique blah blah blah blah.
I can't remember the color of it, and I was like, oh,
good idea, and I google it there sure enough that
you know she has sort of a purple lipstick in
season four. I mean it's very handy. I love the
community is so supportive and welcoming of anyone in all,
a lot of people who There's probably a Sabine chain
(39:03):
as well that I'm unaware of. But what I do
is when I go to an event, I say what
are you? Who are you on IG? Follow me and
I'll put you on the DM list. And then suddenly
they it's like this hive mind of hera solutions for
Harah mom jene problems. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
Well, coming soon with our merch is going to be
space Mom jeans, so look out for that in our
online store. I will be first in line to get that.
So I think we're almost at the point where we're
going to invite our resident fact checker, but a couple
more things I want to point out before we do,
And I'm going to talk slowly to Gilbi hopefully get
JC a little more time to if he has to
get the information somewhere other than his brain, which even
(39:44):
though he doesn't have to go anywhere other than his brain.
So in this episode we have the device that Sibo
points out, the XX twenty three that can track a
ship while in hyperspace. Now, to my knowledge, I've never
seen this in any of the prequels original trilogy. It's
probably in the books, and if anything, JC will know
(40:06):
which book, maybe a Timothy's On book or something like that.
And then we'll let alone what Taylor lued to before
detaching in hyperspace to throw off the trail. Never seen that,
So this kind of adds to our rebels did at
first Hashtag in terms of trend setting in the Star
Wars universe. And the other thing is we have another
language that Sabine understands, and that is Hatise because Cibo
(40:28):
speaks Hottez and she's like, oh, he said this and this,
So add that to the tally JC. That's going to
be a very very long, very high count rather of
how many languages Sabine knows. And I think that's all
I have, and I'm going to just keep on milking
time just in case JC needs more time. But with
that being said, let's invite in JC for our fact
(40:50):
check l.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
You guys got you guys got there on a lot
of this stuff before you needed me today. But I
will confirm a lot of what she said. I think
we talked about a little bit last episode. Cibo has
the Lobot cybernetic implant. I don't think we mentioned it
is an AJ six cyboard construct. We mentioned Echo has
(41:14):
the same one, so Eco, Lobot and Cibo all have
the same.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Head droid things on.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
X X twenty three s thread tracker is made by
Seiner Company. They're the same company that's fell tie Fighters
and kind of supply the Empire with all of theirs.
It is supposedly, and I thought, John, I thought you
were going to get here. Supposedly is the same tracker,
(41:43):
not the same physical tracker, but the same model of
tracker that Tarkan Invader used to track the Millennium Falcon
to Yavin four in a New Hope.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Supposedly that's what they say.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
You guys mentioned two thousand and one A Space Odyssey
as the Phantom fell out of hyperspace and the colors.
I also noted that I thought it was beautiful. It
appeared very like Star Trek warp Drive Colory or Proto
Drive from Star Trek Prodigy to me as well, which
(42:19):
obviously are have We're posts two thousand and one. Tia,
you mentioned that the show didn't feel like a PSA
at one point, so I just went deep on PSA
lesson recaps at the end of shows. I don't know
if you guys remember those, but I'll give you guys
a little history lesson in terms of like when cartoons
started becoming PSAs. The first show to do it was
(42:44):
He Man, and then G I Joe, which we all
know is where knowing is half the battle came from
Gem in the Hologram's Mask in the eighties, and then
they went away for a little bit and were revived
with Captain Planet in the nineties, and Di's gone out
of fashion again. Cibo's voiced by Peter McNichol. The major
(43:05):
thing that I noted about him, John, based on your
opening you mentioned ghost Busters, he played the guy who
you know worships Vigo the Page. I'm not sure, Vanessa,
you were kind of right in a bunch of different spots.
(43:27):
He played Kronos in Justice League Unlimited, Doc Spectacic.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Oh, that's right, man, I was Mary Jane in that sorry,
I got confused. Those are both Greg Weisman shows, Uh
Doc ok and Spider and Spectacular.
