July 8, 2025 • 50 mins
Before diving into Season Two of Star Wars Rebels, the group takes a moment to reflect and review season one of the show. They talk about the feelings they had revisiting the show after all these years and all of the key memories that were unlocked. And of course how incredible it's been to see how much love the fans still have for Rebels to this day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's the most like common sentiment.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I feel like, yeah, it's like I didn't want to
watch it, and then I gave it a shot, which
makes me excited because if we just watched the season
that people are like, oh, I don't know, and then
they were like, season's two and three really really got me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I mean, I'm looking forward to what we got in store.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome, Welcome to Potter Rebellion, folks. Johny Brody here, your
friendly neighborhood moderator for this fine podcast. Now, before we
dive into season two of Star Wars Rebels, we wanted
to just take some time to reflect back on season
one as a whole, you know, go over some stuff
we may have missed, share some more stories that the
cast may have, maybe some more trivia from JC, you know,
all that good stuff. And since Star Wars Rebels started
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out as a two parter, we felt it was fitting
that our season one recap on Potter Rebellion being two
parts as well. So today is part one of two.
And of course we got the heroes behind the Ghosts
right here, starting with the Captain herself, not just of
the ghosts, but of the entire podcast. Or I'm just
going to say the Captain period Specter too on the
show Number one in Our Heart's the voice of Harrison
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Dula Vinessa Marshall, Hello, welcome, and next up, she's our
jetpack ambassador, our master of Disaster. Leah may have been
the Princess of the Rebellion, but she is our Goddess
of the Rebellion. The voices of being Bren t you, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Car Wow, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Hello, And you know.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We couldn't do this without our in house space Alightening,
who's always one jump ahead the Empire, the mayor of
Team Lightsaber, and the Count of monte Fisto himself, the
voice of Ezra Bridger Taylor Gray.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The Count of monte Fisto. What's up, guys?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
And that's not all everybody, And you know the saying, ohs, adventure,
excitement a Jedi crave is not these things. But I
would say knowledge, a Jedi does crave that. And this
man has a lot of knowledge. And even though his
brain rivals out of a supercomputer, he is in indeed
more man than machine. He's our producer, our canon consultant,
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our walking Jedi archive. Mister J. C. Reifenberg.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Hello, Hello, you get to listen to me all episode,
not just at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
We're here for the JC coup of the Potter Rebellion.
So if you want to take over, by all means,
my friend you, I hope you.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wrote an intro for yourself as well, because I'm realizing
now we need to intro you. But I don't have
anything nearly as good as what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You know what, maybe we can throw that to the
fans because we've seen a lot of creativity. You've seen
the animation that came out, and people are getting a
fan art and cosplay. So if anyone wants to write
an intro for myself, by all means, you know our email.
If you don't, it's Pottervillin Podcasts at gmail dot com.
Send it out and we'll read it on the show.
I think that could be fun.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
That would be great. I love that.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So Season one of Star Wars Rebels is in the books.
We've we made it. We're here. Also, how awesome was
Ashley ex Stein sticking around for two parts? How cool was.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
That I could listen to her talk about Steph indefinitely?
She was just so like, what a wealth of knowledge
and just insight, and she's just also just like a
really genuinely kind hearted person in real life. So if
anyone wants any tea on Ashley X sign, I don't
have any for you because she is genuinely the person
that you see is the person she is, like I
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feel like behind closed doors, she's just a really great,
great person and with a big heart.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
I was digging the raspy Ahsoka voice that she had
from being at the convention all week, and uh, I
was like, man, Ahsoka's brought some brought some history to
the podcast today. She's seen some stuff. I think Ashley
addressed it like part way through, but I was I
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was into that. But I like, you know, Stevie Nix
and singers like that. I like that recipe, the respe voice.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It was like Sultriyah Sooka.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh, I like the Sultriyahsoka that Actually we have a
new merchandise idea is so good coming to her universe
soon hopefully. So how's feel I guess hit every demographic?
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
How's everybody feeling with? You know, I know, like reliving?
Maybe I feel like and tell me if I'm wrong?
Watch rewatching the show? Did it unlock some memories that
you know? Some dormant memories. He realized, Oh my god,
Like it's like I think the saying now is like
a key memory was unlocked. Did that really happen for
the three of you as you were rewatching it?
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Yes, because I know we've talked about this at length
on this podcast, but like you know, it's not like Taylor,
Vanessa and I haven't seen each other since we stopped,
you know, since we finished recording the show. We see
each other all the time, which is wonderful. We just
had dinner together a couple of.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Deep Bradley Baker was in town, so we had had dinner,
which we do thanks to Vanessa being like, guys, we're
going to dinner and we're like, cool, yes, we're going
to dinner. So it's like we've been hanging out ever since,
and I've kind of I had forgotten like the specifics
of the show. And so this has been so wonderful because,
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as I've said before, I haven't seen it since it aired.
So getting to like actually go back and be like, oh,
this is what we did, this is why we're friends now,
this is the thing that you know, the catalyst.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So it's been.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
So it's been really nice because I had kind of
like that, had the specifics taken a back seat in
my mind, just because we've gone on with life and
we're all working on different projects and we're still friends, thankfully,
and we see each other and we see each other
at cons which is great, so we travel together, so
all that is wonderful. But I had kind of forgotten
like the whole, like the crux of it, which is
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the show. And so it's been really nice to go
back and as it's been a wonderful reminder.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I think, and I had said this previously that
you know, we would get the scripts, we wouldn't have
any idea what they would ever look like, prepare at
least three options, and then be directed directed into eight
other options, and then we have no idea what's going
to coalesce on the other end of it. And some
of the episodes we watched in real time with everyone
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as they aired, some we did not, some we have
zero recollection of ever seeing, which was hilarious as well.
But to have the entire four seasons and sort of
the full sense of the journey to then go back
and remember how naive we were in a way as
to what could befall this group of you know, this
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this chosen family. It was just really powerful and very moving,
and it almost feels like it was just lightning in
a bottle that of course gave birth to friendships that
you know, they're indelible bonds that will probably be having
dinners together forever and ever and sort of reminiscing about things.
But it's a genuine affection. And I mean, I'll speak
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for myself. I don't know, Taylor, if you're questioning things, no,
but but I have so much more respect for everyone
involved when I see your work now. You know, I've
gotten to know you guys so much better that I
just delight in certain choices that you made at the time.
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Oh my gosh, that's just amazing, Like how Sabine sort
of finds her power as the season goes along, and
you know, the way the two of you would interact
with each other in you know, various scenes and stuff
like that. Like it didn't strike me how wonderful that
was back then because we were just sort of doing
our job. But I was able to sort of delight
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in remembering it and also re experiencing it. So I
feel very fortunate to have been a part of it,
and just as the story gets deeper and richer, particularly
with the addition of Ashley, for me as a Star
Wars fan, et cetera, it just it just never ends.
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I can't believe it just gets better and better. So, yeah,
this has been a really enriching experience for me personally.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I love that I agree entirely with what Vanessa saying,
Like I think I took it for granted a little
bit or a lot bit, Like I was like, yeah,
it's a job, this is what we do, and looking
back at it is really sweet, and looking back at it,
I don't look back at things too often. I feel like,
and so it's this is like forced retrospection. I guess
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like it's and I'm not forced in a negative way,
Like it's really sweet what we're doing, but I thought.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You were making a Star Wars pun I was like,
I'm well done, my friend. Or retro Yeah, I mean now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Not just happening naturally, but it's been like incredible to
look back at like who we were as well, because
some choices just come out of like an organic place
of where you're at, and we change and grow so
much in the world changes and becomes something new and
that has an effect on us, and it's it's really
fun to even though I hadn't seen every episode, I
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experienced it like we did it, and I can look
back and remember where we were all at at that time,
and it's it's really nice to go back to a
time when sometimes I think it was better.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I feel topic Jason, you know, you are wealth and
knowledge each and every week on the show, and you
know when it comes to Star Wars trivia, like there's
there's no you know, untapped territory, but for you, like
what I feel like this layered your appreciation for the
Star Wars universe and to know these three and just
kind of going through the rewatch with us, would would
I be correct? And assuming that.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent was wild is exposing myself here
a little bit, but going into it, Yeah, it's not
quite like this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
This is this is where the podcast takes a turn.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Called Steve Bloom, here we go.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He's ready, he's.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
On standby, he's ready.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I had been.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I was close with a lot of the Clone Wars
people and the voice actors from that and when that
was like cut short and then it was like, hey,
there's this new thing and Disney owns it, and George
is going away and all of this stuff. I went
into Star Wars Rebels kind of with my arms crossed,
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like all right, all right, sure, Like it was a
reluctant watch.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
It was actually Sam Whitweer I was that.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
We were at a birthday party and he was like,
you have to watch it, and I was like, I'm
not going to watch it.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
And so I binge.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Watched Rebels I think in like a day leading up
to the season finale, and I was like, okay, all right,
I see what they're doing here, and it won me
over across like seasons two and three. So getting to
rewatch it now ten years later without kind of that
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bias that I had, of like I don't like new things.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Also just you know, I'm ten years older, right, so
I have a different appreciation for things.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
I'm like, wow, this.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Is is so good, and especially looking at it with
you know, at that time, there wasn't a ton of
Star Wars. Now there is a metric ton of Star Wars.
