"Path of the Jedi" (S1E10)

From unlocking the Jedi Temple on Lothal to Ezra facing his deepest fears to a special visit from an old friend via 'Force Skype'. The group talks about this, how the episode has vibes similar to 'The Alchemist' and much more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I say this with love and admiration, so I please
know that.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
But like it reminded me that when we started this thing,
you were a little baby teenager. You were like Tandy
Bopper Nickelodeon Star, and you were cocky af you were hockey.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's up, guys, you're listening to Potter Rebellion. This is
Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger, Spector six, and I'm here.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
With Vanessa Marshall. I am Harrison Doula, the voice of
Specter two, and.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I am Tia Sercar, voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
And with us we have.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
I'm John Ley Brody, voice of me nonspector, but the
full on moderator of this fine podcast. And today we
are going over season one, episode ten, Path of the Jedi.
Let's start the show. How is everybody so good?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I loved watching this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
This is a great one, a great another you know,
Canaan and Ezra bromance episode, but also character building. We're
getting more and more peeling away the layers of this story,
and ez we're learning more about himself, and we get
to learn about Ezra as he learns about himself, which
is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, it is no, no, no, ask Morgan is
the next one?

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Oh yeah next week? Yeah, next week?

Speaker 7 (01:29):
How I can screw it up with the first thing?

Speaker 8 (01:32):
I don't think. No, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's because I wrote notes and I usually watched them
two at a time, and I wrote world between worlds
as well. It looked very to sort of foreshadow where
we go part of that Kyber Crystal. And John, You've
probably more insider or Vanessa than maybe too who knows
like this process of going and finding in Kiber crystal.

(01:53):
Where was that established? Like where do we first see that?
Because I've never seen that.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Well we can there was a Clone Wars episod and
j C will probably have a lot more of an
intricate history of the Kyber Crystal. I mean I first
heard about Kyber crystals and like the comic books, like
the dark Horse comic books, that's the first time I
heard about it. But I do remember in like season
five of Clone Wars, and jac can fact check me
on that, there was a whole young Lings episode where
they had to get their Kiber crystals, which is a

(02:18):
great episode.

Speaker 8 (02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I was going to say the same.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I know, but John John got to it first though,
we're reading off the same script and I just kind
of stole Tea his line.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
That's all just what that's all about?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Love?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I thought of war, War between world what is it?
War between worlds? World World, World between world.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
That's the new Spielberg movie coming out this summer.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
It gave me those same vibes and like the like
just right out the gate, it's like very atmospheric, like
the cold on their breath, and you know, he what
does he say? Canon says temple spread through the stars?
Like is sick it. It feels like a little bit
of a departure from like where we've been, like these

(03:04):
episodes that we've been watching, and suddenly we've got this
like really cool, very.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Forced, prominent episode. And I really liked it. I thought
it was like a cool kind of.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Foreshadowing to what we're about, what we're going to get
into in future seasons.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Now I want to make a movie with the four
of us called like War between the World between Wars
or something like the World between the World Between Worlds.
It'll be like a Philip K. Dick sort of story.
It's like in a world between worlds and worlds, there's
a war and like it'll just like even the movie trailer,
guy was like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I like it?

Speaker 9 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I also was so tripped out on Canaan with the
inquisitor and he gets stat I was like, Okay, I know,
I know this isn't real, but I was so confused
this everything, and it sort of reminded me. I remember
talking to Dave during this episode and saying like, oh,
I connect with this in the way that it felt like,

(04:04):
and this is not going to be a good example,
but like I remember taking the first time you try psychedelic,
you go like, Okay, I'm gonna be seeing some crazy things,
but you like enduring and persistent, and you know that
there's growth happening and you don't necessarily know why, and
like you think of Joseph Campbell and the great myths,
and there's a lot of myths in some of these

(04:26):
ancient cultures of like going through your deepest fears to
grow and come out transformed or whatever. That that other
side might be, that maturation, and I watching it, I
don't know, being a little more on the other side
of it now. I loved that whole process because I
remember being so young and I've kind of scared by
so many things, but also if it scared me being like,

(04:48):
that's where I need to go.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, you're like the Arion Williamson poem like Our Deepest
Fear that was in Coach Carter, Like you're basically yeah,
my boy Rick n Zalez who played Timo Cruz in
that movie, like he got to do the our Deepest
Fear thing. That's what I thought of, and that reminds
me of you, and it is Ezra because like when
you read that poem, that is like part of his
deepest sphere and that's also like Canaan's in which we'll

(05:10):
get into. But before we get too deep into it,
shall we do our little recap and then we can
jump Sorry yeah, no, no, that's because you were in
a flow and I was like, oh I want to
hear this, like I was leaning in.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm so sorry we skipped right over it. So just
before you before you get into that.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I just really love that Taylor thought of Joseph Campbell
the first time he took his can tell it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Please Please?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
All right?

