September 9, 2025 • 55 mins
A sandstorm, fighting off AT-AT Walkers, Hera's banter with Chopper, the Fifth Brother, the reunion we were all hoping for and waiting for! Also why are some things better suited for animation and some for live action? This and so much more are discussed in today's episode. Hang on!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't remember having such a repertoire with Chopper, like, well,
that's not going to be any slower than you normally do.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Or maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue, those
lines you just delivered to the void, you know, and
there was no actual dialogue. Hi, everybody, Taserkr here, voice
(00:31):
of Sabine Wren, Specter five, and you are listening to
Potter Rebellion.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Thanks for joining us. And I'm not alone with us.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We have everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And we also.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Have what's up guys, Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger's Specter six.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
And with us is everybody.
Speaker 7 (00:53):
It's John Ley Brodney, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the
Potter Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,
episode four of the Old Republic and the words of
Harris and Doula. Hang on because here we go. Nice,
how's everybody doing? This is a fun episode. Let me
just say that, fun, action packed, very all right, I'm
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talking everybody.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
That's everybody see you guys this week? All right.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
So there's a lot that happens in this episode. So
I think we should just jump right in and we'll
get into my recap. I'm sure there's a lot of
things we can talk about. There's a lot of action,
but a lot of like character building, which is a
lot of fun, which we'll get into. But before we
get to that, as always, we do the little recap.
So Star Wars Rebel Season two, Episode four, Relics of
the Old Republic original air date October twenty first, twenty fifteen. Now,
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before I do the recap, does anyone know the significance
of October twenty first, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
I was probably picking out my Halloween costume that year.
Besides that, am I doing sexy Cain or sexy Lawyer?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can you give us a hen sexy?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Oh you o cat? It involves a flying DeLorean. It's
a very pop culture future.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's a future future date.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
So back to the future too. When Doc Marty and
Jennifer go to twenty fifteen, the day they go is
October twenty first, twenty to fifteen, which means.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
And they were going to watch Rebels.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
That's where they were going, except that they caught up
in like Hildale and all this stuff, and Jennifer sell
her her self. Were it not for that, Marty, Doc
and Jennifer could have watched this incredible episode of Star
Wars Rebels. When jac can fact check all this at
the end, he's probably got more of what was going
on in Hill Valley other than Jennifer, Marty, and Doc
not watching Star Wars Rebels but their loss. But anyways,
(02:42):
here comes to the recap for season two, episode four.
It's a race against time. The Empire's inbound, the Phantom
still needs repairs, and on top of it all, like
the the Root song from the year two thousand, a
sandstorm is coming. It's a two minute drill that would
make even Josh Allen a little nervous. Despite successfully shooting
down a tie Fighter, the danger is still very imminent
when Agent Callus ops for a ground assault against the
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group with a trio of ad At Walkers. With the
walls closing and really fast, the only moves to go
right into the storm. Though they won't be able to
see in that storm, neither will the Imperial Walkers. However,
Canaan is able to position themselves for the best chance
of survival with his Jedi powers, flipping the script into
a two thousand George Clooney Special, which would be the
perfect storm. It's not like the Azra, who, like eminem
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in two thousand and two, has one shot that either
sees the opportunity or let it slip. Lucky for everyone,
it's the former, and as Our fires away with such
precision it makes the do Perfect YouTube channel look like
child's play. This gives the Ghost cur a window to escape,
but Ezra doesn't want to leave Rex, Wolf and Gregor
a behind, but Rex asserts Azra that this is how
it's supposed to be. They escape while him, Gregor, and
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Wolf go out in a blaze of glory like bon Jovi.
Only that's not how it goes down. The fandom swings
back around Canaan Azra zeb hijacking add At and turn
its cannons on Callus, which solidifies Azara's earlier sentiment that
they all make a great team when they work to Meanwhile,
back at the Empire, there's an encounter with an inquisitor
brother of the fifth kind, who is determined to finish
the job of tracking down the Rebels. The episode ends
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with the union we all had hope for and been
waiting for, the Clone Captain and the Jedi Commander back
together at last, Still more battles ahead to be fought well,
with the comfort of knowing that they'll have each other.
And that's the recap for Season two, Episode four, Relics
of the Old Republic.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Dude Perfect.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
There's a lot in this one were like dude perfect,
dude perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I don't know what that reference was. Oh, this is
a time that I'm not known.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
You've seen you've seen these clips on social media, like
when it's a group of guys, but it started. They'll
do like they'll throw a frisbee one hundred yards in
it'll land in a trash can. They're like, dude perfect,
and it was like all of the like perfectly fine tune.
Or they'll like throw a playing card and it'll land
in a fan blade. Like it's that thing of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Like precision tricks that yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Be worried. Like once you watch one, it's one of
those things where you can't stop watching them too, like
you just keep going, oh my god, what else are
gonna do? What else they're gonna do?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Show you that? Is it all real?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Or is it like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're like
athletes that didn't make pros that they are all like
buddies here. I mean stuff that we my brother and
I would do grown up all the time. We would
try a million times until we finally like through the tennis.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Fall through the gutter hole and once you go perfect,
Yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
There's a whole thirty for thirty special on them too, like.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
That that's really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're huge.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
If thirty for thirty for me is like, okay, that's you.
You're legit. You're legitimized by thirty for thirty. Okay, cool,
I'll check.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
It out right on, right on. So thoughts on this episode, everybody,
how's everybody feeling?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I go ahead, no, no, no, please? Well the animation,
if we can just like start from the macro into
the micro that sandstorm.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
I I was just.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Blown away by that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I mean, I know it's zero visibility in this and that,
but that that was such an ingenious way to just
like double down on the vast sea of the sort
of Jaws homage, you know, where the desert is almost
like the sea. For them to then have this sandstorm
was the way they executed it. I thought was just
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mind boggling. I was blown away by that totally.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, how you animate that? Like I watched it, but
it must have been painstaking.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I would imagine you go to the Instagram filter called
and you call it a haboo.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, hats off to them, like those Saharan sandstorms.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Or even in Arizona palm springs gets them. Oh, I
think it's haboo, right.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Something like Jacon's gonna have to fact check. Yeah, it's
his area of expertise. The whole sequence, I agree, even
as I was like, whoa, this animation is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But also just the that whole sequence.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In the sandstorm, no one can see. We're using force sensitivity.
It's like super high stakes, like your blood pressure is high.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It was such a like thrilling sequence.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I feel like we haven't seen in Rebels anyway
that kind like that before, you know where it's like
this conceit of like no one can see anything and
you're just gonna have to trust your senses. And you know,
it's a teaching moment for Ezra. You know, Canan says
to trust and to tell Ezra to trust himself, and
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he does and he nails it. And I don't know,
I thought it was just like peak badassness.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And when Rex as you know, just like the good
old days, when he when he you know, trusts Canaan's
ability to see the Jedi ability to see things. That
was to continue with the episode previously that you know,
we got into sort of Canaan's post traumatic stress around
losing his master in Order sixty six, and to see
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them work together was yet another really satisfying moment that
demonstrates that we can communicate and heal from things like
that felt momentous to me personally, a return to balance,
and I appreciated that when sorry, I'm not sorry, I
(08:34):
agree when Rex says I always trust my general And
then it pans to Canaan's reaction of that and.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Trying to digest how he feels about that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That was really moving. I really yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, it goes back to this war thing to me
as well, Like I get this real sense of like
vets and what they know, and I think that's always cool.
Like that's something I enjoyed about. And or the early
was the movie is called end Or.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Two, Rogue one, Rogue one, Rogue one, sorry, Rogue one,
Like it was like it felt like a war film
at times almost like Dunkirk in a.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Way, And I love that and it's fun when you
get it in this show in this way.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, agreed, hard agree.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Yes, Yeah, it's a great example of because it's really
you know, we see like you know, you know on
the Star Destroyers and stuff like that, but it's really
like this single location story that we got, but they
made it feel so much bigger. Back to your point,
Vanessa and to you about the sandstorm, like to add
that steak of okay, the visibility is going to be zero,
and then just it made this it's the same location,
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but just these added external elements that raise the stakes
and raise the chances of like failure because like you
could literally get one shot to get this right. It's
just it's such a great example. I feel like screenwriters
and any storyteller should study this episode of how you
can take one location and then really expand the characters
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and it's just gonna feel much bigger than one location.
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Steve voicing imperials will never not be funny to me,
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And having a conversation with d who's in the a
storyline like the two of them back and forth.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It kills me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Every there's like a little tree. Yeah we should, yes,
we should.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Uh, there's there's a hang on drinking game. There's how
many stormtroopers is Steve? And then how many billions of
characters is D?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I feel like that that would be a fun drinking games,
like anytime you can identify Steve's voice, whether he's.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
An imperial or some other like creature thing. Same for D.
I get well, if you if you do both D
and Steve, you're you're not going to make it through
it up.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So yeah, don't operate heavy machinery.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, oh, you guys. That scene or that shot rather
of Canaan Ezra and zeb like jumping out of that
was so sick.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I was curious, actually, I was like, that should be
a print, that should be a poster.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And then it occurred to me to ask you, Taylor,
have you ever signed that?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh, is anyone listening?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do y'all have that as a print? Like that is
so sick. I feel like I want that on my wall.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
That was that was epic. I love that moment so much.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
All right, for any of you artists out there or
people who create Star Wars rebels art, just just a
gentle suggestion and idea, that's a really really cool shot.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think, sorry, go ahead to.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was just gonna say, there's something to this. I know,
you know, uh Luke gets the death Star. You know
he has like one shot and this and that. There's
something about having so much hope and trusting your your
the force, your instincts, this or that, and it reminded me.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I was in.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
An acting class one time and the teacher and stought
me if I've told the story before, but it was
amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
The whole class was in a.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Circle and it was an improv class, and my teacher
was trying to teach us that we all know exactly
you need to He said, you need to act on
a dime.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Don't inhal act, just act.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And he put a shoe somewhere in the circle and
he said, I want you to walk to it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And we blindfolded and we were like, hell the hell
are we going to know where the shoe is? I
And here's what's so weird.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Every single person who focused knew where the shoe was
and walked over to it and picked it up. And
I had forgotten that lesson. I know, I don't understand
what that is, but it reminds me like when when
Canaan says, sometimes you can see things without using your eyes.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think that's a really valuable lesson up.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
There with you can heal things with, you know, just untenable,
unfixable situations, post war whatever, that we can heal and
communicate and tolerate each other and learn to empathize and
whatever else. But that there is something very powerful about
being given permission to close your eyes and do something
and be an expert at it now, just owning your
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power in that moment. And I had forgotten about that
was oh my gosh, a million years ago.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
But I thought, like, this isn't just for Jedi.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think civilians may also utilize these tools.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It inspired me.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
So you're dead on and it's beautiful, And that is
in line with The Little Prince, that's one of my
favorite books. That what the heart can see, the thing
that you love most, you aren't gonna be able to see
it necessarily with your eyes. There is this whatever sense
we want to call it, but we do have it.