Star Wars has kind of become a commodity, and at
the time Rebels came out, it was still kind of
precious material and watching it again you it's almost in
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a way like I'm watching it for the first time
because I'm not watching it through like huff huff, huff,
what are they doing. I'm like, oh my god, this
is really good storytelling out the gate, which I don't
think I appreciate it when I first watched the episodes.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Thank you for your honesty.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I also think a lot of people, a lot of
people felt the same way you did, and I hope,
I hope that some of those people feel the same
way you do now. But I don't think you were
in the minority, you know, going into our show, because
I think we kind.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Of got that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
That's the most like common sentiment.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I feel like, yeah, it was like I didn't want
to watch it, and then I gave it a shot,
which makes me excited because if we just watched the
season that people are like, oh, I don't know, and
then they were like, like you just said you were,
like seasons two and three really really got me. I mean,
I'm looking forward to what we got in store.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But yeah, but even still going back, season one I
think is just as good as those other seasons. But
I think the bias like that people had going into
this new thing, like jaded people on what it was.
It was like you were looking for the things that
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weren't there or that didn't land, rather than appreciating the
fact that ninety percent of this did land right, Like
you're hung up on Space Aladdin and you're missing that
this is actually not a show about Space Aladdin. It's
a show about found family. And so that's been It's
been super cool. I'll also say I think I said
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on one of our first episodes that I was at
the the Press press conference and I found when I
was cleaning my office one of the goodie bag goodies
that they gave us, which is a pin that has
the Imperial logo on it and it says press on
it in order cool.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
So it's kind of cool.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I'm like, oh my gosh, look I just found this
this Like last week, I found like one of the
goodie bag goodies from when you know, I guess I
first was exposed to you guys or met I got
to step using that word I first kind of met
you guys. It's fun that it that this turned up
again this week.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Full circle moment. Wait, so did we meet at that event?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
The event you guys were, you know, answering questions and
we're up there with couse players and things like that,
but we didn't actually face to face. I was I
was covering the event for a different Star Wars podcast
from back then.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
How dare you JC Star Wars podcast? I'm kidding, that's me.
I'm I'm I mean, I always appreciate your perspective, but
it's I appreciate you saying that because it occurs to
me that like, that's that's not news to us, and
I'm so I'm delighted and relieved to hear that, like
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you know, you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
That things have changed for you inter feelings.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Towards our show, and I hope that is uh, you know,
I hope the majority of the people who did feel
the way you did feel And I don't blame them
for feeling that way because a lot of people had
a lot of skepticism towards It's like, wait a minute, Disney,
what are they going to do to you know, Star Wars?
And this Mandalorian is an artist, Like what's that about?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Like, I feel like there were a lot of Now
I still lot get that, we'll talk later.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
There were a lot of question marks and you know.
So I don't blame you for feeling that way, but
I'm very glad you don't anymore.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Well, I mean, to be fair, I stopped feeling that
way on like episode three of season two.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
It's not something I've discovered recently, but you know, I
mean that I think it was fun to go because
I haven't. I've watched every episode once and so this
is my second viewing of Rebels, and so it's cool.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
To look back and be like, what was my issue
with this? Why was I so hung up?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Because you because you feel felt and feel so passionately
about Star Wars that you had expectations and you had
your guard up because you were like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
And I don't want I mean, I think that's that's
the case for all. That's the human nature. You know.
It's like being initially skeptical of something.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
And if you look at I mean, look, I know
they say, don't ever read comments, section don't read reviews,
but like I go on every Tuesday morning and I
read all the Spotify and Apple podcast reviews and they're
always they're always awesome. It's always so cool to see
everybody's like this was my favorite episode. I can't believe
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when so and so does this, or so and so
does that, and so I think the fans have you know,
I think Hindsight is like, not twenty twenty. I feel
like it's twenty ten with rebels. I mean, it's the
show that I consistently see everybody be like, this is
my favorite Star Wars. So it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool,
and it's pretty cool that a decade later, after all
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of this stuff comes out, nobody is saying nobody is
jaded on the fact that it was animation either, right,
nobody's like, well, it's my favorite animated No, it's not qualified.
It's my favorite Star Wars.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean it's still the highest rated thing. But I mean,
once I heard that, I think it's so funny. But
that's across the board of every show that's been put
out by.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
My brain doesn't compute. That does not.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I've watched some of the other ones. Now I'm just
kidding us.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
That's why he's not kidding, But thank you, I am kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I haven't watched it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
He's not. That's going to be the best. That's going
to be our social clid that goes you're you're touching
on some really interesting stuff because you know, a lot
of comments we're getting because people know we're nearing the
end of season one, like I can't wait for season two,
I can't wait for season three. And it's like I
would even argue, I was like, yeah, season one may
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not have had the most action, maybe it wasn't the
most exciting, but I would say it's the most important.
It's just like when you build a house. It's not
exciting when you build the foundation, because you know, because
you're not seeing the full thing. But in order for
you to experience the gloryiness of that house, it's that
foundation in order for you to appreciate season two, season three,
and then when you gets to season four and everything
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really hits the fan, it's because and this is a
credit to the storytellers or is Dave Simon everybody behind
the scenes letting us earn it and investing in these characters.
Because my friend LaToya she recently her shows out Right
Now Duster that she created with J. J. Abrams. Her
whole thing is it's the character stupid. That's the third motto.
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So invest in these characters and you'll follow them anywhere
and that's essentially I believe why Rebels is the highest
rated because when you look at these characters, there's so
much layers to them, there's so much enrichment, there's so
much expansion, and you really feel like you're watching like
your best friends on this adventure in real time. Which
leads me to something that you know, but as you
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mentioned earlier, and it's been a common theme throughout our podcast,
which is the thema Chosen family, and I really think
that's the heartbeat of Star Wars Rebels as a whole.
And you hear Star Wars Rebels, it's like, yeah, rebelling
against the Empire. I think, like everyone, all the characters
have their own internal rebellion, whether it's against their families
or Haynan's like trying, you know, he's almost in denial
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of his greatness. He doesn't want to be the Jedi.
Even Hara is almost holding back a little bit. She
goes from captain to more of like a commander.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Ezra is this like kind of broken orphan who then
chooses this family. He like kind of chooses love, and
it's like beings this wounded warrior who then really leans
into her greatness as well, and zeb's the muscle. He
becomes the protector, you know, I think there's just and
they do that because of this beautiful dynamic of the
Ghost Crew family. And this is where again the Venn
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diagram becomes a circle, because I see that with the
three of you, and I saw when Steve came on.
I saw it when Ashley came on. So I would
love for you to talk about the chosen family theme
in the show, but also within yourselves and how that
grew in real time as you were in the booth
and as like it's growing even still now if you
watching the show.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Well, I remember we were given you know, among many things,
you know, this is your bed. We were showing these
awesome pictures of like this is the ship. It felt
like we were really getting into the world of the show.
But I printed out this first page of like the
show's description and one sentence on there has always been
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a touchstone for me. Well, there were two. One was
the idea of the spark of a rebellion, how it
takes you know, just sort of one collective decision to
create great change. That always just moved me so much.
But the final sentence in sort of the byline of
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the entire show was that chosen bonds can be stronger
than blood. And I never forgot that because, well, for
me personally, I'm an only child and my parents were
always working, and I felt like I had a million
different families that were like twenty seven different kids on
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my block, and I was I was sort of a
member of different families by choice, and sometimes I felt
closer to them than to my own family. Now, you
guys have like really strong family relationship. I'm not saying
my family isn't strong. It's just I felt more like
I was roommates with my parents or something. And so
I was, I'm a good fit for this model. And
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I noticed I just got back from London, and I
noticed like I talked to everybody. I find everybody fascinating,
and I scared a few people. But it is in
my nature to bring people together. It's in my nature
to investigate, communicate, you know, I think that brings me joy.
And so plugging myself into this particular unit, what a
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masterful casting that they would sense all these things about
each one of us and bring us together in a
way that so organically created such a fun time that's
not always the case on cartoons, we're sort of colleiues.
It's not I don't. I don't. I don't get to
know people as well as I have in this scenario.
But I never forgot that one sentence that chosen bonds
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are stronger than blood, and that just that was kind
of my touchstone throughout each season and every episode that
guided me. I don't know if you guys remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I have an interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Into it in that I remember, you're extaposing it to
every other job that you've done, and everything else had
been live action, where you you spend so much more
time in a shoot day. I'm going to say ninety
percent hanging out than working, which is the exact inverse
of what we're doing. And I remember after the first
season be like I was telling my friends like, I
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don't know if, like wherever any of us are going
to get that close, because you don't actually get to
hang like we're not actually like I didn't know too
much about everyone while like in the early episodes because
I wasn't there was no time to be like, oh
and like where are you from?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And who's your face?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like those didn't that didn't happen that way But in turn,
what happened I realized, is it our hang came through
in the work, Like that was where we because I
mean as actors, everyone gets into it because it is
a band of pirates, like you get to create with you.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
There are no rules.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's it's really fun to hang out what you don't
see on camera in the green room and different things.
Those are the most fun hangs in the world. And
I lived for that, and we weren't necessarily getting that
much and something I was just working. I was like, Oh,
it's funny. The cursory experience is what's happening on camera.
We're getting. Our big hang is between cut in action,
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you know what I mean. And with this we would
talk a little bit with Day, but he would be
explaining Star Wars to us. We weren't really hanging except
for like at lunch, you know what I mean. But
then it took on a new life where now we
have a podcast and we've gone to these conventions and
now we spent way too much time sitting on a
tarmac in airplane seats, exs each other and the exact
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opposite of anything that I was worried about at the beginning,
But I was bummed initially thinking, oh, we might not
actually get as close as you do with people on
various shoots when you're literally talking the entire day and
then they call action and you're doing that for two
minutes and it's out, you know what I mean. And
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so I feel like it really comes through in the
show in a way, kind of back to what you
were saying about why it works well, I think I
felt that with a New Hope, like they're dynamic, You've
felt rather than just like great plot line, you know,
the characters like, it's kind of like friends, Like I
can turn friends on it, and I just enjoy it
because I don't care what they're doing. They could sit
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in a coffee shop, which is what they're doing, and
hang out and you want to sit there and listen.
