"Idiot's Array" (S1E11)

From poor gambling decisions to an alien voiced by the legend James Hong to the appearance of Star Wars legend Billy Dee Williams reprising his role as Lando Calrissian to the crown jewel: a puffer pig. The group unpacks all of this and as always shares plenty of behind the scenes stories!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I do remember when we were recording this one. I
couldn't believe I punched Lando. I loved it. I kept
thinking like, how am I going to do this? Hey, everybody,

(00:21):
what's up? My name is Vanessa Marshall Harrison Doula, Specter two.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi, I'm Tsir cars the being Ren Specter five, and
I'm Taylor Gray.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Ezra Bridger, Spector six.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
And I am your non spector moderator, john Ley Brody.
And today we are talking about season one episode eleven,
Idiots Array. In the words of Johnny Lawrence, let's begin.
All right, everybody, this is a very I would say,
a special episode. I remember seeing this in real time,
not one but two very special guest stars. One is
a huge character in the Star Wars canon. But we

(00:54):
have an equally of not some ways more legendary actor
who is also a guest voice on this up episode.
So I'm excited to get into it. I'm going to
do my recap because I want to get that kind
of in the can for you so we can really
deep dive into this episode. So are you all ready
for this?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
You're ready for this, We're ready.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Let's go all right? Here it comes Idiot's a Ray
original Airy Day January twelfth, twenty fifteen, same year that
Doc and Marty went to the future and found hverboards,
but different month. All right, here comes the recap. It's
tough times for the Ghost cre right now. They got
no food, they got no jobs. There pet touch are
falling off. Okay, not the last part. Well maybe that
was just for you, Ta, I know how much you

(01:32):
love dumb and dumber. And to make matters worse, Zeb
gets himself into some gambling trouble like Matt, Damon and
Rounders directlessly betting Chopper and it gave a sabah against
the guy who sounds a lot like the one time
just Attorney of Gotham City. The guy is none other
than the Lando kel Region and now thanks to Zeb
and Canaan, the Ghost cruise in his debt and must
move some mysterious cargo for him in order to get
the credits they need to get Chopper back. This doesn't

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go over well with Hara, but Lando was quick to
assure everyone there was trademark smooth talk that there's nothing
to worry about. But between a sketchy deal with a
slave crime lord named as Morgan, where Orlando trades hare
for the mysterious cargo, forcing him to free your cell
via an escape pod. Lando's smooth taw causing the division
with the crew, the mysterious cargo turning out to be
a puffer pick that expands it the worst time a
ghosts cover being blown at the Imperial Blockade. It's safe

(02:17):
to say that this deal with Lando is getting more
so all the time. However, like they always do, the
Ghost crews like Tim Gunn on Project Runway, and they
make it work. After evading the blockade and getting back
on the Thal, it looks like the cruise in the clear,
but to everyone's surprise, as Morgan is there waiting for them,
determined to bring big trouble to Lando's little farm. An
all out blaster battle that would make Brian de Palm

(02:37):
and Michael mannfroud ensues, with the crew emerging victorious thanks
to an overall group effort, and though they win this battle,
they won't be getting credits that Lando owes them, but
they do get Chopper back with the bonus gift that
Lando's fuel cell courtesy of Chopper's artful dodger Thievery waves
as Lando watches the Ghost take off like Ellie watching
ET's ship fly away. The man who will soon be
well known for his extensive cake collection, caps off the

(03:00):
episode by confidently claiming that he will see the Ghost
crew again. And that is the recap for Season one,
episode eleven Idiots a ray.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, nicely done, nicely done, excellent. I really appreciated the
Tim Gunn reference. Yes, I say make it work all
the time, and I often think of him when I
say that, and.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Now it is your phrase.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm oh, why, thank you, that's great, thank.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
You, thank you. And the dumb and dumber I know
that on our text chain, I like to quote dumb
and dumber, and I was like, Oh, they don't have food,
they don't have a job, like Harry Lloyd. Let's let's
do that. So this is a big one. Landa Calarisian
has entered the chat for Star Wars rebels. I'm guessing
Billy D. Was it in the booth with you or
was he in the booth of you?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
He probably Dave Faloney trusted us to maintain composure if
he brought Billy D to record with us.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, he was at the time, he was filming Dancing
with the Stars, and so I believe he came in
and recorded at like six am or something crazy. He
had to go over there because I was freaking out
that all my childhood dreams were about to come true.
And of course when we got there, they were like,
oh no, he's on set for Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So I just assumed it was because Filoni was like,
I am not letting these nuna ticks anywhere near Billy
d Williams. Give the man a piece.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I because we met him at like some of the
events that write like Stars Celestate celebration.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think I eventually met him in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I've never met him and I and I.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Didn't know if I should. I mean, James Arnold Taylor
said well, if you'd like to meet him, like hello,
and he took me over to I was just mut yeah,
A huge fan of Sabah, huge fan of the Cape,
huge fan of the whole Intergalactic.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
All of it. So with that you just mentioned Chicago.
That was twenty nineteen Star Wars celebration, which is where
I have a Billy D Williams story from that. Let's
remember I was hanging out with you, Vanessa and Taylor
and Freddie in the green room at McCormick Place in
Chicago because it was in my hometown and Freddy had
an extra ticket to come back. He's like, hey, would
you like to come back and then also visit your mom? Like,
oh yeah, let's do this. So do you remember when

(05:14):
I brought the donuts to the Greenville Yeah, So shout
out to my hometown donut shop in Palatine, Illinois and
Northwest Highway Spunky Dunkers, just in case anyone's in Palatine, Illinois.
I told them. I was like, Hey, I'm going to
Star Wars celebration. I would love to treat all the
people there, like, not just the cast that are there,
just people that are working there. So I had like
six dozen donuts. I don't know if you remember, like

(05:34):
I saw, and everyone's going crazy, like they're going pretty
quick because they made them all fresh and everything. And
that's what Smunky Dunkers does. They make donuts fresh, like
they bake them fresh twice a day. They never do
it frozen, they never deep fry. It's like very very uh,
the way you're supposed to do it. So everyone's getting
into it. And at this point, Taylor and Vanessa you
went gone off and you were doing one of your