And I think that's that thing that I don't know
sadly as a kid. I think we all kind of
have until we lose the loose touch with that and
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then you're just trying to get that back all the time.
And it's so beautiful, like that's if we could always
maintain that. That's this like wonderment that is real too,
that's like the magic.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Of the world.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, and that's our show. I don't think I can
any that was it.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
This is the one time Jac's like, I have no response.
That was perfect. There's no notes on this one. No,
that's so valid, and I love that you brought that
up because it's really like the whole thing is what
you see can actually is the thing that's making you blind,
you know. And it was such a nice callback to
Obi Wan's lesson to Luke and a new hope, like
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your eyes can deceive you, but without them using those words.
And they're so smart about those callbacks but not making
it a callback other than Sparkle rebelling where he quotes
obi Wan. But you know, Freddy did it in his
own way. But it's such a valuable lesson and you're
ripeing us that it goes beyond Jedi training. I think
that's a great human lesson.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, you wouldn't think so, but it is.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I didn't believe that anyone would know where the shoe was,
but I was just I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I found it, and I can't even believe I did.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
But that's the thing that's fun I'm sorry, that's so
funny on that that idea, because that idea governs so
much of life to me, it's really hard to articulate that.
Like when you're talking, I remember when I was a kid,
like trying to tell my parents, like I know this
is it, but I can't necessarily explain why. But I
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promise you I feel it and then and then it
might happen. And I'm like, I intuitively know that's happening,
but I cannot necessarily articulate it the correct way because
it is transcendent of words, and Chemus says that, like,
it's such a shame that humans the best we were
given to communicate was language, because it will never meet
what it is all of a sudden, a podcast where
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like decoding what someone says, then processing it and then
encoding it back.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
But we're losing a little bit. If only we could.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Just like touch, and that's what we're transmitting everything we
mean and will never be able to do that, and
I think that's why you're closer to some people and
others you're like, oh, it's closer communication, but you just
never fully get whatever that sense that you're talking about.
I think that's everything, and I don't know how to
talk about it. And I think that's also beautiful and fine.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Have you ever had where your phone's about to ring
and you're like, my mom's gonna call and then your
phone rings in it's your mom?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You ever?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Am I the only person?
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Probably probably.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
This is where we're signing, Vanessa, you have the gift.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, Or it's like my phone my watch goes like
someone's calling, and I'm like, I think that and then
I know and I look at my phone and that
is who it is. It's I don't know. To me,
that feels like finding a shoe. I don't know that
that's a talent, but it might be something that it's incution.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, like being being able to access or allow yourself
to use your intuition, which I think, I think to Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Point, like we unlearned that as we get older, and you're.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Sort of forced or encouraged to become more practical and logical.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So then you sort of.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Tamp down your your your your gut, like like trusting
your gut or listening to your gut, or even allowing
yourself to have a gut feeling, whether you trust it
or not, even to have to to let yourself have
that versus applying logic and reason and okay, well does
this make sense and like second guessing yourself?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
If we would allow ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
To be intuitive and trust that intuition, yeah, I think
we sort of unlearn it, like society makes us unlearned
because that's not practical necessarily right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But in this case, as you got the job done,
and I love that you got a helmet.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I'm glad that Rex gave you a helmet. I thought
that was cool.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, then you took it off. He was like, like, dude,
you was you were as it was so like delighted parents.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
How to receive a gift when I was young, Like
we go over to our cousins stuff. She's like, and
if they can you do anything for Christmas that you
already have? You say, thank you so much it Jenny,
and we'll talk about it on the way out because
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Yeah, four of these.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh thanks, I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, it was very I thought that like childlike wonderment
on Ezra's face was very sweet. It was like, you know,
Christmas morning and then and then two seconds later he's like, man.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Get this thing off me.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I want more FaceTime. Let me give me one of those.
I love that. Okay, I love you. Brought up that
moment because it's a little moment two seconds of the
show where Ezra kind of almost loses his balances and
he's like, I got you. It's just a simple thing.
But it's like you just see the sibling bond, this
this familial bonds really growing and it's just simple, like
you know, I got you, don't worry about it. And
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he's and Ezra's like, doesn't has to say thing. He's like, okay, cool,
like he just knows that, Yeah, she's got me. I
can trust this. It's like that trustfall you were doing
team building activities and she just totally at his back.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'd love that or yes, and to what like to
tie that back into what Taylor was saying just a
minute ago about how Taylor you were saying, how like
that's why you can be well, I hope I'm not
misquoting you, but like you can be closer to some
people because you're able to communicate not Jess verbally, and
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like that allows you to like have as stronger bond.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And I was just thinking, as John, as you were
saying that that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Like they're established or that has been established and it
just grows because you know, I think you probably get
pretty close to people when you're like gonna die at
any moment.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Trust the people you're with to like get through this
situation at hand and then the next one and the
next one.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So I love.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Seeing I was just thinking kind of the similarities about
what you were just saying that, like, yeah, they have
that where they don't need to talk about it. She
knows and he's she's got him and he's got her,
and same for all of these, you know, members of
the Ghost Crew.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But I thought that was sweet moment. It's just a
cool moment.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Just a cool like, oh, they don't need to discuss
they're on the level.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
It's like a sports team when when the chemistry really
locks in, like when I played ball, like or shout
out to Stevie Lafalis, who is r QP one in
high school sometimes sometimes I just kind of give one
of these and he gives a point back, we know,
like okay, like because I see something in the defense
and I give one of these, like okay, I know
to like throw it high and outside. It's like they're
getting those sort of nonverbal cues or just like a
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two word verbal cue just to let you know I
got your back without having to say all those words,
and like it's just it's so organically growing to that
point though. It's like it's so like I said, two
seconds of the show, but it's so powerful when you
watch it, like I got you and he's like, oh,
Like you can just see the comfort on his face.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know. There was another moment like that when Kanan says,
I hate it when he's right. Okay, guys, Yeah, it
was kind of behind yeah, which I love that he
that they turned around and again that shot of them
jumping down was amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But that was such a that was so key.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I hate it when he's right, and he just underplayed
it and then went into you know, as much as.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I don't like them, I don't want them to die.
But I just thought that was brilliant.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
That reminded me of this Western movie, one of my
favorite movies called Shane. I don't know if you're familiar
with it, because remember in the end, it's like, Shane
come back. But as you know Shane, Okay, this movie
came out a long time while.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Shane and Shane comes back.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
But in this case, Shane does come back because Shane
leaves in the movie because he doesn't want the boy
to see him on his last mission or whatever. In
this case, he flips it on a ten, like, no,
We're going to come back and save these guys. Because again,
Star Wars is rooted in Western and Samurai movies. So
I just immediately thought of the movie Shane, probably because
I always think of the movie Shane, but I particularly
thought of it when they came back, and I thought
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that was really cool and and and a very big
growth moment for Canaan, even though he's kind of in
denial of the growth and it's probably scary to him
that he would lean into it. But yeah, I love
that line too, because it's very much a Freddy line.
Yeah in any ways too.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also like this from the last episode into this episode,
where we keep seeing Canaan's sort of internal struggle not
just with like is he going to get on board
with these clones, but also them sort of recognizing him
as a general or like a military commander and him
(22:37):
rejecting that and not feeling worthy, which we've you know,
in season one, we kind of got got some of that,
like got got to know that part, that side of
Canaan and just that like through this battle sequence and
through this he sort of I feel like when he
says I always trust my general, the.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Reaction and this is like animation, guys.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And you can see the nuance of his reaction being
different than his reaction in the last episode when I
forget which clone says something about him being in command,
He's like, I know, do you remember that he says,
like rejects, rejects the suggestion that he would be in charge,
(23:21):
and he's like, I'm no, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
And then this time he kind of softens to it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I guess he's still not like on board, you can tell,
but just in that moment, that brief moment where he
receives that and he like chooses to not protest, and
I thought that was really a telling moment and also
like animated and you get all of that from just
like a brief facial expression and a brief like glance.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's really that's something I wrote down as a question
to you guys, And if we're not giving JC that
much fact checking.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Serious, I'm curious of him weighing on this as well,
because it started as very solutistically. I was trying to
figure out why I watching part of this episode, I
was like, oh, I think I prefer this story being
told in animation right now. And there are moments when
I'm watching this show and I'm like, dang, it'd be
cool to see this in live action.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Why there?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I have friends who they would prefer almost everything to
be animated, and then other friends who who have never
seen anything animated in their life. Why we why anyone
prefers animation at times or live action? Like I'm just
I was trying to figure out myself, like there's certain
things I'm like, oh, I like watching that animated and
then the rest not, but I don't. I, as a
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fairly reflective person, I couldn't figure out exactly why. And
I was curious with you guys, what when you prefer
animation and when you prefer live action.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Or why?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I to be honest with you, I always prefer live action.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
No, I don't actually think that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I I think, well, I've also not thought of this
before until you've just closed this question. But as I'm
thinking about it, it occurs to me that I think
that I just accept what it is, like, meaning if
I'm watching live action it's live action and watching animation,
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I don't I don't ever go, oh, I wish this
was live action, because I just sort of I accept
what it is and I watch it for that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Does that I don't know if I'm articulating myself well here,
but I've never I've never wished one was the other.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
I suppose sure?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Does that?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah? Like for example, finding Nemo, never want to see
that live action? Well, it's so perfectly that to me.
And then there are other things like Jungle Book. I'm like,
that's kind of I kind of want to see some
of like be in the Jungle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
But I don't know, Like I asked the question because
I have zero I'm curious with what you guys think.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm aware of production and cost sometimes.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Where I'm like.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, no, no, that would be far too impractical.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, but I'm like, those are the thoughts I have.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was like, well, thank god this is animation, because
if they try to do this live action, I mean,
my god, this yeah, you know, like, oh wow, I'm
glad they did this live action. Because they did this animation,
I can see them, you know, I mean brain hemorhages,
like how are we going to make this word?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Oh that's interesting. I don't I think, I don't. I
don't yearn to see it differently. I'm just thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I think I just think like, oh, thank god it's
this and not that, you know, or if it were that,
it would be Oh man, I wonder how they'd even
do that. And then I go back to a lot
of just mumbling. Definitely by the way, I have you
like sorry to you, go ahead.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I was just I was just going to say that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm also kind of I don't know if anyone else
listening is the same, but I'm also like precious about
things I really love. And it's also probably especially from
like things from my childhood, so like you know that
nineteen when did the Jungle Book that animated the Jungle
Book come out? Like in the sixties maybe sixties or
seventies before I was alive, but I grew up watching
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that jungle Book, so you know, when there was a
new like a live action jungle Book, I was like,
I don't know. That jungle Book is so good, it's
so perfect, and like similarly Aladdin, one of my favorite
animated things of all time, I was, I was reluctant
to accept there be you know. So I guess it's
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also just me being precious about things that I really
love and really care about and not wanting to see
that either.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
You know, I just.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Not wanting to see anyone screw up.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I guess now that thing, and John, I want to
hear your answer in Jc's I'm thinking. I'm thinking why
I like sort of things like if it is political,
or if it is if it is mirroring our world
in a way that I think it's a beautiful message.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I like it existing in a fantasy world or animation
like Lord of the Rings or Stars.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Something that's mirroring our world.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
But the message isn't too familiar is it coming through
familiar things like an actor we know or you know
what I mean, a face that feels too real exactly
like animated. Also, like some comedies like The Simpsons, the
absurdity can be there in a joke because it is there.