Speaker 9 (43:40):
Retacular Spider Man. And then he was in Young Justice,
but he played Professor Ivo and Am in that show.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I'm sorry I conflained in there.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
So from a certain point of view, you were right
on multiples with that one statement.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I love that choice of word. It's a certain point
a certain point of view.
Speaker 9 (44:00):
John, you mentioned the Ali McBeal quote, which the proper
quote is, if you think back and replay your year,
if it doesn't bring you tears, either of joy or sadness,
consider it wasted. By John John Allie mc vanessa. You
mentioned the quote resentment is like drinking poison and waiting
for the other person to die. Is the proper quote
(44:21):
originally attributed to Saint Augustine Malachine mcclark, and.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
That's right, quote Augustine.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
But.
Speaker 10 (44:33):
Mega Catholic No okay, anyway, The person who is credited
with bringing it to popularity, most recently Carrie fish Essa marshall.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh look at that, yes night.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
We don't see at the end, but we do see
fulkrim ship. It's a cr ninety class Carillian Corvette or
Blockade Runner, which is also the first ship we see
in Star Wars episode for a New Hope you guys
got there. You did a pretty good deep dive from memory.
On Sabine's shoulder armor, one of the shoulders is painted
(45:12):
with a dejeric board pattern that has the number five
on it for Specter five. The left one, though changes
season to season. The wolf tailor that you noticed is
called in a Nuba. It isn't a loth wolf, but
it is called in a Nuba, which is looks like
a wolf. Embo who shows up on the show had
(45:32):
a domesticated one. The other then there's another creature that
is on there for some time, probably around season two,
and then the convour the owl is season three, and
then in season four there's a pergole on the shoulder oh,
which is like, how is how is that?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Miss? I don't know?
Speaker 5 (45:56):
I mean, I feel like if anyone should know that
my shit. But I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I was trying to put you on blast. That's sharing.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
So yeah, it changes often.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
We see that owl, that convoy uh con The convoy
is the Ahsoka Convoy is named Marii, who is representative
kind of of the Daughter from Mortis from the Clone
Wars episode shows up in chapter thirteen of The Mandalorian.
(46:29):
Also in Ahska Part eight. The first appearance is the
Mystery of Chopper Bass from Rebels also shows up in
Twilight of the Apprentice, Wolves at the Door only as
part of a mural and the World between Worlds, which
is when this convoy that is associated with the Soka
first gets its name.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Maria, You're like, this is a pretty chill one.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
You crushed it.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
It's like, I don't have much.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
I just have the making model of every single thing,
and they're currently ringing this time on the New York
Stock Exchange.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I feel like we need to have like a trivia
because I'm sure fans are listening, will know a lot
come on. That would be fine, And I'm putting all
my money on you.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Man.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
I will tell you there are a lot of kids
out there who are far younger than I am, who
have watched Rebels and Clone Wars like ten times each.
I am.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I am not as good as a lot of the
kids out there.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I love that.
Speaker 9 (47:35):
I still.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
We got your back.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Well, we'll corner you like you know when boxers walk
on they have everybody walking them to their corner, like
we'll walk out to like the.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Triba with you. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (47:48):
Absolutely, like that picture of Mike Tyson and like Magic
Johnson's walking with them. It's like from the eighties and
well we'll walk hard like that. So uh, thank you JC,
as always for the fact check. It's always epic. Thank
you to our listeners as always, remember to rate, subscribe,
tell your friends, tell your family, tell anybody you want,
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Speaker 3 (48:10):
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Speaker 6 (48:10):
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with us, you can send it to that email and
we will feature it here on the show.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, we'll share with Tia.
Speaker 6 (48:17):
Tia will give her Tim Gunn type critique and maybe
tell you to make it work and maybe not. I
don't know, make it work. But if anything else, I
think it's time for our outro, which is what cue
the music is?
Speaker 8 (48:29):
That?
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Is that what I think?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Cue the music.
Speaker 6 (48:34):
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Speaker 3 (48:45):
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