(05:56):
many signings or panels that you had to do that day,
and I'm just sitting there and I hear this voice,
so these are the donuts I'm hearing about. And I
look and it's like, oh my god, it's it's Bill Williams.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, this these are it. He's
like oh, it's like it was like what. He's like,
where where are these donuts from? And I'm like, oh,
it's my hometown donut shot Spunky Dunkers. Like huh well,

(06:18):
the name like that, they must be good. And I
was like yeah, and then you grab one and that
was it. That was my Billy d Williams story. But
I was like, man, can you see that into the
camera once so I can send it to my friends
who owned Spunky Dunkers. But yeah, that was That was Billy.
He's so smooth. He's like, oh, yeah, that has a
nice day.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
That was a really good Billy. Also, Spunky Dunkers is
a great name for anything, really, But.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Want me bring Steve back for Potter Rebellion after dark?
We can talk.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
About I have a habit of saying things that I
mean completely innocently and then people tend to react in
a way and I'm like, why what, Oh, I see,
I see what I did, and it's never intentional.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Well, I will get us hooked up with some spunky
dunkers at some point, or maybe we'll do something in
Chicago together and we just visit there, Yes, because they
woke us up. Because god, that was five six years ago,
six years ago.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Now at the start, we went to dinner the three. Yeah,
we went to the Teaky Bar. But I was I
didn't know you back then.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, I don't think you were there the day I
was visiting. Yes, so we're like we were two ships,
the Ghost and the Phantom.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you will in orbit, Well you had that experience.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
It was great. You know, I want to be like,
I love Brian's song, but you know, just you know,
he knows probably he.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Knows, he knows that you love brian songs.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
We all love.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
We all love Brian's song.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Well, I I my favorite line is in this one.
That was a very useful tray.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I wrote it down because I liked it so much.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
That is a fan made me a handbag with that
phrase and harah holding the tray. So that is has
a special place in my heart. But what about James
Hang though, I mean that guy Taylor. Do you remember
when he joined us remotely?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I was, wait, James Han I recorded with him in
New York or you were in me?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
What? What was that? Dare?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Remember that for a little time I was away and
I was he was in the room and I was like, no, no, no,
this first one she was in LA because the reason
I wait, didn't you do a movie with him?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I did a movie with him and.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
We talked about yeah, because I heard you it's throwing
the kitchen to me. Yeah, because I also in.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
New York, NASA, we didn't he didn't record with us
in the booth, right, No, he was remote.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I feel like he was remote and he was. He
was kind of saying funny stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
To Taylor's He was saying.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yes, and I remember seeing Taylor's face that sounds that try.
So I have a I mean, it's I just have
a brief Like I mean, my my story is not
a Billy William story with James Honk's story, which is
that we shot a movie years ago in Thailand together. Yeah,
it was great. He is such a character. I know

(09:30):
that's kind of a vague thing to say, but like,
I don't know how else to describe him, Taylor, I
think that you would probably concur like he's he's he's
a hoot. And I remember this was so many years ago,
and yet we I remember we uh celebrated his eightieth
birthday on that shoe, and we took the production got

(09:51):
it like they took us all out on like a
boat down the like a boat ride down the chow
Priya River, and to celebrate James's eightieth birthday. And I mean,
if we could all be so lucky to have that
amount of energy and zest when we're eighty He James
and I danced on the like they like had music playing,

(10:13):
and we danced and danced and had like this big
beautiful tie feast on the boat. And and that was
my James Hong story.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And he remember any of this when we were reco.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So I like worked up the current. I'm like a
real scaredy cat. I like never approach people that I'm
a fan of, just because they don't want to be like,
you know, I don't want to like invade anyone's privacy
or space, and so I'm I'm very loath to like
approach people and say like, oh hey, I'm a bit
But I was like, I mean we did this movie together,
so wait, was this in person? He must have recorded

(10:48):
with us then, because I think I.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Was a multos because I have two distinct memories of one.
I remember you, Tah, and I was like, go talk
to him much just yeah, I think you just tell
him yeah. And then I also I swear I was
in New York with this dude that he was like saying,
and I was looking at the camera, Oh you guys,
because we're like on zero, were.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like, and I'm like, Taylor, Taylor, you did I was
telling you this and I was like, I don't want
to say it, and you were like, dude, you shot
a movie with him, Go tell him. And I think
you like gave me the courage to go do that.
And I did and he was like, oh that's nice.
And I was like, this man does not have any
recollection of our time together entire land.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I was like, either way, this is gonna be fun.
If he remembers, gonna be great. If he does, it's
gonna bed he.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was very sweet, but I don't think he he
remembered it all.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah. I love when he's like, hair is outfit is preposterous.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh my god, I wrote that one down too. He
says to retire is preposterous, that the train is acceptable.
I'm like, this is this episode is so good. It's
full of like really funny equips in like one liners.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So good.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
What is his I wrote down what is his name
as more Moregan as Morgan, but.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Although Lando says it two different ways because yeah, he says,
that's more like how people can say Oregon Oregon. Yeah,
Lando kind of pulled that the potato potato.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Well.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think we've probably already discussed this on this podcast.
But it's funny because Dave always, you know, if we
were like, oh, this is a new word, what how
do you say that? He invariably he'd be like, how
would you say it? And we were like, an I,
being like a type a perfectionist, would be like, but
how is it pronounced correctly? And He's like, but people,

(12:30):
just within the US people pronounced Spokane Spokane, Like there's
people not everybody pronounces everything the same way, So say
it how you would say it? And I'm like, no,
what is it? I want to say it the right way?
But yeah, so I think he probably was totally fine
with him saying it as Morgon as Morgan. That's just

(12:50):
how it goes with the.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's what it's only because Lando's in it two ways,
and he's like, yeah, sounds good to.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Me, like a sandwich at Jersey Mice.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I remember at the time people on social media saying
that the preposterous comment was because previous to this we
had only seen tweetle likes as dancers for Java. Yeah,
and this is the first tweed like who's kind of
crushing it as a pilot and a humanitarian and all
sorts of yummy things. And I don't think did Hara