But then if it's marriage story, for example, I want
it to be these people that I can really connect
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with that I'm like, oh my god, I feel that
just the way they look off right now.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I feel that so much.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
So whereas I don't like, I guess in big ideas,
I do enjoy it in animation whatnot, and then some
small or more human ideas. Maybe I don't know, that's
just a thought. But John, what do you think?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Yeah, that's because you know, between the three of you
kind of I don't know if there's not one, you know,
lateral answer obviously or maybe Jac. If anyone does has
the answer, it's probably JC. But I think you all
kind of answer the question. So I've talked to many
directors in my time and animated, live action and Vanessa
to your point, when you come to live action, there's
so many restrictions, like there's so many people telling you no,
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you can't do this or you can't say this. If
you watch like a Miyazaki movie or Mamudo Hozada who
did Wolf Children, there are certain messages you can have
in those films you can't have in live action, and
you tell it through the metaphor like buoying the hair
on or Ponio or you know, or a princess Mononoke.
You do think the metaphor of these like mythological creatures.
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And I think that's to your point, Taylor, when you
have those sort of messaging, so it's not beating people
over the head with it, I feel like animation kind
of almost softens the blow but doesn't soften the impact
of the message. So I feel like you just have
more creative freedom as a storyteller. I think a lot
of times with animation, I mean, I'll I'll die in
this hill. That to me, the best Batman movie ever
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is Batman Mask of the Phantasm, all the animated series,
when Bruce Timpauldini did Batman and when the grelat great
Kevin Conwar, who I think is the best Batman Bruce
Wayne to ever do it. And Vanessa Yorke's closely with
I know you worked with Kevin over the years. The
stories they told in animated series, those are the stories
I wish they would tell in live action, you know,
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but they overcomplicated on the live action side, or even
when you did Injustice Vanessa, like that story of Injustice
Too was the best Justice League story I've ever seen.
So yeah, I think it's just there are certain things
with animation. I think this is why a lot of
people consider Star Wars er brals peak Star Wars is.
I feel like there are certain things they could do
with the storytelling there that may have been too many restrictions,
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or they gotta follow Cannon, they gotta follow this with
the live action. I feel like that's for animation really shines.
But then a movie like Past Lives from Selene's Song,
I don't know if that would work as an animated movie.
You know that that works because you have these human stories.
So it's and back to your point, T, I think
you're just a very present viewer of this is what
it is. And am I interested by these characters? Am
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I interested by the story? And if it happens to
me in this form, cool? And if I'm not interested,
then it just happens that it was an animated series.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Right, Yeah, that's the healthiest I'm like trying to change
in Oh no, I want this, I want that. That's
that's a healthy philosophy, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is what it is. By the way, that's one
of my least favorite sayings. It is what it is. Yeah,
there more than it is what it is. But in
this case, it is what it is. And I either yeah,
maybe I either like it or I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But I guess I've never It's never occurred to me
to wish it was in a different format, you know
what I mean. I do sometimes see like a live
action version of an animated thing that I care deeply about,
and what do you think about that? And I decided, no,
in fact, it should not have been made live action.
They should have just stuck with, you know, what worked
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and what was beautiful and perfect. And but you know,
Hollywood loves a remake, loves to recycle, you know, so
I doctor, that's a whole nother conversation.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
But but I.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Think it's a you know, it's just a evidence of
a curious mind, Taylor, that you are actively thinking, like, oh, this,
this would be cool if it was animated.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, it's not the best because you're looking at people.
You're like, that'd be cool if there's just nice.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
But yeah, if this was better, I would like it.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
But it is what it is, So there I go, there,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I just had one more thought on the like Canaan
not fully embracing when once we saved him or you
guys did uh, they salute him and he just nods
like that's more than the last episode.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But that's all he could do with them, salute them
as well. But also, I.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Don't know if you had this experience watching this this time.
You know we're doing a rewatch, but I don't remember
having such a repertoire with Chopper, like well, that's not
going to be any slower than you normally do, or
I loved it, it was so but what's weird is
like I'm like, oh, that's so awesome that she's like,
get on it.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I don't remember any of that.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Maybe because maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue,
maybe maybe it's easier to remember our scenes because we
were doing them opposite each other. We were interacting, acting, interacting,
whereas those lines you just delivered to the void, you know,
and there was no actual dialogue.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That's very true, because I remember interactions and I remember
feeling it awesome one and I really don't remember the
things that were just one awful lines.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was amazed, like, I thought it was really funny.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Was really yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I was delighted by the interaction. And You're kind of
just like grumble grumble, and he's like, you know, it's
when he groaned off. He was like, I guess because
I didn't know what he was doing. I was just
sort of acting into a void. That's probably you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, well, the other thing, on a different topic, I
need to get into the inquisitor, but we don't quite yet.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
But so go ahead and say anything.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And also, John, you were about to say something else,
so I don't forget.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Oh yeah, we can't forget about fifth Brother. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
But you know, Hara has a really cool arc too,
even though it's a very light hair episode. First of all,
there's two hang ons. She says, hang on, hang on.
So we wrought the three right, wrapt the three so
far in season two of the Hara hang Ons.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But it's a slow drinking game.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
This is a slow burned one. Get them like the
one hundred and fifty proof McCallan or whatever, so you
get that quicker whatever they need. Shout out to our
non sponsor McAllen Scotch. But it's all right there. It's
a light hair episode, but I feel like there's an
important lesson there too, because sometimes the hardest thing as
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a leader is not being able to do anything at all,
or you had the power down and wait and sometimes
the path at least resistance, whatever you want to call it,
is going to be the best path. And that's the
case for Hara in this episode, which I don't know
how many people have talked about it. I've listened to
like a handful of Star Wars podcast. I think it's
easier to focus on the action because the action is
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amazing in this episode, but how hard it must have
been for Hara to not be able to do anything,
you know, but and you know, and keep her sanity
because you know it could as she could have been
impulsive and just flown down there in the ghost and
then try to save the day, but she knew that No,
at this moment, I have to stay still, And just
by my time, I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, she's good at that.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
I think we can all learn from that. Sometimes we
all need to power down and wait, yes and.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Try and and like trust trust, just like she she's forced,
not forced but she's sort of put in a position
that she's forced to trust that we are all going
to do what we do, that she knows that we're
capable of.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And sometimes you just gotta like.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let go and whatever is going to happen is going
to happen, and just you know, trust your instincts and
trust your these you know, like your your comrades instincts,
and and I'm sure that's I mean, I'm saying that,
and I'm not really able to do that. I am
not nearly as chill as what I'm describing, but but
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it's it's a good reminder that is a healthy thing
to do.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
It was Hararah like Jordan. When Jordan finally trusted the
triangle offense, It's like, oh, John Packson can hit the
three pointer, I can pass on the ball, I can pass.
Not that Harah was of the mindset of I have
to do everything myself, but it was her just like
trusting that they're going to be okay. Let me make
sure this is okay here. And it's back to what
she told Cain in the last episode. We can't help
others unless we help ourselves. So if her and Shopper
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don't fix the ghosts. What good is she going to
be when they're successful down in Cels and getting out
of that messterin So I just think, again, it's a
very light episode, but all the layering of the characters
is just so prevalent there. And another thing I want
to bring up. We talked about the music last week,
like it sounded like Jaws, but when they defeat the
ad At Walkers, it sounds like et It felt like
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another John Williams callback, and I'm knowing JC he may
have a specific, like, you know, some more specificity to that,
but I got et vized, especially when the one Imperial
Troopers left behindind of like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That when he's like running and he looks that was so.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Comedic and funny, like a little just reprieve from the
you know, action packed episode.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
And Indiana Jones. I don't may I think it was
a direct now to Indiana Jones. But the part where
they're being shot at by the tie Fighter and Greg
was like, it's been a while since we've been shot
at and then he's like what happens to us every day?
There's this part in Last Crusade where you know, Seaunkar's
like they're trying to kill us Junior. He's like, oh,
I know, Dad, He's like, what should never happened to me?
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He's like, yeah, it happens to me all the time,
you know. So I felt like there was a nice
indie nod through Sabine, which I thought was really cool.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
So I like it.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Now, fifth Let should we talk about fifth brother before
we get into some fact checking with JC, because we
got to talk about fifth Brothers.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I mean, I can't help thinkquizards are the Mormon fifth Brothers,
seventh Sister, all these names. They tricked me out of it.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
They all want the b Yu, they all want to
him young.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
I love it. It's a big, big family that is killing people.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You guys.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I am so sorry that I didn't do my homework,
but I wrote down who voices this inquisitor?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And I didn't look it up myself. Who voices this inquisitor?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (39:12):
I just had it up to he has three names.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
It's on the tip of my braind Michael Murray, Lucas
Scott Is Thomas. That would be amazing, actually release the
JTT cut of the Fifth Brother.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I should probably have looked this up myself. I thought
you guys were gonna JC. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
I remember who played him in live action?
Speaker 10 (39:37):
Oh so Philip, Well, Philip Anthony Rodriguez has quite a
imposing voice, like like, what a great what a great voice?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And also do you for JC? Maybe is that his
accent or is he doing an accent? All right, I'm
just asking.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I'm just Philip real quack.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Someone get Phillip on the phone, because if it's not
his real well, either way, it's a great it's a
great accent. But I was curious if that's his actual Uh,
if that's if he was creating a.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Character with J.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
C'll know, I went end out, you know, Jac, I
think it's He was played in live action the Kenoby
series by Sun Kang from the Fast and Furious series.
You're kidding, yeah, because I remember when Sun got the
role and I was like, you're playing fifth brother and
he didn't. I don't know how much he knew about
what was that was going to entail, but yeah, they
had him in the makeup and everything. They made him
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look awesome on the show, which a very under I'd
like that series. A lot of people you know, didn't,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
But I I it is wait, are you talking Fast
and the Furious.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
Yeah, he was han and Fast and furious. But he
played fifth Brother in uh the Kenoby series.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Wait what's his name?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
They made? They made fifth Brother? H brought me to
actually brother?