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Here comes the recap for season one, episode ten, Path
of the Jedi original air a date December twenty nine,
twenty fourteen, and it goes something like this. The episode
begins on board the Ghosts, for Canaan is looking for
Ezra to come into that day's Jedi training, but, like
Marty McFly in nineteen eighty five, Ezra is late for school.
This frustrates Canaan and he tells young his young Padawan
that he lacks discipline and focused. Cane questions Ezra desire

(06:01):
to be a Jedi, and truth be told, Ezra does too.
So the solution is for Ezra to take a test
see he's really meant to be a Jedi. The Master
in Padawan take flight in the Phantom instead, and instead
of using GPS or a Thomas Guide, Ezra needs to
use his meditation powers to locate the Jedi Temple where
his tests will take place, and it just so happens,
like Santiago and the Alchemist, the very thing Ezra was
looking for was on his own home planet. Upon getting

(06:23):
to the temple, is discovered that it can only be
opened by a Master in Padawan. So, like the Planeteers
and Captain Planet, Canaan and Ezra let their powers combine
and open it up. Once inside, Canane tells Ezra that
this is a test he must do alone. As Ezra
takes these very intense Jedi SATs, he is forced to
face his deepest fears from Canaan, from Canaan being killed
by the Inquisitor, to be in the opposite of Sally
Field that the nineteen eighty five oscars with the Ghost

(06:45):
Crew in that they don't like them, They really really
don't like them, and it's all a bit much for
the young Padawan, and like a Nathaniel Hawthorne story, he's
not sure what's real and what isn't. He starts to
feel abandoned and alone. He starts to doubt himself, but then,
as if he had just watched a Brene Brown ted talk,
Ezra realizes he is enough and it faces all his
fear's head on. It's at this point a guiding voice

(07:05):
comes to both Canaan and Ezra by way of force
Skype all the way from the Dacoba system. The guide
ultimately leads Canaan to fully embrace his role as teacher,
and Ezra being all in on his intentions on becoming
a Jedi, and in this apparently rewards based Jedi test,
a lightsaber Khyber Crystal lands in Ezra's hand like he's
bashing in the never ending story getting a single grain
of sand from the childlike Empress Canaan and Ezra lead

(07:27):
the Jedi temple, knowing that like a Luther Vandro song,
it'll be there for them always and forever. The episode
ends back on the Ghosts for Ezra puts the newfound
Kuiper cursal used by constructing his own lightsaber and veils
it for the ghost crew, and everyone agrees that it's
different from any other lightsaber they've ever seen, but like
the nineties Arb slogan, it would appear in this case
that different is good. Ezra ignites the lightsaber and that's

(07:49):
the end of season one, episode ten, Path of the Jedi.

Speaker 8 (07:53):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Wow, yes, that might have been.

Speaker 8 (07:57):
The best one yet.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
We have a Paul Kowelio, a Nathaniel Hawthorne reference three
eighties movies references Luther Vandros Like that was wow, so.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Says I wrote.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
I was like, I think that's wait because like when
I was listening to the episode and can't like it'll
always be that, Like, wait a minute, there's something here,
like in my mind went to Luther Vandros just like
Taylor went to Joseph Campbell and our greens working.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
This is great culture and it's fine. It's Nathaniel Hawthorne.
I'm gonna come out and adm who's Nathaniel Hawthorn.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
He's a very prominent author. So did you ever watch
The Sopranos.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
The first time I got hip to Nathaniel Hawthorne is
when Metal Soprano's visiting college and Tony Soprano sees this
quote on the wall like one person can't be one
person for the public and one person at private, because
you're not going to know which ones which. And it
was at that one like, oh, who's this Nathaniel Hawthorne.
That's very profound.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So that's what Nathaniel.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You've read Nathaniel Hawthorne because you went to like public
school in America. But he wrote The Scarlet Letters, Girl
a Letter, but he also wrote The House of Seven Gables,
The Seven Gables.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Nice, okay, well done, thank you.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
And then Brene Brown too, So we got a lot
of like mental health talk and literature.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
And this is a very Ezra heavy episode.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
And I know, Taylor, when you and I first met,
we talked about just what books to read, like we
had like our own unofficial book club.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
It was just the two of us.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Yeah, two people could be a club, that's right.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
All right, yeah collective. We want to make it sound
a little more fancy.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
But yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Out of curiosity, what what were some of the books
on your in your book club or on your reading list?

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Okay, well, I remember I recommended to him there was
this book called Double Exposure and it was by al
Goff and Miles Miller. They were the creators of Small Bill,
and it was this really wild story about how this
person is like a restores films and they find this
film of that Adolf Hitler's alive sort of thing. It's
a wild story, sorry, that I did not expect from

(10:01):
the writers of Small Bill. And I was like, hey, Taylor,
I just feel like you enjoyed this, and he's like,
oh yeah, okay, so it's cool.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Like historical fiction or like what do you call? Is
it historical fiction? Like what Tarantino would do with.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like yeah, yeah, it's fantasy. I mean there's a fantasy element,
I guess to.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
It historical fantasy.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Like historical fiction, I feel like, is like a fictional
story set in a real time, whereas like he's sort
of bending, like he's rewriting what.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Absolutely took place. So I don't want.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
People write that like John Lennon is or yeah, John
Lennon is still alive, like that type of made up fantasy.
But we do get Yoda and historical.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's unusual.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I mean because Tom Kane played Yoda throughout all the
Clone Wars, so for us to get actual Frank oz
and he did sound a little deeper and richard and
old or obviously as we all age. But I thought
that was really special for this episode. You know, I
love Tom Kane very much, but the original voice that

(11:10):
was quite profound.

Speaker 10 (11:12):
This you know in your recap.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
When you said the original air date, I realized that's
probably why I never saw this episode. December twenty ninth,
Lord knows, we were all dealing with holiday stuff. I
had not seen this episode, and I actually I found
it quite riveting. I remember dealing with Ezra's dark side
and that it always scared me. You know, I didn't

(11:36):
know which way it would come out. Obviously, I know
which way it comes out. We know the ending, but
this was interesting to me on two levels. One that
as the cave is sort of closing down, Canaan gives
Ezra advice, and after the cave wall falls down, he says, well,
that's what my master told me, that he really has

(11:57):
no idea what he's doing either. Seeing that kind of
vulnerability in a master was really satisfying to me. And
I wasn't sure if these things were hallucinations or real
in real time. I mean, obviously I figured it out,
but I was riveted and really hoping that you would
not fall.