(13:24):
ever dance. I don't believe she did. But anyway, Jesse
JC can let us not. We'll have to fact check that.
But but I thought that was completely hilarious.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, and also, Vanessa Hara is really rising more to
the forefront now at this point of the series, where
you know, like there's a badassery there because the other
one where her and Sabine on the plant again they
got escape from there and there, so you see that
she can obviously has combat skill, she's a really good pilot,
but here it's like you see more of this. You know, yeah,

(13:58):
you may be Spectr two, but it's more like Specter
one A and like two Spector ones. Because and even
here it's like Canaan's really be like oh no, like
she is our leader, Like yeah, she's impressed, Like yeah,
of course she is, Like I know she is. I
know she's awesome. And up to this point we've seen
hints of Hara's like badassery, but this is where we

(14:19):
really get to see more of it, and then the
next episode will do next week that really really rises
to the forefront. So it's but it's making us earn it,
like we know it's there, and it's so like gratifying
to see it like rise to the forefront. So that's
what I see as like a viewer, I don't to
the best you recollection, Like when you get this script
and when you're getting to this point, I'm like, oh okay, cool,

(14:40):
Like it's it's allowing you to dig a little deeper.
I would love you to just dig into that a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I thought it was interesting how she sort of plays
with the idea of femininity to like, oh master, you know,
she has this whole voice that she pulls out that that.
You know, it's very manipulative and strategic, and like the
minute the door closed, she's like, yeah, that's a useful tree.
You know that it was all sort of put on,

(15:05):
like his master requires more time alone. You know that
she just kind of can put on this subservient nonsense
and you know it serves her well. I thought that
was I didn't know she had that ability to be
so sort of mercurial and playful and deadly, and when

(15:25):
I love how she just goes off off screen and
you hear bang, like, well, I guess that guard met
his untimely death out there, or at least a head won't.
But yeah, I enjoyed doing all of that. And then
you know she gets in the escape pod and she's
good to go. She's completely fine.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, that gag remind him it was very Indiana Jones.
Whenever Indiana Jones to knock the guy's guy out and
then steal their outfits, like you hear the sound effect
and you just see the feet being dragged out. I
was like, that's so Lucas, like Georgia Lucas right there,
which I thought was awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
JC might have to fact check this, but is Hara
the only one that says Zeb's full name on the show.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, when she's mad. Yeah, yeah, I think I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Think any of the rest of us. I don't think
any of the rest of us chastise him in that way,
like you know, in that maternal you're in, you know,
figure wagging. Yeah, I think it's funny when you I
always get a kick out of it when you use
his full name and he knows he's busted for whatever
silly or dumb thing he's done.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. I also love how Lando was so into your
artwork and how much it really annoyed Ezra.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
I know.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I've noticed your artwork. Yeah, but you didn't know, but
you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Why, you didn't know why you liked it. It's very
it's all that stuff. It's very sweet and very funny. Also,
Chopper is like extra spicy this episode. I mean, understandably so,
but he's like bringing the sass. Yeah, yes, I appreciated that.
Like we know that Hara is a badass, but especially
as John was saying, especially in this episode, but I

(17:06):
like that we see that she like she's in complete
control the moment she realizes what's happening, and you know, uh,
like Canaan's freaking out and trying to enter it, and
she's like, but bup, bup, I got this, And you're like,
what is how did what is about to happen? And
how does she already know what's you know? And then

(17:27):
of course she's in complete control and we're all just,
you know, in awe of her cool headedness and capability. Obviously,
but that was really useful.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Tree is my favor. Harr is playing a different chess
game than everybody else. And then but she's also going
to be like, Okay, I'm pretty sure this is what
it is, but let me wait it out and figure
it out. It's like, I think I know what this
Lando guy is all about. And then when she figures
it out, she calls him out like hey, enough with
the divide and cocker, which I love that. It's like, hey,
cut the cut the crap. We know what you're doing.

(18:01):
We're doing a job and that's it, which is so
when I think about next week episode, not to jump
the gun too much. You have a moment similar to
that where you see things coming and which I think
is really cool because Hair being a tweeleck and we
have two Jedi a Jedi and training and a Jedi
on board where they're almost kind of like they can
be pre cogs and kind of see visions in the future.
But Harra is very much here right now, but can

(18:24):
also just see what's in front of her and what
the patterns are. It's like, it's very like again, it's
like she's playing a different game than everybody. That's why
I'm like, look, she should be specter one. A Orkan
should be spect one.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I think they should be co specter one.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
I like that, you know, I like that.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
So money feels like it's kind of diminishes her.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean not to just respectfully, but I
think there should be co captains co chairs code.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
To quote Leonardo DiCaprio and Keshmi Ifican. I concur but
you're right, she.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Is like the most tapped in of everyone.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Like I feel like if for the sake of the rebellion,
she's actually like the most vital of the like as
this smaller piece in the bigger rebellion. I think she
is the most important for making sure that we accomplish
what we need to and especially because she's the one
communicating with everyone else.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And don't you think what you just said just kind
of sparkled it in my mind, which I don't think
i'd realized before. But I feel like, Haarah, I'm just
realizing that Haarah seems to have U how do I
say this? Like figured it out? Like she She's able
to separate her past and her baggage and her trauma

(19:47):
the most effectively to achieve the goals that we have
set up for ourselves. Like everyone else is you know,
Canaan even who's like Specter one, he's struggling like often
and constantly and like struggles with you know, his guilt
and whatever. And then of course Sabine and Ezra and

(20:09):
zeb As we'll find out more in the future, but
like you know, we learn more about Harra's past and
her you know, struggles that she's had to overcome. And
yet Hara's she's the most like with it and together,
and she does.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ways.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
She's got her eyes on the prize and doesn't allow,
like doesn't falter in that sort of quest for what
we're trying to achieve. So good job, Vanessa, way to
keep it together.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
She's very Mama mentality. Would that's right?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, it's funny because I'm I'm looking over here and
I have this moonshine cantina thing from the Outer Rim
sbok Leah. Yeah, at the time of recording this, I
had never played Sabak. Huge Star Wars fan, but I
knew of Subak, but I had never played it. I
now have you know, a deck of cards, and I