Speaker 7 (41:02):
What they did?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
What? What's what's the answer saying?
Speaker 6 (41:07):
I just want to saying some king. Yeah, that's good,
fifth Korean brother? With all the names? I mean, the
Grand Inquisitor is the grand Inquizer. But then where's one
through four? We're six, six, cousin, eight daughter.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
We need like a Parks and w rec type of
show with like the inquisitors, like a workplace comedy, like
what what's day to day life for those guys around?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
We're talking about the latest job?
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Do you hear what the Grand Inquisitor do? What happened
to the Grand Inquisitor?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's funny?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, he's very you know, all of the inquisitors. I
feel like on rebels. Oh here's a question. Oh this
might be a stupid question. I'm going to ask it anyway,
because you.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Know what, we're all very surprised. Wow this okay.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Apologies to you guys who are listening. If you're like, how.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Does she not know that?
Speaker 6 (42:06):
But I thought storm inclosure.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Were there inquisitors that were called inquisitors before rebels?
Speaker 6 (42:21):
That is a great question.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
That is a great question.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Oh, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I was worried that you guys were gonna be like
duh and blah blah blah. He might be like, uh,
it's eighth book of this series of whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I feel like Tales of the Jedi went back and
did shorts about Ahsoka's childhood and on and on. I
feel like in the timeline that things had been released
in the narrative, Yes, I believe. Is it morocc There's
there's a really horrible inquisitors j C. You'll know his
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exact name, who really played by Clancy that you know,
attacks her and it's this huge fire scene.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Another amazing animated show. Or was that Tales of the Empire?
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That might have been Tales of the Empire actually anyway,
But I think in the Clone Wars, I don't remember
seeing any inquisitors in.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So we introduced inquisitors rebels?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Did? I feel like we may have unless they're in
literature that I did not read.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
And I'm glad Dave Field in my pitch on that, because.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I just want to say that inquisitors are bad ass,
Like they're so scary in there, in each in their
own scary, creepy, very you know, intimidating way. Like they're
all so rad and I'm glad if we are the
one If our show introduced inquisitors to Star Wars Star Wars,
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I would be very pleased to know that.
Speaker 7 (44:04):
So j they're very fashionable too. Yeah, they're so cool.
It's like you ever seen the movie Dress to Kill
with Nancy Ellen. It's just the Palma movie from like
the seventies. She's dressed so cool in that movie. Or
it's like when you watch like a slasher movie and
you're like, you're kind of attracted to the slasher but
that you shouldn't because they're dressed so cool. That's kind
of how the inquisitors are. Like, Yeah, it's like why
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are why are these inquisitors like so cool but evil?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Like why do you be able to unpack this?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
John?
Speaker 7 (44:32):
Actually listen to my other pock Well we get into that,
So I think I think my my, I think my
inquisitor fetish is a great segue to our favorite part
of the show, JC. What do we got for fact
check today? Help us your only hope? Okay, here we go,
(44:55):
I got a lot.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I don't have a lot of stuff, But I feel
a little bit better because initially I was like, you
guys had such a good, heady kind of conversation today,
and I was like, I had a bunch of like schlock.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
To talk about.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
I'm not going to go in order here, So I
apologize the conversation that you guys were having about animation
versus live action. I used to back in the day
get into arguments because people would be like, we need
a live action Ahsoka, or we need a live action this,
and I was like, I don't think so I feel
like by saying that you need this in live action,
it kind of devalues the art form of animation. Like
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the story is the story. If it's a great story,
we don't need a shot for shot remake Lion King
of what was great in animation. So, Tia, I'm also
kind of with you on that is like I don't
really watch I don't really like compare the mediums when
I'm watching it.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I just kind of take it in as what it is.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
But I did have I have had a lot of
conversations with David Collins about this, who did a lot
of the sound on like bad in Star Wars animation
and is now doing live action.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Like Skeleton Crew and these types of things.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
And something that he said and I tend to agree with,
is that animation allows you to take risks that you
would never be able to take in live action because
similarly to like what Vanessa said, expense, but also I
think people are more forgiving of animation. In the next episode.
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There's some slapstick kind of Looney Tunes stuff where Ezra
bumps his head in episode five that we're about to
talk about, which totally would not be funny, would not
work in live action. It seems cheesy, but in animation
it works one hundred percent, and you kind of look
forward to those moments of levity in animation that you
don't in live action. So I think, you know, animation
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benefits from a tolerance that people have for it that
allows it to be riskier than what you would ever
do in live action. And because you're allowed to be
riskier and take these risks and take bigger swings, you're
able to hit a lot more home runs. And I
think Rebel succeeds in that. I mean across well, look
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at Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
I think that validates that idea. I didn't pick up
the et music.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I apparently cracks are showing in my fact check armor,
but I'm sure that's it. Philip Anthony Rodriguez. That is
not his accent in the show. That is not his voice.
He's doing a full on character voice and everything. Inquisitors,
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Grand Inquisitors, second sister. There is no third that I
could find listed anywhere. Fourth brother, fifth brother, sixth brother,
seventh sister, eighth brother. And Vanessa Marok, which you got right,
was once known as the first brother. And I think
I think he shows up as like a pilot in
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the live action Ahsoka show.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yes, I think he's introduced there, and then they translated
him over to I believe it's Tales of the Empire.
They brought it backwards the Jedi. Actually, is it Tales
of the Jedi? When she's fighting him around a fire?
She goes to work at some farm and she's like
bailing hay and doing her thing, and then dude walks
up and like lights place on fire, and it's kind
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of like, wow, this is not going to end.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well, oh my goodness, you know, Yeah, I think it's
Tales of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Which technically would be before Rebels, but we didn't see
it until long after Rebels ended. So within the narrative, yes,
they existed, but within like the introduction of them into
the lure and our sense of awareness about them, we
didn't know that she did all that as a child
and this and that it kind of fleshed out the backstory,
(48:57):
much like they're going to flesh out the Rebels backstrow eventually.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Right right, Yeah, And on that I do not believe,
and I did in fact check myself on this. I
just used my own knowledge. But I think inquisitors were
an invention for Star Wars Rebels. I don't think that
pre lore it was like Darth Vader individually went and
hunted down all the Jedi, but rebels, I think he
(49:22):
was like he kind of had these acolytes that went
and did his bidding or helped him.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Do his bidding.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Love that.
Speaker 8 (49:31):
So in terms of the discussion you guys had, that's
all I have. I had a few of my own notes.
The ad ass we see are an early model ad
at that so that's why they look a bit little
bit different, But they are actually ad ats. Taylor, Sorry
you mentioned a haboob as a sandstorm that happens in
Coachella and Palm Springs.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Correct nailed it.
Speaker 8 (50:01):
There is historical precedent for a sandstorm. In Star Wars.
There is a whole deleted scene that takes place on
Tatuin after Jaba's palace and they blow up his sale
barge before Luke goes to Diegoba. There is a scene
that was filmed that had never been seen, that had
been talked about in the Return of the Jedi novelization,
(50:25):
and I think perhaps you've seen a photo here or
there in some of the Return of the Jedi like
kids books back in nineteen eighty three, where it's Lando
Chewbacca's injured and it's Lando and Luke and Lea helping
and the droids helping Chewbacca back to the Millennium Falcon
in the middle of a sandstorm, and the dialogue that
(50:49):
takes place there is very similar to dialogue that takes
place just after, which is you know, you know, thanks
for coming after me, Kid, I owe you one like
that Hunt Solo dialogue takes place during that sandstorm, and
Laya also in that says, hurry, the fleet should be
assembled by now, because Lukes like I got to go
back to Dagoba, So all of that is more concisely
(51:11):
done later. But there is a sandstorm scene in Return
of the Jedi. You can watch it now on the
Star Wars Blu Ray and then maybe extra on Disney
Plus if you go to Return of the Jedi. They
also made action figures of all of those characters. Hasbro
did around the time that the Blu Ray came out,
so Rebels really took that and kind of like made
(51:35):
it a more exciting scene because the scene's kind of
boring if you go back and watch it right now.
Callous mentions the pincer maneuver when they're in the ad Ads.
It's a naval tactic that was used in trap a
target starship between attacking warships. Wedge Antilles used it several
(51:57):
times against Grindmemeral Thron in the Now Legends Heir to
the Empire series, So that was another case of there's
always a little bit of truth in Legends. Dave Filoni's
quote also on it. In the ad at they say
intensify forward fire power to.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Pummel the rebels.
Speaker 8 (52:21):
That's a direct line from Return of the Jedi as well,
where the captain of the Executor, not the Executor the Executor,
and I can go into why it is actually the
Executor not the Executor, which is the Giant Superstar Destroyer
says that just before the A Wing flies through the
bridge and return to the Jedi, which crashes the ship
(52:42):
into the Death Star.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
Executor was.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
There's a toy of it that was coming out in
the early eighties and they had done like mockups of
the packaging for the Executor Superstar Destroyer, and they're like,
oh my god, we can't put out a children's to
way that says Executor on it. So they changed the
name of the toy to Darth Vader's starship. Yes, now
(53:08):
I'm gonna get ad add on the internet about how
a toy is not why the name of a thing
is the name of a thing. But when the toy
company here, the people who are making up the names,
it very much.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
Is come mad at us.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Come on, sounds very sound.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
That's all I got. It's as shorty today. Love it. Well.
Speaker 7 (53:32):
One thing I want to point out, you said you
did in fact check yourself and you just went into
your brain. Isn't that what you always do anyway? So
I just want to point that out. You are so
what you do, so therefore everything you said is all canon.
But go ahead and add Like Michael Keaton, he's like,
come on at us. Thank you as always. We love
the fact check. Maybe you'll re listen and hear the
(53:55):
EAT because like I thought of ET because my default
is ET, but I don't know. Maybe it's a bonus episode.
And I'd love to get David Collins on here. I
think he'd be a great guest.
Speaker 11 (54:03):
Well that's easy, yeah, I mean, well, not that he
has time, but ask for sure at some point. I
think I think that'd be a very fun discussion. His
point of view on everything, a certain point of view,
if you will, all right, well, I think of anything,
it's just time to see it. Farewells, but also thank
you as always to our listeners who keep on supporting us.
(54:25):
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and we always appreciate the support. Keep following, keep rating,
keep subscribing, keep telling your friends about it, and we'll
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Speaker 6 (54:46):
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I don't remember having such a repertoire with Chopper, like, well,
that's not going to be any slower than you normally do.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Or maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue, those
lines you just delivered to the void, you know, and
there was no actual dialogue. Hi, everybody, Taserkr here, voice
(00:31):
of Sabine Wren, Specter five, and you are listening to
Potter Rebellion.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Thanks for joining us. And I'm not alone with us.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We have everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And we also.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Have what's up guys, Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger's Specter six.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
And with us is everybody.