And I feel that Rebels has that more than a
lot of other shows. And a New Hope you just
want them to sit in the cockpit of the falcon
and talk and hang out like that is the cool
to me, the coolest part of Star Wars. I don't
actually don't need them doing all the other things. That's great,
and Rebels kind of has it too. Every time we
get back to the ghosts, you're like, and they're back
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together again. And I don't know if that touches on
the found family, but that is my sort of experience
with that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I love that. I didn't know you felt that way.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Can I ask a fanboy question that's kind of like
also a filmmaker more or less question, which is, I
know clone Wars are recorded together, but do you know
what the source like who decided, No, we're gonna cast
people who are in LA, We're gonna put them in
a room together, We're gonna make this.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Do you know what the genesis of that was?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Versus like Vanessa you've talked about like, oh, most cartoons
you go in and it's like do five line readings
and it's like the performance is built in editing, like
building off of what Taylor just said. Your guys, it
feels like Rebels was recorded in a way that was
somewhere between live action and animation. Do you know why, Like,
(26:12):
what was the thought process behind that? Well, at that time,
that was the norm.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
I mean it well, I mean I did Guardians of
the Galaxy at the time, and I think did we
do our show on Thursdays or Tuesdays? I think Guardians
of the Galaxy was Tuesday, and the full cast would
get together every Tuesday from two to six. And I
think before the pandemic that was quite normal. When I
did a Spectacular Spider Man, we all got together at
(26:39):
the same time. When I did Young Justice, totally.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
All the same.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Really yeah, And so what is unusual is and it
was only video games that would do Okay, you're by yourself. Yeah,
you're in the Jedi Council, but say these lines three
in a row, say this line three in a row.
All right, moving on, like, how in the world is
this ever gonna cut together and mean anything? And then
I'll see clips on YouTube of me in a Jedi
(27:05):
council with Jennifer Hale going who knew? I don't know
how this happened, but it's as if we were together,
but that I don't know that. The format was so
sort of unique and oh who decided that. I think
that was pretty much the norm up until that point.
(27:26):
When I guessed it on Scooby Doo, everyone was there,
and that was back in like, you know, early two thousands.
You know, Casey Cason was there, like the whole crew, Batman,
Kevin Conry was I walked in the throw Oh my god,
I'm gonna have a stroke. I was like, wait a minute,
what's going on. I was Lipstick Lady number coral, Lipstick
Lady number two. Thank you, thank you very much. But
(27:52):
so I don't know that it was quite as unusual today,
it's almost unheard of. I book cartoons and I'm the
only one who goes to the studio and everyone else
is on zoom and I'm like, guys, what are we doing?
So I don't in my experience, it wasn't necessarily unique.
But I do think that the human beings chosen in
what is a common construct, we're able to bond through
(28:15):
their work in a way that I've done many cartoons
where that is absolutely not the case.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
That's so interesting because that has not been my experience.
And granted you have a lot more experience in voiceover
world than I do, but I almost I mean, I
worked on Young Justice, and every time I went in,
it would be like a couple people from the cast
that you had the most dialogue with. But it wasn't
like the full cast I worked on, you know, like
(28:43):
the Simpsons. I was by myself, Robot Chicken, I was
by myself you just go in, you do your lines,
you give them choices, and then you're out of there
and you have no idea like who is even else?
Who else is even in the scene.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
That's normal for guesting. That's normal for guesting. That that
happens a lot if you're not in the core cast.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But our guest stars are with us.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Our guest stars were with us, Yeah, they were, so
that that is unusual.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
But the thing is, oftentimes as the shows get larger.
And also, I'm not sure when your Young Justice was
because we had to finish that in the Pandemic. It
might have been influenced by that. I think I remember
you driving there. Is that the long you had to
choke and dress ill.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
I think I've told a story on this podcast already, right,
I had to. I was my character lives underwater and
she's like she's she's like underwater, And I was like,
how do I make How do I do that? And
I was like, I know, I'll call Vanessa Marshall and
Steve Blue and they both I was like, please help,
(29:44):
I don't know how to do this, and they both
said the exact same thing, because they are experts in
this field, and they were like you take a sip
of water out of a water bottle and you gargle
as you're saying your lines.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And I was like, that's genius.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And everyone was very duly impressed, and I I thank
you for your advice.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Have you been a series regular? Yeah, I've worked that
you were alone?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
It was like, no, No, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I worked on a show called Spirit Writing Free.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It's a great kid show.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
I highly recommend, not just because I'm on it, because
I think it's great, but anyway, yeah, we we record it,
I guess. And this is not to call out this
other show that I was on, but yes, we recorded
more so as a cast. It just didn't It's just
didn't feel the same. So to your point, it was
not just that we were together. It was that we
(30:40):
the five of us were together and our producers and
our writers, and it was like maybe just that was
so synergistic that it made the experience feel different.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I mean, that's almost cooler, right, Oh, everybody does it
used to do it this way. But we were a
group within a group. You know, we were special. We
connected in a way that not everybody does. I mean,
that's even cooler to me.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I mean, I love my spectacular Spider Man cast. I
have not had dinner with any of them, right, I
don't think I could. I don't know what I'd have
to do to accomplish that. Like, I just don't know
that anyone. And there are a lot of Marvel fans,
like we're total Marvel nerds. And you know, Josh Keaton
is forever my perpetual Peter Parker till the day I die,
(31:27):
Like he's the one in my view i'd love. I
just think he's incredible and I can't get him to
return a text to similar No, no, if you know,
I'm not criticizing, I'm just saying, like, you can be
that close. I played Mary Jane, Sure please, Like you know,
I told him face it Tiger and all that and
and no matter how lovely that experience was and it was,
(31:49):
not much remains from it. And I don't know why.
And I don't think it's personal. I think you know,
he has kids, he has a life, and if you
asked him, he'd say, oh, I love Vanessa. It's not
it's not like that. But we have stayed connected in
a way that is remarkable to me. I mean, the
Guardians of the Galaxy was happening at the same time.
(32:09):
I'm friends with several of those people, but we don't.
We don't.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
It's just not like this, So not doing a weekly
podcast with them ten years later.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, No, the reception helps.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The reception helps the fact that, like people wanted to
meet us at conventions and that like that we've had
those interactions, and that we've done interviews together and that
like that all definitely definitely I think helps keep us.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Close as well.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I agree as you were talking Taylor about that that
like the way we got close was through the work,
because we weren't like hanging out on set between takes,
you know, as you do with on camera work. I
was thinking, like, well, we're lucky because because what we
were doing was Star Wars, and Star Wars has such
(32:58):
a life and such like literally global appeal, and so
we have this kind of incredible opportunity to even though
our show has been off the air for years, that
we get to like go out and travel and meet
fans and interact with those people, but then we also
get to like hang out with each other. That's so
(33:20):
special and I feel like I can I can list
so many projects on camera projects that I've been a
part of, and I'm sort of always kind of end
up as like the social director of any project on
because it's kind of like Taylor, I feel like you
would agree with this. It's kind of like summer camp.
You go shoot a film, everyone's on location, a lot
of you are staying in the same place, so it's
(33:43):
like it's.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's afraid to send the first text, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
And then it's like, guys, we're going to this you know,
let's go to dinner and we're going to this bar afterwards,
and then it all kind of it's like it's like
summer camp, and then you're also just making a movie
at the same time. But and I've had wonderful experiences,
made great friends, and if I maybe we text or
maybe we see each other sporadically, but it's not the same,
(34:09):
and we just have this sort of very special situation
where we like get to keep doing it long after
our show has ended, and I don't know, I'm so
grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, it goes beyond logic, you know, and like you
know it when you see it, and you hope that
that's going to be the experience every time you go in.
But then when it hits like with the three of you,
and then you know with the Rebels cast in general,
it's just like I see it. It's like there's something
synergistic about it. You can't explain it. You can't break
it down with science. You can have every Darwinistic like anthropological,
(34:46):
whatever study you can do, you're not going to find
the defended demand. You just know that this is what
it is. And what's really special about it is you
all know it's special and you're you're you're embracing it.
You're leaning into it, just like your characters lean into
what they need to lean into in the show. There's
a question I want to ask the three of you
because I've always kind of wondered this and I don't
(35:08):
know how timelines always work on animated shows, and I
don't know if it's the same TV shows, But so
if you can take me back to recording this season
one finale, did you know there was going to be
a season two?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And or?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And also like how did you feel getting that season
one to can? Like do you remember what was going
through your mind as you had done this thing? Because
had you seen episodes at that point, Like were you
seen episodes as you were recording season one or was
it the season was done and then you saw it.
I've always wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's what I was going to say, did stuff had
it come out yet?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Because I remember they were pretty you remember they were
pretty like sure about multiple seasons. Like I remember being like,
whenever you finish anything, I've been on enough canceled things.
Now I was like, well, maybe i'll see you guys again,
And Dave was pretty chill about like, as long as
everyone doesn't just come out and burn the show live,
We're okay, right, But I don't remember if stuff had
(36:04):
come out yet.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
No, Well, Vanessa, you tell me if I'm wrong. But
I feel confident, pretty confident that we had finished recording
long before we started doing press, before we ever aired.
We season one was in the can, so then we
just waited, you know, like with baited breath for the
(36:27):
show to actually premiere. And then that's when we started
doing press. We went to our first San Diego comic con.