Speaker 10 (12:15):
I know, when you deal with.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Darth Maul, your eyes kind of light up red, like
not you but you know, in the past we've had
this fear of you know, which side your instincts would
sort of guide you to. And so in other words,
when you got the holocron and that image was so
beautiful of you and the stars and you know, the

(12:37):
Kiber crystal, not the holground, but the Kiber crystal falling
down into your hand, that was such a satisfying moment
that the goodness.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
In you won.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
And also watching you think through being left alone, and
you know, everyone feels victimized at some point, but that's
sort of the crux of the hero's journey when you say, well,
maybe he's not injured. Maybe he needs my help that
you turn your rage and self pity and victimization into

(13:09):
inspiring you to step up to be a hero in
your own life. And then that sort of cracks everything
open once again, Star Wars giving us such a profound
lesson that we all can either feel sorry for ourselves
or we can get up and do better. And you know,
not that our journeys don't deserve that kind of compassion
for things that have gone wrong, but it's always so

(13:31):
again satisfying to see a character really empower themselves and
be of service instead and be caring and kind.

Speaker 10 (13:40):
And also it was good to see.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Your characters fragility in the sense that you worried that
they were back on the ghost talking smack about you.

Speaker 10 (13:50):
You know, so that's part of your worst fears.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
But anyway, I just thought the whole thing was great
and it was really cool to hear Frank Oz again totally.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I also, I feel like we've talked about this so
many times, but I guess it is like so evident
to me in these rewatches of like that's like a
really golden nugget of truth and and like a really
thoughtful way to it's there they we the folks making

(14:21):
this show are imparting this really valuable lesson, but not again,
like not in a heavy handed you know, sort of
wagging your finger and like you can do better like that.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's not like that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's sort of couched in drama and action and and
you know these like emotional moments that Taylor, I thought
you were so great in this episode, but then when
you step back, you go, oh wow, what a what
a beautiful message to to impart on the audience without
it being like sort of bashing you over the head
with it, as if like it's sort of time to time.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
To teach you kids a lesson.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know, Wait that sounded negative, You know what I mean,
like time to like let's all learn about how to
persevere and this is how you do it. Like it's
just sort of a it's sort of a beautiful moment
and you take from that what what you what you
get from it? But I thought it was really beautifully
subtly done.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I'm always wary of when a character speaks to himself
in anything. I mean, because you're like, here comes the exposition,
like they need to fill it in, and I'm you
get sometimes in an ACN you fail, You're like stranded
on island.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
And when it was happening, I was saying to.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Who I was watching with those like like at times,
I'm it's okay, like because it's actually what's going on.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
He's working it out in this sort of fear.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
But also my biggest thinggue too, is I thought Freddie
was fantastic and so great. I said, like, I really
loved everything that he was doing, and like I it's
I don't do this much when I'm watching a live
action show, but for some reason, when I'm watching an
animated show, I if a line sticks out to me,

(16:03):
I just repeat it, like exactly kind of how they
say it for some reason, And so many of Freddy's lines,
like my friend and I we kept saying them after.
It's like he has such a golden sort of delivery
on some of these that I loved.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
And also just like that Star Wars, that beautiful balance
of like really high stakes, action packed and yet like
funny banter.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
What is he what he says?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Like you lost focus and you're like, well, dead guys
are distracting.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's so great.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I also, Vanessa, you said something earlier and it
struck me that I don't remember, like, having not seen
any of these episodes for ten years, I don't remember
that there was so much vulnerability when it comes to Canaan,
Like because Freddie himself is so strong and confident and

(17:01):
in control just as a person and as a friend
and as your big bro, Like, I don't remember these moments,
you know, where he Canaan questions himself and you know,
has these moments of like, uh, vulnerability where he doesn't

(17:23):
even think he's worthy of being.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Or having a padawan and Ezra and.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I just I think I just don't recall those things
because I mean, maybe maybe it's just because of my
like how I feel about Freddie and who Freddy is
to me, that maybe I just sort of forgot Canaan
actually has a lot of doubt and so this this
episode reminded me of that. And even in a few
past episodes, there's like he has a lot of doubt

(17:51):
in his own abilities.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I'm not going to say rightfully so, but is
the Inquisitor way stronger than him?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, but he's doubting himself as your master, right, Like
not just about like bad guys and being able to
best them, but just as like, does he even deserve
a padawan?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Can he handle a padawan?

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Like?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Those are things that I don't remember him questioning so
much in the show.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah, at least this is the first time he's externalizing it,
because it's almost like he's been telling when he tells Ezra, hey,
everyone's afraid, just but you're at at least you're admitting it.
You would think that, oh, he learned that lesson, but
I guess like he's still battling with that. So he
had to take his own advice, and which I think
is a big character growth moment. And I feel like,

(18:38):
you know, because you're in this temple with all these
dead bodies and everything, you know, the whole chasing ghost
sort of thing, where he's trying to live up to
some sort of arbitrary expectation that doesn't really exist of
what he's supposed to be, whether for himself or for Ezra,
and that's really what's holding them back. And I think
this is a realization of, oh, I need to own
my identity. And and with Ezra, what I really liked

(19:02):
about it was why do you want to become a Jedi?
Which it's such a rudimentary question, of why do you
want to do this? But we don't ask ourselves that enough.
In my opinion, the best advice I one of the
best piece of advice I ever got from a friend
of mine, was Hey, when you understand the why, the
how part is easy, sol that's is that what it is?