Speaker 7 (00:53):
It's John Ley Brodney, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the
Potter Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,
episode four of the Old Republic and the words of
Harris and Doula. Hang on because here we go. Nice,
how's everybody doing? This is a fun episode. Let me
just say that, fun, action packed, very all right, I'm
(01:15):
talking everybody.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
That's everybody see you guys this week? All right.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
So there's a lot that happens in this episode. So
I think we should just jump right in and we'll
get into my recap. I'm sure there's a lot of
things we can talk about. There's a lot of action,
but a lot of like character building, which is a
lot of fun, which we'll get into. But before we
get to that, as always, we do the little recap.
So Star Wars Rebel Season two, Episode four, Relics of
the Old Republic original air date October twenty first, twenty fifteen. Now,
(01:44):
before I do the recap, does anyone know the significance
of October twenty first, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
I was probably picking out my Halloween costume that year.
Besides that, am I doing sexy Cain or sexy Lawyer?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can you give us a hen sexy?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Oh you o cat? It involves a flying DeLorean. It's
a very pop culture future.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's a future future date.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
So back to the future too. When Doc Marty and
Jennifer go to twenty fifteen, the day they go is
October twenty first, twenty to fifteen, which means.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
And they were going to watch Rebels.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
That's where they were going, except that they caught up
in like Hildale and all this stuff, and Jennifer sell
her her self. Were it not for that, Marty, Doc
and Jennifer could have watched this incredible episode of Star
Wars Rebels. When jac can fact check all this at
the end, he's probably got more of what was going
on in Hill Valley other than Jennifer, Marty, and Doc
not watching Star Wars Rebels but their loss. But anyways,
(02:42):
here comes to the recap for season two, episode four.
It's a race against time. The Empire's inbound, the Phantom
still needs repairs, and on top of it all, like
the the Root song from the year two thousand, a
sandstorm is coming. It's a two minute drill that would
make even Josh Allen a little nervous. Despite successfully shooting
down a tie Fighter, the danger is still very imminent
when Agent Callus ops for a ground assault against the
(03:03):
group with a trio of ad At Walkers. With the
walls closing and really fast, the only moves to go
right into the storm. Though they won't be able to
see in that storm, neither will the Imperial Walkers. However,
Canaan is able to position themselves for the best chance
of survival with his Jedi powers, flipping the script into
a two thousand George Clooney Special, which would be the
perfect storm. It's not like the Azra, who, like eminem
(03:25):
in two thousand and two, has one shot that either
sees the opportunity or let it slip. Lucky for everyone,
it's the former, and as Our fires away with such
precision it makes the do Perfect YouTube channel look like
child's play. This gives the Ghost cur a window to escape,
but Ezra doesn't want to leave Rex, Wolf and Gregor
a behind, but Rex asserts Azra that this is how
it's supposed to be. They escape while him, Gregor, and
(03:46):
Wolf go out in a blaze of glory like bon Jovi.
Only that's not how it goes down. The fandom swings
back around Canaan Azra zeb hijacking add At and turn
its cannons on Callus, which solidifies Azara's earlier sentiment that
they all make a great team when they work to Meanwhile,
back at the Empire, there's an encounter with an inquisitor
brother of the fifth kind, who is determined to finish
the job of tracking down the Rebels. The episode ends
(04:07):
with the union we all had hope for and been
waiting for, the Clone Captain and the Jedi Commander back
together at last, Still more battles ahead to be fought well,
with the comfort of knowing that they'll have each other.
And that's the recap for Season two, Episode four, Relics
of the Old Republic.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Dude Perfect.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
There's a lot in this one were like dude perfect,
dude perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I don't know what that reference was. Oh, this is
a time that I'm not known.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
You've seen you've seen these clips on social media, like
when it's a group of guys, but it started. They'll
do like they'll throw a frisbee one hundred yards in
it'll land in a trash can. They're like, dude perfect,
and it was like all of the like perfectly fine tune.
Or they'll like throw a playing card and it'll land
in a fan blade. Like it's that thing of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Like precision tricks that yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Be worried. Like once you watch one, it's one of
those things where you can't stop watching them too, like
you just keep going, oh my god, what else are
gonna do? What else they're gonna do?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Show you that? Is it all real?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Or is it like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're like
athletes that didn't make pros that they are all like
buddies here. I mean stuff that we my brother and
I would do grown up all the time. We would
try a million times until we finally like through the tennis.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Fall through the gutter hole and once you go perfect,
Yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
There's a whole thirty for thirty special on them too, like.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
That that's really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're huge.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
If thirty for thirty for me is like, okay, that's you.
You're legit. You're legitimized by thirty for thirty. Okay, cool,
I'll check.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
It out right on, right on. So thoughts on this episode, everybody,
how's everybody feeling?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, I go ahead, no, no, no, please? Well the animation,
if we can just like start from the macro into
the micro that sandstorm.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
I I was just.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Blown away by that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I mean, I know it's zero visibility in this and that,
but that that was such an ingenious way to just
like double down on the vast sea of the sort
of Jaws homage, you know, where the desert is almost
like the sea. For them to then have this sandstorm
was the way they executed it. I thought was just
(06:27):
mind boggling. I was blown away by that totally.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, how you animate that? Like I watched it, but
it must have been painstaking.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I would imagine you go to the Instagram filter called
and you call it a haboo.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, hats off to them, like those Saharan sandstorms.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Or even in Arizona palm springs gets them. Oh, I
think it's haboo, right.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Something like Jacon's gonna have to fact check. Yeah, it's
his area of expertise. The whole sequence, I agree, even
as I was like, whoa, this animation is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But also just the that whole sequence.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
In the sandstorm, no one can see. We're using force sensitivity.
It's like super high stakes, like your blood pressure is high.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It was such a like thrilling sequence.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I feel like we haven't seen in Rebels anyway
that kind like that before, you know where it's like
this conceit of like no one can see anything and
you're just gonna have to trust your senses. And you know,
it's a teaching moment for Ezra. You know, Canan says
to trust and to tell Ezra to trust himself, and
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he does and he nails it. And I don't know,
I thought it was just like peak badassness.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And when Rex as you know, just like the good
old days, when he when he you know, trusts Canaan's
ability to see the Jedi ability to see things. That
was to continue with the episode previously that you know,
we got into sort of Canaan's post traumatic stress around
losing his master in Order sixty six, and to see
(08:14):
them work together was yet another really satisfying moment that
demonstrates that we can communicate and heal from things like
that felt momentous to me personally, a return to balance,
and I appreciated that when sorry, I'm not sorry, I
(08:34):
agree when Rex says I always trust my general And
then it pans to Canaan's reaction of that and.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Trying to digest how he feels about that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
That was really moving. I really yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, it goes back to this war thing to me
as well, Like I get this real sense of like
vets and what they know, and I think that's always cool.
Like that's something I enjoyed about. And or the early
was the movie is called end Or.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Two, Rogue one, Rogue one, Rogue one, sorry, Rogue one,
Like it was like it felt like a war film
at times almost like Dunkirk in a.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Way, And I love that and it's fun when you
get it in this show in this way.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, agreed, hard agree.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Yes, Yeah, it's a great example of because it's really
you know, we see like you know, you know on
the Star Destroyers and stuff like that, but it's really
like this single location story that we got, but they
made it feel so much bigger. Back to your point,
Vanessa and to you about the sandstorm, like to add
that steak of okay, the visibility is going to be zero,
and then just it made this it's the same location,
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but just these added external elements that raise the stakes
and raise the chances of like failure because like you
could literally get one shot to get this right. It's
just it's such a great example. I feel like screenwriters
and any storyteller should study this episode of how you
can take one location and then really expand the characters
(09:59):
and it's just gonna feel much bigger than one location.
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Steve voicing imperials will never not be funny to me,
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And having a conversation with d who's in the a
storyline like the two of them back and forth.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It kills me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Every there's like a little tree. Yeah we should, yes,
we should.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Uh, there's there's a hang on drinking game. There's how
many stormtroopers is Steve? And then how many billions of
characters is D?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I feel like that that would be a fun drinking games,
like anytime you can identify Steve's voice, whether he's.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
An imperial or some other like creature thing. Same for D.
I get well, if you if you do both D
and Steve, you're you're not going to make it through
it up.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So yeah, don't operate heavy machinery.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, oh, you guys. That scene or that shot rather
of Canaan Ezra and zeb like jumping out of that
was so sick.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I was curious, actually, I was like, that should be
a print, that should be a poster.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And then it occurred to me to ask you, Taylor,
have you ever signed that?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh, is anyone listening?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do y'all have that as a print? Like that is
so sick. I feel like I want that on my wall.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
That was that was epic. I love that moment so much.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
All right, for any of you artists out there or
people who create Star Wars rebels art, just just a
gentle suggestion and idea, that's a really really cool shot.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think, sorry, go ahead to.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I was just gonna say, there's something to this. I know,
you know, uh Luke gets the death Star. You know
he has like one shot and this and that. There's
something about having so much hope and trusting your your
the force, your instincts, this or that, and it reminded me.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I was in.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
An acting class one time and the teacher and stought
me if I've told the story before, but it was
amazing to me.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
The whole class was in a.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Circle and it was an improv class, and my teacher
was trying to teach us that we all know exactly
you need to He said, you need to act on
a dime.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Don't inhal act, just act.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
And he put a shoe somewhere in the circle and
he said, I want you to walk to it.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And we blindfolded and we were like, hell the hell
are we going to know where the shoe is? I
And here's what's so weird.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Every single person who focused knew where the shoe was
and walked over to it and picked it up. And
I had forgotten that lesson. I know, I don't understand
what that is, but it reminds me like when when
Canaan says, sometimes you can see things without using your eyes.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think that's a really valuable lesson up.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
There with you can heal things with, you know, just untenable,
unfixable situations, post war whatever, that we can heal and
communicate and tolerate each other and learn to empathize and
whatever else. But that there is something very powerful about
being given permission to close your eyes and do something
and be an expert at it now, just owning your
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power in that moment. And I had forgotten about that
was oh my gosh, a million years ago.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
But I thought, like, this isn't just for Jedi.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think civilians may also utilize these tools.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It inspired me.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
So you're dead on and it's beautiful, And that is
in line with The Little Prince, that's one of my
favorite books. That what the heart can see, the thing
that you love most, you aren't gonna be able to see
it necessarily with your eyes. There is this whatever sense
we want to call it, but we do have it.
And I think that's that thing that I don't know
sadly as a kid. I think we all kind of
have until we lose the loose touch with that and
(13:53):
then you're just trying to get that back all the time.
And it's so beautiful, like that's if we could always
maintain that. That's this like wonderment that is real too,
that's like the magic.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Of the world.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, and that's our show. I don't think I can
any that was it.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
This is the one time Jac's like, I have no response.