(21:06):
have a group I play with online nerd Alert, And
it's so cool that we were inducted into the yeah,
the OUTERBAC League, and I was hoping that we could
do some sort of live record somewhere. I know that
they're in Nashville. That's where we met them, and it
gave us the moonshine and all that stuff, the moon pies,

(21:27):
and but I love that we've come so far that
when we recorded this, I had no clue but and
since then we have become better friends with even more
Star Wars fans. And shout out to the Outer Rim
SUBAC League. Please join now if you'd like to play.
But I think that that's really sweet that you know

(21:47):
we've we've grown as the BAC players.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
It sounds like we got some bonus content coming up.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'll start playing students on draftings. I'll start up Okay,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
My my.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I mean, I feel like I now do this sort
of every episode, just as I learned Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Just question that I'm I've genuinely been wondering do blasters
Are they stunning or are they killing?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Like?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
What is when they're hitting people?

Speaker 5 (22:15):
It feels like sometimes they choose that they kill and
sometimes it's like or is that person dead when they
get hit with the blasters?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Are the settings? I think you can? I know Star
Trek for sure they do set your phases from stunned
to kill. I would think that there's that option we.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
JC but just I mean, like, obviously I don't know
the answer. But when you are training, like and I think,
I don't know, you're shooting, like when they're training, when
you're you know, I think I'm getting ahead of myself.
Maybe in the next episode there's like a training sequence,
but we're like shooting at Ezra and he's not. At first,

(22:54):
I was like, this is a really dangerous way to train,
But then I was like, oh, but that's just getting
shocked or stunned, Whereas like when we're shooting at storm Troopers,
obviously we're shooting to kill.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Laughing because movie.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
J we need you, He'll help us.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
I'm laughing because in movies and shows whenever, like heroes
are being trained, like they're always tuning in a very
dangerous way. So I'll bring up Batman begins when rachelle
Ghul is training Bruce Wayne, and I'm like, wait are
they using real swords? Like why did you kill them? Batman?
So like so it's a funny movie trope and movie
TV trope and like wait, this is extremely dangerous totally,

(23:38):
but must.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Be a setting there must be. Well we'll get that true.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
So often like we're what eleven episodes in, I'm like,
sometimes they're falling like they just got stunned.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well that might be like a Disney XD thing where
that you can only have so many so much explicit
uh like death explosions in the shell.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
When the ships blow up. I'm like copy that right.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I don't know. I wonder if there was like
a like a Disney element to that of like, you know,
we don't want people like bleeding out on our on
our show, like you know what I mean. So I
don't know, great.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Question, Jacy will let us know. Yeah, I do remember
when we were recording this one I couldn't believe I
punched Lando. I loved it and that I kept thinking, like,
how am I going to do this, you know if
we're recording like and he wasn't there, so, you know,
so I fleshed that out when I watched it sort

(24:39):
of in its full form eventually. But I do remember
being in the recording session and the Lando line where
he says, well, I'll just have to owe you one,
and I'll never forget this one. When Freddy looked at
me and when we finished, he was like, cloud City,
cloud City because he helps the rebels cloud City, and

(25:01):
I thought yes, and the seeds planted in the yeah,
you know, we both were like, oh no. But what
we didn't have was his last line, and I saw
it when I rewatched it again last night, where it
then he's like, well, of course I didn't pay them,
you know, because I let them take my fuel blah
blah blah. And it's like, oh, maybe he didn't os

(25:23):
why not?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Actually, Agamba never shows his cause because yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'll never forget that moment where Freddy and I looked
at each other and we.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Were just like, oh yeah, I will say, just like
a broad strokes kind of thing based on what you're saying.
I know, I know we've talked about this before on
this podcast, but it just just to reiterate, it was
so like invaluable to me. And I'm just gonna throw
you in there, tailor, because I know you and I

(25:52):
were in a similar boat as far as like breadth
of knowledge when it came to Star Wars and we
were like, you know, and arking on this journey just
to have forget you know, filony, but like to have
Freddy and Vanessa as like, you know, you've got like
these two encyclopedias on Star Wars and like just they're

(26:15):
not just like knowledge of Star Wars, but also insight
and like opinions that we could say. I could be like,
well what is I don't even know what this is,
and between the two of them, one of them would say, well,
you know in episodes such and such in season three
of Clone Wars, such, there's this this story arc and anyway,
it was just for me, it was like invaluable to

(26:35):
have the two of them to kind of like rely
on for their just like encyclopedic knowledge of stars.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I remember being in the wait you we all know
the studio there's like a waiting room that we would
wait in until our producer, Lindsay, who's great, and their
casting director would would come get us and bring us
to the back and we would kind of like catch
up for a few minutes before we went back, And
I remember the whole first season being like I don't
what am I?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
What am I doing?

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Like okay, and just trying to I felt like I
was cheating before a test, you know, like when you're
going into school testing, like I didn't study for this,
And I'll be like, Okay, who's this?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
What is this?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I would ask Vanessa and Freddie and then we'd
get back and Dave, as we've talked on the podcasts,
would then give us this sort of prologue of what
was going on, and I remember how often I would
look over at them and be like, that's exactly what
you said, Like you would literally corroborate the exact same
thing that they said. And then when Sam got in
the mix Forget bro Bro, he was saying so much

(27:33):
that that what Dave was saying.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'm like, actually, Dave, no, I think this then happened?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, Sam, Yeah, put Sam, Freddie, Vanessa and pulling Sam
room together and j C.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Now we have Jona, I got it. Yes, we could
take anyone down. Yeah, I'll catch that tribute.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
We got the we got So you said something. Think
about for sharing that, because this is kind of a
natural segue to Sabine because we learn a little bit
more about her art. It's sake, you know, she's like
she's the van Goa, the ghost Creup basically without the
ear I hope, without that, but with that and you know,

(28:18):
peeling back those layers, and it's not just her paining
to pain, like you realize this is some sort of
almost coping mechanism because we don't know. I don't and
at this point, I'm sure I don't think you would
know any more of her backstory than you did in
the first episode. But when you know how like what
the layers are to her story, what she's been through,
what she's going through, the art makes that much more