We did this massive.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I was like, yeah, we're going to say.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, and we were like, wait, what are all these
people doing at this panel? They've not seen one second
of our show? And Yeah, that was my I know
I've said this before on the podcast, but that was
my first inkling of what was to come because I
was like, Oh, they're so nice. They haven't even seen
the show and they're here and they're excited. How nice
(36:57):
of that. That was my first sort of introduction to
Star Wars fans and just how I mean. I always
say Star Wars fans are the best in the world,
bar none. But anyway, so yeah, I think we were
fully done with season one, and I think we knew
that we were going to start a season two. I
(37:19):
don't remember when we started recording. Surely it was after Vanessa.
Was it after we had already aired?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I feel like we started in the Did we start
in May of twenty thirteen?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Anyway, and I couldn't even tell you the year much
less than a month.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Well, I seem to feel I don't know, for some reason,
I feel like we took a couple months off, like
summer months, and that's when we did you know, we
finished season one. I think we took some time off.
There was never a question. I mean, they had booked
us well in advance for a lot of things, and
I don't remember a ton of time between season one
(38:05):
and season two. I agree, but there was never a
question that there would that we would continue, because I
think initially when we all sat down, if I'm not mistaken,
I think there was like a ten year plan for
the saga in general.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It ended with a pot of rebellions.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Wait really, yeah, but I'm talking about all the content
that came out this, that, the film, and these than that,
and we were a part of that, but we were
not too. We weren't going to exist in the full
ten year plan. We were only maybe like four to
five years of that. That was my understanding. I thought
(38:47):
we were going five seasons. I somehow remember that we
were going to try for five, so that I remember
feeling when we were told that four was.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
The last, I was like, what, Yeah, I was totally
shocked by that. I did not.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
I think we were all very very taken by surprise,
now in the same way Clone Wars was, obviously, but
in our own we expected to continue.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I was easy to be convinceive because I remember Dave
saying like he was like, no, we were always going
to do this, We always.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, So when he said that I was like, oh, yeah,
I guess so well.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
I don't think we were like old or entitled to it,
but I think everyone was sort of figuring out their
grand ten year plan that dealt with content in books,
in movies, in everything. And I mean, I hope I'm
not telling tales out of school to you know, talk
about sort of what they were kind of trying to
sketch out for themselves. But I don't think anywhere in
(39:41):
there was like, well we ever get a season two?
That was never I think as the seasons mounted, it
was sort of like, I'm not sure how much longer
this is going to go on, and you know, we'll
just see how this goes in the context of all
these other things that they're needing to, other stories that
need to be told. And I mean, I don't I
(40:02):
could be wrong, but like if where Rebels ended, it
sort of segued into the theatrical content that they wanted.
So it just sort of we served our purpose within
the narrative for that timeframe. And so maybe they just
figured out a way to finish the story. I don't know,
but I don't remember it being a shock or you know,
(40:28):
I thought we were going to do five seasons for
some reason. But I don't know where I got that.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
No, that's in my brain too vaguely, so I don't know.
Some talk of that yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Either either which way, Uh you know, I was, I mean,
of course, I mean we're not at that season, but
like for Canaan to no longer exist, I was just like,
wait a minute, what is happening. Yeah, there were just
there were a lot of turns. But I mean, we'll
get there when we get there. But but at this point,
it was so much love and enthusiasm and like, I
(41:00):
mean again, I'm the people who are listening can't see.
I've got a Sabine helmet hanging here in my streaming
room that the Mandalorian Merks gave us, and there are
ugly cry photos to demonstrate how I felt about that
at the time. But you know, these all these moments
are collected here in my home and I will cherish
(41:20):
them always, so it kind of lives on in that sense.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I love that. Thank you all so much. I know
is a big ask to have you go into your
own brain archives like ten eleven years, but you know,
the stuff that stuck with you that you shared, now
that's very valuable. So my follow up to that because
looking back and rewatching the show with you all and
then hearing your insights, I'm just like, Wow, the writing
is incredible in the show. Like these scripts. I'll put
these scripts up against any script out there. I don't
(41:48):
care who the writer is, Like, these scripts can go
toe to toe with any script out there. I have
to imagine throughout the course of recording season one, just
like viewers got attached to your characters, I have to
imagine you've got to test your character too, and that
had to have added to the excitement of oh man,
like season two, this is like I can't wait to
see where we go because I feel one of one
(42:09):
with my character now. And you couple that with the
enthusiasm you saw at San Diego Comic Con. I'm sure
that only added to that. So if there's any insight
you can give us into that, I'd love to hear
it because I get attached watching it and I got
reattached rewatching it. I love Trita again. If you can
dig into the archives a ten eleven years, I love
to hear it.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
There's for sure, and ownership like yeah, I mean because
we and Dave and the whole team was really good
about crafting it with us and allowing us to collaborate.
I mean, I remember being like, wait signon Kimberg's writing
on an animated show, what is going on here?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
It didn't make any sense because I had known some
of the other things that he had done and he's incredible,
and to that, I think the writing was really really good.
But I think that also speaks to the thing you're
talking about. With other shows, especially animated shows, a lot
of times you're coming in, you're playing a pre existing
game character, you know what I mean, which makes sense
that's animated, it is something that many other people have played,
or it's an animal that we already have a connotation of.
(43:10):
We've all seen a bear that you know what I mean.
There's certain things that you're shooting up at. Whereas this
I remember, I mean, there was nothing that I was
amy at except for like, well, we're going to do
our thing here and create a character. And to what
I was saying earlier, I've been on notugh things that
are canceled after a season or two. That just the
idea that we were going to develop something and have
(43:31):
different arcs, and you were going to see so many
different sides of the same person was so special and
unique because if we just saw season one Ezra, for example,
salpsistically speaking, like, it's not the same. There's so much
more of the iceberg that's underwater that you need to
keep going. And I think that happens with a lot
(43:52):
of characters out there, that we don't see everything that
was necessarily planned for them, just because maybe an audience
and respond to it. Whatever it was with this, I
don't know like it there is this sort of symbiotic thing.
And also the fact that it was animated. I think
I wanted more of me in it than when it's
on camera. I'm kind of doing the opposite. I want
(44:14):
less of me because I see me there. It's a
weird sort of philosophical thing. I haven't really thought of
as much, but I know I was doing that because
you're trying to pull yourself away when you're just seeing
yourself on camera. But this I was like, no, I
need to imprint more because I mean, who knows what's
going to show up there? And so yeah, I mean
I feel so closely bonded. It's like one and the same.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
I guess.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
I felt such a kinship with Sabine like right away,
also just because she's the coolest and so I felt
like I want to be her. You know, she's aspirational
and inspirational, and so I like, yeah, like ownership can
(44:58):
sound like what you mean in the sense that like
that she she kind of we like developed together right
like she and And also I remember Dave telling me
that he Sabine was the least fleshed out character when
like when we joined that he hadn't quite like figured
(45:21):
her out or sort of fleshed out her story as much,
and so we kind of got to do that together.
He allowed me to do that with him, which was
such an honor. But also I think just personally speaking,
season one, a lot of that was me like not
knowing what I was doing and hoping that no one
was on to me that I was an on camera
(45:43):
actor that didn't really know how to do this. Taylor,
I feel like you and I have had many conversations
about that. I was just basically trying to like not
get found out and fired, and so it was I
think going into season two, I'm sure felt like a
relief because I had felt so so bonded with my
character from the jump, but also there was this like
(46:06):
kind of imposter syndrome, you know, at the beginning of
the show, because you know, you walk you I was
gonna say, walk on the set, walk into the sound
booth with the likes of Vanessa Marshall and Steve Bloom
and Freddie and then you've got like guest stars.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
You and I were in the same boat. We're but
like do they know, like do they are they onto us?
Speaker 7 (46:32):
And honestly not that I say very many nice things
about Taylor when he can hear me, but it was
so kind of a relief or just a comfort to
sort of be in this crazy situation with Taylor because
we have like these prolific, insanely talented voiceover kings and
(46:54):
queens and then we're.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Both like what is the right? How do we is this?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
You know?
Speaker 7 (47:00):
And so it was nice to kind of have a
have a buffer in Taylor. But that's the That's the
only nice thing I'm going to say for this. I'll
take I will find something else nice to say about
you later.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Maybe maybe a cliffhanger. Vanessa, how about you in terms
of just growing with your character and all that good stuff.
Speaker 9 (47:20):
Well, it's hilarious to me that you guys thought you
were going to get fired because you were Oh my,
that is insane to me, because you were both so
impeccably good at this and I can remember seeing being
you know, animated and hearing your voice and it just
where it landed with the art was just it was
so it was just perfect, like no one would.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Ever fire you ever, like never thank you that that.
I don't know. I just yeah, I've told you. I
felt very much a kinship with the cast, and that
I am built to, you know, sort of walk into
situations like that. Perhaps as an only child, I have
(48:03):
a number of tribes that I belonged to in a
certain way, and this was like yet another very special
one that of course was in alignment with my Star
Wars fandom. And you know, my heart just cracked open
and I felt my purpose. I felt useful, I felt stimulated.
I felt just overjoyed to be in the room and
(48:23):
a part of great storytelling. And that's all I ever
wanted to do with my life. So I felt very
at home. Finally at home.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I love that so much. And what a great way
to wrap up are one of two of our season
one recap of Star Wars Rebels. And look, there's so
much more we can uncover, and I feel like we're
discovering this each and every week, which we're just putting
this out there everybody. We want to eventually do live shows.