That was perfect. There's no notes on this one. No,
that's so valid, and I love that you brought that
up because it's really like the whole thing is what
you see can actually is the thing that's making you blind,
you know. And it was such a nice callback to
Obi Wan's lesson to Luke and a new hope, like
(14:32):
your eyes can deceive you, but without them using those words.
And they're so smart about those callbacks but not making
it a callback other than Sparkle rebelling where he quotes
obi Wan. But you know, Freddy did it in his
own way. But it's such a valuable lesson and you're
ripeing us that it goes beyond Jedi training. I think
that's a great human lesson.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, you wouldn't think so, but it is.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I didn't believe that anyone would know where the shoe was,
but I was just I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I found it, and I can't even believe I did.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
But that's the thing that's fun I'm sorry, that's so
funny on that that idea, because that idea governs so
much of life to me, it's really hard to articulate that.
Like when you're talking, I remember when I was a kid,
like trying to tell my parents, like I know this
is it, but I can't necessarily explain why. But I
(15:22):
promise you I feel it and then and then it
might happen. And I'm like, I intuitively know that's happening,
but I cannot necessarily articulate it the correct way because
it is transcendent of words, and Chemus says that, like,
it's such a shame that humans the best we were
given to communicate was language, because it will never meet
what it is all of a sudden, a podcast where
(15:43):
like decoding what someone says, then processing it and then
encoding it back.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
But we're losing a little bit. If only we could.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Just like touch, and that's what we're transmitting everything we
mean and will never be able to do that, and
I think that's why you're closer to some people and
others you're like, oh, it's closer communication, but you just
never fully get whatever that sense that you're talking about.
I think that's everything, and I don't know how to
talk about it. And I think that's also beautiful and fine.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Have you ever had where your phone's about to ring
and you're like, my mom's gonna call and then your
phone rings in it's your mom?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You ever?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Am I the only person?
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Probably probably.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
This is where we're signing, Vanessa, you have the gift.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, Or it's like my phone my watch goes like
someone's calling, and I'm like, I think that and then
I know and I look at my phone and that
is who it is. It's I don't know. To me,
that feels like finding a shoe. I don't know that
that's a talent, but it might be something that it's incution.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, like being being able to access or allow yourself
to use your intuition, which I think, I think to Taylor's.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Point, like we unlearned that as we get older, and you're.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Sort of forced or encouraged to become more practical and logical.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
So then you sort of.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Tamp down your your your your gut, like like trusting
your gut or listening to your gut, or even allowing
yourself to have a gut feeling, whether you trust it
or not, even to have to to let yourself have
that versus applying logic and reason and okay, well does
this make sense and like second guessing yourself?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
If we would allow ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
To be intuitive and trust that intuition, yeah, I think
we sort of unlearn it, like society makes us unlearned
because that's not practical necessarily right.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But in this case, as you got the job done,
and I love that you got a helmet.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I'm glad that Rex gave you a helmet. I thought
that was cool.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, then you took it off. He was like, like, dude,
you was you were as it was so like delighted parents.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
How to receive a gift when I was young, Like
we go over to our cousins stuff. She's like, and
if they can you do anything for Christmas that you
already have? You say, thank you so much it Jenny,
and we'll talk about it on the way out because
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Yeah, four of these.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh thanks, I don't need it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, it was very I thought that like childlike wonderment
on Ezra's face was very sweet. It was like, you know,
Christmas morning and then and then two seconds later he's like, man.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Get this thing off me.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I want more FaceTime. Let me give me one of those.
I love that. Okay, I love you. Brought up that
moment because it's a little moment two seconds of the
show where Ezra kind of almost loses his balances and
he's like, I got you. It's just a simple thing.
But it's like you just see the sibling bond, this
this familial bonds really growing and it's just simple, like
you know, I got you, don't worry about it. And
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he's and Ezra's like, doesn't has to say thing. He's like, okay, cool,
like he just knows that, Yeah, she's got me. I
can trust this. It's like that trustfall you were doing
team building activities and she just totally at his back.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'd love that or yes, and to what like to
tie that back into what Taylor was saying just a
minute ago about how Taylor you were saying, how like
that's why you can be well, I hope I'm not
misquoting you, but like you can be closer to some
people because you're able to communicate not Jess verbally, and
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like that allows you to like have as stronger bond.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And I was just thinking, as John, as you were
saying that that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Like they're established or that has been established and it
just grows because you know, I think you probably get
pretty close to people when you're like gonna die at
any moment.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Trust the people you're with to like get through this
situation at hand and then the next one and the
next one.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So I love.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Seeing I was just thinking kind of the similarities about
what you were just saying that, like, yeah, they have
that where they don't need to talk about it. She
knows and he's she's got him and he's got her,
and same for all of these, you know, members of
the Ghost Crew.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
But I thought that was sweet moment. It's just a
cool moment.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Just a cool like, oh, they don't need to discuss
they're on the level.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
It's like a sports team when when the chemistry really
locks in, like when I played ball, like or shout
out to Stevie Lafalis, who is r QP one in
high school sometimes sometimes I just kind of give one
of these and he gives a point back, we know,
like okay, like because I see something in the defense
and I give one of these, like okay, I know
to like throw it high and outside. It's like they're
getting those sort of nonverbal cues or just like a
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two word verbal cue just to let you know I
got your back without having to say all those words,
and like it's just it's so organically growing to that
point though. It's like it's so like I said, two
seconds of the show, but it's so powerful when you
watch it, like I got you and he's like, oh,
Like you can just see the comfort on his face.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You know. There was another moment like that when Kanan says,
I hate it when he's right. Okay, guys, Yeah, it
was kind of behind yeah, which I love that he
that they turned around and again that shot of them
jumping down was amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
But that was such a that was so key.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I hate it when he's right, and he just underplayed
it and then went into you know, as much as.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I don't like them, I don't want them to die.
But I just thought that was brilliant.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
That reminded me of this Western movie, one of my
favorite movies called Shane. I don't know if you're familiar
with it, because remember in the end, it's like, Shane
come back. But as you know Shane, Okay, this movie
came out a long time while.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Shane and Shane comes back.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
But in this case, Shane does come back because Shane
leaves in the movie because he doesn't want the boy
to see him on his last mission or whatever. In
this case, he flips it on a ten, like, no,
We're going to come back and save these guys. Because again,
Star Wars is rooted in Western and Samurai movies. So
I just immediately thought of the movie Shane, probably because
I always think of the movie Shane, but I particularly
thought of it when they came back, and I thought
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that was really cool and and and a very big
growth moment for Canaan, even though he's kind of in
denial of the growth and it's probably scary to him
that he would lean into it. But yeah, I love
that line too, because it's very much a Freddy line.
Yeah in any ways too.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also like this from the last episode into this episode,
where we keep seeing Canaan's sort of internal struggle not
just with like is he going to get on board
with these clones, but also them sort of recognizing him
as a general or like a military commander and him
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rejecting that and not feeling worthy, which we've you know,
in season one, we kind of got got some of that,
like got got to know that part, that side of
Canaan and just that like through this battle sequence and
through this he sort of I feel like when he
says I always trust my general, the.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Reaction and this is like animation, guys.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And you can see the nuance of his reaction being
different than his reaction in the last episode when I
forget which clone says something about him being in command,
He's like, I know, do you remember that he says,
like rejects, rejects the suggestion that he would be in charge,
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and he's like, I'm no, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
And then this time he kind of softens to it.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I guess he's still not like on board, you can tell,
but just in that moment, that brief moment where he
receives that and he like chooses to not protest, and
I thought that was really a telling moment and also
like animated and you get all of that from just
like a brief facial expression and a brief like glance.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's really that's something I wrote down as a question
to you guys, And if we're not giving JC that
much fact checking.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Serious, I'm curious of him weighing on this as well,
because it started as very solutistically. I was trying to
figure out why I watching part of this episode, I
was like, oh, I think I prefer this story being
told in animation right now. And there are moments when
I'm watching this show and I'm like, dang, it'd be
cool to see this in live action.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Why there?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I have friends who they would prefer almost everything to
be animated, and then other friends who who have never
seen anything animated in their life. Why we why anyone
prefers animation at times or live action? Like I'm just
I was trying to figure out myself, like there's certain
things I'm like, oh, I like watching that animated and
then the rest not, but I don't. I, as a
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fairly reflective person, I couldn't figure out exactly why. And
I was curious with you guys, what when you prefer
animation and when you prefer live action.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Or why?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I to be honest with you, I always prefer live action.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
No, I don't actually think that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I I think, well, I've also not thought of this
before until you've just closed this question. But as I'm
thinking about it, it occurs to me that I think
that I just accept what it is, like, meaning if
I'm watching live action it's live action and watching animation,
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I don't I don't ever go, oh, I wish this
was live action, because I just sort of I accept
what it is and I watch it for that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Does that I don't know if I'm articulating myself well here,
but I've never I've never wished one was the other.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
I suppose sure?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Does that?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah? Like for example, finding Nemo, never want to see
that live action? Well, it's so perfectly that to me.
And then there are other things like Jungle Book. I'm like,
that's kind of I kind of want to see some
of like be in the Jungle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
But I don't know, Like I asked the question because
I have zero I'm curious with what you guys think.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm aware of production and cost sometimes.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Where I'm like.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, no, no, that would be far too impractical.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, but I'm like, those are the thoughts I have.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was like, well, thank god this is animation, because
if they try to do this live action, I mean,
my god, this yeah, you know, like, oh wow, I'm
glad they did this live action. Because they did this animation,
I can see them, you know, I mean brain hemorhages,
like how are we going to make this word?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Oh that's interesting. I don't I think, I don't. I
don't yearn to see it differently. I'm just thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I think I just think like, oh, thank god it's
this and not that, you know, or if it were that,
it would be Oh man, I wonder how they'd even
do that. And then I go back to a lot
of just mumbling. Definitely by the way, I have you
like sorry to you, go ahead.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I was just I was just going to say that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm also kind of I don't know if anyone else
listening is the same, but I'm also like precious about
things I really love. And it's also probably especially from
like things from my childhood, so like you know that
nineteen when did the Jungle Book that animated the Jungle
Book come out? Like in the sixties maybe sixties or
seventies before I was alive, but I grew up watching
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that jungle Book, so you know, when there was a
new like a live action jungle Book, I was like,
I don't know. That jungle Book is so good, it's
so perfect, and like similarly Aladdin, one of my favorite
animated things of all time, I was, I was reluctant
to accept there be you know. So I guess it's
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also just me being precious about things that I really
love and really care about and not wanting to see
that either.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
You know, I just.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Not wanting to see anyone screw up.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I guess now that thing, and John, I want to
hear your answer in Jc's I'm thinking. I'm thinking why
I like sort of things like if it is political,
or if it is if it is mirroring our world
in a way that I think it's a beautiful message.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I like it existing in a fantasy world or animation
like Lord of the Rings or Stars.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Something that's mirroring our world.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
But the message isn't too familiar is it coming through
familiar things like an actor we know or you know
what I mean, a face that feels too real exactly
like animated. Also, like some comedies like The Simpsons, the
absurdity can be there in a joke because it is there.