(28:40):
sense and this is the way she sees the world.
And I thought that was really cool. My question is
they mentioned January A. Byth. Did they give you any
sort of context of what January byth is? Like, what
does this artwork look like, because like it's a very
specific thing for the impressionistic connoisseur as Lando clothes himself
to point. I know, but I was like, oh that's

(29:02):
I like that detail. And I was just curious of
h kind of contact you had.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Doll, Vanessa, do you remember? I can't. I wish I
had a better answer for you, but I don't remember
if I mean, I knowing Dave, like, I'm sure he
would have said, like, I'm sure he would have given
me information on that, but I don't. It's been so
long that I don't recall. J C might know.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's always the best answer to go to. It's like,
well j C will know, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't remember that specific. I mean I feel like it,
you know again, like if we needed to know something,
there was never a time that felony wouldn't have like
given us the information that we needed. So yeah, I
wonder if at that time he, I'm most more than
likely would have given me some information on who that is. Sadly,
my brain does not retain information like the rest of

(29:52):
y'all too.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Actually, now it's coming to that, Januar, but was like
a renowned male.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
There's well, there's our social clip everybody.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Sculptor from Garrel.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Actually, oh yeah, when he was young, when he was yeah,
when he was young and worked as a propagandast supporting
the Galactic Republic.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
What where? No, No, he supported soldiers during Colone Wars
wait rhetoric.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Where did you find this?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
And the Evils of Count Duke? You don't forget that one.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
My god.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
This is where we realized that Taylor's been hustling us
all along, like he's seen everything, like he is Wikipedia
dot Com.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like, yeah, wow, okay, well I must have known that
at some point, and I'm so glad you remembered all
that information all this time, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to leave that space open
for you, but I gotcha.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So he's a savant, you know, just sponge more. I
really like when I like, I thought that there's like
especially a lot of like funny one liners and like
back and forth quips this episode. But when he's like
a connoistant and you're like, I know what that means?

(31:13):
What does that mean? It's I enjoyed this episode so much,
And you.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
See how much Canaan and Ezra alike in that regard,
because yes, your care comes smooth talking Lando Calvarisian, you know,
Redent and all this stuff, and what he said, I'm
a galactic entrepreneur and I've in the case.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Like I know what it means, what that means.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, and uh, it's the first thing you really see
Canaan kind of rattled a little bit, a little bit
of jealousy there, and which I like that because we
already have fallen in love with these characters at this point.
But when you add in these little human qualities, these
human emotions that are very real, it just humanizes them
even more. It's like, yeah, you're watching an animated series,

(31:51):
but like we've talked about this before, the acting is
very real, very top shelf. Uh. But also like when
you give the characters like a real humanistic trait, that's
what's going to be a great storytelling. I think stan
Lee would talk about it. He's like when I created
Spider Man or any of the superheroes that created, he said,
I had to give him real human problems. They can
have these powers, but give him human problems. And this

(32:13):
is that, like Stanley won on one if you will,
in terms of let's layer in all this stuff, because
up at this point, Canaan's kind of shown a little bit,
he's shown his concern for Ezra, but this is the
first time we really feel like he's like his imposter syndrome,
which is like, dude, you're a Jedi, Like what why
would this guy who doesn't even have his capes yet
like be threatening to you?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know, yeah, security exists everywhere.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, And it's very sweet too when he like you
see the panic when you know, Harah is like going
along with the plan and he's like who wha whoa
whoa whoa.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So they have this like.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Nonverbal exchange and she like basically gives him a look
like it's okay. You can see like the panic in
his face, and he's you know, it's a sweet moment,
and you're like, oh, he cares about her so much.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
How about that puffer pig?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Though?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
That was so cute.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I love it, like hilarious.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I loved it. I really enjoyed this episode. I like
was laughing out loud.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Little Ezra, little hope you're getting like suffocated at.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's a funny device that.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Yeah, it's a I mean there it's like a puffer
fish basically, yeah, right that it just fills up an entire.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
When when as it was like, yeah, your cargo is snoring.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
That's the thing that was throughout Rebels that I always
found so funny is how many like creatures, I guess,
the way that they used the every different creature throughout
like we've already seen so many and knowing what's to come.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, with the the thing in the Crate, it reminded me,
weirdly enough, of Seven, Like What's in the Box? Like
curiosity got the better. It's like, it's the obviously family
friendly version. Different, Yeah, sparing Gwyneth Paltrow of any squirting maliciousness. Yeah,
but that's what I think. I'm like, What's in the box,

(34:19):
but like the nicer version, because you know, Ezra and
zeb they're these like brothers now and they do get
into mischief and they egg each other on and even
those little I call them like junior high insults like
it's not my fault, Like, well, it's your face's fault,
like I wrote that down, and like I can just
see the like obviously the chemistry was there from day one,
you know, because that's why we're here, But you see

(34:41):
it just growing at this point and it just seems
like I don't know again, I wasn't in the booth
with you all, but just watching as as like a
spectator and like as a fan. It's like I can
feel like the funness being let out of the box
a little bit. Especially at this part of the season.
It's like we're really like we're already all in, but
like now we're really all in, and yeah, you know,

(35:01):
we're at the tail end of season one. Now we
got three more i think the wrap up season one
of Rebels, and we're leading up to some pretty big stuff.
And and again like this this thing with Harah rising
to the forefront of this episode, it's really set in
the stage for next episode and the ones beyond and
and all these really cool reveals. So yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
It's it's been so long when I hear Harrah yell
at zeb and and you know, she just sort of
really brings the heat to a lot of people in
this episode. I'm like, I don't remember screaming like that.
It's so it's so so much time has passed. I'm like, wow,
I really uh really got into that.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I don't do much of that in my real life.
So I'm like, well, I'm glad I was able to
capture that scolding energy.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
But yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It was a lot of different colors, a lot of fun,
also very touching and and I think we definitely did
get to know a lot of the characters, even Ezra's
vulnerability when he's defensive about his appreciation for the art.
I don't know, everyone just showed a little bit of
vulnerability in this. I thought it was very sweet.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
John.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
As you were talking, I was just thinking like, oh,
with time, you know, you gain perspective. And I was
just thinking like what if. I mean, I know we've
talked about this, but like what a fun time we had?
Like what like as you were talking and I was
just thinking back, and like it did feel we were