We want to be there like boots on the ground
with you all. So look, if there's stuff we don't
get to on the podcast, guess what we'll get to
(48:52):
it in the live shows where you can just ask
us face to face all these things. So there's more
to uncover and we will uncover it. But that's going
to wrap up Part one of two of our season
one recap of Star Wars Rebels. We have part two
coming up next week with a very special guest joined us.
You could say from the high ground, that's all I'm
gonna say. Who knows who it's going to be. You
(49:14):
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That's the most like common sentiment.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I feel like, yeah, it's like I didn't want to
watch it, and then I gave it a shot, which
makes me excited because if we just watched the season
that people are like, oh, I don't know, and then
they were like, season's two and three really really got me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I mean, I'm looking forward to what we got in store.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome, Welcome to Potter Rebellion, folks. Johny Brody here, your
friendly neighborhood moderator for this fine podcast. Now, before we
dive into season two of Star Wars Rebels, we wanted
to just take some time to reflect back on season
one as a whole, you know, go over some stuff
we may have missed, share some more stories that the
cast may have, maybe some more trivia from JC, you know,
all that good stuff. And since Star Wars Rebels started
(00:50):
out as a two parter, we felt it was fitting
that our season one recap on Potter Rebellion being two
parts as well. So today is part one of two.
And of course we got the heroes behind the Ghosts
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Car Wow, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
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And that's not all everybody, And you know the saying, ohs, adventure,
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Hello, Hello, you get to listen to me all episode,
not just at the end.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
We're here for the JC coup of the Potter Rebellion.
So if you want to take over, by all means,
my friend you, I hope you.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wrote an intro for yourself as well, because I'm realizing
now we need to intro you. But I don't have
anything nearly as good as what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You know what, maybe we can throw that to the
fans because we've seen a lot of creativity. You've seen
the animation that came out, and people are getting a
fan art and cosplay. So if anyone wants to write
an intro for myself, by all means, you know our email.
If you don't, it's Pottervillin Podcasts at gmail dot com.
Send it out and we'll read it on the show.
I think that could be fun.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
That would be great. I love that.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So Season one of Star Wars Rebels is in the books.
We've we made it. We're here. Also, how awesome was
Ashley ex Stein sticking around for two parts? How cool was.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
That I could listen to her talk about Steph indefinitely?
She was just so like, what a wealth of knowledge
and just insight, and she's just also just like a
really genuinely kind hearted person in real life. So if
anyone wants any tea on Ashley X sign, I don't
have any for you because she is genuinely the person
that you see is the person she is, like I
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feel like behind closed doors, she's just a really great,
great person and with a big heart.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
I was digging the raspy Ahsoka voice that she had
from being at the convention all week, and uh, I
was like, man, Ahsoka's brought some brought some history to
the podcast today. She's seen some stuff. I think Ashley
addressed it like part way through, but I was I
(03:46):
was into that. But I like, you know, Stevie Nix
and singers like that. I like that recipe, the respe voice.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It was like Sultriyah Sooka.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh, I like the Sultriyahsoka that Actually we have a
new merchandise idea is so good coming to her universe
soon hopefully. So how's feel I guess hit every demographic?
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
How's everybody feeling with? You know, I know, like reliving?
Maybe I feel like and tell me if I'm wrong?
Watch rewatching the show? Did it unlock some memories that
you know? Some dormant memories. He realized, Oh my god,
Like it's like I think the saying now is like
a key memory was unlocked. Did that really happen for
the three of you as you were rewatching it?
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Yes, because I know we've talked about this at length
on this podcast, but like you know, it's not like Taylor,
Vanessa and I haven't seen each other since we stopped,
you know, since we finished recording the show. We see
each other all the time, which is wonderful. We just
had dinner together a couple of.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Deep Bradley Baker was in town, so we had had dinner,
which we do thanks to Vanessa being like, guys, we're
going to dinner and we're like, cool, yes, we're going
to dinner. So it's like we've been hanging out ever since,
and I've kind of I had forgotten like the specifics
of the show. And so this has been so wonderful because,
(05:15):
as I've said before, I haven't seen it since it aired.
So getting to like actually go back and be like, oh,
this is what we did, this is why we're friends now,
this is the thing that you know, the catalyst.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So it's been.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
So it's been really nice because I had kind of
like that, had the specifics taken a back seat in
my mind, just because we've gone on with life and
we're all working on different projects and we're still friends, thankfully,
and we see each other and we see each other
at cons which is great, so we travel together, so
all that is wonderful. But I had kind of forgotten
like the whole, like the crux of it, which is
(05:53):
the show. And so it's been really nice to go
back and as it's been a wonderful reminder.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I think, and I had said this previously that
you know, we would get the scripts, we wouldn't have
any idea what they would ever look like, prepare at
least three options, and then be directed directed into eight
other options, and then we have no idea what's going
to coalesce on the other end of it. And some
of the episodes we watched in real time with everyone
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as they aired, some we did not, some we have
zero recollection of ever seeing, which was hilarious as well.
But to have the entire four seasons and sort of
the full sense of the journey to then go back
and remember how naive we were in a way as
to what could befall this group of you know, this
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this chosen family. It was just really powerful and very moving,
and it almost feels like it was just lightning in
a bottle that of course gave birth to friendships that
you know, they're indelible bonds that will probably be having
dinners together forever and ever and sort of reminiscing about things.
But it's a genuine affection. And I mean, I'll speak
(07:09):
for myself. I don't know, Taylor, if you're questioning things, no,
but but I have so much more respect for everyone
involved when I see your work now. You know, I've
gotten to know you guys so much better that I
just delight in certain choices that you made at the time.
(07:30):
Oh my gosh, that's just amazing, Like how Sabine sort
of finds her power as the season goes along, and
you know, the way the two of you would interact
with each other in you know, various scenes and stuff
like that. Like it didn't strike me how wonderful that
was back then because we were just sort of doing
our job. But I was able to sort of delight
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in remembering it and also re experiencing it. So I
feel very fortunate to have been a part of it,
and just as the story gets deeper and richer, particularly
with the addition of Ashley, for me as a Star
Wars fan, et cetera, it just it just never ends.
(08:11):
I can't believe it just gets better and better. So, yeah,
this has been a really enriching experience for me personally.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I love that I agree entirely with what Vanessa saying,
Like I think I took it for granted a little
bit or a lot bit, Like I was like, yeah,
it's a job, this is what we do, and looking
back at it is really sweet, and looking back at it,
I don't look back at things too often. I feel like,
and so it's this is like forced retrospection. I guess
(08:42):
like it's and I'm not forced in a negative way,
Like it's really sweet what we're doing, but I thought.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You were making a Star Wars pun I was like,
I'm well done, my friend. Or retro Yeah, I mean now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Not just happening naturally, but it's been like incredible to
look back at like who we were as well, because
some choices just come out of like an organic place
of where you're at, and we change and grow so
much in the world changes and becomes something new and
that has an effect on us, and it's it's really
fun to even though I hadn't seen every episode, I
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experienced it like we did it, and I can look
back and remember where we were all at at that time,
and it's it's really nice to go back to a
time when sometimes I think it was better.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I feel topic Jason, you know, you are wealth and
knowledge each and every week on the show, and you
know when it comes to Star Wars trivia, like there's
there's no you know, untapped territory, but for you, like
what I feel like this layered your appreciation for the
Star Wars universe and to know these three and just
kind of going through the rewatch with us, would would
I be correct? And assuming that.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent was wild is exposing myself here
a little bit, but going into it, Yeah, it's not
quite like this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
This is this is where the podcast takes a turn.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Called Steve Bloom, here we go.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He's ready, he's.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
On standby, he's ready.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
I had been.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I was close with a lot of the Clone Wars
people and the voice actors from that and when that
was like cut short and then it was like, hey,
there's this new thing and Disney owns it, and George
is going away and all of this stuff. I went
into Star Wars Rebels kind of with my arms crossed,
(10:41):
like all right, all right, sure, Like it was a
reluctant watch.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
It was actually Sam Whitweer I was that.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
We were at a birthday party and he was like,
you have to watch it, and I was like, I'm
not going to watch it.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
And so I binge.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Watched Rebels I think in like a day leading up
to the season finale, and I was like, okay, all right,
I see what they're doing here, and it won me
over across like seasons two and three. So getting to
rewatch it now ten years later without kind of that
(11:14):
bias that I had, of like I don't like new things.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Also just you know, I'm ten years older, right, so
I have a different appreciation for things.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
I'm like, wow, this.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Is is so good, and especially looking at it with
you know, at that time, there wasn't a ton of
Star Wars. Now there is a metric ton of Star Wars.
Star Wars has kind of become a commodity, and at
the time Rebels came out, it was still kind of
precious material and watching it again you it's almost in
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a way like I'm watching it for the first time
because I'm not watching it through like huff huff, huff,
what are they doing. I'm like, oh my god, this
is really good storytelling out the gate, which I don't
think I appreciate it when I first watched the episodes.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Thank you for your honesty.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I also think a lot of people, a lot of
people felt the same way you did, and I hope,
I hope that some of those people feel the same
way you do now. But I don't think you were
in the minority, you know, going into our show, because
I think we kind.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Of got that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
That's the most like common sentiment.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I feel like, yeah, it was like I didn't want
to watch it, and then I gave it a shot,
which makes me excited because if we just watched the
season that people are like, oh, I don't know, and
then they were like, like you just said you were,
like seasons two and three really really got me. I mean,
I'm looking forward to what we got in store.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But yeah, but even still going back, season one I
think is just as good as those other seasons. But
I think the bias like that people had going into
this new thing, like jaded people on what it was.