But then if it's marriage story, for example, I want
it to be these people that I can really connect
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with that I'm like, oh my god, I feel that
just the way they look off right now.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
I feel that so much.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
So whereas I don't like, I guess in big ideas,
I do enjoy it in animation whatnot, and then some
small or more human ideas. Maybe I don't know, that's
just a thought. But John, what do you think?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Yeah, that's because you know, between the three of you
kind of I don't know if there's not one, you know,
lateral answer obviously or maybe Jac. If anyone does has
the answer, it's probably JC. But I think you all
kind of answer the question. So I've talked to many
directors in my time and animated, live action and Vanessa
to your point, when you come to live action, there's
so many restrictions, like there's so many people telling you no,
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you can't do this or you can't say this. If
you watch like a Miyazaki movie or Mamudo Hozada who
did Wolf Children, there are certain messages you can have
in those films you can't have in live action, and
you tell it through the metaphor like buoying the hair
on or Ponio or you know, or a princess Mononoke.
You do think the metaphor of these like mythological creatures.
(29:42):
And I think that's to your point, Taylor, when you
have those sort of messaging, so it's not beating people
over the head with it, I feel like animation kind
of almost softens the blow but doesn't soften the impact
of the message. So I feel like you just have
more creative freedom as a storyteller. I think a lot
of times with animation, I mean, I'll I'll die in
this hill. That to me, the best Batman movie ever
(30:04):
is Batman Mask of the Phantasm, all the animated series,
when Bruce Timpauldini did Batman and when the grelat great
Kevin Conwar, who I think is the best Batman Bruce
Wayne to ever do it. And Vanessa Yorke's closely with
I know you worked with Kevin over the years. The
stories they told in animated series, those are the stories
I wish they would tell in live action, you know,
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but they overcomplicated on the live action side, or even
when you did Injustice Vanessa, like that story of Injustice
Too was the best Justice League story I've ever seen.
So yeah, I think it's just there are certain things
with animation. I think this is why a lot of
people consider Star Wars er brals peak Star Wars is.
I feel like there are certain things they could do
with the storytelling there that may have been too many restrictions,
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or they gotta follow Cannon, they gotta follow this with
the live action. I feel like that's for animation really shines.
But then a movie like Past Lives from Selene's Song,
I don't know if that would work as an animated movie.
You know that that works because you have these human stories.
So it's and back to your point, T, I think
you're just a very present viewer of this is what
it is. And am I interested by these characters? Am
(31:10):
I interested by the story? And if it happens to
me in this form, cool? And if I'm not interested,
then it just happens that it was an animated series.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Right, Yeah, that's the healthiest I'm like trying to change
in Oh no, I want this, I want that. That's
that's a healthy philosophy, it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is what it is. By the way, that's one
of my least favorite sayings. It is what it is. Yeah,
there more than it is what it is. But in
this case, it is what it is. And I either yeah,
maybe I either like it or I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But I guess I've never It's never occurred to me
to wish it was in a different format, you know
what I mean. I do sometimes see like a live
action version of an animated thing that I care deeply about,
and what do you think about that? And I decided, no,
in fact, it should not have been made live action.
They should have just stuck with, you know, what worked
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and what was beautiful and perfect. And but you know,
Hollywood loves a remake, loves to recycle, you know, so
I doctor, that's a whole nother conversation.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
But but I.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Think it's a you know, it's just a evidence of
a curious mind, Taylor, that you are actively thinking, like, oh, this,
this would be cool if it was animated.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, it's not the best because you're looking at people.
You're like, that'd be cool if there's just nice.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
But yeah, if this was better, I would like it.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
But it is what it is, So there I go, there,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I just had one more thought on the like Canaan
not fully embracing when once we saved him or you
guys did uh, they salute him and he just nods
like that's more than the last episode.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But that's all he could do with them, salute them
as well. But also, I.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Don't know if you had this experience watching this this time.
You know we're doing a rewatch, but I don't remember
having such a repertoire with Chopper, like well, that's not
going to be any slower than you normally do, or
I loved it, it was so but what's weird is
like I'm like, oh, that's so awesome that she's like,
get on it.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I don't remember any of that.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Maybe because maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue,
maybe maybe it's easier to remember our scenes because we
were doing them opposite each other. We were interacting, acting, interacting,
whereas those lines you just delivered to the void, you know,
and there was no actual dialogue.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That's very true, because I remember interactions and I remember
feeling it awesome one and I really don't remember the
things that were just one awful lines.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was amazed, like, I thought it was really funny.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Was really yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I was delighted by the interaction. And You're kind of
just like grumble grumble, and he's like, you know, it's
when he groaned off. He was like, I guess because
I didn't know what he was doing. I was just
sort of acting into a void. That's probably you're right.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, well, the other thing, on a different topic, I
need to get into the inquisitor, but we don't quite yet.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
But so go ahead and say anything.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And also, John, you were about to say something else,
so I don't forget.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Oh yeah, we can't forget about fifth Brother. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
But you know, Hara has a really cool arc too,
even though it's a very light hair episode. First of all,
there's two hang ons. She says, hang on, hang on.
So we wrought the three right, wrapt the three so
far in season two of the Hara hang Ons.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
But it's a slow drinking game.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
This is a slow burned one. Get them like the
one hundred and fifty proof McCallan or whatever, so you
get that quicker whatever they need. Shout out to our
non sponsor McAllen Scotch. But it's all right there. It's
a light hair episode, but I feel like there's an
important lesson there too, because sometimes the hardest thing as
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a leader is not being able to do anything at all,
or you had the power down and wait and sometimes
the path at least resistance, whatever you want to call it,
is going to be the best path. And that's the
case for Hara in this episode, which I don't know
how many people have talked about it. I've listened to
like a handful of Star Wars podcast. I think it's
easier to focus on the action because the action is
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amazing in this episode, but how hard it must have
been for Hara to not be able to do anything,
you know, but and you know, and keep her sanity
because you know it could as she could have been
impulsive and just flown down there in the ghost and
then try to save the day, but she knew that No,
at this moment, I have to stay still, And just
by my time, I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, she's good at that.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
I think we can all learn from that. Sometimes we
all need to power down and wait, yes and.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Try and and like trust trust, just like she she's forced,
not forced but she's sort of put in a position
that she's forced to trust that we are all going
to do what we do, that she knows that we're
capable of.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And sometimes you just gotta like.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let go and whatever is going to happen is going
to happen, and just you know, trust your instincts and
trust your these you know, like your your comrades instincts,
and and I'm sure that's I mean, I'm saying that,
and I'm not really able to do that. I am
not nearly as chill as what I'm describing, but but
(36:58):
it's it's a good reminder that is a healthy thing
to do.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
It was Hararah like Jordan. When Jordan finally trusted the
triangle offense, It's like, oh, John Packson can hit the
three pointer, I can pass on the ball, I can pass.
Not that Harah was of the mindset of I have
to do everything myself, but it was her just like
trusting that they're going to be okay. Let me make
sure this is okay here. And it's back to what
she told Cain in the last episode. We can't help
others unless we help ourselves. So if her and Shopper
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don't fix the ghosts. What good is she going to
be when they're successful down in Cels and getting out
of that messterin So I just think, again, it's a
very light episode, but all the layering of the characters
is just so prevalent there. And another thing I want
to bring up. We talked about the music last week,
like it sounded like Jaws, but when they defeat the
ad At Walkers, it sounds like et It felt like
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another John Williams callback, and I'm knowing JC he may
have a specific, like, you know, some more specificity to that,
but I got et vized, especially when the one Imperial
Troopers left behindind of like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That when he's like running and he looks that was so.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Comedic and funny, like a little just reprieve from the
you know, action packed episode.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
And Indiana Jones. I don't may I think it was
a direct now to Indiana Jones. But the part where
they're being shot at by the tie Fighter and Greg
was like, it's been a while since we've been shot
at and then he's like what happens to us every day?
There's this part in Last Crusade where you know, Seaunkar's
like they're trying to kill us Junior. He's like, oh,
I know, Dad, He's like, what should never happened to me?
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He's like, yeah, it happens to me all the time,
you know. So I felt like there was a nice
indie nod through Sabine, which I thought was really cool.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
So I like it.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Now, fifth Let should we talk about fifth brother before
we get into some fact checking with JC, because we
got to talk about fifth Brothers.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
I mean, I can't help thinkquizards are the Mormon fifth Brothers,
seventh Sister, all these names. They tricked me out of it.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
They all want the b Yu, they all want to
him young.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
I love it. It's a big, big family that is killing people.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
You guys.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I am so sorry that I didn't do my homework,
but I wrote down who voices this inquisitor?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
And I didn't look it up myself. Who voices this inquisitor?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (39:12):
I just had it up to he has three names.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
It's on the tip of my braind Michael Murray, Lucas
Scott Is Thomas. That would be amazing, actually release the
JTT cut of the Fifth Brother.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I should probably have looked this up myself. I thought
you guys were gonna JC. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
I remember who played him in live action?
Speaker 10 (39:37):
Oh so Philip, Well, Philip Anthony Rodriguez has quite a
imposing voice, like like, what a great what a great voice?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And also do you for JC? Maybe is that his
accent or is he doing an accent? All right, I'm
just asking.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I'm just Philip real quack.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Someone get Phillip on the phone, because if it's not
his real well, either way, it's a great it's a
great accent. But I was curious if that's his actual Uh,
if that's if he was creating a.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Character with J.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
C'll know, I went end out, you know, Jac, I
think it's He was played in live action the Kenoby
series by Sun Kang from the Fast and Furious series.
You're kidding, yeah, because I remember when Sun got the
role and I was like, you're playing fifth brother and
he didn't. I don't know how much he knew about
what was that was going to entail, but yeah, they
had him in the makeup and everything. They made him
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look awesome on the show, which a very under I'd
like that series. A lot of people you know, didn't,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
But I I it is wait, are you talking Fast
and the Furious.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
Yeah, he was han and Fast and furious. But he
played fifth Brother in uh the Kenoby series.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Wait what's his name?
Speaker 6 (40:57):
They made? They made fifth Brother? H brought me to
actually brother?
Speaker 7 (41:02):
What they did?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
What? What's what's the answer saying?