(36:36):
having fun like we were It felt easy. I Mean
when I first started, I was terrified because I didn't
know what I was doing and I'd never done such
a thing before. And I luckily had these amazing prolific
voiceover actors to just try and like learn from.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
Me.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
But gosh, like it was just easy because we all
just really kind of fell into our sort of Yeah,
there was there was nothing. There was no like ramp
up period. I don't think as far as like our
interpersonal connections and relationships. It was just kind of immediate back,
take us back.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Take us back.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
It's eighty eight miles per hour taking it back. You know,
thank you for sharing that, Tia, and you've all been
so open about I guess lack of a better trans
impossible syndrome, like I didn't know what I was doing
and two things. It reminds you one of uh, Steven
Spielberg told this story, but when he was on Jason,
Henry Hathaway told him like, look, there's gonna be a
time you're gonna get the set, you won't know what
you're doing, and you just have to guard that secret

(37:39):
and figure it out. I'm paraphrasing, that's not the exact quote.
And I think you all sharing that because you're all,
I con you know, very high level performers, and the
product you turned out clearly is very high level as well.
But I think that's all people see. They see the
finished product, you know, of anything, and I think you
sharing that, Hey, look we were kind of figuring it too,

(38:00):
And I think that's important for people to know because
I'm sure we have aspiring actors and filmmakers and voice
artists people that want to get into the industry, but
they see the finished product like it seems so unattainable,
and you all being graciously open about it. It's just like, yeah,
like we're all figuring it out too. Steven Spielberg was
figuring it out, and that's Steven Spielberg George Lucas figuring

(38:20):
it out, and you three were figuring it out. But
we got what we got. And I think that's such
a key component to why you get what you get
because you have to remain open to like understand that,
yeah I don't know, but let me be open to
get received new information so we can get what we get.
So so I appreciate that as a fellow performer and
also as your friend.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, well awesome, it's it's it's it's it was fortunate
for me, and I'll just just lump you in here
with me, Taylor, that we were surrounded by the likes
of Vanessa and Steve and Freddie and Dee Bradley Baker
and like, like like to have people like that to
be able to just like in your most frenetic moment

(39:05):
of like do they know that I don't know what
I'm doing? You just look at these people and go okay, okay,
all right, I can do this, like you know, just
having like great teachers and friends to be to try
and like learn from and you know that's that was
really helpful for me.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
So you two were Luca and they were Lebron. So
basically what we're saying to throw I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I mean that analogy. It was more of adults and connects. Probably.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, I'll take Luca.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
You're a bit of a Dulton, you know, deep cut,
he's he doesn't know what he's on real. Oh shout
out the Dalton connect. All right.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I've always thought of myself as a little more of
an Alan Iverson. But that's just you know what she
was going to say.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yes, I was going to say that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I was going to say, Alan Iverson, that's crazy, it's
I love that. Well, wait out of curiosity when you
say I could compare you to a handful of athletes,
who are those athletes? I want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I could think of other NBA players for either Sabine
or to you, but Alan Iverson for sure is.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Not in that.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I feel like the one thing you would choose are.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Like bad no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I would have to think for a second, I guess
I'm more curious. What do you know?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
It's just because I love Alan Iverson. I just like, like,
I'll worship allan Iverson. I don't actually think of myself
having anything to do with allan Iverson. It's wishful thinking.
But that's weird.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I literally was about to say, and then you said it,
So maybe there's I think it's kismet and therefore true.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
But also okay, when we look at what.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
The shortest one, so I'm always the shortest.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
One, that's not one.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Well, he was also such a he was also such
like a disruptor. You know, he was doing the corn rows.
He was his wardrobe was what he was. He was
unapologetically himself, which is also Sabin. She's like, I could
wear the traditional Mandalorian armor or I'm going to do
it my way, which is what you do. And you
expressed with your art, except your art is through painting

(41:22):
and all that stuff, where Ellen Everson's art is basketball.
So I can see that connection for sure.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I still stand by. I still stand by. It's a
good one. It's a good one. But he definitely disrupted.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
He changed fashion, so I could see this sort of
artistry a little bit, but like he I'm a huge,
huge on arms, but neither you nor Sabine would step
over Tyron Lou you know what I mean? And that
that is Ai AI is crossing up or even someone

(41:56):
a little further down that line.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
All right, okay, I'm MONU.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
We're gonna make you a hybrid to that. You're the
Fundamental Answer, which what we'll call it what Tim Duncan
and Allen Iverson. I think I like that the Fundamental
Answer a new nickname, and also shout out to Allen Iverson. Look,
if you want to join us on our podcast, Oh
my god, always open. He's been out there so you
never know.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
What if?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
What if Ai is like a huge Star Wars fan?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
You never and what if a I said, you know what,
I've always just had this sort of connection to being red,
I would eat all of my word.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I was gonna say if that happened, Sailor, someone.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Would have to resuscitate me. I'm just saying that would
also be nuts and I love it.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
But he would come down a.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Click, that's messed up, that's messed up.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Kidding, that would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I appreciate that, Vanessa and John that you were able
to see it and that you didn't.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Laugh in my face. No, I love it.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
That'd be a fun maybe something for us to think
about me for next week's episode of Basketball equivalent for
your characters like I won't.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Like.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
I think I think that could be fun for our
listeners as well. So maybe you're right, your.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Man, the gears are already turning. All right, all right,
h I have homework to do.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
I think that's we all have homework because I'm going
to think about it. I'm gonna I'm gonna go all
the way back to like Bob Coosey, like I'm gonna
go Wow Basketball, Harlem Globetrotters. Are you saying that hair
is Marcus Haynes because I can get on board with that.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Maybe oh man, okay, we.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Should get a Kevin Kiner version of the Sweet George.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, all right, we have homework.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
We have homework, thank you.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
And so to our listeners, so let us know, yes please.
So I think everybody on that note is going from
one answer, Allen Iverson to other answers. Let's go in
on our fact check with our guy jac What have
we got? My man?