Speaker 7 (19:23):
Yeah, answers for.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Meaning when he went through concentration camps and wrote that book,
and that that was the thing.

Speaker 7 (19:28):
If you know your why, then you can overcome anyhow.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Well, then my friend plagiarized Victor Frankle then, so shout
out to you, Jason. But thank you Jason, because he's
he Basically I don't think he claimed it as his own,
but I associate with him obviously because he told it
to me. And it makes so much sense now that
Ezra knows why he wants to be a Jedi. The
how part of how it the could get there is
going to not be easy. It's going to be work.

(19:51):
But it's very symbolic of that. I didn't get that
out of that in twenty fourteen obviously because I just
wasn't there in terms of like my emotional charity. But
watching it now, I'm like, oh wow, this is some
some deep deep stuff we got going well.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Also he had to earn it, meaning, you know, your
conversation with the Canaan saying like what I thought you
were training me?

Speaker 10 (20:16):
I am a Jedi and he says, no, you have
the potential.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
To become one, and that it's it's not as easy
as just sort of you know, falling into it that
you had to be. You had to make the choice,
like you said that, understanding the why. But yeah, I
thought that that was also another really profound conversation because
a lot of us want to be things and just
don't know why they're not happening. But we have a

(20:39):
little more footwork to do and that questioning going into
the inner landscape and rooting out you know, those those
character flaws and transcending them. Then step into full power.
It's like nothing can stop you. Like you said there,
you can overcome anyhow, it's really what you end up doing.

(20:59):
And by the way, how cool is your lightsaber?

Speaker 8 (21:02):
Come on?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Now?

Speaker 7 (21:04):
I sell so much, I tell him.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I mean, Dave also loved it so much and he
took so much fried in it. It's one of I
don't know, I think it's the coolest thing, just for
the difference I mean, here comes another debate. It has
a blaster, Like, every lightsaber is a lightsaber. I don't
care what color it is.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's a different.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
If it has a blaster, I don't like if you
gave that to a stronger Jedi, they would be I mean,
I'm still trying to figure out in Star Wars what
a blaster means because he handed over to star Stormtrooper
and they a blaster means nothing.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
You might as well be throwing rocks.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
We error.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, but I mean the fact that it's a blaster
and a saber is just cool.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And and it's origin story. I had forgotten the origin
story of your black your blaster slash lightsaber until rewatching
this episode, and I was.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Like, oh, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's cool that like each of us had a part
in helping you create it, or each of you know,
the members of the Ghost crew, and like you made
that thing, and I had forgotten how how it came
to be.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Does it have a name, Lucille.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
J I wonder, oh, no doubt, I'm sure it does.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
When they sell it at that Toys R or Target,
I wonder what it says.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
But yeah, yeah, Pablo, let's go Glass their saber.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I just think it's so fun and obviously, like spoiler
when he gets the second one, I think the first
one's so much cooler and.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's one of one, like nobody else has that.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It's really cool. I will admit it is a very
cool weapon.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
We have a concession. It is very coolest lightsaber. And
you have to say dark s.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's a dark saber, but it is the coolest.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
It's the dark Yeah, pretty awesome the most.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
It looks the coolest for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's so cool. And also it has like a cool
club of people who have wielded it.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I would say, I don't.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
Know about that.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
It's exclusive. It's exclusive. It feels you know, it's special.
I don't know. Okay, we can talk about that another time.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
I can't wait till we get sam Wit We're on
and then we can have a whole dark so like
just that's going to be coming at some point and
oh yeah, okay, my favorite, my personal favorite. Yeah, like
I'm not saying this is the best one. You can
take it what you will. My personal favorite is Gungee's
lightsaber from Clone Wars the wood Panel one because I.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Was like, oh, this is so googling.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Googling, I might have, but I love the hybrid element
of as results I never school. Yeah, because I love
wood paneling. I love the old jeep wagoneers and old
station wagons, and I love wood panels. I've always loved that,
and that's one of the things Freddy and I bond
over because we both are obsessed with station wagons with
wood paneling.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Like it's like our dreams.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, well he's got yeah, he's going through is his
uh his Japanese sports car phase right now.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
But I said, one day.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
We're going to have matching station wagons with wood panels,
and everybody's gonna make fun of us.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
We won't care.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Because it's very cute, that's very sweet.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's goals. It's definite of us.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
I oh my Google of Judges. Lightsaber.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I then continued on shout out to game rant just
the I just put the coolest lightsabers and Star Wars
obviously ranked down. Uh as it's on there, the pistol
hilted Lightsaber twenty two here, But then they have what
do you call it, the Inquisitors on there.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
I don't know where.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, the Inquisitors, Yeah, way down way down, No, no.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
No, sorry, it's going from like, yeah, thirtieth to first.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Okay, so what's number one? Let's get Massage ventures please.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, Grand Inquisitor nine, not know like Theano's curved.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Hilt seven, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Luke, Skywalker's Green five, the Unique Mandalorian Dark Saber four, four,
Darth Maul's double.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
Three col Castus damage. I don't know what this means, Custus.

Speaker 10 (25:28):
Wait is that?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
If that were summed even Vanessa and John, then it's
a deep dive.