Speaker 6 (41:07):
I just want to saying some king. Yeah, that's good,
fifth Korean brother? With all the names? I mean, the
Grand Inquisitor is the grand Inquizer. But then where's one
through four? We're six, six, cousin, eight daughter.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
We need like a Parks and w rec type of
show with like the inquisitors, like a workplace comedy, like
what what's day to day life for those guys around?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
We're talking about the latest job?
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Do you hear what the Grand Inquisitor do? What happened
to the Grand Inquisitor?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's funny?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, he's very you know, all of the inquisitors. I
feel like on rebels. Oh here's a question. Oh this
might be a stupid question. I'm going to ask it anyway,
because you.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Know what, we're all very surprised. Wow this okay.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Apologies to you guys who are listening. If you're like, how.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Does she not know that?
Speaker 6 (42:06):
But I thought storm inclosure.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Were there inquisitors that were called inquisitors before rebels?
Speaker 6 (42:21):
That is a great question.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
That is a great question.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Oh, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I was worried that you guys were gonna be like
duh and blah blah blah. He might be like, uh,
it's eighth book of this series of whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I feel like Tales of the Jedi went back and
did shorts about Ahsoka's childhood and on and on. I
feel like in the timeline that things had been released
in the narrative, Yes, I believe. Is it morocc There's
there's a really horrible inquisitors j C. You'll know his
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exact name, who really played by Clancy that you know,
attacks her and it's this huge fire scene.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Another amazing animated show. Or was that Tales of the Empire?
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That might have been Tales of the Empire actually anyway,
But I think in the Clone Wars, I don't remember
seeing any inquisitors in.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So we introduced inquisitors rebels?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Did? I feel like we may have unless they're in
literature that I did not read.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
And I'm glad Dave Field in my pitch on that, because.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I just want to say that inquisitors are bad ass,
Like they're so scary in there, in each in their
own scary, creepy, very you know, intimidating way. Like they're
all so rad and I'm glad if we are the
one If our show introduced inquisitors to Star Wars Star Wars,
(44:02):
I would be very pleased to know that.
Speaker 7 (44:04):
So j they're very fashionable too. Yeah, they're so cool.
It's like you ever seen the movie Dress to Kill
with Nancy Ellen. It's just the Palma movie from like
the seventies. She's dressed so cool in that movie. Or
it's like when you watch like a slasher movie and
you're like, you're kind of attracted to the slasher but
that you shouldn't because they're dressed so cool. That's kind
of how the inquisitors are. Like, Yeah, it's like why
(44:26):
are why are these inquisitors like so cool but evil?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Like why do you be able to unpack this?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
John?
Speaker 7 (44:32):
Actually listen to my other pock Well we get into that,
So I think I think my my, I think my
inquisitor fetish is a great segue to our favorite part
of the show, JC. What do we got for fact
check today? Help us your only hope? Okay, here we go,
(44:55):
I got a lot.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
I don't have a lot of stuff, But I feel
a little bit better because initially I was like, you
guys had such a good, heady kind of conversation today,
and I was like, I had a bunch of like schlock.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
To talk about.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
I'm not going to go in order here, So I
apologize the conversation that you guys were having about animation
versus live action. I used to back in the day
get into arguments because people would be like, we need
a live action Ahsoka, or we need a live action this,
and I was like, I don't think so I feel
like by saying that you need this in live action,
it kind of devalues the art form of animation. Like
(45:32):
the story is the story. If it's a great story,
we don't need a shot for shot remake Lion King
of what was great in animation. So, Tia, I'm also
kind of with you on that is like I don't
really watch I don't really like compare the mediums when
I'm watching it.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I just kind of take it in as what it is.
Speaker 8 (45:51):
But I did have I have had a lot of
conversations with David Collins about this, who did a lot
of the sound on like bad in Star Wars animation
and is now doing live action.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Like Skeleton Crew and these types of things.
Speaker 8 (46:06):
And something that he said and I tend to agree with,
is that animation allows you to take risks that you
would never be able to take in live action because
similarly to like what Vanessa said, expense, but also I
think people are more forgiving of animation. In the next episode.
(46:28):
There's some slapstick kind of Looney Tunes stuff where Ezra
bumps his head in episode five that we're about to
talk about, which totally would not be funny, would not
work in live action. It seems cheesy, but in animation
it works one hundred percent, and you kind of look
forward to those moments of levity in animation that you
don't in live action. So I think, you know, animation
(46:53):
benefits from a tolerance that people have for it that
allows it to be riskier than what you would ever
do in live action. And because you're allowed to be
riskier and take these risks and take bigger swings, you're
able to hit a lot more home runs. And I
think Rebel succeeds in that. I mean across well, look
(47:14):
at Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 9 (47:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
I think that validates that idea. I didn't pick up
the et music.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I apparently cracks are showing in my fact check armor,
but I'm sure that's it. Philip Anthony Rodriguez. That is
not his accent in the show. That is not his voice.
He's doing a full on character voice and everything. Inquisitors,
(47:40):
Grand Inquisitors, second sister. There is no third that I
could find listed anywhere. Fourth brother, fifth brother, sixth brother,
seventh sister, eighth brother. And Vanessa Marok, which you got right,
was once known as the first brother. And I think
I think he shows up as like a pilot in
(48:04):
the live action Ahsoka show.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yes, I think he's introduced there, and then they translated
him over to I believe it's Tales of the Empire.
They brought it backwards the Jedi. Actually, is it Tales
of the Jedi? When she's fighting him around a fire?
She goes to work at some farm and she's like
bailing hay and doing her thing, and then dude walks
up and like lights place on fire, and it's kind
(48:28):
of like, wow, this is not going to end.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well, oh my goodness, you know, Yeah, I think it's
Tales of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Which technically would be before Rebels, but we didn't see
it until long after Rebels ended. So within the narrative, yes,
they existed, but within like the introduction of them into
the lure and our sense of awareness about them, we
didn't know that she did all that as a child
and this and that it kind of fleshed out the backstory,
(48:57):
much like they're going to flesh out the Rebels backstrow eventually.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Right right, Yeah, And on that I do not believe,
and I did in fact check myself on this. I
just used my own knowledge. But I think inquisitors were
an invention for Star Wars Rebels. I don't think that
pre lore it was like Darth Vader individually went and
hunted down all the Jedi, but rebels, I think he
(49:22):
was like he kind of had these acolytes that went
and did his bidding or helped him.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Do his bidding.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Love that.
Speaker 8 (49:31):
So in terms of the discussion you guys had, that's
all I have. I had a few of my own notes.
The ad ass we see are an early model ad
at that so that's why they look a bit little
bit different, But they are actually ad ats. Taylor, Sorry
you mentioned a haboob as a sandstorm that happens in
Coachella and Palm Springs.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Correct nailed it.
Speaker 8 (50:01):
There is historical precedent for a sandstorm. In Star Wars.
There is a whole deleted scene that takes place on
Tatuin after Jaba's palace and they blow up his sale
barge before Luke goes to Diegoba. There is a scene
that was filmed that had never been seen, that had
been talked about in the Return of the Jedi novelization,
(50:25):
and I think perhaps you've seen a photo here or
there in some of the Return of the Jedi like
kids books back in nineteen eighty three, where it's Lando
Chewbacca's injured and it's Lando and Luke and Lea helping
and the droids helping Chewbacca back to the Millennium Falcon
in the middle of a sandstorm, and the dialogue that
(50:49):
takes place there is very similar to dialogue that takes
place just after, which is you know, you know, thanks
for coming after me, Kid, I owe you one like
that Hunt Solo dialogue takes place during that sandstorm, and
Laya also in that says, hurry, the fleet should be
assembled by now, because Lukes like I got to go
back to Dagoba, So all of that is more concisely
(51:11):
done later. But there is a sandstorm scene in Return
of the Jedi. You can watch it now on the
Star Wars Blu Ray and then maybe extra on Disney
Plus if you go to Return of the Jedi. They
also made action figures of all of those characters. Hasbro
did around the time that the Blu Ray came out,
so Rebels really took that and kind of like made
(51:35):
it a more exciting scene because the scene's kind of
boring if you go back and watch it right now.
Callous mentions the pincer maneuver when they're in the ad Ads.
It's a naval tactic that was used in trap a
target starship between attacking warships. Wedge Antilles used it several
(51:57):
times against Grindmemeral Thron in the Now Legends Heir to
the Empire series, So that was another case of there's
always a little bit of truth in Legends. Dave Filoni's
quote also on it. In the ad at they say
intensify forward fire power to.
Speaker 6 (52:20):
Pummel the rebels.
Speaker 8 (52:21):
That's a direct line from Return of the Jedi as well,
where the captain of the Executor, not the Executor the Executor,
and I can go into why it is actually the
Executor not the Executor, which is the Giant Superstar Destroyer
says that just before the A Wing flies through the
bridge and return to the Jedi, which crashes the ship
(52:42):
into the Death Star.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
Executor was.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
There's a toy of it that was coming out in
the early eighties and they had done like mockups of
the packaging for the Executor Superstar Destroyer, and they're like,
oh my god, we can't put out a children's to
way that says Executor on it. So they changed the
name of the toy to Darth Vader's starship. Yes, now
(53:08):
I'm gonna get ad add on the internet about how
a toy is not why the name of a thing
is the name of a thing. But when the toy
company here, the people who are making up the names,
it very much.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
Is come mad at us.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Come on, sounds very sound.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
That's all I got. It's as shorty today. Love it. Well.
Speaker 7 (53:32):
One thing I want to point out, you said you
did in fact check yourself and you just went into
your brain. Isn't that what you always do anyway? So
I just want to point that out. You are so
what you do, so therefore everything you said is all canon.
But go ahead and add Like Michael Keaton, he's like,
come on at us. Thank you as always. We love
the fact check. Maybe you'll re listen and hear the
(53:55):
EAT because like I thought of ET because my default
is ET, but I don't know. Maybe it's a bonus episode.
And I'd love to get David Collins on here. I
think he'd be a great guest.
Speaker 11 (54:03):
Well that's easy, yeah, I mean, well, not that he
has time, but ask for sure at some point. I
think I think that'd be a very fun discussion. His
point of view on everything, a certain point of view,
if you will, all right, well, I think of anything,
it's just time to see it. Farewells, but also thank
you as always to our listeners who keep on supporting us.
(54:25):
We keep on going, you know, not just because we're
under contract with iHeart, because we do it mostly for
you guys that are listening to each and every week,
and we always appreciate the support. Keep following, keep rating,
keep subscribing, keep telling your friends about it, and we'll
keep on delivering the best Rebels content we can. But
until then, Taylor has the magic words as always.
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Do the music.
Speaker 7 (54:51):
Otter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing,
hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Sirkar, Taylor Gray and John
Ley Brody Executive producer and and how Star Wars Guru
slash factchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music was composed by
Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser
of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to the Holdy Frean, Aaron
Kaufman over at iHeart, Evan krasgoor At, Willie Morris Endeavor,
(55:13):
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