Speaker 8 (44:15):
So I talked to Alan Iverson while recording, and he said,
Shopper is definitely the character from the obviously I'm making it.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Also are three I think Isiah Thomas? You know That's
what I would say, like, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
He's definitely a Detroit Piston. Yes, take your pick.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Joe Dumars, We'll give him that.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
Can I be Phil Jackson since I sit in the background.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, I love that.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
You are very zen to JC. So it's all very
on brand the moment for you.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
Yes, all right, off basketball Back to Star Wars. I
have a a controvert question at the end of their
fact check for Vanessa. But until we get there, John,
you mentioned Lando as Harvey Dent. Harvey Dent's a character
from the Batman Mythology and Billy d Williams played Harvey

(45:17):
Dent in Tim Burton's nineteen eighty nine Batman.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
For all of you who are like, wait, what is
he talking about Harvey Dent?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
What is that?

Speaker 8 (45:23):
Let's see, we talked about James Hong quite a bit,
and you guys were trying to figure out was he
in studio?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Was he not?

Speaker 8 (45:30):
Was he in New York with Taylor? James did three episodes.
So the answer to all of your questions is Yes,
he was probably in la he was probably on Zoom,
and he was probably in New York with Taylor. We
will get to him again in the episode Brothers of
the Broken Horn and the Win Kathu Job, where he

(45:51):
also plays the same character if You Love James Hong. Also,
he is in Star Wars Visions season one, I believe
as the elder doing the English voice.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
In that episode.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Okay, I looked.

Speaker 8 (46:07):
I'm unable to definitively say whether Harra is the only
character who uses Zeb's full name. There is some unsubstantiated
evidence that Canaan mentions his full name. But this is
an opportunity for the fans of the podcast to respectfully
fill in in the comments, because I believe at this
point the Star Wars galaxy has gotten so large that

(46:29):
no one person or even team of people can know
everything about Star Wars. So let us know if any
of you guys know exactly if Zeb's full name is
mentioned by anybody else. But I do believe Harr is
really the only person who says it. Perhaps Canaan once
or twice we talked about pronunciation of names. Lando changes

(46:51):
the way he pronounces the name of let me get
it as Morgan. I want to also point out that
Lando calls Han Solo Han and just to go down
the rabbit hole. A little bit further, Tia, you mentioned
Dave Filonio is like people pronounce things different general. Jan Dedonna,
when doing the Desk Star briefing, mentions the plans provided

(47:14):
by Princess Leah very clear. So even within our main
characters of the the movies, the core set of main characters,
Hahn has pronounced several different ways and Princess Leah is.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Pronounced several different ways.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
Interesting, Taylor, you guys talked about blasters having different settings.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
I think pretty definitively they do.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
As evidence in Star Wars Episode four, at the very beginning,
the Stormtrooper looks at Princess Land says there's one set
for stunt.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Cool.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
I think that probably clears that up for all the
people at home who love the minutia of Star Wars
the way that I did, I did the research.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
You don't have to go in.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Puffer pigs are not related to Ugnot's ug Knots being
the little pig likecharacters on Cloud City that takes C
three Po's head and throw it around. We briefly talked
about Sabak. I'm going to go on a deep dive.
I'm going to talk really fast because I have a
lot of information on Sebek and I feel very strongly
about it because when I was in college a million

(48:17):
years ago, I played sebek online back in the late nineties.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Why are you saying tobac You're like a guy from
England talking about pasta and.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Attack from Chicago.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
That's Chicago accent coming out.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Wait, that'sa or bak.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
But but yeah, John and I and Sam Whitt, we're
all grew up together. We're all a couple of years
of play playing well in Chicago. Everything is a is
an as a short.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Ay, my Chicago accent's gone. But if you would have
asked me this probably ten fifteen years ago, I would
have said tobec because it's like and I would have
said a nam John and not John John.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I'm home.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
I've gotten rid of most of mine. But there are
a few words that it comes out. And also I
was living in Chicago when I was playing all the time,
so that's probably where it goes back to.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
I don't even notice it anyway, A quick history.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
Many many believed because I'm going to say it wrong
this entire time, and I am sorry. I'm going to
pronounce it. Yeah, I'm going to pronounce it the way
Lando pronounces hand. Many believe it's a reference to an
early draft of Empire Strikes Back, where Han Solo beat
Lando to win the falcon in a game of Sabaka

(49:35):
was what it was called. The original rules of the
game were created by a guy named Michael Stern and
Douglas Kaufman and Greg Cordon for the West End game
Star Wars RPG companion called Crisis on Cloud City, and
the book came with a deck of punch out Sabac
cards so you could play within your role Star Wars

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role playing game. That book was released in nineteen eighty
nine and is discontinued. In the original Sabak game, there
were seventy six cards with four suits, the suits being coins, flash, sabers,
and staves number one to eleven. There were also face
cards of the Commander, the Mistress, the Master, and the
Ace which are valued twelve, thirteen, fourteen to fifteen respectively.

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Then there are special cards the Queen of Aaron Darkness,
which has a value of negative two, Endurance which has
negative eight balance, which has negative thirteen, Demise which had
negative thirteen, Moderation negative fourteen, the Evil one negative fifteen,
the Star negative seventeen, and to coincide with the title
of this episode, Idiot's Array zero, which was the idiot

(50:38):
many believes to Baka is based off of a tarot card.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Deck and it sounds like tarot cards.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (50:44):
The face values correspond to the writer weight tarot card deck.
The first time the card types were named was in
el Ni L. Neil Smith's Lando novels from eight nineteen
eighty three, which was the mind sharp of Sharu, and
they are used to tell someone's fortune in that book.
Lando is name dropped Sharu in the solo movie, not

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Billy D Williams, but Donald Glover's Lando. The goal in
the game of Sebak for all of you who want
to play at home, are sabakh.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
Now I'm going to get tripped.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Up on that.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
The goal of the game is to God yeah, close
to twenty three or negative twenty three as possible. Also
for the people at home who are doing exactly what
Vanessa's doing right now. The rules that I quoted were
from the West End Games Sebak when Disney bought it,