Speaker 10 (25:35):
Wait is that clone warsaw.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Padawan Turn Jedi Knight during the Rain of the Empire,
Explore through Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order j C. You know.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
That's from the game.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
That's historic.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Skywalker, SA, you have to that's fine.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Delight that the Dark Sabers top five.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
I agree, I agree, it's cool. I think that.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yours should be I mean, as you should be higher
than twenty two.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Come on, and for sure with Tricy said that's eight,
it's fair. What did they call yours Pistol Sabers.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
It's still hilted lightsaber.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
It's still hilted lightsaber. Sounds pretty badass.

Speaker 7 (26:23):
I like Lucile.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
It's easier shorter. I also sorry to uh change the
subject a little bit. I feel like I don't know
if I have properly given Jason Isaacs his flowers on
this podcast yet for being like have I have we
discussed like how deliciously evil and diabolical he is, Like,

(26:50):
he's just a great great It is really great because.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
It really rises to the forefront in this episode, especially
because you can get him in small doses.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
We talked about is his putting game? I know that.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Oh yes, sure, I don't mean Jason Isaac's being diabolical.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Visitor.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Sorry I should I should be specific. I just mean
he's so like, you know, you've seen him in one
million things and he's fantastic and everything, but man, he's
just so deliciously diabolical.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I have an image in my head that, like your
first impression of anyone, it's hard to what do they say?
It takes so many hours to rewrite the first fifteen
seconds to me someone and it's.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
Like, do you remember this?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
When he first came in, he was like, oh, what
a joy it is to be in the booth and
we were like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Why and he
was like, well, because I'm only record under. Do you
remember this? He said, under? Because I don't know how
to record anything. So anytimes someone said this how they recorded,
I was always like, Okay, what are they doing. He
said that he would sit under his dining table in
the UK. Well, his kids are running around, and he

(27:53):
would put a duvet over the table like a little cave.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
And he's like, I would just sit there with my
pad and read.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
So he goes, this is so fun, and I was like,
I remember just going like this big like scary man
being like under kids while he recorded under his dying tale.
And I thought it was so sweet and it always
sort of like tickles me because I think of it
every time.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
I think of it.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I love that you shared that. I don't recall that,
but I'm glad that you. I'm glad you do because
that is very The visual of that is very.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Sweety remote remote recording. I guess the pandemic made that normal.
But before the pandemic, I had to or I got
to host special Olympics and I was at Emerald City
Comic Con with James Arnold Taylor and I said, how
am I going to make a recording studio.

Speaker 10 (28:41):
He came in, he turned my couch on its side.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
And took the duvet cover, and I did all sorts
of remodeling, and then I think he put a mattress
on the other side. And I just remember the person
who came in to clean the room, like open the
door and went not right, and she left.

Speaker 10 (29:02):
But I just sort of left it in that construction.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
But yeah, that's not quite as an adorable story.

Speaker 10 (29:09):
But it's just we do what we got to.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Do, got to you gotta do this, and it is
lovely to be in a studio where you don't need
to do any of that.

Speaker 8 (29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, we had a very comfy in that studio because
we often recorded in the same studio at the.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Same studio, La Center, La Studios.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
But we had this like back area to John that
was like very like an l so super spread out,
and every now and then we were recording one of
the other boots and it just wasn't the same.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
Did you guys feel that?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Every time they were like, oh today you're in studio four,
and I'd be like, what.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But what about Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
What about?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I feel like we I mean, it felt like it
was after a while. Yeah, like it felt like it
was ours and anytime. There was just a couple of
times that we recorded elsewhere and it was like felt
a little discombobulating because we I mean, it was so
regular for us. We were recording once a week, right
or yeah, yeah, so, and it was just like a

(30:04):
lovely experience. You would show up, Lindsay, our producer would
greet us, there's snacks in the kitchen, just a cozy
sweet you know, like seeing your friends, you know, after
the week you had or whatever. It was just at
it was a really nice what a nice time we had.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Also, I want to give you a character a shout
out in this episode when you know we're talking about
Ezra's lightsaber and what everyone gave. I just I love
seeing Sabine just rattle off technology and this and that,
Like she's just so I mean, obviously there's the artistic side,
but there's the munition side. Like I just I'm like, yes,
I love that.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
So cool.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I just learned. Yeah, I love it too. I when
I did prottle off those whatever ba bat and I'm like,
I don't know what any of it is, but she's
so smart and so cool and she's so young, Like
I would forget how young she was when we started,
because she's capable and so you know, experienced and unflappable

(31:06):
and she just knows her stuff. And yeah, when when
when we get to those moments where she's like up up,
up up, and it's all you know, just like she
can do that stuff in her sleep, I'm like, oh,
she's so cool.

Speaker 10 (31:18):
She really is.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
But it's funny though, because she's so I guess, so
much more capable than Ezra in the sense that like
they are only a few years apart, right, but like
never does anyone go she's a kid.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Although I really loved I didn't remember.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Like a few episodes before this when she's like give
me more responsibility, like I do everything I'm told, like
keep me.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
In the loop of everything.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
That was the first time I ever realized, like, oh, yeah,
she is younger than them. But it's just funny when Ezra,
like you see in this episode, his fears manifest and
it's always about being this kid and being like left
out of that. But with so being she's so capable,
and I feel like the opposite of Ra in that sense.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I think it's also kind of like like life
experience right like you, you, as Ezra had have had
to I mean, you've had like a well, I think
they've all had a rough go.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Of it find out by the end of the series.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
But you know, you have your insecurities stem from a
very obvious place. And and and we don't know yet
fully what Sabines insecurities are and certainly not where they
stem from really until you know further, you know, into
the series.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But I think when it becomes a parent, you go, oh.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, I see why she has, Like she doesn't let
her insecurity show very much if she can help it,
but she when when they do, you you and once
you learn why, you go, oh, that's why she is
so like like those few episodes back where she's like,
I just you know, don't treat me like I'm a kid.