It was like you were looking for the things that
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weren't there or that didn't land, rather than appreciating the
fact that ninety percent of this did land right, Like
you're hung up on Space Aladdin and you're missing that
this is actually not a show about Space Aladdin. It's
a show about found family. And so that's been It's
been super cool. I'll also say I think I said
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on one of our first episodes that I was at
the the Press press conference and I found when I
was cleaning my office one of the goodie bag goodies
that they gave us, which is a pin that has
the Imperial logo on it and it says press on
it in order cool.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
So it's kind of cool.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I'm like, oh my gosh, look I just found this
this Like last week, I found like one of the
goodie bag goodies from when you know, I guess I
first was exposed to you guys or met I got
to step using that word I first kind of met
you guys. It's fun that it that this turned up
again this week.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Full circle moment. Wait, so did we meet at that event?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
The event you guys were, you know, answering questions and
we're up there with couse players and things like that,
but we didn't actually face to face. I was I
was covering the event for a different Star Wars podcast
from back then.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
How dare you JC Star Wars podcast? I'm kidding, that's me.
I'm I'm I mean, I always appreciate your perspective, but
it's I appreciate you saying that because it occurs to
me that like, that's that's not news to us, and
I'm so I'm delighted and relieved to hear that, like
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you know, you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
That things have changed for you inter feelings.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Towards our show, and I hope that is uh, you know,
I hope the majority of the people who did feel
the way you did feel And I don't blame them
for feeling that way because a lot of people had
a lot of skepticism towards It's like, wait a minute, Disney,
what are they going to do to you know, Star Wars?
And this Mandalorian is an artist, Like what's that about?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Like, I feel like there were a lot of Now
I still lot get that, we'll talk later.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
There were a lot of question marks and you know.
So I don't blame you for feeling that way, but
I'm very glad you don't anymore.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Well, I mean, to be fair, I stopped feeling that
way on like episode three of season two.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
It's not something I've discovered recently, but you know, I
mean that I think it was fun to go because
I haven't. I've watched every episode once and so this
is my second viewing of Rebels, and so it's cool.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
To look back and be like, what was my issue
with this? Why was I so hung up?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Because you because you feel felt and feel so passionately
about Star Wars that you had expectations and you had
your guard up because you were like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
And I don't want I mean, I think that's that's
the case for all. That's the human nature. You know.
It's like being initially skeptical of something.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
And if you look at I mean, look, I know
they say, don't ever read comments, section don't read reviews,
but like I go on every Tuesday morning and I
read all the Spotify and Apple podcast reviews and they're
always they're always awesome. It's always so cool to see
everybody's like this was my favorite episode. I can't believe
(16:27):
when so and so does this, or so and so
does that, and so I think the fans have you know,
I think Hindsight is like, not twenty twenty. I feel
like it's twenty ten with rebels. I mean, it's the
show that I consistently see everybody be like, this is
my favorite Star Wars. So it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool,
and it's pretty cool that a decade later, after all
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of this stuff comes out, nobody is saying nobody is
jaded on the fact that it was animation either, right,
nobody's like, well, it's my favorite animated No, it's not qualified.
It's my favorite Star Wars.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean it's still the highest rated thing. But I mean,
once I heard that, I think it's so funny. But
that's across the board of every show that's been put
out by.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
My brain doesn't compute. That does not.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I've watched some of the other ones. Now I'm just
kidding us.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
That's why he's not kidding, But thank you, I am kidding.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I haven't watched it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
He's not. That's going to be the best. That's going
to be our social clid that goes you're you're touching
on some really interesting stuff because you know, a lot
of comments we're getting because people know we're nearing the
end of season one, like I can't wait for season two,
I can't wait for season three. And it's like I
would even argue, I was like, yeah, season one may
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not have had the most action, maybe it wasn't the
most exciting, but I would say it's the most important.
It's just like when you build a house. It's not
exciting when you build the foundation, because you know, because
you're not seeing the full thing. But in order for
you to experience the gloryiness of that house, it's that
foundation in order for you to appreciate season two, season three,
and then when you gets to season four and everything
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really hits the fan, it's because and this is a
credit to the storytellers or is Dave Simon everybody behind
the scenes letting us earn it and investing in these characters.
Because my friend LaToya she recently her shows out Right
Now Duster that she created with J. J. Abrams. Her
whole thing is it's the character stupid. That's the third motto.
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So invest in these characters and you'll follow them anywhere
and that's essentially I believe why Rebels is the highest
rated because when you look at these characters, there's so
much layers to them, there's so much enrichment, there's so
much expansion, and you really feel like you're watching like
your best friends on this adventure in real time. Which
leads me to something that you know, but as you
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mentioned earlier, and it's been a common theme throughout our podcast,
which is the thema Chosen family, and I really think
that's the heartbeat of Star Wars Rebels as a whole.
And you hear Star Wars Rebels, it's like, yeah, rebelling
against the Empire. I think, like everyone, all the characters
have their own internal rebellion, whether it's against their families
or Haynan's like trying, you know, he's almost in denial
(19:17):
of his greatness. He doesn't want to be the Jedi.
Even Hara is almost holding back a little bit. She
goes from captain to more of like a commander.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Ezra is this like kind of broken orphan who then
chooses this family. He like kind of chooses love, and
it's like beings this wounded warrior who then really leans
into her greatness as well, and zeb's the muscle. He
becomes the protector, you know, I think there's just and
they do that because of this beautiful dynamic of the
Ghost Crew family. And this is where again the Venn
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diagram becomes a circle, because I see that with the
three of you, and I saw when Steve came on.
I saw it when Ashley came on. So I would
love for you to talk about the chosen family theme
in the show, but also within yourselves and how that
grew in real time as you were in the booth
and as like it's growing even still now if you
watching the show.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Well, I remember we were given you know, among many things,
you know, this is your bed. We were showing these
awesome pictures of like this is the ship. It felt
like we were really getting into the world of the show.
But I printed out this first page of like the
show's description and one sentence on there has always been
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a touchstone for me. Well, there were two. One was
the idea of the spark of a rebellion, how it
takes you know, just sort of one collective decision to
create great change. That always just moved me so much.
But the final sentence in sort of the byline of
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the entire show was that chosen bonds can be stronger
than blood. And I never forgot that because, well, for
me personally, I'm an only child and my parents were
always working, and I felt like I had a million
different families that were like twenty seven different kids on
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my block, and I was I was sort of a
member of different families by choice, and sometimes I felt
closer to them than to my own family. Now, you
guys have like really strong family relationship. I'm not saying
my family isn't strong. It's just I felt more like
I was roommates with my parents or something. And so
I was, I'm a good fit for this model. And
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I noticed I just got back from London, and I
noticed like I talked to everybody. I find everybody fascinating,
and I scared a few people. But it is in
my nature to bring people together. It's in my nature
to investigate, communicate, you know, I think that brings me joy.
And so plugging myself into this particular unit, what a
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masterful casting that they would sense all these things about
each one of us and bring us together in a
way that so organically created such a fun time that's
not always the case on cartoons, we're sort of colleiues.
It's not I don't. I don't. I don't get to
know people as well as I have in this scenario.
But I never forgot that one sentence that chosen bonds
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are stronger than blood, and that just that was kind
of my touchstone throughout each season and every episode that
guided me. I don't know if you guys remember that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I have an interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Into it in that I remember, you're extaposing it to
every other job that you've done, and everything else had
been live action, where you you spend so much more
time in a shoot day. I'm going to say ninety
percent hanging out than working, which is the exact inverse
of what we're doing. And I remember after the first
season be like I was telling my friends like, I
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don't know if, like wherever any of us are going
to get that close, because you don't actually get to
hang like we're not actually like I didn't know too
much about everyone while like in the early episodes because
I wasn't there was no time to be like, oh
and like where are you from?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And who's your face?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like those didn't that didn't happen that way But in turn,
what happened I realized, is it our hang came through
in the work, Like that was where we because I
mean as actors, everyone gets into it because it is
a band of pirates, like you get to create with you.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
There are no rules.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's it's really fun to hang out what you don't
see on camera in the green room and different things.
Those are the most fun hangs in the world. And
I lived for that, and we weren't necessarily getting that
much and something I was just working. I was like, Oh,
it's funny. The cursory experience is what's happening on camera.
We're getting. Our big hang is between cut in action,
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you know what I mean. And with this we would
talk a little bit with Day, but he would be
explaining Star Wars to us. We weren't really hanging except
for like at lunch, you know what I mean. But
then it took on a new life where now we
have a podcast and we've gone to these conventions and
now we spent way too much time sitting on a
tarmac in airplane seats, exs each other and the exact
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opposite of anything that I was worried about at the beginning,
But I was bummed initially thinking, oh, we might not
actually get as close as you do with people on
various shoots when you're literally talking the entire day and
then they call action and you're doing that for two
minutes and it's out, you know what I mean. And
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so I feel like it really comes through in the
show in a way, kind of back to what you
were saying about why it works well, I think I
felt that with a New Hope, like they're dynamic, You've
felt rather than just like great plot line, you know,
the characters like, it's kind of like friends, Like I
can turn friends on it, and I just enjoy it
because I don't care what they're doing. They could sit
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in a coffee shop, which is what they're doing, and
hang out and you want to sit there and listen.