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and it became part of lead theme parks and you
could buy decks and everything.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
All the rules changed, so I'm giving you the old
school rules.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
The goal is to get as close to twenty three
or negative twenty three as possible. The positive score is
better than the negative, and at some point in the
rules of Sebak, the score of forty six was put
in there also, but it was then taken out, so
if you're playing at home, you're not trying to get
forty six anymore. You pull cards into your hand, they

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randomly shift in your hand. They're like electronic cards. You
can put the cards into an interdictor field, which will
keep them from shifting. But when you do that, the
cards go face up, so people know what's in your hand,
so then they can play.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Like in a poker game.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
It's like showing some of your cards in order so
that they don't shift in your hand. There's four phases
in a game of Sebak, just like poker, bet, call, shift,
and draw, and the best hand that you can get,
which is why this episode is called Idiot's Array is
the idiot's array, which is if you have negative twenty three,

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I have positive twenty three. But Vanessa has the cards
in her hand, the zero card which is the idiot card,
the card two, and the card three.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
It is a literal twenty three.

Speaker 8 (53:01):
Called the idiot's array, which is the top deck that
or the top hand that you can get in some
back that trump's all others. I think that's everything I have.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
On so oh oh god, I've got the rules here,
and I'm I can't even I think you've got the
rules already.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
The rules that I gave are the old West End
Games rules. For the current rules, you can, good luck
look up. You can look up the Disney rules. That
was for old school people like me.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
I actually had pulled some info on Jane or of Bith,
but it was not as good as Taylor's juicy in
Universe stuff. Janer of Bit was first mentioned in the
holow net News special report in twenty fourteen, which was
a website that put out Star Wars in Universe news.

(53:52):
So this episode tied into a fake news story that
was published on star wars dot com. And then he
was mentioned again in Pablo Hidalgo's book about Galactic Propaganda,
which is obviously Taylor's memorized that book, which.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Is where read when I was back in college.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Actually, yes, when you were at university.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah, but I'm glad that we could cross reference.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
As Morgan was on a ship called the Merchant One.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
It is a light cruiser, the type of which first
appeared in Spark of the Spark of Rebellion. It is
the same ship class as Visago's ship called the Broken Horn,
and this ship class also appeared in the Solo Live
action movie. At some point, you guys talked about some

(54:46):
of your favorite lines. This is you know, that was
a useful tray. At some point, somebody mentions boz Pity
in the episode if You're Got Eagle Ears Like Me.
Boz Pity is also mentioned in episod Sewed three by
Obi Wan Kenobi with reference to Master Quinlan Voss, who
shows up in other animated forms but we never see

(55:09):
him on screen. Bozz Pitty was originally mentioned in the
Star Wars Obsession comic about Assage Ventris, who shows up
again throughout multiple Star Wars animated things. That comic was
written by Hayden Blackman, who was in charge of Star
Wars The Force and Leash video game by Lucas Arts.
And we've mentioned Sam whitwre several times. Sam Whitwaer was

(55:31):
the title character Galen Merrick or Darth Vader's apprentice in
that video game. So it all comes together to the
will of the force. Here's my controversial question. Lando at
the end of this episode says, well, we'll see those
guys again. He never sees the Ghost Crew again. We

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never have that on screen reunification with the Ghost Crew. However,
Ko has chosen to be the general that leads the
attack on the Second Death Star, right, he's goal leader.
Now we know for a fact that Hara is part
of the rebellion. During that time. Haara fought on the

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Battle of Scaiff. You hear General Sindula said over the
PA system when they're prepping.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
For that battle.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
We know that she fought in all of these If
as Harra Sindula Vanessa as the person who knows that
character better than anybody, how does Harah feel about this
two timing guy who sold her out as Morgan getting
the opportunity to lead the attack on the Second Death
Star when Hara was sitting right there.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Honestly, much the same way Canaan is specter one. If
I can quote Laotsu he who knows doesn't talk, and
he who talks doesn't know. Haarah is happy to have
a clown do whatever, as long as a the job
gets done. I don't mean to refer to my Lord
and Savior as a clown, because I love me some Lando.

(57:09):
But she has the humility to know when to strike
and when to remain silent, and when to look like
number two in order to get the job done. So
as long as the job's done. As long as the
job's done, I don't think she cares Amen's sister.

Speaker 8 (57:26):
That is a so much better answer than I could
have ever imagined, and that's why they paired the Big Books.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
But the thing is, that's kind of what Freddie and
I were thinking. I mean, yes, Cloud City, initially he
didn't have to help the rebels at that juncture, but
we thought, oh, maybe he owed them one. But also
when I heard at the end of this episode, oh,
I give him my fuel and blah blah blah, of
course I didn't pay them. They all see him again,
and I don't. We didn't see them again in the cartoons,

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so I thought we we Actually he didn't really owe
us anything, but Freddy and I wanted to tell ourselves
that everything that followed from this episode in the films
later on, we're hinged upon this scenario of this trade
gone kind of sideways and whatever else.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
So I don't know, no, I mean at the end
of the day, but I'd liked I'd like to believe
I like your answer. I'm inserting that cannon you know, cloud,
but I say that's canon.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Whoever fought today's Wookipedia put it in there.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Well, Taylor, since we come to find out you're the
creative Wikipedia give me that I.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Currently have this thing on my phone called clear space.
It doesn't let me go on social media right away.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Okay, unofficial ad read is that we got? Is that
what we got today?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Jac, I appreciate time.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Also, jac On behalf of us and now on behalf
of our listeners. We do pre record these, so this
isn't going to come out for a couple of months.
But jac at this moment that we are recording this episode,
just had a new baby. We want congratulate you. We
send a lot of love your way to Jen and
Jocelyn and your newborn daughter. You're you're the ultimate girl
dad right now, but we want to want to share
the love with you and also all of our listeners

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who we also think for sticking with us. So we
wanted to express that to you, Jac because we are,
you know, like a we are a family here, so
we want to make sure those familial vibes shine through.
All right, and I guess I made it officially awkward,
So I'm going to seg thank you everybody once again
for listening. We will be back next week with the
season one episode twelve, Vision of Hope. It's that's a

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