(33:00):
I can do this, like, give me some more responsibility,
give me the information I want to know, and Harrah's like,
you need to pump the brakes and take it easy.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
But yeah, I think it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Just makes sense as knowing where Ezra comes from and
what he's dealt with in his life, in his young life,
and similarly, like Sabine's experience was very different and that's
why her insecurities lie elsewhere, I think.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
So it's all, it's all really fascinating.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
One thing that I want A thought that popped up.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
We're not unaware.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
When you go to conventions, you talk to a bunch
of fans of the shows, and one of the common
things you hear is people are like, first season, like,
I wasn't really sure, and then it got going, and
I like, I've started to just parrot that's People like,
when how's the show?

Speaker 7 (33:47):
And I'm like, first season little and then it gets.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Gone, I don't know, And then watching this, I'm like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (33:54):
This is sick.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I agree.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
I was like, this is.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
So good so fast, Like I was she expecting it
to take a while one because of like the consensus
on it, but too just like I know where it goes,
so I'm like, oh, it's going to take a bit,
but I'm I'm all lan.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I also, yeah, at the beginning of the episode, when
you're trying to find the temple and he says, we
have to be careful, careful because the Imperials probably know
where all these temples are, and they you know, they
could be soon to arrive. That really put me in
the timeline of Order sixty six and where this all.

(34:32):
I mean, it just it made the stake so much higher.
And I think that's why I was so riveted by
what happened in the Temple. I was, please, please, you
got to come through, man, like I knew you were
going to. But I loved that I was so invested
and freaked out, and that I hadn't seen this. That's
another I thought I had seen all of them, but uh, yeah,

(34:52):
it's just I'm almost glad that I hadn't seen this
one because I could really just plug into all that.
But I thought very much it ignited in that moment
that all eyes are on you, and I mean, if
that takes a minute to get going, no, dude, we're
on fire. The time is now, Like that was a

(35:14):
big deal.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah, and that's very indicative of Star Wars. Even when
you watch a new Hope the opening scene, you already
feel like this is part of a much grander story,
which of course is by design by George. Like George
loves those action serials that are always part of a
bigger story, cliffhanger endings, and you're getting the sense of
that with this episode. But also It's like the ven
diagram kind of became a circle here between the legacy

(35:40):
stuff from George and then this new world that Dave
was building and with all of you, because Yoda kind
of bridge in that gap, and then the use of
a lot of the original Williams score. I mean, the
Kinder always kills it every single week, but you heard
a lot of the classic music here, like even Yoda's
theme and then Luke Skywalker's theme is it gets to
the temple. But then at the same time, like as

(36:02):
Ezra realizes his why, the music shifts a little bit,
and it's so subtle, but once you once you hear it,
you can't unhear it. Yeah, and then hearing you Taylor
and Tia talk about your characters that way, it's really
cool to hear it from the two of you. Because
I always viewed Ezra and Sabine is like the two

(36:22):
prodigies on the ship, kind of like if Doogie Howser had,
you know, people that he had to compete with in school,
it probably would have been the two of them. But
the emotional maturity of Sabine's a little further on than Ezra.
I think Sabine knows her why, and she's exploring the how.
But up until this point, Ezra didn't know that. But
now he's going to lean in, and that's when that

(36:45):
gap between Ezra and Sabine starts to shrink a little
bit because they're starting to get on the same wavelength.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
But this was like the genesis of that a little
bit which I thought was really.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
She starts responding. She starts responding to him when he's okay.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
She doesn't leave you on red on on the eye
message anymore.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I liked a lot.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
There was another subtle a Ladin reference in this too,
when you're on the fan, when Ezra and Canan are
on the phantom and Ezra repeats like, oh, this is
what you want and he goes, oh, he can be taught,
And that was what the genie told to me. Yeah, yes, he.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Can be taught.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
So this space of Ladin thing is very very much alive. Yeah,
with that line of dialogue, Wow, good.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Call, good catch, good catch.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yeah, Taylor, one question for you, because this is like
the evolution of Ezra's like emotional arc to the best
of your recollection, Like, after doing this episode, did you
feel like this opened up something different in your performance
as an actor, because like this was being open up
for Ezra.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
I know, it's like a I don't making you go
back like ten years, but it's interesting to me because
once you've it's like an open world video game. Once
you uncover that uncharted territory, there's kind of no going back.
I'm just wondering if that dictated any of your choices
going forward.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's funny because, like I openly say, my memory is
not the greatest thing, but the memories that do stick
out are the ones that have like an emotional.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
Attachment, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And for me, the emotional attachment was always with the parents. Oddly,
and I don't know what that says about me, but
I do remember all of those scenes and how every
time I understood more information about them and those emotional moments,
it did feel like an unlocking, Whereas oddly this watching it,
it would make sense that this would have been Yet

(38:36):
that doesn't stand out to me weirdly in the journey,
and I would probably have to psychoanalyze that further to
figure out why. But that always felt like this was
already latent within him. Whereas like the stuff about his parents,
I feel like he just really had no idea at
all and what to do with that, and as he