And I feel that Rebels has that more than a
lot of other shows. And a New Hope you just
want them to sit in the cockpit of the falcon
and talk and hang out like that is the cool
to me, the coolest part of Star Wars. I don't
actually don't need them doing all the other things. That's great,
and Rebels kind of has it too. Every time we
get back to the ghosts, you're like, and they're back
(25:15):
together again. And I don't know if that touches on
the found family, but that is my sort of experience
with that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I love that. I didn't know you felt that way.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Can I ask a fanboy question that's kind of like
also a filmmaker more or less question, which is, I
know clone Wars are recorded together, but do you know
what the source like who decided, No, we're gonna cast
people who are in LA, We're gonna put them in
a room together, We're gonna make this.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Do you know what the genesis of that was?
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Versus like Vanessa you've talked about like, oh, most cartoons
you go in and it's like do five line readings
and it's like the performance is built in editing, like
building off of what Taylor just said. Your guys, it
feels like Rebels was recorded in a way that was
somewhere between live action and animation. Do you know why, Like,
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what was the thought process behind that? Well, at that time,
that was the norm.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
I mean it well, I mean I did Guardians of
the Galaxy at the time, and I think did we
do our show on Thursdays or Tuesdays? I think Guardians
of the Galaxy was Tuesday, and the full cast would
get together every Tuesday from two to six. And I
think before the pandemic that was quite normal. When I
did a Spectacular Spider Man, we all got together at
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the same time. When I did Young Justice, totally.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
All the same.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Really yeah, And so what is unusual is and it
was only video games that would do Okay, you're by yourself. Yeah,
you're in the Jedi Council, but say these lines three
in a row, say this line three in a row.
All right, moving on, like, how in the world is
this ever gonna cut together and mean anything? And then
I'll see clips on YouTube of me in a Jedi
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council with Jennifer Hale going who knew? I don't know
how this happened, but it's as if we were together,
but that I don't know that. The format was so
sort of unique and oh who decided that. I think
that was pretty much the norm up until that point.
(27:26):
When I guessed it on Scooby Doo, everyone was there,
and that was back in like, you know, early two thousands.
You know, Casey Cason was there, like the whole crew, Batman,
Kevin Conry was I walked in the throw Oh my god,
I'm gonna have a stroke. I was like, wait a minute,
what's going on. I was Lipstick Lady number coral, Lipstick
Lady number two. Thank you, thank you very much. But
(27:52):
so I don't know that it was quite as unusual today,
it's almost unheard of. I book cartoons and I'm the
only one who goes to the studio and everyone else
is on zoom and I'm like, guys, what are we doing?
So I don't in my experience, it wasn't necessarily unique.
But I do think that the human beings chosen in
what is a common construct, we're able to bond through
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their work in a way that I've done many cartoons
where that is absolutely not the case.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
That's so interesting because that has not been my experience.
And granted you have a lot more experience in voiceover
world than I do, but I almost I mean, I
worked on Young Justice, and every time I went in,
it would be like a couple people from the cast
that you had the most dialogue with. But it wasn't
like the full cast I worked on, you know, like
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the Simpsons. I was by myself, Robot Chicken, I was
by myself you just go in, you do your lines,
you give them choices, and then you're out of there
and you have no idea like who is even else?
Who else is even in the scene.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
That's normal for guesting. That's normal for guesting. That that
happens a lot if you're not in the core cast.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But our guest stars are with us.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Our guest stars were with us, Yeah, they were, so
that that is unusual.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
But the thing is, oftentimes as the shows get larger.
And also, I'm not sure when your Young Justice was
because we had to finish that in the Pandemic. It
might have been influenced by that. I think I remember
you driving there. Is that the long you had to
choke and dress ill.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
I think I've told a story on this podcast already, right,
I had to. I was my character lives underwater and
she's like she's she's like underwater, And I was like,
how do I make How do I do that? And
I was like, I know, I'll call Vanessa Marshall and
Steve Blue and they both I was like, please help,
(29:44):
I don't know how to do this, and they both
said the exact same thing, because they are experts in
this field, and they were like you take a sip
of water out of a water bottle and you gargle
as you're saying your lines.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And I was like, that's genius.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And everyone was very duly impressed, and I I thank
you for your advice.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Have you been a series regular? Yeah, I've worked that
you were alone?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
It was like, no, No, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I worked on a show called Spirit Writing Free.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It's a great kid show.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
I highly recommend, not just because I'm on it, because
I think it's great, but anyway, yeah, we we record it,
I guess. And this is not to call out this
other show that I was on, but yes, we recorded
more so as a cast. It just didn't It's just
didn't feel the same. So to your point, it was
not just that we were together. It was that we
(30:40):
the five of us were together and our producers and
our writers, and it was like maybe just that was
so synergistic that it made the experience feel different.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I mean, that's almost cooler, right, Oh, everybody does it
used to do it this way. But we were a
group within a group. You know, we were special. We
connected in a way that not everybody does. I mean,
that's even cooler to me.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I mean, I love my spectacular Spider Man cast. I
have not had dinner with any of them, right, I
don't think I could. I don't know what I'd have
to do to accomplish that. Like, I just don't know
that anyone. And there are a lot of Marvel fans,
like we're total Marvel nerds. And you know, Josh Keaton
is forever my perpetual Peter Parker till the day I die,
(31:27):
Like he's the one in my view i'd love. I
just think he's incredible and I can't get him to
return a text to similar No, no, if you know,
I'm not criticizing, I'm just saying, like, you can be
that close. I played Mary Jane, Sure please, Like you know,
I told him face it Tiger and all that and
and no matter how lovely that experience was and it was,
(31:49):
not much remains from it. And I don't know why.
And I don't think it's personal. I think you know,
he has kids, he has a life, and if you
asked him, he'd say, oh, I love Vanessa. It's not
it's not like that. But we have stayed connected in
a way that is remarkable to me. I mean, the
Guardians of the Galaxy was happening at the same time.
(32:09):
I'm friends with several of those people, but we don't.
We don't.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
It's just not like this, So not doing a weekly
podcast with them ten years later.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, No, the reception helps.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
The reception helps the fact that, like people wanted to
meet us at conventions and that like that we've had
those interactions, and that we've done interviews together and that
like that all definitely definitely I think helps keep us.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Close as well.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I agree as you were talking Taylor about that that
like the way we got close was through the work,
because we weren't like hanging out on set between takes,
you know, as you do with on camera work. I
was thinking, like, well, we're lucky because because what we
were doing was Star Wars, and Star Wars has such
(32:58):
a life and such like literally global appeal, and so
we have this kind of incredible opportunity to even though
our show has been off the air for years, that
we get to like go out and travel and meet
fans and interact with those people, but then we also
get to like hang out with each other. That's so
(33:20):
special and I feel like I can I can list
so many projects on camera projects that I've been a
part of, and I'm sort of always kind of end
up as like the social director of any project on
because it's kind of like Taylor, I feel like you
would agree with this. It's kind of like summer camp.
You go shoot a film, everyone's on location, a lot
of you are staying in the same place, so it's
(33:43):
like it's.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's afraid to send the first text, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
And then it's like, guys, we're going to this you know,
let's go to dinner and we're going to this bar afterwards,
and then it all kind of it's like it's like
summer camp, and then you're also just making a movie
at the same time. But and I've had wonderful experiences,
made great friends, and if I maybe we text or
maybe we see each other sporadically, but it's not the same,
(34:09):
and we just have this sort of very special situation
where we like get to keep doing it long after
our show has ended, and I don't know, I'm so
grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, it goes beyond logic, you know, and like you
know it when you see it, and you hope that
that's going to be the experience every time you go in.
But then when it hits like with the three of you,
and then you know with the Rebels cast in general,
it's just like I see it. It's like there's something
synergistic about it. You can't explain it. You can't break
it down with science. You can have every Darwinistic like anthropological,
(34:46):
whatever study you can do, you're not going to find
the defended demand. You just know that this is what
it is. And what's really special about it is you
all know it's special and you're you're you're embracing it.
You're leaning into it, just like your characters lean into
what they need to lean into in the show. There's
a question I want to ask the three of you
because I've always kind of wondered this and I don't
(35:08):
know how timelines always work on animated shows, and I
don't know if it's the same TV shows, But so
if you can take me back to recording this season
one finale, did you know there was going to be
a season two?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And or?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And also like how did you feel getting that season
one to can? Like do you remember what was going
through your mind as you had done this thing? Because
had you seen episodes at that point, Like were you
seen episodes as you were recording season one or was
it the season was done and then you saw it.
I've always wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's what I was going to say, did stuff had
it come out yet?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Because I remember they were pretty you remember they were
pretty like sure about multiple seasons. Like I remember being like,
whenever you finish anything, I've been on enough canceled things.
Now I was like, well, maybe i'll see you guys again,
And Dave was pretty chill about like, as long as
everyone doesn't just come out and burn the show live,
We're okay, right, But I don't remember if stuff had
(36:04):
come out yet.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
No, Well, Vanessa, you tell me if I'm wrong. But
I feel confident, pretty confident that we had finished recording
long before we started doing press, before we ever aired.
We season one was in the can, so then we
just waited, you know, like with baited breath for the
(36:27):
show to actually premiere. And then that's when we started
doing press. We went to our first San Diego comic con.
We did this massive.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I was like, yeah, we're going to say.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, and we were like, wait, what are all these
people doing at this panel? They've not seen one second
of our show? And Yeah, that was my I know
I've said this before on the podcast, but that was
my first inkling of what was to come because I
was like, Oh, they're so nice. They haven't even seen
the show and they're here and they're excited. How nice
(36:57):
of that. That was my first sort of introduction to
Star Wars fans and just how I mean. I always
say Star Wars fans are the best in the world,
bar none. But anyway, so yeah, I think we were
fully done with season one, and I think we knew
that we were going to start a season two. I
(37:19):
don't remember when we started recording. Surely it was after Vanessa.
Was it after we had already aired?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I feel like we started in the Did we start
in May of twenty thirteen?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Oh boy?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Anyway, and I couldn't even tell you the year much
less than a month.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Well, I seem to feel I don't know, for some reason,
I feel like we took a couple months off, like
summer months, and that's when we did you know, we
finished season one. I think we took some time off.
There was never a question. I mean, they had booked
us well in advance for a lot of things, and
I don't remember a ton of time between season one
(38:05):
and season two. I agree, but there was never a
question that there would that we would continue, because I
think initially when we all sat down, if I'm not mistaken,
I think there was like a ten year plan for
the saga in general.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It ended with a pot of rebellions.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Wait really, yeah, but I'm talking about all the content
that came out this, that, the film, and these than that,
and we were a part of that, but we were
not too. We weren't going to exist in the full
ten year plan. We were only maybe like four to
five years of that. That was my understanding. I thought
(38:47):
we were going five seasons. I somehow remember that we
were going to try for five, so that I remember
feeling when we were told that four was.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
The last, I was like, what, Yeah, I was totally
shocked by that. I did not.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
I think we were all very very taken by surprise,
now in the same way Clone Wars was, obviously, but
in our own we expected to continue.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I was easy to be convinceive because I remember Dave
saying like he was like, no, we were always going
to do this, We always.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, So when he said that I was like, oh, yeah,
I guess so well.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
I don't think we were like old or entitled to it,
but I think everyone was sort of figuring out their
grand ten year plan that dealt with content in books,
in movies, in everything. And I mean, I hope I'm
not telling tales out of school to you know, talk
about sort of what they were kind of trying to
sketch out for themselves. But I don't think anywhere in
(39:41):
there was like, well we ever get a season two?
That was never I think as the seasons mounted, it
was sort of like, I'm not sure how much longer
this is going to go on, and you know, we'll
just see how this goes in the context of all
these other things that they're needing to, other stories that
need to be told. And I mean, I don't I
(40:02):
could be wrong, but like if where Rebels ended, it
sort of segued into the theatrical content that they wanted.
So it just sort of we served our purpose within
the narrative for that timeframe. And so maybe they just
figured out a way to finish the story. I don't know,
but I don't remember it being a shock or you know,
(40:28):
I thought we were going to do five seasons for
some reason. But I don't know where I got that.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
No, that's in my brain too vaguely, so I don't know.
Some talk of that yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Either either which way, Uh you know, I was, I mean,
of course, I mean we're not at that season, but
like for Canaan to no longer exist, I was just like,
wait a minute, what is happening. Yeah, there were just
there were a lot of turns. But I mean, we'll
get there when we get there. But but at this point,
it was so much love and enthusiasm and like, I
(41:00):
mean again, I'm the people who are listening can't see.
I've got a Sabine helmet hanging here in my streaming
room that the Mandalorian Merks gave us, and there are
ugly cry photos to demonstrate how I felt about that
at the time. But you know, these all these moments
are collected here in my home and I will cherish
(41:20):
them always, so it kind of lives on in that sense.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I love that. Thank you all so much. I know
is a big ask to have you go into your
own brain archives like ten eleven years, but you know,
the stuff that stuck with you that you shared, now
that's very valuable. So my follow up to that because
looking back and rewatching the show with you all and
then hearing your insights, I'm just like, Wow, the writing
is incredible in the show. Like these scripts. I'll put
these scripts up against any script out there. I don't
(41:48):
care who the writer is, Like, these scripts can go
toe to toe with any script out there. I have
to imagine throughout the course of recording season one, just
like viewers got attached to your characters, I have to
imagine you've got to test your character too, and that
had to have added to the excitement of oh man,
like season two, this is like I can't wait to
see where we go because I feel one of one
(42:09):
with my character now. And you couple that with the
enthusiasm you saw at San Diego Comic Con. I'm sure
that only added to that. So if there's any insight
you can give us into that, I'd love to hear
it because I get attached watching it and I got
reattached rewatching it. I love Trita again. If you can
dig into the archives a ten eleven years, I love
to hear it.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
There's for sure, and ownership like yeah, I mean because
we and Dave and the whole team was really good
about crafting it with us and allowing us to collaborate.
I mean, I remember being like, wait signon Kimberg's writing
on an animated show, what is going on here?
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
It didn't make any sense because I had known some
of the other things that he had done and he's incredible,
and to that, I think the writing was really really good.
But I think that also speaks to the thing you're
talking about. With other shows, especially animated shows, a lot
of times you're coming in, you're playing a pre existing
game character, you know what I mean, which makes sense
that's animated, it is something that many other people have played,
or it's an animal that we already have a connotation of.
(43:10):
We've all seen a bear that you know what I mean.
There's certain things that you're shooting up at. Whereas this
I remember, I mean, there was nothing that I was
amy at except for like, well, we're going to do
our thing here and create a character. And to what
I was saying earlier, I've been on notugh things that
are canceled after a season or two. That just the
idea that we were going to develop something and have
(43:31):
different arcs, and you were going to see so many
different sides of the same person was so special and
unique because if we just saw season one Ezra, for example,
salpsistically speaking, like, it's not the same. There's so much
more of the iceberg that's underwater that you need to
keep going. And I think that happens with a lot
(43:52):
of characters out there, that we don't see everything that
was necessarily planned for them, just because maybe an audience
and respond to it. Whatever it was with this, I
don't know like it there is this sort of symbiotic thing.
And also the fact that it was animated. I think
I wanted more of me in it than when it's
on camera. I'm kind of doing the opposite. I want
(44:14):
less of me because I see me there. It's a
weird sort of philosophical thing. I haven't really thought of
as much, but I know I was doing that because
you're trying to pull yourself away when you're just seeing
yourself on camera. But this I was like, no, I
need to imprint more because I mean, who knows what's
going to show up there? And so yeah, I mean
I feel so closely bonded. It's like one and the same.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
I guess.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
I felt such a kinship with Sabine like right away,
also just because she's the coolest and so I felt
like I want to be her. You know, she's aspirational
and inspirational, and so I like, yeah, like ownership can
(44:58):
sound like what you mean in the sense that like
that she she kind of we like developed together right
like she and And also I remember Dave telling me
that he Sabine was the least fleshed out character when
like when we joined that he hadn't quite like figured
(45:21):
her out or sort of fleshed out her story as much,
and so we kind of got to do that together.
He allowed me to do that with him, which was
such an honor. But also I think just personally speaking,
season one, a lot of that was me like not
knowing what I was doing and hoping that no one
was on to me that I was an on camera
(45:43):
actor that didn't really know how to do this. Taylor,
I feel like you and I have had many conversations
about that. I was just basically trying to like not
get found out and fired, and so it was I
think going into season two, I'm sure felt like a
relief because I had felt so so bonded with my
character from the jump, but also there was this like
(46:06):
kind of imposter syndrome, you know, at the beginning of
the show, because you know, you walk you I was
gonna say, walk on the set, walk into the sound
booth with the likes of Vanessa Marshall and Steve Bloom
and Freddie and then you've got like guest stars.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
You and I were in the same boat. We're but
like do they know, like do they are they onto us?
Speaker 7 (46:32):
And honestly not that I say very many nice things
about Taylor when he can hear me, but it was
so kind of a relief or just a comfort to
sort of be in this crazy situation with Taylor because
we have like these prolific, insanely talented voiceover kings and
(46:54):
queens and then we're.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Both like what is the right? How do we is this?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
You know?
Speaker 7 (47:00):
And so it was nice to kind of have a
have a buffer in Taylor. But that's the That's the
only nice thing I'm going to say for this. I'll
take I will find something else nice to say about
you later.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Maybe maybe a cliffhanger. Vanessa, how about you in terms
of just growing with your character and all that good stuff.
Speaker 9 (47:20):
Well, it's hilarious to me that you guys thought you
were going to get fired because you were Oh my,
that is insane to me, because you were both so
impeccably good at this and I can remember seeing being
you know, animated and hearing your voice and it just
where it landed with the art was just it was
so it was just perfect, like no one would.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Ever fire you ever, like never thank you that that.
I don't know. I just yeah, I've told you. I
felt very much a kinship with the cast, and that
I am built to, you know, sort of walk into
situations like that. Perhaps as an only child, I have
(48:03):
a number of tribes that I belonged to in a
certain way, and this was like yet another very special
one that of course was in alignment with my Star
Wars fandom. And you know, my heart just cracked open
and I felt my purpose. I felt useful, I felt stimulated.
I felt just overjoyed to be in the room and
(48:23):
a part of great storytelling. And that's all I ever
wanted to do with my life. So I felt very
at home. Finally at home.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I love that so much. And what a great way
to wrap up are one of two of our season
one recap of Star Wars Rebels. And look, there's so
much more we can uncover, and I feel like we're
discovering this each and every week, which we're just putting
this out there everybody. We want to eventually do live shows.
We want to be there like boots on the ground
with you all. So look, if there's stuff we don't
get to on the podcast, guess what we'll get to
(48:52):
it in the live shows where you can just ask
us face to face all these things. So there's more
to uncover and we will uncover it. But that's going
to wrap up Part one of two of our season
one recap of Star Wars Rebels. We have part two
coming up next week with a very special guest joined us.
You could say from the high ground, that's all I'm
gonna say. Who knows who it's going to be. You
(49:14):
just got to stay tuned and find out. But until then,
thank you everybody for supporting us. More episodes of come in.
You can write to us Potter Rebelling Podcast at gmail
dot com, rate subscribe all that good stuff. But until then, Taylor,
you want to get us out of here.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Curving music.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
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