(38:57):
got that information, he started to make sense to him.
So whereas this, I think, like you said, at the
very beginning, there was a fear that maybe he wasn't
good enough for But he also there's that other thing
of like maybe I am deserving him greatness and there
don't I don't know, Like it's like that feeling before
basketball game in high school, being like, well I could
score fifty five points.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
I'm like, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 9 (39:18):
Do it, but I probably could, but meat and so
I remember more exactly that sort of thought of going
in like I mean, he doesn't necessarily expect me to succeed,
but at the same time, like I'm built for this,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So it didn't it didn't necessarily affect me as much,
I guess looking back as the stuff with his family,
and therefore I think all this stuff with the ghost
and how important they are to him, I think, to me,
that always meant more in my like character arc.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
I like that it's almost like the way you phrase
it like that, and thank you for that tailor, almost
as if as we're up to this one was almost
maybe semi haunted by this gift he was bestowed, like
because he didn't have to do with it, almost like
we talked about good Will hunting before, Like Will hunting.
He never asked to be this genius and he doesn't
because he doesn't know what to do with it.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
He's like, I just.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Wanted this therapy, wasn't.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yeah, yeah, and so are we. I think Ezra is
basically Will Hunting of the Star Wars universe. Let's just
say that.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And along those lines, I as you were talking about it, Taylor,
and you're talking about you know, like going out and
thinking there is a chance I could score fifty.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
Five before, you know, like double nickel.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But I just I just and I say this with
love and admiration, so I please know that. But like
we it reminded me that when we started this thing,
you were a little baby teenager. You were like a
little Tandy Bopper Nickelodeon star, and you were cocky af
you were hawky, Like I feel like you have matured

(40:53):
quite a bit in the time that I've known you,
and you've allays like you've always been a really thoughtful,
cerebral person but I feel like so much of that
like and cocky, not in a in a there was
no like it was very sweet and like like that
sort of teenage boy like kind of energy. And I

(41:14):
think that that brought I think that element of who
you were at the time I feel I mean, I've
never talked to Dave about this, but I feel like
you and like.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
He goes, he goes, don't watch you any more stars
and just keep that spirit. He's like, you don't know
that when you're going up against Vader, you'll be like, well,
why can't I shoot Vader then? And he's like, that
is one hundred percent what we want. When he's on
the thal, he's like, no one can stop me. And
when he goes out in space, he's like, why would
it change?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Right?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right?

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
And that was with Dave, like every time we'd just
be like leaning harder on that and I'm like, is
that like a little annoying?

Speaker 7 (41:49):
And he's like, no, lean harder.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
But just that element that was in you in a
very sweet and kind of like adorable way of this
like kind of kind of cocky personality, I think like
added so much to who Ezra was, and that gives
Ezra also like a place, like a starting point that
then he sort of grows and matures and progresses, and

(42:14):
we should get to see that journey through four seasons
of the show.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
And the one thing I'll add to on that is
I think Freddy was hit to it because Freddie had
a tra director that he was very familiar with then knew,
and he I remember certain things you would say to
me where you'd.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
Be like trying to turn the dial on me a
little bit, like.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
A little less or like a little more, and I
remember being like, oh, this is kind of fun, you
know what I mean? And so I would sometimes push back,
sort of manufactured to see what sort of reactions.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
That could get with it.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
But yeah, I know exactly what you mean, and so
does Dave, because that was like the main thing Dave
said to me.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Interesting, Yeah, love that.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Well, one of these things we're going to have to
get your former coach, star Kevin Durant on here and
talk about you scoring fifty five points, because uh, I love.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
The only thing he will admit is that I beat
him in a half court. You can call this. We
both had five half cour shots and I hit two.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Oh here it is, So do you hear that? Katie?
Until we I think.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
It's on DVD extras or something like that. Oh well, listen,
there's video video footage. I'm not just like making this out.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
If I'm going to claim fair use if we use
this as a social clip, because I would love to
have like a like a slit screen so we can
show you so much hate.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Also a fellow Longhorn, just for anyone who's interested in that.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Yeah, well, there we go, Well everybody, I think, if
there's nothing else, it's time for our other favorite part
of the podcast, just fact check with our boy JC.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
What do we got today?

Speaker 11 (43:39):
Okay, what do we have today? You guys talked about
the kyber Crystal coming to Ezra. Where did that originate?
How did that happen? What was the idea with that?
I think the first time you ever heard kind of
about crystal anything was in Return of the Jedi. Luke
used like a little space heater in Obi Wan's hut

(44:00):
to make his own kyber crystal. But the first time
that it is ever like sought after and discovered by
a Jedi was on the planet Ilum, which was from
the Clone Wars. The Gathering, which was season five, episode six,
although Ilum first appeared in a novel called Jedi Quest
Path the Truth in two thousand and one, so that

(44:23):
was significantly before the Clone Wars came out, and then
again in two thousand and four Star Wars the Clone
Wars micro series chapters fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, featuring the planet
Ilum with Padme. She's wearing that like classic snow bunny costume,
but we don't. It has nothing to do with Jedi
or Kyber Crystal. And then the first time we ever

(44:45):
hear about Kyber Crystal is actually an Allen Dene Foster's
Splinter of the Mind's Eye novel that came out in
nineteen seventy nine, but that had nothing to do with
Lightsabers or the Death Star. It was all about a
crystal that like enhanced the Force. It made it like
more powerful. It was like steroids for the Force. So
there's a little bit about Kyber Crystal. Something I noticed

(45:08):
in this episode when Ezra and Canaan are fighting the Inquisitor,
they go into slow motion.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
There's there's slow motion in the in the show.

Speaker 11 (45:20):
And I had had an interesting talk once upon a
time with somebody who worked at LucasArts who was trying
to get slow motion into the video games of Star Wars,
and the people in charge said Star Wars doesn't use
slow motion, and he said it does in Empire Strikes
Back when Luke goes down into the Dark Side Cave

(45:40):
to face off against Darth Vader, who actually ends up
being his own work, you know, his self.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Speaker 11 (45:49):
For yeah, almost a fifty year old movie. Spoiler alert
stats that they go into slow motion there. So slow
motion is in the visual language of Star Wars when
a character is going through an emotional journey, particularly Jedi,

(46:09):
having to deal with emotions and fear and the dark Side.
So it was pretty cool to see that visual language
repeated here in this episode of Rebels. Taylor, you mentioned
Joseph Campbell. Just a little background on Joseph Campbell for
people who are like, what are you guys talking about.
He wrote a book called Hero with a Thousand Faces,

(46:29):
where he's that his book is kind of the origin
of the hero's journey. You hear so much in Hollywood
the books I must read for basically everybody. But if
it's a little bit thick or dry, which it can be.
There's a great PBS series which was actually taped at
Skywalker Ranch with Bill Moyers called Joseph Campbell and The

(46:50):
Power of Myth, which is a six hour series chopped
up into one hour parts, and ye, it was all
taped at Skywalker Ranch, and then at the back end
of it, as like bonus features, Bill Moyers talks about
Star Wars with George Lucas and connects George what George

(47:15):
is talking about to all the stuff that Joseph Campbell
talks about years and years before about the history of myth.
I think if you into that, you want to go further.
There used to be a traveling exhibit called Star Wars
the Magica Myth that started in nineteen ninety seven at
the Smithsonian Museum and then hit like I think eight
other museums, traveling across the country. It wrapped up in

(47:36):
two thousand and three. There's a great companion book that
you can probably find on eBay about that. It had
Star Wars costumes like see three pos costume and all
these different costumes and then the little background on how
those like Darth Vader's helmet connected to Japanese samurai helmets.

(47:56):
And things like that really really cool. There's also a
two thousand book called Star Wars and the Power of
Myth that just if you're like, I don't want to
think at all, it's just like Obi Wan Kenobi is Merlin,
Luke Scott Walker is his character.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
Like, it's just like flat out tells you, so, wait,
what'd you say?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
That was?

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Also, we talked about Ezra's lightsaber. The while never confirmed,
the popular thought amongst everybody is that Ezra incorporated his
slingshot into the lightsaber.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Hill That's what it looks like.

Speaker 11 (48:30):
Yeah, so that's kind of like where did Ezra's slingshot go?
It's part of his lightsaber. And that's kind of While
never I don't think confirmed as canon, that's kind of
what everybody assumed.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
If you say it's cannon at this point in mind,
you guys.

Speaker 11 (48:45):
Talked about the best lightsabers tailor you looked up rancor
whatever's best lightsabers. I'm gonna say that from a certain
point of view, at a certain time in the episode
one movie, when those doors open and Darth Maul hits
both sides of it is that moment was like a

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watershed moment for Star Wars fans, but I will say
he's not the first person to have a double bladed lightsaber.
It first appeared in the comic books and the Jedi
Search novels with the character x R. Kohn, who was
a Sith lord from the planet Or who died on
the planet Yavin Four and all this stuff. His double

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bladed lightsaber was small though. It was like, it wasn't
long like a stuff like Darth Mauls. It was just
like kind of a one handed thing, which once upon
a time I was talking to Ray Park and he
had said that initially Darth Maul's lightsaber was supposed to
be a regular like twelve inch or whatever it is,

(49:51):
eight inch lightsaber handle, and he requested the prop makers
make it long so that he could spin it around
his back and around his hand because the center of
is more in the center.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
Wow, you guys figured it out.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
Calcastus is from the book the video game Jedi Fallen Order.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Yeah, I think didn't we play that in Nashville or
I played it with Carly King? Yeah, sorry, I didn't
remember going.

Speaker 11 (50:16):
And then my last thing is Taylor, you talked about
parroting the fan hot takes from conventions which is Rebels
takes a minute to get going, but when it gets going,
it really gets going. And you were like, that's not
this feels like Star Wars out the Gate, John, you
talked about Star Wars from the opening shot with the
blockade runner. I just wanted to say, for anybody who
doesn't know, George Lucas's famous direction that Carrie Fisher, Mark

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Hamill and Harrison Ford always used to tease him about
was they would do everything and no matter what they did,
George Lucas's direction was faster, more intense, and I think
Star Wars Rebels captures faster, more intense out the game.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
I love that. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
That's great. You guys really both out did yourselves on
this one.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
Jac and I have been colluding each week. How can
we make it better? How can we make it better?
Because you know, like we want to make sure we
don't let anybody down.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
So well, you've out done yourselves. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
That was great, Love it, Love it well everybody. Thank
you again for listening and joining us each week for
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us Potter Rebellion Podcast at gmail dot com. If you
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favorite lightsaber? And why is the dark saber we would

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love to get. Hopefully times new Roman twelve point five
Double Space Essays will be on the way with that.
And uh, jac it's it's fitting you mentioned the Jedi
Search novels because on the cover that is Linde cover is.
And in next week's episode we're discussing an episode who
may or may not the man with the many capes?
So but until then, Taylor, you want to send us out?

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Who wants to send us out?

Speaker 7 (51:57):
The music?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
There we go.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
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